>>
on.
>>>
but we'll begin with what could be the
beginning of the end
of
david
goldman
's five-year battle to win back his son. nbc's
jeff rossen
spoke with him exclusively shortly before
goldman
headed to
brazil
. good morning to you.
>>
hi,
meredith
. good to see you this morning. finally, good news in this case.
david
goldman
, as you mentioned, is on a plane right now headed to
brazil
to pick up his son
sean
and hopefully bring him home. the new
brazil
court ruling
is pretty clear --
david
and
sean
,
father and son
, should be reunited by friday. but in this case, as we've seen, anything can happen, and
david
goldman
knows it. late yesterday he sat down with me for an exclusive interview. good to see you.
>>
you too.
>>
your heart must be beating right now.
>>
i'm focused.
>>
reporter: we met with
david
goldman
wednesday, just after the judge's ruling, a
unanimous decision
by
brazil
's
federal appeals court
, saying
sean
goldman
belongs with his father,
david
, and they belong at home in the u.s.
>>
it's a great ruling. i mean, they upheld the return order unanimously. that
's wonderful
. thank god.
>>
yippee!
>>
yippee.
>>
reporter: the judge has ordered
sean
be returned to
david
within
48 hours
, setting the stage for an emotional reunion in
brazil
on friday. you just found out about this hours ago. how are you feeling right now? what's going through your heart and your mind?
>>
i'm so guarded and protected. i have to preserve myself and my emotions. until we are on a plane, and essentially, until the wheels have landed back home, i only have one vision, and that's just to save him and bring him back.
>>
reporter: do you think this is it this time, you're getting him?
>>
i hope so. he's my son. i'm his only dad. i'm hopeful that i will go down there and bring him home.
>>
reporter: but
david
goldman
's been burned so many times before -- last-minute appeals and legal loopholes always did him in.
david
's wife took
sean
to
brazil
to visit her family in
2004
, yet they never came back. from
brazil
, she divorced
david
, remarried, got pregnant and died during childbirth. her new brazilian husband has been fighting to keep
sean
with him. and until now, the brazilian courts mostly ruled in his favor. so, it's understandable that
david
isn't jumping for joy yet.
>>
i've been fighting for my own son for over five years. so, again, i've been off that
roller coaster
. i got off it a while ago.
>>
reporter: the emotional
roller coaster
?
>>
yeah. to stay on it would kill you.
>>
reporter: but
david
never gave up. his fight caught the attention of secretary of state
hillary clinton
.
>>
we will continue to support mr.
goldman
.
>>
reporter: even
president obama
got involved, discussing the case with
brazil
's president.
david
says the
brazilian government
has ignored
international law
, saying kidnapped children must be returned home. in fact, just before our interview, there was another setback. the brazilian family has already filed appeals and a motion to stay, to try to block you from taking him back home.
>>
it's to be expected, and who knows what will happen. he's everything. he's my child, my
flesh and blood
. he was my best buddy, and it's not over yet. it's not over yet.
>>
he says
sean
has been hurt by his brazilian family.
david
calls them the kidnappers. the reunion could happen tomorrow. but as we mentioned, there's already a motion,
meredith
, to block the reunion. we're told the brazilian judges could hear that motion today.
>>
all right,
jeff rossen
, thanks very much.
patricia
appy is
david
goldman
's lawyer, with us exclusively this morning. good morning,
patricia
.
>>
good morning,
meredith
.
>>
i know you haven't slept very much last night. you said to me before we were moving to break, it's been quite an odyssey for you the past
48 hours
. what do you mean?
>>
we were told that a decision was coming down. of course, when we received it, it's in portuguese. we're going to be getting information from our brazilian lawyer telling us what's in it, but it's basically a situation where i can't read the decision, our client is on an airplane on his way, not really knowing what the decision says, other than there's supposed to be a handoff of
sean
48 hours
from when the decision was rendered, which would put us somewhere in the middle of friday afternoon.
>>
but now you have more road blocks with this appeal and the motion to stay. and i understand also that
sean
's maternal grandmother has filed for custody of him as well?
>>
well, there have been over 25 applications made since the original ruling, brazilian ruling, that
sean
should be returned. there are a couple of additional ones that we expected would be filed. this is very different, though. these appeals really don't address the merits, and the merits of this case have been set by the brazilian court. they've indicated that this child should be returned and should be returned immediately, and our position is that there is discretion for the court to deny the stays, that
sean
should be sent home immediately, and if they really want to comply with the treaty and be expeditious, now is the time to do it.
>>
and when will they hear these appeals?
>>
well, the
supreme court
is sitting, and we understand that this has been -- the stay application's been made to the
supreme court
. we're hopeful they will use this opportunity to comply with the treaty and immediately reject the stay and permit
sean
to travel. so, hopefully, as early as today.
>>
david
's own lawyer in
brazil
was quoted yesterday saying he doesn't expect a final resolution until at least the first half of next year. what's your position on that?
>>
well, he's got to be conservative in terms of what's going to happen. certainly, there are the opportunities for this to continue to be dragged through procedural morass. if the
brazilian government
and brazilian judiciary mean what they say, it shouldn't happen here.
>>
are you at all concerned that
sean
's brazilian family may ignore any order and take off with the boy?
>>
yes.
>>
that is a concern?
>>
absolutely. they hold passports for countries other than
brazil
. happily, i think the community has been sensitized to the situation. so, we're hopeful that finally, finally, the rule of law will apply, the brazilian judiciary and the brazilian family will work with us in the restoration of
sean
to the
united states
and his father.
>>
yeah. in the meantime,
david
goldman
has said on numerous occasions that he believes that that family has poisoned his relationship with
sean
over all these years.
>>
i think that they've attempted to do that. the best remedy for that is contact. and i believe that nothing will be more healing to
sean
than being able to spend time with
david
.
>>
and
david
also has not spoken with
sean
since june? why is that?
>>
the brazilian family has consistently from the inception of this case prevented any telephone or personal contact that wasn't court ordered. and even the court-ordered access, they've denied. so, frankly, they won't provide the contact. and of course, every contact that
david
does have with
sean
is coupled with this abusive,
emotionally abusive
behavior that
sean
has after
david
leaves. so, there's a real concern there.
>>
you know, it's funny, i would think to see some elation on your face this morning. i know you're tired, but i think you're just as cautious as
david
right now.
>>
mainly cautious with respect to
david
's hopes but also very concerned that the message gets out that i am expecting the
brazilian government
and brazilian judiciary to do what they're supposed to do. this is their chance to demonstrate that the rule of law is going to apply in
brazil
.
>>
patricia
appy, thanks very much for being with us this
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