The Ed Show for Tuesday, October 4, 2011
Read the transcript to the Tuesday show
Guests: Maxine Waters, Jim McDermott, Kimberly Russell, Bernie Sanders,
Holland Cooke, W.C. Edgar, Joan Walsh, Steve Kornacki
ED SCHULTZ, HOST: Good evening, Americans. And welcome to THE ED
SHOW tonight from New York.
Republicans in Congress are holding up the American Jobs Act. What
else is new?
President Obama, I don`t think he will get them get away with it.
Today, in Texas, he started to call them out by name. I love it.
It`s about time. This is THE ED SHOW -- let`s get to work.
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Eric Cantor said that
right now, he won`t even let this jobs bill have a vote.
SCHULTZ (voice-over): Republicans are playing games and the president
is naming names. Tonight, Congresswoman Maxine Waters on today`s jobs bill
Mitt Romney says the "Occupy Wall Street" protests are dangerous and
Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders is here with reaction.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who`s the enemy?
HANK WILLIAMS, JR., SINGER: Obama.
SCHULTZ: Hank Williams, Jr. has a new statement on his hate-filled
attack on the president -- and it`s a dandy.
And it`s a day of mourning for a whole lot of right wingers.
GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE (R), NEW JERSEY: New Jersey, whether you like it
or not, you are stuck with me. Now is not my time.
SCHULTZ: Christie is out and the rest of the Republican field is
still a miss.
Steve Kornacki and Joan Walsh are here.
SCHULTZ: Great to have you with us tonight, folks. Thanks for
House and Senate Republicans are trying to sabotage President Obama`s
jobs package any way you look at it. Today, John Boehner and Eric Cantor
shot down any hope -- any hope whatsoever, of the House voting on the
American jobs plan.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIPS)
REP. ERIC CANTOR (R-VA), MAJORITY LEADER: The problem is the policies
promoted by this administration that are sending a signal that we`re not
open for business in America.
REP. JOHN BOEHNER (R-OH), SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: I think we made it
clear when the president presented his plan, that we were going to go
through his plan, try to find those areas where we could find common
ground. Nobody gets everything they want. I don`t get everything I want
and I think the president understands the legislative process.
(END VIDEO CLIPS)
SCHULTZ: Well, the tan man and Cantor spent the last nine months
yelling, "Where are the jobs?" Now, all they do is whine about the
Today, President Obama hammered the Republicans and named names during
a speech in Eastfield College in Mesquite, Texas. The president went in to
Rick Perry`s backyard and nailed Eric Cantor for picking his jobs bill
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
OBAMA: The Republican majority leader in Congress, Eric Cantor, said
that right now he won`t even let this jobs bill have a vote in the House of
Representatives. I mean, what`s the problem? Do they not have the time?
They just had a week off. Is it inconvenient?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Remember when the Republicans always used to talk about the
judicial process? We just want an up or down vote. My, how times have
The president highlighted Kim Russell, a high school government
teacher who was released when the federal stimulus funds dried up.
President Obama laid her problems right on Cantor`s doorstep.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
OBAMA: Mr. Cantor should come down to Dallas and look Kim Russell in
the eye and tell her why she doesn`t deserve to be in the classroom doing
what she loves, helping our kids.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: That teacher, Kim Russell, will join us here on THE ED SHOW
in a moment. The president also invited Cantor and the Republicans to face
other Texans who desperately need Congress to pass his jobs package.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
OBAMA: Come tell Dallas construction workers why they should be
sitting idle instead of out there on the job. Tell small business owners
and workers in this community, why you`d rather defend tax breaks for folks
who don`t need them, for millionaires rather than tax cuts for middle-class
families. And if you won`t do that, at least put this jobs bill up for a
vote so that the entire country knows exactly where members of Congress
(END VIDEO CLIP)
OBAMA: So be fair about this, folks. Who`s the honest broker in all
of this? Was it not in the lame duck session of the Congress that the
president went along with the extension of the Bush tax cuts just to move
the country forward and get the country moving again?
Now the shoe`s on the other foot. The president is asking Republicans
to step up. The president is spot on.
Congress, because of all of this bickering, has an all-time low
approval rating and Americans are ready to put them right on the
unemployment line with the rest of millions who are out of work in this
country. According to a brand new CBS News poll, Congress has an 11
percent approval rating.
Face it -- Americans are not high on President Obama either because he
hasn`t fought hard enough in the eyes of some. But, generally speaking,
can we say they really dislike the Congress? President Obama needs to call
out these jokers in every corner of the country and he`s going to do it.
Back in Washington, though, here we go -- Mitch McConnell pulled a
political stunt trying to introduce President Obama`s plan on the Senate
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL (R-KY), MINORITY LEADER: I think he`s entitled
to a vote. It won`t surprise anyone to know I don`t think it is a good
approach, a way that is likely to create jobs, but he`s asked for a vote,
and I think we ought to accommodate the president of the United States.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: McConnell was trying to force Democrats to vote against the
bill before it had a chance to be debated.
Harry Reid, here we go, and the Senate Democrats, I hope, are pushing
back on McConnell. They are going to introduce a millionaire`s surtax to
pay for the president`s jobs bill. It`s about time.
According to the same CBS News poll, 64 percent of Americans, they
want to raise taxes on millionaires. I will, for just a moment put aside
my partisan belief here and how I feel about what`s going on in this
To be fair about it -- to be fair about it, President Obama damn near
gave the Republicans everything they wanted in the lame duck session of the
Congress. And I think the Americans have figured that out.
Now, here we go, 10 months later, he`s asking just for a vote on a
jobs bill. To build that bridge that would affect your constituents, Mr.
Boehner, and you still say no. So putting all of that aside, and just
accepting those as facts what I say tonight, do you need any more evidence,
Americans, as to who wants to move forward? Do you need anymore evidence
to come to a conclusion and render a judgment on who`s stalling our
It is the Republicans. The facts are the facts.
How about a vote on a jobs package? You know what? It might not
pass, but at least let`s have the vote.
Get your cell phones out. I want to know what you think. Tonight`s
question: are the Republicans trying to sabotage the president`s job bill?
Text A for yes, text B for no to 622639. You can always go to our blog at
Ed.MSNBC.com. We got results coming up later on in the show.
Joining me tonight, Congresswoman Maxine Waters of California and
Congressman Jim McDermott of Washington, two representatives who have a
habit of telling it like it is.
Congresswoman Waters, are the Republicans trying to sabotage the
president`s jobs bill? What do you think?
REP. MAXINE WATERS (D), CALIFORNIA: Are you kidding? These are job
killers these guys. They would rather try and undermine the president and
not allow this jobs bill to come up for a vote than create jobs for their
own constituents or make sure that the highways and the byways are safe.
In Eric Cantor`s district, 26 percent in -- well, many his state, 26
percent of all of the bridges are in structural disrepair, are functionally
not able to work very well. And so, here he is, ready to kill this bill,
not take it up for a vote, and put his whole district at risk -- 104 of
those bridges are on the United States highway system. One in four of all
of the roads in his district are in disrepair or poor condition.
And in his own district -- in his own district, 11 of those bridges
are deficient. That`s on the national highway system.
WATERS: And so, he does not care about the safety of his district or
his state or repairing this crumbling infrastructure. He would rather
undermine the president, stop this jobs bill, but we`re up to the fight
SCHULTZ: I hope so.
WATERS: We saw the president leading the fight. We have been pushing
him. He`s reached across the aisle. He`s been Mr. Good Guy long enough.
It`s time to fight.
SCHULTZ: Congressman McDermott, is the president doing everything
right now? Is he doing all he can do in your opinion?
SEN. JIM MCDERMOTT (D), WASHINGTON: Well, he`s laid out a plan, Ed,
and he`s now making it clear who is not doing what needs to be done. That
is having the hearing process, having it work through committee, and
brought to the floor for a vote.
He is very methodical in setting them up. And I hope that he does not
relinquish the pressure. As long as he presses and keeps pushing them, he
will continue to show to the American people he`s done everything that he`s
the president can do is lead. He needs some followers.
When John Boehner has 171 bridges in his own district that he doesn`t
care about, he`d rather help Mitch McConnell sink the president, when
that`s the highest priority. The president has got a tough job but I would
just keep doing what he is doing. Just keep pressing them and telling the
people that those bridges you are driving over are not safe and John
Boehner doesn`t care. That`s the real message of this whole episode.
SCHULTZ: Congresswoman, what else can Democrats do at this point?
WATERS: Well, I want the Democratic National Committee, and organized
Democrats to put an emphasis on these districts that they come from. These
Republicans, the Tea Party people, who are opposed to creating jobs,
opposed to making their states safe by repairing the infrastructure, they
have got to be contacted.
They have got to know what their representatives are doing and what
they are not doing. Somehow we don`t want to go in to those districts. We
don`t want to talk to them. We don`t want to point out what their
representatives are doing.
Their representatives keep them, you know, uncertain about what`s
going on and they talk about -- oh, those are the people who burned the
American flag. But they don`t talk about their economic condition. They
don`t talk about the fact that they don`t have jobs. They don`t have
health care clinics.
And so, Democrats have got to take that message right in to their
SCHULTZ: And, Congressman McDermott, to me, it doesn`t seem like
there is any political down side if the Democrats exert as much pressure as
they possibly can -- to make in the focal point. There is no down side.
It would be an absolute winner.
So, what else can the Democrats do at this point?
MCDERMOTT: I really don`t know. You know, I think sometimes about
that bridge that fell down in Minneapolis. And you say to yourself, how
would you like that to be your legacy in your district that you didn`t push
to get those bridges repaired?
I think there`s nothing that is more useful to the society now -- even
Eisenhower knew it in 1956. I mean, he laid out 46,000 miles of U.S.
highways. He didn`t ask -- well, do I have enough money or can we do it?
Or is it possible?
He said we`re going to do it and we did it. It ought to be the same
way today. People ought to be as concerned, at least as much as the
Republican president was.
MCDERMOTT: They are not. They don`t care about jobs for people.
SCHULTZ: They don`t.
MCDERMOTT: They simply do not care and that`s the message.
SCHULTZ: I have never seen the Republicans ever act like this. And I
guess we should have expected it on a record number of filibusters which
took place in the last session of Congress over in the Senate.
Congresswoman Waters and Congressman McDermott -- thanks for joining
us tonight. Appreciate your time.
Joining me now is Kim Russell. She was laid off from her job as a
social studies teacher in May. She introduced the president at his event
in Texas today. I got to ask you, Kimberly, how do you feel about what has
taken place in this country right now where there could be an investment in
jobs and it doesn`t appear to be happening?
KIMBERLY RUSSELL, LAID OFF TEACHER: I`m very disappointed. Being a
teacher, just in general you teach your kids always to get the best
education possible because they can be who or whatever they want to be.
Being a government and economics teacher, I teach them that America is one
of the most thriving countries, and, you know, innovative countries in the
And that every -- you know, basically every other country that wants
to have, basically, the type of government, economic system we have and
then I have to turn around and say, but you know what, at this point, now,
we`re at a -- in a position where we are never seen this type of thing
before. Where there are positions of police, nurses, doctors, teachers
losing jobs at a record rate.
SCHULTZ: And Governor Perry has slashed $1.3 billion out of education
in Texas. Are you part of that? Is that how you lost your job?
SCHULTZ: How about the president today? How did he connect with the
people? Were you impressed? Is he making the case strong enough?
RUSSELL: I believe so. I mean he came out fired up. It wasn`t like
you advise -- he was not pulling punches. He wasn`t holding back. He was
And if you could see this broadcast, you can see the audience was very
highly receptive. Most of his speech was, the audience was giving him a
standing clapping ovation.
SCHULTZ: So, you think the Republicans are definitely on the wrong
side of the issue with Americans?
RUSSELL: Exactly. Just like they said -- you know, he came in to the
Republicans back door today and he won people over.
SCHULTZ: Kimberly Russell, good luck to you. Thank you for your time
RUSSELL: Thank you.
SCHULTZ: All of the best. You bet.
Remember to answer the question right there at the bottom of the
screen for tonight`s survey and share your thoughts on Twitter @EdShow. I
want to know what you think.
Coming up: Romney says the protests are an example of class warfare?
Bernie Sanders is going to have something to say about that. He`ll explain
to the Mittster what really class warfare looks like.
And Hank Williams, Jr. got in hot water with ESPN over his comments
about President Obama. But his Hitler comparison is getting a pass from
some on the right wing.
Stay with us.
SCHULTZ: All right. Let`s talk about Wall Street. When FOX News
choose to finally cover the ongoing Wall Street protest, this is how the
on-air personalities characterized the protesters.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP0
VARNEY STUART, FOX NEWS: These people are railing against capitalism.
They are --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why are they here? Why don`t they leave?
STUART: I can`t answer that. We don`t ask them.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There are plenty of countries for them.
STUART: They are young.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Even though the protests are growing in size and even though
organizers say the protests are about economic inequality, not anti-
capitalism, FOX chooses to describe them this way.
Now, take a look at how FOX described Tea Party protests in the early
days of that movement.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GRIFF JENKINS, FOX NEWS: Here in Flagstaff, they are small business
owners, they are miners, they are farmers.
Can I ask you a question? Do you feel like Washington`s listening to
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: What do you think? You think FOX spent months propping up
the Tea Party movement as a grassroots protest being led by average
Americans? Even while millions of Koch brother dollars kept the movement
afloat and now, the Republican presidential front runner is jumping on the
FOX bandwagon bashing the protesters. More on that next.
And later, we`ll tell you which candidate stands to benefit the most
from the news that Chris Christie will not join the race. Stay with us.
SCHULTZ: Welcome back to THE ED SHOW.
One thing for sure, we don`t know where the story is actually going.
The "Occupy Wall Street" movement has made its way to the 2012 presidential
Mitt Romney got a question about it this afternoon and the "National
Journal" reports Mr. Wall Street himself answered with a classy righty line
saying, "I think it`s dangerous, this class warfare."
Mr. Romney, Americans protesting corporate greed is not class warfare.
I`ll show you class warfare. It`s when the top 1 percent of income earners
in this country hold more than 20 percent of the country`s wealth. It`s
when you see productivity increase, while overall wages stay flat.
And the income of the top 1 percent goes, I guess you could say,
through the roof. Look at the graph.
This is why thousands of protesters, I think, are marching on Wall
Street, and across cities across the country. These protests represent the
anger, I think, about Washington`s inability to crank down on rampant Wall
And the Republican Party is at the heart of the entire problem, in my
opinion. They have continuously blocked Democratic efforts to overhaul the
financial system and crack down on Wall Street. Republicans are fighting
to let Wall Street continue the reckless behavior that led to the recession
and is strangling the middle class.
And let me say that I think it is incorrigible for Republicans to sit
back day after day say and say that they are for small business, yet they
allow the financial sector to strangle access to capital when it comes to
small businesses in this country who want to take a chance and move forward
in this economy.
Joining me tonight, independent Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont.
Senator, good to have you with us tonight.
SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I), VERMONT: Good to be with you.
SCHULTZ: Bernie, I want you to address Mitt Romney`s comments about
how this is dangerous when he was asked about the Wall Street protests
taking place he said it`s dangerous. What your response to that?
SANDERS: Well, class warfare is dangerous. The only problem is that
the wrong class is winning.
What`s happening now is you have the wealthiest people in the country,
as you have just indicated, becoming much wealthier. You have Republicans
-- and this is what class warfare is about -- saying let`s give huge tax
breaks to the richest people and the largest corporations but you know
what? Let`s destroy Social Security, let`s cut Medicare, let`s cut
Medicaid, let`s deny young people the opportunity to go to college.
Let`s cut back on any effort to try to create jobs in America. That`s
SCHULTZ: Senator, will these protesters that are gathering in number
and city, will they have an impact on the Congress in your opinion?
SANDERS: You know, I think that they may. It`s too early to say but
I think they are touching a nerve, Ed. I think the average American
understands that there`s something very, very wrong when the people on Wall
Street, their greed and recklessness cause the recession. Millions of
people lost their jobs, their homes, their life savings. And you know what
the punishment was for the people on Wall Street, they got higher
compensation benefits. They are making more money than they ever made
SCHULTZ: No doubt. Senator, you and Congressman Michael Burgess of
Texas were at a hearing today and you have asked I think someone who really
should know about what the heck is going on Wall Street, Chairman Ben
Here it is.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SANDERS: Did Wall Street`s greed and recklessness cause the recession
that led to so many people losing its job?
BEN BERNANKE, FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIRMAN: It had -- excessive risk
taking on Wall Street had a lot to do it and so did some failure on the
part of regulators. I think people are quite unhappy with the state of the
economy and what`s happening. They blame with some justification the
problems in the financial sector for getting us in to this mess. And they
are dissatisfied with the policy response here in Washington. And at some
level, I can`t blame them.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Pretty high level admission, isn`t it, Senator?
SANDERS: Well, I think it is. But we also have to hold Mr. Bernanke
a bit accountable as well. One of the things, Ed, that the Fed can do --
remember during the financial crisis that the Fed lent out $16 trillion,
yes, $16 trillion to every financial institution, central banks around the
world, wealthy individuals, large corporations. That`s what they did
during the financial crisis to bail out Wall Street.
Now, with the middle class in decline with unemployment at 16 percent,
real unemployment, what the Fed has got to do is act with that same urgency
to protect working families that they did to protect Wall Street. Bernanke
is not doing that.
SCHULTZ: Now, Senator, let`s talk about the protests. Where to you
suspect this will go? Isn`t it going to have to go to Washington
eventually? And I have to ask the question -- are these the people that
allowed the Republicans to take over the House? Were these protesters,
were these the ones who were a apathetic in 2010 and let Boehner get the
Where were they a year ago? And how do we know that this is going to
be so genuine to hold through the next 13 months to make a difference in
Your take on that.
SANDERS: Well, that`s a good question. I would say as an independent
that I suspect a lot of these people are very disappointed at the president
and the Democratic Party, as well. They have not seen the president be as
strong as he should be on Wall Street.
Ed, today, you have six financial institutions, the largest six, that
have assets that are the equivalent of 60 percent of the GDP of the United
States of America.
SCHULTZ: So, you want to break up those banks? You want to break
SANDERS: You got to break them up. You got to control interest rates
on credit cards. You have to demand that the Fed start lending to small
So, what I hope will happen is that these protests will galvanize the
Democrats, maybe some Republicans to say, yes, maybe it`s time that we
split up the Wall Street and big money interest.
SCHULTZ: Senator Sanders, always a pleasure. Thanks for joining us
again tonight here on THE ED SHOW.
Chris Christie finally stomps out of the presidential rumors. He says
he will he says he still has more work to do in New Jersey -- which means
more pain for the middle class in the state of New Jersey. The governor`s
up next in the zone.
And later, it`s been almost one year since the incredible rescue of 33
Chilean miners. Now, some are them are speaking out for the first time.
We`ll have that.
Stay with us.
SCHULTZ: In Psycho Talk tonight, well, it took the governor of New
Jersey almost an hour at a press conference today to make sure everybody
understood that he was not going to run for president. The bully from New
Jersey, Chris Christie, made that announcement today. It is good news for
America, not so good news for New Jersey.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE (R), NEW JERSEY: I have a commitment to New
Jersey that I simply will not abandon. When I look at what we have
accomplished so far, I`m proud. But I know we`re not nearly done. This is
not the time to leave unfinished business for me.
The stakes are too high and the consequences are too real. So, New
Jersey, whether you like it or not, you are stuck with me.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Yeah, you are stuck with him, New Jersey. Here`s what
Christie`s commitment to his state has done for you so far in the great
state of New Jersey. The unemployment rate is above the national average
at 9.4 percent. Chris Christie vetoed a tax on millionaires and funding
for women`s health.
Last year, property taxes increased by an average of 23.5 percent.
And I`m sure all Americans are looking forward to that number with their
property. Train and bus fares went up 25 percent. Happened in your
Moody`s, Fitch and Standard & Poors all lowered -- they all lowered by
some chance New Jersey`s credit rating because of the state`s weak economic
recovery and growth.
Christie`s administration botched its application for a 400 million
dollar federal funding grant for education. Can`t do that. Then the
governor cut 1.3 billion dollars in aid to New Jersey public schools, while
spending 261 million dollars bailing out casino executives.
And you just heard Christie say he`s not nearly done yet. So get
ready for more attacks on the middle class. For Chris Christie to say he`s
proud of that list and to joke about New Jersey being stuck with him is
cruel Psycho Talk.
Right wring wingers are jumping to the defense of Hank Williams Jr.,
and comparing President Obama to Hitler. We will tell you why there`s a
political double standard in this country, especially in the country music
With Chris Christie saying I`m out, Republicans are say left with a
bunch of candidate that`s don`t really love. But too bad for them. Stay
SCHULTZ: Old, Hank. Just in case you missed it, here`s country music
singer Hank Williams Jr. delivering a comment that got his opening
performance, his song, pulled off of "Monday Night Football."
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
HANK WILLIAMS JR., COUNTRY MUSIC SINGER: You remember the golf game
they had, ladies and gentlemen.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You mean when John Boehner played golf with
WILLIAMS JR.: Oh, yeah. Yeah. And Biden and Kasich, yeah.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What did you not like about it? It seems to be
a really pivotal moment for you.
WILLIAMS JR.: Come on. Come on. That would be like Hitler playing
golf with Netanyahu. OK.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: There`s still no word from ESPN as to whether or not
Williams will be back in the opening next week. But today, here we go. He
got some vocal support from right wing talkers.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GLENN BECK, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: The geniuses at ABC decide they are
going to pull the Monday Night Football theme because apparently you can`t
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: So when a country singer on the right makes an inflammatory
statement about the president, it`s really no big deal. But if the singer
is a lefty, forget it. In case you forgot, the Dixie Chicks were banned
from Clear Channel Radio Stations when their lead singer said President
Bush was embarrassing.
Joining me tonight to talk about it all is talk radio consultant
extraordinaire Holland Cooke. And I`m joined by W.C. Edgar, singer and a
song writer. He`s a former member of Tim McGraw`s band. We got it all out
Holland, OK, is there a double standard here? He got big-time support
from right wing talkers today, and of course Hannity tonight. What do you
make of it?
HOLLAND COOKE, TALK RADIO CONSULTANT: Here`s the double standard. In
2003, when we were sending American troops in to harm`s way, the Dixie
Chick`s hit "Traveling Soldier" was number one on the country charts one
day and disappeared from radio the next day, because they got blacklisted.
Hank Williams Jr. hasn`t had radio air play since the `80s. And he`s been
reduced to performing at Palin rallies.
So the righties on talk radio love talking up free speech as long as
you agree with them. And in this particular case, he doesn`t. Now you
mention Clear Channel. A couple of weekends ago, they took over the MGM
Grand in Las Vegas for a whole weekend.
They had Steven Tyler. They had Lady Gaga, the biggest stars in talk
radio. Because with all of their radio stations, they have a lot of clout.
So they can make you or they can break you.
And this goes back to something you have been saying all along about
the ownership issue in radio. What you are seeing now in this double
standard is music radio`s version of why talk radio`s narrative is so
skewed to the right, because so many stations are controlled by so few
companies who clearly have an agenda.
SCHULTZ: W.C. Edgar, is there a political double standard with
country western performers?
W.C. EDGAR, FORMER MEMBER OF TIM MCGRAW`S BAND: With country
performers, you bet there is, Ed. All the Dixie Chicks really said is they
were ashamed to be from the same state that George W. Bush was from. And
just because of that statement, when Natalie and the Dixie Chicks were in
London, they were pretty much crucified and pretty much put an end to their
career just for saying that.
But yet Hank -- Hank is a big dumb red neck. Of course, he can say
whatever he wants and all those big red necks will follow him. You know?
SCHULTZ: Is there any way Hank, in your opinion, W.C., can mop this
up? Will it hurt him professionally for more than a week it.
EDGAR: It`s like the other fellow there was saying. It has been so
long since he had a hit. He doesn`t get major market air play that isn`t
on a classic country station. I think it is just typical Hank. I don`t
know if he can clean it up or not.
I think as far as the right, I think they are so far to the right that
they are just going to try to act like nothing happened. But if it was me
that said that or a real big singer on the left, they crucify us, too.
SCHULTZ: What you think, Holland?
COOKE: I beg to differ. You know, our society attaches a value to
infamy and mock redemption after the fact. This could put Hank Williams
back in the spotlight with some sort of song where he either apologizes or
doubles down. He was talking about running for the Senate in Tennessee in
2012, if you can imagine that.
I want to just gently take issue with the other statement about this
killing the Dixie Chicks. In 2003, Senator John McCain said that the
censorship of the Dixie Chicks back then was eroding our First Amendment.
This is John McCain, but that was 2003.
Fast forward to 2011, 2012, the Dixie Chicks don`t need FM air play to
have a hit anymore. There`s satellite radio. People are getting their
music from Pandora and iTunes and all kinds of other places.
So this hurts both kinds of radio. Talk radio reduces itself to this
shrill caricature. You have seen the trade press. The righties are losing
ratings in big markets. And music radio, if they pick and choose who they
are going to put on the air, people are going to find the people not on the
air somewhere else.
SCHULTZ: W.C., you have songs -- written songs supporting unions and
buying American. Do you get negative reactions to your message?
EDGAR: Actually, Ed, everywhere I play the song off my first CD that
I wrote called "When You Don`t Buy American," I have people in clubs and
people in big venues that stand up and salute me. And I get standing
ovations and it doesn`t matter where it is.
You know, the song bashes foreign cars and Wal-Mart and the things
that have hurt this country, and yet, at the same time, speaks in a
positive sense about good American icons like GM and Cadillac and John
Deere and things like that. Sure.
SCHULTZ: Holland Cooke, W.C. Edgar, great to have you with us.
Thanks so much.
Coming up, the Chilean miners in other words -- in their own words.
We will play you a clip from the new MSNBC documentary about their ordeal
as they speak out for the first time. Stay tuned.
SCHULTZ: Welcome back to THE ED SHOW. The crowd reactions at GOP
debates keep dogging the candidates themselves who choose to stand silent.
Since then, Jon Huntsman said that booing a gay soldier was unfortunate.
Rick Santorum said he condemned and claimed he didn`t hear it. Herman Cain
said he should have defended the gay soldier while on stage.
But when the Mittster was recently asked about it, he just lumped it
in to other crowd reactions and said that it wasn`t his place to object.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MITT ROMNEY (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I will tell you that the --
that the boos and the applause has not always coincided with my own views.
But I haven`t stepped in to try to say, this one is right and this one is
Look, there were people who cheered when the statement was made at the
Reagan Library that a number -- 200 some odd people have been executed in
Texas. I don`t know that cheering for executions is something I would
agree with either.
But I don`t raise my hand and say, please let me talk. I want to tell
everyone you shouldn`t be cheering.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Way to stake a stand, Mittster. More on the deeply flawed
GOP field with Joan Walsh and Steve Kornacki of Salon.com. Stay with us.
SCHULTZ: Welcome back to THE ED SHOW. It has been almost a year
since the world was captivated by the story of survival in Chile. A mine
collapsed, leaving 33 men trapped over 2,000 feet below the Earth. After
69 days, all of them were rescued.
But in the first 17 days of their ordeal, the trapped miners didn`t
know if they were going to make it out alive or not. In this clip from the
upcoming MSNBC documentary titled "17 Days Buried Alive," the miners
discuss their dwindling food supply and almost unthinkable option that lay
ahead of them.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ (voice-over): By the 15th day, with their meager food
supplies almost gone, the 33 miners feared that the civilized democracy
they had established might give way to something entirely different and
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You are battling against what food you have left,
against the probe making it, and against yourself, battling all of those
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was August 21st. We were down to the last can
of tuna. It was there waiting for us.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But one of us set an example. He was far sicker
than the rest of us. He suggested if we could manage not to eat for 48
more hours, that we could make 72 hours without eating, two more days. It
was my friend Alex Vega (ph) who proposed the 72 hours. He encouraged us
to hold out longer, though he was in an even worse state than us.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I had problems standing up. I had to do it very
slowly. And when I got up, I had to stop for about a minute because my
sight would get blurry and everything turned black. I waited for my eyes
to clear and then started to move. Moving was so difficult because I was
SCHULTZ: With their food almost gone, some of the starving miners
were now considering the final taboo.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I could see people who were really weak. Maybe
they were closer to dying, but we never said this guy`s ready to go. The
older ones were more worried. They thought the younger ones could last
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was a matter of who would fall first. That was
the position. The first one to fade away, we would have pounced on him
like animals. It was coming.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ultimately, it was all about survival. We drank
dirty water, ate a little tuna. We could have easily ended up eating one
of our companions. I always thought it could happen.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The devil came to visit us. We weren`t alone.
There was an evil presence. I personally felt there was an evil presence.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: The full story "17 Days Buried Alive," premiers this Friday
evening, October 7th at 10:00 p.m. right here on MSNBC.
Coming up, Republican voters are stuck with a choice between Mitt
Romney, who stands for nothing, and Rick Perry, who is imploding. Or will
it be Herman Cain and his 999 plan? Classic stuff next.
SCHULTZ: Finally tonight, with Christie a no-go, the Republican field
is set and it is full of deeply flawed candidates. I think you could
easily make that case, particularly in the eye of Republican primary voters
who have to choose one of those jokers.
Mitt Romney believes in global warming and was governor when the
individual mandate made the law of the land in Massachusetts. Righties
aren`t going to go for that. Rick Perry is getting crushed by his policy
to give in state tuition to illegal immigrants, even if GOP voters don`t
care about his weak response to the Texas hunting ranch controversy.
Then there`s Herman Cain, who thinks black people are brainwashed and
that`s why they vote for Democrats. And oh, by the way, he has a 999 plan
that is going to save us all. The very latest poll shows Perry dropping.
In the "Washington Post"/ABC News poll, Romney is on top, finally at a
highest 25 percent, with Perry and Herman Cain tied for second.
In a CBS News poll, Romney and Cain are tied. Perry is third.
Bear in mind, it`s only been seven weeks since Rick Perry entered the
race and skyrocketed to the top of every national poll of Republican
voters. Now where are we? The big guy from New Jersey is out.
Let`s bring in political columnist for Salon.com Steve Kornacki and
editor at large for "Salon," Joan Walsh. Great to have both of you with us
Joan, does it really it matter that Chris Christie is out of this race
now? Would he have really had a shot at this? The polls had him at number
four before he said no to this.
JOAN WALSH, "SALON": It`s a really good question, Ed. The media love
Chris Christie. They really see something in him that I don`t
particularly. They really wanted him to run. But I think what we just
missed is a chance for Chris Christie to jump in, dive to the top maybe for
a little while, because that what they all do, and then sink like a stone
when Republican voters found out that he really isn`t quite as hard-core
right wing as they`d like to believe.
That`s part of what`s happened to Rick Perry. It`s not just his
terrible debate performances. It is also that he actually believes in one
decent thing in his whole life, and that is the in state tuition for
undocumented kids. And he is paying a price for that.
On the other hand, the Republican party just won`t take Mitt Romney
for an answer. So there`s a void here, but I don`t see anyone to fill it.
SCHULTZ: I wonder if that is not changing. We have seen Michele
Bachmann do the sprint. We`ve seen Rick Perry do the sprint. We have seen
Mitt Romney. He seems to understand it is a marathon. At least the polls
show that. Steve, what do you make of this move?
STEVE KORNACKI, SALON.COM: That`s true. On paper, the biggest winner
here is Mitt Romney, only because he is the guy who has done the latest
least damage to himself in this entire process. Try to get your head
around this. You`ve got Mitt Romney, who cannot get past 25 percent, it
seems, in any national poll, even when everything goes right for him.
You`ve got Rick Perry, who just seems to be a total free fall.
You put up those national polls, those are bad enough. There was a
poll in Florida, a key early primary state, just yesterday that had him all
the way down to nine percent. Then you say, if it is not going to be
Romney, it`s not going to be Perry, maybe Herman Cain is making noise.
Herman Cain really doesn`t campaign. He`s not going to go to Iowa for
SCHULTZ: Joan, what about Herman Cain? Is this a real movement
forward? Will the Republican party ever endorse a black man?
WALSH: You know, perhaps the right black man. I`m not going to go
all the way there and say that it is racism. But I think that Herman Cain
is the flavor of the day, the flavor of the week, the pizza flavor of the
week. He`s another sign of desperation.
They don`t like Mitt Romney. So they glum on to somebody who seems to
be saying something new. But his 999 tax plan is crazy. His love for
Sharia Law is going to -- or hate -- his love for Sharia law as an issue is
going to attract some support from the hard right.
But I just don`t see him putting it together. Again, it is a sign of
SCHULTZ: Steve, do you think that Herman Cain has a real surge here?
KORNACKI: I don`t think he can win the nomination. But I think he
can do Mitt Romney a huge favor. That is this: if you took all of the
conservative candidates who are in this race against Romney and you pooled
all of their votes, I think Romney loses. And that was the promise of Rick
He kind of coalesces all of those conservatives. But if we get to
January, if we get to February, And Herman Cain is peeling off 15 percent,
Michele Bachmann is five percent, Gingrich is at eight percent, and Rick
Perry can`t get his act together, then I think that leaves an opening for
Mitt Romney to get 35 percent in a bunch of states, win the nomination.
That`s probably his best scenario.
SCHULTZ: I have to ask both of you tonight, is there a bigger ego in
politics than Chris Christie? The man takes an hour, after months of
saying he is not going to run, to finally come out, grab the network
cameras for an hour and say, by the way, I`m not running, and say that the
state is really moving forward, when you can easily document all the
problems that they are having. What about that, Joan?
WALSH: Well, I mean, there are a lot of big egos in politics. So I`m
not sure we can go all the way there. But I was struck by him sneering at
your own state, I`m coming back whether you like it or not. Again, that`s
the sarcasm and regular guy humor that people think the electorate likes.
But I`m not sure the electorate likes it.
I thought that was an outrageous thing to say.
KORNACKI: Yes, well, I think that`s the interesting thing about
Christie. It`s -- his popularity, when you look at it in New Jersey, it is
right down the middle. But what he really does is he polarizes. The
people who that stuff resonates with really like him. And the other people
SCHULTZ: I think we have a very boring GOP field right now.
SCHULTZ: Great to have you with us, Steve Kornacki and Joan Walsh,
here on THE ED SHOW. That`s THE ED SHOW. I`m Ed Schultz. You can listen
to me on Sirius XM Radio, channel 127, Monday through Friday, noon to 3:00
pm. And you can follow me on Twitter @EdShow and @WeGoted.
"THE LAST WORD" with Lawrence O`Donnell starts right now. We`ll see
you tomorrow night.
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