updated 9/1/2006 11:24:11 AM ET 2006-09-01T15:24:11

Guests: Wendy Murphy, Clint Van Zandt, Anne Bremner, Pat Buchanan, Heidi Bressler, Ant, Whitney Pastorek, Bex Schwartz, Ashley Dillahunty, Courtney Hazlett

JOE SCARBOROUGH, HOST:  Right now in SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY, a father gets a frantic call from his wife, claiming their daughter‘s been molested by a next-door neighbor.  The dad snaps, doing something that‘s either going to make you cheer or demand that he spends his life behind bars.

Then: The Donald tells his famous right-hand woman, You‘re fired.  Why the Donald dumped her from the TV show and his corporation.

Plus, the anchor caught in the bathroom with a hot mike.  Tonight, it‘s my embarrassing off-air.

Welcome to SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY.  No passport require, only common sense allowed.

We‘re going to have all those stories and a lot more, but first, vigilante justice in the suburbs as a father and attorney take takes justice into his own hands when he hears that his next-door neighbor has molested his young child.  NBC‘s Hoda Kotb has more on the case of a lawyer who now finds himself on the wrong side of the law.

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HODA KOTB, NBC CORRESPONDENT (voice-over):  It is every parent‘s nightmare, and for 29-year-old father Jonathon Edington, it was too much to take.  After reportedly being told his 58-year-old neighbor, Barry James, had molested his 2-year-old daughter, Edington apparently ran next door, broke through a window and stabbed James a dozen times.  Now Fairfield police are investigating molestation charges and a murder.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Although we believe Mr. Edington did receive information just prior to committing this act, indicating that Mr. James may have had inappropriate contact with his daughter, we at the police department have no information to confirm that that ever occurred.

KOTB:  James lived at home with his elderly parents, and at least one neighbor said he was an unusual character.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Yes, he was yelling obscenities at some of the kids.

KOTB:  And perhaps most bizarre, reports that James would walk around outside his home naked.  And as for Edington, by all accounts, he was a mild-mannered, doting dad, a recent grad of Fordham law school.  His attorney says after hearing about his daughter, he simply snapped.  At Edington‘s home, no comment from his shocked father.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Don‘t ask questions.  I can‘t answer them.

KOTB:  Edington posted a $1 million bond.  He is due back in court September 12, when his vigilante justice goes on trial.  Hoda Kotb, NBC News, New York.

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SCARBOROUGH:  Here‘s Clint Van Zandt.  He‘s a former a profiler, MSNBC analyst and author of the new book, “Facing Down Evil: Life on the Edge as an FBI Hostage Negotiator,” that‘s due on shelves September 7.  We also have Anne Bremner—she‘s a criminal defense attorney—and Wendy Murphy, former prosecutor.

Wendy, if it turns out that Barry James did indeed molest Jonathon Edington‘s 2-year-old, do you think that there‘s a chance that he could get away with murder?

WENDY MURPHY, FORMER PROSECUTOR:  Well, I don‘t know what you mean by “get away with.”  If you mean might the charge be bumped down by a jury from murder to manslaughter, there‘s a real good possibility of that.  Might he get a total walk?  I don‘t know.  You know, you got to be careful picking juries in cases like this.  If you‘re trying to defend this guy, there‘s no question he‘s going to lose on the law because there‘s no such thing as, I‘m allowed to kill you if you molest my kid.

On the other hand, many of us—I got five kids myself, and I‘ve said when we‘ve done shows together, Joe, on, you know, one pedophile problem after another, I‘ve said, If that guy ever touched my kid, I‘d kill him.  And inside, I feel like I would do that, even though I hope I wouldn‘t.

But I guess what I‘m saying is, if you pick the right jurors and they‘re somebody like me, who feels rageful and protective about their kids, then they may ignore the law altogether and in a kind of nullification verdict, give the guy a pass.

SCARBOROUGH:  That happens.  Jury nullification happens.

MURPHY:  It does.

SCARBOROUGH:  And if I‘m sitting in that jury, I‘ve got a young daughter, this guy‘s young daughter—if—if it seems that she was molested, I‘ll tell you what, if I were sitting on that jury, I‘d think long and hard before sending this guy away for a long time.

But Clint, here‘s the problem for him.  It seems that he murdered the only witness that can testify about whether there was molestation or not.  I mean, how in the world is his lawyer going to be able to prove that this guy who‘s now dead molested a 2-year-old?

CLINT VAN ZANDT, FORMER FBI PROFILER, MSNBC ANALYST:  Well, some of the things they‘re going to have to bring in, Joe, is the Edingtons have lived in this house only six months.  Three months ago, Edington called the police and said that the dead guy, Barry Jones, is standing in front of his window right here with his pants down, exposing himself to my wife.  The police come out, say, Gee, there‘s nothing we can do.  Now this same guy, a week or two ago, drives his car so drunk, supposedly, he drives his car through the back of his garage.  He‘s walking around naked.

Now, this guy has got some obvious problems, but put yourself in Edington‘s position, knowing all these things, and Joe, for the last two weeks perhaps being inundated with what happened to JonBenet Ramsey, and you‘d think, My God, if that ever happened to my child—and now you get a phone call from your wife saying it did happen—this guy next door, who exposed himself, who was drunk, who was all these other things, he did the unthinkable to your blessed child.  Now the question for the other members of the panel is, if he just went that second, is that in the heat of passion, as opposed to if he sat there 30 minutes or an hour and thought about it?

SCARBOROUGH:  And yes, there‘s no doubt—I mean, that‘s certainly the way it reads, and it looks like it‘s in the heat of passion.  But so Anne, let‘s just assume—we‘re just assuming, we have no idea, but let‘s just assume that the police can prove that he stabbed the guy 12, 13, 14 times...

ANNE BREMNER, TRIAL ATTORNEY:  Right.

SCARBOROUGH:  ... that he killed him, that this guy walked around naked, stood in front of windows, acted inappropriately, was drunk all the time, but you don‘t prove that molestation.  That charge is still just sort of floating out there.

BREMNER:  Right.

SCARBOROUGH:  It‘s still going to be hard for prosecutors to get this guy locked away for very long because the dead guy is certainly not sympathetic at all, is he.

BREMNER:  Well, he‘s not, but here‘s the thing.  This case is wrong on so many levels and it‘s—with a lawyer, of course, you know, I wonder if he took evidence, you know, that you do need evidence in a case like this, and criminal law, you can‘t just go kill somebody because you think they did something...

SCARBOROUGH:  Well, and then—but that‘s the point, and that‘s why this story is important because...

BREMNER:  Right.

SCARBOROUGH:  ... because chances are good we can say it right now, without knowing any of the evidence...

BREMNER:  Right.

SCARBOROUGH:  ... chances are good, the way it‘s being laid out in the papers, the way it‘s being laid out in the press, the way it‘s being laid out by the cops, that regardless of the evidence that goes out, that we may have a jury nullification, where the jury says, I don‘t want to hear about the law, this next-door neighbor guy was a pervert...

BREMNER:  Right.

SCARBOROUGH:  ... he was a creep, we‘re going to let—we‘re going to let the murderer off.  It could happen.

BREMNER:  Yes, but the thing—but the thing is, you know, like, if -

with Wendy‘s position—I mean, Wendy, you wouldn‘t be on the air if you did that, you‘d be in prison.  And the fact is, is that especially a lawyer should be upholding the law.  And the fact is, a 2-year-old‘s not competent to testify.  Even 7-year-olds sometimes aren‘t.  I mean, the 2-year-olds are barely coherent.  They‘re precariously (ph) close to 1 (ph).  He wasn‘t coherent at the time.  He makes an assumption, and on that assumption, he goes and he breaks into someone‘s house and he stabs him 14 times.  And he knows what he‘s doing.  He went back.  He‘s at the kitchen, blood all over him, with the knife.  He can‘t take the law into his own hands.  You learn that in law school.  And in fact, I want to say he‘s giving lawyers a bad name.  I mean, that‘s a joke.  We already have one.  But come on.  I mean, this is...

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SCARBOROUGH:  But Wendy, it seems to me that Anne, while she‘s correct on the law, overlooks the fact that jurors don‘t go to law school and don‘t follow the law.

BREMNER:  No, that‘s true.

SCARBOROUGH:  If they did, O.J. Simpson would have been convicted in Judge Ito‘s court, right?

MURPHY:  And so would Andrea Yates be behind bars right now, convicted of first-degree murder.  That was absolutely a nullification case.  No question about it.  She did not fit the definition of insane under Texas law.

Look, nullification verdicts may be wrong, but they do happen all the time.  And you know, I don‘t think the fact that he‘s a lawyer changes the fact that he‘s also a human being and the father of a child~!  I‘m sure he adored his only, totally defenseless, adorable little child.  You lose your mind when...

SCARBOROUGH:  And Wendy...

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MURPHY:  ... do bad things!

SCARBOROUGH:  Wendy, you‘ve been in front of juries.  Anne, you‘ve been in juries.

BREMNER:  I have.

SCARBOROUGH:  Anne, I see, is shaking your head no.  But come on!  You know that jurors looking at this case are going to be enraged by the next-door neighbor‘s behavior...

BREMNER:  Yes, but guess what?

SCARBOROUGH:  ... the defense attorneys are going to turn this guy into Hitler.

BREMNER:  Hey!  Hey, hey!

SCARBOROUGH:  They are.  You know they are.

BREMNER:  But Joe—they are, but you know what?  Here‘s the

difference.  They don‘t—you see cases where someone‘s convicted or has -

there‘s evidence that they‘ve done something.  This is a 2-year-old.  You know, I‘ve had, you know, young kids on the stand that when I say, Is it—if I say, I‘m a boy, is that the truth, and they say, Yes.  If I say, It‘s raining in the courtroom, is that the truth, they say, Yes.  She—the child...

SCARBOROUGH:  But Anne...

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SCARBOROUGH:  I know, Anne, but...

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SCARBOROUGH:  And in the end, though, Anne, the problem is it‘s not

just the 2-year-old, it‘s the reports of him walking around naked, standing

you know, driving...

BREMNER:  That may not come into evidence.

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SCARBOROUGH:  Hey, Clint, finally—and I want to talk about the 2-year-old situation because...

BREMNER:  Yes.

SCARBOROUGH:  ... this is the bizarre part of the story.  I can‘t believe that a distraught mother would call a father and say, Our 2-year-old has given us evidence to suggest our next-door neighbor raped the little girl, and on that scant information, he‘d grab a knife, jump out of his house, jump through a guy‘s window and stabbed him 14 times.

BREMNER:  Yes.  You know...

SCARBOROUGH:  I mean, how much credence would you put in whatever a 2-year-old told you?

BREMNER:  You got to think he was so upset about this guy, his past history.  But you know, you‘d like to think logical minds would say, OK, wait a minute, turn the car around, come back, Let‘s talk right now, let‘s get a doctor, let‘s get the cops here and let‘s take this guy down the right way.

The challenge for- if this ever goes to a jury, is who is the greater victim, the man who was murdered or the family who was emotionally if not physically molested by the victim?

SCARBOROUGH:  All right.  Hey, thanks, Clint.  Thank you, Anne.

BREMNER:  Thanks.

SCARBOROUGH:  Thank you, Wendy.  Greatly appreciate it.

But friends, just remember what happened with Bernie Goetz.  Remember, the guy on the New York subway that five young punks approached to ask him for money, tried to intimidate him.  They asked for—everybody asked for $5.  He said, Yes, I got $5 for all of you, then he shot all of the guys.  Well, you know, he walked.  I think this is Bernie Goetz 21st century-style, vigilante justice in the suburbs.  I think the guy‘s going to walk.

Coming up: Are illegal immigrants to blame for the recent spike in dangerous crimes across the country?  Pat Buchanan joins us to talk about his controversial new book, “State of Emergency.”

Plus: An anchor heard on the air trash-talking her family when she thought her mike was off.  Rest assured, that would never happen to us in SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  You‘re right (DELETED)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  You‘re good.  You‘re the best.  You were in Congress.

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SCARBOROUGH:  And later: Who‘s having the best summer ever? 

“Entertainment Weekly‘s” best and worst of the season coming up.

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SCARBOROUGH:  Tonight, more proof that immigration‘s growing faster than ever before, and not in the places you‘d expect, like California, Texas or New York.  Look at this.  In Indiana, the immigrant population‘s up 34 percent over the last five years, South Dakota 44 percent, Delaware 32 percent.  And since 9/11, over four million illegal immigrants have come across our borders.  In the Chicago suburbs alone, the number of foreign-born citizens has jumped 38 percent.

And emotions are starting to boil.  In Maywood (ph), California, last Saturday, during a “Save our state” rally, a group of illegal immigrants took down the American flag at the Post Office and replaced it with a Mexican flag!

In his new book, “State of Emergency: The Third World Invasion and Conquest of America,” now at number 5 on the Amazon best-sellers list, MSNBC political analyst Pat Buchanan says, quote, “As Rome passed away, so the West is passing away, from the same causes in the same way.  What the Danube and the Rhine were to Rome, the Rio Grande and the Mediterranean are to America and Europe, the frontiers of a civilization no longer defended.”

Here‘s Pat Buchanan.  He‘s the author of “State of Emergency,” and he‘s also an MSNBC political analyst.

Pat, you‘ve been called a bigot.  You‘ve been called a racist.  You‘ve been called a xenophobe.  You‘ve been called every nasty word that you can be called by people who just say you hate Mexicans, you hate foreigners, and that you‘re living in the 1950s, and yet your book‘s going to debut at number three on “The New York Times” best-seller list.  What do the American people know that the elites on the East Coast don‘t?

PAT BUCHANAN, AUTHOR, “STATE OF EMERGENCY,” MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: 

Joe, there‘s no issue on which the elites are more divorced from the country than this issue of massive immigration and illegal immigration...

SCARBOROUGH:  Why is that, Pat?

BUCHANAN:  ... in the United States—because the elites basically live in gated communities and college towns, in nice apartments.  The only illegal aliens they see are probably sweeping things up, Joe, or they‘re picking up their plates at the country club or at the restaurant they go to.  Whereas the average Americans see more and more strange men on street corners.  They hear about knife fights at the Target store.  They hear about murders with machetes.  They see people moving out of their neighborhoods because they got neighbors who can‘t speak English and won‘t, and because thee‘s little incidents like we had in Washington, D.C., when an illegal 17-year-old illegal alien got himself a little publicity, John Lee Malvo, by shooting 13 people.  He was the Beltway sniper.

SCARBOROUGH:  But I mean, Pat, you‘re not suggesting, though, that Hispanics, Mexicans especially, coming to this country and other illegal immigrants are going to be John Lee Malvos.  I mean, they are a lot of people that work very hard, live by the rules once they get into this country.  They contribute to our economy.

BUCHANAN:  Well, look, Joe, there‘s no doubt about that.  There‘s also a fact that they have a far higher rate of crime than Americans, that by 19 to 1, Hispanic folks who come into this country, their kids join gangs.  They‘re also something -- 1,200 to 1,500 outstanding warrants in Los Angeles County for homicide, 95 percent of them are illegal aliens.

SCARBOROUGH:  What‘s that based on?  Where are those stats from?

BUCHANAN:  Those come from Heather McDonald (ph), who wrote in “The City Journal.”  And she‘s a scholar for Manhattan Institute.  She‘s written very much on this whole issue.

But Joe, every statistic you can find, every group that studies it will tell you illegal aliens are a far higher percentage of the prison population than they are of the American population.  After all, to get in here, they have to break the law.  President of the United States says on in every 12 illegal aliens caught has a criminal record.  We got 12 million illegal aliens, that means one million criminals...

SCARBOROUGH:  So you‘re saying...

BUCHANAN:  ... have come in in the last 20 years~!

SCARBOROUGH:  ... even the president of the United States, who obviously supports a much more liberal immigration approach than you, is even admitting that we‘ve got a million illegal aliens who are criminals right now.  But the reason why the president of the United States and the leaders of Congress, leaders of the Republican and Democratic Party, all support a very lax approach to illegal immigration is they all say the same thing, Our economy can‘t run without illegal immigrants.  You talk to...

BUCHANAN:  Are you telling me, Joe...

SCARBOROUGH:  Hold on a second now, Pat.  You talk to farmers, you know, you talk to people who represent farmers in Washington, they‘ll say farmers couldn‘t do the job without illegal immigrants.  You talk to people who are building condos across northwest Florida, they‘ll tell you the same thing.

BUCHANAN:  Joe, look, you‘re telling—this country was built without illegal aliens in it!  You‘re telling me, in order to make our economy go, we got to have our—we got to let our laws be violated wholesale...

SCARBOROUGH:  Well, I‘m not telling you that, Pat!

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SCARBOROUGH:  I‘m not telling you that, Pat, but I‘m—that‘s what you‘re hearing from your president.  That‘s what you‘re hearing from the speaker of the House.  That‘s what...

BUCHANAN:  What we‘ve got, Joe...

SCARBOROUGH:  ... you‘re hearing from the majority leaders.  That‘s what you‘re hearing from Democrats...

BUCHANAN:  What we got...

SCARBOROUGH:  ... and Republicans.

BUCHANAN:  We got a lot of politicians who are guilty of political cravenness and political cowardice!  Dwight Eisenhower found out we had a million illegals breaking in.  He put together Operation Wetback.  He sent a general down to solve the problem.  He pushed them out of the country!  In the 1960s, I opposed getting rid of the Brasero (ph) program.  Tomato growers say, We won‘t get any tomatoes, you get rid of it.  They got rid of the program.  They mechanized.  We got tomatoes the size of watermelons, and the price dropped!

This is all a phony argument.  We got an invasion of our country, and you‘re going to lose this country, Joe, if you do not stop this invasion which is altering the character of the country~!  It‘s turning us basically into what Teddy Roosevelt called a tangle of...

SCARBOROUGH:  Again, Pat...

BUCHANAN:  ... of squalling (ph) minorities!

SCARBOROUGH:  ... the thing is, though, that it seems to me—and you and I both talk about—have been talking about—you‘ve been talking about political issues for a long, long time.  I just can‘t think of a single issue since I‘ve been following politics where there‘s a bigger disconnect between Washington politicians in both parties and middle America.  And yet when people like you, people like Lou Dobbs, other people try to sound the alarm, basically, the people who are running our universities, who are running our media networks , who are running “New York Times,” who are running Congress and the White House all say that you guys are bigoted haters.

BUCHANAN:  Well, look, I don‘t think—look, if they‘re calling—they don‘t use those terms anymore for a simple reason.  They know they‘re out of touch with the country.  They know they‘re talking about 70 percent of the American people.

When I ran in 1991, Joe, you know, I was compared to David Duke because I asked for a 70 -- mile fence.  One of the guys that did was Newt Gingrich, who‘s now in favor of 700 miles of fence.  The truth is, we are winning this argument.  It‘s taken 20 years to do it.  But I‘ll tell you, this is a far greater issue for most Americans out there in the country than even Iraq.  And if the Republican Party gets this wrong, as I write in my book, it is the suicide of the GOP, as well as of this country!

SCARBOROUGH:  And finally, Pat, take a look at this photo, another illegal border crossing.  Let‘s put that up.  Looks like an  illegal border crossing.  It‘s actually a new theme park in Mexico, where visitors pay 15 bucks to make the simulated illegal crossing, complete with dangerous geography, gunfire and guides wearing ski masks.  The park‘s funded in part by the Mexican government and even tells visitors how to trick the (INAUDIBLE) for the border patrol.  Pat, the Mexican government‘s not only turning a blind eye to this illegal invasion, they‘re complicit in it, aren‘t they.

BUCHANAN:  The Mexican government is aiding and abetting the invasion of the United States!  They talk openly...

SCARBOROUGH:  Does George Bush know that?

BUCHANAN:  George Bush, excuse me, is living in yesterday on this issue.  The Mexican government is now openly talking about “la reconquista,” not military, but the demographic, the cultural reconquest of the lost lands of the Southwest that James K. Polk won for this country!  Bush‘s legacy, I predict, not just going to be Iraq, it‘s going to be he lost the American Southwest for the United States of America!

SCARBOROUGH:  And you say the next generation, there‘s going to be 100 million Hispanics concentrated in the U.S. Southwest.  That‘s pretty remarkable.

BUCHANAN:  Bye-bye American pie.

SCARBOROUGH:  All right.  Bye-bye American pie.  Thank you so much, Pat Buchanan.  Greatly appreciate it.

And what Pat would tell you and what so many other people who are upset about this issue will tell you is they have absolutely no problem with legal immigration.  It‘s illegal immigration that‘s the sticker.  And the elites, you know, they can try to blur those distinctions all they want to, but in the end, there‘s so many of us who just believe if you want to come to America, get in line, do it the right way, and we‘ll be the ones there when you‘re getting sworn in, shaking your hand and pat you on the back.

Now, coming up, Rosie O‘Donnell‘s says “The View” altered her publicity photos to make her look thinner, just like Katie Couric.  Maybe they can Photoshop her big mouth next.

Plus, the real reason behind Donald Trump‘s decision to fire one of his “Apprentice” co-stars.  Too big of a head!  Hit the road, Jack!

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SCARBOROUGH:  It‘s time for tonight‘s “Must See S.C.,” the late-night TV version.  First up, President Bush has always been an easy target for late-night comics.  Last night, David Letterman took his best shot at the president‘s facial mannerisms.

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DAVE LETTERMAN, HOST:  This may be a little subtle, so you want to get really close to the television or set your Tivo to record it and analyze it over breakfast.  It‘s the George W. Bush tough guy lip curl.  Take a look.

GEORGE WALKER BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:  You know, I hear a lot of talk about civil war.  I‘m concerned about that, of course.  I—and I‘ve talked to a lot of people about it.

LETTERMAN:  Talked to a lot of people about it.

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SCARBOROUGH:  And apparently, all Republicans are fair game for the late-night comics.  Last night, Jay Leno had a little fun with our old friend Bob Dole.

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JAY LENO, HOST:  And a new portrait of Senator Bob Dole was unveiled recently in Washington.  It‘s part of the Senate leadership portrait collection, and it was done by the same guy who did Britney Spears‘s “Harper‘s Bazaar” cover.  Here, take a look.  C-Span covered the event.  Here‘s the unveiling.  There‘s Senator Dole (INAUDIBLE) See?  See, there he is, right there.

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SCARBOROUGH:  Oh, my!

Coming up next, a news anchor heard live on the air while she was in the bathroom, an embarrassing situation we certainly wouldn‘t tolerate here in SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY.

And later: “Talladega Nights”—was it great (ph) or the greatest movie of the summer?  We‘ll debate the best and the worst of the season coming up.

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SCARBOROUGH:  Coming up on SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY, a microphone catches a news anchor mouthing off, but this time it ain‘t CNN, baby.  Plus, why is one of the “Desperate Housewives” desperate to take off her lingerie and put on real clothes instead?  We‘ll go to “Hollyweird” and get that answer. 

Welcome back to SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY.  Those stories in minutes, but first, “Apprentice” fans will be crying themselves to sleep tonight, asking, why did Donald fired his blue-eyed ice queen?

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CAROLYN KEPCHER, FORMER HOST, “APPRENTICE”:  Heidi, in the time that we‘ve been here, I have yet to really see anything out of you. 

So do you feel you can really relate to children with comments like that? 

I‘m embarrassed to be a businesswoman right now. 

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Me, too.

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SCARBOROUGH:  Inside sources tell the “New York Post” that fame turned Carolyn Kepcher into a prima donna.  Being on “The Apprentice” went to her head.  She was no longer focused on business.  She was giving speeches for $25,000 and doing endorsements.  Another source says, quote, “She thought she was a freaking movie star.”

Kepcher reportedly made the mistake of letting her celebrity interfere with her job, selling memberships at Trump National Golf Club.  But her real mistake may have been getting in the way of Trump‘s daughter, who‘s likely to replace Kepcher on the show.  And we have no objections to that here in SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY. 

Former “Apprentice” contest Heidi Bressler is here to give us insight. 

And also Ant, he‘s the host of VH1‘s “Celebrity Fit Club.” 

Heidi, let‘s start with you.  Do you think she deserved firing? 

HEIDI BRESSLER, FORMER “APPRENTICE” CONTESTANT:  No, I actually loved Carolyn.  And seeing that clip, she‘s a great woman.  She‘s a straight shooter.  However, Donald had his reasons, whatever.  But you know what?  At the end of the day, Carolyn is going to make out good with this.  She‘s probably going to get her own telephone show. 

SCARBOROUGH:  But how ironic is it that this woman that was always attacking these younger people for not staying on message got on a TV show and then she went Hollywood?  She forgot what her real job was. 

BRESSLER:  OK, but she wasn‘t the only one who went Hollywood.  They all did.  I mean, George, who I love, went Hollywood.  Donald Trump went Hollywood.  So it‘s not just Carolyn who it went to her head.  I mean, they all went Hollywood. 

SCARBOROUGH:  Ant, wouldn‘t you agree that, if this woman was out flying around making speeches, and doing all these other things, and wasn‘t taking care of business at the golf course, that maybe she forgot to put aside her press clippings and see what a real job description should be?

ANT, HOST, “CELEBRITY FIT CLUB”:  Joe, I‘ve got to say goodbye and good riddance.  I‘m so glad she‘s gone.  My assistant could do her job, and he works part-time at the Gap. 

BRESSLER:  That is not true.  Her job was hard.

ANT:  Seriously.  She sells memberships at a golf course!  How difficult could that be? 

BRESSLER:  OK, but the memberships are very expensive, so therefore she‘s got to get them in there. 

ANT:  OK, Heidi, number one, you‘re from Planet Banana Cuckoo.  “The memberships are expensive.”

BRESSLER:  No, I‘m not.

ANT:  I can‘t believe you were picked to be on “The Apprentice” after hearing that. 

BRESSLER:  You said from Planet Cuckoo?

ANT:  I got to say, you know what?  Tattoo left “Fantasy Island,” the show went on.  Chrissy left “Three‘s Company,” the show went on.  Caroline leaves the “Apprentice,” now I can start watching again.

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SCARBOROUGH:  You know what I don‘t understand though about this—

Heidi, Heidi...

BRESSLER:  ... absolutely wrong.

SCARBOROUGH:  Heidi, what I don‘t understand about this is why Trump couldn‘t have waited until the new season...

BRESSLER:  That‘s what I said.

SCARBOROUGH:  ... to get her in the room, and fire her, and just watch her with the mouth wide open. 

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH:  I mean, you‘d think that Donald would have figured that out.

BRESSLER:  I said Mark Burnett is probably furious.  Like, what are you, crazy?  The new season airs in January.  Wait a couple of months.  Fire her in December.  I don‘t think she should be fired, but I like her, but do it in December.

ANT:  I‘ve got to tell you, I completely disagree. 

BRESSLER:  Of course you disagree. 

ANT:  Trump is a megalomaniac.  Why would he want to put the focus on Carolyn and take it off of him?

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH:  Let‘s see what Carolyn had to say.  She released an official statement today that reads this.  “After 11 years with the Trump organization, Donald and I had different visions for my future role in the company.”  Yes, she wanted one; he didn‘t.  “Donald has been an extraordinary boss and a great mentor over the years, and I‘ll always be grateful for the opportunities and experiences he‘s provided be.”

Ant, her 15 minutes is up, isn‘t it? 

ANT:  I‘ve got to tell you, Joe, what you don‘t see there is the dot, dot, dot.  And if anybody has any leads, here‘s my number. 

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH:  Yes, exactly.  And, Heidi, let‘s show a picture, if we can, of the Donald‘s daughter who‘s going to be replacing her. 

BRESSLER:  She‘s wonderful, Ivanka. 

SCARBOROUGH:  Is she wonderful?  OK, do we have that, Chris?  There we go.  Do you think she may work for the demographics Trump‘s looking for? 

BRESSLER:  She might.  But you know what?  As I said this morning, I mean, Carolyn and George both have their fan base, so people are going to be disappointed.  However, Ivanka is excellent in the boardroom, so I‘m confident the show will do well.  But regardless, the ratings are still going down. 

SCARBOROUGH:  All right, Ant, we‘ll give you the final word.

ANT:  Excellent in the boardroom?  She‘s hot.  I‘m a homo and I...

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH:  Well, I was going to ask you what your opinion was of her, but I wasn‘t sure.  Thank you so much for clarifying that, Ant. 

BRESSLER:  Thanks, Ant.

SCARBOROUGH:  I know Middle America is glad to hear it, too. 

Heidi, thank you for being with us. 

BRESSLER:  Thank you so much.

SCARBOROUGH:  And, Ant, as always, we greatly appreciate it.  Yes. 

And thank you for clarifying your status on sexuality. 

Now, earlier this week, CNN anchor Kyra Phillips, well, she clarified her thoughts towards her sister in law.  And she had what every talent‘s worst nightmare is:  an open microphone when you least suspect it. 

CNN forgot to cut her mike during President Bush‘s press conference in New Orleans, and Kyra was busted talking about her sister-in-law.  Take a look. 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN CORRESPONDENT:  Of course, brothers have to be—you know, protective.  (INAUDIBLE) protective of him.  Oh, yes, he‘s married, three kids, but his wife is just a control freak. 

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Kyra?

PHILLIPS:  Yes, baby?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Your mike is on.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCARBOROUGH:  I love her, by the way.  Great CNN anchor.  And all I can say is that that sort of thing would never happen to me. 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SCARBOROUGH:  As I was cradling the dying child‘s head in my hands, I looked around me 360 degrees.  I saw all of Africa, and I realized at that moment that this story wasn‘t about Africa.  It wasn‘t about starvation.  It was about how I had become the conscience of America. 

I‘m Joe Scarborough.  Good night. 

Hey, Goodman, why don‘t you tell your bridge partner, Anderson Cooper, we can roll that way, too, huh? 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  What? 

SCARBOROUGH:  What?  That‘s what your wife said last night. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Joe, I‘m not even married. 

SCARBOROUGH:  Yes, that‘s what your wife said last night.  See you later, Goodman. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  You got him, man.  Way to go, Joe.  Brilliant.

SCARBOROUGH:  Yes, right there. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  What are you up to tonight, Joe? 

SCARBOROUGH:  Oh, man, don‘t even get me started.  Don‘t even get me started.  Your boy, Dan Abrams, decided that I needed to go to an AIDS for animals benefit tonight at some midtown swanky thing.  I don‘t know.  I‘m man of the people.  What can I tell you? 

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  How‘s it going?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Good.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  You guys doing the...

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Yes, it‘s up right now.  It‘s up right now.

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:  Warren Easton is the oldest public school in New Orleans. 

SCARBOROUGH:  Abrams, the guy is driving me up the frickin‘ wall.  How did this guy get the job?  Did you see his show?  He was, “Here‘s my rebuttal.  Here‘s my final report.”  Those e-mails, you know who cares about who, like, sends those e-mails to Dan?  Dan.  Worst show I‘ve seen in my frickin‘ life. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I thought it was brilliant.

SCARBOROUGH:  How does the guy...

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH:  You talk about the Peter Principle.  I should have been promoted to president. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Well, you are also brilliant. 

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH:  But you know what, though?  I don‘t think anybody knows this:  I was in Congress. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Is that right? 

SCARBOROUGH:  I was in Congress for four terms.  The House of Representatives.  And Abrams?  I‘m sorry, Abrams? 

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  He could have been in Congress.

SCARBOROUGH:  No, he couldn‘t have been in Congress.  That‘s where you get it wrong.  So, anyway, so I don‘t understand.  If that‘s the way this corporation works, you know, whatever. 

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Tells you he‘s brilliant. 

DAN ABRAMS, PRESIDENT, MSNBC:  Hey, Congressman, your mike‘s on.  It has been on the air.  Good stuff.  Good stuff.  Hey, why don‘t you meet me in my office in five?

SCARBOROUGH:  All right, Dan. 

ABRAMS:  Thanks a lot.

SCARBOROUGH:  I‘ll be right there. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  What‘s up? 

SCARBOROUGH:  The mike wasn‘t turned off. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Oh, not brilliant.

SCARBOROUGH:  God. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Not brilliant.

SCARBOROUGH:  That‘s not at all.  (beep) (beep) (beep)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  You‘re all right.  You‘re good.  Do it.  You‘re good.  You‘re the best.  You were in Congress. 

SCARBOROUGH:  I was in Congress.  I was never in Congress.  That‘s all a frickin‘ lie.  I made that (bleep) up to get this job. 

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCARBOROUGH:  You‘re laughing.  I‘m embarrassed.  That was one of the most embarrassing moments in my career.  You know, I‘ve been in TV now, what, 45, 46 years now, and that still stings.  You know, what we learn here is, other than why everybody else does, the sound man, the most important guy.  Our gal, sound gal.  Let me be politically correct. 

Coming up next, Rosie O‘Donnell hasn‘t even started on “The View,” but she‘s already hogging the spotlight.  Will the show be able to survive the weight of her ego?  Find out in “Hollyweird.”

And up next, “The Devil Wears Prada.”  The best movie of the year?  Not in SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY, baby.  Our best and worst, including David Hasselhoff.  You got to see the Hoff‘s big song.  It‘s coming up next in SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY.   

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCARBOROUGH:  Labor Day weekend marks the unofficial end to summer, but before you pack those flip-flops and send the kids back to school, “Entertainment Weekly” has the best and worst of the summer of 2006.  Here to talk about it, “Entertainment Weekly‘s” Whitney Pastorek.  And also VH1‘s Bex Schwartz. 

Whitney, let me start with you.  You say “Entertainment Weekly” top pick for favorite movie of the year is “The Devil Wears Prada.”  Let‘s take a look at the clip.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)  

MERYL STREEP, ACTRESS:  So tell Richard I saw all the pictures that he sent for that feature on the female paratroopers and they‘re all so deeply unattractive.  Is it possible to find a lovely, slender female paratrooper?  Am I reaching for the stars here?  Not really.  Also, I need to see all the things that Nigel has pulled for Gwyneth‘s second cover.  Who‘s that?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCARBOROUGH:  What makes “The Devil Wears Prada” such a big hit at “Entertainment Weekly”? 

WHITNEY PASTOREK, “ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY”:  You know, it was the only movie this summer that kind of satisfied us on both a guilty pleasure level and it was actually a really good movie.  I mean, it had a little something for everyone.  We especially liked the makeover montage set to the Madonna song.  And I mean, Meryl Streep, you can‘t go wrong.  She was amazing. 

SCARBOROUGH:  But it‘s a chick flick.  Come on!

PASTOREK:  It is not a chick flick.  It‘s the story of a young person trying to find their way in the world.  You can‘t be close-minded about this.

SCARBOROUGH:  But I‘ve got to.  Prada is in the title.  Now, if you want a look at a movie that speaks not only to the hearts of men and women, but rednecks and NASCAR fans, well, you got to be taking about “Talladega Nights.”  Take a look at SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY‘s top movie of the year. 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

WILL FERRELL, “TALLADEGA NIGHTS”:  I just want to take time to say thank you for my family, my two beautiful, beautiful, handsome, striking sons, Walker and Texas Ranger, or T.R., as we call him, and of course, my red, hot, smoking wife, Carlie, who is a stone cold fox.  Dear tiny, infant Jesus...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Hey, you know, sweetie, Jesus did grow up.  You don‘t always have to call him baby.  It‘s a bit odd and off-putting to pray to a baby.

FERRELL:  Well, look, I like the Christmas Jesus best, and I‘m saying grace.  When you say grace, you can say it to grown-up Jesus or teenage Jesus or bearded Jesus or whoever you want.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCARBOROUGH:  Now, Whitney, that‘s a movie.  That‘s our selection. 

But talk about how big this summer proved Will Ferrell has gotten. 

PASTOREK:  This was such an important summer for Will, because, you know, he‘d had a couple missteps recently.  “Bewitched” did not do well.  “Kicking and Screaming” was under-seen.  And to come back with this movie and remind people that he can run around in his underwear possibly better than any man in history, I think it was really important for him.

SCARBOROUGH:  But I got ask, Bex, about David Hasselhoff.  He‘s having quite a summer, also.  Let‘s take a look at a clip from his “Jump in my Car” YouTube video. 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DAVID HASSELHOFF, ACTOR (Singing):  I want to take you home.  Jump in my car. 

(END VIDEO CLIP) 

SCARBOROUGH:  Yes.  Bex?

BEX SCHWARTZ, VH-1:  Yes, I love the Hoff.

SCARBOROUGH:  What the hell is going on in the life of David Hasselhoff? 

SCHWARTZ:  Well, you know, ever since that moment when I saw him weeping during the finale of “American Idol,” I was like, “This summer is the summer of the Hoff.”  I think it‘s amazing.  He‘s everywhere.  It‘s the comeback we‘ve always been waiting for.  He could be spouting gibberish on “America‘s Got Talent,” or he could be rocking it out on YouTube, and I will love him no matter what he does.

SCARBOROUGH:  I hear he‘s very been in Germany.

SCHWARTZ:  He‘s huge.  He tore down the wall, apparently.  It was him,

personally

SCARBOROUGH:  It was.  Whitney, you say another person with a big comeback this year has been Al Gore.  Why? 

PASTOREK:  “Inconvenient Truth.”  I mean, that‘s it in a nutshell.  He came back and reminded all of us why, you know, half the country voted for him, and I think maybe won over some people who didn‘t vote for him by proving that he‘s not just this sort of stick figure. 

SCARBOROUGH:  Whitney, who‘s your loser of the summer? 

PASTOREK:  You know, I think a lot of people would say Mel Gibson, because of his anti-Semitic remarks, but the person who I called out in the article was Rob Schneider, who piggybacked onto his anti-Semitic remarks and said, “Yes, that‘s right, and I‘m never going to work with him again.”  Like there were all these people out there clamoring for the big, you know, Mel Gibson-Rob Schneider buddy comedy. 

SCARBOROUGH:  Tom Cruise the loser this summer? 

SCHWARTZ:  Heck, yes.  Viacom dropped him like a hot potato.  I can‘t wait for all of our salaries to finally go up now that we‘re no longer paying his. 

SCARBOROUGH:  You know what the big sports story of the year was, was Zidane‘s head butt. 

PASTOREK:  Yes.  I immediately put the YouTube video up on my MySpace page.  I mean, he‘s my hero.  If you‘re going to be the world‘s greatest soccer player, that‘s the way you want to go out.  That‘s the way you want the final moment of your career to look, is you head butting some dude in the World Cup.

SCARBOROUGH:  Thank you so much, Whitney.  Thank you, Bex.  But stay with us, because as we leave, one more time, the Hoff. 

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCARBOROUGH:  Get your star maps ready.  It‘s time to take a tour of “Hollyweird.”  First up, sexy “Desperate Housewives” star Eva Longoria says she wants to cover up and wear less lingerie on the show.  “OK” magazine‘s Courtney Hazlett is with us.  And from “InTouch Weekly,” Ashley Dillahunty.

Let‘s start right now with you, Courtney, talking about Eva.  It sounds like she wants to go from hanky-panky to high art, but doesn‘t she realize we don‘t watch “Desperate Housewives” to watch her in a parka?

COURTNEY HAZLETT, “OK” MAGAZINE:  You know, you make a really good point, Joe.  I don‘t think people are watching “Desperate Housewives” to see her get all bundled up.  And, quite frankly, when I see Eva on the red carpet, I‘ve never really seen her in a turtle neck and scarf.  So I‘m not really sure how much she wants to be covered up. 

I don‘t know.  You know, maybe she‘s a little bit sick of having to work out all the time, but I‘m guessing that we‘re probably going to keep seeing skin from Eva. 

SCARBOROUGH:  No doubt about it.  And, Ashley, tell us about the rumors that right now—I mean, a hot new Hollywood couple possibly, with Paris Hilton and Lance Armstrong.  What‘s going on? 

ASHLEY DILLAHUNTY, “INTOUCH WEEKLY”:  Yes, and what an odd couple that is. 

SCARBOROUGH:  Bizarre.

DILLAHUNTY:  Yes.  Paris Hilton and Lance Armstrong showed up Monday night at the Key Club in Hollywood, and everyone there says that they were walking around together, talking.  He was telling his friends how hot he thought she was.  And, I mean, Paris is really hot. 

But then later on, they all go to a different club and her on, off again boyfriend Stavros shows up.  So that put a halt to everything.  But Lance is single.  Paris said that she‘s single, and he‘s definitely on the prowl.  So we just may see them out together again soon. 

SCARBOROUGH:  Courtney, that is just too bizarre of a match-up, isn‘t it? 

HAZLETT:  It‘s pretty bizarre, in fact, so bizarre that Paris‘ publicist literally e-mailed me on the way over here and he said there was no romantic encounter.  That said, Paris not having a romantic encounter is sort of like a president saying he didn‘t inhale.  So I‘m not really sure how deeply we should read into it. 

SCARBOROUGH:  And coming up, also we‘re talking about Rosie O‘Donnell.  She got the Katie Couric treatment.  The new co-host of the “View” says ABC‘s publicity photo of her has been airbrushed to show a more rosy view. 

Courtney, she doesn‘t seem upset about the touchup, though, does she? 

HAZLETT:  That‘s right.  Literally within minutes, it seemed, Rosie O‘Donnell had on her blog, saying, “Yes, there is definitely a little bit more space between my arms and my waist than there used to be.  I‘ve been airbrushed.  That suit I know was a size 16 and probably should have been an 18.”  She‘s coming out and admitting it.  I don‘t think anyone minds looking a little bit better on a page.

SCARBOROUGH:  I certainly wouldn‘t mind that.  I wish they‘d do that for me at MSNBC. 

HAZLETT:  No joke.

SCARBOROUGH:  Yes, Ashley, what about Rosie?  Do you think that she‘s going to be the flammable liquid that blows “The View” up finally? 

DILLAHUNTY:  Yes, she could be.  She definitely could be.  I mean, she said that she‘s going to grow her hair out.  And she told “Glamour” magazine that.  So we just may see her losing weight, and she‘s always been really honest.  So we just may see her looking great, and everyone is going to be jealous.  You never know. 

SCARBOROUGH:  Yes, well, let‘s finally talk about Scientology.  Is it ready to bankroll Tom Cruise?  Now, Cruise‘s people are denying it, but MSNBC.com is reporting that the church may have been ready to show Tom the money after Paramount fired him. 

Courtney, this story doesn‘t seem like too much of a stretch, does it? 

HAZLETT:  All hail Zeno.  I got to say, you can take the Scientology from Tom Cruise but you can‘t take the Tom Cruise from Scientology, so to speak.  I think what we‘re seeing here is Tom Cruise is just getting a lot quieter about the way he‘s going about things, with good reason, ever since his falling out with Paramount.  I have a hard time believing this.  The money is going to come from somewhere, and Scientology is definitely close to the heart.

SCARBOROUGH:  And, Ashley, if you remember what Scientology did last time they got involved in motion pictures, I think it was John Travolta‘s “Battleship Earth” or something like that.  I remember the review of it in the “Washington Post” was.  It started by saying a million monkeys with a million crayons in a million years couldn‘t have written a stupider movie than this one. 

Don‘t you think they would have learned their lesson with that? 

DILLAHUNTY:  Yes.  It seems like they would have.  But you know what? 

Tom Cruise has done so much for Scientology, and he‘s definitely put it on the map.  I mean, he gets everyone involved, and he‘s really done a lot for them.  So it‘s not surprising that they would be stepping up and helping him. 

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH:  And, Ashley, he‘s still a bankable star, isn‘t he? 

DILLAHUNTY:  Yes.

HAZLETT:  There‘s no doubt about it.  Tom Cruise has star quality that just really can‘t be matched by just about anyone out there.

SCARBOROUGH:  Other than me, of course. 

HAZLETT:  Other than you, Joe. 

SCARBOROUGH:  Hey, if Scientology wants to put up $20 million for my next movie, great.  Hey, thanks a lot, Courtney.  Thank you, Ashley.  Greatly appreciate it.

And we greatly appreciate you being with us tonight in SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY.  Stay where you are.  “DEATH ON THE STREET” starts right now.  Good night.  See you tomorrow.

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