PoliticsNation, Monday, June 25, 2012
Read the transcript from the Monday show
Guests: Alicia Menendez; Cheryl Randecker; Karen Bass, Loretta Sanchez, Jose Diaz-Balart, Karen Klein
REVEREND AL SHARPTON, MSNBC HOST: Welcome to "Politics Nation." I`m
Tonight`s lead. The election fairness. At a rocker`s campaign event
in New Hampshire this afternoon, President Obama laid out his vision for
this country. A vision of America where everyone has shot at success. A
vision where the middle class thrives. A vision that stands in direct
opposition to that of Willard Mitt Romney. A man who made millions in junk
bonds who always made sure the cards were stacked in his favor. And who
profited by sending jobs overseas.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: It was reported that
governor Romney`s old firms were pioneers in outsourcing jobs to China and
India. They tried to clear this up by telling us there`s a difference
between outsourcing and offshoring. That`s what they said. You cannot
make this stuff up.
What governor Romney and his advisers don`t seem to understand is
this. If you`re a worker whose job went overseas, you don`t need somebody
trying to explain to you the difference between outsourcing and offshoring.
You need somebody who`s going to wake up every single day and fight for
American jobs and investment here in the United States. That`s what you
need. That`s why I`m running.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SHARPTON: The president`s right. Word play means nothing, nothing to
someone who`s seen their jobs leaf the country.
In a few minutes we`ll talk to a woman whose job has been outsourced
by Bain Capital. She and 169 of her colleagues will soon be out of work.
Offshoring or outsourcing, either way she`s without a job. That`s Romney`s
economy. Profits over people. It`s not what President Obama is offering.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
OBAMA: That`s how he built this country, together. By making these
common investments, everybody would have the platform. Everybody would
have the capacity to do better. It would make us all richer. Together it
gave all of us opportunity. Together we moved forward. Together as one
nation and as one people. And that is the right lesson for our future.
That is why I`m running for a second term as president of the United States
because I want us all to move forward, together.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SHARPTON: We can move forward together. But we can`t with a
candidate who doesn`t offer solutions or who only does when he`s surrounded
by the top one percent. We can`t move forward with a president whose tax
plan is so vague it can`t be scored.
Here`s the thing. Romney hates specifics for the vast majority of
Americans. He reserves specifics for a special place.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Are there no fair questions about the
distribution of wealth without it being seen as envy though?
MITT ROMNEY (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You know, I think it is
fine to talk about those things in quiet rooms.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SHARPTON: In quiet rooms. Romney talks. And I`m sure he talked in
the quiet room he was in this weekend. Donors who raised $100,000 got the
chance to spend the weekend with Romney. As well as people like Karl Rove,
the man behind two super PACs looking to spend millions of dollars to take
down this president. That`s Romney`s economic policies in a nutshell.
Short on details if you can pay up.
Joining me now, Congresswoman Karen Bass, Democrat from California.
And Alicia Menendez, host of "Huffpost Live."
REP. KAREN BASS, (D), CALIFORNIA: Thank you both, for being here this
Thanks for having us on.
SHARPTON: Congresswoman, let me ask you. One of the men running for
president profited from jobs that were sent overseas. Are we on uncharted
BASS: Well, actually, I don`t think we are. And you know, what I
think Romney has been pretty specific. He has said that he supports Paul
Ryan`s budget. He has said that the Arizona immigration law was a model.
So I think he has been clear. It`s just that he doesn`t like to be
pinned down in interviews sometimes. But if he supports the Paul Ryan
budget, he believes in ending Medicare as we know it.
SHARPTON: That`s very specific.
SHARPTON: Let me ask you something, Alicia. The treasurer of a major
super-pro Romney super PAC was spotted in the lobby of the retreat this
weekend. He just happened to be there. I guess he just happened to be in
the neighborhood of Utah. His name is Charlie spies and he`s treasurer of
restore our future, the super PAC that has raised $64 million for Romney.
Now, the Romney campaign released this statement. "The restore our
future staff was not invited. The campaign did not control that. We are
fully aware of the law and comply with it completely."
The campaign did nothing illegal, but this doesn`t raise some red
flags. I mean, the fact is super PACs are not supposed to be co-
strategizing or planning with campaigns. And I`m sure if this was the
other way around, they`d be raising all kinds of issues about this.
ALICIA MENENDEZ, HOST, HUFFPOST LIVE: Well, on the surface they
didn`t do anything illegal. BUT that`s not kudos to team Romney. That`s a
major problem with our flaw that these groups can be in public places
together and potentially talk in those public places.
It`s a lack of transparency. It begins here. It ends with citizens
united. And it`s going to play a major role in November`s outcomes.
SHARPTON: The congresswoman said that Mr. Romney`s been specific with
support of the Ryan budget. Politico had had a huge article, very long
article this weekend I read on Romney`s unwillingness to take a stand on
anything. It says and let me quote this. It says "vague general or
downright evasive policy descriptions on some of the most important issues
facing the country are becoming the rule for Romney." It goes on to say
"Romney is remarkably candid almost as though he`s reading the stage
directions about why he won`t offer up details. He thinks it will
undermine his chance to win." What does that mean?
MENENDEZ: It means this guy does not like specifics. Listen. He
went to Naleo, he gave this big speech about immigration. And somehow
managed not to mention 11.5 million undocumented Americans who are
potentially the most contentious elements of our immigration debate.
Similarly, he talks about all his deficit busting measures without telling
us how he`s going to offset all of those cuts.
There`s a report out today from Senate Democrats saying, most likely
it will result in tax increases to middle class families. The guy knows
that if those details come out, they become unsavory to the general
SHARPTON: So the strategy, Congresswoman is, that don`t be specific
because you`ll lose votes. I mean, when you look how he`s dodged on the
Obama immigration policy. He`s promised to offer a long-term solution.
What that solution is, who knows. There`s no word if he supports the
paycheck fairness act. All he said is he supports pay equity. Whatever
We don`t know what he`ll cut to balance the budget. He told the
"Weekly Standard" that he`s quote, "not going to give you a list right
now." And as far as foreign policy goes, he won`t apologize for America,
whatever that means.
So, he`s really trying to visit both ways, taking broad positions that
appeal to his base, as you said the Ryan plan.
But when you get specifics, even issues that come up daily, he kind of
ducks, dodges, or hides.
BASS: Well, actually, I think, Reverend, I mean, it`s kind of back to
the etch-a-sketch moment. Because it -- thank goodness for the primary.
He was in a number of different debates. He took stances on plenty of
issues. What this play is which we know because we`ve seen it before. As
soon as the primary ends, he`s trying to move back toward the center. But
we need to go back to all of those debates, back to the time when he made
very clear positions.
He called for resolving immigration by having the massive self-
deportation of people if you can even imagine that. You know, he was very
clear in what he wanted to do when it was the primary. The day after the
primary when everybody else dropped out. That`s when you had that etch-a-
sketch happen. And now he`s Mr. Vague. He doesn`t want to be pinned down
Well, thank goodness for video because we can go back and capture his
words and say to him, this is what you said this day. Now, have you
changed your mind or what?
To say on day one I`m going to introduce a new immigration policy is
saying that he disagrees with what the president did and he`s going to do
everything he can to overturn that.
SHARPTON: But in the absence of his being specific, the president`s
been very specific and clear on what he`s proposing whether it wins or
loses support for him. Watch this on his economic policy.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
OBAMA: First of all they promise to roll back all kinds of
regulations on banks and polluters and insurance companies, in oil
companies. They also then want to add another $5 trillion in tax cuts on
top of that including a 25 percent tax cut for every millionaire in the
country. Unfortunately, that is their entire economic plan. That`s it.
When Mr. Romney tells us he`s some sort of financial wizard who can
fix our economy, that`s how he intends to do it.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SHARPTON: Now, there you see the president specific about Romney`s
plan and the Republican plan. And he`s very clear on where it will go.
It`ll go to the top one percent.
MENENDEZ: And that is something that is very clear if you follow this
as closely as you and I do.
What the Romney camp is clearly banking on is a lot of Americans
aren`t checking in for another few months to this race. They are very
concerned about this economy and they are desperate for leadership. And in
the absence of real leadership, he`s hoping to sell these platitudes. He`s
hoping to sell his experience as a businessman without anyone looking too
specifically at what his experience in business is, so.
SHARPTON: But congresswoman, at the same time he`s tried to play on
the politics of envy and saying its class warfare. But if we look at the
facts, with all the talk the GOP has about the president is stifling
business, what we do know is corporate profits are high at an all-time
So clearly, what the president has been doing has not hurt those that
are at the top of these corporations. In fact, they`re making more money
than ever while he`s saying but let us share and make sure that everyone is
in a better place.
BASS: Well, and you correctly point out that corporate profits are
high. They`re at the highest and wages are at their lowest.
BASS: You know, Maybe Romney`s campaign slogan should be trust me
because I`m rich because basically that`s the only thing he`s bringing to
the table. If we look at the track record of Bain Capital, if we look at
the communities that have been hurt, the jobs that have been lost. If
that`s what he wants to offer for the American people, I would say we`re
going to be in a nation that`s going to be in a great deal of pain should
there be a Romney presidency. However, I`m convinced that won`t be the
SHARPTON: Congresswoman Bass and Alicia Menendez, thank you both for
joining me this evening.
MENENDEZ: Thank you.
BASS: Thank you for having us on.
SHARPTON: Ahead, shipping jobs overseas. Tonight an exclusive
interview with a worker at a Bain Capital owned company who`s having her
job outsourced to China right now. Thanks a lot, Mitt.
Plus, Speaker Boehner, the Republican leader, accuses the White House
of a cover-up. But wait until you hear which Republican says he`s wrong.
And remember the 68-year-old bus monitor horribly bullied and abused
by kids? Now she`s speaking out.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
KAREN KLEIN, BULLIED BUS MONITOR: It made me feel really terrible,
but I will get over it. I`ve gotten over everything else.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SHARPTON: Some of those kids are apologizing, but she has a lot to
say about that. And she`ll be here live to do just that.
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SHARPTON: Mitt Romney probably wants you to think that Bain Capital
is all ancient history. But the truth is companies owned by Bain are still
suffering. And Romney is still making millions of dollars from the company
he left 13 years ago.
And Politico reports his tax returns show he made $13 million from his
Bain investments over the last two years.
Meanwhile, factory workers at companies like Sensata technologies
which Bain Capital bought in 2006 are suffering. The Illinois plant will
close by the end of the year. About 170 employees will be laid off. And
what`s going to happen to their jobs? They`re being outsourced to China.
Of course Mitt Romney`s said he`ll stop jobs from being outsourced to
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ROMNEY: We will not let China continue to steal jobs from the United
States of America.
Chinese are smiling all the way to the bank taking our currency and
our jobs and taking a lot of our future. I`m not willing to let that
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SHARPTON: Last week some employees from Sensata held a protest in
front of the plant asking Romney to stand behind his words and stand up for
the American worker.
The Romney campaign knows this is a problem. Just listen to how they
tried to spin the outsourcing story over the weekend.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ED GILLESPIE, MITT ROMNEY (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: ROMNEY`S
SENIOR ADVISOR: A lot of American companies outsource -- they outsource
domestically as well. For example, the Obama for America campaign
outsources from its own campaign telemarketing services.
CANDY CROWLEY, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: To Omaha or
GILLESPIE: It`s an economic model that make sense.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SHARPTON: Sure it makes sense. I have a news flash for the Romney
campaign. Omaha is not China. And you can`t spin your candidate`s history
of sending jobs overseas.
Joining me now is Cheryl Randercker, she manufactures car parts at the
Sensata Technologies plant in Freeport, Illinois. And was one of the more
than dozen workers who protested last week. Also joining me is David Corn,
Washington bureau chief for "Mother Jones" and an MSNBC political analyst,
as well as author of "showdown."
Thanks to both of you for being here tonight.
DAVID CORN, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: Sure thing.
SHARPTON: Let me start with you Miss Randecker. You`ve been working
at the plant for 33 years, I understand. What made you and some of your
coworkers stage this protest last week?
CHERYL RANDECKER, BANK-OWNED COMPANY WORKER: Well, it came to our
attention it was done by Bain Capital. And that Mr. Romney owned bank or
he hand it in Bain Capital. So we thought this would be a good opportunity
and he was only 55 miles away and decided not to come to Freeport,
SHARPTON: Now, --
RANDECKER: We want to save our jobs from going overseas.
SHARPTON: Now, give me exactly -- you started maybe going where I was
going to ask you. You`re trying to stop what? What has happened to your
jobs and where are you at right now in terms of your employment and your
RANDECKER: Well, we have probably four to six months left in this
factory. And everything will be gone. It will be very much like a ghost
town, then we`ll either go back to school, try to find other employment
which in this area is extremely hard to find because they move so much
manufacturing away. And most of it is in China. So, it`s up in the air.
We`re kind of wondering how are we going to pay and make the month to month
bills, and mortgages, taxes, and keep everybody happy.
SHARPTON: And Bain still owns Sensata where you`re presently working
and looking at the fact many of these jobs are going to China?
RANDECKER: Yes. Yes.
SHARPTON: All right. David, Mitt Romney length of time the company
13 years ago, but he still has investments there and he`s getting millions
of dollars from Bain. What can he do to help these workers if he wanted
CORN: First, my sympathies to Miss Randecker and her colleagues for
what they are going through. It must be tough working decades in a company
and community and at certain stage in life to be uprooted that way.
What Mitt Romney could be doing if he can`t -- if he doesn`t have a
hand in what Bain`s current management decisions is advocating policies
that make it more difficult for companies to outsource overseas. I mean,
the Obama campaign and some Democrats in Congress have been working on
legislation the past few years try to, you know, take away tax breaks and
incentives to make it easier for firms that outsourced jobs to China.
But it goes back to the point you were talking about earlier in the
show, Reverend, which is when it comes to economic policy, Mitt Romney
doesn`t have a lot to show. He`s keeping things vague and quite
And so, when he talks about getting tough in China, what he`s going to
be doing in terms of creating industry or manufacturing jobs here in the
United States, we really have no clue which is why what he did years ago at
Bain and in Massachusetts is so important.
Since he won`t really give us a lot of details about how he wants to
guide the country should he become president. Then all you can do is look
at what he did at Bain and have those cultures and what his priorities were
in Bain and what he did in Massachusetts as a way of having any guidance
for the type of president he might be.
SHARPTON: You know, Miss Randecker, what strikes me is with all of
his advocacy of saying that we must not have these jobs outsourced to
China. With all his advocacy, it make him claims against the president, if
you look at this map showing countries that companies under Bain Capital
like the one you work for were outsourced to China, India, Taiwan, Japan,
Singapore, Malaysia, South Korea, Ireland, France and they`re continuing to
do it. You after 33 years of work are facing unemployment with the
continued policy after he`s gone. But he`s still making profit. You
protest the other day, just said well, raised your voice, stand with us if
you have an interest. Have you heard from Mr. Romney or his campaign?
RANDECKER: No, not at all.
SHARPTON: So, though he works 50 miles away, there was no response to
RANDECKER: Not to my knowledge.
SHARPTON: What is it that you want him to say? If you could talk to
Mr. Romney, what would you say to him as someone who worked 33 years at the
company which means you were there when he was CEO of Bain even before they
bought it. You were there after they bought it and he`s gone on but still
makes a profit from him. What would you say to him as someone has facing
unemployment because of outsourcing from a company he`s making a profit
RANDECKER: Well, first of all I`d have to ask him if he had a job.
And second of all, I would probably say, you know, your policy, all you
would have to do is stop sending the jobs out of the country. All of these
holding companies and just keep them in the U.S. you wouldn`t have to
create any jobs if you just did that.
SHARPTON: Now, if I show you the swing states of polls shows that the
Obama campaign is making gains with anti-Bain ads against Mr. Romney.
Forty seven percent agree private equity hurts workers. But only 38
percent agree that private equity helps the economy. A lot of these firms
are the kinds of firms you`re talking about. So you would agree with the
48 percent in this poll?
RANDECKER: Yes. They need to stop outsourcing all the --
SHARPTON: Do you talk to your friends and coworkers about this?
RANDECKER: About keeping our jobs? Yes. We need to keep --
everybody has to stay here.
SHARPTON: David, if these polls are correct, and it doesn`t seem to
be a small margin here, this Bain issue and workers like this coming
forward even know can be a real serious political problem to Mr. Romney
going forward into this election.
CORN: I think the criticism of Bain that we saw from Rick Perry and
Newt Gingrich in the Republican primaries we now see coming from the Obama
campaign, can be a very effective course of action for some running against
Mitt Romney. Because really, Bain is his existence. That`s what he brings
to the table more than anything else.
And if you look at Bain, you not only get a sense of what he did as a
businessman. You also get a sense of his priorities. I mean, a lot of
people on the right like to derive Barack Obama for having once been a
But what does a community organizer do? He goes into a community. He
works with people on the ground to try to get them a better deal. These
are -- he was working communities that had been hurt by the removal or the
fleeing of manufacturing industry.
You know, Mitt Romney - you know, everyone has the right to choose
their own life -- went to a company that didn`t create things the way Steve
jobs did but he bought up companies and he tried to -- the key to things
was making profits.
You know, Bill Clinton ran years ago on a putting people first
platform. But Mitt Romney worries about putting profits first which shows
you that`s not always what a president is supposed to be doing.
SHARPTON: I`m going to have to leave it there. Cheryl Randecker,
David Corn, thank you both for your time.
And Cheryl, best of luck to you and all of your colleagues.
RANDECKER: Thank you.
SHARPTON: Still ahead, the Supreme Court`s big immigration ruling.
What it means for so many Americans.
But first, Speaker John Boehner has been making some wild accusations
against the White House. But doesn`t have the facts to back him up.
SHARPTON: Republicans have done everything in their power to go after
Attorney General Eric Holder. And cast a shadow on the Obama
administration. They`ve held hearing after hearing on the so-called "Fast
and Furious" program. They`ve set a contempt vote for this Thursday. And
they`ve even accused the White House itself of being involved in a cover-
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
REP. JOHN BOEHNER (R-OH), SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: The decision to
invoke executor privilege is an admission that the White House officials
were involved in decisions that misled the Congress and have covered up the
truth. What is the Obama administration hiding in "Fast and Furious?"
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SHARPTON: Misleading Congress. Covering up the truth. These are
serious accusations especially coming from the Speaker of the House. One
of the most powerful men in America. You`d hope Speaker Boehner would say,
this only if he had some kind of evidence. But he doesn`t. Check out this
admission from Congressman Darrell Issa who is leading the witch hunt
against Attorney General Eric Holder.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CHRIS WALLACE, HOST, "FOX NEWS SUNDAY": Do you have any evidence that
White House officials were involved in these decisions, that they knowingly
misled Congress and are involved in a cover-up?
REP. DARRELL ISSA (R), CALIFORNIA: No, we don`t.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SHARPTON: No evidence. None. Congressman Issa was asked about it
again and again. He didn`t have an answer.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
WALLACE: I just want to be clear. We`ve got to get out. No evidence
at this point that the White House is involved in a cover-up.
ISSA: And I hope that they don`t get involved.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SHARPTON: The facts are clear. Speaker Boehner`s accusations are not
backed up by the evidence. This was never about finding the truth. It was
always about politics. Nice try Speaker Boehner. You tried to pull a fast
one. But we got you!
SHARPTON: We`re back on POLITICS NATION with the pivotal decision
handed down by the Supreme Court today striking down most of Arizona`s
harsh anti-immigrant law. The decision comes two years after Arizona
officials rushed SB-1070 into law claiming the state had as much right to
enforce immigration laws as the federal government.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SHERIFF JOE ARPAIO, MARICOPA COUNTY, ARIZONA: We have state laws that
I am for. The federal government should be thanking me and everybody else
in Arizona for doing their job working with them instead of filing lawsuits
to try to do everything they can to stop this illegal immigration law
UNIDENTIFIED MAN: The United States is violating Arizona`s ten
GOV. JAN BREWER (R), ARIZONA: Arizona did not ask for this fight with
the federal government. To secure our border and to enforce our
immigration laws. We did not want this fight. We did not start this
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SHARPTON: The Supreme Court ended that fight today. The court
knocked down provisions requiring all immigrants to carry documentation
making it a crime for undocumented immigrants to apply for jobs. And
allowing officers to arrest suspected illegal immigrants without warrants.
This is a significant victory for the federal government and the President.
And it was a huge setback for those on the right who have tried to push
their radical agenda under the guise of state`s rights.
But the court allowed the most controversial part of the law to stand.
The so-called "papers please" section. Requires police to check the
immigration status of detained people who they suspect in the country
illegally. And although Democrats worry this portion of the law could lead
to racial profiling, they`re not losing sight of today`s partial victory.
The President said quote, "I am pleased the Supreme Court has struck down
key provisions of Arizona`s immigration law. A patchwork of state laws is
not a solution to our broken immigration system. It`s part of the
Joining me now is Congresswoman Loretta Sanchez, a democrat from
California. And Telemundo anchor Jose Diaz-Balart. Thank you both for
being here tonight.
JOSE DIAZ-BALART, TELEMUNDO ANCHOR: Thank you.
REP. LORETTA SANCHEZ (D), CALIFORNIA: Hello, Reverend. Hello, Jose.
How are you?
SHARPTON: Fine. Congresswoman, let me start with you. What`s your
reaction to the ruling today?
SANCHEZ: Well, for the most part, it upholds what many of us have
been saying and that is that we shouldn`t have to carry around a national
ID. That it`s wrong to stop somebody with sort of a profiling instance to
try to deport them. So, to a large extent, I think the ruling is pretty
SHARPTON: Now, Jose, the Governor of Arizona claimed a victory, yet
some feel that she`s trying to save face. Clearly those that had rallied
around SB-1070 as a state`s rights were defeated. But it does leave the
door open for possible racial profiling. Is that not right?
BALART: Well, it`s certainly a possibility, Reverend. And let me
just tell you something. I don`t think we could minimize what 2-B, section
2-B really represents. For 380,000 undocumented immigrants that live and
make Arizona their home. Many have children there. Have roots there.
Have established homes and have participated in the local schools and their
communities and have been an integral part of that society for many years.
We`re talking about 380,000 people who right now are being told that as of
today, officers have the legal right to -- if you`re stopped because you`re
going five miles over the speed limit or you have a busted taillight that
they can ask for your papers. And if you don`t have opportunity to show
and prove that you are legal, you are on your way out.
That we cannot minimize. And you know what? It`s important to talk
about the political ramifications of this. But let`s remember that what
happens in Arizona could very well also be what was going to happen in
Alabama and in Georgia and in Utah. And in so many other states that are
looking at 1070 and looking over at what the Supreme Court says about 1070
and deciding how to kind of tailor make their laws to be within the
boundaries of what the Supreme Court says is legal.
SHARPTON: No, no, I think that`s clearly right. Because
Congresswoman, many of us that protested, I among them, 1070 in Arizona was
concerned about the racial profiling.
SANCHEZ: And I appreciate that, Reverend. I appreciate you went out
and you said that it was wrong. I want to remind people that for awhile
we`ve had programs at the federal level that say that if you are stopped
for something else and taken in to be booked in local jails, we usually
have an immigration agent there, a part of the federal government, that
does take a look at whether you are here with the right paperwork or not.
So that piece has existed. What was really scary about Arizona was that
people could be stopped at any point.
SANCHEZ: People who, I mean -- I don`t sometimes carry around
identification that would prove that I`m an American citizen. And more
importantly what we have seen from some people in Arizona who are in law
enforcement is that they purposely target people who look, if you will,
Mexican. And they know they don`t have paperwork on them. I mean, again,
people don`t necessarily carry around -- we don`t have a national ID card.
It`s part of really what it is to be American. And they have taken them
and deported them.
In some cases, people who have been deported have been legal
residents. They`ve been citizens. So the scariest pieces of that law have
been deemed unconstitutional. But it still says to what extent and how
minor is somebody going to be looking at your taillight broken, et cetera.
What is the minor offense that some of these overzealous people will do to
stop you, say that they`re doing a legitimate stuff and at the same time
target you for papers, target you for deportation nap is still a scary
SHARPTON: Now, Jose, let me ask you this. I was a little taken aback
by Justice Scalia. He issued really what ended up being a scathing decent.
And he hammered away at the president of the United States on his
immigration policy. He says, if securing its territory in this fashion is
not within the power of Arizona, we should cease referring to it as a
sovereign state. Very strong language. Then he goes on to say, the
President said in a news conference that the new program is the right thing
to do in light of Congress` failure to pass the administration`s proposal
provision of immigration act. Perhaps it is.
Though Arizona may not think so. But to say as the court does that
Arizona contradicts federal law by enforcing applications of the
immigration act that the President declines to enforce boggles the mind.
Which is really, really startling. Because he`s addressing things that
have nothing to do with the decision. I mean, it`s almost unheard of for a
Supreme Court justice in a descent to go after a president, a sitting
president of the United States by name as well as the fact that he says
that we should cease referring to Arizona as a sovereign state if this is
the case. Real strong language.
BALART: Yes. I agree, Reverend. And I`ve got to tell you. I`m not
an attorney, but I`ve got to tell you. I don`t recall in recent years when
the Supreme Court uses their statements on law to include political
statements of one stripe or the other. I will say this, Reverend.
Separate from the issue of what the magistrate said, I think that the lack
of political will in Washington by both Republicans and Democrats to put
forth a serious proposal on immigration reform, one that could be
bipartisan, one that could be at least discussed in an open manner without
using harsh language, the lack of leadership -- that vacuum that has
existed for many years now in Washington, D.C. is what permits the SB-1070s
of the world to arrive, is what permits the HB-56 of the world to arrive.
And if Democrats and Republicans and the congresswoman that you have
on your show tonight is a perfect example of someone who is willing to
reach across the aisle to talk to Republicans and to try to get something
done on immigration reform. But unfortunately these people are in the
minority both in the republican and Democratic Party. You know why?
Because when they could do it, they didn`t do it. And the Republicans have
been stonewalling this issue for many years.
SHARPTON: Congresswoman Loretta Sanchez and Jose Diaz-Balart, I`ve
got to go. Thank you so much for your time tonight.
SANCHEZ: Thank you.
BALART: Thank you.
SANCHEZ: Thank you.
SHARPTON: She`s been bullied, mocked, and abused. And tonight, bus
monitor Karen Klein is here live to tell us how she`s doing and what she
makes of the apologies from some of the boys who bullied her.
SHARPTON: It was the story that got America talking. A 68-year-old
grandmother heartlessly bullied on a bus by middle school kids. Now people
across the country are showing their support. More than $650,000 sent to
her. Karen Klein joins us live here in the studio to talk about it next.
SHARPTON: We`re back with the story captivating the nation and
sparking a call for civility in America. More than seven million people
have watched that disturbing video of a school bus monitor being brutally
bullied by seventh grade students. The students relentlessly attack 68-
year-old Karen Klein on their way home from school.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED STUDENT: Karen, you`re fat.
UNIDENTIFIED STUDENT: You`re so fat. You take up like the whole
UNIDENTIFIED STUDENT: Oh my God. Your glasses are all foggy from
your frigging sweat, you fat (bleep).
UNIDENTIFIED STUDENT: Dude, put those glasses back on. I can`t stand
looking at your face.
UNIDENTIFIED STUDENT: Look at all this flub over here.
KAREN KLEIN, BUS MONITOR BULLIED BY STUDENTS: Unless you have
something nice to say, don`t say anything at all.
UNIDENTIFIED STUDENT: How about you shut the f (bleep) up?
UNIDENTIFIED STUDENT: Karen, are you sweating? You`re not sweating.
UNIDENTIFIED STUDENT: Why is there water on your face?
KLEIN: I`m crying.
UNIDENTIFIED STUDENT: If I stabbed you in the stomach, it would by my
(bleep) would go through you, like butter because it`s all (bleep) lard.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SHARPTON: No matter how many times I see it. It`s still tough to
watch. But her story is bringing out the best in others. An online
fundraiser to send Karen on a vacation has raised more than $650,000.
Joining me now is Karen Klein, the bus monitor in that video. Karen,
first of all, thank you so much for coming on the show tonight.
KLEIN: Hi, how are you?
SHARPTON: All right. I`m fine. Now, tell me. What`s the reaction
to all the donations that`s been coming in that started the night there to
send you on a vacation and look at this reaction.
KLEIN: It`s so unbelievable. I feel like it`s not me this is
happening to. You know? It`s like -- it`s how do you say? Out of body
SHARPTON: Out of buddy experience.
SHARPTON: What are you going to do with all the money?
KLEIN: Different things. Yes. I need to pay off my bills.
KLEIN: So then I can retire. You know, because then there will be
enough money. I`ll probably -- well, I`ve been given some vacations too.
And my younger granddaughter has down syndrome and I have a grandson that
has autism. So probably donate, you know, to those causes.
SHARPTON: To autism and Down syndrome causes. Now, take me back to
that morning. What exactly happened? We saw the video, but what started
KLEIN: I don`t know. And it wasn`t the morning. It was the
SHARPTON: It`s an afternoon. OK.
KLEIN: Let me think. Maybe it was in the morning. I thought it was
SHARPTON: Afternoon. No, all right.
KLEIN: Now I don`t know when it happened.
SHARPTON: But I mean, they just started this --
KLEIN: I was in the back of the bus like I had been. And to make
sure that they`re not jumping up and down and, you know, whatever they like
to do. They have not been that bad. I mean, they`ve been insulting a few
SHARPTON: But nothing like this before?
KLEIN: No. No. And I don`t even know what got them started. I
don`t know if they planned it ahead of time or what.
SHARPTON: Now, you seemed stunned. You even started crying at one
KLEIN: Well, I hate to disappoint everybody, but I wasn`t crying.
SHARPTON: What were you doing?
KLEIN: I was sweating. You know, I took my glasses off.
SHARPTON: But you told them you were crying hoping it would make them
stop in the video? What were you saying there?
KLEIN: Well, I said a few things that weren`t that bad because, you
know, I didn`t think anything would help what they were doing. So, I
didn`t even tell my driver. I mean, it`s not his fault. He can`t hear.
SHARPTON: Right. Because you`re in the back. Well, I can see your
shock. What do you make of these apologies? Two of them have apologized.
What do you think of the apologies?
KLEIN: I would like to see them eventually.
SHARPTON: You see the -- because I`m showing the letters that two of
them sent. You`d like to see.
KLEIN: Yes. I mean -- actually, I didn`t see the letters themselves.
KLEIN: I saw it printed on paper. But I don`t know if they`re truly
sorry. I hope they are. But I`m not sure.
SHARPTON: What kind of apology would you have wanted to see or hear
from them to make you feel they really are truly sorry?
KLEIN: I would like them to tell me why. Why? What did I do? You
know? Why don`t -- why so nasty?
SHARPTON: Do you think they should be punished?
KLEIN: Well, yes. They have to have something otherwise all kids
will think oh, I can do that.
KLEIN: You know, and there`s too much bullying. Too much.
SHARPTON: We threw it out to our Facebook fans what kind of
punishment they thought the kids deserved. Amaya said, make them do
community service in a nursing home for at least a year. Jewel said, they
should be banned from riding the bus. I mean, what do you think of these
kinds of ideas?
KLEIN: Well, that`s what I said. The bus banning and no sports
because that`s what some of them like.
SHARPTON: So take away something they like.
SHARPTON: Make them feel a penalty for doing something. Well, if
nothing, I certainly hope that that it is encouraging to all of us to see
these kinds of people come through with the donations. And I think that it
has really brought about a real discussion of civility in the country. All
of us were touched by it. Sorry it had to happen to you. I`m glad there
are good people in the country.
Karen Klein, thank you so much for your time tonight. And enjoy your
KLEIN: You`re welcome. OK. Take care.
SHARPTON: Coming up, more than 2,000 people convicted as juveniles
are behind bars for life. But there`s a new way forward today. And it`s a
big step for justice. That`s next.
SHARPTON: Finally tonight, a major ruling today from the Supreme
Court that we haven`t talked about yet and we need to. The court ruled
that states may not issue mandatory sentences of life in prison without
parole for juvenile offenders. In a five-four ruling, the justices said,
mandatory sentences violated the constitution`s ban on cruel and unusual
punishment. In her majority opinion, Justice Elena Kagan argued that
children can`t always be tried as adults because they often lack maturity
and a proper sense of responsibility.
Four justices dissented including Chief Justice John Roberts who wrote
the dissenting opinion. The court shouldn`t be making exceptions based on
someone`s age. Justice Alito said, the ruling could lead to young
murderers getting released and killing again. And I respectfully disagree.
In no way am I condoning what these children did. They should all be
punished, but you must consider outside factors when making these
Children are not the same as adults and shouldn`t always be treated as
if they are. There is a difference between punishing someone for their
acts and an understanding that some do not understand the gravity of their
acts and some are not mature enough for us to say they cannot be reformed
I think the court`s decision was close in the vote, but it was nowhere
near close to being wrong. I think that we cannot have children treated at
the same level that we treat mature adults who know clearly what they`re
Thanks for watching. I`m Al Sharpton. "HARDBALL" starts right now.
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