updated 10/6/2006 11:23:31 AM ET 2006-10-06T15:23:31

Guests: Michael Crowley, Rachel Sklar, Carrot Top

JOE SCARBOROUGH, HOST:  From the White House to Capitol Hill, where late-breaking news in the Foley firestorm with new developments in a sex scandal that will bring a lurid end to the Republican Party‘s 12-year monopoly on Capitol Hill.

Tonight, shocking new revelations in the Republican page sex scandal as three more pages reveal for the first time that they, too, were targets of sexual advances from the disgraced Republican congressman, with one former page revealing that Mr. Foley offered lodging for sex for the teenager.  This while Congressional Ethics Committee members launched their investigation by blanketing Capitol Hill with four dozen subpoenas presumably targeted at GOP pages, GOP staff and GOP leaders.

The explosive new charges have all but eclipsed Speaker Denny Hastert‘s press conference where the embattled GOP head refused to step down.  Hastert said he accepted responsibility, but only after telling “The Chicago Tribune” earlier that the GOP sex scandal was the blame of ABC News, the Democratic Party and George Soros.

Harry Truman, Mr. Hastert is not.

Meanwhile, panicked Republican candidates across the country are watching their poll numbers plummet and their party‘s political machine being broken up into bits by a “see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil” approach to this Foley page sex scandal.

Yesterday, Mark Foley‘s own former chief of staff told the Associated Press he warned the Republican Speaker‘s office of Foley‘s misconduct in 2003.  Mr. Hastert says he has no recollection of such a conversation.  The GOP‘s number two man, majority leader John Boehner, said he learned of Foley‘s misconduct last spring and that the Speaker assured him the issue is being taken care of.  Again, Speaker Hastert has no recollection of that conversation.  And the Republican Party‘s campaign chairman says he told Speaker Foley—the Speaker of Mr. Foley‘s inappropriate behavior nine months ago.  Again, Denny Hastert remembers nothing of that conversation.

But the Speaker did have his wits about him when it came to assailing the Democratic Party and assigning blame, telling “The Chicago Tribune,” “The people who want to see this thing blow up are ABC News and a lot of Democratic operatives, people funded by George Soros.”

There‘s little doubt tonight, as this GOP page sex scandal expends, few voters are going to buy into the Speaker‘s vast left-wing conspiracy theory when figuring out who to punish next month at the polls.  If this is the best that my Republican Party can do, we‘re doomed.

Here now, Michael Crowley—he‘s a senior editor for “The New

Republic”—Rachel Sklar—she‘s media editor for the Huffingtonpost.com

and MSNBC political analyst President Bush.

Michael, let me begin with you.  What do you make of the events tonight?  Three new pages coming forward, saying Mr. Foley offered lodging for sex.  And the background to that, of course, when assigning blame to the Republican Party, all of these leaders, these Republican leaders that have come forth saying they spoke to Denny Hastert, they warned Denny Hastert, and he did nothing, and now he‘s saying he remembers none of it.

MICHAEL CROWLEY, NEW REPUBLIC:  Yes, it‘s pretty amazing.  Well, you know, these new revelations, I think, don‘t change the substance of the story that much, but they just prolong it, which is terrible for the Republicans.  And you know, for Hastert, he‘s having a hard time explaining this stuff away.  I mean, the whole Soros thing today was kind of bizarre.  And it‘s accentuated by the fact that Hastert is just not very good at defending himself at all.  I mean, English is not the man‘s first language, and so he comes out and kind of stammers out these responses that do more harm than good, I think, basically.

SCARBOROUGH:  But Michael, it seems unprecedented to me in modern American politics, a party‘s leaders going after their Speaker this way.  I mean, I was around during the Newt Gingrich debacle back in 1998, it was never like this publicly, where you have the number two Republican going after the Speaker, you have the head of the Republican campaign committee going after the Speaker, you have a staff member of Mr. Foley warning the Speaker three years ago, and the Speaker says he remembers none of it.  Voters won‘t buy that, will they.

CROWLEY:  No, it‘s totally implausible, particularly because, you know, this Congress has not actually been getting that much done.  I mean, early in the Bush era, they were Ramming a lot of things through and being sort of productive, but lately, they‘re all kind of tied up.  And they had a flurry of activity on their last day before they broke on Friday, but they‘ve been one of the great do-nothing Congresses, you know, in recent memory.  So what has Hastert been so distracted by?  What else does he have to worry about?  You know, fund-raising, I guess.

SCARBOROUGH:  Pat Buchanan, in the end, the fact that all of these Republicans have come forward saying that they warned Denny Hastert three years ago, one year ago, nine months ago, and he says he can‘t remember any of it and said—decides to assign blame to George Soros certainly hurts his cause within the Republican Party and with voters in a month, doesn‘t it.

PAT BUCHANAN, MSNBC ANALYST:  Well, there‘s no doubt about, he‘s been hurt, but so have these leaders.  I mean, Mr. Blunt didn‘t help himself by saying, I would have handled it differently, and Boehner dropped a dime on him.  None of them look like loyalists.

Let me say this, Joe.  I mean, look, we are now hearing that this flamer, Mr. Foley, was going after kids as early as 19 -- I mean, 20 -- I mean, 1998.  I mean, you knew Foley.  Did you know he was this kind of flamer who was after pages?  I mean, certainly, you knew him better than Hastert did.  And apparently, this was not known by the—by the—by the folks in the Republican Caucus...

SCARBOROUGH:  No, well—well, I certainly...

BUCHANAN:  I mean...

SCARBOROUGH:  ... didn‘t know anything about it.  But...


SCARBOROUGH:  ... this flamer, as you call him, this flamer‘s chief of staff went to Mr. Hastert in 2003 and started warning them as early as 2003 that Mr. Foley had serious problems...


SCARBOROUGH:  ... and they didn‘t act on it.

BUCHANAN:  But look, (INAUDIBLE) Hastert‘s got a play here...

SCARBOROUGH:  I will tell you this, Pat.  If a chief of staff came to me...


SCARBOROUGH:  ... if Mark Foley‘s chief of staff came to me in 1998 and told me that this was going on, I‘ll tell you...


SCARBOROUGH:  ... I and most decent people, you, would have gone to the Speaker.

BUCHANAN:  All right, now...

SCARBOROUGH:  If he didn‘t do anything, you would have held a press conference!

BUCHANAN:  All right, that‘s my point.  Apparently, ABC knew this a year ago.  If the reporters knew this a year ago and they didn‘t report it, they don‘t care about those kids!  They‘re waiting to drop it in the fall election~!  In this case, Hastert‘s got a point.  If people give a hoot about the kids and they know about it and they wait for a year to dump it, do they really care about these kids?  I don‘t think so!


BUCHANAN:  Let me make one more point.  Ms. Pelosi has marched in gay pride parades with the North America Man-Boy Love Association, NAMBLA, which—who are pedophiles who are trying to get the laws repealed for sex between men and boys!  If she‘s been marching with pedophiles, is she credible standing up there saying, I‘m shocked, shocked that some Republican is after 17-year-old pages?

SCARBOROUGH:  Rachel Sklar, in the end, will a blame ABC News/George Soros/Democratic Party strategy work?

RACHEL SKLAR, HUFFINGTONPOST.COM:  No, it definitely will not.  We have to go back to the original principle, which is the fact that a predator—and I don‘t think his sexuality is germane here.  Whether or not he‘s, quote, unquote, a “flamer”—I‘m not too down (ph) with that language—he‘s a predator.  That‘s the issue here.  He‘s a predator who was preying on kids who were working on Capitol Hill...

SCARBOROUGH:  Well, and Rachel, apparently...


SCARBOROUGH:  ... if you look at these latest reports out, it looks as if Mark Foley, a guy I knew since 1994 and liked personally, was using this page program as a sex farm!  I mean, he was—it was a farm system where he was waiting for these people to become 18 and then set—you know, set up these sexual trysts with them, right?

SKLAR:  Precisely.  He was a predator, and his party enabled him.  His party did not address it, and that‘s where the blame lies...


BUCHANAN:  Let me interrupt right there!  I agree, anybody that knew this guy was a predator, didn‘t turn him in and get rid of them, should be out of the Congress!  But they should also be out of journalism if they knew this predator was running all over the place, they say, We don‘t care about that, let‘s wait until October and dump it on the Republicans!

SCARBOROUGH:  Rachel, is that fair?


SKLAR:  I don‘t think that‘s a fair characterization.  My understanding is that there was information kind of out there, and people needed to put it together.

BUCHANAN:  Well, that‘s exactly what the Republicans are saying!  We needed to put it together!  For heaven‘s sakes, if ABC, who knew it, and they say, We needed to put it together—if they‘re innocent, why aren‘t Republicans who say, We didn‘t put it together...


SKLAR:  ... one party had information and the other party had to find the information.  One party sat on it, and the other party...

BUCHANAN:  Well, that‘s what we got to find out!

SKLAR:  ... ferreted it out.

BUCHANAN:  We‘re going to find that out!~

SCARBOROUGH:  Michael Crowley, we may find all that out.  We‘ll find it out after the—I predict, after the election, where this information first came from.  But let me ask you, Michael, if you look at the House polls that are plummeting for Republicans, the Senate polls that are plummeting for Republicans, isn‘t there a growing feeling on Capitol Hill that the Republican Party, which now only has an 18 percent approval rating, is going to lose both chambers on Capitol Hill?

CROWLEY:  Yes, I think so.  I mean, I think the House is very likely to flip, and the Senate doesn‘t get as much attention, but Democrats are doing very well in all these Senate races.  The one sort of possible way this could work in the other direction, I think there is a plausible theory that this story, as bad as it is, knocks off stories that are even—knocks stories that are even worse out of the media.  I mean, we could be talking about Iraq right now, the fact that Afghanistan is sliding back into anarchy, the Bob Woodward book.  It‘s conceivable that voters will say, Well, that was one rogue sexual predator, and there‘s not a partisan element to that story.  It‘s possible.  And if that‘s the case, it could be a benefit for Republicans.  And my guess is actually that the...


SCARBOROUGH:  I‘ll tell you what...

BUCHANAN:  ... see the silver lining here!


SCARBOROUGH:  There is no silver lining.  And I was just going to say, Pat Buchanan, if I‘m on the—if I‘m on the campaign stump...


SCARBOROUGH:  ... I would much rather defend the Iraq war than defend the fact that...


SCARBOROUGH:  ... the Speaker is being seen as somebody who‘s covering up for a pedophile.  And look at this Harold Ford quote.  He was being attacked.  Somebody said that he hung out with “Playboy” bunnies.  And Harold Ford said this.  “I‘m not going to take a lecture on morality from a party that took hush money from a child predator.”

BUCHANAN:  All right, let me tell you something...

SCARBOROUGH:  Pat Buchanan, that is gold.

BUCHANAN:  Let me tell you something...

SCARBOROUGH:  That‘s a quote that will work in Tennessee and it will work around the country!

BUCHANAN:  Yes, it will.  Let me tell you something.  Two national figures, Rudy Giuliani, Hillary Rodham Clinton marched in gay pride parades in New York in which I believe that NAMBLA floats were moved right along, and these are child predators who are arguing for getting rid of...

SCARBOROUGH:  All right, but Pat...

BUCHANAN:  ... laws between men and boys...

SCARBOROUGH:  ... that will not...


SCARBOROUGH:  ... this fall in the election, will it.

BUCHANAN:  Not this fall, 2008!  It‘s going to be very, very big because of this, Joe!

SCARBOROUGH:  And Rachel Sklar, final prediction.  Where do we go from here in this media scandal?

SKLAR:  Well, I think we just sit back and watch it unfold.  You know, you try and find as much information as possible and figure out who knew what when and what their motives were in presenting the information or in deliberately holding it back.

SCARBOROUGH:  All right.  And...

BUCHANAN:  Including...


CROWLEY:  No serious elected official in America supports NAMBLA!  I mean, maybe they...

BUCHANAN:  If they march with them—look, if I march with the Klan...

CROWLEY:  Not intentionally.

BUCHANAN:  ... I‘d have to answer...


CROWLEY:  Pat, come on!

BUCHANAN:  ... going to have answer it!

SCARBOROUGH:  All right...

BUCHANAN:  Now they are!

SCARBOROUGH:  All right.  All right.  Well, they may have to answer that in 2008, but I‘ll tell you, in 2006, a month from now, the Republican Party is going have to answer for the events of the past three years when Mr. Foley‘s former chief of staff said he told the Speaker‘s office that Mark Foley was preying on young children as early as 1998.  Thank you, Michael Crowley, Pat Buchanan.

Rachel, stay with us because coming up next: Does Mark Foley fit the profile of predators that we‘ve seen on “Dateline”?  NBC‘s Chris Hansen joins us live.  Plus, we‘re going to show you Foley‘s own remarks on our show before he got busted.  And later: Anna Nicole Smith, mourning the death of her son while in the middle of a paternity battle over her baby.  But that certainly didn‘t stop her from celebrating in the Bahamas.  We‘ll show you the first shocking pictures from her Kentucky fried wedding.  And later...





SCARBOROUGH:  And politics makes strange bedfellows, especially when Carrot Top (ph) is involved.  We‘ll show you what happened when I tried to catch the latest celebrity running for office.  This is a big night in SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY.  Don‘t miss a minute.  We‘ll be right back.


SCARBOROUGH:  Mark Foley worked closely with us in our campaign to protect children from child predators.  He appeared on this program several times over the past few years after the GOP put him out as the head of the task force to protect kids from child predators.  Talking about the legislation he was working on to stop sex offenders, Foley twice appeared along with “Dateline‘s” Chris Hansen to discuss NBC‘s “To Catch a Predator” series.  Take a look.


REP. MARK FOLEY ®, FLORIDA:  The “Dateline” piece has probably done more than any law we can create.  Hopefully, more people will be forewarned, more parents will be taking advantage of the chance to talk to their kids, instructing them about the dangers of the Internet, and certainly, more people that have seen this segment that may be thinking about interacting with a child may go ahead and get mental health counseling.


SCARBOROUGH:  Yes, that would be helpful.

Here‘s “Dateline‘s” Chris Hansen.  Still with us, Rachel Sklar, media editor for Huffingtonpost.com.

Chris, I don‘t know where to begin.  I mean, we were on the show with this guy two times.  He‘s sitting there, talking about how your work is going stop sex predators while he‘s preying on underage teens.  I mean, what does this tell you?  I mean, what will—actually, what can you tell us about the type of guys that you profile on “Dateline” and about Mark Foley?

CHRIS HANSEN, “NBC DATELINE” CORRESPONDENT:  Well, obviously, there‘s a difference between, you know, the allegations against Foley and the predators we see in our shows in that, you know, our decoys or our kids are much younger, the chats tend to be much more sexually explicit.  But Joe, I think what it says is when you‘re talking about risky, inappropriate, sometimes illegal behavior on line, this really knows no boundaries.

And I‘ll give you an example.  In our next investigation, which airs tomorrow night, we have a man who walks into this House after a conversation with a girl he thinks is 13, who is a 48-year-old cancer doctor, a man who is very prominent in the San Francisco area, and here he is, walking into the backyard of this home we‘ve set up with hidden cameras, getting ready for a date with a 13-year-old girl.

SCARBOROUGH:  And of course, you also had Rabbis that got busted, too.  And of course, there‘s—there‘s new information coming out, breaking news tonight that Mark Foley offered lodging to minors in exchange for oral sex.  Does this sound familiar to you?

HANSEN:  Well, I can tell you that in the cases we‘ve investigated, you know, there are offers to the decoys posing as kids of everything from, you know, food to alcohol to gifts, lingerie, sexual items.  And there is a grooming process that we see almost in every single case where we have a guy comes into our home.  We have a grooming process that has gone on for 25 days, in some cases, before these guys actually show up.

SCARBOROUGH:  Rachel, let me ask you a political question here.  Do you think that this is an example of Republican hypocrisy at its worse that the GOP would allow Mark Foley to come on the show, go on other shows, to stand next to President Bush, to be the head of this task force to stop predators on the Internet for underage kids, while knowing that he had sent inappropriate e-mails to House pages?

SKLAR:  Yes, that‘s a really easy question.  Yes.  Yes.  It is a staggering example of GOP hypocrisy, just staggering.  And add that to the, you know, really awful fact of—the fact that they sat on this.  They knew this and they sat on it and they let him go forward and continue his inappropriate behavior with these pages.

SCARBOROUGH:  And they‘re going to—they‘re going to pay terribly for it at the polls, most likely, are they not?

SKLAR:  One would think.  One would hope.

SCARBOROUGH:  Yes.  Hey, Chris, is the bottom line here that people like Mark Foley and the rabbis and the doctors that you bust just simply don‘t believe they‘re ever going to get caught, that they‘re above it all?

HANSEN:  Well, I can‘t speak to what was going on in Mark Foley‘s head, but I can tell you from my experience in the cases we‘ve investigated, I think two things.  One, I think these guys figure that, Look, “Dateline” and law enforcement around the country can‘t be everywhere.  What are the chances I‘m going to get caught?  And I also think that for some of these men, the addiction, the compulsion that is developed on the Internet is so strong that they can‘t resist...

SCARBOROUGH:  Does power...

HANSEN:  ... the opportunity to do something like this.

SCARBOROUGH:  Does power possibly feed it, whether you‘re a doctor or a rabbi or a person in a position of authority?

HANSEN:  I think so, in some cases.  I mean, we see—in our investigations, obviously, we‘ve seen the rabbis you mention, the doctor.  We‘ve seen lawyers.  We‘ve seen a Homeland Security agent.  We‘ve seen teachers.  We see people who rationalize this behavior in many different ways, and part of this rationalization process is that, you know, I do good things in life, so, you know, I can get away with this on the side.  Most of these people do this secretly.  Most of these people don‘t have criminal backgrounds, and most of these people have families who have no idea they‘re engaging in this kind of behavior.

SCARBOROUGH:  And that, of course, goes for Mr. Foley, as well.  Hey, Rachel, thank you so much for being with us.  And Chris Hansen, stick around, because we‘ve got a first look—you‘re going see the very first look at the latest “Dateline” sting coming up.

But next, it‘s “Must See S.C.,” why Conan goes after Brian Williams on late night TV.  And later, the first photos of Anna Nicole‘s wedding in the Bahamas and why the real daddy of her baby stands to gain much more than custody from the former Playmate.


SCARBOROUGH:  Hey, it‘s time for tonight‘s “Must See S.C.,” some video you just got to see.  First up, “NBC Nightly News” anchor Brian Williams made an appearance on “Saturday Night Live” last weekend, and last night he turned up on “Late Night With Conan O‘Brien,” and the two had, well, a confrontational moment.


CONAN O‘BRIEN, HOST:  You‘re being very disrespectful to me and my audience.


O‘BRIEN:  Look, I am a talk show host.  You‘re in my face.

BRIAN WILLIAMS, “NBC NIGHTLY NEWS” ANCHOR:  You shot me a look.  I don‘t know.  Oh, man!  I‘m going to see this for months now, every time I close my eyes to go to sleep.

O‘BRIEN:  I have never seen you more horrified than my fat Irish face...


O‘BRIEN:  ... coming in at you!.

WILLIAMS:  I need to get to my wife immediately.


WILLIAMS:  Change the subject!


SCARBOROUGH:  And if President Bush thought Mark Foley would replace who was the butt of every late night comedian‘s jokes, he was wrong.  David Letterman took aim at W last night.


DAVID LETTERMAN, HOST:  It‘s time now, ladies and gentlemen, for something called “Great Moments in Presidential Speeches,” “Great Moments in Presidential Speeches.”  Take a look.


FRANKLIN DELANO ROOSEVELT, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:  ... that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself!

JOHN F. KENNEDY, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:  Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country!



SCARBOROUGH:  Oh~!  Coming up, Governor Carrot Top?  Hey, if Arnold can do it, why not?  The comedian comes to SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY for political boot camp.  But first, an exclusive look at “Dateline‘s” latest sex sting.  Wait until you see how this group of child predators tries to get out of trouble.



SCARBOROUGH:  Welcome back to SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY.  The details that unfolded after last week‘s stunning resignation by former Congressman Mark Foley played out like a scene right out of one of “Dateline‘s” sex predator stings.  Now, Foley‘s chat logs were eerily similar to the conversation from a parade of potential predators “Dateline‘s” been busting over the past few years.  And tomorrow night, they‘re back with part two of their California sex predator sting. 

It was an operation that netted almost 30 men looking for sex with underage teens.  We‘ll give you a sneak preview of that investigation in a minute, but first I want to bring back in “Dateline‘s” Chris Hansen. 

Chris, this latest investigation of yours takes place at the scene of a crime, an infamous crime about 12, 13 years ago that really focused Americans on child predators.  Tell us about it.

CHRIS HANSEN, DATELINE NBC:  You‘re exactly right.  It was one of the first big stories I covered for NBC News back in 1993 when I joined this company.  It was the kidnap and murder of a 12-year-old named Polly Klaas by a sexual predator.  And it happened in a sleepy, quaint, lovely, little town, Petaluma.

This predator came in through the window in the middle of the night, scared the other girls who were sleeping over at this house, and took Polly Klaas.  And she was found killed some days later. 

It is that event that has made that community, and specifically the police department there, vow that it would never happen again to another child in their town.  And that‘s part of the reason the Petaluma police reached out to online watchdog group, Perverted Justice, which contacted us, and we put together this latest hidden camera investigation in Petaluma. 

SCARBOROUGH:  And yet, despite the infamy of that case, all of these men came rushing forward.  It really is surprising. 

HANSEN:  It‘s amazing.  And, again, we‘re talking about men who in some cases now, Joe, have seen previous investigations, talk about them in the chat log, ask the decoy, “You‘re not ‘Dateline‘?  You‘re not the police?”  The decoy would say, “You know, well, I don‘t even know what ‘Dateline‘ is.”  And in spite of those reservations and those fears, these men are showing up anyway, and they continue to show up. 

SCARBOROUGH:  Unbelievable.  Hey, Chris, thanks so much.  And thank you so much for the work you do for “Dateline.”

Now, here‘s a first look at tomorrow‘s “Dateline” investigation. 


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Guess what?  I want to change my suit.  Does that sound good to you?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  That really sounds good.  I don‘t have a suit, though. 

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  That‘s OK.  You don‘t really need one. 


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Yes, jump in.  It‘s really warm.  I turned it on a couple of hours ago. 


HANSEN:  Keep your hands out of your pockets for me. 


HANSEN:  OK, now I want you to go sit down around the other side of the bar, please, right next stool.  Take a seat.  You can put your shirt on. 

What was your plan? 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I don‘t know.  Talk. 

HANSEN:  Talk?


HANSEN:  Be friends?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Yes.  As long as we‘re friends, that‘s fine.  As long as I don‘t, you know, cross that line.

HANSEN:  But, see, you talked about having sex with her. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  We did discuss oral sex, but...

HANSEN:  “I want to wrestle you so freakin‘ bad.”  “Wrestle me?”  “I‘d let you win just so I could feel you on top of me.”  “Blank it, I want to see you so bad.”

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Honest mistake?

HANSEN:  Honest mistake?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  This is my first time doing this. 

HANSEN:  First time?


HANSEN:  If she would have let you, you would have had sex with the girl? 


HANSEN:  Do you know that it‘s illegal to solicit someone who‘s underage online for sex?


HANSEN:  But it seems as though that is what you did here.  I mean, you could see how someone could draw this conclusion. 


HANSEN:  OK.  So what do you think should happen to you? 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I‘m not sure. 

HANSEN:  Well, there‘s something you got know, and that is I‘m Chris Hansen with “Dateline NBC,” and we‘re doing a story on adults who try to meet teens online for sex. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  No, there‘s nothing else for me to say.  Thank you very much. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Hands up!  Police department!  Hands up!


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  I made some lemonade.  Sit down for me. 



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Well, hang on.  You got to be patient for that. 


HANSEN:  No hug for me?


HANSEN:  No hug for me?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Oh, no.  Oh, no.

HANSEN:  Why don‘t you have a seat right over there for me. 


HANSEN:  Oh, no, what?  Come on.  Have a seat.


HANSEN:  Go ahead.  Please, sit down.  You‘re sorry for what? 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I think I know what this is. 

HANSEN:  Please, sit down. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I‘m not for that, seriously.  You‘re probably going to arrest me? 

HANSEN:  I‘m not going to arrest you, no. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Cops will probably? 

HANSEN:  I‘m not a cop.  Now, I‘ve got the entire transcript here, and no place does it say that she‘s 19.  I mean, you can go through it.  If you find it, you can tell me.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  No, I believe you.  How old did she say she was?

HANSEN:  Thirteen.


HANSEN:  She says that right off the get-go here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  You know, dude, I was actually home at that time really drunk.  I probably didn‘t even pay attention.

HANSEN:  So you didn‘t even notice that she was 13?


HANSEN:  Right now?  Yes, you are.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Can we turn that off, please?

HANSEN:  No, we can‘t.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Where is the police?  I know what‘s going to happen.  I watched your show on “Dateline.”  I would never do that. 

HANSEN:  So you‘ve seen the show?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Yes, I mean, I already...

HANSEN:  So you‘ve seen the show and you showed up here anyway?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I didn‘t know she was 13.  I‘m sorry. 

HANSEN:  Come on, though.  But it says right there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Could you please turn the camera off though?

HANSEN:  I cannot do that.  I‘m Chris Hansen from NBC...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I know.  Arrest me.  Well, I mean, I know the police is going to arrest me, so where do you want me to go and be arrested?  I can explain to the police.  I mean, look at me.  Do you think I would do something like that?  I‘m very professional. 

HANSEN:  Well, if you want to go, you should go out the same way you came. 



UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Keep your hands up.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  There you go. 

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Yes, come on to the back.  I made us some frozen lemonade. 


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Hey, did you bring condoms? 




HANSEN:  How are you tonight?


HANSEN:  Good.  Go ahead and have a seat, please. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Well, I had no intention of doing anything.  I mean, I don‘t have anything here with me. 

HANSEN:  Well, you just said you brought condoms. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I mean, it‘s not for here or anything. 

HANSEN:  Oh, it‘s not for here?  Where is it for?  You‘re here. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I‘m here.  I told...

HANSEN:  The condoms are here. 


HANSEN:  The girl is here. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I told her I just want to meet her and, you know, go out for something to eat. 

HANSEN:  You said you brought condoms, and now you say you didn‘t bring condoms. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I don‘t have condoms here with me. 

HANSEN:  Do you have them in your car?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  No.  In the car...

HANSEN:  “I would love to eat you there.” 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  That was not me. 

HANSEN:  That was not you?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  That was my friend. 

HANSEN:  That was your friend.  You said, “Do you like anal?”

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  That was, again, my friend.  That was not me. 

HANSEN:  And who is your friend?  What‘s his name?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Someone, you know, there was a party going on, and someone logged into my computer. 

HANSEN:  There was a party going on?  You say that you can do it hard and fast, put her legs on your shoulders and do it hard. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Well, that‘s again my friend. 

HANSEN:  She says, “What‘s your first name?”  The answer is, “Honorack.” (ph)  That‘s your name.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Yes, he used my name.  I don‘t know why.

HANSEN:  He did?

First of all, you say your friend did it.  Then you say you don‘t know the friend‘s name.  And then you say there were a bunch of people at a party, but you weren‘t there. 


HANSEN:  So how do you know that this all happened if you weren‘t there?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  There were so many guys in my apartment. 

HANSEN:  And when did the party take place?


HANSEN:  You know, there‘s more than one conversation here and more than one reference to sex.  So either you had a party over a several-day period and people had control of your computer, and you‘re telling me a big, fat lie. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Well, first of all, I want to know who you are.

HANSEN:  You want to know who I am?  I‘m Chris Hansen with “Dateline NBC,” and we‘re doing a story on adults who try to meet teens online for sex.  Now, if there‘s anything else you‘d like to tell me... 


HANSEN:  Otherwise, obviously, you can walk right out the door you came in. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Police department.  Let me see your hands.  Hands up, hands up.


SCARBOROUGH:  And make sure that you catch that entire “Dateline” investigation tomorrow night at 9:00 on NBC.  I love seeing those guys getting busted. 

Moving on to the Anna Nicole Smith saga, the former Playmate was thrust into headlines last month after her 20-year-old son suddenly died.  And she hasn‘t left since.  Tonight, it‘s new photos from “People” magazine of a commitment ceremony she held with her long-time attorney down in the Bahamas.  But the questions still linger:  Is she married?  Isn‘t she?  Is her attorney the father of her baby, or does it actually belong to an ex-boyfriend?

NBC‘s Peter Alexander has the latest on the sordid Anna Nicole saga.


PETER ALEXANDER, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over):  It‘s our first look at Anna Nicole Smith‘s new family, including baby girl Dannie Lynn, named after her brother, Daniel, who died shortly after she was born.  Celebrity photographer Larry Birkhead, now claims he‘s the dad and has come out swinging through his attorney.

DEBRA OPRI, DEFENSE ATTORNEY:  Anna, I‘m talking to you directly now, and I want you to listen to me, and I want you to hear what I have to tell you. 

ALEXANDER:  Birkhead filed a lawsuit Wednesday demanding Anna Nicole and her baby return from the Bahamas to California for DNA testing. 

OPRI:  If you are so certain that Larry Birkhead is not the father, then you have nothing, absolutely nothing, to lose by submitting to this jurisdiction and allowing a paternity test. 

ALEXANDER:  And in the other corner, Anna Nicole‘s long-time lawyer, Howard K. Stern. 

LARRY KING, CNN HOST:  So you are the father? 


ALEXANDER:  The couple celebrated a commitment ceremony off the coast of the Bahamas last week.  Not a legal marriage, but, according to friends, a morale booster after the death of her son, Daniel.  The exclusive pictures are on stands in “People” magazine tomorrow. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  It was a very casual affair.  It was catered by Kentucky Fried Chicken.  They said their vows, and then they jumped in the water. 

ALEXANDER:  Like pretty much everything else in Anna Nicole Smith‘s life, this is not your ordinary paternity suit.  She‘s still fighting over her late husband‘s billion-dollar fortune, something the baby and anyone in her life could stand to share. 

NEAL HERSH, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY:  California courts will most likely say that Anna Nicole and her daughter may continue to reside in the Bahamas.  A blood test will be ordered, and the court will then be able to determine who is the father of this child once and for all. 

ALEXANDER:  After the tragedy of losing her son, Anna Nicole‘s life has once again become a three-ring circus, with two men claiming to be Dannie Lynn‘s dad. 

Peter Alexander, NBC News, Hollywood.


SCARBOROUGH:  She certainly looks strangely happy just a couple of days after her son‘s death.  I don‘t understand it, but thank God I don‘t have to understand her. 

Coming up next, it‘s “Extreme Makeover: SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY Edition,” as we try to help Carrot Top get ready to run for political office.  Help me, Rhonda.  And later, is TomKat saying goodbye to “Hollyweird”?  We‘ll tell you where Suri and her folks may be moving. 


SCARBOROUGH:  Hey, welcome back.  You know, just open up a newspaper and you can see pop culture is invading the crusty old world of politics.  From Arnold Schwarzenegger in California to Jesse Ventura in Minnesota, it seems more and more pop icons want to trade in their celebrity for a run at political office.  Rocker Kinky Friedman is trying to win the governor‘s mansion in Texas.  George Clooney is feverishly denying rumors that he‘s getting into the political game.  And so is Lance Armstrong, who seemed to leave the door open on Monday‘s “Today” show. 

So when I was approached recently by a big Hollywood agent about helping a celebrity get into politics, I thought it was a great idea.  I was wrong. 


SCARBOROUGH:  All right, Steve.  So what do you got, buddy? 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Joe, I need your help with somebody. 

SCARBOROUGH:  What‘s that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  A good friend of mine, major celebrity wants to run for public office and needs consultation.  You‘re the guy.  You‘re it.

SCARBOROUGH:  A celebrity?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Yes, yes, huge.  Gigantic.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Big.  Major.  Hot stuff.

SCARBOROUGH:  What, is this Clooney? 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Bigger than George Clooney.  Bigger, Joe.

SCARBOROUGH:  Bigger than George Clooney? 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Yes, yes, yes.

SCARBOROUGH:  My God, what does he want to run for?  You know, I‘m very interested. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Governor of the state of Florida. 

SCARBOROUGH:  You‘re kidding me, Florida? 


SCARBOROUGH:  That‘s my home state!


SCARBOROUGH:  Did I ever tell you I was congressman from Florida?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Yes, yes, yes.

SCARBOROUGH:  I was thinking about running for Senate, huh?  So I can help this guy get elected?  God. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  No one knows the state better than you, Joe. 

SCARBOROUGH:  Bigger than freaking George Clooney?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  And wait until you find out who he is.

CARROT TOP, COMEDIAN:  That‘s good.  Hey, you got caller line two.  Remember that legal pad?  A smaller one would be an illegal pad.  Smaller, younger.  That was kind of good.  This one‘s a hot room.  It‘s a hot room.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Joe, I give you Carrot Top.

CARROT TOP:  Hey, Keith Olbermann.  I love your show.

SCARBOROUGH:  This is the guy?

CARROT TOP:  I even wore a good shirt, tucked it in and everything. 

Huh, look at that?

SCARBOROUGH:  Interested in politics, huh? 

CARROT TOP:  Yes, I think so. 

SCARBOROUGH:  All right, have a seat.

CARROT TOP:  All right, this is going to be good.

SCARBOROUGH:  I‘m going to walk you through a political boot camp. 

CARROT TOP:  OK.  Now we‘re talking. 

SCARBOROUGH:  We‘ve got to work on the platform...

CARROT TOP:  I see we‘re working as a team here.

SCARBOROUGH:  OK, I can tell—you‘ve probably got some scandals in your background.  The first thing we‘re going to do, I‘m going take you to...


SCARBOROUGH:  ... I‘m going to show you how the pros avoid the scandal.

CARROT TOP:  You are the man.  This is going to be good.

SCARBOROUGH:  I‘m going to help you.

CARROT TOP:  We‘re at MSNBC.  We can get all my background, all my dirt?  Get rid of it?  Hide it.  You make it happen.  Make it happen.

SCARBOROUGH:  We‘ll hide it.  You‘re going to have to make it happen.

CARROT TOP:  Does that mean you‘re going help me? 

SCARBOROUGH:  I‘m holding you accountable. 


SCARBOROUGH:  This is my reputation.

CARROT TOP:  We‘re doing it.  We‘re doing it!  Come on!  We‘re doing it.  Come on, Joe.  This is going be great.  I love this idea.  This is going to be so great, you helping me.  See (INAUDIBLE) I‘m Joe Scarborough‘s main man. 

SCARBOROUGH:  You know what?

CARROT TOP:  This is going to be good. 

SCARBOROUGH:  Just don‘t embarrass me. 

CARROT TOP:  I‘m not going to—am I going to embarrass you?  I‘m not going to embarrass you.  (INAUDIBLE)  Don‘t do that.  That‘s part of my—

I‘m Joe Scarborough.  Look how big I am. 

SCARBOROUGH:  Good God.  Don‘t do that.

CARROT TOP:  I can help—you got to help me.

SCARBOROUGH:  How can you help me? 

CARROT TOP:  I can save you a nickel or two on a collect call.

SCARBOROUGH:  When a political scandal comes, the number-one rule is deny. 


SCARBOROUGH:  Number-two and -three rules?  Deny and deny. 

CARROT TOP:  It‘s like real estate, location, location, location. 

SCARBOROUGH:  Deny, deny, deny.  We‘re going to learn at the feet of the master now.

CARROT TOP:  All right, cool.

BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:  I did not have sexual relations with that woman. 

SCARBOROUGH:  He‘s good, isn‘t he? 

CARROT TOP:  He‘s good.  He‘s better than Mr. T.

SCARBOROUGH:  Can you do that?

CARROT TOP:  “I did not have sexual relations with that woman.” 


CARROT TOP:  I take that back. 


CARROT TOP:  We‘ve got to go for the laugh.  I‘m the governor. 

There‘s never been a funny governor, has there?

SCARBOROUGH:  Yes, there‘s not going to be one if you‘re the only solution to that problem.

CARROT TOP:  Well, that‘s a really bad attitude.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  He‘s got some great ideas.  It‘s a good change for Florida.

SCARBOROUGH:  So you think he‘s going to be good for Florida?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I think it might work. 

SCARBOROUGH:  Do you think he can be a serious enough candidate for Florida?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Yes, I think he can.

CARROT TOP:  Give one to Chris Matthews.  Send one to Joe.  I‘ll send one—no, I‘m making copies.



SCARBOROUGH:  ... you‘re going have to get that hair fixed.  Now, sit down. 

CARROT TOP:  I worked hard on this hair.

SCARBOROUGH:  Sit down!  I tell you what:  Why don‘t you just...

CARROT TOP:  Just a little trim.

SCARBOROUGH:  Kind of make it look like mine. 

CARROT TOP:  Oh, God.  Are you out of your mind?  No, God.

SCARBOROUGH:  You‘re going look into the camera...


SCARBOROUGH:  ... and I want you to start practicing, three, two, one... 

CARROT TOP:  Poor George, born with a silver foot in his mouth. 

SCARBOROUGH:  I don‘t know if you watch the news or not. 

CARROT TOP:  I‘ve seen it.

SCARBOROUGH:  But she‘s dead.

CARROT TOP:  Huh?  She‘s not dead, stop it.

SCARBOROUGH:  She died last week.  You may not want to make fun of Anne Richards. 

CARROT TOP:  She really died? 

SCARBOROUGH:  You know what?  Why don‘t we just remember this, OK?

CARROT TOP:  Aw, crikey!  You don‘t want to go there. 

SCARBOROUGH:  Screw it.  I‘m out of here. 

CARROT TOP:  Come on, Joe.  Settle down. 


CARROT TOP:  You know, screw the governor.  Think about it.  I‘m on cable, baby.  I can see it now, “CARROT COUNTRY.” 

ANNOUNCER:  From Coco Beach to Venice Beach to the Las Vegas strip, Carrot Top has seen it all.  Welcome to CARROT COUNTRY.

CARROT TOP:  That‘s the way it is, here in CARROT COUNTRY. 


SCARBOROUGH:  I don‘t see it, Michael.  What about you? 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  It‘s a possibility. 

SCARBOROUGH:  It‘s a possibility—we are, after all, MSNBC.  Thank you, Carrot Top.  And if you‘re in Vegas, make sure to catch Carrot Top‘s comedy act at the Luxor Hotel.  We‘ll be right back with “Hollyweird.”


SCARBOROUGH:  Come aboard the private jet, it‘s time to fly through “Hollyweird.”  First up, Kim Basinger facing contempt charges.  It‘s just the latest chapter in the epic four-year custody battle between Basinger and ex Alec Baldwin.  Here to guide us through “Hollyweird” are “Hollyweird” sherpas Courtney Hazlett, from “OK” magazine, and Jill Dobson from “Star” magazine. 

Courtney, this is ugly, huh?  I mean, why don‘t they grow up and worry about their 10-year-old daughter?

COURTNEY HAZLETT, “OK” MAGAZINE:  I know.  Stop the ride.  I want to get off.  This is the longest divorce in Hollywood history.  Most people try to get it done quickly.  This is not the case this time.

SCARBOROUGH:  It‘s ugly.  And these people, I mean, they have a pretty rough background, don‘t they?

HAZLETT:  You know, they do.  And I never thought I‘d say this, but let‘s take a lesson from Charlie Sheen and Denise Richards. 


HAZLETT:  I mean, talk about mudslinging.  But they got over it quickly, and they wrapped things up.

SCARBOROUGH:  Yes, and what‘s the contempt thing all about, Jill Dobson? 


SCARBOROUGH:  What‘s the contempt thing all about here? 

DOBSON:  Oh, yes, well, she was supposed to allow him to see the child.  She apparently wasn‘t doing that.  And so she was held for 12 counts of contempt of court and, with that, a $12,000 fine.  Now, through her attorney, she pled not guilty, but this case has been dragging on for four years.  It‘s been one of the ugliest cases of a child custody case we‘ve seen in Hollywood.

SCARBOROUGH:  And, again, the tragedy—the girl, I think, is 10 years old.  And, my gosh, it just keeps going on and on and on. 

To some lighter news.  “Housewife” Eva Longoria is so desperate to save her relationship with the basketball star, Tony Parker, that she flew to Paris where Parker is playing exhibition games to try to reconcile in the city of love.  Tell us about it, Courtney. 

HAZLETT:  You know, Eva Longoria and Tony Parker reportedly split.  And this is like kind of a lesson in there‘s no good that really comes from flaunting your Hollywood relationship.  It was rumored they split.  And then it was rumored that she was hooking up with Mario Lopez, who‘s an ex of hers and also on “Dancing with the Stars.”  Reportedly, she was just at the “Dancing with the Stars” taping last night, but if she‘s going to Paris, we hope it will patch things up. 

SCARBOROUGH:  We hope it will.


SCARBOROUGH:  And I‘ll tell you what, Jill, these “Dancing with Stars” types getting in trouble these days, right?  Paris beating them up?  I mean, come on.  They‘re runaway beer trucks.

DOBSON:  That‘s right.  Well, yes, Shanna Moakler reportedly punched Paris in the face.  Now Mario‘s flirting with Tony Parker‘s girl, Eva Longoria.  You got to watch out for those “Dancing with the Stars.”

SCARBOROUGH:  God, it sounds like MSNBC.

DOBSON:  Because they‘re feisty.

SCARBOROUGH:  And I‘m not going to even tell you...


SCARBOROUGH:  I‘m not even going to tell you the hell with Tucker, the reign of Tucker Carlson, even though he didn‘t really dance.  He just kind of walked across the stage. 

DOBSON:  He just kind of sat in his chair.

SCARBOROUGH:  Yes, it was kind of “Walking with the Stars” and “Sitting with the Stars.”  I love it, though.

But, anyway, TomKat is talking about walking across the country.  They‘re in a real estate prowl.  Tom Cruise, Katie Holmes may be moving to Virginia, where it‘s rumored they‘re finalizing a deal to purchase—well, it‘s almost as much as my home—a $22 million home. 

Jill, tell us about that. 

DOBSON:  Well, Tom and Katie have been looking at this estate.  And as you said, it‘s worth $22 million.  There‘s some speculation as to why they‘d want to be that far away from Hollywood.  Some people are saying, “Well, Katie is from Toledo, Ohio.  Maybe she‘ll be a little bit closer to her family this way and out of that media glare that they used to love but lately they‘ve been trying to avoid.” 

SCARBOROUGH:  And that‘s the whole thing, they‘re trying to get out of the media glare, $22 million.  I mean, it sounds like—you know, they almost have as much money as you do, with all the lavish parties you through. 

HAZLETT:  Almost.  Almost. 

SCARBOROUGH:  So talk about this.  You think it‘s really they just want to get out of Hollywood? 

HAZLETT:  Well, you know, there‘s a lot to be said for this report, because Tom has had a house in Telluride, one that he shared with Nicole Kidman, and the “Vanity Fair” pictures were taken of that house.  But there‘s been reports that there is a little bit of tension that Tom shared that house with Nicole, so it‘s a little weird.  It‘s a great getaway, but at the same point of time, it‘s like, “Well, you were here with her.”


HAZLETT:  So this might be a good chance to have a getaway and wipe the slate clean. 

SCARBOROUGH:  Yes, wipe the slate clean.  Moving up the charts right now in Europe, the Hoff, now at number five.  Great news, huh, Jill?

DOBSON:  That‘s right.  You know, last night on your show, Joe, I predicted he‘d be in the top 10 by tonight.

SCARBOROUGH:  You predicted this.

DOBSON:  And top five, look at that.

SCARBOROUGH:  We are—I guess, if you have a music release, a CD that you‘ve released in Europe, you want to be promoted here, right?

DOBSON:  You want to do it here on SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY.

SCARBOROUGH:  That‘s big.  You think we can get the Hoff in here to dance with us one day, Courtney? 

HAZLETT:  We can only hope. 

SCARBOROUGH:  All right.  Very good.  Hey, Courtney Hazlett, thank you as always.

HAZLETT:  Anytime.

SCARBOROUGH:  Greatly appreciate it.  Jill Dobson, thank you so much. 

We really do appreciate you being here.

DOBSON:  Sure.

SCARBOROUGH:  That‘s all the time we have for tonight.  “PAMELA SMART: 

A DEADLY AFFAIR” starts next on MSNBC.  Now to more Hoff.



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