updated 3/26/2010 11:21:27 AM ET 2010-03-26T15:21:27

Guest: Jim Moran, A.B. Stoddard, Ron Wyden, John Boccieri, Bill Press, Michael Medved, Maryann Woods-Murphy, David Boisse

ED SCHULTZ, HOST:  Good evening, Americans, and welcome to THE ED SHOW

tonight from New York.

These stories on the board, hitting my hot buttons tonight.

Democrats are to blame for death threats against members of their own

party?  Republican Whip Eric Cantor is accusing Democrats of fanning the

flames. 

Much more on that in just a moment. 

The House is getting ready for a final vote after the Senate

reconciliation bill passes this afternoon.  In Iowa, President Obama tells

Republicans to, hey, bring it on if that‘s what you want to run on in the

midterms, repealing the health care reform bill. 

Plus—and I love this story—a New Jersey teacher of the year, she

is schooling Republican Governor Chris Christie for slashing education

funding.  Well, that‘s what happens in New Jersey when you elect a righty. 

This guy‘s not Bush lite, he‘s Bush heavy. 

And that‘s going to be in the “Playbook” tonight. 

But, of course, the story that has got me fired up off the top

tonight, freedom of speech.  Now, we have to put all this into context. 

Freedom of speech—most of all, it is a responsibility.  And we need

to remember that. 

Capitol Hill Police are on high alert tonight.  Members of Congress

are hiring extra security and some are considering moving their families

out of their home districts.  Tea Partiers and leaders of the Republican

Party are trying to now distance themselves from all the rhetoric and

threats. 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REP. JOHN BOEHNER ®, MINORITY LEADER:  Violence and threats are

unacceptable.  They have no place in a political debate. 

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REP. ERIC CANTOR ®, MINORITY WHIP:  I do not condone violence. 

There are no leaders in this building, no rank and file members in this

building that condone violence, period. 

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ:  Oh, it‘s so great that they‘ve come out on a Thursday

afternoon, when most of this took place on a Sunday.  That‘s exactly right. 

That was what you just saw.

That‘s the right thing to do, but it‘s a little late boys. 

But our friends in the Republican Party, you see, they couldn‘t just

leave it there.  They had to turn it into a political football. 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CANTOR:  It is reckless to use these incidents as media vehicles for

political gain.  That is why have deep concerns that some, DCCC Chairman

Chris Van Hollen and DNC Chairman Tim Kaine in particular, are dangerously

fanning the flames by suggesting that these incidents be used as a

political weapon. 

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ:  All right, Mr. Cantor.  It‘s not Chris Van Hollen‘s fault

when Democrats get death threats.  It‘s not Chris Van Hollen‘s fault

because he‘s not the guy that said “You lie.”  He‘s not the guy that said

“Baby killer” on the House floor.  That was your party, buddy. 

That kind of rhetoric leads to Congressman Bart Stupak getting these

kind of voicemails at home -- 

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Congressman Stupak, you baby-killing (EXPLETIVE

DELETED), you turncoat son of a (EXPLETIVE DELETED), I hope you fell (ph)

out your (EXPLETIVE DELETED), got cancer and die.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  You are a bastard and a baby killer.  You will

rue the day you did this, Mr. Stupak.  You are a disgusting man, and I hope

you‘re haunted the rest of your living days.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Stupak, you‘re a lowlife, baby-murdering,

scumbag pile of steaming crap.  You and your family are scum.  You ought to

fill your pockets with lead and jump into the Potomac.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Congressman Stupak, you are one big piece of

human (EXPLETIVE DELETED).  There are millions of people across the country

who wish you ill.  And all of those thoughts projected on you will

materialize into something that‘s not very good for you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Go to hell, you piece of (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

(END AUDIO CLIP)

SCHULTZ:  What time is the church service on Sunday?  What faith do

they belong to? 

You know what that is, folks?  That is 100 percent right-wing hate. 

The Republicans are trying to play, all of a sudden, the victim. 

They don‘t get it.  This isn‘t about right or left, it‘s about life

and death.  They can‘t grasp how serious this is. 

Take a look at “Mr. Country First” on “The Today Show” this morning. 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. JOHN MCCAIN ®, ARIZONA:  I have seen the rhetoric of targeted

districts as long as I‘ve been in politics.  Please.  Any threat of

violence is terrible, but to say that there‘s a targeted district, or that

we reload or go back into the fight again, please—

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Well, those are not my words, those are her

words. 

MCCAIN:  Those are fine. 

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ:  Actually, John McCain, the guy that cut the propane line at

the congressman‘s brother‘s house, he was actually digging a goose pit and

getting ready for the fall season early on.  Come on!

You know, it‘s fine to put targets on congressional districts and tell

people to reload?  Unbelievable. 

The maverick is long gone.  John McCain has morphed into a win-at-all-

costs politician. 

Senator Jim DeMint of South Carolina, he‘s no better.  This is what he

told “The Huffington Post” late last night when he was interviewed. 

He said, “We have not yet begun to fight.  I‘ll put it that way. 

We‘re going to see in November really who wins this battle, and I think

it‘s going to be the American people.”

OK, if you‘re just counting votes and not heads. 

You know, everything has to be a fight or a battle with the

Republicans.  This rhetoric is nothing short of reckless at this point. 

The Republican Party is so beholden to the right-wing media, they

can‘t show enough guts to act human at this point because they lost on

health care reform.  They want people to believe that the Democrats, you

know, they‘re the ones that are unplugging granny and killing the babies. 

They pushed the idea of the government takeover, they pushed the idea of

indoctrination camps for your kids. 

I mean, they are the party of Waterloo.  This, along with the never

ending barrage of right-wing media, is leading to political terrorism. 

At this hour, many Americans are wondering, how is this whole thing

going to end? 

We have guns and ammunition that are absolutely flying off the shelves

of sporting shops in this country.  Why?  People are being led to believe

that something really evil is going to happen, that progressives are a

cancer, Obama is going to get your gun? 

Now, I hope that this does not end in a loss of life, because that‘s

where it could go.  Everyone needs to take a step back, quit the mentality

of win at all costs.

The health care bill is passed.  The only way to change it is to go

back and win elections.  And all of these nut jobs that out there that are,

you know, feeding the emotions of the disgruntled, you‘re hurting America. 

That‘s not America at all. 

Tell me what you think in our telephone survey tonight, folks.  The

number to dial is 1-877-ED-MSNBC. 

Do you blame the Republicans for the increase of violent threats to

lawmakers?  Press the number 1 for yes, press the number 2 for no.  I‘ll

bring you the results later on in the show. 

Joining me now is Virginia Congressman Jim Moran, who was confronted

by the Tea Party protesters outside his office on Capitol Hill on Sunday. 

Congressman, good to have you with us tonight. 

REP. JIM MORAN (D), VIRGINIA:  It‘s good to be with you, Ed, but we

need you here, not in New York.  We need you down here.  The front lines,

my friend. 

SCHULTZ:  This is the best I can do, Jim.  What you see is what you

get. 

MORAN:  I understand.  Go ahead.  Ask your question.  I got you. 

SCHULTZ:  All right.  Now, it‘s Thursday afternoon when the

Republicans decide to come out after all of this took place on Sunday.  And

yet, they are accusing the Democrats of using all of this as political

theater and posturing, you know, and they‘re playing the role of the

victim. 

Piece it all together for us at this hour.  What do you think is going

on and what‘s the next move? 

MORAN:  Well, right now, they‘re defensive.  They have got a tiger by

the tail, they don‘t know what to do with them.  They can‘t put them in a

different direction.

They‘re trying to blame us, which is a common tactic.  You know, no

Democrat has—that I‘m aware of—has said anything inappropriate, has

tried to act civil. 

We want to focus on the bill itself.  They want to play this politics

of personal destruction. 

Eric Cantor is particularly defensive because the majority leader,

John Boehner, his colleague, has said a number of things himself.  For

example, Steve Driehaus, he said when he goes back to Cincinnati, he‘s a

dead man.  Well, you know, that‘s not—the majority leader of the

Republican Party in the Congress of the United States says those things? 

But, Ed, everybody is getting it.  My staff just passed on an example

of what we‘re getting.  You know, this just came through, “You Marxist scum

are not going to”—and then your staff asked me to blank out this word—

“on the Constitution.  You are done.”  Some of the stuff says, “You are

dead,” that kind of stuff. 

Most people are not going to do anything with this, but there are a

few on the margins who are going to react irrationally, like the guy who

flew the plane into the IRS building, the guy that came with guns to the

Pentagon.  I‘m worried about this. 

This is the kind of stuff that happened during the Civil Rights Act

passage.  And, you know, the Republicans, it‘s their people, they have to

pull them back.  These Tea Party folks, they energized them, they empowered

them, and now they don‘t know what to do with them. 

SCHULTZ:  Congressman, I know that 10 congressional members have asked

for security.  Why don‘t we just protect all representatives and senators

for a while until everything calms down? 

MORAN:  Well, we can do that.  I mean, I‘m not going to ask for

security.  You know, I don‘t want the taxpayers—

(CROSSTALK)

SCHULTZ:  Well, if you‘re getting that kind of material, Jim—if

you‘re getting that kind of material, what does warrant security at this

point?

MORAN:  If you were a Senator, would you ask for security?  I know you

wouldn‘t.  We‘re not going to ask for security.

My kids are grown.  My youngest son, he‘s a big football player up at

Yale.  That‘s the last thing I need to worry about, is security for him.

I‘m OK, but I worry about these young guys with kids.  Their wives are

calling saying they can‘t go to the grocery store with their children

because of the threats they‘re getting.  And it‘s happening all over the

country. 

It‘s not anywhere near a majority of people.  I‘m sure it‘s a small

minority.  But these people are not nice people.  And it only takes a

handful to cause some real destruction. 

I think there should be security for the families.  Not so much the

members, the families who are back home having to deal with it. 

We‘ve got our colleagues here.  We‘ve got the U.S. Capitol Police. 

Back home is the problem, and that‘s where we ought to have the security

for them. 

SCHULTZ:  OK.  And my only suggestion for security is that, if, God

forbid, something were to happen, wherever there‘s an action, there‘s a

reaction.  I mean, you just never know where it‘s going to end. 

MORAN:  Of course, you know, these are bullies, and bullies always

back off.  The only people that had the courage to confront them on Sunday

were the nuns. 

The only placards that said “We‘re Catholic and we‘re for health care

reform,” the nuns, and they walked right into the crowd holding those signs

high.  And all those bullies backed off when they saw them. 

But otherwise, when you retreat—these folks, they feel empowered

right now.  They don‘t represent America.  They don‘t even represent a

minority America.  But they can do damage.

And they think they have the support of the Republican Party.  So it‘s

incumbent upon the Republican leadership to say, no, they don‘t have our

support, we don‘t approve of what they‘re doing, this has got to stop. 

SCHULTZ:  Congressman, good to have you with us tonight.  Thanks for

speaking up.  I appreciate it.

The Republicans are digging in with their “Just say no” strategy.  Now

they‘re accusing Democrats of fanning the flames of violence.  If this is

their winning strategy for the midterms, I guess a lot of Democrats would

welcome it at this point. 

A.B. Stoddard, columnist and associate editor of “The Hill,” with us

tonight. 

A.B., break is down for us at this point.  Do you think this will

subside, or do you think that the rhetoric will continue when they go home

for the Easter break? 

A.B. STODDARD, ASSOCIATE EDITOR, “THE HILL”:  Well, I think members

will confront a lot of protests at home when they go back to their

districts after this vote.  I don‘t think the anger is going to dissipate

next week. 

In terms of threats, maybe those will subside.  But certainly protests

at public events they hold are going to take place.  I don‘t see that going

away for a while. 

We know that the people who oppose the health care reform law are

fired up and they are going to remain so.  We hope that they‘re not going

to threaten the security of lawmakers and their families anymore, but I

think that the protests will continue for a while. 

There is a protest planned by Tea Partiers for the Senate

parliamentarian‘s home.  I thought people had better things to do with

their time, but apparently, he‘s fair game, too. 

SCHULTZ:  OK.  Let‘s take a look at the strategy of all of this. 

The Republicans say that they‘re going to run on repeal, and they‘re

parsing out exactly what they‘re going after. 

This was the president‘s response today in Iowa City, Iowa -- 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:  Now that they passed

it, now that we passed it, they‘re already promising to repeal it.  They‘re

actually going to run on a platform of repeal in November. 

You‘ve been hearing that.  And my attitude is, go for it!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ:  A.B., it just seems to me that a lot of people in the media

are afraid to say that the Republicans are the big losers on this.  What

have they done for the country since Barack Obama has gotten into office? 

They haven‘t helped him on anything. 

STODDARD:  You know, Ed, I‘m going to say this about the Republicans -

I think they mounted a very credible fight on health care.  There are a

lot of Democrats and Independents and Republicans who do not like the

health care reform law and think there are a lot of problems with it, and

they have a legitimate point. 

I think that ever since Sunday night, the Republicans have made a

mistake talking about repeal.  They‘re bickering among themselves about

repeal and replace, or partial repeal, or replacing the bipartisan bill. 

They don‘t know what song page they‘re on at this point, and it‘s a

political gimmick and it‘s not good for them. 

If they‘re opposed to this law, they can keep talking that up to their

constituents back home and they can see who wins at the ballot box in

November.  But lying to the voters about this being something they can

repeal is just a gimmick and it‘s not true. 

They know that President Obama would veto any attempt to repeal,

they‘d have to take back control of all of D.C., of the Congress, of the

presidency in order to get rid of this.  So it‘s just a gimmick and it‘s

not true.  And I think in the end, they‘re going to reverse the gains they

made in the least year, when they were making a real policy-based case

against the health care reform bill. 

SCHULTZ:  A.B. Stoddard, nice to have you with us tonight.  Thank you

so much.

STODDARD:  Thanks, Ed. 

SCHULTZ:  Coming up, I will talk to Congressman John Boccieri.  He has

been on the receiving end of threats.  And as a former Air Force major and

pilot, the last thing he ever expected to be was in harm‘s way while

serving in the Congress.

That‘s coming up at the bottom of the hour. 

And with the help of Senator Ron Wyden, the Senate passed the fix-it

bill today, and we‘ll talk to him about that.

I‘m calling out the Democrats who voted no.  There‘s three of them.  I

think they ought to be ashamed or they‘re in the wrong caucus. 

All that, plus John McCain and Sarah Palin reunite.

And a “Fox and Friend” lands in the zone.

You‘re watching THE ED SHOW on MSNBC.  Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCHULTZ:  Welcome back to THE ED SHOW.  Thanks for watching tonight. 

The reconciliation bill sailed through the Senate today.  Uncle Harry

got 56 Democrats who voted for it to pass the house fix-it bill on health

care reform, as well as a higher education bill that will get for-profit

banks out of the business of administering federal student loans, which is

a very good thing. 

The Senate made a few minor changes to the education section of the

bill, so the entire bill is going to be going back to the House for a final

vote, probably tonight.  That is expected tonight to pass with no problem. 

For more on that, let‘s bring in Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon. 

Senator, good to have you with us tonight. 

So I guess we can say the leap of faith that the House took on the

Senate and Harry Reid‘s letter of 52 turned out to be 56.  It‘s all good. 

But the big issue at this point now, Senator Wyden, is the challenge

that‘s coming from a number of attorneys general from individual states

across the country. 

Do these lawsuits have merit, in your opinion, or will federal law be

able to supersede any of that? 

SEN. RON WYDEN (D), OREGON:  I think these lawsuits are going nowhere. 

But they really aren‘t even needed, Ed.  We were able to get a provision in

the bill that gives the states the power to go off and innovate, come up

with their own approaches, as long as they meet the minimum requirements in

the bill. 

And one of the issues I want to stress tonight is this is a huge

opportunity for public option supporters at the state level.  What public

option supporters can do at the state level is push to have their state go

with this kind of approach, show that the public option is effective at

holding insurance companies accountable, producing more choice and

competition.  And with that kind of hard evidence that could be accumulated

at the state level, it will be very hard to hold off the adoption of a

public option at the national level. 

SCHULTZ:  OK.  I believe that‘s Section 1332 of the Senate

reconciliation bill that says that the mandate can be turned into an option

of what the states want to do. 

Is that correct? 

WYDEN:  That is correct. 

SCHULTZ:  OK.

WYDEN:  And that‘s why I say to these attorneys general, why don‘t you

work with us to innovate rather than litigate?  They‘re always talking

about states‘ rights.  We‘re empowering the states.  The counsel for the

Senate Finance Committee gave them the freedom. 

SCHULTZ:  OK.  So, Senator, you‘re saying that, technically, there is

no mandate, the states are going to have to choose to do that? 

WYDEN:  What the legal counsel said, in response to my question

specifically, Ed, is under this particular state option, if a state can

show that they are meeting the minimum requirements in the bill, they do

not have to have an individual mandate.  And I‘m telling viewers,

particularly progressives around the country, you can go to your state

legislature, you can go to your governor and say that under that provision,

you want your state to put a public option in place to hold insurance

companies accountable. 

SCHULTZ:  A lot of talk about it not being a bipartisan bill, but it

was real close to 60.  There were three Democrats that voted against the

bill, 56 in total did vote for. 

Interestingly enough, Blanche Lincoln, who will get a primary

challenge in Arkansas, both she and Senator Mark Pryor voted with the

Republicans and against the bill.  And, of course, Senator Ben Nelson from

Nebraska also voted with the Republicans as well.  And so he was also a

“no” vote. 

So, as it stands right now, this is a major victory for the Democrats. 

Where‘s the risk here politically, if there is any at all? 

WYDEN:  I‘m sure that the insurance companies are going to start

trying, beginning with the open enrollment season that will take place this

fall—they‘re going to continue, for example, to try to cherry-pick.  We

are, in this legislation, of course, doing something that you and I feel

very strongly about, and that is outline the vicious discrimination against

those with pre-existing conditions. 

But I know that insurance companies—and I know this from my days

with the Gray Panthers—they‘re still going to go out and try to do a lot

of clever marketing to primarily the healthy people.  So we are going to

have to be very vigilant in terms of protecting consumer rights.  That will

start very quickly.

And as I say, that‘s one of the reasons that I hope public option

advocates will look at that waiver provision and do it at the state level,

because it‘s a way to hold the insurance companies accountable. 

SCHULTZ:  And quickly, Senator, your thoughts on the Republicans

saying they‘re going to run to repeal it in the midterms? 

WYDEN:  I don‘t see how a Republican can stand up at a town hall

meeting, I don‘t see how anybody can stand up at a town hall meeting and

say, hello, I‘m really here to tell you I‘m going to repeal a law that

protects our people from against discrimination against pre-existing

conditions.  I don‘t see how that passes the smell test. 

SCHULTZ:  Good to have you with us, Senator Wyden.

WYDEN:  Thank you, Ed.

SCHULTZ:  Appreciate your time tonight. 

WYDEN:  Thank you.

SCHULTZ:  Thanks for all your work, too.

Coming up, those crazy kids over at “Fox & Friends” are comparing

death threats to kiddie birthday parties.  Gretchen Carlson plays the clown

next in “Psycho Talk.”  

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCHULTZ:  And in “Psycho Talk” tonight, we‘ve got a new club member. 

The right-wing network‘s resident beauty queen, Gretchen Carlson, on board

tonight.

This morning, Gretchen and the rest of “Fox & Friends,” well, they

spent ample time dismissing the severity of the violent threats directed at

Democrats.  After they stopped making excuses for threats, they did say

that the offenders should lay off the homophobia and racism, but only

because they‘re interfering with other opponents of health care reform.

Then Gretchen piped up and drove home the “Psycho Talk.”  

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  You hurt your own cause when you have racial

epithets or have homophobic phrases screaming at lawmakers who you don‘t

agree with.  When it gets personal, it overwhelms the entire message. 

GRETCHEN CARLSON, FOX NEWS:  It ruins it for everybody, just like the

kid who acts up at the birthday party. 

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ:  Oh, yes, when children act up at those birthday parties,

they may end up smashing a cake in another kid‘s face, or running wild

around the house.  And maybe they‘ll kick and scream a little bit. 

Excuse me.  What we‘re seeing out there are grownups cutting fuel

lines, throwing bricks through windows, and threatening people‘s families. 

And the righties either want to ignore it or blame the victims at this

point. 

Gretchen, you are trivializing these deadly threats by comparing them

to children acting out at a birthday party.  That is dangerous “Psycho

Talk.” 

Welcome to the club. 

Coming up, my next guest says that the threatening climate on Capitol

Hill reminds him of tours through Iraq and Afghanistan.  Democratic

Congressman John Boccieri will talk about his threats from the fringe in

just a moment.

Plus, Arizona, well, you better batten down the hatches.  The

warmonger and caribou Barbie and Joe the Plumber are heading west. 

And some ice road truckers that‘s stranded in my backyard, and broke

into my house.  But that‘s OK, I‘m not mad at him.  I‘ll tell you all about

it in the “Playbook.”  Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REP. ERIC CANTOR, MINORITY WHIP:  It is reckless to use these

incidents as media vehicles for political gain.  That is why I have deep

concerns that some, DCCC Chairman Chris Van Hollen and DNC Chairman Tim

Kaine, in particular, are dangerously fanning the flames by suggesting that

these incidents be used as a political weapon. 

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ:  That is unbelievable.  Welcome back to the Ed Show tonight. 

Thanks for watching.  Republican Whip Eric Cantor right there today

actually blaming democratic leaders for the threats being made against

members of their own party.  Yes, right.  My next guest took a courageous

vote on the health care bill.  He says that the climate now, the fear of

physical harm is as bad as when he was fighting in Iraq.  Ohio Congressman

John Boccieri joins me from the Capitol tonight.  Congressman, good to have

you with us.   

JOHN BOCCIERI (D), OHIO:  Thanks for having me. 

SCHULTZ:  Do you really mean that?  Was it just as dangerous on

Capitol Hill as it was in Iraq?

BOCCIERI:  Well, I never said it was as dangerous as in Iraq.  What I

said was that I knew that each mission that we undertook, we were putting

ourselves in harm‘s way.  I didn‘t realize when we came to Capitol Hill

that some of these votes we may take, put ourselves in harm‘s way as well. 

You know, my office staff, my family and myself have all received threats. 

We‘re investigating them fully, returned them over to proper law

enforcement officials and will going to prosecute them to the fullest

extent under the law. 

SCHULTZ:  Do you feel safe, Congressman?  Does your family feel safe?

BOCCIERI:  Well, there are times we feel safe and there are times that

we don‘t.  But, I‘ll say this.  While we‘re concerned about our security

here on Capitol Hill, there are millions of Americans who are worried about

their own economic security back home.  I understand that emotions are

running raw and there‘s a lot of passions on both sides of this national

debate.  But we‘ve got to call on both of our leaders, and all our leaders

who step up and approach the national microphone to temper their words and

to understand that their words have consequences and they do matter. 

SCHULTZ:  This is Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi dealing with this

situation.  Let‘s get your reaction.  Here it is. 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REP. NANCY PELOSI, SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE:  All who participate in their free

expression should not be painted with the same brush of those who have

resorted to such unacceptable language and acts of vandalism.  However, we

must remove all doubt in anyone‘s mind that those expressions and those

acts of vandalism and those threats of more have no place in the civil

debate. 

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ:  Pelosi has also been somewhat of a target by some of the

whackos that are out there.  One of them is from Alabama, Mike Vanderboegh,

he is a former militia from Alabama, he writes at Nancy Pelosi‘s

Intolerable Act as what he calls it. 

“To all modern sons of liberty, this is your time.  Break their

windows, break them and run to break again.  Break them under cover of

night.  Break them in broad daylight.  Break them and await arrest in

willful principles civil disobedience.  Break them with rocks.  Break them

with sling shots.  Break them with baseball bats but break them.” 

And this guy did an interview with the “Washington Post” and he wasn‘t

at all remorseful for any of that.  Now congressman, you said that you got

law enforcement involve.  What should law enforcement do about people that

post stuff like that?  And also, the fact that the guy in Virginia told him

to go over and visit one of your fellow congressman, you got the address

mixed up, ended up over at his brother‘s house and then later on the fuel

line was cut, the propane line was cut.  I mean, what should, if anything,

government do about this reckless rhetoric that is going on?

BOCCIERI:  Well, we need to amp down the rhetoric here at the Capitol

and prosecute fully those folks who are breaking the law.  Pundits and

politicians alike need to temper our responses, we approach the national

microphone.  We‘re responsible for our words, we should not be inciting

anger and fear and we‘ve got to be responsible for our actions.  But at the

end of the day, the decisions we make here, we shouldn‘t halt the progress

of our country because we cower to the politics of fear.  I mean, this

country has been founded on robust debate and we should have that here in

the Capitol. 

SCHULTZ:  Congressman Boccieri, great to have you with us tonight. 

BOCCIERI:  Thank you, sir.

SCHULTZ:  You changed your vote from no to yes, a courageous move and

you‘ve been the target of some real bad stuff.  I appreciate your time

tonight.

BOCCIERI:  Thank you.

SCHULTZ:  Let‘s turn to the panel for some rapid fire response.  I

want to know what they make of the republican refusals to take

responsibility for the scary rhetoric and threats that democrats are

facing. 

And we‘re headed for a psycho talker showdown tomorrow in Arizona. 

Sarah Palin is scheduled to campaign with John McCain while Joe the Plumber

will attend a rally with McCain‘s Republican Challenger JD Hayworth.  Only

in the wild wild west.  I guess, who could stay with us tonight is Radio

Talk Show Host Bill Press and also, Nationally Syndicated Radio Talk Show

Host Michael Medved.  Tonight, let‘s talk about republican responsibility,

Bill Press.  Why did it take Eric Cantor and john Boehner four days to come

out and say, you know what, maybe we better not be doing this kind of

stuff. 

BILL PRESS, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST:  I don‘t know but you know, what

really disturbs me is not only did it take them four days before they would

condemn the violence.  But they really egged it on.  I mean, they did what

Cantor is accusing democrats of.  You pointed out earlier.  You know, it

was John Boehner himself who called this Armageddon.  It was John Boehner

who said another congressman is going to be a dead man.  It was Michael

Steele who said Nancy Pelosi‘s going to have to face the firing line.  As

you pointed out Sarah Palin putting the riffle targets on 12 members of

Congress.  I mean, this was highly irresponsible and it‘s a kind of violent

language that can incite violent acts.  And they are no better.  I think it

shows it how desperate they are.  They know they dealt themselves a losing

hand, they have nothing to offer now to the American people.  The American

people are going to discover, hey, we got something good in this health

care bill. 

SCHULTZ:  Michael Medved, your thoughts on this. 

MICHAEL MEDVED, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST:  Well, first of all, the

republicans have plenty to offer, tried to offer during senate debate with

amendments to the health care bill and that fight will going to continue. 

Not to repeal the bill but to amend it and to improve it and the skill.

SCHULTZ:  The rhetoric Michael, the rhetoric, well, we know they will

put in amendments. 

(CROSSTALK)

SCHULTZ:  What about the rhetoric?  

MEDVED:  The rhetoric particularly from that blogger you cited is

totally unacceptable and it‘s probably illegal.  You can‘t incite violence. 

Look, I don‘t think we should be talking about political warfare as if it

were in fact, combat.  There‘s a real difference.  I mean, at the end of

the day, the real job of politicians should not be to destroy everybody,

but to persuade everybody and you don‘t persuade people by using rhetoric

about killing or look, I would make a distinction, when people had signs up

that said kill the bill, I don‘t think that‘s over the line.  If you put

riffle targets on members of Congress, that is clearly over the line and

unacceptable and deserves... 

PRESS:  And I hope you send that message to Sarah Palin, Michael. 

Maybe you can go to Arizona this weekend and tell her yourself. 

MEDVED:  Thank you.

SCHULTZ:  Michael.

MEDVED:  Seriously. 

SCHULTZ:  Go ahead. 

(CROSSTALK)

MEDVED:  Seriously, this is what I say on my radio show all the time,

by the way. 

SCHULTZ:  You made an interesting point about the war metaphors and

such stuff.  Is that just how politicians talk?  You know, we‘re going to

fight for you in Washington.  I mean, I think people understand that.  When

you‘ve got, you lie being thrown out at a joint session of the Congress

when the president is speaking, when you have right wing talkers, and we

know who they are, just pour this hate at President Obama, he‘s a

socialist, he‘s a Marxist, he‘s a birther, you know, and question his

integrity after the vetting process, after he‘s been elected, I mean, you

know, why don‘t the republicans distance themselves from these right wing

quote, “entertainers” that are stirring up this crowd outside the Capitol?

MEDVED:  I think more and more republicans are doing some of that,

from some of the more extreme statements.  I mean, look, in terms of the

birthers that you mentioned, even Glenn Beck has totally attacked the

birthers as irresponsible.  There is not a scrap of evidence that Barack

Obama was born anywhere except Honolulu, Hawaii... 

SCHULTZ:  Are you defending Glenn Beck. 

(CROSSTALK)

SCHULTZ:  Are you defending Glenn Beck?

MEDVED:  No.  I‘m saying that everybody—the birthers do not

represent the Tea Party movement, they don‘t represent the Republican

Party.  They‘re crazy.  That‘s all they are. 

PRESS:  And let me make a quick point here.  You know, now, Eric

Cantor had a great chance today to condemn this violence and say this is

not who we are.  Instead, what did he do?  He accused democrats of

exploiting these attacks for political purposes.  My question is.  

MEDVED:  He said something else, Bill.  He said something else. 

PRESS:  Wait, wait, wait.  Let me finish. 

(CROSSTALK)

MEDVED:  He himself has been the target of threat. 

(CROSSTALK)

PRESS:  I want to finish my point and then you talk.  Come on, come

on, come on!  He said, the FBI has investigated this.  They are on these

cases.  The Capitol Police have investigated, they‘re providing extra

security.  So is Cantor accusing the FBI and the Capitol Police of

exploiting these threats for political gains? Seems to me that‘s what he‘s

saying, that‘s outrageous. 

SCHULTZ:  All right.  Let‘s get to Sarah Palin.  Sarah Palin, as far

as John McCain is concerned, I guess she‘s going from an air head to a

political draw.  Why is he bringing Sarah Palin down there when her

credibility has been diminished so terribly with some of her latest antics

and some of her off the wall comments.  Is this a good political move,

Michael?

MEDVED:  Of course, it is.  John McCain is a strong conservative, he

is the right candidate in Arizona.  J.D. Hayworth is a horse‘s rear end,

especially with his comments about marrying your horse recently.  And look,

I am pleased that Mitt Romney and Scott Brown and Sarah Palin and every

same mainstream republican in the country are supporting John McCain.  And

of course, he‘s right to bring her down.  She has a following and some of

that following might be tempted to vote for radical and a corrupt record

like Hayworth. 

SCHULTZ:  She might bring the bull‘s eye crowd with her.  OK.  All

right.  Bill, what about JD Hayworth bringing in Joe the Plumber?  I mean,

this is a freak show. 

PRESS:  No, no, no, I was just going to say, I think “Saturday Night

Live” has taken over Arizona politics, you know, and that‘s all I can say. 

(CROSSTALK)

SCHULTZ:  All right.  Gentleman, great to have you in “Rapid Fire”

tonight.  Thanks so much.

PRESS:  Thank you.

SCHULTZ:  Coming up.  Late night Jimmy Fallon shows us why Joe Biden

dropped the “f” bomb during the health care signing ceremony.  That‘s next

in the Playback.  Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCHULTZ:  And it‘s not too late to let us know what you think of the

question tonight.  The number to dial is 1-877-ed-msnbc.  Tonight, in our

telephone survey question is, “Do you blame the republicans for the

increase of violent threats to lawmakers?”  Press one for yes.  Press two

for no.  Again, the number to dial, 1-877-ed-msnbc. 

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCHULTZ:  And in my “Playbook” tonight, New Jersey‘s Republican

Governor, Chris Christie is making school kids and teachers pay for the

states budget deficit.  He is slashing funding for public education up to

$820 million.  Meanwhile, he‘s cutting taxes for people making who are over

$400,000 a year.  Folks, this is what happens when you put a righty in

office, things don‘t change on their side.  But educators are fighting back

with a new ad featuring New Jersey‘s Teacher of the Year. 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MARYANN WOODS-MURPHY, NEW JERSEY‘S TEACHER OF THE YEAR:  Our children

are New Jersey‘s future.  So, when I learned that Governor Christie was

talking about cutting funding for our public schools by almost a billion

dollars, I got worried.  At the same time, the governor plans to give a tax

cut of a billion dollars to people who earn over $400,000 a year.  The

governor‘s education cuts will mean larger class sizes and fewer in

programs in Math and reading, please ask Governor Christie to support New

Jersey‘s public schools, not millionaires. 

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ:  And New Jersey‘s Teacher of the Year, Maryann Woods-Murphy

joins me tonight, she will be receiving her teacher of the year award

tomorrow.  She teaches foreign languages, especially Spanish.  Great to

have you with us.

WOODS-MURPHY:  It‘s a pleasure.

SCHULTZ:  You bet.  Maryann, how deep are these cuts, what does $820

million mean to kids and teachers and classrooms in schools?

WOODS-MURPHY:  We‘re looking at 6,000 teachers and even more

educational support professionals.  This is a devastating cut to our field

and for children in New Jersey.  

SCHULTZ:  Where will the cuts going to be made?  In Rural New Jersey

or the bigger cities?

WOODS-MURPHY:  All across the whole state.  We‘re hearing stories from

every district.  Teachers are so concerned, people are openly crying in

their classrooms.  This is the week where pink slips had been handed out,

wonderful teachers are being lost.  I got an e-mail from student today who

wants to get the students standing up against these cuts, a terrible,

terrible situation. 

SCHULTZ:  Everybody understands cuts in business when times are tough. 

But isn‘t it just kind of fuel on the fire that those who are in the top

one percent are getting a tax  cut, how do you think that sits with New

Jersey residents?

WOODS-MURPHY:  I feel that the New Jersey residents will understand

that our governor‘s priorities are incorrect.  We need to be giving to

education to prepare our students for the 21st century.  And for citizens

whose salaries are over $400,000, they can afford to give this money to

education.  It‘s $800 million for $800 million of cuts.  We have the money,

it‘s just as a matter of priorities. 

SCHULTZ:  Now, does this mean that classroom sizes are going to grow

and facilities are going to be closed?

WOODS-MURPHY:  Absolutely.  Classroom sizes are already stretched to

the packs.  There are some schools that have no room.  I heard of a school

that has to get rid of desks to fit more children, 30, 40 children in a

classroom.  This is not what New Jersey education is about. 

SCHULTZ:  Well, it is amazing.  Elections do have consequences.  And

I‘m not quite sure that he campaigned on this. 

WOODS-MURPHY:  No.  In fact, we were promised that we wouldn‘t have

these sorts of cuts to education and that our governor, Governor Chris

Christie would be an education governor, but unfortunately that‘s not

happening.  

SCHULTZ:  Maryann Woods-Murphy, congratulations, keep up the fight. 

WOODS-MURPHY:  Thank you. 

SCHULTZ:  Thank you for doing that commercial.  I saw it last night on

a local television station here in New York, and I said, I want to talk to

that teacher.  And I appreciate you being here.

WOODS-MURPHY:  I really appreciate you having me.  Thank you so much. 

SCHULTZ:  This is what‘s happening across the country.  The

republicans think that public education is just no big deal, we‘ll just

cut.  That is not Bush lite, that is Bush heavy is what it is.  Thanks for

your time. 

WOODS-MURPHY:  Thank you so much. 

SCHULTZ:  You bet.  Another page of the “Playbook” tonight.  You know,

the craziest thing happened recently at a fishing lodge that my wife and I

recently purchased up in Canada and Manitoba.  It used to be thunderbird

lodge, now it‘s big Eddie‘s North Country lodge.  What we do with our time

is amazing, is it?  It‘s a remote lodge about 200 miles North of Winnipeg. 

And you have to fly there to get there.  And in the wintertime, you can,

you know, apparently reach all of these camps up there via ice roads. 

Well, I found out that last week when I was told about a dozen ice road

truckers ended up breaking in because the roads melted so  much, and so

they had to get shelter, they were stranded.  Nine days later, they were

able to get a ski plane in there and get them out.  I‘m glad they were

close enough to the lodge to take refuge.  I‘d have done the same thing

because it‘s chilly up there this time of the year. 

One final page of the “Playbook” tonight.  Vice President Joe Biden

got a lot of attention this week for saying the “f” word on live TV while

congratulating President Obama on the health care bill signing. 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOE BIDEN, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:  “This is a big—ing

deal!”

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ:  I agree with you, Joe.  Well, folks, over at the late night

with Jimmy Fallon, he used Biden‘s slip off as inspiration for an updated

version of an old schoolhouse rock favorite. 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(LATE NIGHT WITH JIMMY FALLON, NBC)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I‘m just a bill, yes a (bleep) bill up on Capitol

Hill, well it‘s a long, long journey to the Capitol City but I pushed my

way through those (bleep) committee and I became a law and today and I just

have to say, that I will always be a big (bleep) bill. 

Bill, you‘re a (bleep) bill. 

Oh, yes!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ:  Coming up, corporate money is already flying into the 2010

elections at record levels.  That Supreme Court decision to open up the

floodgates on campaign cash is bad for America.  And it‘s already

happening, the man who won that case, David Bossie, President of Citizens

United will go head to head with me in just a moment.  Stay with us. 

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCHULTZ:  And finally tonight, the first newly legalized corporate

campaign commercial has appeared in a Texas newspaper.  This January, a

landmark Supreme Court ruling lifted restrictions on corporate political

spending.  And now a real estate company, KDR Development, has taken

advantage of the situation.  The company funded a commercial against a

formerly democratic state representative who ran in the republican primary

earlier this month.  The commercial wasn‘t enough to defeat him but it

represents, I think, the tip of the iceberg of corporate political spending

that we are bound to see as this year goes on, on the heels of health care

reform. 

Joining me now, David Bossie, Founder and President of Citizens

United.  The company on the winning side of the Supreme Court decision.  I

have been told Mr. Bossie—first of all, thanks for joining us. 

DAVID BOSSIE, FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT, CITIZENS UNITED:  Thank you for

having me. 

SCHULTZ:  I have been told by some activists that we‘re going to see

more money tossed around in this mid-term than ever before, you think so?

BOSSIE:  Oh, I don‘t.  Look, this is nothing new.  What‘s going on in

Texas was before our ruling, Ed.  Twenty eight states were able to do this. 

This is absolutely nothing new.  Illinois was able to do this, Delaware was

able to do this, Maryland was able to do this.  Lots of states have been

able to do this for many years. 

SCHULTZ:  But unlimited money, doesn‘t that mean that if somebody

wants to make a statement and take down somebody in the primary, they can

both load the campaign. 

BOSSIE:  Look, corporations have been giving for a long time to

candidates.  And it doesn‘t mean they‘re corrupted. 

(CROSSTALK)

SCHULTZ:  It‘s not a matter of being corruption, it‘s a matter of

buying an election. 

BOSSIE:  But look, Barack Obama, when he ran for the State Senate in

Illinois, that state allowed corporate giving.  Barack Obama got two-thirds

of his money from corporations, packs and unions, two-thirds of his money. 

Is he a corrupt politician that he went to the State Capitol?  

(CROSSTALK)

SCHULTZ:  Well, that was on a state level but now. 

BOSSIE:  No, no, no, but it‘s the same thing. 

SCHULTZ:  This opens up a whole Pandora‘s box when you‘ve got possibly

foreign money coming into American elections.  Do you see that as positive?

BOSSIE:  There is no foreign money, Ed.  Section 441E of McCain,

Feingold was in effect before our ruling and is in effect today.  If they

have a flawed section over foreign corporations, that‘s their problem. 

They did that.  Corporations did that. 

SCHULTZ:  And who‘s the watchdog on that when you got unlimited money

coming in?

BOSSIE:  Well, first of all, there‘s no corp, it‘s illegal for

foreigners and for foreign corporations to give.  It was illegal before my

case, it‘s illegal today. 

SCHULTZ:  OK.  Well, you‘re a big winner so far, aren‘t you?

BOSSIE:  Wow.  Look, we have—we make movies and our case was about

a movie.  Our newest film, “Generation Zero” is about our economic

meltdown.  And it has candidates in it or potential candidates in it.  And

we don‘t want to be held to a standard that the left isn‘t out of Hollywood

because they get the media exemption just like General Electric gets the

media exemption here, Sony Lion‘s Gate gets the media exemption.  We wanted

the media exemption and that‘s and how the case even started.  

SCHULTZ:  Battle lines are drawn.  Unlimited money is just that.  Mr.

Boisse, it‘s good to have you on.

BOSSIE:  Thank you.

SCHULTZ:  Tonight, in our telephone survey, I ask you, “Do you blame

republicans for the increase in violent threats to lawmakers?”  Ninety five

percent have said yes, five percent said no.  That‘s the Ed Schultz.  Were

back tomorrow night. 

“HARDBALL”, Chris Matthews starts right now. 

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