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Guests: Richard Wolffe, Michael Eric Dyson, Al Sharpton, Terry O`Neill, John Nichols, Chris Larson, Ta-Nehisi Coates

ED SCHULTZ, HOST: Good evening, Americans. And welcome to THE ED
SHOW from New York.

The Trayvon Martin story has taken an ugly turn in the conservative
media. Sean Hannity and Geraldo Rivera are desperately throwing out
hypothetical excuses for the killer.

This is THE ED SHOW -- let`s get to work.


GERALDO RIVERA, FOX NEWS: I think the hoodie is as much responsible
for Trayvon Martin`s death as George Zimmerman was.

SCHULTZ: Geraldo says it`s the hoodie`s fault. And Sean Hannity
thinks it was just an accident.

SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS: Is it possible that it was just a horrible

SCHULTZ: Tonight, the ugly reactions of the killing of Trayvon
Martin with Professor Michael Eric Dyson, Ta-Nehisi Coates of "The
Atlantic" and Reverend Al Sharpton.

The castle doctrine in Wisconsin is just three months old and
controversy is already erupting.

CALLER: My husband fired shots.

DISPATCHER: He did? Did he hit anybody?


SCHULTZ: Another young African-American kid is dead. We`ll bring
you the story of Bo Morrison.

The president picks up a surprise endorsement and the Secret Service
is investigating this comment at a Santorum event.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Pretend it`s Obama.

SCHULTZ: MSNBC political analyst Richard Wolffe will weigh in.

And the dynamic duo of Pat Robertson and (INAUDIBLE) are coming
together on Tim Tebow.

PAT ROBERTSON, TELEVANGELIST: If that injury comes back, Denver will
find itself without a quarterback. And in my opinion, it would serve them


SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight, folks. Thanks for

The Trayvon Martin case has taken a different turn today. We have
been witnessing outrage all over America over this killing. But now,
there`s outrage because the right wing seems to be ginning up a gas to
defend George Zimmerman the shooter. Here is Geraldo Rivera on FOX News
this morning.


RIVERA: Should be investigated to the fullest extent of the law and
if he is criminally liable, he should be prosecuted. But I am urging the
parents of black and Latino youngsters, particularly to not let their
children go out wearing hoodies. I think the hoodie as much responsible
for Trayvon Martin`s death as George Zimmerman was.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What do you mean?

RIVERA: When you see a kid walking, Julie, when you see a kid
walking down the street, particularly a dark skinned kid like my son, Cruz,
that I constantly yelled at when he was going out wearing a damn hoodie or
those pants around his ankles. Take that hood off, people look at you and
what do they think? What`s the instant identification, what`s the instant

It`s those crime scene surveillance tapes. Every time you see
someone sticking up a 7-Eleven, the kid is wearing a hoodie. When you see
a black or Latino youngster, particularly on the street, you walk to the
other side of the street. You try to avoid that confrontation.

Trayvon Martin`s, God bless him, he`s an innocent kid, a wonderful
kid, a box of Skittles in his hand, he didn`t deserve to die. But I`ll be
you money, if he didn`t have that hoodie on, that nutty neighborhood watch
guy wouldn`t have responded in that violent and aggressive way.


SCHULTZ: This is classic example of a reporter injecting himself
into the story. Geraldo, there`s nobody better than that. His take was so
far off the mark, his own son objected.

Rivera tweeted, "My own son just wrote to say he`s ashamed of my
position on hoodies. I still feel parents must do whatever they can to
keep their kids safe."

In an effort to create a unique take on the Trayvon Martin case,
Geraldo Rivera has made a ridiculous comment. He`s handed George Zimmerman
an absurd defense.

To offer up the idea that Trayvon Martin was killed because of the
clothes he was wearing is absolutely outrageous. But there`s more. Here`s
what Sean Hannity said about the case.


HANNITY: Could this be a terrible tragedy? Could this just be, you
know, a case where Trayvon was running because he thought he was in
jeopardy? He was in the neighborhood that was -- and we have a series of
crimes. Is it possible it`s a horrible accident?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It could be. I mean, Sean, certainly, the
defense is going to come forward and say that. It`s a tragedy. Obviously,
everyone -- he misunderstood. Zimmerman thought he was in fear of his

HANNITY: I mean, this is tragedy. This young man, we just don`t
know if it was an accident or this was somehow intentional.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We do know that he wasn`t doing anything wrong.

HANNITY: We do know that. We know he had no weapons. That Skittles
and a phone.


SCHULTZ: Hannity says that we don`t know if it was an accident or if
it was intentional? Yes, we do know. Even the shooter doesn`t claim it
was an accident. Here is George Zimmerman on the 911 call.


DISPATCHER: Are you following him?


DISPATCHER: OK, we don`t need you to do that.



SCHULTZ: Well, that doesn`t sound like an accident to me. How about
you, Sean, does that sound like an accident?

Zimmerman followed Trayvon Martin against the order of the

Here is another 911 call from one of the neighbors.



DISPATCHER: So you think he`s yelling help?


DISPATCHER: All right. What is your phone number?

CALLER: There`s gunshots.

There`s someone screaming. I just heard gunshots.

CALLER: There`s a black guy down. It looks like he`s been shot and
he`s dead.


SCHULTZ: Here is the girlfriend`s account of what happened that


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Trayvon said, what are you following me for?
Then the man said, what you doing around here? Then somebody pushed
Trayvon because the headset just fell.


SCHULTZ: George Zimmerman actually told police that he was attacked
from behind as he was walking back to his truck. Everything we had heard
contradicts that. And no one is claiming it was an accident.

For Sean Hannity to even suggest that the killing was an accident
shows a total disregard for the facts and a complete lack of respect for
the family.

There is another take today on this story from LeBron James and the
Miami Heat, the NBA. James tweeted this picture of the team wearing
hoodies with their heads bowed.

Today, students at the Arthur Ashe Middle School in Florida made a
formation of the letters T.M.

This story is a long way from being over.

Get your cells out. I want to know what you think. Tonight`s
question: Was the shooting of Trayvon Martin just a horrible accident?
Text A for yes, text B for n to 622639. And you can also go to our blog at We`ll bring you the results later on in the show.

I`m joined tonight by Ta-Nehisi Coates, senior editor for "The
Atlantic"; and Michael Eric Dyson, MSNBC political analyst and Georgetown
University Professor.

Gentlemen, thanks for being here with us tonight here in New York on
this story.

Ta-Nehisi, what about what Geraldo Rivera said?

TA-NEHISI COATES, THE ATLANTIC: Well, I think it`s interesting.
We`ve always been told that guns don`t kill, people kill. Now we`re being
told that hoodies kill, apparently people don`t.

We all have talks -- those of us who have children, particularly
those of us who are African-American, Latino, how they should conduct
themselves out in public, how they should address the police, how they
should address authority figures in general, how they should dress. That`s
one conversation you can have.

That`s very different than saying that`s equally responsible for at
the same time somebody commits a crime against you. There`s streets on my
neighborhood that I might not go down because they aren`t pretty well lit.
But if I get held up in those streets, it`s not fault that I got held up.
It didn`t excuse an actual crime.

SCHULTZ: How outrageous is it?

outrageous. It`s an egregious affront to any civility that we have. Look,
a hood and a hoodie. This is why LeBron James did it. This is why they
have hoodie marches across the country. This is why rappers and
entertainers and singers ands other people are saying, look, we`re going to
dress in the hood.

The Unabomber had a hood. But he was a white guy and he escaped
noticed. Millions of white people get up each morning to go to the gym
wearing a hood.

What`s problematic here is the association between race and
criminality and the association between dark skinned black men. Listen to
what he said, that is a Geraldo. A dark skin kid. He talks about his own
son and association with that in criminality.

As Ta-Nehisi has said, you can tell your kids, look, don`t dress a
certain way, don`t look a certain way, don`t speak to the police a certain
way, be differential beyond principal difference because your life is at
stake here. That`s only because the police have been so outrageous in
their assault upon black people. It doesn`t mean that dressing in a hoodie
innately is wrong.

So, Ed, any take you have on this, the whole point is, black people
have been unduly and unfairly and unjustly assaulted and talked about in
relationship to criminality. And, clearly, George Zimmerman sought this
young kind out because he was a black man.

SCHULTZ: Did Geraldo Rivera do a disservice to all of this?

DYSON: Extremely, he did a great disservice, because now he is
trying to let the shooter off the hook. He`s trying to absolve us of
responsibility. It`s like saying to black people in the 1950s, you know,
the fact is that if you wouldn`t act so belligerent, then the white people
wouldn`t treat you so horribly.

No, the fact is that segregation and Jim Crow are real, and that
regardless of how black people act, we should be treated with a certain set
of decent practices in this country.

SCHULTZ: Ta-Nehisi?

COATES: I just to want, if I can jump on top of that.

He also did a disservice to the young man`s parents. You have --
your son is dead, three weeks dead. The way you address that is you should
have dressed him better.

I mean, it`s just ridiculous. You send your kid out to the corner
store. He`s dead.

And what Geraldo has to say to this young man`s friend is it`s your
fault. It`s equally your fault because you should have dressed him better.
This is an extremely callous thing to say.

SCHULTZ: What do you make of Hannity even suggesting that it was an

COATES: I think accidents are still prosecutable, you know?
Accidents happen all the time and people get prosecuted for them. That
doesn`t let the killer off at all.

SCHULTZ: Is this an example of it being in the talk culture for more
than a week, a very intense subject.

And here comes the talker trying to come up with a different take and
steps in it?

DYSON: Well, it`s not only that, Ed. They were slow on the uptake
to begin with.


DYSON: FOX was. They were not addressing this in a serious way, and
then begrudgingly, they`ve acknowledged that something egregious has
happened here. And so, now, they are trying to come up with an excuse.

And the horrible thing about this is that they are coming up with all
kinds of excuses because they still can`t believe the fact that this kid
could be innocent.

SCHULTZ: All right. I want -- this is the president today. It`s
gotten into presidential politics now. The president was announcing the
head of the World Bank today. The candidate for that and, of course, he
was asked a question about it. Here`s his response.


to do some soul searching to figure out how did something like this happen.
That means that we examine the laws and the context for what happened as
well as the specifics of the incident.

But my main message is to the parents of Trayvon Martin. You know,
if I had a son, he`d look like Trayvon.


SCHULTZ: That, of course, your reaction from one of the Republican
candidates, Newt Gingrich.


in a sense is disgraceful. It`s not a question of who that young man
looked like. At some point, we ought to talk about being Americans, we
have to talk about when things go wrong to an American, it is sad for all
Americans. And trying to turn it into a racial issue is fundamentally
wrong. I really find it appalling.


SCHULTZ: Ta-Nehisi, what do you think?

COATES: Well, I think the implicit message that Newt Gingrich is
sending is that because it`s a racial issue, it`s not for all Americans. I
don`t understand that at all. I think all Americans should be concerned
about racial issues. What the president said is obviously true. If you
listen to the tape, George Zimmerman cited him as a young African-American.
If you look at the reporting that`s been done going up to -- over the past
three week, there`s been other incidents with George Zimmerman has been

SCHULTZ: Calling the cops 46 times since January of 2011.


SCHULTZ: What about Gingrich? What about the president?

DYSON: He`s outrageous.

The president I think was right on target. He acknowledged that this
was a problem. He said we should all do some soul searching.

But then he took a chance to inform the nation, to use this as a
teachable moment to say, look, I as an African-American man would have --
if I had a son, he would like him. And therefore, what that means is that
I`m the president of the United States of America, my son could look just
like him, be wearing a hood, not a thief, not a thug, not a criminal, and
could be subject to the arbitrary exercise of lethal force, like George
Zimmerman exercised against Trayvon Martin.

It`s outrageous what Newt Gingrich said.

SCHULTZ: And I want to take a look at this picture of the Miami
Heat. When was the last time we have seen athletes at this level make a
statement like this. What are they saying, Michael?

DYSON: They are saying we identify with him. That could have been
us. That could have been my son, LeBron is saying. Dwyane Wade is saying
that could have been my son or it could have been me. I could have been
walking on the wrong side of the street, at a certain time in a gated
community, that I own a house in where I own a late model car and I could
have been subjected to the same thing.

SCHULTZ: Ta-Nehisi, how do we move forward from this? How do we
just push this forward?

COATES: Well, that depends on what comes out. I think we keep
following the story. I think we try to keep our heads and our shoulders.
I think we don`t let ourselves get too distracted by people that are trying
to score a few political points, looking for something to say when there`s
nothing to be said.

SCHULTZ: Ta-Nehisi Coates, Michael Eric Dyson, great to have you
with us tonight. Thanks so much.

Remember to answer the question there at the bottom of the screen
tonight. We want to have your share your thoughts with us on Twitter

Tens of thousands rallied in Sanford, Florida, last night, and
officials are responding to the pressure. Reverend Al Sharpton led the
demonstration, he will join me next.

And later, the right wing`s radical agenda on women`s health care is
taking its toll. Top officials at the Susan G. Komen resign. Donations
are down. The woman who predicted this was all going to happen, Terry
O`Neill, will join me.

Stay with us. You`re watching THE ED SHOW on MSNBC.


SCHULTZ: Coming up: Reverend Al Sharpton joins me with his take on
last night`s rally for Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida.

Later, you won`t believe it. It`s in Wisconsin, a similar law led to
the same tragic ending. We`ll bring you the story of Bo Morrison.

And Rick Santorum says there`s no difference between Obama and Mitt
Romney so Republicans might as well reelect the president. Hey, Rick, come
on over to the good side. Richard Wolffe weighs on those comments in later
in this hour.

Share your thoughts on Twitter using the #EdShow. We`re right back.




CROWD: No peace!

SHARPTON: No justice!

CROWD: No peace!

SHARPTON: No justice!

CROWD: No peace.

SHARPTON: We are tired of going to jail for nothing and others going
home for something. We love our children, like everybody else love their
children. We may not have as much as others have, but we have each other,
and we`re not going to let nobody take our children from us.


SCHULTZ: MSNBC`s Reverend Al Sharpton led an emotional rally in
Sanford, Florida, last night. Tens of thousands of people showed up to
fight for justice for Trayvon Martin. It was an emotional crowd, an angry
crowd, but a crowd committed to a peaceful demonstration.

For more, I`m joined tonight by Reverend Al Sharpton.

And, Reverend, first of all, our condolences to you and your family
for if loss of your mother.

SHARPTON: Thank you.

SCHULTZ: And I think it speaks volumes about you as a person to put
yourself ahead of your personal anguish for the loss of your mother, to do
what you did yesterday, to go down to Florida. You really put people
first. And it was a really honorable and admirable thing you did.

SHARPTON: Well, thank you.

I mean, basically, I`m not going to say it doesn`t hit me hard. But
I think that`s what my mother would have expected of me. She said in the
race, she`s the one brought to Operation Breadbasket when I was 12 years
old and believing and fighting for justice. I think it would have been not
in her wishes if I didn`t.

The other thing, Ed, is that Tuesday I`m going back on Sunday to
Sanford and then Tuesday, I`m flying over to Alabama to preach her funeral
and do her burial.

And I`m burying my 87-year-old mother, which is painful. But I
thought about how the mother of Trayvon had to bury her son. It is at
least natural for a son and my siblings to bury their mother. It`s
unnatural for mother and father to bury their son.

So, the pain I feel is nowhere near the pain I believe they feel. I
wanted to be there.

SCHULTZ: Reverend, what did you see last night?

SHARPTON: I saw tens of thousands of people gathered in the town it
happened in a very peaceful way. Angry, but not one incident -- 30,000
people, not one incident saying all we want is justice. All we want is
fairness. Play the game by one set of rules. Why wasn`t this guy

SCHULTZ: You talked about violence. Why did do you that?

SHARPTON: Because I wanted people to understand that we are not
violent and that we`re not disruptive. In fact, that underscores why they
should not have suspected that Trayvon was violent, because if these amount
of people could come in this town, in the town he was killed and not be
violent, why would you look at him and say he looked suspicious.

Because to some people, 30,000 people gathered, there`s going to be a
problem. There wasn`t a problem, just like there wasn`t a problem with
that one young man that afternoon.

SCHULTZ: Reverend, you have fought racial stereotypes your whole
career. What do you make of what Geraldo Rivera said about the hoodie
playing a part in the death of Trayvon Martin?

SHARPTON: Well, first of all, I think that people have the right to
wear whatever they want to wear. Let`s start there. I think that`s what
the hoodie demonstrations are saying.

But if -- Geraldo is a lawyer, let`s get down to the weeds of what
he`s saying. In the statement that Mr. Zimmerman made on a 911 tape, he
didn`t say he was threatened by the hoodie. He said he was a suspicious
guy. He`s standing around. He`s looking at apartments.

Geraldo has a sign to fear to the hoodie. Others have a sign to fear
to the hoodie. That`s not what Zimmerman said.

Zimmerman said the person was that he never mentioned the hoodie
until he was asked for a description. So, I think they`re trying to divert
it away from what he said by saying what they are saying. And then to say
that we should tell our kids don`t wear hoodies. So, what are we going to
tell then, don`t wear black shoes or don`t wear white socks, or whatever it

You cannot adjust to other people`s bias.

SCHULTZ: How important was it for the president to say what he said

SHARPTON: I think it was very important. I think it sets a tone.
You have people all over this country that are marching and that are
concerned, in a multiracial diverse way.

The president should have addressed it as he has every time we`ve
seen a national concern. It seems that to politicize it, I think what is
stunning to me about Newt Gingrich`s statement is he had nothing to say
about this until he came out to attack the president. Whatever happened to
my sympathy goes to the family like a couple of weeks ago when we made this
story national? What about let`s have due process and see where the facts
lie. But all of a sudden, when the president of the United States says let
us go through this and find out what happened, he did not prejudge it --
all of a sudden, it becomes politicized.

And I think that this is absolutely showing the brazen opportunism
politically of some of Republican candidates.

SCHULTZ: Last night at 9:15, it was announced, and this is why the
rally was going on, the state attorney stepped aside.

Yesterday at noon, after a meeting, the police chief stepped side.
Are the wheels of justice in motion? Are you confident there will be an

SHARPTON: I think that we`re going to win ultimately because I think
the people are demanding that in this country, because none of these wheels
started turning until people started doing what we`re doing.

SCHULTZ: And I have to ask you about the laws that are on the book
on a number of different states around this country. Is this wake up call
for leaders in communities all across America to examine these castle laws?
We`re going to carry a story in a moment about another tragic situation
that took place in Wisconsin.

SHARPTON: Definitely. These laws are wrong. These laws can lead to
trying to justify some very criminal and some very unsavory acts. Even
though I don`t think this applies in this case. The fact that he could use
this law and misuse this law means they should not be on the books.

SCHULTZ: Reverend Al Sharpton, thanks for being here tonight.
Thanks so much.

SHARPTON: Thank you, Ed.

SCHULTZ: Shoot first, ask questions later. It`s self-defense,
Wisconsin-style. And another young man is dead because of it. John
Nichols and State Senator Chris Larsen will join me.

Stay with us.


SCHUTLZ: It`s another senseless tragedy, this one brought do you by
law in Wisconsin. A young man shot dead all in the name of self-defense.
Twenty-year-old Bo Morrison was at an underage drinking party in Slinger,
Wisconsin, earlier this month and reportedly fled the scene when law
enforcement arrived to break it up.

Morrison hid from the police on an enclosed porch at a nearby home.
The homeowner heard a noise, armed himself, encountered Morrison in
darkened room and killed him with a single gunshot from a .45 caliber

The homeowner`s wife then called 911.


WIFE: I need an ambulance and the cops to be called. Someone was in
our house.

OPERATOR: Are they still there?

WIFE: My husband fired shots. They were in my back hall. My
husband fired shots.

OPERATOR: He did? Did he hit anybody?

WIFE: Yes.

OPERATOR: Is it a male or female that he hit?

WIFE: Male or female?


WIFE: Male.

OPERATOR: Male, where did he hit him?

WIFE: Where did you hit him?

HUSBAND: In the chest.

OPERATOR: Is he still breathing.

WIFE: Is he breathing? Breathing?

HUSBAND: I don`t know.



SCHULTZ: The homeowner was not charged in the death of Bo Morrison
because of Wisconsin`s Castle Doctrine law.

Here`s the county district attorney.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I believe under the circumstances that the
homeowner acted lawfully in self-defense.


SCHULTZ: The law presumes home homeowners are justified when using
deadly force against intruders. But Bo Morrison was not an intruder. He
was just a kid that made a wrong move and that mistake cost Bo Morrison his

Let`s turn to Wisconsin`s state senator Chris Larson and John Nichols,
Washington correspondent of the "Nation" magazine and author of the book,

Gentlemen, good to have you us tonight.

Senator, the castle doctrine, had it not been passed into law in Wisconsin,
would the man that killed beau Morrison be in jail tonight?

CHRIS LARSON (D), STATE SENATOR, WISCONSIN: Well, there would at least be
an investigation. Unfortunately, every murder is tragedy. But what makes
the murder of Bo Morrison even more tragic is there going to be no
investigation. There is going to be no justice for his family, for his
friends, for are seeking it because this law was signed in the last year.

I think that if this was not signed, there would be an investigation and
justice brought. And it`s unfortunate that we have this in Wisconsin as we
have Trayvon Martin in Florida. It`s unfortunate that these laws that you
said, shoot first and ask questions later. But it`s more ask questions
never that these laws are on the books in a civilized society. We can do
better than this.

SCHULTZ: And also, senator, I want to know. How strict is this law or
should I say how loosely is it written in Wisconsin to give somebody the
liberty to use a firearm?

LARSON: We had a long debate on this earlier in the last year. And what`s
really frustrating is we try to point out how insane this law was. And I
got to a point where I was using humor saying, you know, the worst game of
hide and go seek ever, where all it takes if somebody is in your home and
you decide, you feel threatened, that somebody is in your home and you kill
them, there`s no investigation.

The only amendment that we got, granted that this was only three amendments
we got by Democrats the entire year and this one of them. Give the
exemption, that is there is law enforcement officer in your home, then you
are not exempt. If an EMT or firefighter is breaking in to try and save
your life, you are exempt from investigation if you feel threatened and
kill them while they are in your property.

SCHULTZ: What`s the reaction of Wisconsinites for this, senator?

LARSON: People are upset. People especially in slinger and in Washington
county are upset by this. There`s going to be a demonstration this Sunday,
I just found out about. There`s also an ongoing petition in order to try
and overturn this so called "Castle Doctrine Law."

People are upset and rightfully so, especially with what`s been happening
in Florida. This mirrors that exactly in our home state.

SCHULTZ: John Nichols, Alec and the NRA are big boosters of the "Stand
Your Ground" law in Florida. The groups are pushing it in a number of
different states, actually nationwide. What can you tell us?

huge connection between the Florida law and the laws that have been put on
the books in other states, including Wisconsin. When the Florida law was
passed back in 2005, the NRA lobbyists then went to meet with the American
legislative exchange council to make the Florida law a model for other
states. That model was used in Wisconsin. And it happens that the
assembly majority leader in Wisconsin, Scott Soother, sits on the Alec task
force that promoted this law nationwide. He also was a primary advocate
for this law in Wisconsin. So, we see a direct connection from Florida to
Wisconsin. We also saw a similar debate.

SCHULTZ: Well John, I was told by the former Florida lawmaker last night.
There was really not one incident that could be cited that pushed the
lawmakers to make this law a law in Florida. Is that the case in Wisconsin
as well? That there was really no outcry from the public to get the
"castle doctrine" law pass. It all came from Alec and the NRA, is that

NICHOLS: That is absolutely true. In fact, before this law was passed in
Wisconsin, district attorneys, sheriffs, newspaper editorial boards and
responsible legislatures said this law is a bad idea. In fact, on the
floor of the legislature there were legislatures who begged Republicans to
reconsider and consider amendments that would at least require some
reasonable sense of threat. They were shot down at every turn.

The fact of the matter is it`s a very, very similar situation as regards to
how the law was developed and how it was passed. And again, you see that
connection with the NRA and the American legislative exchange council.

SCHULTZ: That`s the thing that`s troubles to me. This isn`t coming from
the people. This is coming from the corporations. This is coming from a
group that claims it has a lock on the market when it comes to knowing what
the gun laws should be in this country. And what we`re seeing now is dead
people around this country when people take the liberty in the license and
have the cover of the law to end up being in situations like this.

Is there going to be outrage in Wisconsin as there is in Florida, John?

NICHOLS: There is outrage. In fact today, state representative Chris
Taylor, an attorney who serves in the assembly, referred to the law as
barbaric and said that she will introduce legislation to overturn it. So,
there`s not just outrage, there`s action in Wisconsin.

SCHULTZ: All right. Wisconsin state senator Chris Larson and John
Nichols, Washington correspondent of the "Nation", thanks for your time

NICHOLS: Thank you.

LARSON: Thank you, Ed.

SCHULTZ: Rick Santorum visits a shooting range. A supporters makes a
crack about the president and now the secret service is involved.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pretend it`s Obama.


SCHULTZ: MSNBC political analyst, Richard Wolffe, on the latest example of
anti-Obama ugliness.

The latest stunt in the Republican war on women. Live ultrasounds in the
Idaho state house. Now, Terry O`Neil and professor Caroline Helman, are
here with the latest.

In quarterback Tim Tebow hasn`t even taken a knee as a New York jet and
there`s already controversy.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That injury comes back Denver will find itself without
a quarterback, and in my opinion, it would serve them right. Terry.





years from now, my prediction is that Susan G. Komen foundation will not
exist or it be reduced to say between 10 and 25 percent of its current


SCHULTZ: That was it have president of the national organization for women
Terry O` Neil back in February predicting the Komen`s decision to pull
funding from Planned Parenthood would lead to the organizations demise.
Komen eventually reversed course but the damage was already done. Five
high ranking Komen official executives have since resigned and the chairman
of the board has stepped down. Donations are down in cities all across
America. And that`s not all.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: The biggest affiliate New York City just
cancelled its annual gala, the cause that spokesman says "we are not
certain about our ability to fund raise in near future." (INAUDIBLE) whose
family has raised and donated about $250,000 says she`s closed her

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I stopped giving to Komen because it no longer
represents who I thought Komen was.


SCHULTZ: Joining me tonight Terry O` Neill, president of the national
organization for women.

Terry, this is not good news because this organization did a lot of good
things as well. But because they got into the political arena, made some
bad choices, followed the wrong people, it basically turned off a lot of
women and now look where they are.

O`NEILL: It did, Ed. And there`s going to be some time before a new
organization that actually is nonpolitical comes forward to take up the
work that Susan G. Komen foundation used to do.

SCHULTZ: They did great work, did they not?

O`NEILL: They did and they were nonpolitical. They were in an
organization dedicated to finding a cure for breast cancer, and it`s a
wonderful thing to do and they made it fun. And they had the pink ribbons.
And that was always a wonderful thing to do.

The problem is, and I think this is why they are continuing to bleed some
of their best executives is they have not renounced their turn to being a
political advocacy organization specifically, a political advocacy
organization with a vendetta against Planned Parenthood.

This is not so much anti-abortion. Listen. When you go after Planned
Parenthood, you`re going after low income`s women`s access to a whole range
of reproductive health care, services. So, as long as they are, in fact,
moving down that road, they will continue to lose donors.

And in the meantime, people who want to donate to breast cancer charities,
real breast cancer charities will have to spend some time trying to figure
out where to put their money.

SCHULTZ: And how is this organization, if they are, going to recover?

O`NEILL: Nancy Brinker needs to resign. People just don`t have faith in
her ability or willingness to stop using the Komen foundation as a
political advocacy tool. So, they need to replace all of their top people.
And they need make credible, credible commitments that they will act like a
nonpartisan charity that is interested in finding a cure for breast cancer
without regard to any of the political winds that might blow.

SCHULTZ: Well, the war on women continues on a state level and every
state. Let`s go to the state of Iowa or Idaho, should I say. A live
ultrasound demonstration took place this week at the Idaho state house.
Here is what was said.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is it scary when you get an ultrasound, intimidating?


SCHULTZ: Idaho`s ultrasound bill made no exceptions for rape or incest.
It`s since been put on hold. Is this another sign the radical right wing
agenda is losing steam?

O`NEILL: I think it is losing steam. When it resorts to tactics like
that, you got to figure that they have a sense that they have hit a wall.
They really -- these ultrasound bills are completely out of step with what
people want. And honestly, that awful display is completely irrelevant to
whether it`s OK for the state to pass a law requiring a non-consensual,
medically not appropriate, extremely costly procedure before women can
exercise her right to have an abortion. It`s irrelevant what one woman

SCHULTZ: Terry O`Neill, thank you for joining us tonight on "the Ed Show."
Thanks so much.

O`NEILL: Thank you, Ed.

SCHULTZ: Joe Namath is throwing long bombs am Tim Tebow and Pat Robertson
is taking Peyton Manning out at the knees. The latest on the Tim Tebow
issue coming to the promise land, next.


SCHULTZ: Up next, not everyone is excited about Tim Tebow`s trade to the
New York Jets. Former quarterback Joe Namath and televangelist Pat
Robertson. Robertson is speaking out.

And in the big finish tonight, Rick Santorum says President Obama would be
a better choice than Mitt Romney. I bet he wishes he had an etch a sketch
for that one.

Don`t forget to tweet using #edshow. We`re right back.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back "the Ed Show." Not everyone is thrilled that Tim
Tebow is headed to the big apple. Former Jets great Joe Namath and
televangelist and Robertson are both trashing the deal between the broncos
and the jets. And one of them is out for blood. Namath called into a
local ESPN radio show and blasted the jets decision to scoop on Tebow from
Denver. Broadway Joe called it a publicity stunt.


situation. I can`t agree with it. I just think it`s a publicity stunt. I
really think it`s wrong.

I don`t think they know what they`re going over there right now. You know
the owner of the team says they`re not interested in Peyton Manning, and
that`s good, but meantime they end up being interested in Tebow? Come on,
this is crazy.


SCHULTZ: If you think Joe Willie is mad about the deal, what until you
hear what televangelist Pat Robertson said. the former Republican
presidential candidate took criticism of the deal to a biblical level.
Roberson implied it would serve Denver right if Peyton Manning got injured.


Denver broncos treated him shabbily. He won seven games. He brought them
into the playoffs for heaven`s sake. OK. So, Peyton Manning was a
tremendous MVP quarterback, but he`s been injured. If that injury comes
back, Denver will find itself without quarterback and in my opinion, it
would serve them right. Terry.



SCHULTZ: Wow. Hoping for violence. That`s not very Christian, is it?
Robertson should stick to pushing Obama conspiracy theory and leave the
football prognostication business to the experts.

Next, Rick Santorum is in damage control mode after saying President Obama
would be a better choice than Mitt Romney. Richard Wolf joins us next to
tell us if Santorum can recover.


SCHULTZ: Ed show survey tonight, I asked you was the shooting of Trayvon
Martin as Sean Hannity says just a horrible accident. Four percent of you
said, yes. Ninety six percent of you, said no.

Coming up, Rick Santorum hands out a big endorsement but it`s not making
many Republicans happy. Richard Wolffe on that and more, next.

Don`t forget to listen to me on Sirius radio XM channel 127, Monday through
Friday, noon to 3:00 p.m. And follow me on twitter @edshow. And like "the
Ed Show" on facebook. We`re coming right back.


SCHULTZ: And in the "big finish" tonight, Rick Santorum is trying to
recover from a big mistake. At an event in Texas he suggested President
Obama would be a better choice than Mitt Romney.


RICK SANTORUM (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You win by giving people the
choice. You win by giving people the opportunity to see a different vision
for our country not someone who will just be a little different than the
person in there. If you will get a little different, we are not stable
that we have. Instead of taking a risk of what maybe the etch a sketch
candidate for the future.


SCHULTZ: Mitt Romney responded right away. And during an appearance on
the (INAUDIBLE) radio show.


MITT ROMNEY (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I`m really disappointed in Rick`s
statement. Obviously, he endorsed me three years ago when I was running
for president. He had no problem call a real conservative, a solid
conservative. Now he`s in the race, it`s become all about rick. And it`s
not right for the party, that`s not right for the country. This kind of
rhetoric suggesting that we`re better off with Barack Obama than one of the
Republican nominees, I think it`s almost a mistake on his part.


SCHULTZ: Tonight, Rick Santorum also seemed to realize his comment was an
enormous mistake. He tried to mop things up. Do some damage control
releasing this statement.

"I would never vote for Barack Obama over any Republican and to suggest
otherwise is preposterous. I was simply making a point that there`s a huge
enthusiasm gap around Mitt Romney and it`s easy to see why. Romney has
sided with the Obama health care mandate, cap and trade and wall street

For more on all of this let`s turn to MSNBC political analyst, Richard

Richard, who is the biggest loser this week? The king of the etch a sketch
or the guy supporting President Obama?

RICHARD WOLFFE, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: That`s a tough one, Ed, really.
That compete the race to the bottom.


WOLFFE: Look. Rick Santorum made a mistake because obviously, there`s no
one more evil for Republicans than President Obama. But actually, his
bigger mistake was to tell the truth. Because the build up to all of that
rift was that Mitt Romney was out there saying he`s going to run as a
conservative rather than saying I`m a conservative and I`m running for

You know, he had a point, Rick Santorum. This is a man, Mitt Romney, who
is on tape saying I`m a progressive. And now, he is going to run as a
conservative. The inconsistency is obvious. If only Rick Santorum could
get out of the mode of being a FOX News pundit and actually run for
president as a presidential nominee, at least in style, then he might not
have got himself in this kind of trouble.

SCHULTZ: Secret service investigating something that happened at Santorum
vent today. It apparently was at a shooting range when one of his
supporters said this.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pretend it`s Obama.



SCHULTZ: Santorum did not hear the comment. But he responded to it later.


SANTORUM: It`s absurd. We`re not pretending it`s anybody. We`re shooting
pistol. It`s a very horrible remark and I`m glad I didn`t hear it.


SCHULTZ: And he distant himself from it. But what does it say about this
incident and about Santorum supporters and the people hanging around
Republican candidates?

WOLFFE: Well, I think what happened towards the end of the John McCain
campaign in 2008, the kind of comments though coming out of the crowd then.
We`ll see the same thing again. Brace yourself. This kind of ugliness
will come out. It will be more vocal.

But honestly, what kind of candidate goes and has an event at a shooting
range. I mean, you`re asking for trouble.

SCHULTZ: No doubt. Newt Gingrich is playing the Muslim card. Here is
what he had to say about the president.


NEWT GINGRICH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think it is very bizarre that
he is desperately concerned to apologize to Muslim religious fanatics while
killing young Americans and exactly the same period where he`s waging war
against the catholic church.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Does it bother you or concern you that some
people do think that he`s a Muslim?

GINGRICH: It should bother the president. Why do I? Why does the
president behave in the way that people would think that? I mean, you have
guilt to ask why, why do they believe that? It`s not cause they`re stupid.
It`s cause they watch the kind of things I just described to you.


SCHULTZ: Richard, is it the president`s fault people think he`s a Muslim?

WOLFFE: You know, the only thing that`s bizarre is that Newt Gingrich
thinks that he isn`t stupid. I mean, come on. Here is a guy who ordered
the assassination of Osama bin Laden and he is portraying - Newt Gingrich
is portraying this president as someone that apologizes to radical Muslims,
the Jihadist. It`s nonsense.

Why do people think this president is Muslim? Well, it may be because of
his name actually. It may be because there are people out there who have
been fanning this propaganda, this covert (INAUDIBLE) attempts to undermine
this president from the very beginning when he was a candidate and it had
been extremely hard for people that want to believe the worst to assume
that this president is hiding something.

But I just point our as Colin Powell said in the last election, "there`s
nothing wrong with being a Muslim American. They are Americans first."
Just happens this president isn`t Muslim.

SCHULTZ: Looking ahead, to the Louisiana primary tomorrow, Santorum is
leading in the polls. If he wins, really don`t change anything. But it
just strokes his ego. That`s so hasty. What do you think?

WOLFFE: Better to win than to lose. But it doesn`t change the media
narrative there and the Republican establishment saying this is all about
Rick now. He`s not team player. The pressure is on him. You know, he can
hang on for a while but the pressure is on him to get out.

SCHULTZ: Richard Wolffe, great to have you with us on the Friday night.
Thanks so much.

WOLFFE: Thanks, Ed.

SCHULTZ: That`s "the Ed Show." I`m Ed Schultz. The " Rachel Maddow Show"
starts right now.

Good evening, Rachel. I`m getting out 30 seconds earlier tonight. That
ought to tell you how bad I want to get to the weekend.


SCHULTZ: I`m not, but I`m in serious preparation and that`s just as
important, my friend.

MADDOW: I`ve been tying flies and untying them like ready to get out on
the river. So, I know the feeling, Ed. Have a great weekend.

SCHULTZ: I`ll be hooking up my spoons this weekend. How is that?

MADDOW: Very good. Thanks, Ed. Have a good weekend.

SCHULTZ: Thank you , too.


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