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Guests: Joel Bennett, Jonathan Capehart, Nia-Malika Henderson, Ed Rendell,
Tad Devine, Howard Dean, Gerald McEntee

REV. AL SHARPTON, HOST: Tonight, the Herman Cain offensive.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

HERMAN CAIN (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The charges and the
accusations I absolutely reject. They simply didn`t happen.

SHARPTON (voice-over): But, Herman, can you really save your
reputation?

CAIN: I don`t even know who this woman is.

SHARPTON: Joel Bennett, another accuser`s attorney, joins us.

Super Tuesday. Voters deciding issues from abortion to union-busting.

Gerald McEntee, the head of AFSCME, on what Ohio`s workers` fight
means for your fight.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: If Congress continues
to stand only for dysfunction and delay, then I`m going to move ahead
without them.

SHARPTON: And one year to go, and new poll numbers blast the myth
that President Obama is losing his base. Strategists Ed Rendell and Tad
Devine on the president`s re-election chances.

MITT ROMNEY (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Public servants shouldn`t
get a better deal than the taxpayers.

SHARPTON: GOP class warfare, Republicans on the wrong side of the
scale, as 76 percent of the Americans say the economy is weighted against
them. Howard Dean on the rise of the progressives.

And getting to know them --

GOV. RICK PERRY (R-TX), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It`s like live free
or die, victory or death.

SHARPTON: -- maybe a little too much.

POLITICS NATION starts right now.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

SHARPTON: Welcome to POLITICS NATION. I`m Al Sharpton.

Tonight`s lead, Herman Cain speaks out. A few minutes ago, Mr. Cain
held a live news conference to respond to sexual harassment accusations
made by Sharon Bialek.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CAIN: I have never acted inappropriately with anyone, period. I saw
Ms. Allred and her client yesterday in that news conference for the very
first time. I don`t even know who this woman is. Secondly, I didn`t
recognize the name at all.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: Cain also said the scandal would not drive him from the
race.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CAIN: As far as these accusations causing me to back off and maybe
withdraw from this presidential primary race, ain`t going to happen.

Nine days ago, the media started to beat me up, covering anonymous
accusers. And then, yesterday, another accuser came forth, identified
herself, went on TV, and made some other allegations.

Was it tough last week? Yes. Has it been tough the last couple of
days? Yes.

But, you see, that`s one thing about Herman Cain that I think a lot of
the American people know. And that is, just because it`s tough, there`s no
reason for me not to do what I feel like I have to do.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: This morning, the Cain campaign released a memo attacking
what it claims is Bialek`s "long, troubled history," including claims she`s
gone bankrupt twice and been involved in several lawsuits.

This morning, Bialek answered questions about her motivations.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is your coming forward a part of any kind of
financial motivation?

SHARON BIALEK, ACCUSES HERMAN CAIN OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT: Absolutely
not.

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, "GOOD MORNING AMERICA": Have you had any
contact with any of the other Republican campaigns?

BIALEK: None at all.

STEPHANOPOULOS: None at all?

BIALEK: None.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Zero.

BIALEK: Zero.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why did you decide to come out now? What`s in
it for you?

BIALEK: I don`t despise the man. I actually did it because I wanted
to help him. I wanted to give him a platform to come clean, to tell the
truth. And he still hasn`t done it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: Bialek was the fourth woman to come forward with
accusations against Cain, the first to do so publicly.

Joining me now is Joel Bennett, the lawyer for one of the two women
who settled sexual harassment claims against Cain at the restaurant
association. Up until now, Mr. Bennett`s client has remained anonymous.
But in an interview published within the past hour, she has been publicly
identified as Karen Kraushaar, a 55-year-old woman who works at the
Treasury Department.

Now, she was accuser A, who worked in the Communications Department of
the Restaurant Association. She filed her complaint in 1999, and
reportedly received a $45,000 settlement.

Joel Bennett, thank you for being with me tonight.

We`ll talk to you about your client in a moment. But, first, Herman
Cain said about these accusations, "They simply did not happen."

What is your reaction to Mr. Cain saying that what has been reported
about your client just didn`t happen?

JOEL BENNETT, ATTORNEY FOR CAIN ACCUSER: My client filed a detailed,
written complaint in 1999 specifying multiple incidents of sexual
harassment over multiple days. The incidents happened, and my client
stands by the written complaint that she filed.

SHARPTON: Now, Mr. Bennett, can you -- are you at liberty to tell us
the nature of these sexual harassment -- series of sexual harassment
complaints, what they are comprised of?

BENNETT: Not at this time, but my client is planning to come forward.
We plan to contact the other women and try to have a joint press conference
where the women will air their specific complaints.

SHARPTON: You are planning to contact the other women and hold a
joint press conference with your client to lay out in some kind of joint
way the accusations against Herman Cain?

BENNETT: That is correct.

SHARPTON: Now, can you tell me whether or not what your client said
in `99 in her complaint in any way runs parallel or similar to what we`ve
heard that went public yesterday?

BENNETT: Similar, yes.

SHARPTON: All right.

Now, the other thing that I must ask you -- and this is very
interesting about a joint press conference. I`ve not heard this before.
But let me ask you this.

Mr. Cain said tonight in front of a national, live press conference
that your client did not get a settlement and that it was found that what
she said was baseless. Is that true? Was what your client filed found to
be baseless, and if so, by who? If not, is Mr. Cain leading the public --
or misleading the public when he says that?

BENNETT: First of all, there was a written settlement agreement which
my client and I signed. It was signed by an officer of the National
Restaurant Association and the National Restaurant Association`s outside
counsel. It was a settlement that was satisfactory to both parities. It
involved a monetary payment to my client, and she left the employ of the
National Restaurant Association.

Secondly, I have never seen any findings on the complaint that she
filed, so no body of evidence has ever been presented to me that her
complaints were baseless.

SHARPTON: Now, so you have never seen any determination by anyone
saying it was baseless, and you used the term that you and your client
signed a settlement? Now, if you might have saw Mr. Cain`s press
conference. He said that there was not a settlement, but an agreement.

You are saying it was, in fact, a settlement, which meant that her
leaving and the payment was based on the accusation that was you and your
client`s understanding, it was not just based on some employment agreement.

BENNETT: That is correct.

SHARPTON: So then what you are saying is totally the opposite of what
was represented by Mr. Cain at his press conference?

BENNETT: That is correct.

SHARPTON: Now, the other thing I want to ask then is, if Mr. Cain is
saying something totally opposite of what you are saying, in terms of how
this was settled, not just an agreement based on employment, let me ask you
this. Are you hereby asking Mr. Cain then or the restaurant association to
say if there was a finding by someone that this was baseless, that you nor
your client was made aware of, they should make that public?

BENNETT: That`s up to the restaurant association. My understanding
is they did an internal investigation, and Mr. Cain denied the allegations.
But it wasn`t done by some outside objective body. It was done by
employees of the National Restaurant Association, who had been under the
supervision of Herman Cain.

SHARPTON: Now that your client is going public, and even taken the
step of saying, I want to stand with other women that make these
accusations, will you ask the restaurant association to release the file
they have publicly?

BENNETT: I will be in contact with the restaurant association`s
attorney before we have the press conference to work out the necessary
legalities, and I can discuss that with him. And that will be up to them,
whether they want to release anything.

SHARPTON: Mr. Cain was asked point blank, would take a lie detector
test? And he said, absolutely, or something like that, yes, "If I had good
reason," which I don`t understand.

Would you be willing to offer him a good reason and challenge him to
take a lie detector test once your client has gone public, and the claims
that she`s made and other women have been laid out to the public?

BENNETT: That`s up to him, whether he wants to take a lie detector
test or not. That`s his prerogative.

SHARPTON: Do you feel that Mr. Cain has, in his press conference
tonight, responded in a way that was forthright and truthful, given the
facts that you know and the facts that you believe that he knows, and
should have known based on what was, in your terms, settled in 199?

BENNETT: I do not.

SHARPTON: Why don`t you feel that way, Mr. Bennett?

BENNETT: Because I know the specifics of my client`s complaint, I
have seen Ms. Bialek`s statement on the record, and I just can`t believe
that she would come forward to make up something like this.

SHARPTON: Your client had said originally she didn`t want to relive
the details. What changed? What made her today say, I`ll come out and
I`ll even try to organize to stand with other women? What changed this for
her?

BENNETT: She had hoped to remain private and not become a public
figure, but her name has come out today, videos of her have been on the
networks. And so she knows that so much is out there now, she feels she
has to get the facts out there to justify her position and justify the
complaints she made in 1999.

SHARPTON: So you are saying -- and I thank you again for coming on
here immediately after and responding. You are saying, if I am to
characterize you correctly, that what Mr. Cain said in his press conference
tonight, as it relates to your client, was, in fact, not forthcoming and
could be misleading to the public as it relates to your client and the --
and what happened around the claims of your client in 1999?

BENNETT: That is correct.

SHARPTON: Joel Bennett, thank you for your time tonight.

BENNETT: Thank you.

SHARPTON: Here to talk about this whole situation is Jonathan
Capehart, MSNBC contributor and editorial writer for "The Washington Post,"
and Nia-Malika Henderson, political reporter also for "The Washington
Post."

Thank you both for joining me.

JONATHAN CAPEHART, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: Thanks, Reverend.

SHARPTON: Nia-Malika, can Herman Cain survive this by simply denying
all the accusations? You heard Mr. Bennett say here this was the first
interview he did that I know of after the press conference that his client
not only would come forward, but also wants to organize the other women to
come forward. He basically said that what Mr. Cain said about his client
and knowledge of a settlement, or characterizing it as a settlement, as
opposed to an agreement, was misleading.

Can he survive this?

NIA-MALIKA HENDERSON, "THE WASHINGTON POST": It`s hard to see how he
can go day after day with this stance, essentially saying that he doesn`t
know these women, he doesn`t know what they are talking about, he doesn`t
know anything about a settlement. It`s especially hard to see how he
survives it if these women in fact do come out and have this joint news
conference where they lay out the facts.

I think one of the things that will be interesting to watch over these
next days is to see if Republicans start to turn on him. You saw today
Mitt Romney came out. Before, he had kind of brushed questions about this
aside. Today, he came out and said that these were serious allegations and
that they were disturbing allegations.

So I think that`s going to be something to watch for.

If you remember with Anthony Weiner, that`s really what pushed him to
leave, was when Democrats started to finally turn on him and say that he
was a drag on the party and a distraction. So I think it`s up to a lot of
these Republicans, who have been somewhat saying these allegations are
disturbing, that he needs to come clean about them and really put some
facts out there. I think we`re going to see a slow trickle of that happen
over these next couple of days.

The big question I think also that he is going to get over these next
days is whether or not he`s actually going to put some facts on the table.
Is he going to call on the National Restaurant Association to release these
documents that he says exonerate him?

SHARPTON: Well, Jonathan, that was my question. Nia is a good
reporter. That was going to be my question to you.

Were you disappointed that Mr. Cain, in his press conference, was not
more definitive and specific in putting out evidence or calling on the
release of evidence? He basically was a lot more rhetorical than one would
have thought, given the gravity of the charges and the preponderance of the
charges.

CAPEHART: Yes, the press conference was woefully inadequate. It
didn`t rise to the level of the pink sweater press conference that Hillary
Clinton gave in the White House, talking about everything dealing with
Whitewater.

Herman Cain has a lot to answer for. The revelation of Karen
Kraushaar now, just an hour before Herman Cain went out and gave that press
conference, the story this morning was about Ms. Bialek. The story this
afternoon was supposed to be about Herman Cain answering the charges.
Tomorrow morning, we`re going to be talking about that press conference and
Karen Kraushaar.

It would be one thing if Ms. Bialek was the only person coming
forward, the only person to tell her story. Now that there are two women,
two of five, who have come forward to tell their story, Herman Cain, it is
imperative that he come forward and lay out the facts, tell the truth.

Right now, I don`t see how his support within the Republican Party
holds up, and I don`t see how other Republican candidates for president
hold back from calling on him to, you know, come clean.

SHARPTON: Well, they are going to have an opportunity tomorrow night
at the CNBC debate.

But, Nia, let me ask -- there was a couple of things that kind of like
was a little awkward to me. When he said that the Democratic machine was
after him, yet he said we have no evidence of this at all, like if somebody
else had said it, he was refuting what he said. He also said he absolutely
or clearly would take a lie detector test if he was given good reason.

It would almost seem to me that he was, like, very awkward, almost
uncomfortable in some of his answers.

HENDERSON: Yes. I mean, and changing his story, quite frankly, in
some ways.

I mean, he`s pointing the finger at the Democratic machine, he`s
pointing it at Rick Perry, he`s point it at liberals, he`s pointing it at
racists. So I don`t know where he`s going with these allegations.

It`s odd, because here is a man who has condemned the whole idea of
anonymous sources, yet he is pointing to this vast anonymous conspiracy
that is supposedly out to get him. And now I guess apparently they are
also apparently anti-business. They don`t want to see a businessman in the
White House, which, OK --

(CROSSTALK)

SHARPTON: Well, I`m going to have to go.

Jonathan, you`ve been around a little while. The first time you ever
heard a candidate say I don`t need everybody`s vote, I just need 51
percent?

Jonathan, Nia-Malika, thanks for joining me. We`ll be right back.

CAPEHART: Thanks, Rev.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SHARPTON: We all remember that night three years ago when Barack
Obama won the 2008 election. He did it by firing up the liberal base and
with an unprecedented number of grassroots organizers and the biggest
African-American turnout in history.

But since then, the right has been trying to drive a rift in there,
somewhere between the black caucus and others, and people saying that Obama
is losing their support. Completely untrue.

A new NBC/"Wall Street Journal" poll shows 91 percent of African-
Americans would vote for him today. But he does have his work cut out for
him.

With under a year to go, 11 states are up for grabs, including the all
important state of Pennsylvania, where, today, President Obama attacked
Republicans for blocking jobs legislation. It`s a message he should
continue pounding.

Joining me now is NBC News political analyst Ed Rendell, former
Pennsylvania governor and former chairman of the DNC, and Democratic
strategist Tad Devine, former senior strategist to the Gore campaign and
former senior adviser to John Kerry`s 2004 campaign.

Thank you, both, for joining me.

Governor, how easy are Republicans making this, blocking hundreds of
thousands of jobs? How easy are they making it by continuing to do this?

ED RENDELL, NBC NEWS POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, I think it`s from their
standpoint, a tragic mistake. It`s allowed President Obama to pivot and
run against a Republican Congress that has done nothing.

I mean, if the Republicans had said when he initially introduced his
jobs bill, well, we`re OK on the infrastructure part of the bill, we`re OK
on continuing the payroll tax cut, we`re OK on tax credits for veterans, we
don`t like the rest of it, but we`ll work with the president on those
things, people would have said, well, OK, they are making a judgment,
they`re not just saying no for political purposes. But by saying no to
each and every component of the bill, as well as the bill itself, they are
making it clear to the American people that they don`t want to give
President Obama any legislation that passes between now and the election.

They are willing to put the country on hold for the next year for
political purposes, and I think that that`s going to hurt them mightily.
And it`s going to hurt the Republican presidential candidate, too, because
you remember, Harry Truman got re-elected in `48 when he looked like he was
dead in the water in the polls. He barely mentioned Tom Dewey`s name, the
guy he was running against.

SHARPTON: Yes.

Now, Tad, let me say to you, we`re looking at the NBC/"Wall Street
Journal" poll that came out last night. The base is clearly more with the
president than some of the right-wing pundits and critics have said. But
he does have his work cut out for him.

Let`s look at these tossup states: Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan,
Nevada, New Mexico, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Wisconsin. In those
states, those are tossups, those are challenges.

What does he have to do to win and get his vote out in those kinds of
states?

TAD DEVINE, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Well, Reverend, he has got to talk
to people who live there about the issues that matter to them. The
president has got to keep making the case that he is working every day to
try to create jobs in this country, that he understands that people are
suffering because of the economic situation they are confronting each day,
that he is on their side on the issues that matter to them. And I think
he`s doing a great job of it.

I was so impressed to see in that NBC poll, support, 91 percent job
approval in the African-American community. He gets 92 percent of the vote
against Romney, 93 percent of the vote in the African-American community
against Herman Cain with an over-sample in that poll of 400 African-
American respondents.

So, the president`s support in that community is deep. I think he has
got a tremendous base to build on.

And the thing he has going for him, I think, which is his greatest
asset and the reason he is going to win this election, is, compared to the
2000 and 2004 elections, he has so many more states in play that he can
win. I think there is a much better route to 270 electorals for him, and I
think he`s going to get there.

SHARPTON: Now, when Tad talks about the issues in those states,
Governor, in Nevada, the president has to deal with 13.4 percent
unemployment, top in the nation. Michigan, 11.1 percent. Florida, 10.6
percent.

So, when we`re talking about the issues people are concerned about,
you are in states where the general unemployment -- and when you break it
down with ethnic groups and young people and women, it`s extremely -- much
higher than these numbers -- these numbers ended up as (ph) a basement are
huge.

How does he deal with that?

RENDELL: Well, again, I think the jobs bill speaks. Starting with
the jobs bill speech and all of the campaigning he`s done for it, has
created the impression that he`s the one person in Washington, D.C., who
cares about jobs, who isn`t focused so heavily on the deficit, isn`t
focused on domestic spending, that he cares about jobs over and over again.

And that`s what I talk about straight through to next November,
because the Republicans I think, again, by being obstinate, by not meeting
the president halfway, by not agreeing to some things that they voted for
in the past -- and the president has made that point beautifully. I think
Tad is right. He is really finding his stride. The Republicans are
opening the door and the president is going through it.

SHARPTON: Now, Tad -- and you have been a great strategist. You
worked 2004. I was involved in that Kerry campaign after the primary, so I
know that you know what you are doing.

When you look at the screen of Independent and suburban residents, 57
percent of Independents, 57 percent suburban residents, 52 percent of folks
from the Midwest disapprove of the president`s job. Yet, if you take the
vote, the polling of voters, 49 percent would vote for the president, only
43 percent would vote for Mitt Romney.

How does he get those in the Midwest, those suburban voters and
Independents back on his column that would reflect and then have a rise in
what the national polling numbers have?

DEVINE: Well, I think the president has to make the case to them very
vividly that when it comes to jobs, he is supporting immediate, urgent
action. And the Republicans in Congress are doing nothing but obstructing
him every step of the way. I think he has got a very powerful case to
make.

Governor Rendell is right, since the president gave that jobs speech,
since he`s continued to fight for every piece of legislation, every portion
of legislation for the jobs program that he`s put forth, I think the public
is listening to him, they are hearing him, and they are siding with him.
And I think if he continues to make that case all the way through, even in
the Midwest and some of these places and some of these demographic groups
where his numbers are lower right now, he can really make great progress,
particularly once the Republicans pick a candidate, and he can define that
candidate on his own terms.

SHARPTON: Now, Governor Rendell, you not only were a much lauded
governor, you ran the DNC. If you`re looking now at what`s going on, on
the GOP side -- you know, the last eight or nine days, the Herman Cain
distraction -- they are not really getting their message out, even though I
question whether they really have one -- how do you deal with the fact that
they can`t get a message out, the president is pounding away? The
president should keep ignoring their mess and keep going with his message?

RENDELL: Yes, no question about it.

Right now, the Republicans are eating themselves alive. The president
and his campaign doesn`t have to do it, although the DNC ad against Mitt
Romney -- it wasn`t a DNC ad, was it, Tad. It was one of those super PACs.

DEVINE: Independents.

SHARPTON: But that ad against -- right, Independents -- Mitt Romney
was a very potent ad. So, Mitt Romney is going to get attacked by the
other Republican candidates, as well as some of the independent expenditure
groups.

The president should stay positive, should ignore the Republicans,
should focus on one thing, as Tad said, and that`s jobs. That should be
the mantra of the campaign, the mantra of what he is doing in Washington.

And I agree, he should keep bringing it up. Make sure he keeps --
force them to vote on it week after week after week.

SHARPTON: I couldn`t agree with you more, Governor Tad, and if I were
to advise the President, I would tell them to listen to you two guys. A
wise man once told me, if you see a man on the edge of a cliff about to go
over, don`t get close, Mr. President. Don`t turn a suicide into a
homicide. Back up, give them plenty of room.

RENDELL: The president watches this show, doesn`t he?

SHARPTON: I think all great Americans do. Ed Rendell and Tad Devine,
thank you for your time.

DEVINE: Thank you.

SHARPTON: Ahead, million dollar Mitt pretends to be a man of the
people and it goes terribly wrong again.

And the grand old party overreached. Why tonight`s vote in Ohio could
send Republicans into panic mode. Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SHARPTON: We`re back on "Politics Nation" to talk about a number.
Seventy six percent. That`s the number of Americans who think this
country`s economic structure is out of balance. This country wants greater
equality. But they are not going to find it in this GOP party. Not with
Willard Mitt Romney who is still pretending he`s just a regular Joe.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MITT ROMNEY (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Public servants shouldn`t
get a better deal than the taxpayers they work for. Taxpayers shouldn`t
have money taken out of their paychecks to pay people in government who are
our servants, who are making a lot of money than we are.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: Making more money than we are, Willard? I don`t know too
many public servants worth $250 million, or who will have photo-ops of
dollar bills stuffed in their suit. Seventy six percent want to bridge the
economic gap. But Michele Bachmann isn`t the answer either.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REP. MICHELE BACHMANN (R-MN), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Our nation
needs to stop doing for people what they can and do for themselves. Self-
reliance means if anyone will not work, neither should he eat.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: If you don`t have work, you should starve. Is that her
vision of America? Seventy six percent think this country is out of
balance. Republicans aren`t the answer.

Joining me now is Howard Dean, former governor of Vermont and former
chair of the Democratic National Committee. Howard, you ran for president.
Is it just me or does attacking public workers and the unemployed seem like
a bad campaign strategy to you?

HOWARD DEAN, FORMER DNC CHAIRMAN: It is a bad campaign strategy, and
I think tonight in Ohio, you are you likely to see the result of that. It
was I think a very unpopular governor`s anti working people`s legislation
will be overturned. Look, Republicans really are out of touch. I mean,
for Michele Bachmann to say what she said is, is unfortunately
representative of the Republican Party. You may recall that there was a
debate about health insurance not very long ago in front of a republican
audience, and the Republicans cheered at the idea that somebody was going
to die because they didn`t have health insurance.

SHARPTON: Well, I also recall.

DEAN: This is not what we call appealing to the majority of the
American people. The American people are not like that.

SHARPTON: Well, I recall also Mr. Cain saying that if people were --
not working or not rich it`s their fault, paraphrasing, but that was his
point.

DEAN: Yes.

SHARPTON: And when you look at those kinds of statements where this
Cain, or Romney, or the leading contenders, or Bachmann. And you look at
this poll I just showed you, the feeling of the American people, they
didn`t seem totally out of step with where Americans are in terms of
economic equality and how to deal with these issues.

DEAN: It`s true. The problem is -- a lot of the problem has to do
with the business community. And it`s the business community is not always
been the way they are today. They -- they were leading in several civil
rights. They were leading in gay rights, in women`s rights. They promoted
opportunity before the legislature -- the state legislatures and Congress
made them do it. So they have a history of being socially progressive when
they wanted to be. Right now, they are not particularly, the Wall Street
community. The Wall Street, it`s all about them. This credit default
swaps, this collateralized mortgage obligations, where nobody know who`s
owns what, then homeowners take it on the chin.

So, they attack public employees. The other thing is, it`s not true
that public employees do better than similar job working people. That was
a heritage foundation which is a biased, right-wing foundation. And truth
is, their sample was very small, it was skewed, and their facts don`t add
up, which is not surprising. Because they are ideologically motivated
instead of motivated by facts. And that is the problem with the Republican
Party. They are completely and totally out of touch with the American
people. And the polls show that`s what most Americans believe.

SHARPTON: Well, Governor, I`m glad you made the point in which you
said about some of the business community and how many have changed.
Because I was at Zucotti Park earlier today, I`ve talked to a lot of
people in various parts of the progressive or the left, and people in
general, they call themselves progressive, are not just -- are not
necessarily anti business. They feel that a lot of them have become anti
people. And anti trying to make this system equal. And they act like they
are attacking, they are responding to being attacked.

DEAN: Yes. I would say the Wall Street folks are the worst. And
some Wall Street people do a lot of good things. Are you familiar with
Jeff Canon and Alan Schultz (ph)? That`s funded by a lot of people from
Wall Street. So, not everybody from Wall Street is a bad person. But what
they are doing for the economy is really bad. They`re taking money,
passing it around in paper when they should be investing it in real jobs
and things that, and businesses that make things again. And they haven`t
done that part of it is our tax code. Part of it is the fact that we got
rid of Glass-Steagall 20 years ago. That was a terrible mistake. These
banks are too big to fail so we have to keep propping them up. So, we`ve
got to redo the whole business model and let business pay again. Let hard
work pay, and right now, it doesn`t pay, and it certainly doesn`t seem to
be paying very much for the people of Ohio, who were voting tonight to
overturn their -- their governor`s.

SHARPTON: And then we`ll going to talk about Ohio in the next
segment. But let me say this, it`s not just businessmen, it`s also
legislators, Speaker Boehner. Let me show you what Mr. Boehner said about
giving more tax reform and the one percent paying more of their share.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOHN BOEHNER, SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: We can create revenue out of
fixing our tax code, and bring that revenue to the table as long as our
colleagues on the other side of the aisle are serious about cutting
spending. Come on. The top one percent pay 38 percent of the income taxes
in America. You know, how much more do you want them to pay?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

DEAN: Yap. But, Al, the top one percent own about half of the wealth
of the country. They ought to be paying. If they are only paying 38
percent, they are not paying their share. Look, the truth is, we were much
better under Bill Clinton when everybody was paying a little more tax. We
were much better under Bill Clinton. The Republicans came in, created its
enormous deficits, mostly by cutting taxes without cutting spending.
That`s why we have a problem. So, I`m not against cutting spending, but
I`m against cutting spending against the middle class people if you`re
going to let the folks at the top keep all that money, they`re ill gotten
gains from the Bush tax cuts, which were never paid for.

SHARPTON: Well, you know, you`re right. Under President Clinton,
taxes was raised. He talked about prosperity sharing, prosperity and we
created jobs. And he has a new book out talking about work now. I saw him
on "Morning Joe." When you talk to him, tell him to come do evening Al.
Howard Dean, thanks for coming on this show.

DEAN: Thank you for having me on, Al.

SHARPTON: The ground zero in the fight to protect workers` rights is
in Ohio tonight. Why governor Kasich`s overreach could send shock waves
through the Republican Party.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SHARPTON: Herman Cain denies all charges, but we heard earlier, a
lawyer has a plan to get all the Cain accusers together. You need to hear
this one.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SHARPTON: Welcome back to "Politics Nation" on this Election Day.
Seven states are considering ballot initiatives today, and we`re keeping a
close eye on extreme proposals in Maine, Mississippi, and Ohio. In Maine,
voters are deciding whether to keep letting people register to vote on
Election Day. Maine`s republican legislature voted to overturn that rule
earlier this year. In Mississippi, voters are determining if their state
will become the 15th to put a voter I.D. law on the books. Also in
Mississippi, they are voting on whether to change the definition of
personhood. Under the proposal, a fertilized egg would be considered a
person. The law would ban abortions and may be used to ban birth control
and some fertility treatments like IVF. In Ohio tonight, voters are
deciding if they will uphold Governor Kasich`s union busting law that ends
collective bargaining for public workers. That fight in Ohio will impact
the entire Democratic Party.

Hear to talk about that vote is Gerald McEntee, president of the
American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Workers are real
champion for working people. Gerry, thanks for joining me on this big
night. What is at stake in Ohio tonight, Gerry?

GERALD MCENTEE, PRESIDENT, AFSCME: Well, at stake in Ohio tonight is
something called referendum two, created by Kasich, when he went into
office, he went into office on a platform of the creation of jobs, and
everybody in Ohio getting a job and building a better Ohio. Once he got in
there, he just turned and he let the workers have it with a blockbuster,
and passed a law to do away with collective bargaining, so the workers
would have no rights to negotiate a contract. No rights to talk about
their wages, their benefits, their pensions. And so he got that passed
real quick without anybody seeming to notice, and we`ve been fighting ever
since, to get it repealed. And today, it`s on the ballot. We have worked
real hard, the people in Ohio. The workers in Ohio have worked real hard.

SHARPTON: Now, the workers I understand, and I`ve been out there a
couple of times as you know. There was 321,000 signatures required to put
it on the ballot, you got a million, three, if a lot of them came out
tonight to repeal it, won`t that send a message across this country to
other governors and state legislatures that the people will not stand for
losing collective bargaining for themselves and for public workers?

MCENTEE: Well, we sure hope so, Al. Are you right about the million
signatures? We`ve had thousands of people volunteer today, from other
states to go into Ohio. And make this battle, make this struggle and we`ve
had thousands of people from Ohio knocking on doors, as volunteers. If
we`re able to win this battle in Ohio, and I feel confident that we`re
going to do it, if we`re able to do it, I think it will send a message to
the governor in Florida, for example, the governor in Michigan, for
example.

The governor of Wisconsin where we fought like hell to have it rolled
back, and damn you did it, and then we`re able to knocked two republican
senators who have been around for a long time out of office and now we`ll
going to go after the governor. Walker to knock him out of office, to get
him -- get him booted the hell out of Madison for what he tried to do and
what he did do to workers in Madison, Wisconsin. It`s going to be a good
day. It`s going to be a good day and a good night. And we have about 30,
35 minutes to go, Al.

SHARPTON: Now, let me ask you this, Mr. McEntee. You would have to -
- you`ve been wise, you`ve been a prudent labor leader a long time. Why
are the Republicans and the right wing going after the unions? Is it their
belief that workers should not have a voice in their own pension funds,
wages? Or is it the politics of breaking the unions because it`s the
organized body on the left side of the center and they want to break those
that are opposed to them, or is it both?

MCENTEE: You right on, Al. It`s both. I mean, we are part -- we`re
not part, but we`re usually lined up with the Democratic Party. Because
they speak for the middle class and they speak for the workers, so we`re
generally supporting people like Obama and people in Congress like Pelosi
and Reid and those kinds of folks. Now, in addition to that, we`re also
out there and the Republicans and the state legislators and the governors
don`t like the fact that we`re going to speak up for the people so that
they get a decent wage and they get decent conditions and they get a decent
pension, so it`s both.

And they are out to fight both with the Koch Brothers. I mean, the
Koch Brothers were involved in Ohio in terms of buying ads and giving
money. We have -- we have them nailed, the Republicans in Ohio with robo-
calls, telling people that the polls will stay open for tomorrow. So you
don`t have to hustle out and get in line, but you can come out tomorrow and
vote. That`s an old Richard Nixon trick.

SHARPTON: Wow! So, there`s a lot of misinformation going on. But
the polls open another 35 minutes in Ohio. People can vote tonight, but
tonight only if you haven`t voted. Gerald McEntee, the fighting president
of AFSCME, thank you.

MCENTEE: Get that vote out, Al.

SHARPTON: Say it one more time.

MCENTEE: Get that vote out.

SHARPTON: All right. That`s the Gerald McEntee we know.

Ahead, Herman Cain says, he never acted inappropriate with anyone, but
another accuser just went public. A lawyer tells us about a major plan to
speak out. Next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SHARPTON: Breaking news tonight in the Herman Cain story. We have
identified the woman known as accuser "A," in the sexual harassment
controversy. She is Karen Kraushaar, currently a spokeswoman at the
Treasury Department. She filed her complaint against Mr. Cain in 1999,
when she left the National Restaurant Association. Earlier in the show, I
asked her lawyer, Joel Bennett, why she decided to come forward publicly.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOEL BENNETT, LAWYER FOR CAIN ACCUSER: She had hoped to remain
private and not become a public figure, but her name has come out today,
she feels she has to get the facts out there to justify her position and
justify the complaint she made in 199 9.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: Bennett also says, she plans to reach out to other women in
the controversy for a Joint Press Conference.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BENNETT: My client is planning to come forward. We plan to contact
the other women and try to have a joint press conference where the women
will air their specific complaints.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: Gloria Allred, the attorney for the woman who came forward
publicly, tells NBC News she would be willing to discuss the idea of a
joint press conference. This afternoon, Herman Cain denied all accusations
against him and claimed he would be willing to take a lie detector test to
prove his innocence. We will continue watching this, because charges
against one character is serious and charges against women being in any way
inappropriately or wrongly approached is very serious. But we will do it
in the context of covering all the issues. This will not turn into a
reality show. This will always be a show about all of our realities.

Thank you for watching. I`m Al Sharpton. "HARDBALL" starts right
now.

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