updated 12/7/2005 10:18:47 AM ET 2005-12-07T15:18:47

Guests: Todd Wallace, Dan McCann, Shar Jackson, Raoul Felder, Jill Robbins, Patti LaBelle, Denise Rich, Lauren Harris, David Hans Schmidt, Pat Cooper, Dennis Hof

BILLY BUSH, GUEST HOST:  Good evening.  I‘m Billy Bush, filling in while Rita‘s on assignment.  Tonight: The new breed of Paparazzi are at it again, hoping to make a quick buck for a cheap shot.  Their victim this time is actress Jennifer Aniston.  She‘s suing a photographer for taking a topless photo of her from a mile away and trying to sell it to celebrity magazines.  In the suit obtained by The Smoking Gun, Aniston‘s lawyers say she was in the privacy of her own home.  And they go on to say the photo could only be taken, quote, “through invasive, intrusive and unlawful measures.”  And the question a lot of people are asking is, Have the paparazzi gone too far?

Joining me live is Dan McCann, a former paparazzo who now provides security for the stars.  He‘s basically, like, anti-paparazzi.  And we‘re also joined by Todd Wallace, the photographer got into a little bit of a scuffle with actress Reese Witherspoon that has landed him in a bit of legal hot water.

Let me start off with you.  Todd, is a picture of Jennifer Aniston taken from a mile away of her topless in her backyard—is that fair game?

TODD WALLACE, PAPARAZZO:  I believe it is so.  I mean, anything that you can see from a public area, and if you can see a celebrity‘s home from a public area and the celebrity happens to be in their home and you‘re on a public access, it‘s fair game, yes.

BUSH:  Yes, but through a massive—I mean, a mile away?  That‘s a telephoto lens.  That‘s like a telescope.  It‘s huge.  That is—wouldn‘t you consider that to be trespassing?

WALLACE:  I wouldn‘t consider it.  It could be that the photographer was walking towards the area of her house, and she happened to be on—giving (ph) the story (ph) at that particular moment, and he decided inside...

BUSH:  Wait, wait, wait, wait.  Walking toward the area of her house?  But we‘re talking about a mile away.  I mean, you can be walking towards somebody‘s house a mile away, but you‘re still a mile away.  I mean, you‘re not really in their neighborhood.

WALLACE:  What would be the difference if he was a mile away or if he was 100 feet away?  Where‘s the line...

BUSH:  The difference is that you can see it with the naked eye.  And the difference is what you can see with the naked eye would be considered, I think, more appropriately fair game.  But you know, using a telescope—that‘s like, you know, using an X-ray.  I mean, it‘s going through walls.  A mile is a long way, and people should be, you know, safe from that, don‘t you think?

WALLACE:  Each story has its exact definition.  I wasn‘t there at the exact moment the picture was taken.  I know that if I was taking the picture, I would present myself in a much closer area so I could get a much higher quality picture.  When you take a picture with a long lens a mile away, the quality of the picture goes down dramatically.

BUSH:  Real quickly, Todd, how much would a photo like that—how much, if somebody bought that, would that picture sell for, do you think, Jennifer topless?

WALLACE:  Jennifer topless?  It‘s going to produce somewhere in the range of anywhere from $500,000 to $1 million, depending what publications publish it.  If it‘s just going to be—if it‘s just going to be published in European magazines, then it‘s going to be in the low $300,000 area.  If it‘s going to be published in American magazines, then it‘s going to go up dramatically.

BUSH:  And you wonder why in the last five years, the amount of paparazzi shooting photographs has gone right through the roof.  There‘s, you know, hundreds and hundreds now.  The competition is stiff.

Joining us also is Dan McCann.  He‘s a former paparazzo himself, and now he‘s—Dan, I guess you‘re kind of like the anti-paparazzi, aren‘t you?  You‘re kind of like the Hell‘s Angels.  Your job is to chase these guys and get them away.  You‘re hired by the stars, correct?


BUSH:  I know you can‘t mention, you know, who your clients are, but you know, how—what kind of money are you getting paid to do this?  And are you having much success?

MCCANN:  My partner and I are getting paid an hourly wage comparable to our law enforcement days.  And our success, I think, is—each day, we‘re getting better and better at it, and we‘re gaining more information.

BUSH:  What do you think about this photograph of Jennifer Aniston?  I mean, taken topless.  She‘s in her backyard.  Todd says it‘s totally fair.  I mean, there she is in her—even though it‘s taken from a mile away, and used, you know, quite an intrusive lens.  Do you think that that‘s fair game?

MCCANN:  No, I don‘t.  I believe the photograph taken by Peter Brandt (ph) was a clear violation of her privacy.  The technology today for these lenses up to 1,000 feet of crystal-clear image and elevate (ph) yourself is, in my mind and my partner‘s mind, a clear violation of her privacy.

BUSH:  Have you and Todd ever crossed paths?  Dan, do you know Todd Wallace?  And Todd, do you know of Dan?  And have you guys seen each other out there?  How do you feel about each other?  Go ahead, Todd.  You first.

WALLACE:  I‘ve never had a personal experience with this gentleman before.  I‘ve heard of his reputation on distorting photographers, what the exact reality is.  But he has his job, and as long as he conducts himself in a lawful manner, I respect what he does.

BUSH:  Dan, is it going to be ugly out there?  I mean, have you gotten, you know, rough with some of these photographers?

MCCANN:  Well, we set the guidelines for the paparazzi, and then they must to act (ph), on our behalf, as far as security for our client, is mandatory.  And with Mr. Wallace, I‘ve never met the gentleman.  However, some day, I think I will.

BUSH:  Oh, oh, oh!  Oh, treat each other nice.  Thank you very much, Dan MCann.  Thank you, Todd.

Todd, you know, one final thought here is, you know, people like to be liked by celebrities.  (INAUDIBLE) feel good.  People like to know who celebrities are, and then when they, you know, get the attention from them, it feels kind of cool.  They hate you.  Does that ever—I mean, does that bum you out at all, that you‘re a guy that‘s kind of vilified in Hollywood?

WALLACE:  Well, all the A-listers hate us because what—they‘ve already made it now.  B-lister and C-lister celebrities, they proposition us to take their picture.

BUSH:  Have you ever—has a publicist to a star ever called and you said, Here‘s where my star‘s going to be, come take a picture of them?

WALLACE:  Absolutely.  Absolutely.

BUSH:  Oh, yes?  Can you name a name?

WALLACE:  Dozens of times.  And I won‘t do that because...

BUSH:  Name a name.  I would love—you got to name a name for me. 


WALLACE:  What the problem with that is I‘m revealing a source, and those sources aren‘t going to produce any more stories for me if I do reveal them.  So...

BUSH:  All right, Todd.

WALLACE:  ... that‘s the problem with that.

BUSH:  All right, Todd.  Thank you very much.

There‘s so much money at stake.  There is—the amount of dollars that are being offered for some of these pictures is amazing.  And what about the folks who buy these photographs?  What standards do they have?  I recently sat down with one top tabloid executive to ask her that very question.


(voice-over):  Bonnie Fuller has changed the way the game is played.  She ran “US Weekly” and made them a virtual photo album, then left to take over “Star” magazine and “Celebrity Living.”

BONNIE FULLER, MAGAZINE EDITOR:  We‘ve always had a policy at American Media and at “Star” magazine to never buy photos that were taken in any manner that would have endangered anybody.

BUSH (on camera):  How would you know?

FULLER:  You can tell if a photo was taken in motion, if it looks like it was taken from a moving vehicle.  You can certainly tell if somebody‘s taken a—like, a long-range photo onto someone‘s yacht and they‘re sunbathing topless and...

BUSH:  You can‘t tell if they ran a light of if they almost hit an old lady before they pulled over and said,  Hey, and the girl turned, and boom, took a picture.

FULLER:  We also have very close relationships with paparazzi agencies and have expressed our concern about this situation.

BUSH (voice-over):  According to Ms. Fuller, “Star” magazine‘s policy includes, one, they will not buy long-lens pictures taken by paparazzi trying to look into celebrities‘ homes.  And two, they will not purchase pictures of celebrities‘ children taken without parents or a caregiver present.

(on camera):  You know, I‘ve had celebrities say to me, and I‘ve got them on camera, somebody‘s going to die from some kind of a paparazzi chase or something.  Because you regularly buy photos from paparazzi, do you—would you accept any culpability or would you feel any culpability if something like that were to happen ever?


That was an interesting conversation I had with Bonnie, and actually, we sat there for about three minutes before she answered that question.

It is something to think about for sure.  And joining us to talk more about the business of selling paparazzi pix is David Hans Schmidt, celebrity photo broker.  David, how easy would it be for you right now to sell the Jennifer Aniston topless photos that have been taken?

DAVID HANS SCHMIDT, CELEBRITY PHOTO BROKER:  Well, quickly, a real shout out to you.  (INAUDIBLE) club here in Phoenix.  You can‘t miss it. 

It‘s in the Biltmore Fashion  (ph) Park, fellows.  It‘s next to

Christomer‘s (ph) Premiere Brassiere (ph).

Now, that said, let me—let me—let me speed up here, Billy, because these guys are way off base.  First of all, the Jennifer Aniston pictures are worth zero because they‘re already on the World Wide Web.  If they weren‘t on the World Wide Web, I‘m the best broker in the business, and I would sell them anywhere between $500,000 to $1.5 million, depending on how I could hold the men‘s (ph) majors (ph) over a barrel and how fast I could get to market with them, hoping that nobody else has chromes, negatives, slides or any other images pertaining to these exact images that were in the hands of this photographer.

Now, (INAUDIBLE) to the point of—and here‘s the best example I can give you.  In 1976, Larry Flynt made history in “Hustler” by having Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis impetuously walk out and pick up the newspaper from her villa butt-naked, OK?  Now, if you‘re that dumb, Jennifer Aniston, to walk outside naked, I‘m that smart to get the pictures and broker them!

BUSH:  Yes, but I mean, would any magazine—if they weren‘t on the World Wide Web, is there a magazine that would buy these?  Because they‘re very invasive photographs and I think constitute trespassing a little bit, don‘t you?

SCHMIDT:  No, no.  They don‘t.  Now, let me tell you why it doesn‘t because I know the law.  These guys before you don‘t.  The 14th Amendment is very clear.  The invasion of privacy protects you.  But it stops as soon as you walk out of your house.  And again, if Jennifer—if Jennifer Aniston or any A-list celebrity or any of us is impetuous enough to walk outside naked, you give up that right to privacy.  The privacy right protects you in the docile—the domesticity of your own home, and it stops as soon as you walk past the threshold, Billy.

BUSH:  Well, you know what?  I‘ve got a daughter who‘s growing up.  I want to introduce her to you someday.  I think she‘d be wonderful...

SCHMIDT:  I got two daughters, brother!

BUSH:  Really?


BUSH:  You‘re also selling the Colin Farrell sex tape.  Are you finding many bidders for that one?

SCHMIDT:  Well, we‘re in litigation with that rascal Marty Singer (ph) over in LA right now, and we got some depositions forthcoming here pretty soon, so that‘s all going to play itself out in the court.  But we have a pretty good feeling that the law is on side on this one, too, given the rights of the other participant.

BUSH:  David, good luck in your endeavors.  Thank you very much, man.

SCHMIDT:  Thank you, sir.  You bet.

BUSH:  Soulful superstar Patti Labelle is working to help Hurricane Katrina victims.  She will join me live and tell me how, and that is not all.  Take a look.

Still ahead: Is this Howard Stern‘s biggest shock yet?


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Well, tell me what you‘re—what you‘re interested in (INAUDIBLE)


BUSH:  Find out how the king of morning talk is bringing the private parts of America‘s most famous brothel to a radio near you.  Plus, his Sirius decision to go satellite only.

And has love turned toxic for Britney Spears and husband Kevin Federline, or is she willing to let him be her baby one more time?  Ooh!  Kevin‘s ex-flame, actress Shar Jackson, joins me live.

And is this America‘s hottest girl next door?  The newest FHM “it” girl tells me how she became a cover girl.  It‘s steamy, and it‘s coming up LIVE AND DIRECT.



HOWARD STERN, RADIO HOST:  This marks the death of AM and FM radio, I guarantee it, death to broadcast radio, death to Clear Channel.  This is the end.  The new beginning has arrived.


BUSH:  The new beginning has arrived.  Shock jock radio host Howard Stern is making a make-or-break move.  Stern‘s new deal sets him up with Sirius satellite radio for a cool $500 million over the next five years.  He sat down with my colleague, “Today” show host, Katie Couric, to talk about the new move.


KATIE COURIC, CO-HOST:  Is it going to have sort of the same, sort of risky tension that your show had before?

STERN:  I‘ve heard so many people say, You need the government clamping down on you to be outrageous.  And early in my career, I didn‘t have the government clamping down on me, and the fact of the matter is, that was my best radio.  That‘s the radio that got me the highest ratings.  That‘s the radio that put me on the map.  And now, even in looking at this, I‘m shocked when people say to me, You need censorship in order to be funny.

I‘m not coming on satellite just so I can say the “F” word.  You know, that‘s never been my scene.  That‘s not what I‘m about.  I‘m all about the language of fun.  If it‘s fun, we do it.

COURIC:  A lot of your shtick was sort of the poor, repressed, sex-crazed guy who was sort of flirting with the hot women and kept to this sort of closet lascivious side—maybe not so closeted.  Do you give any credence, though, Howard to people who say, OK, we can‘t relate to him as much, now that he‘s dating a supermodel and going clubbing all the time?

STERN:  Well, it‘s funny to me...

COURIC:  is there anything...

STERN:  Anyone who‘s really in my audience would know, my show has always been about whatever is going on in my life.  The sad fact is, I‘ve got—you know, I‘m trapped inside of me, and I don‘t go out at all.  That‘s why I am shocked that you go out during the week.  You‘re probably out there clubbing.


STERN:  I‘m not clubbing.

COURIC:  I‘m not!

STERN:  I go to bed at 8:00 o‘clock at night.  I never go out during the week. And I‘m in psychotherapy four days a week, pretty heavy commitment to it.

COURIC:  Seriously?

STERN:  Yes.


STERN:  And I think I can now own up...

COURIC:  That‘s a lot of...

STERN:  It is.  It‘s a lot...

COURIC:  That‘s a lot of psych...

STERN:  Well, there‘s a lot of problems up here.


STERN:  I mean, come on, look at me!

It‘s a whole new universe, and I see myself as a content provider, that we have television programming now uncensored and we have radio programming uncensored, and the two will merge, and I think it‘s going to be...

COURIC:  And you‘re going to take over the world!

STERN:  I‘m going to take over the world.  And everyone watch out. 

You‘re in big trouble.


BUSH:  He‘s certainly not afraid to tell it like it is.  Stern‘s jump into satellite raid won‘t curb his enthusiasm for the raunchy and fun-filled segments.  The censorship-free platform is going to fuel it.

Let‘s talk now with comedian Pat Cooper.  Pat‘s been a regular on Howard‘s show through the years.  He‘s even had his own arguments with the radio shock jock.  How do you think Stern‘s move to satellite is going to play out for him?  Can he get any rougher, raunchier than he already is?

PAT COOPER, COMEDIAN:  The man is a giant, and he‘ll be a bigger giant.  There‘s no stopping this man.  He‘s one of a kind.  He‘s an icon.  I get my kicks when I see those who did not want him around are now kissing him and hugging him.  Man‘s a half-a-billion-dollar man.  He has a talent and he‘s a one of a kind.  And all of a sudden—all of a sudden that he‘s going on pay radio, they‘re making him special.  He was special all the time.  He‘s a very bright man.

BUSH:  Pat, you‘re hugging him and kissing him right now.  This is the man you once said was a miserable man, if he saw somebody needing attention on the side of the road, he‘d pass him, that his wife would leave him.  You don‘t like him, do you?

COOPER:  Listen to me.  When I did his show, everything was on the table.  If I had something to say to him, I said it.  If he had something to say to me, he said it.  That‘s why we respected each other.

BUSH:  Is he a miserable man?


BUSH:  Is he a miserable man underneath it all?

COOPER:  No.  A miserable man?  Is that what you said to me?

BUSH:  Yes, a miserable man is what you said before.  Do you...

COOPER:  No.  The man is not a miserable man.  He‘s one of a kind.  He is Howard Stern.  I don‘t know how he is privately.  I don‘t socialize with him.  I never socialize with him.  On that show, on radio, the man was a master.  He got away with anything he said.  People hated him.  People don‘t want to be a part of him.  But meanwhile, everybody was fighting to sponsor his show.

I mean, today, you want to talk about your reality shows, gangsters getting their own show—nobody speaks about that.  They‘re still after this guy, and he keeps getting more money, more money and bigger.  His show will go through the roof.  Mark what I tell you.

BUSH:  You guys split, right?  I mean, he kicked you off your show or you left his show.  Will you ever go back on the new—the new satellite...

COOPER:  Listen, there‘s a misconception here that I hate this man. 

That‘s a lie.  I never hated him.  I...

BUSH:  Will you ever go back on?

COOPER:  I took a powder from the show because I thought it was enough.  I thought when he got rid of Jack Martling (ph), (INAUDIBLE) hurt for Jack because I love Jack Martling.  I thought when he was starting to fight with Open Anthony (ph), who (ph) mean nothing.  He made those people giants for no reason at all.  I finally said to myself, Where‘s this guy‘s ego gone?  Let me back away for a while.  If he wants me on the show, I‘ll go back and say hello.  Absolutely.  Absolutely.

BUSH:  All right, well, you guys can have a big nice hug.  You predicted, though, his wife, Alison, would leave him.  Do you think his new girlfriend, Beth, who‘s a beautiful model...

COOPER:  I think so.

BUSH:  ... will leave him, too?

COOPER:  Listen, nobody thought that this woman would leave him.  He didn‘t even think, and I think he was shocked.  I said about Geraldo Rivera on his show, I said Geraldo Rivera‘s wife would leave him.  They all made fun of me.  She left him.  I mean, this is the kind of talk we used to have on his show.

BUSH:  Pat?  Pat?  Will my wife leave me?  Just tell me that.

COOPER:  Your wife‘s leaving Thursday.


BUSH:  Thank you, man.  Take care.  Pat Cooper, I hope to see you back on Stern or hear you or...

COOPER:  Happy holiday.  I‘d love to be back on just to say hello. 

Thanks for having me on.

BUSH:  OK, man.  Everybody should make amends.

Stern has revealed new details about his upcoming radio show, and he‘s promised to be filthier than ever.  One regular segment called “Confessions From the Bunny Ranch” will give listeners an earful, coming directly out of the Nevada brothel.

Joining us now live is the owner of the Bunny Ranch himself, the legendary Dennis Hof.  Dennis, welcome to the show.  Thank you very much for being here.  How does this work?  I mean, guys walk into the brothel, and they normally, you know, negotiate for service, but this time, they‘re miked up.  Do they get a discount for that?

DENNIS HOF, BUNNY RANCH BROTHEL OWNER:  You bet.  They should.  You know, first of all, if your wife leaves you, you get a pass to the Bunny Ranch, Billy.  We‘re take you into—what Howard‘s going to do is have some of his listeners come in and have them miked up and be able to hear the whole experience, from the time they get in the limo at the airport...

BUSH:  The whole...

HOF:  ... arrive there, meet—meet...

BUSH:  The whole experience?

HOF:  Yes, the whole experience—sit around the bar, talking to the girls.  And when they‘re in the room, they‘re going to be miked up and you‘re going to hear everything that happens in that room.  And only Howard Stern could do it.

BUSH:  What‘s the most exciting part of the visit?  Is it the negotiation with the girls—because, what, they keep 50 percent, so the higher they offer the service, the more money they get—or the actual action?

HOF:  I think it‘s the action.  You‘re going to hear some stuff going

on in there that‘s going to be real crazy.  And it‘s—you know, it‘s more

it‘s about freedom of speech to me.  And I think the Bunny Ranch should give a copy of the 1st Amendment and a satellite radio to—Sirius radio to everybody because this is about freedom of speech.  Howard—if you‘re a Howard listener, you should be able to enjoy it and not have to worry about people taking him off the air.

BUSH:  This is a tremendous business opportunity, I would say, for you.  And I got to say, I would never go and endorse, you know, something like this, but I would say it makes great business sense for those who are in the business.  I mean, it seems like a pretty good deal.  Do you plan to make out like a bandit on this?

HOF:  Absolutely.  You know, it gives us exposure.  It gives the Bunny Ranch exposure.  We‘ve been there 50 years.  It tells people we‘re there.  And it‘s going to be great content.  Twenty-four hours a day, you‘ll be able to turn on your radio and hear what is going on with some of Howard‘s listeners in there, partying and having the time of their life.  And that‘s going to entice people to come there and be a part of the Bunny Ranch scene.

BUSH:  Are the girls excited about it?

HOF:  The girls are real excited.  We‘re all going to be there.  Thirty of the girls are going to be there next Friday in New York City.  I hope you‘re there, Billy.  We‘re going to be there for the march from Howard‘s old studio...

BUSH:  And by the way...

HOF:  ... to the new one.

BUSH:  ... if I‘m there, it‘ll be with a hat tucked down low and a little mustache on.  You won‘t be able to notice me.  But hey, I know you‘re naming a room at the ranch after Howard.  It‘s the Howard Stern suite.  Will you also be choosing a Tucker Carlson suite?

HOF:  Well, you know, the girls love Tucker, by the way, and—but you know, there should be one, absolutely.  If Tucker wants to come there and party, we‘re inviting him right now.

BUSH:  All right, Dennis.  Dennis, thank you very much.

HOF:  Thank you, Billy.

BUSH:  See you at the ranch, big guy.

HOF:  See you at the Bunny Ranch.

BUSH:  Still ahead:  Patti Labelle joins me live in the studio with how she and Grammy-nominated songwriter Denise Rich are trying to help victims of Hurricane Katrina.

And next: Is it really over for Britney Spears and the father of her children?  Kevin Federline‘s ex, Shar Jackson, a star in her own right, joins me next.  She is proof that there is life after K-Fed.  There she is.  Stay tuned.


BUSH:  Is it really over for Britney Spears and the father of her new baby?  One year ago today, Britney Spears stepped out with her new husband, Kevin Federline, at the Billboard Awards in Vegas.  Today, reports are everywhere that she not only has kicked him out of the house, but get this, she had his $200,000 Ferrari towed away.  Is it a case from bad to worse?  Well, if it is over, we‘ve got proof tonight that there is a lot of life after love with K-Fed.

The mother of his 3-year-old girl and 1-year-old son, Shar Jackson,

joins me live.  Shar, what do you make of all of this?  Britney and Kevin -

are they split?  Is he out?  Is the Ferrari gone?

SHAR JACKSON, ACTRESS:  I don‘t know.  I saw pictures of the Ferrari, though, on line, but I don‘t—I mean, I don‘t know what‘s going on with them, Billy.

BUSH:  I mean, how—you talk to Kevin, though, don‘t you?  I mean, you‘ve always said he‘s a wonderful guy, I love him...


JACKSON:  He‘s a great dad.  I love him to death.  And I talk to him all the time.  You know, we have kids, so we‘re going to keep in touch, you know?  But we—I don‘t discuss their relationship, you know what I mean?  It‘s just, as far as I‘m concerned, it‘s not my business.  I don‘t want to know.  I don‘t care to know, you know?  And I‘m trying to just move on with my life and take care of my kids and keep smiling.

BUSH:  When was the last time you spoke to Kevin?

JACKSON:  Probably the day I got my kids from him.  So it was probably like a week ago.

BUSH:  A week ago?  I mean—and did—what do you say?  How‘s life? 

How are things going?  I mean, you know, Are you still in the house?

JACKSON:  I say, Hey, you know what?  It‘s great to see you.  How are the babies?  Are they good?  Great.  Give me my kids.  And I‘ll talk to you later.

BUSH:  Is he a misunderstood guy, do you think?  Because you have said he‘s a wonderful dad and you will always love him.  On paper, he looks like a pretty bad dad.  I mean, not a guy that really gets the Dad of the Year award.  Well, who‘s—which way do we go here?

JACKSON:  Put it this way.  I know him, you don‘t.


JACKSON:  So who do you believe, you know?  It‘s—I don‘t know.  I think he‘s a great dad.  You know, his kids think he‘s a great dad.  And pretty much to me, that‘s all that matters, you know?

BUSH:  Does he give—is he active on the child support thing?

JACKSON:  I‘m not a child support-type of person.  All I really care about is that he‘s there for his kids.

BUSH:  You‘re letting K-Fed off the hook...

JACKSON:  You‘re letting K-Fed off the hook!

BUSH:  ... on the child support...


JACKSON:  You know what, Billy?  I don‘t know if you know this about me, but Mama has her own money, so I‘m OK.

BUSH:  Yes.

JACKSON:  You know what I mean?

BUSH:  But I mean, doesn‘t Mama want more?  I mean...

JACKSON:  No.  I‘m not a material type of person like that, so it‘s not really important to me.

BUSH:  But—the word is—I mean, and, you know, this is all...

JACKSON:  What‘s the word?  Tell me the word, Billy.

BUSH:  Here‘s the word from Papa to Mama.  The word is, is that she gets—she‘s upset with Kevin for smoking pot in the house.  And I‘m guessing he didn‘t pick up the habit in the last year.  So I mean, is he a big pot smoker in  the house?  Was he smoking pot with you in the house?

JACKSON:  I‘m not a pot smoker, and I don‘t have that around myself or my children.  So that‘s a negative.

BUSH:  But was he—was he smoking it in the house with you?  And does he love the pot?

JACKSON:  Billy, what part of “I don‘t have that stuff around my house” do you not get?


JACKSON:  No, I—we‘ve—never.  Not around my house, ever.

BUSH:  Would it surprise you - would it surprise you if he was booted out of the house for having pot-smoking buddies lingering around? 

JACKSON:  I don‘t see, you know, him or Britney being the type of people to just let people linger around house.  So, you know, I don‘t know how much truth there is to that story. 

BUSH:  You and Britney have a lot in common.  You are both mothers to his children.  So I wonder, you know, do you speak with her on the phone?  Do you have a relationship with her?  Do you ever talk to her?

JACKSON:  You know, I talk to her, say hi, check on her to see how she‘s doing.  You know?  I‘m cool like that. 

BUSH:  I mean if, you know, they were to split up, God forbid, because I‘m going to tell you something, any marriage that splits up is bad news...

JACKSON:  Any relationship that splits up is bad news so, you know... 

BUSH:  I mean, if they were to split, would she continue to see her children or would you cut her off? 

JACKSON:  She loves my kids, you know what I mean?  And if they all decide that they want to continue a relationship, then that‘s fine.  I don‘t have a problem with that. 

BUSH:  You don‘t mind if she takes them for a weekend, even if Kevin isn‘t around? 

JACKSON:  Well, I don‘t know about the taking anybody for a weekend thing, but we can all get together and, you know, have a play-date.  There‘s a lot of kids involved now, play-dates.  That‘s what we do now. 


BUSH:  Right.  Listen, Shar, what are you doing with your life?  You‘ve got a CD coming out, don‘t you?  You‘re going to make an appearance on the “Bernie Mac Show.”  You‘re a beautiful woman, Shar. 

JACKSON:  You know, baby, I‘m just trying to stay busy.  You know what I mean?  I got kids to take care of, so I got to work.  But... 


BUSH:  I mean, you‘ve got to make money because, you know, Kevin doesn‘t have to give you any child support. 

JACKSON:  No, stop it.  I need to make money because I like to make money and I like to take care of my own kids. 


So, you know, I‘m working—huh?

BUSH:  You‘re going to do—you‘ve got a CD in the works? 

JACKSON:  Yes, baby, working on my album.  Hopefully the single‘s going to drop in February.  I‘m really excited about that.  The Bernie Mac thing went fabulous.  I did a guest star spot on that.  And what else?  What else?  Oh, my show on ABC, excited about that.  And I lost my earpiece.

BUSH:  Tell us about the show. 

JACKSON:  But, let‘s see, what else?  Oh, and my cosmetic line.  I have a cosmetic line coming out in February, as well, so February is a big month for me. 

BUSH:  Shar...

JACKSON:  It‘s huge. 

BUSH:  ... listen, you‘re a moneymaking machine.  Britney Spears obviously has a lot of money.  I mean, were you supporting Federline before Britney was supporting Federline? 

JACKSON:  I wasn‘t supporting him.  I mean, we—I like to take care of my own stuff in my house.  That‘s just the type of person that I am. 

I‘m just real big on that.  You know, that‘s the way my mom raised me.  It‘s never to be the one to walk around and go, “Oh, somebody can throw me out of anywhere.”  I‘m not about that.  So I like to take care of things like that.  I‘m a Virgo, so I‘m nice and responsible, you know? 

BUSH:  He left you when you were pregnant with...

JACKSON:  That he did. 

BUSH:  ... when you were pregnant with your second child.  And he left you, and he moved on.  And you say all the time, you know, he‘s a wonderful guy.  I love him, all of these things. 

Really?  I mean, really?  Aren‘t you—do you want him back?  Why are you so optimistic and so supportive of Kevin? 

JACKSON:  I‘m optimistic and supportive because that‘s the way my mom raised me.  You know what I mean?  Life is way too short to be bitter, and angry, and hateful, and all of that stuff.  It‘s just—it‘s not worth it, you know? 

BUSH:  Would you like to see Britney and Kevin...

JACKSON:  And, you know, he‘s the father of my kids, you know what I mean?  And I know what it‘s like to grow up without having a dad around.  And I would never want to put my kids through that. 

BUSH:  Would you like to see them work it out together or would you like to see, maybe, them split and Kevin come home to Mama? 

JACKSON:  Oh, stop it.  No, I mean, you know what?  They should work it out.  They‘re married, and, you know, they have a new baby.  They need to try and work it out. 

BUSH:  Well, listen, huge thanks, Shar.  You are a pro.  Thank you very much.  You‘re a beautiful woman and a lovely catch.  I‘m going to tell you something, I mean, the man who gets—are you dating now? 

JACKSON:  I‘m not dating yet, no.  I‘m not really ready to date yet. 

BUSH:  Well, by the time you leave the studio, you‘re going to have people petitioning you.  You‘re a hot mama.

JACKSON:  I love you, Billy.

BUSH:  I‘m calling you Mama from now on.  I like that, Mama.

JACKSON:  OK, fine.


BUSH:  See you, Mama.

JACKSON:  All right, baby. 


BUSH:  Thank you.

All right, let me bring in two people who have dealt extensively with celebrities and their splits.  Judge Jill Robbins is a retired private divorce judge who‘s presided over the Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston divorce, as well as the Alec Baldwin and Kim Basinger split.

We also have celebrity divorce attorney Raoul Felder, who has represented David Gest against Liza Minnelli and Robin Givens in her divorce to Mike Tyson.

Thank you both for coming on.

I got to think, Judge Jill, if Britney and Kevin split up, how much of a chance does Kevin have to spend much quality time with these children, do you think? 

JUDGE JILL ROBBINS, PRIVATE DIVORCE JUDGE:  You know, I really hate to comment on cases that I know nothing about.  I don‘t know anything about him as a father.  If he‘s an involved father, he‘ll have just as good of a chance as anybody to spend time with his child. 

BUSH:  With California law, I mean, what—is it in favor of fathers...

ROBBINS:  California...

BUSH:  ... or is it pretty much stacked against him? 

ROBBINS:  It‘s pretty much neutral.  It promotes frequent and continuing contact between a child and the parents.  So, depending on what kind of parent he is will depend upon what kind of time he spends. 

BUSH:  And, Raoul, you know, I think Britney learned her lesson the hard way.  She had a 55-hour marriage to Jason Alexander.  They got married in Vegas. 

I mean, it was like a little bit—it was like rope-a-dope in a way, because, you know, the guy, all of a sudden, he was probably still hung over and, next thing you know, he‘s signing a pre-nup, probably kissed away $40 million or a lot of money, because, all of a sudden, he‘s signed this thing and he‘s out of a nice settlement.

But, you know, you‘re looking at—Britney probably has a prenuptial agreement now.  There‘s a story about Nick and Jessica that they don‘t have a pre-nup.  Does that shock you? 

RAOUL FELDER, DIVORCE ATTORNEY:  Well, yes.  I mean today, if two celebrities get married, they don‘t have a pre-nup, they ought to see a psychiatrist and not a lawyer, because otherwise it‘s nightmare world. 

BUSH:  But, I mean, it‘s so sad.  I mean, when you sit down with your clients and you hand them, you know, the prenuptial agreement, don‘t you feel as you‘re doing it like you‘re handing them a contract for divorce? 

FELDER:  Hey, Billy, it‘s sad, but what‘s worse than a divorce where you‘re fighting over kids, you‘re fighting over money, you‘re paying lawyers, you‘re getting accountants in your business, your life is an open book, the tabloids get a hold of you.  Compared to what the alternative is, it‘s great, but it‘s not good, but those—them‘s the facts of life. 

BUSH:  So if you had, you know, either Nick or Jessica, or one of the two, sitting in your office, what would do you with them?  What counsel would you give? 

FELDER:  Well, they should have had a prenuptial agreement.  They don‘t have a prenuptial agreement.  So all bets are off.  It‘s bare-knuckles fighting. 

BUSH:  And, Judge Jill, I mean, they come into you—why go to you instead of, say, the divorce court? 

ROBBINS:  Well, if you go to someone like me, a private judge, you have undivided attention for the entire day or two days or however much time is reserved. 

If you‘re part of the system, you have to go to court and, as a celebrity, that‘s not an easy thing.  There‘s people watching you.  There‘s people following you.  The paparazzi that you had on the show earlier, there‘s all those issues.  Plus you don‘t always get your time.  So it‘s a way to resolve things quickly, expeditiously and privately. 

BUSH:  You‘re like a mediator though? 

ROBBINS:  And mediation...

BUSH:  You‘re mediating between...

ROBBINS:  Exactly.  Exactly.  Mediation is confidential so, whether it‘s in the system or whether it‘s a private judge, it‘s confidential. 

BUSH:  Is it cheaper—is it cheaper than, say, you know, going to the regular divorce court? 

ROBBINS:  It can be less expensive in the long run.  It can be, because you have the reserved time.  When you litigate, obviously, it‘s more expensive.  But when you‘re in the system, because our judges are so busy and they work so hard, you don‘t always get your day in court.  You may have to come back two or three or four times.  Your lawyers may have to prepare. 

BUSH:  Thank you.

And, Raoul, what about the parents?  I mean, you look at—in the situation of Britney Spears, her mom is very involved.  I think she spends a lot of time in the house.  And that‘s what we understand. 

FELDER:  She looks like a homebody, yes.

BUSH:  Jessica Simpson, her father, Joe Simpson, is involved in the minutia, the details of her career.  In your experience, do these people, the parents who are overly involved, does that, you know, add to the inevitability of divorce? 

FELDER:  Well, Billy, that hurts.  And when you‘re a celebrity, you also have the personal managers, the press agents, the career consultants, the accountants, the lawyers.  When two celebrities get married, there‘s teams of people getting married. 

BUSH:  Oh my God.  Hey, Raoul, thank you very much.

FELDER:  Thank you, Billy.

BUSH:  Judge Jill Robbins, thank you very much. 

ROBBINS:  You‘re very welcome. 

BUSH:  And I married a very simple, beautiful girl from Mississippi.  She stays home with the kids, and it‘s easy.  Famous people together, it just doesn‘t seem to work out. 

Anyway, still ahead, Patti LaBelle is hoping her new song can help the healing for hurricane victims.  She joins me live in the studio.  Stay tuned. 


BUSH:  “FHM‘s” hottest girl next door is finally striking a pose in the magazine‘s latest issue.  We first introduced you to Lauren Harris here on LIVE & DIRECT last month.  That‘s when she won the coveted title of Miss FHM 2005.  Or is that “Fahum”?  “Fa-hum”?  Anyway.

You can now see her long-awaited photos on newsstands this week.  Miss FHM 2005 herself, Lauren Harris, is with me now. 

Lauren, these are some photos. 

LAUREN HARRIS, MISS FHM 2005:  Thank you. 

BUSH:  Move your hair away from the microphone.  There you go.  You

won.  And now you see it.  I mean, when you see yourself, you know, there -

folks, what do you think? 

HARRIS:  I love it.  It‘s awesome to be in that magazine.  It‘s amazing. 

BUSH:  Your father is 10 feet away from us right now.  Honestly, though, when we were preparing for the show, some of the producers came over.  And one of the female producers said, “How does she keep, you know, so toned in the buttock area?”  So I ask you, I mean, do you work out a lot?  Do you...

HARRIS:  Not really, no. 

BUSH:  You‘re just 21, right? 

HARRIS:  I‘m just 21. 

BUSH:  It‘s just the benefit of being 21. 


I‘m going to behave—the network president is watching this show.  He told me he would tonight.  So I‘m going to—but I just want to know—he wanted to know, can you do this? 

HARRIS:  No.  I never even tried.  I don‘t know. 

BUSH:  What does this title mean to you? 

HARRIS:  It‘s definitely—I love it.  I mean, it‘s just so good.  I‘m just so thrilled and proud to be part of this magazine.  I‘m still in shock.  Like, this all happened so fast. 

BUSH:  You‘re still working—you‘re still working in a salon, right? 

Are your tips bigger? 

HARRIS:  Yes.  Yes. 

BUSH:  Men come in, being like, hey, man, you know, get my unibrow and... 

HARRIS:  And they come in for all different kinds of things.  So clientele hasn‘t...


BUSH:  I mean, you do hair.  You don‘t, like, wax backs or anything like that? 

HARRIS:  No, I do.

BUSH:  You do?  You do back waxing?

HARRIS:  We do everything.  We do pedicures, manicures, hair.  We do it all. 

BUSH:  You have a 15-year-old brother? 

HARRIS:  Yes, I do.

BUSH:  Do his buddies just, you know, fill the hallways at the house? 

Are they going crazy?

HARRIS:  You know, it kind of upsets him that they come over to see more than him now, so that kind of aggravates them, but...

BUSH:  Do you ever find them going through your drawers or anything like that? 

HARRIS:  Not that I know of.  I hope not. 

BUSH:  Fifteen-year-old boys, they—now, wait a minute.  You‘ve issued a challenge, right?  This is exciting stuff.  You said you would wrestle another woman of the reader‘s choice at “FHM” in Jell-o. 

HARRIS:  That was my campaign promise. 

BUSH:  OK.  That begs the question, what flavor Jell-o? 

HARRIS:  Cherry.  I like red. 

BUSH:  Cherry Jell-o.  Now, how do we find this person?  The readers have to vote, but we need some finalists, don‘t we? 

HARRIS:  I‘m pretty sure “FHM” might choose them.  I mean, I‘m not really sure right now.  It‘s all in the works. 

BUSH:  Jell-o wrestling. 


BUSH:  Have you ever done this before? 

HARRIS:  No, I have not. 

BUSH:  What is your main concern about wrestling in Jell-o? 

HARRIS:  I don‘t know.  I‘m just going to have fun with it.  I‘ve never done it before, so I‘m looking forward to it. 

BUSH:  Hey, listen, congratulations.  This is a great accomplishment for you. 

HARRIS:  Thank you.  Thank you very much. 

BUSH:  And thank you for coming in. 

HARRIS:  Thank you for having me. 

BUSH:  Lauren Harris. 

There is a lot coming up here on MSNBC tonight.  Let‘s check in with Joe Scarborough and Tucker Carlson, both who want to referee the Jell-o wrestling event when it comes up, with a preview.

Joe, you‘re first. 

JOE SCARBOROUGH, MSNBC HOST:  You know, Billy, it‘s amazing.  We were going to talk about Howard Dean and the crazy statements he made.  We‘re going to talk about the Democratic Party in disarray.  But for some reason, it just doesn‘t seem to have the pop that Jell-o wrestling had.  Just somehow, those...

BUSH:  Joe, can you do this?  Joe, can you do this? 

SCARBOROUGH:  Well, actually, I can, and I have, but those really weren‘t the pictures that really just threw me off my game, Billy.  So I‘ve got nothing really positive to say about politics or anything.  You know, in fact, I think I‘m going to just go to the newsstands right now and buy this month‘s... 


BUSH:  Would you referee the match?  You have competition whether to referee the match or not. 

Tucker Carlson, what is the buzz on tonight‘s “SITUATION,” brother?

TUCKER CARLSON, MSNBC HOST:  Well, I‘ll meet your Jell-o wrestler and raise you a stripper evangelist.  Believe it or not, we have an actual stripper. 

BUSH:  Oh, yeah, baby!

CARLSON:  Once was lost, now is found, saving souls, porn stars, strippers, drug addicts.  She‘s coming on to tell us how she turns their lives around.  I‘m pandering to your audience, Billy.  But I hope it‘s working.

BUSH:  Is that it?

CARLSON:  That‘s it. 


BUSH:  And, Tucker, we have a surprise for you coming up.  Still ahead, super...

CARLSON:  A surprise for me?

BUSH:  Oh, no.  All right, Tucker, we have a surprise for you now.  This is courtesy of our producer, Nina Bradley.  Oh, dude, that‘s our high school pictures.  No way!  Tucker, look at you, party boy.  Oh my.

CARLSON:  And we were dating sisters at the time.  Billy, you look very young. 

BUSH:  I don‘t look young now?  I mean, wait a minute.  We went to St.  George‘s School in Newport, Rhode Island.  Tucker was a few years ahead of me. 

By the way, Tucker has a wonderful romantic story.  He‘s been with his wife for 22 years.  You guys dated since sophomore year.  And I dated your wife‘s younger sister.  She was my first love. 

CARLSON:  I remember well. 

BUSH:  Tucker, we‘re airing our...

CARLSON:  We‘ve gone on vacation together, Billy, and you were exactly the same then as you are now.  I‘m proud to say it.  I mean that as a compliment.

BUSH:  And so are you. 

CARLSON:  Thank you. 

BUSH:  But, God, you look handsome there.  I love those glasses.  You look like a—you went to the Grateful Dead concerts, Tucker. 

CARLSON:  Yes, I did. 

BUSH:  Yes, you did. 

All right.  Still ahead, superstar Patti LaBelle joins me live in the studio with her big attempt to help the healing after Hurricane Katrina.  That is next.


BUSH:  Members of the recording industry are doing their part to help victims of Hurricane Katrina.  A hundred percent of the proceeds from the song, “Come Together Now,” will help victims rebuild their lives in the coming days and weeks.  And live with me tonight are Grammy-award winning singer, Patti LaBelle, and the Grammy-nominated songwriter Denise Rich. 

Ladies, I mean, how‘s it going?  How are sales of the album doing? 

DENISE RICH, SONGWRITER:  It‘s doing really, really well.  And you can buy it in the stores now.  It just hit the stores on the 29th.  And it‘s on 785 Records, an independent label.  And it‘s doing very well. 

BUSH:  I got to imagine getting the unbelievable Patti LaBelle to join on the album was instrumental in getting others. 

RICH:  She was incredible.

PATTI LABELLE, MUSICIAN:  It did help.  Because, after she got me, I started pimping everybody.  So everybody has to join in and help.  So many people said yes, you know, to me, and it was fine. 

And we‘re going to be—tomorrow night, we‘re going to be at FYE at Rockefeller center signing from 6:00 to 7:00.  Denise and I will be signing CDs for people to come out and please, you know, support the Katrina victims.  And it‘s called the Angel‘s Place. 

RICH:  Oh, yes, the Angel‘s Place...


BUSH:  Angel‘s Place is a marvelous organization. 

LABELLE:  Yes, you know about it, right?

RICH:  Angel‘s Place for terminally ill children and also Habitat for Humanity. 

BUSH:  I mean, this is—and they‘ve had to move some of these children, right? 

RICH:  Yes, yes, yes.  And you know, so many people are still homeless.  And it‘s so important.  And thank God we have friends from all over the world.  The royal family of Abu Dhabi gave $100 million for Katrina relief. 


RICH:  And it‘s incredible.  And so...

LABELLE:  Just imagine yourself as one of those—I call them victims.  I mean, like, we didn‘t have to worry on Thanksgiving the way they did, and on Christmas coming up, the way they have to worry about how they‘re going to survive. 

BUSH:  Do you worry that it‘s harder to remind people, you know, of this?  Because, unfortunately, natural disasters have just—happening one after the other. 

First, I mean, we go back to 9/11.  That‘s not a natural disaster.  It‘s just a disaster.  But then there‘s the tsunami, and then in Pakistan, and then Katrina, and Rita, and... 

RICH:  Well, “Come Together Now” was originally written—it was co-written with myself and Damon Sharp, Mark Feist, and Sharon Stone.  And it was written originally for tsunami.

And then, when Katrina happened, we knew we had to do something, and it‘s been incredible. 

LABELLE:  And I think people have been...


LABELLE:  ... of the world.

RICH:  Yes.

LABELLE:  And I think they know how important it is for them to come out and support this project and put some people on their feet. 

RICH:  And it‘s not over.  I mean, it‘s not over.  Just because you think that there‘s no hurricane right now, but these people are still homeless, need help.  And, you know, a song like this can really raise a lot of money. 

BUSH:  And, you know, we, as a people, we heal and we move on, but we don‘t want to move on too quickly, you know what I mean?

RICH:  No. 

BUSH:  I mean, I just think that there‘s, like, an inoculation.  We‘ve seen so much.  And these things, you know, just keep happening.  But you don‘t want people to forget, right?  What do you tell them?  What do you remind people of?  I mean, the video of this song is very powerful. 

RICH:  It‘s 27 artists, more tracks than have ever been recorded before, since “We Are the World.” 

BUSH:  And it really covers the gamut.  I‘ve got to say...

RICH:  “Come Together Now” is really...

BUSH:  ... you‘ve got—for the kids, you know, you‘ve got Jesse McCartney and Aaron Carter... 

RICH:  And the Game.  And the Game.

BUSH:  And the Game is out there, Patti LaBelle...

RICH:  Natalie Cole...

LABELLE:  Natalie Cole.

RICH:  ... Celine Dion...

BUSH:  My boy, Gavin DeGraw, is on there.  Gavin DeGraw is one of the great voices of our generation. 

LABELLE:   Yes, it‘s really...

RICH:  Ruben Studdard.  It just is on and on.  It‘s just incredible. 

BUSH:  Is Sharon Stone singing on the album? 

RICH:  No, but she did co-write. 


BUSH:  How much did she write?  You‘ve got a laundry list of great songs you‘ve written as a songwriter.  How much did Sharon Stone—I was part of that “Saturday Night Live” bit, or if someone took me off... 


RICH:  But actually, no.  We all wrote it together, the four of us co-wrote that song together, “Come Together Now.”  And then it came to life when Patti LaBelle sang it with all the other artists.  It‘s just incredible that artists are giving their time for this. 


LABELLE:  ... people will ever forget to take care of their sister and brother.  That‘s the bottom line.  So they have to support this CD.  They have to. 

BUSH:  Patti, you‘re really out there, and you‘re promoting this. 

This is good. 

LABELLE:  I am working on this program, because it could have been me. 

And it could have been Denise. 

RICH:  It could have been any of us.

LABELLE:  So we all—it could have been you—so we all have to put ourselves in the place of the ones who are less fortunate.  So everybody is going to do what they have to do.  Just come out tomorrow night, FYE, at Rockefeller Center, please, from 6:00 to 7:00.  And I‘ll even do a buck dance for you. 


BUSH:  Really?  What is a buck dance? 

LABELLE:  I‘ll show you later. 

BUSH:  Show me now. 

LABELLE:  I can‘t now, darling, no. 

BUSH:  I‘ll give you everything in my wallet right now. 

LABELLE:  Oh, you would?

BUSH:  Everything I have in my wallet—I think I‘ve got a pretty good amount—if you give me a buck dance.


BUSH:  I will dump my wallet out.  Oh, wow. 

RICH:  Hotter than ever. 

BUSH:  I owe you everything in my wallet.  You got it.

LABELLE:  That‘s a buck dance. 


LABELLE:  See how I raise money?  I‘m not lying.  I‘m taking it. 

BUSH:  I know you are.  I got a lot in here, man.  This is a lot of...


LABELLE:  Oh, my goodness. 

RICH:  This is great value for the money.


BUSH:  Still ahead... 

LABELLE:  And, really, it‘s an enhanced CD/DVD... 


BUSH:  We‘ll be right back. 

LABELLE:  Oh, he‘s so rich. 

BUSH:  I‘m not rich. 

LABELLE:  I‘m telling you, Billy, I‘m going to keep it.


RICH:  I just want to say, for the victims...


BUSH:  Tonight, Rita Cosby is on her way to Afghanistan.  She‘s not going alone.  Rita‘s traveling with the WWE superstars, who are going to entertain the men and women of the United States Armed Forces with a special smackdown from the front lines. 


UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Rita Cosby, from MSNBC, Rita Cosby LIVE &



BUSH:  Oh, my god.  I could expect her—she‘s going to have a beer helmet on in a minute.  She spent last night with the superstars, even attending “WWE Raw” last night in South Carolina.  There she is in the stands, their last stop before heading overseas.  Don‘t miss Rita Cosby‘s reports, LIVE & DIRECT from Afghanistan, tomorrow and Thursday night right here on MSNBC.

Rock on.  That‘s LIVE & DIRECT for the night.  I‘m Billy Bush, filling in for Rita.  “SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY” with Big Joe starts right now.

SCARBOROUGH:  Billy, I‘ll tell you what:  What a show, baby.  I had my seatbelt on the whole time.  Unbelievable.

BUSH:  Thank you, sir.

SCARBOROUGH:  And you and Tucker going to same prep school.  Man.


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