updated 9/21/2006 11:01:15 AM ET 2006-09-21T15:01:15

Guests: Laura Schwartz, Kinky Friedman, Michael Crowley, Steve Adubato, Geoffrey Fieger, Andrea Macari, Chelsea Handler, Jill Dobson

JOE SCARBOROUGH, HOST:  Right now in SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY, politics goes pop.  Oh!  Why so many young people want Hollywood celebrities like Jon Stewart to run the country.  I‘m not kidding.  Plus, Nancy Grace keeps up her campaign against a grieving mom who committed suicide after an interview with the big-mouth blonde.  You‘re going to see shocking new clips.  Plus, why Nancy Grace may be facing lawsuits soon.  And later, hunting a bounty hunter.  We have exclusive A&E (ph) footage of what really happened during Duane “Dog” Chapman‘s arrest last week.

Welcome to SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY.  No passport required, only common sense allowed.

First up tonight, Jon Stewart for president.  Right now, it‘s only a Web site and a T-shirt.  But if the Comedy Central funny man ever decided to get into politics, he would be following a growing line of celebrities who actually tried their hand at governing.  Now, as you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger is coasting to a second election victory in California, and Arnold‘s following in the footsteps of another movie actor, Ronald Reagan, who went from being a movie star with monkeys to California governor to president of the United States.

Speaking of monkeys, pro wrestler Jesse “The Body” Ventura shocked the political world in 1998 by being elected governor of Minnesota on the power of celebrity.  And history may be repeating itself in the Lone Star state, where a musician, author, humorist, and most importantly, friend of Don Imus, is making a serious run at the position that catapulted George W.  Bush toward the presidency.

President Kinky?  It‘s like a script straight out of “Hollyweird,” baby!

Bill Clinton used celebrities to get elected in 1992, and he remained enthralled with their star power through the years while he was in the White House.  A long list of celebs spent the night in the Lincoln Bedroom.  John Kennedy also surrounded himself with celebrities both in and out of bed.  But Washington‘s no more obsessed with Hollywood than Hollywood‘s focused on D.C.  From “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington” to “The Candidate” with Robert Redford, there‘s always been an easy mix between the coastal elites.

And the song remains the same in 2006, as “Man of the Year” staring Robin Williams gets its release in the heat the 2006 campaign.  The movie follows the story of a TV comedian who wants to run for office as a joke, but he ends up winning.  Kind of like what might happen if Jon Stewart ever decided to quit his day job to pursue his political career.  Stranger things have happened.  Just ask Jesse Ventura.

But unlike the former wrestler, Jon Stewart‘s trade actually is in politics, or at least in mocking politicians.  Take a look.


GEORGE WALKER BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:  Ma‘am, I‘m just telling you, what this government has done is—is to take steps necessary to protect you and your family.  You asked me about your family, and you represent a lot of other people.  This is people that want to come and kill your families!JON STEWART, “THE DAILY SHOW”:  Matt, Matt, I‘m—it‘s just you and me here, Matt.  Just—just for a second, just—just for a second.  Just picture your loved ones dead.  Just do it for me.  Just for you—are you are you picturing it?  Are you—oh, got it?  Is it in your head?  All right, now go vote.


SCARBOROUGH:  Here now is Kinky Friedman.  He‘s running, of course, for governor in the state of Texas as an independent.  He‘s also author of the book “Texas Hold ‘Em.”  He‘s also catching up with his Republican and Democratic opponents.  Also with us, Democratic strategist Laura Schwartz, who‘s a former adviser to president Bill Clinton.  And also Michael Crowley.  He‘s senior editor of “The New Republic.”

I want to start with you, Laura Schwartz, because we talk about Bill Clinton—Bill Clinton loved celebrities, and having celebrities around him actually worked for the 42nd president.  Why did it—why did all that star power seem to rub off on a guy from Arkansas?

LAURA SCHWARTZ, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST:  Well, you know, Bill Clinton knew how to use what I coin as popular alliances.  He turned to alternative media outlets to get first-time voters, somewhat disenfranchised—or disinterested, skeptical or trepidatious voters, which he couldn‘t get in the nightly news outlets.  You know, he went on Arsenio Hall and went from a white boy in a suit to a guy in the band.  And he did the same thing when he traveled with Bon Jovi and the guys in the band.  All of a sudden, you had a new organization of youth out there that were paying attention to this campaign that, Hey, if Bon Jovi‘s on the stage, I‘m going to vote for the guy, or at least get interested in politician.

But every time a politician pulls in a celebrity, they also have to take the responsibility to get them in, to show them the street (ph) of which to follow, to find out what they‘re all about and make light of it, and at the same time, get them interested in politics.  It‘s (INAUDIBLE)

SCARBOROUGH:  You know, Kinky—Kinky, celebrities even working right now deep in the heart of Texas, deep in the heart of Texas with you.


SCARBOROUGH:  The latest polls show that you‘re actually catching up with your Republican and Democratic opponents.

FRIEDMAN:  Absolutely.

SCARBOROUGH:  You‘re ahead of where Jesse “The Body” Ventura was in 1998 at this stage of the campaign.  Why is it working for you the same way it worked for Jesse Ventura?

FRIEDMAN:  Well, I think that—Joe, I think that my other three opponents have 89 years of politics between just the three of them.  I mean, three little people with 89 years of politics.  Now, that‘s not what the Founding Fathers wanted America to be.

SCARBOROUGH:  Well, and do you think, Kinky, also, it‘s because people know you?  I mean, they‘ve seen you on Imus.  They‘ve heard you sing, and they‘ve heard you—I mean, they‘ve read your books.  It‘s not like you‘re just walking in from a bank saying, yes, I run this bank here, and I want to run—I mean, people have grown up with you, just like they grew up with Schwarzenegger.  And you think that may gave them a give them a level of comfort?

FRIEDMAN:  Yes.  Yes, Joe.  I think—I think I‘ve been close to the people as a musician and an author.  And you know, we need—Texas right now does not want a politician as governor.  We‘ve had enough of these hired hands.  It really might be time for a good shepherd, you know, and someone who really will look out for the interests of people of Texas.

SCARBOROUGH:  And when I think of good shepherd, the first thing that comes to my mind?  Kinky.

Let‘s show another clip of Jon Stewart again showing why Jon Stewart somehow always manages to capture the moment going after politicians.  Take a look.


STEWART:  Earlier today—the TV in my office is always on because I‘m about education.  And I was basically getting my passport stamped for “Scarborough Country,” and the volume was off.  I‘m more of a ticker guy.  And as I‘m watching, I notice something—can you freeze it?  Freeze it. 

Freeze it.

Is that guy‘s head real?  Is that a real head, a human head?

So anyway, that question vexed me.  I couldn‘t figure it out.  It was the only thing I noticed on the program.  I didn‘t—wasn‘t paying close attention, so—but anyway, I was so transfixed by this man‘s wax-like visage that I—by the time I could focus again, Scarborough had ended his report on whatever important issue he was talking about.


SCARBOROUGH:  You know, Michael Crowley, there‘s been a debate out there on whether Jon Stewart is good for American politics or not.  Talk about his impact on the youth vote.  My son loves whenever Jon Stewart mocks me, calls me dirty names.  He‘s 18 years old.  He never watches my show, but he‘ll watch Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert every night.  Is that good for America?

MICHAEL CROWLEY, “THE NEW REPUBLIC” SENIOR EDITOR:  Well, you know, it‘s an amazing sign of the times.  I think that all the major news outlets that, you know, the previous generation grew up with are being broken down and undermined by cable networks and blogs.  And so now what you have are a lot of people who kind of get most of their political news from Jon Stewart.

And I think, in a way, it‘s fitting and it‘s good because these are sort of insane times that call for sort of vicious satire.  It‘s the only way to deal with some of the things we‘re seeing in Washington.

I mean, the danger is that everyone comes to believe that everything that happens in Washington is sort of buffoonery and that everyone in politics is an idiot and everything they say is dumb.  And I think it can kind of ingrain a sort of cynicism in people.  You know, in the 1960s in the sort of anti-war movement and countercultural movement, there was this incredible strain of idealism.  And I guess sort of the danger is, you know, to be kind of fuddy-duddy about it, that, you know, it etches a kind of cynicism in the people that the process is just hopeless and stupid and really just made for punchlines and nothing else.  And that could actually kind of turn people off.

SCARBOROUGH:  Laura, do you think that Michael has a point here, that that could actually drive down voting among young people, or does it get them more interested in the process?

SCHWARTZ:  You know, I think it makes them look a little human.  You know, we always feel like there‘s this barrier between us and the politician, and it‘s really tough for them to break that down in a normal day.  But when they‘re on Jon Stewart, I mean, you look at these politicians on Capitol Hill are granting him one-on-one interviews.  Same thing with Stephen Colbert.

I think it‘s a great way to reach that demographic.

SCARBOROUGH:  Well, John Edwards—didn‘t John Edwards launch his presidential campaign on Stewart‘s show?

SCHWARTZ:  Yes.  I mean, look at that.  I mean, even the politicians are giving it credence.  And I think the voters are, too.  Besides, it‘s a lot more entertaining than the nightly news.  It has a lot more fun to it than all the, you know, downward spiral of things.

SCARBOROUGH:  You know, it‘s interesting, Kinky Friedman, that, you know, when I go on Stephen Colbert or when I go on Bill Maher‘s show or even when Imus mentions me for two or three seconds in the morning, I have people—in fact, I had a guy come up to me this morning.  I was at breakfast, and the guy said—you know, started talking about Imus and started talking about you.  People are transfixed by celebrity.  It just works in politics, doesn‘t it.

FRIEDMAN:  Well, Joe, it‘s time to get some entertainment value back into politics.  I mean, these guys have humor bypasses.  They‘re afraid to crack a joke about anything.  And this doesn‘t make things very interesting.  And while we‘re at it, how about a little bit of truth?  I think the people are begging for the truth.

SCARBOROUGH:  And of course, that‘s great satire, does mix truth and humor.


SCARBOROUGH:  Kinky Friedman—thanks a lot.  And Kinky, come back with us.  I‘ll tell you what.  It looks like you may win this race, right?  I mean, things are looking good in the polls, aren‘t they.

FRIEDMAN:  Joe, it‘s looking great.  And one of these days, I‘m going to meet you.  You know, I‘m up here in New York and you‘re not here, so...

SCARBOROUGH:  I‘m in the Redneck Riviera (ph).  I‘ll tell you what. 

I‘d love to meet you in Texas...

FRIEDMAN:  We will.

SCARBOROUGH:  ... and we can talk about how Frenchmen like to eat dead horses, an issue that concerns you and me.

FRIEDMAN:  We‘ll do that.  That‘s right.  We‘ll drink some that tequila and smoke some cigars and we‘ll hang out with Willie.

SCARBOROUGH:  Hey, that sound great, baby.


SCARBOROUGH:  Isn‘t it time to get back to the basics of love (ph)?  Kinky Friedman, Laura Schwartz and Michael Crowley, thanks for being with us.

And coming up next: Actor Stephen Baldwin praying for his Hollywood co-stars.  The former bad boy tells us why Tom Cruise needs to find Jesus.  Plus, Duane “Dog” Chapman says he‘s a POW in the war on crime.  Now we‘ve got the footage of the bounty hunter‘s arrest last week.

And next, “Dateline” is back, and so are the perverts.  We have their latest child sex sting, and once again, these predators never seen seem to learn their lessons.  Plus, we‘ll show you Conan O‘Brien‘s take of the sting process himself.  That‘s when SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY returns.


SCARBOROUGH:  Welcome back.  Now, unless you‘ve been living on another planet for the past year, you‘ve probably seen “Dateline NBC‘s” on-line sex predator investigations.  It‘s where Chris Hansen and the “Dateline” team (INAUDIBLE) set up these sting operations across America.  And they‘ve busted dozens of potential Internet predators, and the popularity of these reports even spawned a spoof at last month‘s Emmy Awards.


CONAN O‘BRIEN, HOST:  Hello?  Anybody here?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I‘m Chris Hansen with “Dateline NBC.”

O‘BRIEN:  Oh, gosh.  OK.  Not what you think.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Welcome to another edition of “To Catch a Predator.”

O‘BRIEN:  I‘m looking for the Emmys.  I‘m hosting.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Hosting?  That‘s what you call it?

O‘BRIEN:  Yes, it‘s my second time.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  So you‘ve done this before?

O‘BRIEN:  Yes.  I did it one time and I liked it, and I thought I should do it again.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Of all the predators I‘ve met, this guy—screen name conebone69 -- was by far the creepiest.

O‘BRIEN:  This is kind of—you think it‘s—very easy to explain.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Explain it, then.



SCARBOROUGH:  Well, “Dateline” is at it again, and this time its serious business, with a brand-new investigation that airs Friday night where they manage to nab another parade of men, this time in Georgia.  And these guys were looking for sex with a teen.

Now, here‘s a sneak preview of the upcoming stunning report.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  (INAUDIBLE) clothes out so they don‘t wrinkle. 

Did you bring the (INAUDIBLE)?




UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  I can‘t wait to get my own pair.

CHRIS HANSEN, “DATELINE”:  You have a little shopping date planned this afternoon?



HANSEN:  And who are you taking shopping today?


HANSEN:  Natasha?


HANSEN:  And how did you meet Natasha?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Met her on line.

HANSEN:  On line.


HANSEN:  And how old do you think Natasha is?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I have no idea.

HANSEN:  You have no idea.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  No, sir.  We never discussed that.

HANSEN:  You never discussed it.  I‘m (ph) 15.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I‘m—I‘m—you don‘t have to go any further.  I understand.

HANSEN:  You talk about taking her out and buying her some boots.


HANSEN:  What‘s up with that?


HANSEN:  Shopping.  So you just found a 15-year-old girl on line, decide you‘re going to buy her a pair of leather boots that you want her to wear 24 hours a day, you say right here.  What was your plan here today?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Nothing.  No plan whatsoever.

HANSEN:  No plan whatsoever.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Just come to talk and everything.  Obviously, I need to go.

HANSEN:  But before you do go, I need to tell you one thing.  And that is, I‘m Chris Hansen with NBC News, and we‘re doing a story on adults who try to meet teens on line for sex.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Get on the ground!  Get on the ground now!

HANSEN:  What are you doing here today?


HANSEN:  You wouldn‘t going to do...


HANSEN:  ... anything?


HANSEN:  Well, who were you here to see?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I was going to meet her.  That‘s (INAUDIBLE)

HANSEN:  Meet who?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Your daughter.

HANSEN:  My daughter?


HANSEN:  What makes you think it‘s my daughter?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I don‘t want to destroy my life.

HANSEN:  Well, you made the decision to walk in here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I know, sir, but I wasn‘t going to do anything, I swear.

HANSEN:  That‘s not what it sounds like in this chat line.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Yes.  I was just fooling around, sir.

HANSEN:  Dan (ph), you‘re very sexy.  Do you have a boyfriend?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I know, sir.  Sorry.  Sorry.  Please.

HANSEN:  So you ever been with an old guy before?  No, I need you to stay in the chair, please.  Just—please.  Sit down, please.


HANSEN:  Married, looking for fun.  That‘s you, right?


HANSEN:  For a virgin to have sex, it hurts, so it‘s better if I put some extra lubricant.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Please, I wasn‘t going to do anything, I swear!  I was going to (INAUDIBLE) I cannot do it.

HANSEN:  Well, that‘s not consistent with what‘s here, page after page after page.


HANSEN:  You were going to tell her what, that all this sex talk was just play and...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  That I wasn‘t going to do it.  I have a daughter. 

She‘s my stepdaughter.

HANSEN:  How old is she?


HANSEN:  What do you think your stepdaughter would think about this?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Oh, she will kill me.  Please, sir.

HANSEN:  Your ex-wife, what does she think?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  She would kill me, too.  I would not never do it again.  Never.  I swear.  Just don‘t destroy my career.  I will get counseling, I swear.

HANSEN:  Counseling.


HANSEN:  Do you often chat with teenage girls on the Internet?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  No!  No, it‘s the first time.

HANSEN:  Why even enter into this discussion with somebody who says they‘re 14?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Sir, please.  Please!

HANSEN:  Rolando (ph), what should happen to you?


HANSEN:  Don‘t you see something wrong with...


HANSEN:  ... a grown adult, a sergeant in the Army, coming over to meet a 14-year-old girl?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I will get counseling, sir, I swear.

HANSEN:  Why should I believe that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I promise you with my life!

HANSEN:  Do you ever watch television?


HANSEN:  Do you ever watch “Dateline NBC”?


HANSEN:  You ever see the sexual predator show?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Yes.  I‘m not a predator, sir.

HANSEN:  I‘m Chris Hansen with “Dateline NBC,” and we‘re doing a story.


HANSEN:  Now, if there‘s anything else you‘d like to say...


HANSEN:  ... we‘d like to hear it.  Otherwise, you‘re free to walk right out of this house.


HANSEN:  Yes.  Absolutely.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Down~~!  All the way down.  Down, down, down.


SCARBOROUGH:  A long, lonely walk out that door.  You see that first guy?  He pulled a tractor-trailer up in front of the house!  That‘s subtle, very subtle.  You can catch the full “Dateline” investigation Friday night, of course, on “Dateline” on NBC.

And coming up next here, “Must See S.C.”  Plus, the bounty hunter busted.  We‘re going to show you just released footage of Duane “Dog” Chapman after his arrest last week.  You‘re not going to believe it.  And later: Will Nancy Grace be sued for her interview with a grieving mom who later committed suicide?  We‘re going to talk to the lawyer who won a similar suit against Jenny Jones for $25 million.  That‘s when SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY returns.


SCARBOROUGH:  Wake up Uncle Fester~!  It‘s time for a late-night edition of “Must See S.C.,” some video you just got to see.  First stop, President Bush made sure to stay clear of Iran‘s president this week at the United Nations, but the two just couldn‘t avoid each other during this battle of wits on the “Tonight” show last night.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Let‘s go current events for 300.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  OK.  The answer is Pluto.  Mahmoud?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  What is part of the word plutonium, which I know nothing about?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  No, that isn‘t correct.  Pluto.  President Bush?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  What is the Spanish word for pollute.  Polluto.


SCARBOROUGH:  And finally, Pope Benedict kicked up a firestorm this week by quoting an ancient Byzantine emperor when talking about Islam.  And as Jon Stewart can tell you, that‘s never, never a good thing to do.


STEWART:  By the way, you‘ll notice the pope did not directly criticize Islam.  He simply quoted a Byzantine emperor doing so.  I‘ve actually used that a couple of times myself.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Byzantine emperor Manuel Paleologos II said that, when he said, I‘m banging your sister.

STEWART:  (INAUDIBLE) I was just quoting (INAUDIBLE)  I was quoting Paleologos!

Doesn‘t often work out.  So...


SCARBOROUGH:  All right, got to mark that one off my list.  Still ahead, new calls for CNN to fire Nancy Grace as she continues to attack a grieving mom who committed suicide.  We‘re going to show you the tape and let you decide.  Plus, What do Tom Cruise and Rosie O‘Donnell have in common?  Born-again actor Stephen Baldwin (INAUDIBLE) praying for both of them.  Stick around.  SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY returns.



SCARBOROUGH:  Coming up, is Bono‘s third-world relief doing more harm than good?  Actor Stephen Baldwin tells us about his controversial critique of the rock star and why he‘s playing for Hollywood stars.

Plus, new footage of Dog Duane Chapman‘s arrest.  For the first time, we‘ll show you what really happened behind the scenes when cops came calling for the bounty hunter. 

Welcome back to SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY.  We have those stories and a lot more straight ahead. 

But first, Grace under fire.  Nancy Grace steps up her campaign against a mom who committed suicide after being grilled on her show.  Now, thousands are demanding that CNN fire the controversial TV host, according to Orlando‘s WKMG, and “Maxim” magazine readers, who voted Grace television‘s least appealing lady.  Let‘s watch the interview Grace decided to run even after she found out that the young mom was dead. 


NANCY GRACE, CNN HOST:  I did not go after Melinda Duckett.  Correction:  Melinda Duckett refused to answer questions to either myself or police about her child‘s whereabouts.  It is highly likely he is dead now because of that. 


SCARBOROUGH:  Nancy Grace, obviously trying to cover her backside, and for good reason.  She could possibly be sued.  Now, she didn‘t end right there.  Night after night, Grace has continued to go after the dead mother.  Take a look at this footage. 


GRACE:  The reality is this child statistically is very well dead.  And for that mother not to cooperate and not to give a time line doesn‘t make sense to me. 

When you take a look at the mom‘s musings about guns, funerals—of course, we can‘t confirm these.  She‘s dead and gone now.

It‘s very hard to imagine getting a baby through from here to here. 

It‘s very difficult to conceive of that. 

And some late news that we got.  They‘ve actually encountered either a croc or an alligator in that neck of the woods, I would guess an alligator. 

There were reports today in local media that a box of trash bags had been found in Melinda Duckett‘s home, that only two were missing, and the rest were thrown away.  The police will not confirm that.


SCARBOROUGH:  And of course, this drumbeat goes on and on and on.  Here now is defense attorney Geoffrey Fieger.  Geoffrey, of course, won $25 million for the family of a man who was killed after a “Jenny Jones” show.  We have clinical psychologist Andrea Macari, who often appears on “Nancy Grace.”  Also with us, media analyst Steve Adubato.  He‘s also the author of “Make the Connection.”

And, Steve, I‘ve got to start with you.  Nancy Grace, this woman has absolutely no shame.  But at what point does CNN step in and tell her—I mean, this is a place with a lot of great journalists.  When do they finally say, “Enough is enough.  This lady has got to stop going on the air, trying to cover her backside, suggesting that this lady fed her baby to alligators or threw the baby away in a trash bag”?  When does that happen?

STEVE ADUBATO, MEDIA ANALYST:  Steve, I have to tell you, we were on a few nights ago when this whole thing broke, and I was very critical of Nancy grace.  I said she interrogated this 21-year-old very vulnerable woman.  Who knows whether she had anything to do with her baby‘s disappearance or not?

But here‘s my problem:  I never thought, Joe, that Nancy Grace would go on, night after night, prosecuting the case, defending herself.  Have you no shame, Nancy?  What is wrong with you?  No remorse, any sense of sensitivity, any concern for these people.  It is the job of prosecutors, police officers, psychologists, not the job of Nancy Grace to interrogate, prosecute this woman on the air.  I‘m normal blaming her, Joe, but CNN has to do something now. 

SCARBOROUGH:  They do.  And Nancy Grace likes to go on acting like the prosecutor, like, you know, America‘s justice system depends on her. 

ADUBATO:  Get a sitcom. 

SCARBOROUGH:  Well, if Nancy Grace is so sure that this lady is the killer, the lady‘s dead.  Justice is done, if that‘s what Nancy Grace really believes.  But all she‘s doing every night is torturing this young woman‘s parents who have said they‘re going through a living hell.  How can CNN sit back and allow her to do this, night after night after night? 

ADUBATO:  You know, the way I look at this, Joe, is all of us in the media business, particularly in the 24-7 cable news business, it‘s intense competition.  I said this before the last time I was on, I‘ll say it again. 

Yes, we all want ratings.  But some of us, hopefully most of us, Nancy Grace, have a line, and you have crossed over it so clearly, to go after these ratings, that night after night you prosecute this case.  CNN has to stop her.  CNN has to apologize to the family. 

This is not the role of a TV journalist, a talk show host.  She should go back either into the courtroom or get a sitcom acting like a prosecutor.  She‘s out of control. 

GRACE:  And, Geoffrey Fieger, of course, you respected a client who obviously faced tragedy, the family faced tragedy on Jenny Jones‘ show, led to a death.  They ended up suing and got a $25 million verdict.  Could Nancy Grace possibly find herself in a similar situation? 

GEOFFREY FIEGER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY:  Yes, if it‘s ever determine that the mother had nothing to do with the child‘s disappearance.  If the family came to me, Joe, I would not hesitate to do something with Nancy Grace. 

But you have to remember:  Nancy Grace is an entertainer.  She thinks she‘s a prosecutor now; she thinks she‘s a policewoman, but she‘s an entertainer.  And she‘s singularly responsible for CNN Headline News picking up substantial ratings.  So they‘re not likely to do anything. 

Perhaps shame would affect her, but I don‘t think the rather Welch statement to McCarthy means anything to her, and frankly I‘m not even sure she knows the history of “Have you no shame?” which is an appropriate admonition to her. 

SCARBOROUGH:  Yes.  You say she‘s an entertainer, and yet a woman may be dead tonight because of an interview.

ADUBATO:  Pretty funny.

SCARBOROUGH:  And also, on top of that, she‘s putting her parents, the woman‘s parents and family, through a living, breathing hell every single night. 

FIEGER:  Well, that‘s right, because we have an entertainer who actually thinks that she‘s a prosecutor, and thinks she‘s a policewoman, and thinks that she has the license to do things that she doesn‘t have the license to do.  IN other words, she has no shame. 

There are no boundaries any more.  And the only thing that would really teach here, or in this case CNN, a lesson is to make them pay a whole, great deal of money.  But, again, that won‘t happen unless and until it‘s established that the mother had nothing to do with it. 

Because God forbid, but if the mother did have something to do with the child‘s disappearance, then Nancy Grace will be on a soapbox the size of Mount Everest.

ADUBATO:  That‘s not the issue, Joe, and I know we have... 


ADUBATO:  ... this is not about entertainment.  If, in fact, Nancy Grace, Geoffrey, is an entertainer, CNN should not be called the Cable News Network.  We should say a news network, and she‘s an...


ADUBATO:  Oh, come on, you can‘t get away with that.

FIEGER:  Her segment is not news.

SCARBOROUGH:  And let me bring in Andrea right now.  Andrea, you know what?  My problem is this:  Maybe Nancy Grace is right.  Maybe this mother did something to her child.  But she doesn‘t know that any more than you know that or I know that.  So why does she keep going after this dead woman every night?

ANDREA MACARI, INSTRUCTOR OF PSYCHOLOGY:  I have to say, I‘m sitting here and I‘m fuming on the inside, because I think this story is another case of how the media is so ignorant when it comes to mental illness.  Nancy Grace didn‘t cause this woman‘s suicide; untreated mental illness did. 

ADUBATO:  Did she help? 

MACARI:  You know, each year, over 500,000 people kill themselves. 

Are you guys going to tell me that all of them were Nancy Grace guests?

ADUBATO:  Joe, what a joke.  Listen...

MACARI:  No, you people don‘t know what you‘re talking about.

ADUBATO:  Let me ask—if, in fact, this woman had a mental problem, did the producers of Nancy Grace‘s program have any responsibility to deal with a 21-year-old woman who lost her baby and ask themselves, “Should we have a psychologist talk to her before we put her on the air?”  You tell me. 

MACARI:  You tell me what world, what TV show does that?  We know that doesn‘t happen. 

ADUBATO:  What world has Nancy Grace interrogating people on the air?


MACARI:  You had your time to speak.

SCARBOROUGH:  Andrea, hold on a second.  Andrea, let me tell you about a TV show that would do that or at least wouldn‘t do what Nancy Grace did.  This TV show wouldn‘t.  If I had a woman who had lost—and I think everybody who I work with at MSNBC and almost everybody else at CNN and FOX—if there were a woman that had just lost her child, I wouldn‘t beat the hell out of her on national television, and I don‘t think many other people would.  Do you think, Andrea, that that is acceptable behavior? 

MACARI:  I don‘t Nancy did anything different than any other host does.  In fact, I think that she does it better than most of you people do.

SCARBOROUGH:  No, that‘s just not true. 

MACARI:  And I have to say that for there are many predictors of suicide, and most of them are unreliable.  We know most people who kill themselves are depressed.  They‘ve engaged in self-injurious behaviors, and they feel hopeless.  Nancy Grace is not a warning sign for suicide. 

ADUBATO:  Did she help this woman?

MACARI:  You know what?  Many parents of missing kids would have killed to have that opportunity to have this media coverage to bring those children home. 

ADUBATO:  Did Nancy Grace help this woman?  Did Nancy Grace help this woman?

MACARI:  She allowed for a forum for that mother to help find that kid.  That‘s...

FIEGER:  Actually, Joe...


SCARBOROUGH:  That sure didn‘t sound like what Grace was doing here.  Hey, we got to leave.  I‘ve got to tell you, though, it sure didn‘t sound like that‘s how the interview was going.  We‘re going to bring you all back tomorrow night.  There‘s a lot more on this.  Geoffrey Fieger, Andrea Macari, and Steve Adubato, as always, thank you so much for being with us. 

I just cannot believe that story, and I can‘t believe she continues to beat up on this lady knowing, obviously, that she‘s dead and that she‘s causing her family so much grief.  What‘s it gain her? 

Coming up next, actor Stephen Baldwin takes on former co-star Tom Cruise and Scientology, among others.  Will he ever be able to work in Hollywood again, and does he care?  We‘ll ask him next.

And later, “Saturday Night Live” loses some of its top stars.  Who‘s in?  Who‘s out?  And most importantly, who‘s actually funny?


SCARBOROUGH:  Late last week, TV bounty hunter Dog Chapman was busted in Hawaii on charges related to his 2003 capture of cosmetic heir Andrew Luster.  Now for the first time, we‘re seeing the intense, frantic drama that played out in the moments after Dog‘s arrest.  Take a look. 


UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Put your hands behind your back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  And they start banging on the door, kind of like how we bang on our doors real hard, and the whole house shook.  Boom, boom, boom. 

BETH SMITH, WIFE OF DOG CHAPMAN:  I opened the door, and there was all these men at my door.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Beth awakens her husband gently to tell him about the visitors. 

DUANE “DOG” CHAPMAN, BOUNTY HUNTER:  She said, “Honey, the federal marshals are here, and they‘ve got a warrant for your arrest.”  And I‘m like, “No.  You know, my taxes are being paid.  What‘s going on?”  Right, you‘re tying to—what have I done? 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Shortly after, her husband is escorted away by U.S. marshals.  Beth, still in shock, springs into action.  Just as she had done when Dog was in Mexico, Beth immediately turns to the media and talk show host Rita Cosby. 

SMITH:  Not yet, Rita.  Just break the story, break it.

RITA COSBY, HOST:  And I remember getting the call, and I said, “Come again?  Can you repeat that?”  I thought I misheard her when she said that U.S. marshals broke down the door. 

And you could tell Beth was just devastated, heartbroken, confused, stunned, and no doubt extremely angry. 

Duane “Dog” Chapman, of course, the star of the very popular show, “Dog the Bounty Hunter,” also his son, Leland Chapman was just...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  In just a few moments, news of Dog‘s arrest is broadcast on Rita‘s show.  Beth gets on the phone live. 

SMITH:  I‘m going on the air. 

COSBY:  And, in fact, joining us right now on the phone is Beth Chapman. 

SMITH:  This is not the message that we should be sending anybody, that you can flee to Mexico and hide from your crimes there. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Cosby says viewer response is immediate and overwhelming. 

COSBY:  Within about a 12-hour period, I did two blogs, and we had more than a million hits almost immediately on those two blogs.  And virtually every single one of the responses were, “Please free Dog.  This man is a hero.  Get him out.”


SCARBOROUGH:  Now, that‘s part of an A&E special that‘s going to be airing on that network all weekend.  It was on last night.  They‘re going to keep running it this weekend. 

Now, you probably remember actor Stephen Baldwin for his performances in such hits as “Biodome.”  Take a look. 


PAULEY SHORE, ACTOR:  Iron man, Iron man, does whatever an iron can. 

Take it back.  Take it back. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  That‘s Spiderman.  Black Sabbath did “Iron Man.”

SHORE:  Oh, come on, what do you think, you‘re so smart?  What, do you think you‘re some rocket scientist? 


SHORE:  Sorry. 


SCARBOROUGH:  He‘s come a long way in 10 years.  These days, he‘s making headlines praying for Tom Cruise and trying to close down porn shops.  He‘s also author of a new book, “The Unusual Suspect: My Calling to the New Hardcore Movement of Faith.”  And he‘s also starting his own ministry in the coming year. 

I asked Stephen why he wrote the book. 


STEPHEN BALDWIN, ACTOR:  Well, I wrote the book because a lot of my friends and family were saying, “Stephen, you‘re having so much fun with your new born-again experience, we think you ought to put it into your own words, and put it out there about your experience, and see what people think.” 

SCARBOROUGH:  You say your family and friends actually encouraged you to do this, but so many times people I know that convert to Christianity and really dive in, you know, head-first usually get a lot of grief from their friends and their family members.  Was that not the case with you? 

BALDWIN:  Well, certainly, with the understanding I have now, based on my faith, and Christianity, and all that, particularly being born-again, it‘s a little bit more of a hardcore way of walking the walk, there are some friends of mine that have kind of stepped away, but my family has been great, very respectful, very positive, very supportive. 

SCARBOROUGH:  The famed Baldwin brothers are standing shoulder-to-shoulder in your conversion to Christianity? 

BALDWIN:  Absolutely.  And you know what they say, Joe.  They say that the last shall be first and the first shall be last. 

SCARBOROUGH:  Anybody that‘s been in Hollywood and knows the business, who have been there for more than two minutes knows what you‘re doing is very radical.  How are your former peers in Hollywood dealing with this?  Are they embracing it?  Do they think you‘ve gone off the deep end?  Are they worried for you?  Do they think that you‘re like a Christian version of Tom Cruise? 

BALDWIN:  Well, I don‘t think I‘m—I‘m not planning on jumping on any couches any time soon, brother.  But if the Lord told me to, I would.  But, no, hey, listen, I think Tom Cruise is an amazing human being.  He‘s a great talent.  He‘s done a lot of wonderful things for the movie business. 

Tom Cruise is probably looking at the best days of his life coming up, with this beautiful new baby, and Katie, and his upcoming marriage.  I mean, he‘s got the best years ahead of him, man.  He‘s totally blessed.  I‘m praying that God will continue to move in his life and bless him and his family and all of that.  I think that that‘s going to be very helpful and beneficial. 

But for the rest of Hollywood, I‘m not trying to force anything on anybody.  I think people, having seen my films that I‘ve done in the past, they already kind of thought I was a little bit of a wild man to begin with.  Now I‘ve got Jesus.  I‘m willing to bet now they‘re really scared of me. 

But obviously, Joe, I‘m doing this.  And what I‘m trying to do is communicate the message of the gospel in a way that‘s more culturally relevant by making it fun.  Being a Christian doesn‘t mean you can‘t have fun, so that‘s the thing I‘m trying to communicate. 

SCARBOROUGH:  Thanks so much, Stephen.  We greatly appreciate it.  The name of the book, “The Unusual Suspect: My Calling to the New Hardcore Movement of Faith.”  Thank you so much, Stephen Baldwin.  As always, we really do appreciate it.

BALDWIN:  Thank you, Joe.


SCARBOROUGH:  And coming up next, Tiger Woods, hot and bothered over a naked picture that somebody claimed was of his wife.  Wake up your caddy.  We‘re going to “Hollyweird.”


SCARBOROUGH:  Gas up the Bentley.  It‘s time to take a trip to “Hollyweird.”

First up, if you‘ve dreamed of getting close to Paula Abdul but you don‘t quite have the pipes to make it on “American Idol,” there‘s an auction on eBay for you.  A charity is offering up a weekend with the “Idol” judge.  Opening bids:  $25,000. 

Here now to talk about it, from “Star” magazine, Jill Dobson, and the host of “The Chelsea Handler Show” on E!, the appropriately named Chelsea Handler.  She‘s also the author of “My Horizontal Life.” 



SCARBOROUGH:  I‘ve just never been better, $25,000 bucks and I can hang with Paula Abdul.  Do I have to bring the Xanax and Jack Daniels? 

HANDLER:  No, I think it sounds like they‘ll probably provide that for you and a whole lot more, maybe some ecstasy, an eight-ball, and a head examination.

SCARBOROUGH:  That sounds awesome.  Hey, so tell me, Chelsea, how high do you think this bid may go?  It starts at $25,000.  Do you think this thing may go up to $50,000, $100,000 for the big celeb? 

HANDLER:  Well, depending on whether Paula Abdul is allowed to bid for herself, it could go through the roof.  So we‘ll see what happens.  I mean, I hope it doesn‘t go higher than $25,000, because that means people are really, really desperate to have an OK time. 

SCARBOROUGH:  Yes, just an OK time from what we hear from everybody that works with her on “American Idol.”  Let‘s talk to you also...

HANDLER:  Exactly.  Probably neither one of them will remember, also, so you probably wouldn‘t bring a video camera.

SCARBOROUGH:  Probably not.  And, Chelsea, while we‘re with you, let‘s talk about Tiger Woods.  He‘s on the attack.  He‘s upset with an Irish tabloid that printed nude photos of a woman that said it was Tiger‘s wife.  It turns out the photos are three years old and fake.  Do you think Tiger is going to sue? 

HANDLER:  Oh, they are fake.  I was going to say, you know what?  This is a total glass half-empty, half-full situation where he should be more excited about the controversy, knowing that, you know, men all over the world, never mind the country, are actually having sexual fantasies about his wife.  I think that‘s fabulous news for any man.

SCARBOROUGH:  So you‘re saying that, if somebody prints photos of your wife naked, that you should look on the bright side of life and say, “This is not all negative”? 

HANDLER:  I think that‘s a reason to celebrate, Joe.

SCARBOROUGH:  A reason to celebrate.

Do you think, Jill Dobson, that Tiger may be following Chelsea‘s advice and just actually looking—you know, saying, “Hey, let‘s be sunny about this”? 

JILL DOBSON, “STAR” MAGAZINE:  No, not at all.  Tiger came out today and said, “This is unacceptable.  My wife has modeled, and she‘s modeled swimsuits, but she has never posed nude.  And that‘s just not cool.”  And what the Irish paper did was a columnist wrote this scathing article and just said, “Oh, these wives of golf players just can‘t keep their clothes on, and she‘s a prime example.”  And this poor girl never did anything wrong.  Someone on the Internet took a nude person and put her face on it, and this guy just totally fell for it, hook, line and sinker, and then wrote a scathing article about her.  I actually feel bad for her.  She didn‘t do anything.

SCARBOROUGH:  I know.  And I hate when people...

HANDLER:  I don‘t think we should judge people who are taking their clothes off on the Internet anyway.  I mean, it‘s only bad if you think it‘s bad.  I mean, everybody‘s doing it now, so even if she did, did it, I would still think of her in the same light. 

SCARBOROUGH:  You‘re just not going to judge her, are you?  Now, there are big changes coming to “Saturday Night Live” today.  Today NBC confirmed that Chris Parnell, Horatio Sanz, and Finesse Mitchell aren‘t returning this season.  Big news at the Peacock.  Chelsea, what‘s your take? 

HANDLER:  Well, I mean, I feel badly because those guys had a great deal.  They got like three minutes of airtime a week and got paid like, what, $75,000?  I mean, if we‘re going on that pay rate, then, Joe, you know me a lot of money. 

SCARBOROUGH:  I do owe you a lot of money.  And, Chelsea, thank God that we only have about 15 seconds left, because I just can‘t afford your wage. 

HANDLER:  I know.  Thank God for you.

SCARBOROUGH:  Yes, I know.  Well, you know what?  Let‘s go ahead and say good night to my man, the Hoff.


DAVID HASSELHOFF, ACTOR (singing):  Jump in my car.  I want to take you home.




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