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Guests: Ed Rollins, Alec MacGillis

LAWRENCE O`DONNELL, HOST: The question of the day: does the elephant
in the room need to lose weight?

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s called "Christie`s hefty burden." Obesity
is a national epidemic.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The kind of stuff that comes up once you actually
get in the arena.

JOE SCARBOROUGH, MSNBC ANCHOR: Walked in here, he said, I want to
stand up as a former fat guy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Christie`s hefty burden."

EUGENE ROBINSON, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: Mika, you kind of skipped a
lot of the column.

SCARBOROUGH: He`s not amused.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Christie`s hefty burden."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He can`t do it physically.

O`DONNELL (voice-over): Christie mania reaches a fever pitch.

MARTIN BASHIR, MSNBC ANCHOR: Republicans keep reaching for.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He`s not shutting the door.

CHUCK TODD, NBC NEWS: Chris Christie waiting game.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, he better do it quickly.

ANDREA MITCHELL, NBC NEWS: At least he`s not longer threatening
suicide.

GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE (R), NEW JERSEY: Very special week for me.

O`DONNELL (on camera): His political stock price increases.

MITCHELL: Our friend Lawrence O`Donnell yesterday was with me and he
suggested that this was all about fund-raising.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Money will be a big factor.

O`DONNELL (voice-over): Rick Perry was in enough trouble without
having Chris Christie to worry about.

BASHIR: I`m the East Coast version of Sarah Palin.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Christie showing interest, Andrea, does not help
either Rick Perry or Mitt Romney.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Will Rick Perry have more than Mitt Romney?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We expect to be out-raised by Rick Perry.

BASHIR: Mitt Romney is out with a new ad.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m a she lion when it comes to anyone attacking
him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mitt Romney, they`re just not that into you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You better look out.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

O`DONNELL: Twenty-eight days. With exactly 28 days left for New
Jersey Governor Chris Christie to decide to jump into the Republican
presidential race, today, people are asking if he`s in shape for that race.

Friend of the show, Eugene Robinson, caused a ruckus on "MORNING JOE"
this morning with the first line of his "Washington Post" column. "Whether
or not he lets himself be persuaded to run for president, Chris Christie
needs to find some way to lose weight. Like everyone else, elected
officials perform best when they are in optimal health. Chris Christie
obviously is not."

Eugene Robinson`s column says Christie`s weight is a legitimate issue.
"Obesity is a national epidemic whose costs are measured not just in
dollars and cents but also in lives. Christie`s weight is as legitimate an
issue as the smoking habit that President Obama says he has finally
kicked."

Michael Kinsley in his first column for "Bloomberg View" was even more
blunt in his opening line. "Look, I`m sorry, but New Jersey Governor Chris
Christie cannot be president. He is just too fat."

Michael Kinsley, ever the learned and thoughtful liberal, admitted
that`s not a very liberal attitude. It`s discriminatory, it`s patronizing,
it`s coercive.

Kinsley is less concerned with Christie`s health than Gene Robinson
is. For Kinsley, it`s more about symbolism. "The president inevitably
sets an example, unfortunately, the symbolism of Christie`s weight problem
goes way past the issue of obesity, itself. It is just a too perfect
symbol of our country at the moment, with appetites out of control and
discipline near zilch. Perhaps Christie is the one to help us get our
national appetites under control, but it would help if he got his own under
control first."

The candidates` filing deadline for the New Hampshire primary is 28
days away.

With Republican world on edge about Chris Christie, two reports were
published by reporters with reliable sources in Christie world. "The New
York post" reports: "Christie`s renewed consideration about a White House
run came after prodding this week from some Republicans he idolizes,
including former First Lady Nancy Reagan, former Secretary of State Henry
Kissinger and former President George W. Bush," sources said.

"The New Jersey Star Ledger" adds, "In addition, the governor`s wife,
Mary Pat, no longer objects to a presidential run, according to an adviser
to the governor. A few months ago, former First Lady Barbara Bush called
Mary Pat to assuage her concerns about life in the White House, the adviser
said."

The Christie excitement surge continues even though there have been
exactly no national polls that show Christie`s support level among the
current Republican field of candidates. More importantly, Christie has not
been included in any of the key early state primary polls. The latest New
Hampshire poll, for example, shows Mitt Romney with a commanding lead there
with 41 percent of the vote. Rick Perry runs fourth in New Hampshire, with
8 percent of the vote.

The latest South Carolina poll shows Perry essentially tied with
Romney, a slight lead within the margin of error.

And the latest Florida poll shows Perry nine points ahead of Mitt
Romney.

There is at this point simply no polling evidence to indicate how
Christie would do if he entered the Republican presidential campaign.

The first thing Governor Christie would have to do if he announces his
candidacy is lie. He would have to tell the lie that he is ready to be
president or explain why he was lying when he said this --

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIPS)

CHRISTIE: You got to believe in your heart that you are ready to walk
into the oval office and to lead the station. And I don`t feel like I`m
ready.

I don`t feel ready in my heart to be president.

I don`t feel like I`m ready to be president.

I simply to not have the desire to do it, nor do I think I`m ready.

(END VIDEO CLIPS)

O`DONNELL: Joining me now is Ed Rollins, Republican political
consultant and former top political adviser to President Reagan. And
Jonathan Alter, a columnist for "The Bloomberg View," and an MSNBC
political analyst and a constituent of Governor Christie.

JONATHAN ALTER, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: That`s right.

O`DONNELL: Thank you, both, very much for joining me tonight.

Ed Rollins, I want you to take a look at a commercial that Jon Corzine
ran in that last campaign using the -- trying to use Christie`s weight as
an issue. Let`s take a look at that commercial.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

NARRATOR: If you drove the wrong way down a one-way street causing an
accident and putting the victim in a trauma center, would you get away
without a ticket? Chris Christie did.

If you were caught speeding in an unregistered car, would you get away
without points? Chris Christie did.

In both cases, Christie threw his weight around as U.S. attorney and
got off easy.

If you didn`t pay your taxes, ignored ethics law, would you get away
with it?

Chris Christie. One set of rules for himself. Another for everyone
else.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Ed, as we know, that ad didn`t play very well in New
Jersey. But what about this issue? It`s one thing for a campaign to bring
it up as Corzine did, which was kind of ham-handed. But you can`t stop the
columnists from bringing it up.

ED ROLLINS, POLITICAL CONSULTANT: Well, as a fat man, myself, who
ought to lose 30 or 40 pounds and just having gone through a campaign, it`s
a very tedious, very tiring process. And my concern for the governor, and
I don`t know whether he`s going to get in or not get in, is that he needs
to get in some kind of shape. My last advice to my friend, Mike Huckabee,
whose campaign I chaired four years ago, who lost 100 pounds before he
started running, is he needs to get 40 pounds off if he was going to make
the race.

Haley Barbour, when he was thinking about running, lost 35 pounds.

You need to be in basically be in some kind of shape. And, obviously,
at the end of the day, that`s not what`s going to move his candidacy
forward or not, but it`s a distraction. We`re sitting here talking about
it today as opposed to all the positive things he may have done.

O`DONNELL: All right. Let`s listen to what Chris Christie, himself,
had said about his weight.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CHRISTIE: The weight exacerbates everything. I`ve been pretty candid
about that right from, you know, the start of my public career. My asthma
doctors always told me, like my other doctors have told me, that the
lighter I am, the healthier I`ll be.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Jonathan Alter, it was bound to come up, and here it is
and you have Ed Rollins telling us that campaign professionals with
candidates like Christie, Mike Huckabee in the back room talk about it,
give advice on it, say this is what you got to do.

What should Christie do if he`s going to get into this race in terms
of -- he obviously can`t lose weight fast enough in the 28 days. But I
mean, he`s -- it seems like at some point, he would have to address it.

ALTER: I think he will. Look, you have to draw a distinction between
whether the weight will be a political issue. I don`t think it really will
be in the Republican primaries, and whether it will inhibit him as an
effective candidate. And there I really do agree with Ed.

This is a distance event. It`s a marathon. It is so tiring to be on
and off airplanes six days a week, then when he gets back for 12 hours to
New Jersey, he has to run the state, you know? And then he`s back on an
airplane.

And I know that, you know, for reporters, we are exhausted when we go
out with these candidates. The successful ones have some kind of special
gene that lets them seem fresh as a daisy when they`re really exhausted.
I`m not sure that you can have that gene and have that kind of weight.

So, I think what he will do is he`ll announce that he`s going on some
kind of a diet and then it will be like Oprah`s diet. You know, he`ll
actually get some fans as they chart his progress, assuming he`s somewhat
successful.

O`DONNELL: Ed Rollins, if Chris Christie were to jump into this thing
now, is there Republican political campaign staff talent available to him?
You have Rick Perry pulling in staff. You have Mitt Romney with a lot of
hired staff.

I don`t know the Republican staff bench out there, who are available,
who are willing to do it. I mean, for example, is Ed Rollins available to
the Christie campaign?

ROLLINS: Ed Rollins is done. He did his stint for the last three
months. So, he`s old and retired.

There are talents. The key thing is, he`s got a couple people around
him who have done his campaigns that are pretty topnotch. But you got to
have people in Iowa, South Carolina, New Hampshire, building a big
organization, raising money, doing all the kinds of things. You can`t do
it in 30 days.

Perry has been in the race now for five or six weeks. He`s still
struggling. He had people who are all prepared to do Gingrich`s race.
They`ve been doing this for six months or a year.

It takes time to put all the apparatus together. And at the end of
the day to raise the money, to compete, you know, five months from now
voters start voting and to be ready to go. Plus, having a full-time job
which will worry me, with a Democrat legislature.

The other thing that`s not been talked about is New Jersey has its
assembly races and Senate races in this November. So, he`s out on the
campaign trail basically campaigning for himself, raising money for
himself, and if for some reason Democrats have a majority in both of those
houses, and they add to that majority, there`s going to be a lot of very
unhappy Republicans in New Jersey where he has to eventually come back to.

O`DONNELL: All right. Let`s take a look at some of the issues he`d
have a serious problem with in a presidential primary. First of all, we`re
going to hear from one of his New Jersey constituents who has a problem
with Christie on immigration.

Let`s listen to what Lou Dobbs had to say about Christie.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LOU DOBBS, TV HOST: He`s out of his mind. He says it isn`t a crime
to be in this country illegally. U.S. Attorney Christopher Christie of New
Jersey says the simple act of being in this country without proper
documentation is not a crime -- his words. This is the kind of arrogance,
incompetence and cuteness that we really need a lot of in federal
government. This man is an utter embarrassment.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Jon Alter, you`re going to be seeing a lot of that tape,
2008 tape of back when Christie was U.S. attorney. You`ll see a lot of
that if Christie jumps in the race.

ALTER: Absolutely. You`ll also see a lot of tape you showed earlier
of his saying "I`m not ready." That`s really a problem for him. He`ll be
asked by every reporter about the "I`m not ready" comment and he`ll be
challenged by every other Republican candidate on immigration.

Look at the heat that Rick Perry is taking and he`s been quite tough
on the border, but they got him on this one issue that relates to the
children of immigrants who`ve done nothing wrong at all of illegals, going
to the University of Texas. So, it will be open season on Christie on
immigration. I think a series of other social issues.

Look, to survive in the Northeast, as a Republican, you have to be
fairly progressive on social issues. And that puts him out of step with a
lot of the conservative base.

O`DONNELL: Ed Rollins, I want you to listen to a tape where he had a
disagreement with Sean Hannity where he sounds -- Christie sounds a little
bit too much like President Obama on gun control.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS: Are there any issues where you are, quote,
"moderate to left" as a Republican?

CHRISTIE: Well, listen, I favor some of the gun control measures we
have in New Jersey.

HANNITY: Bad idea.

CHRISTIE: Listen, we have a densely populated state and there`s a big
handgun problem in New Jersey. Certain gun control issues, looking at it
from a law enforcement perspective, seeing how many police officers were
killed. We have an illegal gun problem in New Jersey.

What I support are common sense laws that will allow people to protect
themselves. But I`m also very concerned about the safety of our police
officers on the streets, very concerned. And I want to make sure that we
don`t have an abundance of guns out there.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Ed Rollins, how does that play to Republican voters in
Iowa and South Carolina?

ROLLINS: And New Hampshire -- not very well. And equally as
important, you know, that needs to be defined. He refused to fill out the
NRA questionnaire when he was running for governor.

You have to remember this guy, he ran against one of the most
unpopular governors in the country when he beat Corzine. And so, the
commercial that you showed earlier about him getting exemptions from
certain things and being overweight may not have had any impact because
that guy was going to be defeated, Corzine.

This is going to be a tough, rough battle. He`s one of the superstars
of our party. He`s been a superstar in New Jersey. He`s only been in
there a short period of time.

And the national media are going to have a field day on him just like
they have on Perry. They`re going to look at every element of his life.
You may be able to handle the Trenton. You may be able to handle the New
York press, not that they`re not tough. But you get into a presidential
campaign, they look at every element of your life.

And the bottom line, it`s a tough, tough game. I hope he runs,
though.

ALTER: Hope he runs. It would be good for the Republican Party.
They`re going off the rails, Lawrence. This may help them come back to
some degree of sanity. So, I hope he jumps in.

O`DONNELL: Ed Rollins and Jonathan Alter -- thank you both very much
for joining me tonight.

ROLLINS: Thank you very much.

ALTER: Thanks, Lawrence.

O`DONNELL: Republicans have a big crush on Chris Christie right now
because he is not running yet. Rick Perry can tell him exactly what that`s
like. More of Perry`s past is coming back to haunt him as his candidacy
sinks in the polls. That`s next.

And the protests expand across the country as "occupy Wall Street"
passes day 14. MSNBC`s Chris Hayes is at the "occupy Wall Street"
demonstration site right now.

He will be joining us live from the scene.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

O`DONNELL: Coming up, Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry is
sinking in the polls, being chased by hecklers. And now, his controversial
past is coming back to haunt him. The author of a new piece on Perry`s
political career joins me next.

And at this hour, police in New York are barricading streets and
increasing the pressure on the "occupy Wall Street" protesters.

MSNBC`s Chris Hayes is live at the scene and will join me later.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

O`DONNELL: Rick Perry got booed at the last Republican presidential
debate when he correctly but foolishly accused his audience of not having a
heart. If they opposed his Texas version of the DREAM Act, which allows
undocumented students who attended Texas high schools to pay in-state
tuition rates in the Texas University system.

That booing at the debate has now turned into heckling on the campaign
trail where Perry`s facing signs saying, "Rick Perry supports illegal
immigrants," and "Rick Perry endorsed by Mexico." Even though Rick Perry
entered the presidential race late, he was still obviously not yet prepared
for the national limelight. Even though, according to my next guest, Rick
Perry is the permanent candidate.

Joining me now is Alec MacGillis, a senior editor at "The New
Republic" and author of the magazine`s current cover story, "The Permanent
Candidate: What`s Driving Rick Perry."

Thanks for joining me tonight, Alec.

ALEC MACGILLIS, THE NEW REPUBLIC: Thanks for -- thanks for having me.

O`DONNELL: Your article takes us through Rick Perry`s candidate as
the permanent candidate. There are a lot of vivid moments in it, including
the one that`s getting a lot of attention, where someone tries to explain
policy to him, he says, don`t bother, I wouldn`t understand it anyway.

MACGILLIS: Right.

O`DONNELL: Is that typical of Perry`s approach to policy?

MACGILLIS: It is. This is not someone who`s overly concerned with
policy. Somewhat like his predecessor in Texas, George Bush.

What I really found in his piece for "The New Republic" is really this
is a man who`s not really driven by ideology. As much as he`s been made
out to be a hardened right wing ideologue by a lot of people right now,
that`s not the way people in Texas look at him or come to understand him.
This is a man who`s really kind of driven by his own ambition and his own
desire to climb the ladder, less than by any kind of coherent political
philosophy.

And so, you know, occasions like that where someone will come to him
and want to hash out the details of something, he said, yes, just don`t
bother about it -- it was actually kind of candid in a way for him to be
that open about his disinterest in that.

O`DONNELL: You quote someone as saying, working close to him, says he
can switch colors to whatever he needed to be at any time. One of the
colors that he has switched is -- lately -- as he`s gone from being very
interventionist in the economy, socialistic ideas that economists sometimes
call industrial policy. He`s created these entities, government entities
in Texas that funnel money into the private sector to support favored
industries in different ways.

That is what Michele Bachmann is calling crony capitalism because a
lot of the beneficiaries of those deals turn out to be in your reporting
contributors to Perry campaigns.

MACGILLIS: Exactly. I mean, a lot of states do this kind of economic
development stuff where they give big incentives to companies to come to
their states. It`s sort of a race to the bottom really. Texas, though,
takes it a step further. They give a lot more money and there are a lot
fewer controls on the money they give.

And the fact is that a lot of the people who have gotten this money
from these two funds in Texas have been major contributors of Governor
Perry. He`s been remarkably brazen about it, actually. Almost -- you
almost have to hand it to him. He`s been so forthright about it and kind
of unabashed about giving money to big companies and startup companies
backed by major contributors, including two people who gave him a $1
million loan in 1998 when he was running for lieutenant governor -- a loan
that he got in the last week of the campaign that basically put him over
the top in that very close race.

And that was the race, of course, that pull him in position to become
governor two years later. So, it`s really kind of a big enterprise that
he`s had going for himself where you`ve got the money coming in, in the
form of campaign contributions and then the money going out, taxpayer money
going out from these funds or through other channels to people who have
backed him.

It`s, like I said, it`s really remarkably candid. He makes very few
bones about it.

O`DONNELL: He also enters private business deals with these people
who back him. You have reporting on him making $1 million on a private
real estate transaction that involves a friend of his who also supports his
campaign.

This is a guy who`s been on government payroll most of his life for
the Air Force and then into politics. And he`s become very, very rich in
his outside economic interests, hasn`t he?

MACGILLIS: Exactly. It`s quite striking. Like you said, he was a --
he was a farmer and rancher for the first few years of his career working
on his dad`s farms and ranches. But then has been ever since a government
employee, state legislator, agriculture commissioner, lieutenant governor,
governor, and he`s now a very wealthy man.

And the way he did it was mainly through these land deals. He had
several very successful land deals, including one that I touch on in my
piece in "The New Republic" where he bought a small plot, third of an acre
I believe at a resort outside Austin, bought it in 2001 or 2002. Sold it
five years the later, had not built anything on this plot, sold it five
years later for $800,000 profit.

The person who sold it to him for a remarkably low price was a state
senator who`s a friend of his. The person who bought it had been set up --
had the sale partly set up by one of these major contributors of his. So,
it definitely has sort of a funny look to it.

O`DONNELL: Yes. There is no honest way for a politician to get rich
while in office. Exempt maybe and only maybe through marriage.

Alec MacGillis, senior editor of "The New Republic," thank you very
much for joining me tonight.

MACGILLIS: Sure. Thanks for having me on.

O`DONNELL: Coming up, we`ll go live to Wall Street on day 14 of the
protests. MSNBC`s Chris Hayes is there. He`ll join us from the "occupy
Wall Street" demonstrations.

And Christie fever turned out to be fun for the late night comedians.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIPS)

SARAH PALIN (R), FORMER ALASKA GOVERNOR: I think he kind of put the
nail in the coffin of speculation that he would run by the announcement
that he made today.

JON STEWART, COMEDIAN: And if I were the media, I would by gosh, I
would go back to lavishing unwarranted attention on other possible non-
candidates who have sent maybe more mixed messages.

(END VIDEO CLIPS)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

O`DONNELL: Still to come tonight: the Wall Street protest is going
national. MSNBC`s Chris Hayes is on the scene tonight in Lower Manhattan.
He will join us live from the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations. And
later, Fox News is once again accused of disseminating misinformation, and
this time the accuser, yes, the accuser is Sarah Palin.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

O`DONNELL: The police commander using pepper spray against some young
women.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JON STEWART, "THE DAILY SHOW": All right. That looks bad. Maybe
that cop had a good reason to use a blinding, stinging chemical on five
apparently already penned in women and what looks like his fellow officers
who are surrounding them.

Maybe the pepper spray was a mistake. It was a hot day. Maybe that
officer was reaching for his canister of cooling cucumber mist spray and
grabbed the pepper spray by accident. I`m sure he learned his lesson. I`m
sure if we just filmed him later --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re here in peace. We`re here in peace.

STEWART: I`m starting to think this guy doesn`t even have cucumber
mist spray.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: In the Spotlight tonight, the Occupy Wall Street movement
gains momentum thanks unfortunately in part to police misconduct and
brutality. Tonight, Occupy Wall Street protesters gathered outside New
York Police Department headquarters in protest of police tactics featured
here on THE LAST WORD and last night on "The Daily Show."

The protest against Wall Street greed, economic inequality, tax breaks
for the rich and now police misconduct continues to grow, with the help of
multiple major New York City labor unions. A 38,000 strong transit worker
union as well as service employee teacher communications workers and pilots
unions have all pledged support for the movement.

AFL-CIO president Richard Trumka endorsed the protests today, saying
"we need to bring back balance to the financial economy and calling
attention to it and peacefully protesting is a very legitimate way of doing
it. God only knows you can go to the Hill and you can talk to a lot of
people and see nothing ever happen."

The protests started in New York City`s financial district 14 days ago
and has spread to San Francisco, Chicago, Denver and Boston. More protests
are planned tomorrow in Washington. MSNBC`s Chris Hayes spoke with some of
the Wall Street protesters today.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC ANCHOR: What brought you down here the first time?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just because I feel like there`s a ground swell
here. That I think this thing could catch fire and people can realize,
this might punch through what`s going on in this country.

HAYES: What do you want to see happen here?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What I`d like to see happen is I would like to see
people in this country start taking an interest what`s going on, start
looking at what`s happening on Wall Street and how it directly affects
them. Look at this, a bunch of stinky hippies, this doesn`t affect me at
all.

They don`t realize they might lose their mortgage. Their property
values have gone down. Their retirement funds have gotten trashed. My
mother was supposed to retire. She can`t retire because her retirement
fund took a 40 percent hit. She can`t live on Social Security.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Joining me now from Lower Manhattan, the site of the
Occupy Wall Street protest, is Chris Hayes, host of the new MSNBC weekend
program "UP WITH CHRIS HAYES," which airs Saturdays at 7:00 am Eastern and
Sundays at 8:00 a.m. Eastern. Thanks for joining me tonight, Chris.

HAYES: Thanks for having me on, Lawrence.

O`DONNELL: Chris, we had earlier reports indicating that the police
were closing off streets down there and tightening up the pressure on the
demonstrators. What is the situation there now?

HAYES: Well, right now, the police seem to be just hanging back and
watching. And the mood is, as you can hear behind me, extremely jubilant
and hopeful, I would say. Every night, there is a general -- what they
call a general assembly here, or G.A. here, which is the sort of the
governing body of the occupiers. And it is run through a set of somewhat
broke rules that involve total consensus .

It`s really a remarkable thing to see. They use this method of human
amplification, where one person speaks and everyone else around repeats the
phrase. So you have this sort of hypnotic quality, where the words are
coming out slowly, as if being translated. And there is this sort of
remarkable energy around this meeting, which in its particulars is sort of
hilariously mundane.

It`s about getting food, about making sure the sanitation committee is
picking up, about getting sleeping bags. But it is a kind of model of
self-governance that is totally foreign and sort of remarkable to witness.

O`DONNELL: Chris, I think oddly enough -- ironically enough, the
predictor of this event was the mayor of New York, who said some weeks ago
on his radio show, "we have a lot of kids graduating college and can`t find
jobs. That`s what happened in Cairo. That`s what happened in Madrid. You
don`t want those kinds of riots here. The damage to a generation that
can`t find jobs will go on for many, many years."

There`s the mayor of New York saying there`s something going on in
this country that`s so disruptive to life in this country, so disruptive to
individual and collective economic progress, that there will be some kind
of outcry. This seems to be that outcry.

HAYES: I think -- I think a lot of people who have been witnessing
and reporting on and looking at the sort of -- both the scene and the
actual facts of the matter in terms of how our economy has come out of the
recession, and also just the national mood -- I mean, if you go around as a
reporter, you hear the same things over and over, the sense of disillusion
and disaffection and alienation and betrayal and anger and distrust in all
of the pillar institutions that comprise the fundamental pillars of the
entire society, from Washington to Wall Street, where I`m standing right
now.

Nothing has seemed to come along, I would say, but for the Barack
Obama 2008 presidential campaign. Since then, nothing has seemed to come
around to sort of quite channel that, particularly among I think
progressives, in the way that the Wisconsin protests did about a year ago,
and the way this is doing right now.

I think there`s a certain level at which everything about this -- and
if you come down -- and I would urge people that are in the tri-state area
to come down and check it out. Every stereotype you have in your head of
drum circles and meditation and hippies offering free hugs -- I got a free
hug right before coming on air -- is true. What`s also true is there`s a
tremendous amount of incredibly smart, passionate people who know what
they`re talking about and know that things are not right.

The fundamental truth about the fact that things are not right and
they are not working is what is resonating.

O`DONNELL: Chris, this is spreading to other cities, as I mentioned
in the lead in to this segment. I just, in a coffee shop today in Los
Angeles, was told by someone that he`s going to a demonstration, a sympathy
demonstration for this in Los Angeles, that isn`t even listed in our
rundown of demonstrations. There are more of these things popping up than
we can keep track of.

Is someone organizing those from where you are? Is that happening
spontaneously?

HAYES: It is truly remarkable to the degree to which it is
leaderless, the degree to which it is governed through consensus and the
degree to which things are sort of getting out to the Internet and sort of
self-organizing. Tomorrow, if you tune in on "UP," we`re going to talk
about this some more. And we`ll see you next week.

O`DONNELL: Chris Hays, host of "UP WITH CHRIS HAYES," airing tomorrow
morning at 7:00 and Sunday mornings at 8:00 right here on MSNBC. Thanks
for joining us tonight, Chris.

HAYES: Thanks, Lawrence. Appreciate it.

O`DONNELL: Ahead, Sarah Palin makes a big mistake, attacking Fox News
for putting out misinformation. That`s in the Rewrite.

And later, the late night comedians were all over Chris Christie this
week, as they will be if he runs for president every week. The week in
comedy is coming up.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

O`DONNELL: Time for tonight`s Rewrite. Sarah Palin is on thin ice
with her supporters and very thin ice with her employer, Fox News. Palin
is now 28 days away from breaking the hearts of her diminishing number of
supporters who have been hoping that she will run for president. Her value
as a book author, a paid speaker and a Fox News talking head has been based
entirely on the possibility that she could be an electrifying candidate for
president. Or at least a candidate for president.

When the filing deadline for the New Hampshire primary comes and goes
on October 28th, the world will know what viewers of this program have
known for quite a while, that Palin is not running for president, and that
her market value will plummet.

Nick Broomfield got his documentary about Palin, "You Betcha," into
theaters just in time. It opens tonight.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEAMALE: She was chewing gum like she was 12. And I
mean, you would have thought this was her personal fan club.

Palin is like the most popular preteen girl. She`s all about drama
and loyalty. It`s who`s in our club and who`s not in our club. And it`s
all about perceived threats and perceived disrespect.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: I know. I know. Looks like a cheap shot. But the
documentary actually has many more compelling scenes than the one we just
showed you. But that scene actually is the perfect lead-in to the trouble
Palin has been getting in lately at Fox News.

As the documentary says, it`s all about perceived threats and
perceived disrespect. Check out this episode of "FREEDOM WATCH" on Fox
Business.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is Herman Cain the flavor of the month, as
Governor Palin called him? Not to criticize him, but do these debates
result in somebody up and somebody down and is it always going to change at
the end of each debate?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It has that potential because somebody has a
chance to either do very well or very poorly. You know what, I think that
was a nasty comment coming from her. Flavor, you know, wrong. Herman
Cain, when I talk to people, to Republicans -- I was down in Florida this
week. They say, you know what, his policies make sense. They`re coherent.
I can understand them. He has conviction. He`s a real conservative. And
they like him, judge. You can`t undervalue --

SARAH PALIN, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Let me ask you about what was that
shot that Juan Williams just took at me, saying I made a nasty comment
about Herman Cain. What was that all about?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Actually, it wasn`t Juan Williams. It was I who
was quoting media who were saying you made the comment. But please correct
what the record established. Did you say the Republicans seem to have --

PALIN: It was Juan Williams --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you say the Republicans seem to have a flavor
of the month without referring specifically to Herman Cain?

PALIN: But it was Juan Williams who said he thought it was a nasty
comment that I made. I think it`s nasty when a colleague takes a shot when
they don`t know what they`re talking about. No. I said that what the
media tends to do is kind of gin up controversy and propel this flavor of
the week. And I`m not saying that Herman Cain is the flavor of the week.

I`m one of his biggest fans and I would never dismiss him or speak
negatively about him.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Where did the Fox guys get the idea that Sarah Palin
called Herman Cain the flavor of the month? Where`d they get that idea?
The problem for Palin on this one is that Fox News actually has a much
bigger audience than the Fox Business Network. On Fox News two days
before, Sarah Palin said this --

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PALIN: Take Herman Cain. Look at why he`s doing so well right now.
I guess you could say, with all due respect, he`s the flavor of the week.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Well, she got his first name wrong and at least she did it
with all due respect. But that is not Sarah Palin`s worst problem. At Fox
News, her worst problem is Megan Kelly.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MEGAN KELLY, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: What happens now? Paul Ryan has said
he`s out. Chris Christie has said he`s out. Sarah Palin hasn`t officially
said one way or another. But in the polls, she`s way down at the bottom,
including versus the existing candidates.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: OK. Fox News and Megan Kelly, in particular, are getting
way, way too fair and balanced about Sarah Palin. Roger Ailes knows how to
protect his valuable talent. He wouldn`t be allowing Fox News to be
getting all fair and balanced on Sarah Palin, even for a minute, if he
cared about protecting Palin`s long-term value to the network.

Roger Ailes has a very good feel for when the Fox News players are
moving from just being unfair and unbalanced to being utter absurdities.
Just ask Glenn Beck. Ailes knows that by October 28th, Palin`s value to
the network will be minimal. She will be a complete joke to everyone,
especially the people who believed she was going to run for president and
the people who invested their hopes and dreams in her running for
president.

So Roger Ailes is obviously not trying to control every word the Fox
News team says about Sarah Palin. And he`s got to have some very, very
serious problems with what Palin said on Fox News about Megan Kelly and
about Fox News.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PALIN: You know, I think it`s kind of humorous to see the way that
the media is covering these candidates. Let me give you an example of
this. Earlier today, Greta, on Fox News, you had a host who said Sarah
Palin in the polls, she`s way, way down there in the polls. I`m kind of
scratching my head going, wait a minute, on another network, on CNN just
the other day, they showed a poll where I was, like, within five points of
President Obama.

I was doing well, much better than many of the other candidates. I`m
thinking, all this misinformation and contradictory information,
contradicting information from even hosts here on this network, itself.
And many times a host or a reporter, they have their own agenda. And they
interject their agenda in the information they`re providing their viewers
and readers.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Now, it`s one thing for Sarah Palin to say that I
interject my agenda in the information I`m providing my viewers, because I
do and because Roger Ailes hates me and would be perfectly happy to have
Sarah Palin say that about me or anyone else here at MSNBC. But Sarah
Palin just said that Fox News, in the person of Megan Kelly, a Roger Ailes
favorite, lied about Sarah Palin`s position in the polls.

The latest poll that Sarah Palin`s name is in has her running, as
Megan Kelly accurately put it, way down at the bottom against the existing
candidates. Sarah Palin accused Fox News of putting out misinformation.
That`s her word, misinformation.

That would be my word for what Fox News puts out every day and every
night, but I don`t work for Fox News. Who else in the history of Fox News
has accused Fox News of putting out misinformation while still on the Fox
News payroll? And how perfect is it that the Fox News employee accusing
Fox News of putting out misinformation was actually putting out
misinformation in her accusation?

Fox News, a constant purveyor of misinformation, is actually not
guilty of putting out misinformation in the one instance that the current
Fox News employee accuses them of putting out misinformation. How long
will the misinformation network allow Sarah Palin to continue to use
misinformation to correctly label that network as the misinformation
network? The ice has never been thinner under Sarah Palin.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

O`DONNELL: Chris Christie`s campaign contemplation, Herman Cain`s win
in Florida and Michele Bachmann`s husband all inspired the late night
comedy writers this week. Here`s the week in comedy.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JON STEWART, "THE DAILY SHOW": Chris Christie, New Jersey governor
and part-time Bobby Bacala (ph) impersonator, spoke last night at the
holiest site in Republicanism, the Reagan Library, and was propositioned
almost immediately.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you reconsidering or are you standing firm?

CHRISTIE: Everyone go to Politico.com. It`s right on the front page.
I`m not going to bore you with it now. Click on it. Those are the
answers.

STEWART: It`s like a treasure hunt. I love it. It`s like a live
linking to another website. We`ll follow the clues and reveal the secret
message.

CHRISTIE: I`m not running. I`m 100 percent certain I`m not going to
run. I don`t want to run.

STEWART: So an urge to reconsider running for president, Chris
Christie points people directly to a two minute montage of unequivocal no,
I am not running. Interpret that for us, oh great political pundits.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Christie left the door slightly open for himself.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Chris Christie has left the door open ever so
slightly.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, he left like this sliver open. He left a
little sliver open.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Christie`s comments especially are a Rorschach
test. You see what you want to see, hear what you want to hear.

STEWART: You hear what you want to hear. Everyone else hears, I`m
not running. A Rorschach test? Yeah. It`s a Rorschach Test. It`s a
Rorschach Test. Tell me what you see. What do you see?

JIMMY FALLON, LATE NIGHT TALK SHOW HOST: There`s talk that New Jersey
Governor Chris Christie is under a lot of pressure from Republicans to run
for president. Yeah. Also under a lot of pressure, Chris Christie`s belt.

DAVID LETTERMAN, "THE LATE SHOW": They`re having trouble luring
Governor Christie into the presidential race. They`ve tried everything.
They`ve had phone calls. People have called from Republicans, trying to
get him, please. And I thought, have you tried pie?

But you know if you elect Chris Christie president, you can say good-
bye to pardoning the White House turkey. That ain`t going to happen.

JAY LENO, "THE TONIGHT SHOW": After getting sadly beaten by Herman
Cain, political pundits are calling Rick Perry Texas toast. That`s what
they called him in the paper today, Texas toast, which pretty much sums up
Perry and Romney, toast versus the waffle. What do you like?

CONAN O`BRIEN, "CONAN": Marcus Bachmann -- I don`t know if you heard
of this -- he wrote an open letter to conservatives describing his wife,
Michele, as rock solid. Yeah. Probably not helping was that he then
wrote, as rock solid as Taylor Lautner`s yummy abs.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: If it`s Friday, the late night comedians get THE LAST
WORD.

You can have THE LAST WORD online at our blog, TheLastWord.MSNBC.com.

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