updated 9/29/2006 11:36:41 AM ET 2006-09-29T15:36:41

Guests: Steve Adubato, Phil Bronstein, Robin Hazelwood

JOE SCARBOROUGH, HOST:  Right now in SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY, Fox News‘s top dog accuses Bill Clinton of launching an all-out assault on journalists.  But he former president gets unlikely support from “America‘s mayor,” Rudy Giuliani.  Our star panel debates the fall-out from the Clinton clash.

Also, a deadly attack against Americans in Iraq all caught on tape.  Did U.S. troops leave Americans to die?  It‘s an NBC‘s special investigation.

Plus, “Dateline‘s” latest shocking sex sting.  Tonight, an exclusive first look at predators acting more brazen than ever.  And “The Daily Show‘s” Jon Stewart takes on CNN, and friends, believe me, it gets ugly fast.

Welcome to SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY.  No passport required, no (INAUDIBLE) journalists allowed.

We‘ve got that and a lot more tonight.  But first, a fiery Fox reaction to Bill Clinton‘s stormy “Fox News Sunday” performance from Fox News chief Roger Ailes, who called President Clinton‘s reaction to the Chris Wallace interview, quote, “an assault on all journalists.”  The Fox News boss went on to say, quote, “if you can‘t sit there and answer a question from a professional, mild-mannered, respectful reporter, then the hatred for journalists is showing.  All journalists need to raise their eyebrows and say, Hold on a second.”

Meanwhile, former Fox Newsman turned press secretary Tony Snow chimed in, putting the blame for 9/11 on Bill Clinton.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TONY SNOW, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY:  In short, there was a gathering threat.  In those years, bin Laden noticed that the United States had, in fact, been cutting back dramatically on intelligence assets and on military assets.  As a matter of fact, even with the build-up since September 11, we are only now beginning to achieve the same sort of levels that we had in terms of intelligence assets that we had at the beginning of the Clinton administration.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCARBOROUGH:  Boy, it‘s getting nasty out there, one administration pointing at another administration.  But later, Bill Clinton picked up an unlikely ally in the form of former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani, the guy who ran against Hillary Clinton for a while in 2000.  He told reporters it was unfair to blame the former president for 9/11.

So in this battle of political heavyweights, who‘s right, Bill Clinton or Fox News?  With us now to break down the latest that‘s been happening today, executive vice president and editor of “The San Francisco Chronicle” Phil Bronstein.  Also, political analyst Lawrence O‘Donnell.  He‘s also the former executive producer of “The West Wing.”  We also have with us media analyst Steve Adubado, the author of “Make the Connection.”

Lawrence, let me start with you.  Does Fox News have it right?  Did Bill Clinton‘s reaction amount to an assault on all journalists?

LAWRENCE O‘DONNELL, FORMER “WEST WING” EXEC. PRODUCER:  Well, we all know what Roger was doing today.

SCARBOROUGH:  What‘s that?

O‘DONNELL:  Roger got the biggest—he got the biggest rating that that program has ever gotten by having Bill Clinton on on Sunday.  So now we‘ve made it to Thursday.  We‘ve got another Sunday show coming up, and Roger is doing whatever he can to get Chris Wallace some more viewers for Sunday.  That‘s all that is.

You know, Roger says, If you can‘t sit there and answer the questions

that‘s exactly what Bill Clinton did.  He answered those questions, and he answered them like no one‘s ever answered them before.

SCARBOROUGH:  Well, Lawrence, did he overreact, though?  I mean, he accused Chris Wallace of setting him up, of sandbagging him.  I mean, it was a pretty aggressive response.  And what Roger Ailes is saying, I guess, is that the president didn‘t respond in a professional, appropriate manner.

O‘DONNELL:  Oh, I think he responded in a very appropriate manner. 

And the deal was it‘s a 15-minute interview...

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH:  Was it a legitimate question he asked?

O‘DONNELL:  Oh, absolutely.  But the deal was—and I think this is what really did anger Clinton, was that the deal was 15 minutes, half of it will be spent on the Clinton Global Initiative, then anything else you want.  About three minutes in, Chris Wallace switches to this, and I could see Clinton getting angry about that because he had more to say about CGI, about Clinton Global Initiative.  So yes, he was angry about it.  And then he‘d had a pent-up anger about the questions that had been arising because of the ABC “Path to 9/11” show that was trying to lay more blame on him than George Bush.

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH:  ... was all building up, obviously, been building up...

O‘DONNELL:  Yes, it was building up.  And he had...

SCARBOROUGH:  ... from ABC, and then -

O‘DONNELL:  ... something to say.

SCARBOROUGH:  And then Fox...

O‘DONNELL:  He really had something to say, and he said it.

SCARBOROUGH:  Steve, let me bring you in here.  Do you think that Roger Ailes was on target when he said that this was an assault on journalists?

STEVE ADUBADO, MEDIA ANALYST:  No doubt about it.  And it does matter whether it was Fox and it doesn‘t matter whether it was Chris Wallace.  It could have been Mike Wallace.  It could have been you.  The bottom line is, when Bill Clinton reaches across and is actually putting his hands on Chris Wallace‘s notes and turns and says, You are basically a hound dog, a hatchet dog for Fox, and he accuses him of trying to sandbag him—

Lawrence, you know better than anyone else, there are no embarrassing questions, there are only embarrassing answers.  And that was, in fact, said by Mike Wallace.  It was an embarrassment on the president‘s part.  And how is it sandbagging someone to ask him direct questions about Osama bin Laden?  It was inappropriate.

And because it‘s Fox—he look, guys, let‘s be honest about this.  Because it is Fox—and I‘ve done some work, I‘ve been on the air for them, as well.  But here‘s the thing.  Because it is Fox, no one is going to come to their rescue in the mainstream media and say that they were treated or Wallace was treated poorly because it is Fox.  But if were you, Joe, or if it were Brian Williams, I‘m not sure that Lawrence O‘Donnell would be saying that right now.

SCARBOROUGH:  Phil Bronstein...

O‘DONNELL:  I would be saying it.

SCARBOROUGH:  Phil, did you consider the Clinton response to be dangerous or it may have a chilling attack on reporters?

PHIL BRONSTEIN, “SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE”:  I‘ve just been put in the position by your previous guest, if I don‘t defend Fox...

(LAUGHTER)

BRONSTEIN:  But let me—because Roger said so—let me raise my eyebrow.  There it is.

(LAUGHTER)

SCARBOROUGH:  OK.  It‘s been raised.  We have noted that.  Now launch, baby!

BRONSTEIN:  The fact is, is that this is entertainment, OK?  If you get information out of these interviews, great.  We‘re claiming to know what was in Bill Clinton‘s mind.  Bill Clinton is claiming to know what was in Chris Wallace‘s mind.  Tony Snow is claiming to know what was in Osama bin Laden‘s mind.  You know, the fact is, none of these people know what was in the other person‘s mind.

I‘ve seen President Bush in both an interview standing up with Wolf Blitzer and with Matt Lauer—Matt Lauer apparently asked him afterwards, said to him, I thought you were going to go after me.  You know, these are two aggressive people who are leaders of the free world, who feel very strongly about their points of view.  And it‘s entertainment.  So we are, in fact, doing the same thing.

SCARBOROUGH:  And you know what?  Speaking of Matt Lauer, let‘s show that clip because it brings up another point.  We‘ve asked the first question: Did Roger Ailes and Fox News overreact.  The next question is, Did Bill Clinton overreact when he—I mean, let‘s—let‘s put this in perspective.  Let‘s look at Matt Lauer when he went after the current president a few weeks back.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GEORGE WALKER BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:  My job is to protect this country, Matt, and I‘m going to within the law .

MATT LAUER, CO-HOST, “TODAY” SHOW:  It‘s been reported that with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, he was what they call water-boarded.

BUSH:  I‘m not going to talk about techniques that we use on people.  You said to me—you said to me, How can we be assured you‘re doing everything it takes to protect the American people?  And I‘m saying to you, we‘re listening to al Qaeda, if they‘re calling this country.  And some people want to get rid of that program.  We‘ve eliminated the laws.  Let me finish.  But one of the—the best source, according to those who are on the front lines of protecting the American people...

LAUER:  If that was legal and within the law, why couldn‘t you do it at Guantanamo?  Why did you have to go to a secret location around the world?

BUSH:  Now, I‘m not going to talk about techniques and I‘m not going to explain to the enemy what we‘re doing.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCARBOROUGH:  You know, Lawrence, that looks pretty tough.  I mean,

Matt Lauer weighed in, and as Phil said, Matt thought that he was going to

that Bush was going to go after him during that interview.  I mean, it seems fair game, right?

O‘DONNELL:  Yes.  Listen, Bush was giving full-blooded responses, you know, just the way Clinton was.  These guys should get angry.  There‘s no reason why a president shouldn‘t show that he‘s angry about a certain issue or...

ADUBADO:  That‘s not what happened.

O‘DONNELL:  There‘s nothing wrong with that.

ADUBADO:  Lawrence, that‘s not what happened.  And listen, I‘m not here to apologize or to defend Bush or whatever.  But I‘ll tell you what.  The difference is, George Bush was trying to defend his position and did it very assertively and aggressively with Matt.  The difference was—and you know it—Bill Clinton was out of control because he was challenging the premise of the question.  He was saying, Why don‘t you ask other people this question?  You know that you‘re just an attack dog for Fox.  He wasn‘t answering the question.

And by the way, to your point, Lawrence...

O‘DONNELL:  He did answer the question!

ADUBADO:  ... that he wanted to get onto the Global Initiative,

Lawrence—the reason Chris Wallace—and I watched the whole interview -

wasn‘t able to get to the Global Initiative—and you know it! -- was because Bill Clinton couldn‘t figure out how to get off of his point and repeat himself over and over again.  That‘s why it never got over to the Global Initiative.

SCARBOROUGH:  Well, and Lawrence, I want to weigh in on Bill Clinton.  Of course, I don‘t know—as Phil said, I don‘t know what Bill Clinton was thinking, but I know he‘s a heck of a politician, and I know he excited the Democratic base this past week like no politician has since—oh, gee, I don‘t know—Bill Clinton in 2000 when he went after Fox News.  Could it have just been staged?

O‘DONNELL:  I think to a certain extent it was, and his spokesman has said that he went in there kind of loaded for this kind of thing.  And I think...

ADUBADO:  What kind of thing?

O‘DONNELL:  ... Bill Clinton did want—taking on Fox News specifically.  With or without provocation, I think Bill Clinton was going to do that.  And so...

ADUBADO:  Wait!  What kind of thing?  You get asked a question, and you go in there, say, I‘m going to attack you, no matter who you are and how you conduct yourself.

O‘DONNELL:  That whole thing he was doing—that whole thing he was doing about the Republican bias of Fox News—I think that was something he did want to do in that interview.

ADUBADO:  OK.  That‘s fine.  But the problem is—and with all due respect to Phil, he said it‘s all show business.  I respect what you‘re saying, Phil, but here‘s my way I look it.  Yes, it kind of is, but some of us actually take journalism seriously.  I‘m sure you do, too.  It‘s not show business for me.

BRONSTEIN:  Well, it‘s—the fact is, is that this is politics.  Some of politics is entertainment.  Some of politics is show business.  And the reality is, is that, you know, you ask aggressive questions.  And we‘re saying what, we‘re shocked that there‘s gambling in Casablanca.

(LAUGHTER)

BRONSTEIN:  The president of the United States and all politicians react with emotion, whether it‘s staged, whether it‘s not staged.  I frankly—I think it‘s—you know, it‘s all good theater, and sometimes it actually produces good journalism.

SCARBOROUGH:  Hey, Phil, speaking of good theater, Jon Stewart focused on the media‘s—well, the media‘s focus on this Clinton versus Fox smackdown.  Take a look at this, and then I want you to respond.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JON STEWART, “THE DAILY SHOW”:  Angry Clinton, informational Clinton. 

I wonder which one the media focused on?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  ... Bill Clinton.  Clinton became combative over the weekend...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  ... became very combative during the interview...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  ... very combative Fox News interview...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  The former president was furious!  He seemed to go on overload.  It was—it seemed like a complete meltdown.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  I was really taken aback that he lost it.

STEWART:  Really?  Who the (DELETED) you?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCARBOROUGH:  Hey, Phil!  He made your point, didn‘t he.  I mean...

BRONSTEIN:  He did.

SCARBOROUGH:  ... it‘s John Lennon saying, it‘s all showbiz.

BRONSTEIN:  You know, the reason why Jon Stewart is so popular is because he takes—he never takes public officials at their word.  Doesn‘t matter whether they‘re Democrats or Republicans.  That‘s why we love watching him.

SCARBOROUGH:  Yes, and I want to—I want to get a quick vote from you all, because I think it‘s a 2-to-1 vote right now on whether Roger Ailes is right or not.  Did Bill Clinton overreact to the question?  Let‘s get a quick runthrough.  Steve, you think he did, didn‘t you.

ADUBADO:  A thousand percent.  And Chris Wallace asked—and not just what he asked, but he asked in a reasonable, respectful tone, and he wasn‘t engaging in the histrionics and insanity and show business that Phil talks about.

SCARBOROUGH:  And this is coming, actually, from—Steve, I think, is center-left.  I‘ll ask you the same thing, Lawrence, do you think Bill Clinton overreacted to that question?

O‘DONNELL:  I think Chris Wallace did a good job.  I think Bill Clinton did a good job.

SCARBOROUGH:  I think they‘re both big boys.  I agree with you.  What about you, Phil?

BRONSTEIN:  Overreacted compared to what?

O‘DONNELL:  Exactly.

SCARBOROUGH:  Well, was it an appropriate response to the question?

BRONSTEIN:  I think for him, it was appropriate.  And you know, I think presidents and ex-presidents have probably lost it many times.  Now it‘s just on TV, and we‘re still talking about it.

SCARBOROUGH:  You know what‘s interesting?  I‘m going to show you guys a clip.  I remember back—watching this—famous “60 Minutes” clip when Chris Wallace‘s father asked Nancy Reagan, the former first lady, about Ronald Reagan making I think $3 million in a Japanese speech.  This is the question he asked.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

NANCY REAGAN, FORMER FIRST LADY:  It is for everybody who goes there, which you probably know.  Now, you really didn‘t need that question.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCARBOROUGH:  You guys remember that?  Phil, you remember that?  Nancy Reagan had been a lifelong friend with Mike Wallace, and she stopped talking to him after that.

BRONSTEIN:  That was a brushback pitch, definitely.

(LAUGHTER)

SCARBOROUGH:  It was a brushback!

ADUBADO:  Icy stare, Joe.

SCARBOROUGH:  That is an icy stare, and I would not want to get an icy stare from Nancy Reagan.  Hey, thanks a lot, Phil.  Greatly appreciate it.

BRONSTEIN:  Thanks.

SCARBOROUGH:  Lawrence and Steve, great debate.

Coming up next: There‘s an inflatable pool and tropical drinks, but this ain‘t no party, it‘s another “Dateline” predator sting.  An NBC exclusive straight ahead, and you won‘t believe who they snag.  Plus, did U.S. troops leave Americans to die during an insurgent ambush?  It‘s a special NBC investigation.  Plus, Pat Buchanan on contractors, waste and corruption in Iraq and how it‘s causing you money and American lives.  And later, a former supermodel shows us the dark side of modeling, where runway stars stay thin on a diet of cigarettes, coffee and cocaine.  Man, that sounds like MSNBC cameramen!  How it‘s affecting Hollywood and American girls straight ahead.

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SCARBOROUGH:  Welcome back.  “Dateline NBC” debuts another parade of on-line sex predators tomorrow night.  Now, this time, “Dateline” set up a shop in northern California, and their sex sting operation nabbed almost 30 men who were targeting young teens over the Internet.  The entire “Dateline” investigation is going to air tomorrow night, but we have an exclusive first look for you right now.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Hey, I made some frozen lemonade.  Sit down. 

I‘m going to go get on my swimsuit.  Is that OK?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Sure.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Yes.  OK, pour me a drink.  So what do you want to do?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Let‘s see how it goes, yes?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  OK.  So you‘re playing hard to get, huh?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Uh-huh.

CHRIS HANSON, “DATELINE”:  Now let‘s see how it goes.  What‘d you bring?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  It‘s a condom.

HANSON:  Condoms?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Yes.

HANSON:  And?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  And lubricant.

HANSON:  Lubricant.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Yes.  I‘m sorry.  Can I ask you something first?

HANSON:  Sure.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Am I going to be, like, in trouble?

HANSON:  Well, that‘s not up to me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  (DELETED) I knew this.  Still I came.

HANSON:  If you knew this, why did you come?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I don‘t know why.  Believe me, I fought with myself.  Still, I don‘t know why I came.

HANSON:  Well, you have condoms and lubricant there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I know, but that‘s the first thing (INAUDIBLE) and she said no.

HANSON:  It doesn‘t change the fact that she said that she was 13 and you brought gear for sex.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Yes.  True.

HANSON:  So here‘s the other thing.  Here you are, 26 years old,

talking to a 13-year-old, saying, You got to be careful.  Why?  There are a

lot of sexual predators out there

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Am I one?

HANSON:  Are you?  I mean, you know, it‘s against the law.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Oh.

HANSON:  Oh?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Yes.  No, no, no.  I mean—it‘s bad.

HANSON:  Well, there‘s something I got to tell you.  I‘m Chris Hanson with “Dateline NBC,” and...

(CROSSTALK)

HANSON:  You can go right out there.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  What did you bring me?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I brought you a hamburger.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Oh, I love hamburgers!  Did you bring the condoms?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Oh, cool.  Cool.  So what do you want to do?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Whatever you want to do.

HANSON:  So how do you like the backyard?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  (INAUDIBLE)

HANSON:  Good.  Good.  How are you?

(CROSSTALK)

HANSON:  Why don‘t you have a seat right over there on the other side, please.  What did you bring?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Oh, this is stuff.

HANSON:  Some hamburgers.  Please, sit down.  Would you like your drink?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  No, that‘s OK.  I‘m really sorry.

HANSON:  Sorry for what?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  For being here.

HANSON:  I saw you brought your bag.  Were you planning on spending the night?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Well, I brought some stuff because it‘s a long drive, so if I stay, whatever, get a hotel, just stay the night.

HANSON:  Or stay right here at the house.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Well, that‘s an option.

HANSON:  Now, how old are you?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I‘m 33.

HANSON:  You‘re 33.  And this girl you met on line here, she told you she was how old?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  She was 13, I believe.

HANSON:  She‘s 13.  And so 20 years younger than you are.  Why prey on somebody who says they‘re 13?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I didn‘t.  I didn‘t, sir.  I was—I was...

HANSON:  Well, you did.  You did.  You talked to a girl who said she was 13.  You bought all the stuff, and you came over.  Did you bring condoms?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Yes.

HANSON:  Yes.  You just said that a moment ago, so no reason to lie about it.  How far did you travel today?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Just like three hours.

HANSON:  Three hours?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Yes.

HANSON:  You must have been hoping for something really special to drive that far on a Saturday afternoon.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Well, I needed to get enough time (INAUDIBLE) just go out of town and see what happens, you know?

HANSON:  You sent her pornographic images, these images of you, your genitals, to a 13-year-old girl.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I never meant any harm (INAUDIBLE)

HANSON:  But you would have had sex with this girl if the opportunity arose.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  No.  I thought it wouldn‘t because you know, I was thinking on the way here I—maybe—I just need to talk, you know?

HANSON:  Well, you were talking on line here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Yes.

HANSON:  You ever seen a hard penis?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I know.

HANSON:  You asked her to masturbate, essentially.  Have you ever seen porn?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Yes.

HANSON:  You tell her that you‘ll teach her various sex acts.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Yes.  I‘m sorry, sir.

HANSON:  Why would you risk so much for this one-time encounter?  I mean, just help me to understand it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I don‘t even understand it myself, sir.

HANSON:  Do you ever watch “Dateline NBC”?  Does this all seem a little familiar to you?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Yes.

HANSON:  I‘m Chris Hanson with “Dateline NBC,” and we‘re doing a story on adults who try to meet teens on line.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Is this going to be aired?  I‘m a good person. 

You guys—I know you guys don‘t believe it.  God, it‘s going to kill me. 

Please.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Take your hands out of your pockets right now. 

Drop that stuff.  Drop it on the ground.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCARBOROUGH:  Drop the bag, then move slowly away from the hamburgers.  You can watch the entire “Dateline” report tomorrow night at 9:00 o‘clock on NBC.

And coming up, Jon Stewart takes on CNN and shows us why sometimes it is best to leave real reporting to the professionals.  It‘s “Must See S.C.” next.

And later, a top political candidate accused of bending the law to spy on her husband, who she thought was cheating on him (SIC), but she‘s the one calling for an investigation.  We‘ll explain the ugly side of New York politics when we return.

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SCARBOROUGH:  Hey, wake up Aunt Ethel.  It‘s time for tonight‘s “Must See S.C.,” some video you just got to see.  Pat Buchanan‘s former network, CNN, is trying out a new program where they‘re asking their viewers to report on stories and send them to be broadcast on the air.  Great idea, right?  Well, maybe not.  As Jon Stewart points out, this sort of thing is just is ripe for disaster.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

STEWART:  Most of this stuff that they get, it‘s not going to really be hard news.  I have a feeling this kind of invitation gets mostly submissions like this.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  This just in~!  My (DELETED) on Wolf Blitzer‘s head!  I report for CNN!

STEWART:  And he‘ll be sending that in.  You‘ll be able to tell your friends that your (DELETED) were on Wolf Blitzer‘s head.  We‘ll be right back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Who wants to see me put my (DELETED) on Lou Dobbs‘s head?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCARBOROUGH:  That‘s it.  I‘m out of here.  I‘m out of here.

Coming up, I won‘t be here, but there will be another bizarre twist in the Anna Nicole Smith‘s saga.  She reportedly married one of the men who claims to be her baby‘s daddy.  I‘m glad she could narrow it down to at least one of them, but which one?  Somebody‘s going to have an answer in “Hollyweird.”  And later, backlash against rail-thin models and actresses.  Why there could soon be real consequences for stars who are just too skinny.

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(NEWSBREAK)

SCARBOROUGH:  Coming up, the Secret Service steps in when a comic tries to break into the White House.  Has Borat gone too far promoting his new movie?  And why is Washington laughing? 

Plus, it used to be thin is in, but no more.  Former supermodel tells us why being too skinny is becoming a fashion faux pas and why we may actually start seeing more full-figured gals and Hollywood stars.

And welcome back to SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY.  We‘re going to be talking about those stories in minutes.

But first, dramatic video has emerged on an anti-Halliburton Web site of an ambush in Iraq last year, when three unarmed civilian Halliburton employees were shot at point-blank range by insurgents after their truck convoy took a wrong turn.  NBC‘s senior investigative correspondent Lisa Myers shows us the tame and talks about the fallout—Lisa?

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) 

LISA MYERS, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over):  September 20th, 2005:  What begins as a routine convoy, led by a U.S. military escort, takes a wrong turn into an area controlled by insurgents.  Preston Wheeler, a truck driver employed by Halliburton in Iraq, brought along his video camera that day.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  There we go again.

MYERS:  First, the convoy gets hit by rocks.  Minutes later, gunfire erupts and bombs explode.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  IED on the left side!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Jesus Christ.  Help us all, Lord.

MYERS:  One of the truckers is hit. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I‘m hit.  I‘m hit.

MYERS:  A soldier tells the truckers not to stop.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Move, move.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Truck five cannot move.  Please help me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Truck eight, do the same.  Where you at?  Where you at?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I am taking fire, 10-4?  Come back. I‘m fixing to get killed!

MYERS:  Wheeler sees a fellow driver killed. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  They just killed him!  Oh, Jesus.

MYERS:  In all, three drivers died, and Wheeler was shot twice.  Wheeler now charges that the convoy was not properly equipped or trained by Halliburton.

Halliburton says this convoy was under the control of the U.S.  military. The company also says employees receive extensive training and their safety and security is a priority.

The U.S. Army had no comment. 

Lisa Myers, NBC News, Washington. 

(END VIDEOTAPE)

SCARBOROUGH:  In response to the videotape, Halliburton released this statement:  “Halliburton‘s priority has always been the safety and security of its employees, regardless of where they work around the world.  The U.S.  military has command and control of all Halliburton convoys in Iraq, such as supplying pre-trip threat assessments and determining routes.  It is required to provide security for Halliburton employees through the company‘s contract with the Army.  Every potential employee on the contracts receives very specific warnings about the dangers of working in a war zone.”

Right now, let‘s bring in Pat Buchanan.  He is an MSNBC analyst. 

Pat, a lot of people that hate Halliburton suggest that these guys were left to die, that Halliburton didn‘t train them properly, that the Army heard the complaints and the cries from the truck drivers that you heard—very dramatic footage—but they just abandoned them.  What‘s your response? 

PAT BUCHANAN, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST:  I don‘t think you can make

that judgment from what we‘ve seen, Joe.  Clearly, this was a mistake in

warfare.  They took a wrong turn, went through this town, and these fellows

rocks were thrown at them.  And then they had to turn around and come back, and then they were killed in this ambush with IEDs. 

They were obviously in hostile territory.  Certainly, these guys had to know that they were going through hostile territory and hostile towns.  And they certainly should have been told.  And, frankly, they‘re probably being paid very highly to, frankly, risk their lives in these things.

And it was very dramatic footage, Joe, but I couldn‘t draw a conclusion one way or the other from this, quite frankly, but I think the allegation has really got to be heard. 

SCARBOROUGH:  You know, Pat, also, though, this brings up a larger question about the reconstruction efforts there.  It‘s a $21 billion reconstruction effort. 

The front page of the “Washington Post” talks about problems with the top police academy over in Baghdad that is supposed to be one of the top priorities for security.  It said that it was built so poorly, a $75 million project, built so poorly that you had urine and fecal matter dripping through walls, lying on floors, saying it‘s an absolute disgrace.  It sounds like Iraq has become the epicenter of waste, fraud and abuse. 

What the heck is going on over there? 

BUCHANAN:  Well, every war is like that.  There is waste, fraud and abuse in every one, but right now, Joe, you know, that‘s right on the front pages.  The American people are deeply concerned about this war. 

A clear majority are saying they don‘t like the policy.  They want to get out.  And there‘s no doubt these reports—and it looks like a clear, disastrous failure there—these reports are going to undermine support for the war in this country.  And that‘s undeniable.

And, quite frankly, that $19 billion reconstruction aid, a lot of it has got to go for security, because we did not anticipate it or the people in there running the show did not anticipate the kind of resistance we were going to find after three years.  It was not a cakewalk. 

SCARBOROUGH:  And here‘s a quote from the “Washington Post” story.  “The most serious problem was substandard plumbing that caused waste from toilets on the second and third floor to cascade through the building.  A light fixture in one room stopped worked because it was filled with urine and fecal matter.  The waste threatened the integrity of the load-bearing slabs and basically was all over the first floor.” 

The Iraqis who were there, these are the people we‘re training to take over our job, they came running up and said, “Please help us.  Please do something about this.”  Americans would be outraged if they knew how their tax dollars were being wasted in Iraq and, by extension, Pat, doesn‘t this mean that the blood that Americans are spilling could also be wasted in Iraq if we‘re just continuing to go around and around in circles and aren‘t in a position to hand this war over to the Iraqis? 

BUCHANAN:  You know, Joe, look, this sound like—and I don‘t want to jump to conclusions—but everything you read, this sounds like something that was either incredibly incompetent or that was corrupt, to leave a police academy, $75 million operation, like that. 

But what you say is true.  Look, there‘s no doubt about it:  We have reached a crunch point.  You heard the president today.  He‘s made the most harshest attack I‘ve ever seen on the Democrats for cutting and running. 

The home base in America, we cannot win the war if the home base here collapses, frankly, and we don‘t get more troops in Iraq.  We are coming to the crunch point in this war, this fall, in my judgment.  And when this election is over, I think this whole thing is going to be hashed out as to whether we stay or when we go.

SCARBOROUGH:  And, Pat, $1.5 billion—and, again, I supported this war from the beginning, you opposed it—but we‘re spending $1.5 billion a week.  Generals in the Pentagon say we‘re going to have to be there another 10 to 12 years, if we can ever bring order to it.  It sounds like we‘re just not going to get there in time, does it? 

BUCHANAN:  I honestly believe that the American home front is not going to support a 10-year war.  And it looks to me like the people who are saying, Joe, that we need more troops in Afghanistan and we need more troops in Iraq are, from a military standpoint, right, and that we did not send enough in. 

But is there a home base in America to start sending more troops in and recapture Anbar Province?  I don‘t think so, but I know this is coming to a head right there at the end of this year. 

SCARBOROUGH:  No doubt about it.  There‘s just not, Pat, and politicians will probably split the difference and take troops out of there, make the situation worse.  This thing will drag on forever, and a lot of Americans will die because of it.  Pat...

BUCHANAN:  OK, Joe.  I‘ll tell you, but if this thing goes down, it‘s not only going to be recriminations here.  There‘s going to be a disaster over there.

SCARBOROUGH:  No doubt about it.  Pat Buchanan, as always, thank you so much. 

BUCHANAN:  Thank you, Joe.

SCARBOROUGH:  The political world is buzzing tonight over a federal investigation of Jeanine Pirro, the Republican candidate for attorney general in New York State.  Now, Pirro is accused of trying to enlist Bernie Kerik—you remember him?  He‘s a former New York City police commission—to catch her husband having an affair.  And that‘s just the beginning. 

NBC‘s Jonathan Dienst broke the story, and he got a hold of the stunning tapes.  And he‘s going to give us the details. 

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JONATHAN DIENST, WNBC CORRESPONDENT (voice-over):  Jeanine Pirro came out swinging yesterday. 

JEANINE PIRRO ®, NY CANDIDATE FOR ATTORNEY GENERAL:  I didn‘t do anything here other than vent. 

DIENST:  Calling it a political witch hunt and smear campaign, she blasted the U.S. attorney‘s office and denied that she had illegally spied on her husband trying to catch him in the act.

PIRRO:  In the midst of matrimonial discord, I was angry.  I spoke about taping him.  There was no taping by me of anyone. 

DIENST:  But, according to documents now in the hands of several defense attorneys, Pirro and former Police Commissioner Bernie Kerik apparently talked about planting a bug on her husband, Albert‘s, boat.  In one conversation, Pirro allegedly complains that one of Kerik‘s employees is reluctant to board Albert Pirro‘s boat. 

Kerik responses, quote, “But, Jeanine I‘m having the same (bleep) problem with everybody.  Everybody is panic stricken, because it‘s you.”

Pirro says, quote, “What am I supposed to do, Bernie?  Watch him (bleep) her every night?  What am I supposed to do?  I can go on the boat.  I‘ll put the (bleep) thing on myself.”

PIRRO:  Prying into the personal lives of married couples is not the business of federal prosecutors. 

DIENST:  Pirro currently trails Democrat Andrew Cuomo in the race for New York‘s attorney general post, and this morning it‘s unclear how these spying allegations will affect her campaign. 

Jonathan Dienst, NBC News, New York.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

SCARBOROUGH:  But what about that timing, really, in the middle of her campaign?  It just happened to leak out of the distinct attorney‘s office?  Come on.  Give me a break.  What a set-up.

Now, Pirro is back on the campaign trail today insisting she wasn‘t going to drop out of the race and calling for a special prosecutor to be appointed to conduct an investigation of the leak and report the results within 20 days, and I think she‘s dead on there.  We need to figure out who in the D.A.‘s office wanted to embarrass her to help her opponent. 

Coming up next, the new backlash against models and actresses who are just too thin.  You‘ll see why some of Hollywood‘s famous faces could soon be trying to pack on pounds, and we‘ll tell you how models stay thin on cigarettes, caffeine and cocaine. 

And later, it‘s a lonely road for the Hoff.  The “Baywatch” star says he needs a miracle to save his love life.  Come on, ladies, jump in the car.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCARBOROUGH:  You know, thin is not in.  Now, you made have heard about the backlash about skinny runway models in Spain earlier this month, but now rail-thin Hollywood stars could be facing career problems.  In a minute, we‘re going to be talking to a former runway model.

But first, E!‘s Giuliana Depandi explains how being too skinny could cause some famous faces their jobs. 

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

GIULIANA DEPANDI, E! ENTERTAINMENT:  Thin may not be in anymore.  Yes, it‘s true.  It may no longer pay to be skinny in Hollywood, that is if a new trend catches on. 

(voice-over):  As the old saying goes, you can never be too rich or too thin.  Well, in Hollywood, both are a given, but how long can the stars keep up with keeping so skinny?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Your biggest weakness in life? 

KATE BOSWORTH, ACTRESS:  Chocolate.

DEPANDI:  Kate Bosworth‘s appearance at the “Superman” premiere in June had heads turning, not just because of the beautiful Eve Salmaron (ph) gown she wore, but because of her shockingly thin body.  And Kate‘s frame looked just as fragile when we spoke to her at last week‘s Marc Jacobs‘ fashion show in New York. 

Kate, along with Keira Knightley, Nicole Richie, and countless other Hollywood glam girls, have all been targets of skinny scrutiny. 

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  It‘s horrible, especially when you‘re trying to do something about it and you have just so many eyes watching you and people talking about you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  So I don‘t think it‘s anything to be taken lightly. 

DEPANDI:  Literally.  But why is it happening in the first place?  We asked a couple of experts to weigh in.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  There‘s a lot of competition in Hollywood on the runways to be the best.  And right now, the best is to be as thin as you possibly can.

DEPANDI:  Organizers of Spanish Fashion Week in Madrid recently announced they will ban some models from the catwalks if they‘re underweight. 

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Right now, in terms of saying enough is a really good message. 

DEPANDI:  Models will be measured by their BMI, body mass index, a healthy height-to-weight ratio.  See, the average runway model is five-foot-nine and weighs just 110 pounds.  Under Spain‘s new guideline, a model of the same height would have to weigh in at least 123 pounds. 

Interesting stuff.  That is today‘s “E! Inside” scoop.  I‘m Giuliana Depandi.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

SCARBOROUGH:  Let‘s bring in now Robin Hazelwood.  She‘s the author of “Model Student,” a fascinating behind-the-scenes look at modeling.  Thank you so much for being with us today.  We greatly appreciate it, Robin.

ROBIN HAZELWOOD, AUTHOR:  Thank you for having me.

SCARBOROUGH:  Why the backlash against skinny models? 

HAZELWOOD:  Well, you know, right.  On the surface, you think, “Oh, models are thin.  Oh, you know, tell me something I don‘t know.”  But the issue right now is actually models are about 10 to 15 pounds thinner than they ever have been before or in recent years. 

And, you know, there are models now that are actually—I mean, let‘s not mince words here.  I mean, they look anorexic.  And the problem with that is—I mean, by splashing them all over covers and in campaigns, I mean, you‘re kind of sending the wrong message to the audience that probably is absorbing it the most, which are teenage girls. 

SCARBOROUGH:  Well, and it‘s also having a big impact on Hollywood, right? 

HAZELWOOD:  Absolutely.  I know these days actresses are the new supermodels.  They‘re in every campaign.  They‘re on every cover.  And so what happens in—you know, the trends that happen in New York, you know, go directly to Hollywood.  And they go in all the tabloids, and girls see that, too. 

SCARBOROUGH:  How does that happen?  How does what happens on a runway in New York, or Milan, or Paris have an impact on what happens in L.A.? 

HAZELWOOD:  Well, what happens is, you know, on a runway show, for instance, there is designer samples that are created.  So that model walks down that runway in a specific dress.  But then, that very same dress is the dress that gets photographed for a “Vogue” or for “Glamour.”  And these days, because actresses are increasingly taking that role, they‘re in those magazines, they‘re the ones that need to be wearing them.

SCARBOROUGH:  And so they can look like these models and fit into it...

HAZELWOOD:  They have to.

SCARBOROUGH:  ... they have to undertake an obscene eating regimen.  And I read about it this past week when it was Fashion Week in New York, where these people basically drink coffee in the morning and then smoke cigarettes the rest of the day.  It is an extraordinarily unhealthy lifestyle, right?

HAZELWOOD:  Coffee, cigarettes, and often cocaine.  I mean, those are the dietary staples of a lot of fashion models.

SCARBOROUGH:  Let‘s talk about the drug scene that you saw while you were in the modeling industry.

HAZELWOOD:  You know, cocaine has always been in the modeling industry and, you know, it probably always will be, because, you know, it can help.  It keeps you up, and it can help keep you skinny.  And those are things that, you know, a model wants to be.  She wants to be skinny. 

And when you saw the fashion regimen, it can be pretty brutal during the show season.  You‘re often doing several shows a day.  Often your body is in a different time zone.  To keep up, models frequently rely on little uppers and little tricks like that.

SCARBOROUGH:  What‘s considered fat in the modeling industry, if, let‘s say, you‘re 5‘6”, 5‘7”, 5‘8”?

HAZELWOOD:  Well, modeling industry, I mean, they don‘t even consider people that are that short.  It‘s a very snobby, funny industry.  And what happens is, because it‘s such a microcosm, yes, people‘s ideas get warped.  You know, 5‘9”, 5‘10”, if you‘re 125, 130 pounds, you‘re fat. 

SCARBOROUGH:  All right.  Thank you so much.  I greatly appreciate it, Robin.  The book again, “Model Student.”  We really appreciate you being with us tonight. 

HAZELWOOD:  Thanks for having me.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

SCARBOROUGH:  And we‘ll be right back with “Hollyweird.” 

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCARBOROUGH:  All right.  Gas up the limo and get ready to hit the red carpet.  It‘s time for “Hollyweird.”

First up, did she or didn‘t she?  There are reports out tonight that Anna Nicole Smith and Howard K. Stern are married.  I guess our invitation got lost in the mail, just like to your 30th birthday, right?  Thanks so much.  My cameramen here are getting invitations to your 30th birthday party.  I‘m not on the list.

So talk about this marriage.  What‘s happening here?

COURTNEY HAZLETT, “OK” MAGAZINE:  Well, reports came in this morning that Anna Nicole Smith and her “is he or isn‘t he the baby daddy” Howard K.  Stern got married early this morning.  A close friend of Anna Nicole‘s has called in and said, “Yes, it‘s true.  They‘re happy.  I spoke with them.  They‘re elated.”  But we haven‘t heard it from the horse‘s mouth yet, so... 

SCARBOROUGH:  But thank God, though, Katrina, that—like, there are two guys that impregnated her.  She at least married one of them, right? 

KATRINA SZISH, “US WEEKLY”:  Yes, at least she did, except the sad thing is that today was the day that the toxicology reports came out that told us how her son died. 

SCARBOROUGH:  You know what, though?  If you‘re Anna Nicole Smith, though, and you‘re having babies, sons are dying, guys are going on “Larry King,” you‘re getting married, I mean, she lives in a whirlwind here, right?

SZISH:  She does.  But I think we pick on her too much.  She just went through something really tough, and we don‘t if she got married.  If she did, I hope she‘s happy. 

SCARBOROUGH:  We don‘t.

SZISH:  She‘s been a punching bag for too long. 

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH:  You know what?  I feel bad.  I‘m out of here.  Wait, but you know what?  Before I leave, I‘m going to rag on somebody else. 

Charlie Sheen...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  OK, well, that I can do.

SCARBOROUGH:  Porn hog.  I mean, this guy for years has been chasing hookers.  I have the greatest of respect for him, not passing judgment, but he is now, after all of this crap that‘s out there, the highest paid sitcom star, proving that, just like cable news, in Hollywood you get rewarded for being a bad, bad person. 

HAZLETT:   Well, you know what?  I think personally he should probably go into P.R., because there‘s this guy named Mel Gibson who needs some good P.R.

SCARBOROUGH:  Yes, he needs a little help.

(CROSSTALK)

HAZLETT:   No, it‘s amazing.

SCARBOROUGH:  He gets paid a lot of money.

HAZLETT:   He‘s Teflon right now.  And there are a lot of people who really thought he was going to come out looking really bad after the divorce allegations.  And it just goes to show...

SCARBOROUGH:  But this is like—and, again, the divorce allegations were so explosive.  This guy not a nice person.  But again...

SZISH:  Restraining orders, all that kind of stuff.

SCARBOROUGH:  Yes.  Yes.

HAZLETT:   And worse. 

SCARBOROUGH:  Much worse than restraining orders.  I mean, I get a restraining order every week, but this guy. 

But, seriously, I mean, this is basically the network saying, “People love this guy.  They don‘t care what he does.”

SZISH:  Yes.  The interesting thing, though, is I think it‘s $350,000 per episode is what he‘s getting.  But when you think to what Kelsey Grammer was getting at the end of “Frasier,” $1.6 million an episode...

SCARBOROUGH:  Chump change.

SZISH:  Yes...

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH:  You‘re exactly right.

SZISH:  Relatively, it‘s not much.

HANRETTY:  Relatively, he‘s a pauper.

SCARBOROUGH:  It‘s chump change.  He really is.  He needs a sugar daddy is what he needs. 

You know, Borat stormed Washington.  I love this guy.  And how can you not love this guy?  He‘s put Kazakhstan on the map, and I love Kazakhstan.  Now, it‘s actually taking out full-page ads in the “New York Times.”

Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SACHA BARON COHEN, “BORAT”:  Main purpose of Premiere Nazarbayev‘s visit to Washingtons is to promote this movie-film.  He will be hosting a screening tomorrow evening to which he have invitate Premiere George Walter Bush and other American dignitaries, includes Donald Rumsfeld, Bill Gates, O.J. Simpsons and Mel Gibsons. 

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCARBOROUGH:  The guy is unbelievable, ain‘t he?  This is going to be a big hit.  I‘ve heard people who have seen it said it is the funniest movie they‘ve ever seen before.

SZISH:  And Brad Pitt loves it so much so that he wants to do a film with...

SCARBOROUGH:  With him?

And Larry David, I understand the private screening at his house, he stopped it halfway through.  He said, “Stop, stop, I can‘t stand this anymore.”

HAZLETT:   Hey, if I were having a private screening, I think I would, too, but he hasn‘t sent me the tape. 

SCARBOROUGH:  He hasn‘t sent you the tape, just like you haven‘t invited me to your party. 

(LAUGHTER)

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH:  What about the Hoff, though?  All right, I‘m going to throw this to you—the Hoff is praying to God to bring him a girlfriend.  That‘s pretty desperate, right?

SZISH:  He is.  I mean, at this point, he‘s admitted he‘s a little lonely, and he trusts that God will bring him a companion. 

HAZLETT:   You can‘t curl up with good publicity every night.

SCARBOROUGH:  No, you can‘t.  Hey, let‘s take it back to the Hoff. 

All right.  Here we go.  We‘re going to leave you with the Hoff.

All right, Katrina Szish and Courtney Hazlett, thank you so much.  Of course, thanks for inviting me to your party.  We‘ll see you tomorrow in SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY.

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