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Guests: Luis Gutierrez, James Peterson, Howard Dean, Trymaine Lee, Michael Medved, Kelly Goff, Barb Byrum

ED SCHULTZ, HOST: Good evening, Americans. And welcome to THE ED
SHOW, live from Los Angeles.

President Obama has Mitt Romney mumbling, stumbling, and fumbling with
his new immigration policy. Tonight, I`ll show you how Hispanic-Americans
are responding.

This is THE ED SHOW -- let`s get to work.


BOB SCHIEFFER, CBS NEWS: Would you repeal this order if you became

MITT ROMNEY (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, let`s step back and
look at the issue.

SCHULTZ (voice-over): Four days after the president`s immigration
announcement, Mitt Romney is still tongue tied and Democrats are hammering
him for it.

ROMNEY: A lot of people come here or come across or walk across the
border that have no skills, no education, and are looking for a free meal.

SCHULTZ: Tonight, Congressman Luis Gutierrez on the Republican
nightmare over the DREAM Act.

publicly accused Koch of being part of a, quote, "corporate takeover of our
democracy," whatever that means.

SCHULTZ: Mitch McConnell defends the Koch brothers before their
retreat. Former Governor Howard Dean explains what the corporate takeover
of America is all about.

And in Michigan, Republicans banned a lawmaker from speaking after she
used the word vagina.

STATE REP. LISA BROWN (D), MICHIGAN: I`m flattered that you`re all so
interested in my vagina, but no means no.

SCHULTZ: Tonight, thousands are fighting back with a special
performance of "The Vagina Monologues" and we will be there live.


SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight, folks. Thanks for
watching. Great to be with you.

Immigration continues to be the disaster issue for the Republican
Party. The president`s new policy on young, undocumented immigrants is
making things even worse for the GOP. They don`t know which way to turn.
Watch how Mitt Romney and how many times Mitt Romney avoided a direct
question about the policy on CBS yesterday.


SCHIEFFER: Would you repeal this order if you became president?

ROMNEY: Well, let`s step back and look at the issue. First of all,
we have to secure the border. I don`t know why he feels stopgap measures
are the right way to go.

SCHIEFFER: What would you do about it?

ROMNEY: Well, as you know, he was president for the last three and a
half years, did nothing on immigration.

SCHIEFFER: But would you repeal this?

ROMNEY: Well, it would be overtaken by events, if you will, by virtue
of my putting in place a long-term solution.

SCHIEFFER: Would you leave this in place while you worked out a long-
term solution or would just repeal it?

ROMNEY: We`ll look at that -- we`ll look at that setting as we reach


SCHULTZ: This is a far cry from the direct answer Mitt Romney gave
about the DREAM Act on the campaign trail.


ROMNEY: The question is, if I were elected and Congress were to pass
the DREAM Act, would I veto it? And the answer is yes.


SCHULTZ: This underscores the absolute absence of a core of Mitt
Romney. Who is this man who wants to be president?

He refuses to take a stand on the tough issues time and time again.
Romney is trying to walk, I guess you can say, a fine line between the
majority of Americans and the lunatic fringe of the Republican Party.

Now, it must be pointed out, some of the most outspoken voices from
the right wing have come out in support of the president`s new policy.


BILL O`REILLY, FOX NEWS: How can you blame kids when they`re dragged
to the USA from wherever? If you`re a fair person, you can`t.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think it`s a sensible policy. It would be much
better if that were the law of the land.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Romney has a hole to dig out, because if he gets
under, say, the 31 percent of Hispanic voters that McCain got, he`s going
to lose.


SCHULTZ: So, here we are. Romney has to serve two masters. He has
to please a general election audience, but he also has to, I guess you say,
bow to the Tea Party leaders in Congress like Steve King, who said this
today, "I`m prepared to bring a suit and seek a court order to stop
implementation of this policy."

Loose cannon Congressman Allen West also put Romney in a very pretty
tight spot. West said this morning that Romney`s reaction to the policy
was this, "I feel a little dejected because I think it goes back to what my
mother taught me -- a man must stand for something or else he`ll fall for

Now, the Republicans also have to deal with these Tea Partiers going
on television and making the situation even worse.


REP. BLAKE FARENTHOLD (R), TEXAS: You`re also talking about people
who came over 16 years of age. At that point, you had a say in it. That
looks more like amnesty.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you think a 16-year-old, his parents are
coming across the border, has a say in whether or not they`re going to stay
behind in their country?

FARENTHOLD: They`re certainly in a position to have a conversation
with their parents about it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A 16-year-old is in a position to have a
conversation with their parents about coming across the border, you think?

FARENTHOLLD: Believe me, my 16-year-old daughter gives me input on
everything the family wants to do.


SCHULTZ: Of course, FOX News isn`t helping matters for Mitt Romney
with all the falsehoods like this.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A major wave, a major spike of illegal immigration
in the short term, with people thinking, hey, here`s my window of
opportunity to get my kids a place to stay in America.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right. So now is the time to go running over
the border.


SCHULTZ: There will not be any new wave of immigrants because of this
policy. That`s what we all need to know. The policy only applies to young
people who have been here for at least five years. Pretty reasonable
stuff, isn`t it?

It also is not an executive order. It`s known as a deferred action
from the Department of Homeland Security. Now, this is a power granted to
the Department of Homeland Security under George W. Bush in 2003 and I
think Bush knows a thing or two about radical right wingers fighting
against immigration reform. His steps toward immigration reform were
stomped out by Republicans, his own party, in 2007.

Republicans, no doubt, are the party of obstruction when it comes to
immigration. They love cheap labor. They don`t mind these folks coming
across the border. Now they act like oh, this is the Democrats. This is
their problem.

Listen to Senator Marco Rubio of Florida in an interview with ABC


SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R), FLORIDA: The White House never called us about
this. No one reached out and told us this was on its way. I mean, if they
were serious about a real solution to this problem and not politicizing it,
then why don`t you reach out to people.


SCHULTZ: Answer this, why does the White House have to reach out and
go over to Marco Rubio? Because he`s been in the Senate for less than two

Rubio said he`s working with Democrats on his own immigration reform
legislation. But he conveniently does not name any of the Democrats. I
haven`t seen any Democrats going on TV and saying, you know, doggone, I was
really working with Marco Rubio on this. I can`t believe the president did

They also have not offered up any solutions.

Meanwhile, 2011 -- here are the numbers -- saw a record breaking
amount of enforced deportations. How come Bush didn`t do this? Nearly

Now, let`s talk about border security. The size of the U.S. border
patrol is more than twice the size it was in 2004.

So in that sound clip you saw of Mitt Romney moments ago talking about
border control, that`s exactly what President Obama has done. He has
resourced the border. The increased enforcement and resources are all part
of immigration reform. You`ve got to support the border first.

So the president has done that. And so has the president`s recent

Here come the polls. They show very positive results. A new Gallup
poll shows opposition to immigration at an all-time low at 35 percent. It
was at 50 percent three years ago.

Now, 49 percent of Latino voters surveyed after the president`s
announcement said it makes them more enthusiastic to vote for him.

The president`s latest immigration strategy is good politics. It`s
also damn good policy. It does something for people. Isn`t that what the
government is supposed to do?

Republicans are having a hard time dealing with all of this. And they
should because they have sat on the sideline and stopped the president on
everything he`s ever wanted to do.

Get this -- the party of obstruction is now telling the Democrats,
you`re the problem we don`t have immigration reform in this country.
President Obama has dealt with it. He has resourced the border.

We don`t hear a lot about gosh, people are just pouring over the
border from Mexico anymore. That conversation has been diminished quite a
bit. That`s because when it comes to resources and technology and people,
the president has answered the call.

And now they`re coming back saying, gosh, he really hasn`t done

Get your cell phones out. I want to know what you think.

Tonight`s question: Will Mitt Romney ever take a firm stance on
anything? Tex A for yes, text B for no, to 622639. You can go to our blog
at We`ll bring you the results later on on the show.

Joining me tonight is Congressman Luis Gutierrez of Illinois, who has
been on the forefront of immigration in this country and issues. He knows
more about it than anybody in Congress.

Congressman, good to have you with us tonight. I appreciate your time
on this issue.

REP. LUIS GUTIERREZ (D), ILLINOIS: Thank you, Ed. Thank you.

SCHULTZ: What -- is the president doing the right thing? Is this the
right move? I don`t care if it`s a political move because it`s going to
help people, and that`s what this is all about, and it`s forwarding the
conversation of the country.

What do you make of the president`s move?

GUTIERREZ: Look, I mean, when I hear Romney say that we haven`t done
anything, what about December 2010? The House of Representatives passed
the DREAM Act, 216-198, 208 Democrats and eight Republicans. The very next
week in the Senate, what was it? It was 55 votes for cloture, 51
Democrats, four Republicans.

There were Republican senators who had been co sponsors of the DREAM
Act that wouldn`t vote for cloture. And then they say we haven`t been

Look, what the president`s action is a reflection of the will of the
nation, of both House of Representatives and the Senate. And he has freed
800,000 people, his promise, and the promise that I made, along with
Senator McCain, and Kennedy and Congressman Flake who is now running for
the Senate in the state of Arizona.

We introduced bipartisan, bicameral legislation for comprehensive
immigration in 2004, and what did we say? We wanted to bring people out of
the shadows.

Well, you know, I guess if I said I wanted to increase the minimum
wage by a buck, and I couldn`t get it through the Congress, and the
president did it, you`d think I would say thank you, Mr. President, for
accomplishing that public policy.

If I said I wanted to do something and I couldn`t get it through the
Congress, you might think.

So, all the president has done is do through executive action exactly
what Marco Rubio`s legislation would have done: give them a work visa which
is renewable. Is it permanent? Absolutely, but this is a solution to a

SCHULTZ: I think this is an important point because Rubio is saying
nobody talked to him. First of all, I don`t know any Democrats who are
working hand in hand with him on this anyway.

It`s an election year. No legislation is going to get passed right
now. So it`s a political move. So what? It helps people.

But the point I want to make with you is -- where does this leave the
president if he gets re-elected? If the president gets reelected, it would
seem to me that this is going to be the issue. What about that?

GUTIERREZ: Ed, let me say the following. You saw that poll, 49
percent Latinos more likely looking at this, more likely to vote for him --
look, Ed, wait for two months down the road when tens of thousands of
people make lines, young people, smart people, Americans, when people start
talking to them and seeing the people in the lines, and you see them
getting their work permits and their work documents, wait until that.

This is for the Latino community a real civil rights issue of bringing
people fairness and making the Justice Department and our system respect
their family values. Just wait until those kids line up --


GUTIERREZ: -- and you see the happiness.

America is a country that loves its children. And these are children.
This argument that 16-year-olds make decisions, let me tell you, that`s the
extreme point. Most of the kids I met today, Ed, were 9 months old and 2
years old and 3 and 4 years old when they came to the country.

But even if they were 15 years and 364 days, I was that age. If my
dad said we were going, that`s where we were going, and you followed your
parents` lead.

They didn`t have a choice in this matter. They`re here in the
country, we should embrace them.

SCHULTZ: Congressman, great to have you with us tonight. Luis
Gutierrez from Chicago -- great to have you on the program tonight.

GUTIERREZ: Thank you so much.

SCHULTZ: Thank you.

Now, let`s turn to Joan, editor at large at

Well, Joan, what do you say to the Republicans who say that the
Democrats, they have the majority -- you know, after Al Franken came in
after the long battle, you know, and they got 60 votes, how come the
Democrats didn`t do it then? What do you think?

JOAN WALSH, SALON.COM: I was so glad to hear Representative Gutierrez
lay it out like that with the number of votes passing, that it did pass the
House, Ed, and that it should have passed the Senate if we were abiding by
real democratic rules, but it couldn`t get cloture, and it was abandoned by
some Republicans who had traditionally supported it.

So, you know, it`s very important to remember that the president acted
because he couldn`t get action from the Republicans in Congress.

SCHULTZ: Exactly.

WALSH: It`s so hypocritical.

SCHULTZ: This is Harry Reid on the Senate floor today. He made that
point. Here it is.


SEN. HARRY REID (D-NV), MAJORITY LEADER: I was stunned listening to
the Republican nominee for president say why doesn`t Congress do this? Mr.
President, we tried. We can`t get Republican votes.


SCHULTZ: So, when you look at what the Democrats had, they had the
super majority, which from July 7th, 2009, until February 4th, 2010. Let`s
see, there was the auto loan going on. There was the economy that had to
be rebuilt. There was a stimulus package going on. There was a war that
was winding down in Iraq.

Who in the country was talking about immigration reform at the time,
and now the Republicans are coming out and saying, well, gosh, you
Democrats are the problem here? They don`t have a leg to stand on, do

WALSH: No. I mean, Senator Reid was absolutely right. And, you
know, the other thing that`s been very interesting to watch now, Ed, is
Mitt Romney is in a kind of straitjacket. When you have Marco Rubio going
out and saying, you know, maybe this really isn`t unfair to send these kids
back when they had no choice in coming, and they have been great students.

I mean, we have invested so much in a lot of these kids as Americans,
you know? To keep them here is great for the country. But Mitt Romney
made a calculated decision to move to the right in the primaries, baiting
Rick Perry for having the Texas version of the DREAM Act. And now, he`s
got to live with it. And that`s why you got him with Bob Schieffer just,
you know bah, bah, bah, five times and not really being able to give a
straight answer.

SCHULTZ: It`s a running on the show. The question is: will the real
Mitt Romney stand up? Once again, we can`t find the guy.

Joan Walsh, great to have you. Thank you so much for joining us
tonight. I appreciate it. Remember to answer tonight`s question there at
the bottom of the screen. Share your thoughts on Twitter @EdShow. We want
to know what you think.

Racial profiling is not over in America. Protesters staged a silent
march yesterday in New York to fight the stop and frisk policy on the same
day Rodney King died. Dr. James Peterson joins me for the discussion.

Stay with us. We`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: Coming up, Dr. James Peterson on the death of Rodney King,
and what it means and the massive rally to end stop and frisk in New York.
Will it stop?

Also tonight, former governor from Vermont, Howard Dean, on Senator
Mitch McConnell`s stunning defense of the Koch brothers in Citizens United.

And Republicans in Michigan are trying to silence women after a
lawmaker said the world vagina on the House floor. Tonight, on the steps
of the capitol, women are protesting with I guess you could say an off, off
Broadway production of "The Vagina Monologues". We will go live to
Lansing, Michigan, tonight.

Share your thoughts on Twitter using the #EdShow. We`re coming right
back. Stay with us.



RODNEY KING: I just want to say, you know, can we -- can we all get
along? Can we get along?


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to THE ED SHOW.

Obviously, Rodney King, the man passed away yesterday, that was him
more than 20 years ago, after police officers who beat him nearly to death
were acquitted and riots erupted in this city of Los Angeles. Rodney King
passing away yesterday at the age of 47. He was found in a swimming pool
by his fiancee. Toxicology tests will be performed.

But King`s legacy will always be the attention he drew to police
brutality. Word of his death emerged on the very same day, ironically,
that thousands of people in New York City, including Reverend Al Sharpton,
staged a silent march in the big city to protest the police department`s
stop and frisk policy.

Now, last year -- this is amazing -- 85 percent of those stopped under
the policy were black or Hispanic, even though they account for only half
of New York`s population. Only 42 percent were young, black, or Hispanic
men, even though they are just 4.7 percent of the city`s population.

What`s going on here?

A retired African-American police sergeant, Noel Leader, said officers
are engaged in illegal stop and frisks. What`s happening now under Police
Commissioner Ray Kelly, he says, is that he`s demanding officers to conduct
stops even if they don`t have a justifiable level of suspicion. Sergeant
Leader is now the cofounder of a black law enforcement advocacy group.

Where does it end?

Let`s bring in Dr. James Peterson, director of African Studies and
associate professor of English at Lehigh University.

Dr. Peterson, good to have you with us tonight.

I know that you have written about the death of Rodney King and what
he symbolized over so many years. I mean, he asked the very profound
question, can we all get along?

But I want to start with New York`s stop and frisk law and that
protest yesterday. Is this racial profiling? Is this necessary for law
enforcement to do this in New York?

JAMES PETERSON, LEHIGH UNIVERSITY: It is institutionalized racial
profiling. I don`t believe it`s necessary to do this in the city of New
York or the city of Philadelphia or any of the cities where the stop and
frisk policies are in place now. And you cited the numbers there,
initially, Ed. The bottom line here is that black and brown men are being
subject to search -- illegal search and sometimes seizure for no reason.

Now, the mayor of New York City and other mayors of these big cities
will tell you that these things have certain benefits in terms of reducing
the crime rates. But there`s other data that show that there are factors
in the reduction of crime rates over time.

SCHULTZ: Yes. Well, you know, I live in New York City, I walk home,
to and from work. I see black police officers all the time.

When the story came out, I thought, I wonder what they`re thinking.
Where are the black police officers? Are they actually -- and you`ve got
this former sergeant who obviously walked the beat, saying there`s illegal
activity taking place. I mean, if that`s the case, what does the city to
have to do? What do the residents have to do?

PETERSON: Well, first of all, you know, when you talk about something
being institutionalized, the doesn`t matter if the officers are black,
white, or Latino, they`re indoctrinated to profile black and Latino young
men. They could be just as detrimental in stop and frisk policy as a white
officer. It`s the indoctrination that we`re questioning and we`re

But New York City has become a safer city over the course of the last
20 years since Rodney King first, can we all just get along? New York City
has become a safer city and it is not a result of stop and frisk policies.
It`s a result of a lot of different other factors we don`t have time to go
into, Ed, but it`s not because of stop and frisk.

SCHULTZ: One of those is gun control, which I`m in favor of.

PETERSON: One of them is gun control, that`s right.

SCHULTZ: Here is Mayor Michael Bloomberg. Here he is.


people want us to stop making stops. Innocent people who are stopped can
be treated disrespectfully, that`s just not acceptable. And my door is
always open to new ideas and information. And just this past week, I did
meet with Reverend Sharpton and others who disagree with me on this issue.


SCHULTZ: All right. What does mend it mean? He doesn`t want to end
it, he wants to mend it. How do you mend something that has some
unbelievable numbers that we showed on the screen about how many stops and
frisks are actually being made on African-Americans and Latinos? What`s a
mend here?

PETERSON: What Mayor Bloomberg wants to do is he actually sort -- he
wants to maintain the policy but train the officers to I guess be more
respectful or try to be less biased. But we so much data on bias and on
profiling that it`s going to be difficult to do. And the bottom line here
is, you should remove the policy and empower your police officers to make
good judgments based upon their ability to discern criminal activity from
pedestrian activity, based on their ability to discern someone who may
appear to be fitting the profile of a criminal just on the sort of basis of
where they are and what they`re doing, as opposed on the basis of race or
on the basis of them being young and male.

SCHULTZ: Didn`t Rodney King say it all in a profound manner? Can`t
we all just get along? What does Rodney King`s life mean at this point?
Unfortunately, he`s gone, but what impact did he have on police brutality,
and what he said 20 years ago and how it`s being remembered now?

PETERSON: You know, Ed, people made fun of Rodney King when he said
can`t we all get along because the nerve was so raw around police brutality
and around justice and racial injustice at the time. But it was so
profound and it really spoke to his kind of personality. He had a peaceful
personality despite the ways people are responding to my piece or
responding to the fact we`re trying to commemorate the legacy of Rodney
King right now.

And here`s the thing -- this is not really about his life. It`s not
about his drug abuse, not about him speeding away from the cops. It`s
about the ways in which his life was interpolated into history and his life
reflected for us upon the ways in which police brutality had really gotten
out of hand.

When you look at that Rodney King videotape, Ed, you can see there`s
something wrong with our society. That`s the reason why people had such a
visceral response to it. That`s the reason it was the startup for the L.A.
riots when the men were exonerated.

SCHULTZ: And in the midst of all of it, after the verdict came down,
he had the courage to ask the question, can`t we all get along?

PETERSON: Amazing. He was beaten to within an inch of his life. I
mean, again, great -- incredible legacy, but the legacy continues because
you have Al Sharpton, Ben Jealous, two incredible National Action Network
and NAACP, two great African American organizations coming together on
Sunday to sort of extend that legacy.

SCHULTZ: James Peterson, always great to have you with us. Thank

PETERSON: Thanks for having me.

SCHULTZ: Coming up, the Koch brothers get a big time boost from
Republican leader in the Senate. Former Governor Howard Dean on the unholy
alliance of big money and big Republicans is next.

And Mitt Romney`s pandering about sandwiches in Pennsylvania just goes
all bad for him, trying to be a regular dude, and he`s not. We`ll show you
the latest with the middle class Mitt. Stay with us.


SCHULTZ: Take notice -- the most powerful Republican in the United
States Senate thinks you can`t handle the truth about campaign donations.
You as an American, you can`t handle the truth. He wants to protect the
wealthiest donors and keep their names and you in the dark.

Senator Mitch McConnell told a conservative think tank that the
DISCLOSE Act is a threat to free speech. He says it`s dangerous if you
find out who donates money to political campaigns.


SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL (R), MINORITY LEADER: It`s not an act of good
government. It`s a political weapon. And that`s precisely what those who
are pushing the legislation have in mind.


SCHULTZ: The truth is a political weapon. Senator McConnell is
defending the Koch Brothers. He named them in that speech. He thinks they
have been targets of the political weapon that he`s talking about. Charles
and David Koch are reportedly planning a fund-raising summit this weekend
in San Diego. "Politico" reports that Koch Brothers want to raise more
than 395 million dollars for the Republican cause. Their summit is
supposed to be top secret. No press allowed. You`re not invited.

You`ll never know how much money they rake in or who throws the money
in the pot. Remember, the billionaires want something in return for all of
this fund-raising. They want deregulation. They want regulation and
legislation that is going to favor their industries. They`re keeping
secrets from you and calling it free speech.

I`m joined tonight by former Vermont Governor Howard Dean, former
chairman of the DNC, and consultant to McKenna, Long, Aldridge, and
Democracy for America. Governor Dean, great to have you with us.
Appreciate your time. I know that this is a subject that you get your back
up quickly on.

Your response to Mitch McConnell protecting the Koch Brothers, saying
that the liberals are being unfair to the Kochs. What is your response.

HOWARD DEAN, FORMER VERMONT GOVERNOR: This has nothing to do with
liberals. This has to do with the Republican party that cares more about
themselves and their own power than they do about own country. You
couldn`t find very many Tea Party people who would agree with Senator
McConnell. The fact of the matter is this is bad for America and Senator
McConnell has put his party ahead of his country. I think that`s wrong.
And I think the American people will punish that at the polls in November.

SCHULTZ: This is the most vocal the Republicans have been supporting
these billionaires who are throwing money in there. Senator McConnell is
accusing -- he is attacking Democrats because they want Republicans to
disclose campaign donations. Do you agree?

DEAN: Well, there are a lot of Republicans who have said this. I
heard Karl Rove said he`s for disclosure. I don`t know where Senator
McConnell got his position. This is not a particularly Republican
position. It turns out that he represents the Republican party, which is
why I think the Republican party is going to get their just desserts in

This is not something that`s good for America. When you decide that
ordinary Americans must not know who is influencing politics, that is about
keeping power for those one percent. And the Republican party, in fact,
represents the one percent. They don`t give a damn about the 99 percent.
And I think that`s surely going to be clear by the election.

SCHULTZ: Howard, what do you think these billionaires want? I mean,
are they just having fun with this election cycle? What do they want?

DEAN: They want control over America, the way they had in the 1920s
when they drove us into bankruptcy, the way they had in the -- late 1800s
after the Civil War. They want to control this. They want to make more
money. Frankly, this is not about America. This is about them. And I
think we have had enough of that kind of politics.

SCHULTZ: Well, no doubt. But isn`t there a hatred for President
Obama really fueling all of this as well?

DEAN: There is au hatred for President Obama. And some of this may
be racism, but I think most of it is greed. These are very, very wealthy
people. They don`t -- here is the thing that bothers me about this. They
fundamentally don`t understand that if they lived in some other country,
they couldn`t make this kind of money. Because the other countries don`t
have the freedom and the democracy.

But there`s a price for freedom. And part of the price for freedom is
not just what the veterans have had to give up, giving their lives in
various places in the last century or two. Part of the price for freedom
is paying taxes and understanding we live in a community. This a community
of 310 million people. And they think they`re better than everybody else.

You think the Koch Brothers give a damn about the average American?
They don`t. They just want their wallets. And there`s a lot of people
like that who are giving to those PACs, 100 million dollars Shelly Adelson
is giving to Republicans. he doesn`t give a damn about the United States
of America. He gives a damn about Shelly Adelson. And that is the
terrible stain on the Supreme Court, on the Roberts Court, is that they
allowed America to be put up for sale with Citizens United, which has
allowed this kind of spending without disclosure.

SCHULTZ: Although Mitch McConnell says that, you know, this is all
about freedom of speech and protecting freedom of speech, which is absolute
hogwash coming from the guy --

DEAN: What they`re doing is taking our government away from us and
selling it to the highest bidder. That`s what Mitch McConnell is doing.

SCHULTZ: No doubt. Howard Dean, always great to have you with us on

DEAN: Thank you.

SCHULTZ: You bet. There`s a lot more coming up in the next half hour
of THE ED SHOW. Stay tuned.


to do. Excuse me sir. It`s not time for questions, sir.


SCHULTZ: A conservative activist shouts down the president. And now
one veteran journalist admits some righties just can`t stand having a black
president. The big panel weighs in next.

Michigan Democrats fight back after being silenced for saying the
world vagina. We`ll go live to Lansing, Michigan, for a special edition of
"The Vagina Monologues."

And Mitt Romney has no idea what a doughnut looks like.


MITT ROMNEY (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Would you see that one of
those chocolate -- chocolate goodies find its way into our lives?


SCHULTZ: And he`s never been to a Wa-Wa.


ROMNEY: Where do you get your hoagies here? Do you get them at Wa-
Was? Is that where you get them?


SCHULTZ: We`ll bring you Mitt Romney`s latest out of touch moment.



OBAMA: It is the right thing to do. Excuse me, sir. It`s not time
for questions, sir, not while I`m speaking.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to THE ED SHOW. That, of course, was a
conservative activist from the website "Daily Caller" interrupting
President Obama`s immigrations remarks on Friday. Now after the incident,
"Daily Caller" editor Tucker Carlson compared his reporter`s actions to
former White House correspondent Sam Donaldson`s actions. Donaldson
rejected the comparison, saying that he never once interrupted a president
during a speech.

He told the "Huffington Post" race was a factor in Friday`s incident.
He said, "let`s face it, many on the political right believe this president
ought not be there. They oppose him not for his policies and political
view, but for who he is, an African-American."

For more on this, let`s turn to conservative radio talk show host
Michael Medved, Democratic strategist Kelly Goff, and author of the "GQ
Candidate," and senior "Huffington Post" reporter Trymaine Lee.

Great to have all of you with us tonight.


SCHULTZ: I mean, this is a guy who works for a website. He stands
up. It`s an attention getting moment. He doesn`t care if he gets thrown
out. It`s juvenile.

Michael, what should, if anything, the White House do about this
joker? Should he be able to come back and do it again?

MICHAEL MEDVED, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: You know what? Should he be
able to come back and do it again? I think the "Daily Caller" ought to
take him out of the White House press pool. And that`s to me the most
striking thing about this, is that Tucker Carlson, whose father was
president of PBS -- he`s been around the block. He knows what is going on.
Honestly, this was inappropriate behavior. It made conservatives look bad.

To say it`s racist I think is way over the top. We don`t know what`s
in this guy`s heart. But it was disrespectful to the president of the
United States, whether that was president black or Hispanic or Anglo white.
It doesn`t matter. It was the wrong thing to do. And they ought to

SCHULTZ: Trymaine, Sam Donaldson is a pretty prominent figure in the
media in his day, and well respected. What impact are his remarks going to
have on President Obama being treated unfairly because of race? That was
his comment, not mine. What do you think?

TRYMAINE LEE, "THE HUFFINGTON POST": I think Sam Donaldson`s comments
kind of chime in on what everyone else has been saying, that the president
has been getting unfairly attacked and he`s been getting heckled clearly
because he`s an African-American. I spoke with Tucker Carlson about a
month ago about his website`s handling of the president`s Trayvon Martin`s
comments. He said he was keeping journalism honest; it was about

But for him to go on and say he was proud of the reporter`s heckling
of the president, it`s outrageous. You wouldn`t see that at a dog
catcher`s election, let alone the Rose Garden.

SCHULTZ: Well, it was juvenile. It was disrespectful. And it`s par
for the course for a lot of these right-wing websites. All they want to do
is see President Obama get defeated. Kelly, will unfair treatment of the
president continue? Is this just going to be the way it`s going to be

KELLY GOFF, LOOP21.COM: In a word, yes. Not just in this term, if he
gets a second one as well. One quick correction, I`m not actually a
Democratic strategist, Ed. But I am an American citizen. And every
American citizen should feel demeaned whenever we see the Office of the
Presidency demeaned. That is what we saw happen.

What we saw happen in the Rose Garden was the sequel to Joe Wilson
shouting "you lied," the sequel to Governor Brewer sticking her finger in
the face of the president of the United States, something I was taught at
five years old you don`t do because it`s disrespectful, let alone to the
leader of the free world.

And any person who doesn`t believe that race plays some role in that
is floating down a river of denial. I just have to say that there are
plenty of African-Americans who have said it, and I will say again. It`s
sort of like everyone knows it`s not appropriate to use the term boy --
well, not everyone, because one member of Congress actually did refer to
the president of the United States as boy and had to apologize. But that`s
no longer publicly acceptable.

So there are other ways to sort of try to put him in his place, and
behaving like that is one example. We`re not going to see end of it.

SCHULTZ: Michael, why do you say racism, it`s over the top? Why do
you say that?

MEDVED: Because look, first of all, racism is nuclear war. When you
say someone is a racist in this society, it`s one of the worst things you
can say about them, because of America`s terrible history of racism.

GOFF: Well, it used to be.

MEDVED: The truth of the matter is I was there in the House gallery
the night that Joe Wilson called that out. And I actually spoke to a
member of the Republican House leadership who was horrified that Joe Wilson
did that. And I do --

SCHULTZ: I didn`t see any -- but the key is they might have been
saying that behind closed doors. I didn`t see any of them parading in
front of the cameras disavowing what he said.

GOFF: They fund raised off it.


MEDVED: It was completely inappropriate. And by the way, Joe Wilson
apologized. He did. Now you can say the apology wasn`t sincere, he was
just forced to do it. The point about this is that any disrespect for the
president of the United States, whether that president is named Bush or
Obama, any disrespect for the secretary of state -- you may remember
Condoleezza Rice has been booed in public when she has spoken.

To jump to the conclusion that it is always racist if you attack
someone who is of color, it seems to me, is an area we don`t have to go.

SCHULTZ: Kelly, you don`t buy that?

MEDVED: -- for more civility.

GOFF: No, I don`t. And I have written about this. We have
officially become -- I`m going to have to disagree a little bit with
Michael here, right, that calling someone a racist used to be the worst
thing you could say, and not so much anymore. It`s sort of become this
sort of Teflon thing where conservatives feel like, someone is crying wolf
again, you know. Oh, the person is sexist, oh, they`re racist. Unless you
actually use the N-word on camera while kicking a puppy, no one buys that
you`re racist.

Remember, Rick Perry actually went hunting at a place that had the N-
word on a rock, and people said, oh, that`s not racist. He`s just having
good fun. It`s like unless someone actually wears a clan robe, which
people don`t do, that`s the only time you`re allowed to call someone a
racist these days, apparently.

SCHULTZ: Trymaine?

MEDVED: OK, the N-word on the rock thing, just to get back to that
for a moment, that was a piece of property that Rick Perry`s father had
bought. That thing was on the rock before his father bought it and he
never erased it. Of course he should have.


LEE: First of all, you mentioned war. We have been at war with black
masculinity. Certain segments of this population have been attacking black
America, black men, black masculinity. We`re seeing this spillover. So to
say that is an overstatement that race is playing a role here, it`s
ridiculous. We`ve seen it time and time again. There`s no one protesting.
They`re chanting. They`re applauding for this. We see it time and time


MEDVED: When you talk about black masculinity, Colonel Allen West,
who served his country heroically in the United States military, is
attacked very regularly and very, very harshly.

SCHULTZ: Well, listen to what he says. The guy -- he makes comments
that are unbelievable. Allen West is the most --

MEDVED: I agree. So does the president of the United States from
time to time.

SCHULTZ: All right, great to have all of you with us tonight.
Appreciate your time. Thank you.

Mitt Romney uses a visit to Wa-Wa to try to seem like a normal guy,
but the crowd didn`t buy it. We`ll have the latest on another out of touch
moment for the Mittster. Stay with us.



ROMNEY: is he really that out of touch? I think he`s defining what
it means to be detached and out of touch with the American people.


SCHULTZ: Really? Welcome back to THE ED SHOW. Unemployed
millionaire Mitt Romney has, I think, made a habit of calling President
Obama out of touch. Let`s bring it down to Earth. Romney has had his fair
share of out of touch moments, don`t you think? Especially when it comes
to the basics, food. On Saturday, he visited a Wa-Wa in Pennsylvania. He
immediately used his visit to try to seem like a normal guy with the crowd,
you know?


ROMNEY: Where do you get your hoagies here? Do you get them at Wa-
Was? Is that where you get them? No, you get them at Sheets? Where do
you get them? Well, I went to a place today called Wa-Was. Have you ever
been to Wa-Was? Anybody been there? Somebody people don`t -- I`m sorry, I
know it`s a very big state divider.


SCHULTZ: Nice try, Mitt. It`s Wa-Wa, not Wa-Was. Not everybody in
Pennsylvania gets their sandwiches from Wa-Wa, as you can tell by the
crowd`s reaction. But his attempt to seem normal just didn`t go over very
well. Romney had another out of touch moment while trying to ask for a
doughnut recently.


ROMNEY: Garrett, would we see that one of those chocolate -- goodies
finds its way to our lives.


SCHULTZ: Now hold it right there. It`s a plate of doughnuts. And
Romney, for him, for the life of him, he can`t figure out what the heck is
on the plate? Is that a senior moment? Or he just doesn`t know what
doughnuts are? Romney is the poster boy for out of touch politicians. He
should stick to vacationing in his mansions around the world, instead of
pretending to be someone he`s not, which is a normal dude.

Tonight in our survey, I asked will Mitt Romney ever take a firm
stance on anything? Four percent of you said yes; 96 percent of you said

Coming up, the protests over the V word. See what happens when
Republicans try to silence their opposition in Michigan. We`ll be right


SCHULTZ: And in the Big Finish tonight, top Michigan Republicans,
well, they didn`t like it when Representative Lisa Brown said the world
vagina during a debate last week. So imagine what the guys of the GOP
thought of this protest tonight.

Hundreds of people gathered outside the capitol in Lansing, Michigan,
to listen to a performance of "The Vagina Monologues." Eleven female
lawmakers took the stage. This all stems from a debate over abortion
legislation last Wednesday. Representative Lisa Brown was censored for
saying this.


I`m flattered that you`re all so interested in my vagina, but no means no.


SCHULTZ: Republican leaders insist that they were offended by her
rape reference, not the word vagina. Brown was not allowed to speak again.
GOP wouldn`t allow her to debate a teacher retirement bill the very next
day, totally different subject. Representative Barb Byrum was also
silenced. She tried to suggest an amendment to legislate vasectomies. She
got shut down.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ll open the board. Members may board at their
desk. The amendment is not adopted.

Are there further amendments? Representative, you are out of order.

me, Mr. Speaker. I represent the same number of people as you do.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Would the clerk please read in the next amendment?


SCHULTZ: Michigan Republicans say both women simply violated the
rules of decorum, and the leader of the House accused both women of
throwing temper tantrums. But there could be some serious legal fall out
for the Republicans. This sign from today`s crowd, the protest tonight,
says it all, "Vaginas Brought You Into the World and Vaginas Will Vote You

Michigan State Representative Barb Byrum joins me tonight here on THE
ED SHOW. Barb, thank you for your time.

BYRUM: Thank you so much for having me.

SCHULTZ: You bet. Does the public get what is going on here? It
seems to be there`s a radical agenda out there, an attack on women. And
now they`re trying to squelch the dissenting voices. How else do we read

BYRUM: Absolutely, that`s how the people should read it. Rather than
focusing on creating jobs, making sure our kids get a good education, we`re
focusing on these social issues that are divisive and unnecessary. And
we`re also just silencing the voice of two female legislators in the House
of Representatives. It`s completely unacceptable. And I think the people
know that.

SCHULTZ: What do you say to your colleagues over on the right that
say you went too far, that you went out of bounds, that you violated
decorum. What about that?

BYRUM: I have seen fist fights on the House floor. I have seen -- I
have heard many worse words than vagina, vasectomy or anything like that on
the floor. So them arguing that I am violating decorum falls on deaf ears.
They are making up excuses because they didn`t like what I had to say.

And if they didn`t like what we had so to say -- Representative Brown,
of course, said vagina and I, of course, said vasectomy -- they`re sure not
going to like what we do in November, and that`s vote.

SCHULTZ: Well, I guess when are you going to be able to go back on
the floor again? They wouldn`t let you on the floor the next day or your
colleague Brown. She was not allowed to go on the floor the next day to do
an amendment to a teacher bill. What about that?

BYRUM: We were permitted on the floor. We were permitted to vote,
but we were not permitted to speak. Representative Brown had some
education legislation that she needed to speak actually in opposition to.
I had some voter suppression legislation that was on the floor that I also
wanted to speak in opposition today. We were both denied the opportunity
to speak on those pieces of legislation. We were able to vote on the
legislation, however.

SCHULTZ: How do you know that this is going to have a big impact in

BYRUM: I know this is going to have a big impact in November because
I just saw over 3,000 people screaming "vagina, vasectomy, and vote" on the
Capital steps. So I know this will have an impact in November. I just
don`t think the Republicans know what kind of impact this is going to have.

SCHULTZ: Well, you know, if they`re banning you from speaking on the
floor and they get away with it, what makes you think they`re not going to
do it again?

BYRUM: I don`t think they`re getting away with it. People are mad.
Whether they`re pro choice or anti-choice, people are upset that two female
elected state representatives were censored on the House floor. And people
are mad. And they`re holding them accountable for those actions.

SCHULTZ: Michigan State Representative Barb Byrum, thanks for your
time tonight. I appreciate it so much. Thank you.

That`s THE ED SHOW. I`m Ed Schultz. Great to be back with you.

Rachel Maddow also back. Her show starts right now. And Rachel, I
hope you`re feeling better, but I want you to know I got fresh air and I
caught a fish this big.


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