The Ed Show for Monday, Oct. 4th, 2010
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Guests: Al Sharpton, Mike Papantonio, Bill Richardson, Katrina Vanden
Heuvel, Joe Madison, Ron Christie, Justin Coussoule, Heidi Harris
ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC ANCHOR: Good evening, Americans, and welcome to THE ED SHOW tonight from New York.
These stories are hitting “My Hot Buttons” at this hour.
Well, hell, conservatives, they‘re attacking the speech I gave at the nation rally over the weekend. I‘ll show you my speech in its entirety and let you be the judge.
Plus, Reverend Al Sharpton reacts to this weekend‘s extraordinary event and tells us what we need do between now and November 2nd.
This one really has my interest because these are the kind of people that went over to the Beck‘s rally. Senator “Waterloo” DeMint out of South Carolina, his lesson on hate and discrimination is now officially in session. You see, he‘s doubling down on his claim that gays, lesbians, unmarried pregnant women should be banned from teaching in public schools in America.
We‘ve got a lesson forum tonight on THE ED SHOW.
And a bombshell in the desert. A Tea Partier is threatening to sink Sharron Angle‘s campaign. Now she‘s been caught on tape trying to get him off the ballot and slamming Republican leaders in Washington. OK.
But this is the story that has me fired up tonight. And, really, it‘s something that I‘m going to remember for the rest of my life.
Ask yourself the question, what do you think it would be like to stand on the Lincoln Memorial and give a speech off the top of your head? I don‘t know if you can prepare for that. I did my best.
I had the honor of kicking off the “One Nation” rally on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial on Saturday. The passion in the crowd was unbelievable amongst the great Americans who traveled all across this country to fight for a better life for all of us and to try to right what has been wrong over the past few years as the “party of no” has tried to stop the progressive agenda.
The forces of evil and the conservative movement are on a mission to take down the rally and marginalize the diverse crowd that attended. Conservatives want you to believe that, well, first of all, nobody showed up. And they‘re absolutely dead wrong about that.
This Sunday, “The Washington Post” reported that, “More than 400 groups endorsed the “One Nation Working Together” rally, which organizers said drew a crowd of 175,000 people—about what they expected.”
Now, conservatives want you to believe that Glenn Beck‘s phony religious revival was way bigger than the “One Nation” rally. Well, let me take you back to the day of the Beck rally.
On august 28, 2010, at 6:32 p.m., CBS.com proved Beck‘s crowd was, as I said, no big shakes. “An estimated 87,000 people attended the rally, organized by radio talk show host and Fox News commentator Glenn Beck Saturday in Washington, according to a crowd estimate commissioned by CBS News. The company airphotoslive.com based the attendance on aerial photos it took over the rally.”
Now, to be fair, NBC News put the size of Beck‘s crowd at 300,000 people. So, somewhere in between all of this, 87,000, give or take nine grand by that company, and 300,000 is reported by NBC, pretty much, would you say that the size of the crowd is pretty much the same? I would.
I was there. The people I saw, it was packed.
So, conservatives, I want you to pay very close attention. This is what a crowd of middle class Americans who believe in universal health care, jobs, unemployment benefits, not kicking your neighbor to the side of the road, and, of course, equal rights, social justice, and education for America, this is the official picture from the AP from our rally on Saturday. Packed house all the way back to the monument.
And I refuse to allow the forces of evil distract from what the “One Nation” rally was all about. They want you to believe that I gave some controversial speech, that I had—you know, was hiding something.
Well, here‘s my speech in its entirety for the record.
SCHULTZ: Hello Americans! One nation! One nation! We are together!
This march is about the power to the people! It is about the people standing up to the corporations!
Are you ready to fight back?
Are you ready to stand up for your brother and sister? This is a defining moment in America.
Are you Americans?
SCHULTZ: Are you Americans?
SCHULTZ: Do you love America?
SCHULTZ: It is time. It is a defining moment for this country for us to look into our heart and our soul to really find out who we are as a people, as a country, as a family.
The conservative voices of America, they are holding you down. They don‘t believe in your freedom. They want the concentration of wealth. They‘ve shipped your job overseas.
To our brothers and sisters who have fallen on hard times in this economic world, we stand with you today as one nation.
To our brothers and sisters who have seen their jobs go overseas, we will not let it happen. We will fight back as one nation.
To our brothers and sisters who have been discriminated against, this is no time to back down. This is a time to fight for America.
You love this country. We died for this country. We will sacrifice for this country. But that sacrifice cannot profit those at the top all the time.
This is about the people. This is about one nation. This is about our future. This is about our kids, our grandkids, the future of our country.
We cannot back down. We will not back down. We must move forward.
Are you one nation?
SCHULTZ: Are you one nation?
SCHULTZ: Are you one nation?
SCHULTZ: For the last two years President Obama, he‘s had to put up with the word “no.” Forty people -- 40 people in the United States Senate have held down the working man of America. Forty Republicans have decided to say no while you suffer, while your jobs go overseas, while they strangle the money.
They don‘t want to give it to the small businesses. They want to keep it at the top. They want to see President Obama fail.
We cannot let that happen.
SCHULTZ: We cannot let it happen.
SCHULTZ: The Lord is blessing this march with a great turnout and a beautiful day. I leave you with a message.
We cannot give up on November 2nd. We have not gotten everything we have wanted in the first two years, but we have to stand behind our leaders on the progressive agenda that is for the people and not always the corporations. It is for the family of America.
The other side, they think it‘s about profit. They don‘t think it‘s about people. They don‘t want us to have health care. They want it for profit.
We will get universal health care some day in this country!
We will create jobs! We will get the money to the small businesses!
We will not let them ruin public education! If we let them do this to public education, we will be a different country.
Just remember, the great thing about public education is when the doors open, everyone is welcomed—the gifted, the challenged, the rich, the poor, those who need special help, those who get moved forward in advanced classes.
This isn‘t about just a few people with the money. This is about all the people in public education for the opportunity of America.
We cannot let them tear it down! We must fight! We must push back!
Our brothers and sisters, our union brothers and sisters across America, they have vilified you. They don‘t want you to organize in the workplace. They suppress your vote. They delay the organization of collective bargaining.
We will not stand by silent. We, as one nation—we, as one nation, must stand together, must fight the forces of evil. The conservatives in this country across the board want it for them. They don‘t want it for the people.
They talk about the Constitution but they don‘t want to live by it. They talk about our forefathers but they want discrimination. They want to change this country.
And we, as one nation, stand up this day and say we will be there on November 2nd. We will not give up! We will continue to fight!
Are you Americans?
SCHULTZ: Are you Americans?
SCHULTZ: Do you love this country?
SCHULTZ: Then we must vote on November 2nd.
God bless America. God bless our troops for keeping us safe. Let‘s move forward for the country.
SCHULTZ: Last Saturday in Washington, D.C. And I want to thank all of the people around the country who have e-mailed our show saying that they wanted to be there but they couldn‘t be there. In some cities across America, they did rally, and it was quite a turnout. Hopefully this will motivate Democrats to move forward.
It was a thrill.
Get your cell phones out. I want to know what you think, folks.
Tonight‘s text survey question is: Do you believe our country‘s best days are ahead of us? Text “A” for yes, text “B” for no to 622639. We‘ll bring you the results later on in the show.
Joining me now is Reverend Al Sharpton, president of the National Action Network and a featured speaker at the “One Nation” rally.
We should play yours tomorrow night in the first block, Reverend. You were getting after it too.
Reverend, speak to the demeanor of the crowd. It was so positive and so passionate.
What were your thoughts?
AL SHARPTON, PRESIDENT, NATIONAL ACTION NETWORK: I thought it was extremely positive and passionate, but what I think is even more noteworthy -- and you alluded to it—is the diversity of the crowd. You saw so many people of different races, of different genders, different—even political persuasions—that were so relaxed and comfortable to be standing together for the country.
And, you know, it‘s outrageous when you‘re standing there saying, “God bless America” and people are cheering, and every speaker is saying “One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all,” how anyone could make that anything other than a nation rally of patriots that want to see the country continue to go in the right way. It was an exceptional day.
SCHULTZ: The diversity was quite apparent, as opposed to the rally back on August 28th.
What does that mean, Reverend?
SHARPTON: I think it means that if we‘re going to really unite this country and heal this country, and all of us have our feelings, that we really are going to first have to start working on agendas that show we can come together. And I think that‘s what Saturday showed, we can come together.
We don‘t have to agree on everything, but the principles of trying to make sure that jobs and quality education and quality health care is available for all Americans is something that we can all unite on. Those things we disagree, we can go and fight out in the particulars, but the broad strokes of what America means was affirmed on Saturday, and we‘ve been working since then.
I‘ve spent a lot of time today talking with Randi Weingarten from the teachers and talking with Lee Saunders, one of the great labor leaders, about how we keep this kind of coming together and getting in the trenches and bring those voters out of all communities, understanding that we must come together and keep this country moving in the right direction.
SCHULTZ: Reverend Sharpton, appreciate your help on Saturday. You were a big part of it. The country appreciates it. And the progressive movement definitely appreciates it.
And we‘ve got to win on November 2nd to keep this moving forward.
SHARPTON: Well, we thank you and we welcome a new preacher (INAUDIBLE) to the ranks, the Reverend Ed Schultz.
SCHULTZ: I‘ve got a good teacher. Thank you, Reverend.
SHARPTON: All right.
SCHULTZ: Coming up, Senator “Waterloo” makes a lot of people sick when you hear this. He just said that gays and sexually active single women should not be teachers in public schools. What a creep.
Radio talk show host Mike Papantonio schools Senator DeMint next.
I did a background check on Christine O‘Donnell and I can tell you the facts, this fact that she‘s a certified “Psycho Talker.” But you won‘t believe who she thinks secretly is plotting to take over the country.
All that, plus “The Drugster” has a new dysfunctional family, and Romney and Palin have a new challenger.
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SCHULTZ: Welcome back to THE ED SHOW and thanks for watching tonight.
Now, these are the kind of people that went to the big rally on August 28th. There is a difference.
Senator “Waterloo,” Jim DeMint of South Carolina is, you know, really playing to the Tea Partying crowd hard by returning to an outrageous position that he took when he first ran for Senate back in 2004. I find this absolutely appalling.
At a church rally on Sunday in South Carolina, he said he doesn‘t think homosexuals should be allowed to teach in public schools, and neither should sexually active pregnant single women. Six years ago he threw single pregnant women in there as well. Yesterday, he also complained about no one backing him on those comments, saying, “When I said those things, no one came to my defense, but everyone would come to me and whisper that I shouldn‘t back down. They don‘t want government purging their rights and their freedom to religion.”
Senator, you know, to me, it seems by banning single mothers and homosexuals from teaching school, you—you are the one purging people‘s rights and freedoms.
This is what the Tea Party crowd is all about. This is their leader. This is a guy who has embraced their candidates. This is what that rally was all about back in late August.
Let me bring in Mike Papantonio, host of the nationally syndicated “Ring of Fire” radio show.
Mike, what do you make of all of this? I find it absolutely outrageous that in 2010, this is what the United States Senate produces.
MIKE PAPANTONIO, HOST, “RING OF FIRE”: Ed, no surprises. Jim DeMint has always been the go-to guy for crazy talk for the Republicans.
When Republican leadership is too embarrassed to say it themselves, they have Jim DeMint out there saying it. For example, when they get in their colicky baby mode and they talk about how government‘s too big, Jim DeMint was the guy talking about how all of IRS should be abolished and that corporations shouldn‘t have to pay as much tax as the average working family. If you remember, DeMint was the guy who argue that there should be no minimum wage law in America.
Republican leadership, Ed, is too embarrassed to say the things that Jim DeMint will say. He‘s the guy that made the argument with a straight face, that when we ship job overseas, that it‘s better for our economy. Republican leadership couldn‘t say that, but they could have Jim DeMint go out forward and say it himself.
PAPANTONIO: The interesting thing about DeMint is that he‘s part of this moral card crowd. An interesting story, I know you remember it, the C Street crowd called “The Family.”
The Family was this group, Jim Inhofe, Sam Brownback, John Thune, John Ensign, all of these moral card guys that said that God was telling them how they should engage in politics. God was—that they were a tool of god.
I‘m not making this up. If you go back and look at those stories about C Street and you talk about the family, he was one of these guys, Ed.
PAPANTONIO: Unfortunately for the family, they had Mark Sanford, who was traveling all over country with his Argentina honey, that didn‘t work out. Or John Ensign didn‘t work out on the moral card before he had to confess that he was having an affair in Las Vegas. But this guy‘s shameless.
SCHULTZ: Well, Mike—
SCHULTZ: -- should we as Americans bear to think what it would be like if the Republicans and leaders like this from the state of South Carolina were to ever get a filibuster-proof Senate? What kind of country would we have then?
I mean, this is their position. He wants to discriminate, and that‘s exactly what I talked about at the rally. You saw the tape just a few moments ago.
They want to discriminate. They openly admit they want to discriminate against Americans who pay tax, who live in this country, who live by the laws. That doesn‘t matter.
It‘s a moral code that the righties in this country want to write for this country and discriminate against people. I find it absolutely appalling.
And for Jim DeMint to come out and say, well, you know, “They were whispering it to me,” Jim, give me some names, will you? Who‘s whispering? Who wants to stand up and say that they were whispering to Jim DeMint?
I think that this crowd is horribly dangerous.
PAPANTONIO: Understand, what might had been whispering is this a crowd—I‘m not making this up. This is a crowd who says, publicly, that they are talking to God about how they should lead this country.
Now, as far as the exclusion issue, when you spoke at that—when you spoke there at the memorial, and you talked about the division in America, and that is who is part of the club and who isn‘t part of the club, that crowd understood that what leadership for the Republicans want is a gated community, Ed. And it‘s not a gated community that all Americans can come through.
It‘s a gated community that‘s led by these elitists. I mean, there‘s no other way to describe it --
SCHULTZ: That‘s exactly right.
PAPANTONIO: -- these elitists like—and when you said that the crowd responded to it because they understood that in this gated community the Republicans want to build, most Americans won‘t be invited through the gates.
SCHULTZ: Mike Papantonio, great to have you with us. Thanks for your support. Thanks for being there on Saturday. I appreciate it, brother.
PAPANTONIO: Thank you for being there, Ed.
SCHULTZ: Coming up, Christine O‘Donnell is getting just freakier by the moment. She‘s found a way to make religion about meatballs. She‘ll take a spiritual journey into the “Zone” next.
SCHULTZ: And in “Psycho Talk” tonight, “Christine the Teenage Witch” is reaching Michele Bachmann like levels of insanity. Let me tell you, this it a dandy. The woman who even Karl Rove called nutty already has quite a history of “Psycho Talk.”
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CHRISTINE O‘DONNELL ®, DELAWARE SENATORIAL CANDIDATE: American scientific companies are crossbreeding humans and animals and coming up with mice with fully functioning human brains.
I dabbled into witchcraft. I never joined a covenant.
One of my first dates with a witch was on a Satanic altar.
Who didn‘t do some questionable things in high school?
Evolution is a myth.
BILL MAHER, HOST, “POLITICALLY INCORRECT”: Have you ever looked at a monkey?
O‘DONNELL: Well, then why aren‘t things—why aren‘t monkeys still evolving into humans?
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SCHULTZ: It‘s just great stuff, isn‘t it?
And today we find out during her unsuccessful 2006 Senate campaign, O‘Donnell said she had classified information about a Chinese plot to take over the United States.
If all that‘s not enough, on Friday night another psycho video clip of O‘Donnell was revealed. Apparently, she makes religion decisions based on her eating habits.
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O‘DONNELL: I was dabbling in witchcraft.
O‘DONNELL: I dabbled in Buddhism. And I would have become a Hare Krishna but I didn‘t want to become a vegetarian. And that is honestly the reason why—because I‘m Italian and I love me meatballs.
MAHER: Yes. Boy are you spiritual.
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SCHULTZ: So, Christine O‘Donnell, the fundamentalist conservative Christian, was just a meatball away from worshiping Hare Krishna. It tells you something about the depth of her religious values, doesn‘t it? Saying a love of meatballs was a reason not to choose a particular religion is very shallow “Psycho Talk.”
Coming up, New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson said Democrats need to stop complaining and realize that we have a month to go until the midterms. Well, I saw a lot of positive folks and a lot of unifying talk over the weekend. Governor Richardson will be here to tell us what the game plan should be in “The Battleground” story coming up.
And Sharron Angle‘s secrets caught on tape. She‘s hammering Republicans and trying to cut shady deals. Live reaction from Las Vegas.
All that, plus “The Drugster” hits the boob tube, and I‘m grilling Boehner in his own back yard. What is the DNC going to do to help Justin Coussoule beat Boehner? That‘s in the “Playbook.”
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SCHULTZ: Welcome back to THE ED SHOW. The “Battleground” story tonight, well, we are 29 days away from Election Day and I‘m here to tell you tonight, folks, that the progressive base is probably a little bit more fired up than you think. The one nation rally was a massive display of unity and energy at the National Mall, and it was absolutely tremendous. And the largest responses came from the crowd after the words, November 2nd.
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SCHULTZ: They want to change this country. And we, as one nation, stand up this day and say, we will be there on November 2nd. We will not give up. We will continue to fight. Are you Americans? Are you Americans? Do you love this country? Then we must vote on November 2nd.
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SCHULTZ: And of course a lot of people in the democratic establishment have been critical of the base. Vice President Joe Biden recently told liberals, stop whining. New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson said yesterday, Democrats should stop complaining.
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GOV. BILL RICHARDSON (D), NEW MEXICO: It‘s important that liberals, conservatives, moderates, and the Democratic Party, basically, stop complaining and realize that we have a month to go. If there‘s one message that I want to send is that we should stop firing at each other. We‘ve got enough people, the Republicans, firing at us already. So we not—we don‘t need these divisions in the party.
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SCHULTZ: I agree with the governor from New Mexico but I didn‘t see any whining or complaining this weekend. This might be a turning point. Progressives know the choice. And the question now is, will they be motivated to get out there and do something about it on November 2nd? Count me in.
Joining me now is New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson. Governor, good to have you with us tonight. Sometimes tough love is good especially coming from you, not only from the White House, but now from you who‘s been out there in the political wars for years. What could a rally like this do for progressives out there who might be somewhat hesitant?
RICHARDSON: Well, the rally, which I understand was very successful, and I hear you were great, energizes the democratic base. The last year, the base, the traditional democratic coalition, has been a little dormant. Has been critical. What rallies like this do, coupled with the president and vice president campaigning around the country, I believe very effectively getting out there in these backyard chats and these big rallies like the one in Wisconsin at the university, get the base energized. I have long felt that we‘ve spent too much time trying to appeal the Republicans and independents, when our own base, our own Obama coalition of young people, minorities and independents has been a little bit.
RICHARDSON: So I believe what is.
SCHULTZ: .what would you say to young people that don‘t feel like, you know, we were there in ‘08. There‘s really no big shakes. Not a whole lot has been done. It‘s not a lot different. What would you say to them?
RICHARDSON: I would say that we can‘t go back to the republican policies of the Bush years where we had huge, massive deficits. Clearly, a tilt toward the wealthy and corporations. Clearly, no direction in our international policy. No moral authority. America not respected internationally. That we can‘t go back to that. That the stakes are too high. Yes, there‘s not perfection coming out of Washington. I would also say that those young people that, that that coalition of the president‘s that he assembled that if you look at the president‘s record on financial reform, on health care, on education reform, on restoring America‘s role in the world is working, is working, but we‘ve got a long way to go.
SCHULTZ: Governor, great to have you with us tonight. Thanks so much for joining us on THE ED SHOW.
RICHARDSON: Thank you.
SCHULTZ: For more, let‘s bring in Katrina Vanden Heuvel, editor of “The Nation.” Katrina, nice to have you on with us again tonight. On the heels of the rally, what has to happen in the next 20-plus days?
KATRINA VANDEN HEUVEL, EDITOR, “THE NATION”: I would say what they say in Texas, dance with those who bring you. What you saw in Washington on Saturday was a great Rainbow Coalition of the base. Those, the rising American electorate who help elect Obama. They left Washington with voterless commitments to get out the vote and I think that the president needs to rouse the base with bold politics, moxie passion, and let‘s stop the complaints out of this White House. This is not a time for whining, as Bill Richardson said. It‘s a time for organizing, but at the same time you don‘t rouse the progressive majority by complaints about its ingratitude. Work to champion its causes. That‘s what needs to happen.
SCHULTZ: I thought there was just a tremendous energy through the crowd on Saturday. And I‘ve never been to anything like this before.
HEUVEL: Well, there was.
SCHULTZ: I mean, I‘ve just never been—I mean, and to be up there and to go through that crowd, I mean, if they go home and do what they can do, this is far from over for the Democrats.
HEUVEL: No, that‘s what‘s key. People need come, to go out from Washington, go out from Washington and mobilize. And the president and his administration need to understand that they, too, have—in these last couple years have played too much of an inside Washington game. They have passed some good pieces of legislation, modest flawed in different ways but it‘s time to remobilize that base, that coalition which put the president in the White House. But you had some great activists there and you had this Rainbow Coalition which was such a beautiful departure from the wonder bread of Glenn Beck and FOX News which shamed Martin Luther King‘s great speech by appropriating that terrain.
SCHULTZ: Katrina, seven to one is the count when it comes to money right now in averaging out congressional districts across the country. What does that mean?
HEUVEL: It‘s a really dangerous crossroads‘ moment in our politics, Ed. We‘ve got stealth money, just metastasizing through our political system but you know what, we‘ve never as Democrats because we fight for economic justice as best as we can. We‘re never going to beat corporate Republicans the right wing. We need organized people and we need to expose the corporate power that is really damaging and corroding and polluting our politics but we can do it if we go out there and fight on the ground and do it in a way, neighbor to neighbor, to explain what‘s at stake in this election.
SCHULTZ: Katrina Vanden Heuvel of “The Nation,” thanks for joining us.
HEUVEL: Thank you.
SCHULTZ: And thanks for your work.
Now, let‘s get some rapid fire response from our panel on these stories tonight.
The One Nation rally this weekend showed the true face of America. People of all different ages, races and backgrounds, a big difference from what I saw at the Beckster‘s rally on August 28th.
Alaska Tea Party nominee Joe Miller says, the federal minimum wage is unconstitutional and should be scrapped.
And according to the latest IRS data, more than 2,800 millionaires collect unemployment benefits at the height of the recession.
Joining us tonight Joe Madison, XM Satellite radio talk show host and Ron Christie, republican strategist with us tonight. Gentlemen, good to have you with us. Joe, you were fabulous on Saturday. I appreciate what you did for the One Nation rally, you gave a great talk, and I was encouraged coming away from it. How do you feel?
JOE MADISON, XM SATELLITE RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Well, it was a Neapolitan crowd. I just heard somebody say that it was different than the Wonderbread crowd but, you know, that ice cream where you have chocolate, strawberry, vanilla, it wasn‘t just a sprinkling of different colors. It was a Neapolitan crowd and these are the subscribers who now must go out and tell their neighbors, their workers, their friends that we‘ve got to now turn out the vote. And I think that‘s exactly what you‘ve got. There was nothing but positive energy there. And, Ed, like you, we meet people who saw this show, who listen to our radio programs, and they came from—
I mean, Washington State, California, the south, they were from Florida, they were from all over, Vermont. It really—and I‘ve been to these kinds of rallies before, but this is—this is one of the largest. It now has to be more, though, let me say this quickly, than any event.
MADISON: It has to be a movement, and that means that we‘ve got to move forward. Maybe make some sacrifices in the next 30 days or 20 days or so, and get people to the polls.
SCHULTZ: Ron Christie, give us your comparison of the two.
RON CHRISTIE, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: Well, for not having gone to the two rallies, I can‘t really give you a line-by-line differential between the two. Other than, of course, there‘s some very interesting differences that we can see. For one from the estimates that I‘ve looked at from the National Park service and from the “Washington Post,” you had several hundred thousand people come out to the Glenn Beck rally. This one by all accounts looking at the Huffington Post, other outlets this morning, you had tens of thousands. So I don‘t think that the enthusiasm to get as many people out there was the same for the two rallies. What I will say.
SCHULTZ: Well the “Washington Post” reported 175,000.
CHRISTIE: Well, again, 175,000 against the tens of thousands rather than the hundreds of thousands.
SCHULTZ: Well, CBS News reported Beck‘s rally had 87,000.
CHRISTIE: Yes and I would also find that looking at statistical sampling of the CBS News poll from everything that I‘ve read about that, they dramatically under candidate and CBS News didn‘t use an overhead lighter-than-air vehicles to record the number of people going out this weekend. But let me get on the real.
SCHULTZ: But the aerial photos which was—the CBS News commissioned, a company to go up and take the pictures.
CHRISTIE: Only for the Glenn Beck rally and they didn‘t do it for this one. And I would say also that the pictures that I‘ve seen looking from the top of the monument looking back—look, Ed, you and I could get into the Symantec. I don‘t want to get into that, who had X or who had Y. What I want to talk.
SCHULTZ: Well, you‘re the one who brought the numbers,
MADISON: You said that ours wasn‘t big enough.
CHRISTIE: You asked my opinion and I said that the difference was from all sample, it was in the tens of thousands that went to the one this weekend as opposed to hundreds of thousands but you‘re missing my main time.
SCHULTZ: No, I disagree with that, Ron. I‘m not going to let you get away with that. There are reports of 175,000 people on one month‘s promotion, I‘d say that‘s pretty good.
CHRISTIE: And I‘ve heard also that there are half a million people who were there for the Glenn Beck reporting.
SCHULTZ: That was Glenn Beck reporting. No news agency put it at half a million for Beck.
CHRISTIE: I saw several in the hundreds of thousands. Ed, do you want me to get to my real point?
SCHULTZ: No, wait a minute. Wait a second, now.
MADISON: I‘m going to have to referee you two guys.
SCHULTZ: No, I‘m being fair here. I‘m being fair.
CHRISTIE: If you go back.
SCHULTZ: What news agency put it at half a million, Ron?
CHRISTIE: I saw, A, on FOX News that it was half a million. B, I saw on the “Washington Post” that it was hundreds of thousands, several hundreds of thousands. You can say 175,000, that does not beat several hundred thousand. I want to say one important thing, Ed.
SCHULTZ: What is several, is that 200,000 or 300,000?
CHRISTIE: Well, if they‘ve got you beat by 200,000, 300,000, it‘s more than.
SCHULTZ: They didn‘t. Ron, it‘s very clear.
CHRISTIE: But again you want to talk numbers. I want to talk substance because the thing that upsets me about this One Nation that we‘ve talked about, your speech, Ed, you went out and you said conservatives, they‘re evil.
SCHULTZ: They are.
CHRISTIE: Oh so I‘m evil. I‘m a conservative. I come on your show every week.
SCHULTZ: Universal health care.
SCHULTZ: I think it‘s evil to deny people health care.
CHRISTIE: No, so you think I‘m evil. So, you think, again, you and I can have philosophical difference.
SCHULTZ: I think it‘s evil to deny people health care benefits, I think it‘s evil to ship jobs overseas and not have an answer for your own economy. I think it‘s evil to take a position on public education where they want to privatize it and got it. I think those are evil policies, Ron.
CHRISTIE: I think it‘s evil, Ed, for individuals to say that we need to have a tax cut for middle class Americans, the Republicans are holding it hostage. Interesting how the Democrats didn‘t have a bill that was introduced in the Congress. The Republicans did. Robert Gibbs was asked about this last week and he said, oh, well, the Republicans are going to demagogue it so we‘re not going to bring it up. Let‘s talk about the facts, let‘s talk about the issues, the speaker ran out like a coward this past week. Didn‘t want to have a vote because she had 39 Democrats who would have voted to extend all of the tax cuts. I think that‘s evil going into an election to hold up a vote in the tax cuts. Let‘s just talk about the substance.
SCHULTZ: I‘m imagining the filibusters. Joe, do you want to respond though?
CHRISTIE: No, but again, let me just say last one.
SCHULTZ: No, I‘m going to give Joe a chance to talk. Hold on Ron.
Go ahead, Joe.
MADISON: Thank you. First of all, Ron wasn‘t at, as he said, either march. I don‘t think Ron‘s ever been to a major march so.
CHRISTIE: I have, actually.
MADISON: I didn‘t interrupt you. You haven‘t been. You weren‘t there so you—and the two of us were. So you‘re not speaking from a position of knowing exactly what was going on. You‘re speaking from a position of reports. Number two, I‘ll tell you what‘s evil. To read in “Bloomberg News” that if the Republicans take over the Congress, they‘re going to cut $100 billion from the budget, which means that they will cut money for education, Pell Grants for low-income students. Two, cancer research. I am a cancer survivor, damn it. And I tell you, the reason I‘m surviving is because the government helped with research, Ron. And, three, they plan to cut funding for firemen and police officers. So if that building you‘re in right now went up in flames or somebody took it over, guess who would run in.
SCHULTZ: And gentlemen, we have to.
CHRISTIE: And class warfare, the Democrats took half a trillion dollars.
MADISON: Excuse me, excuse me, excuse me, I‘m not going to allow you.
CHRISTIE: No, excuse me. You guys took half a trillion dollars to...
SCHULTZ: And gentlemen, leave it at that there.
MADISON: I didn‘t interrupt you. You‘re not only.
CHRISTIE: Way to go. Nice to take it from the seniors.
SCHULTZ: Coming up, the tan man is out of touch for the Republican Party and the Democrats need to expose him for who really is. The man, Justin Coussoule, he‘s fighting the good fight trying to knock him out of the House all together. He will join me now next to the Playbook. Stay with us.
SCHULTZ: And it‘s not too late to let us know what you think. Tonight‘s text survey question is, do you believe our country‘s best days are ahead of us? Text A for yes, text B for no to 622-639, we‘ve got the results coming up.
SCHULTZ: And in my “Playbook” tonight, Democrats are using the threat of Speaker Boehner as a reason to go vote for folks on their side this November. The problem is, according to a recent NBC/”The Wall Street Journal” poll, half the country doesn‘t even know who the heck John Boehner is. So, if the Democrats are really serious about fighting the tan man, shouldn‘t they focus on the guy trying to knock him out of his seat entirely?
Justin Coussoule, Boehner‘s democratic opponent in Ohio‘s eighth district joins us tonight. Mr. Coussoule, good to have you with us. I want to ask you straight-up, are you getting any help from the DNC, are you getting national money to take out Boehner?
JUSTIN COUSSOULE (D), OHIO HOUSE NOMINEE: No, no, Ed, no national money, no help from the DNC, that‘s the short answer.
SCHULTZ: OK, so you‘re a guy who is a little bit behind in the polls.
COUSSOULE: Well, we haven‘t seen a poll here, Ed in 20 years. Boehner‘s been in office 20 years. Nobody thinks that he can be beaten in this district. And we‘re showing him—we‘re proving him wrong every day, so there‘s no numbers to work from except from the word that we hear on the street.
SCHULTZ: And what is that word on the street.
COUSSOULE: Well, isn‘t a day that goes by, Ed, that a republican or an independent doesn‘t walk up to me and tell me that I‘ve got their support. You know, people here are tired of career inside politicians and that‘s what John Boehner is. If there‘s an anti-incumbent move out there, it cuts both ways and this guy needs to watch out.
SCHULTZ: Is he outspending you by what number?
COUSSOULE: Well, he raises million, last I heard he‘s raised over $6 million but the thing is he doesn‘t spend any of it on his own race, he‘s never had to, so they‘ve over sold this notion that he‘s going to be the next speaker. They don‘t run the campaign here. We‘ve got a lot of room to operate under the radar.
SCHULTZ: The billboard that you have about showing how much he‘s played golf, how effect effective was that?
COUSSOULE: I‘ve heard about that billboard every day, then it cuts right to the heart of the matter. The guy golfs over 100 times a year. He‘s spends twice meeting, then coming on districts on golf. More importantly, he‘s out there raising money with lobbyists. That‘s what he‘s doing on the golf course. That hits home in a working class district.
SCHULTZ: Have you debated him yet and are you going to?
COUSSOULE: We‘ve challenged him. We delivered a letter to his office in D.C., we said anytime, anywhere, we‘ll go to D.C., we‘ll go to the golf course in Northern California if you‘re more comfortable. He ignored us. The local papers are helping us coffer up a debate, he said, he‘s too busy.
He doesn‘t have time to answer to his constituents back here at the home.
SCHULTZ: That is amazing. I say tonight that the DNC needs to filter money into Justin Coussoule‘s race to go after John Boehner. The Republicans have done a great job taking down leaders in the past like Tom Daschle. They got a lot of national money in South Dakota on that one. Thune beat him. I don‘t know why, we don‘t do the same thing on our side, we‘ll going to have you on again, Mr. Coussoule. Good luck to you. What‘s your website?
COUSSOULE: Coussouleforcongress.com, Ed, or beatboehner.com, that will get you to us.
SCHULTZ: Beatboehner, I like that one. Good to have you with us.
COUSSOULE: Thanks, Ed.
SCHULTZ: Up next, Sharron Angle has been caught on tape trying to cut a shady deal. Imagine that. I wonder how she‘ll try to get out on this one. I‘ll play—I‘ll play it for you and you could decide. And Heidi Harris will give us her expert opinion out of Las Vegas. Next on THE ED SHOW. Stay with us.
SCHULTZ: Welcome back to THE ED SHOW. A potential bombshell in Nevada Senate race, Sharron Angle‘s Senate campaign could be undone by an angry Tea Party. While Angle has a lot of support from Tea Partiers, Scott Ashjian is the actual Tea Party candidate on the battle in Nevada. He claims he could get 20 percent of the vote on Election Day. So, Angle met with him last week and tried to convince him to drop out of the race given her better chances to win. The “Las Vegas Sun” got an audiotape of Angle‘s plea.
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SHARRON ANGLE, GOP SENATE NOMINEE: I believe you can do some real harm, not to Harry Reid but to me. And I‘m not sure you can win and I‘m not sure I can win if you‘ll hurting my chance. And that‘s the part that scares me.”
JON SCOTT ASHJIAN, NEVADA TEA PARTY CANDIDATE: You have to understand something, it‘s not personal with you, and I hope you understand that.
ANGLE: Everyone says, it‘s not personal but then Harry Reid wins.
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SCHULTZ: Joining me now is Heidi Harris, radio talk show in Las Vegas. Heidi, what do you make of this?
HEIDI HARRIS, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Well, let me backup just a little bit. Scott Ashjian and his people are the ones who called for the meeting and Sharron as far as I‘m concerned foolishly fell into the trap. She never should have met with him. The guy polling at one percent, I don‘t believe he‘s got to destroy the race for Harry Reid. I mean, he‘s a factor. I guess, if you want to consider one percent a big factor, I‘ve interviewed him. The guy‘s slimy to the core. I wouldn‘t have dealt with him at all. He hasn‘t been talked about months in Las Vegas. He made a big splash when he first announced his candidacy. There were some lawsuits about it.
SCHULTZ: Hold on a second, but you can‘t deny what Sharron Angle‘s trying to do.
HARRIS: Oh I‘m not defending it, oh believe me Ed, I am not defending it for one second. Trying to make deals. It‘s ridiculous. She never should have never met with him. It‘s slimy that he audio taped her, that‘s ridiculous.
SCHULTZ: Isn‘t she slimy for even trying to throw that out? What‘s wrong with the competition?
HARRIS: Yes, I‘m not going to defend that. I am not in any way going to defend that but I‘ve got some breaking news for you, Sid James, who was the chairman of the Tea Party of Nevada, has resigned as of just moments ago and he‘s now going to endorse Sharron Angle. He‘s so disgusted by Scott Ashjian‘s behavior that he‘s leaving, so I don‘t know what‘s going to happen with the Tea Party of Nevada now, things are going to be up in the air for them.
SCHULTZ: How many Tea Partiers are there in Nevada?
HARRIS: Well, I don‘t know. We had about—depending on whose estimates you would believe. I would say close to 20,000 at our Tea Party in search light but as far as Tea Partiers, actual people who call themselves Tea Partiers, I don‘t really know. I guess we‘ll find out at the polls because there are people on the left who sympathize with some of the points that the Tea Party makes, so I really don‘t know what the numbers are. I don‘t think Scott Ashjian is going to be a factor. Everyone‘s forgotten him. He‘s desperate for attention. The left loves him because he‘s a useful idiot and they can trot him out as an example of Tea Party folks which he‘s not. But that‘s what the whole point. That‘s why they‘re giving so much inordinate attention on this whole thing.
SCHULTZ: Heidi, good to have you with us tonight.
HARRIS: Thanks, Ed.
SCHULTZ: Sid James, Tea Party chair is out. He‘s so upset with the candidate. What else is new? Good to you have on, Heidi.
HARRIS: Thanks, Ed.
SCHULTZ: Text survey tonight, I asked you, do you believe our country‘s best days are ahead of us? Eighty five percent of you said yes, 15 percent of you said no. That‘s THE ED SHOW. I‘m Ed Schultz. “HARDBALL” with Chris Matthews is next. We‘ll see you tomorrow night.
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