'The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell' for Tuesday, April 16th, 2013
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THE LAST WORD WITH LAWRENCE O`DONNELL
April 16, 2013
Guests: Bill Forry, Ed Markey, Dr. Lyle Micheli, Meghan McDonald, Bill
Baker, Bill Forry
LAWRENCE O`DONNELL, HOST: Tonight, we are live in Boston with new
pictures of the moment the carnage began and new clues in the investigation
and new stories of the heartbreak of those killed, including the 8-year-old
boy happily growing up on the same streets where I grew up.
AGENT RICHARD DESLAURIERS, FBI SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE: There are no
claims of responsibility. The range of suspects and motives remains wide
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who was behind twin bombings at the Boston
DESLAURIERS: Someone knows who did this.
TOM MENINO, BOSTON MAYOR: Here we know our neighbors, we grieve for
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Victims were taken to six are hospitals.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Three people dead.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: More than 176 injured.
MENINO: That little boy from Dorchester.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That 8-year-old boy from Dorchester is Martin
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Eight-year-old Martin Richard is among those who
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The second person killed has just been
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Twenty-nine-year-old Krystle Campbell.
UNIDENTIFIED FEAMLE: Krystle Campbell of Medford, Mass.
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The American people
refused to be terrorized. The FBI is investigating it as an act of
ANDREA MITCHELL, MSNBC ANCHOR: The FBI intelligence agencies are
involved in an intensive search for evidence.
GOV. DEVAL PATRICK (D), MASSACHUSETTS: Two and only two explosive
devices were found.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They were crudely made. They appear to have been
assembled inside a pressure cooker.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A very, very common type of explosive.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Includes a low powered explosive.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was loud. It was really, really loud and
then people -- chaos everywhere.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was pandemonium. Everybody started running
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You could run in any direction.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In the past 24 hours, this city of Boston has
shown its strength and determination.
MENINO: Here we know our neighbors, we grieve for them. We know our
heroes, also. Boston will overcome.
O`DONNELL: Tonight, here in Boston, we are learning much more about
the investigation of yesterday`s explosions on Boylston Street.
Investigators say the bombs were pressure cookers containing shrapnel
hidden in backpacks or nylon bags likely detonated by timers. Fragments of
black nylon were found at the bomb sites possibly from the bags that held
Investigators have also found pieces of what they believe to be BBs
and very small nails thought to be the shrapnel from the bombs along with
what they think are pieces of a pressure cooker used in making one of the
In all, three people were killed and at least 176 people are now
counted as injured in the attacks, 71 of them are still in the hospital
tonight, 24 of those people are in critical condition. At a press
conference this evening, the FBI, again, asked for the public`s help.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DESLAURIERS: There were no claims of responsibility. The range of
suspects and motives remains wide open. Importantly, the person who did
this is someone`s friend, neighbor, co-worker or relative. We are asking
anyone who heard someone speak about the marathon or the date of April 15th
in any way that indicated that he or she may target the event to call us.
Someone knows who did this.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O`DONNELL: We are learning more about the victims tonight. One who
was killed, it turns out was a graduate student at Boston University, who
is a Chinese citizen, according to the Chinese consul. The victim`s name
has not been released.
Twenty-nine year-old Krystle Campbell was originally from Medford, a
suburb of Boston. She worked as both a fitness coach and restaurant
manager. Her mother spoke briefly to reporters this afternoon.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
PATTY CAMPBELL, DAUGHTER KILLED IN BOMBINGS: We are heartbroken at
the death of our daughter Krystle Marie. She was a wonderful person.
Everybody that knew her loved her. She loved her dogs. She was a daddy
girl. She had a heart of gold. She was always smiling. You couldn`t ask
for a better daughter.
We can`t believe this has happened. She was happy in everything she
did. It doesn`t make any sense.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O`DONNELL: Eight-year-old Martin Richard loved playing soccer, hockey
and baseball, loved riding his bike. He did all those things in the places
I did those things when I was 8 years old. The very same neighborhood in
the Dorchester section of the Boston.
Tonight, at Garvey Park, the neighborhood gathered in a candle light
vigil for Martin Richard. At that vigil, I saw many old friends and had
the chance to speak to a mother and daughter who knew Martin Richard.
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O`DONNELL: You did your first communion with Martin. Did you do it
at St. Ann`s?
UNIDENTIFIED GIRL: Yes, I used to be in his class, too.
O`DONNELL: You were in his class in school? It must be hard to
believe that this happened?
UNIDENTIFIED GIRL: Yes, it really is. I can`t believe it happened.
O`DONNELL: So, all the kids who knew Martin are talking about this
and how hard it is?
UNIDENTIFIED GIRL: Yes. Really sad.
O`DONNELL: What do you most remember about him?
UNIDENTIFIED GIRL: I remember that he`s -- he likes to play flag
football, I know that.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There`s a lot of neighborhood people that were
there. You know, family, friends, everybody were all right there. It just
went quick. Everybody knew, you know, everybody`s e-mail and text
messaging. (INAUDIBLE) talking to parents just because it is such a close
neighborhood, you know. They were a wonderful family.
So -- I just -- it`s terrible.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O`DONNELL: I`m joined now by Bill Forry, the managing editor and
publisher of "The Dorchester Reporter".
Bill and I took a walk through the neighborhood this afternoon
including the street where Martin Richard lived. We have some video of
some of what we saw today.
O`DONNELL: Bill, we`re here in the Porter Square (ph) where
Bostonians knows where Ashmont Station, it used to be my subway station, T
Station here in Boston.
Twenty-five hours ago, that clock stopped. Tell us about that.
BILL FORRY, DORCHESTER REPORTER: Well, the clock stopped because
people from this neighborhood came down here and stopped this clock. It
stopped because people either wanted to show what that event did to this
O`DONNELL: That`s the time of the explosions yesterday.
FORRY: Two-fifty yesterday. This was done as a gesture of the black
(INAUDIBLE) that`s on the clock as well, because the Richard family helped
make this square area, this Ashmont Station area what it is. Bill and his
wife Denise, Denise was severely injured, their son, of course, Martin,
lost his life and their little daughter.
So, this was a gesture by the people of this neighborhood to say our
lives have stopped. As of 2:50 yesterday.
O`DONNELL: They live right around the corner from where we are
standing now. This will be their neighborhood for getting something to
eat. Everyone around here knows these people. It`s always been that kind
of neighborhood where anybody within walking distance of here knows
everybody else. You have a son who is a year older than Martin and they
are in the same sports leagues.
FORRY: They went to the same school for awhile. Martin was in jump
ball, the second Catholic Academy with my son and they played in different
leagues together. The thing about the Richard family, there`s five of
them, of course, you never see them without them all together. At the
soccer field, the church, going to school. They moved as a unit.
And, you know, that`s what we are going to feel right away here in
this community is not seeing them together. So, you know, the devastation
is felt. I know the country is feeling it. Here in this immediate
neighborhood, the level of grief is intense right now.
You know, this square that we are standing in, Bill Richard and Denise
literally designed this square with a group of neighbors, but they were the
leaders of it. Bill Richard came here when they settled here and
immediately got involved in making this a better place.
The buildings behind us, the Ashmont Station which you --
O`DONNELL: Looks a little different from when I was using it.
FORRY: A whole lot better. These folks came in here and made a
difference by galvanizing the community behind it. They have been the
leaders. For them to suffer this kind of grievous loss is just a
heartbreaker for all of us.
O`DONNELL: And Bill Richard is an architect. That`s how he helped in
cleaning up of the square. This used to be on the dumpier side, I have to
say, I have to admit that.
FORRY: Yes, they used to call it gritty and rough. It`s Dorchester,
this is who we are. We have a bit of everything here.
This is, as you know light years better than it was used to be here.
It`s a place people want to come from all points of the compass, to go the
Ashmont grill, restaurant, any other stores around here, it`s destination.
That family helped make it that way.
O`DONNELL: And Bill is the only member of the family who wasn`t
injured. There`s another son --
FORRY: Actually, they were all there as spectators, Lawrence. They
go to the marathon because they are avid runners. This year, Bill didn`t
compete, he was there watching with the kids and Denise. I don`t know how
Bill escaped injury.
But there were other people there from the neighborhood in the same
vicinity who had lesser wounds or escaped unscathed. So, it was such a
random thing of who got hurt. and, Unfortunately, of course, Martin`s
injuries were too severe.
O`DONNELL: The little girl in the family --
O`DONNELL: What do we know about Jane`s injuries?
FORRY: Well, we know she`s lost her leg. Beyond that, I`m not sure.
O`DONNELL: Take it easy.
FORRY: I`m not sure. She`s lost her leg.
O`DONNELL: And what about Denise, the mother. What do we know?
FORRY: We understand that she had some head injury. She`s -- her
condition has been upgraded. So, we are optimistic she`s going to pull
O`DONNELL: Dorchester is having a wake today.
FORRY: Yes. We`ll be having one the next few days. Tonight, there`s
a candle light vigil as you know. Yeah, the community is going to -- I
have no question, I know you don`t, either.
This community is going to be there for these folks. They already
are. You know, there`s no question this is going to be -- you know,
there`ll be some silver lining to this some day. We don`t see it yet, but
this community, for sure is going to take care of its own. No question.
O`DONNELL: Bill, on our walk around the neighborhood today, we walked
down the street that the family lives on, didn`t take the cameras down
there respecting their privacy. But it is a temporarily changed
neighborhood. And I say temporarily because when I was on the same streets
decades ago, it looked exactly the same. There is a stability to that
place that is really remarkable.
FORRY: It`s families like the Richard family that have kept it that
way. I mean the social life of Dorchester revolves around churches and
schools. But it revolves around families like the one that Bill and Denise
Richard created and just what they bring to the table as individuals and as
a family. You know, we can`t replace them now. We are going to grieve and
we are going to mourn right now but we`ll be back as a neighborhood fully.
I think you saw that tonight at Garvey Park. I think there was more
than 2,500 or 3,000 people there. That`s the place where Martin played
football. You know, there are going to be kids out there tomorrow playing.
So, as a community, we are already starting the healing process.
Right now, our job is rally around this family, give them their space to
heal themselves and pray for Denise and pray for Janie. They are both
still in the hospital, obviously. The community and the nation is at their
O`DONNELL: And in addition to what went on, the public vigil at the
Garvey Park, down the street, there was a private gathering for the family
at a gathering place there. I saw people going to that earlier in the
O`DONNELL: Was Bill at that, do you know? Were any family members?
FORRY: I don`t believe so. There were grief counselors there for
local folks, and not just children, but adults who obviously are hurting.
This is a family that is actively part of that Ashmont-Adams neighborhood,
as they call it. They would typically be at that meeting hall for civic
meetings every month.
Tonight, it was other people who had to fill that room.
O`DONNELL: Bill Forry, stay with us, please.
Coming up next, the latest on the investigation and the clues the FBI
says they now have. Congressman Ed Markey will join us.
And later, an exclusive interview with a doctor who was treating
people at the finish line right after the blast as well as a nurse from an
O`DONNELL: "Time" magazine has released this cover for their tablet
edition. And "Sports Illustrated" released their new cover.
Up next, the new information on the investigation when we continue
live from Boston. We`ll be joined live by a doctor and nurse who helped
treated the injured yesterday. And Congressman Ed Markey will also join
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DESLAURIERS: Among items recovered are pieces of black nylon which
could be from a backpack and fragments of BBs and nails possibly contained
in a pressure cooker device. Both of the exclusives were placed in a dark
colored nylon bag or backpack. The bag would have been heavy because of
the components believed to be in it.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O`DONNELL: That was Richard Deslauriers, special agent in charge of
the FBI`s Boston division.
Tonight, "The Associated Press" obtained this image from an FBI and
Department of Homeland Security joint bulletin issued to law enforcement.
It shows the remains of a pressure cooker the FBI says was part of one of
the detonated bombs. The bulletin also includes this image of an exploded
The FBI is also examining photos like this from NBC affiliate, WHDH.
It shows the marathon route before the second bomb detonated. Here is a
picture of the same location after the second bomb detonated. Sources tell
NBC News tonight that the triggering mechanism appears to have included a
battery pack and a circuit board, elements of a sophisticated triggering
mechanism. Both of those elements were recovered at the scene.
Joining me now is Congressman Ed Markey of Massachusetts.
Congressman Markey, one of the people killed, Krystle Campbell at
Medford, is actually from your district?
REP. ED MARKEY (D), MASSACHUSETTS: Yes, she is. And that is a good
indication this goes beyond the city of Boston.
O`DONNELL: Oh, it does.
MARKEY: This is all of Massachusetts. There are tens of thousands of
runners but there`s a million people watching the marathon.
As a result, every single family knows someone who was here yesterday.
So, this is a very special day each year for the whole state.
So, Krystle Campbell from Medford is just somebody that is part of the
larger Massachusetts family. They were all grieving tonight.
O`DONNELL: And everywhere you go today, you see the faces of sadness.
There`s not a place where you can look where you don`t see people who are
MARKEY: No. This is -- this is something that hit us just 12 years
ago. Mohammad Atta and the other nine --
O`DONNELL: The planes originated from here.
MARKEY: They hijacked two planes with 150 people on those two planes
that flew into the World Trade Center. The memorial is over here, 50 yards
away and thousands of people walking past it remembering those 150 people
and those that were injured or lost their life yesterday.
O`DONNELL: There is a similar feel here today to the feel that you
got at Logan airport in Boston after 9/11, the people working there, the
people who sent those planes into the air. There was a -- you could see
that they were attached to that tragedy in a way that wasn`t going to go
MARKEY: No, this is now a part of the personality of Boston.
Sometimes Boston is forgotten as part of the story because so many people
died in New York City.
MARKEY: But 150 people here as well. It was seared into the memory
of every single person from Boston and Massachusetts. And Mohammed Atta
and the others, they hijacked those two planes just one mile away.
And now, this incident occurs just a couple hundred yards down this
street as well. So, it does -- it brings us together as the Bay State, as
a commonwealth and we really do feel that unity today.
O`DONNELL: In a situation like this, there`s a demand on you from two
directions. One is what do you say in effect this wake we are having in
Boston, Massachusetts and what do you say as a public official with
responsibilities to make sure that the FBI, obviously as they are and all
the authorities doing the jobs they need to do now?
MARKEY: Well, you know, we also celebrated Patriots` Day yesterday.
And Captain John Parker (ph) said, do not fire until you see the whites of
their eyes. That`s how everyone feels.
We want these people apprehended. We want every single thing done to
bring them to justice. And we share that emotion with a sadness, but we do
want justice and we feel post-9/11, the country rallied behind us and what
happened here. The same thing is happening now, but we want for all of
these families to make sure they know we will remember them and we will
remember what happened to their family member and we will make sure that
these people are apprehended.
O`DONNELL: When I was at the Garvey Park earlier tonight in
Dorchester, you could see grandparents, parents holding those 8-year-olds,
holding those kids tighter. Everybody here is having that feeling, it
could have been us.
MARKEY: It could have been anyone. There`s a member of my staff that
was only three minutes from finishing the marathon. They stopped her so
she could have been running by. Her sister stopped because she had a bit
of a cramp but she could have been there. Her mother was waiting two
So, I think everyone has a story like that today. Everyone knows
someone who could have just been taking the walk to go past that finish
line. It is uniting everyone in the state.
O`DONNELL: To the investigation, it seems they are keeping us up to
date on everything that they know that they can release to us. What do you
expect as this investigation unfolds?
MARKEY: Well, I talked to Janet Napolitano this afternoon. She told
me that there is total cooperation. We have learned a lot --
O`DONNELL: I think you can see it on the stage when the FBI, Boston
police commissioner came out, the mayor, the governor, it really seems to
MARKEY: You know, I served on the Homeland Security Committee for
seven years and I tell you, we were not ready for 9/11, no one was ready.
We are ready now. I think the surveillance cameras, the kind of
acuity of everyone that knows they were part of a crime scene is all going
to be brought to the floor. I think at the federal, state and local
But citizens as well. If you are someone that was part of the
perpetration of this crime, you should be very worried because I think that
everyone is going to be united in using every bit of law enforcement
technology to track you down.
O`DONNELL: Do you think that Washington has a role beyond the
president simply saying as he has done, ordering everybody into maximum
cooperation and high gear here?
MARKEY: Well, the president is going to visit here. I think he has
that role, as well. I think it`s going to be very meaningful to the people
O`DONNELL: Thursday morning.
MARKEY: In Massachusetts, yes.
O`DONNELL: Cathedral right over here.
MARKEY: Cathedral of the Holy Cross and it`s going to mean the world
to the state that he is here. I think just lifting people`s spirits,
giving them some hope for the future. I think that`s the message in
addition to ensuring everyone that he is going to direct this crime
investigation that his administration will ensure someone is caught. That
we mourn those who are lost, but we are also hopeful for the future and I
think he knows how to deliver that message.
O`DONNELL: We`ve got a lot of plaques, and monuments and statues in
this town but I don`t think we`re going to need anything to remind us of
what happened just down the block on the street.
MARKEY: We will remember it every Patriots Day for eternity. That
will be the day that we remember. We honor those who passed away as we
celebrate the marathon and the Red Sox playing that morning. There will be
that third thought now that is in everyone`s mind as they wake up on
O`DONNELL: Congressman Ed Markey, thank you very much for joining us.
MARKEY: Thank you.
O`DONNELL: Appreciate it. Thank you.
Coming up next, a nurse and a doctor who treated patients right here
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DR. GEORGE VELMAHOS, MASSACHUSETTS GENERAL HOSPITAL: I have been
moved and, as a matter of fact, really amazed by the result of our
patients. I talked to some of them. I talked to some of the families.
They are really amazing people. Some of them woke up today with no leg,
and they told me that they are happy to be alive. They thought as these
things happened, they would -- they told me that they thought they would
die as they saw the blood spilling out. They thought that they would lose
their life right there and then.
As they woke up today from surgery and they saw they were not dead,
they feel extremely thankful. And some of them told me that they feel
lucky. It`s almost a paradox to see these patients without an extremity to
wake up and feel lucky. But that talks about our patients.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O`DONNELL: That was Dr. George Velmahos, chief trauma surgeon at
Massachusetts General Hospital, one of the five Boston hospitals treating
those injured yesterday. As of tonight, 71 patients remain hospitalized.
And about two dozen of them are in critical condition.
Joining me now for an exclusive interview, Dr. Lyle Micheli, director
of the Division of Sports Medicine at Boston`s Children`s Hospital, and the
finish line medical director of the Boston Marathon. He was on site
yesterday treating victims at the marathon. And Meghan McDonald, a
clinical nurse specialist in the emergency room at Massachusetts General
Doctor Micheli, tell me when you first knew that this was an explosion
and not just some strange noise?
DR. LYLE MICHELI, BOSTON CHILDREN`S HOSPITAL: When the first bomb
went off, we didn`t know quite what it was. We thought it might have been
some kind of a farce or something, a joke. When the second one, that`s
when we knew there was something going on. Then we ran over to the
barriers and started pulling them down. One young guy jumped over the top
and pulled the fence down from the other direction. Then we went into the
O`DONNELL: We have video of you and your crew running into that zone.
You ran straight to the sound of the danger. Did you know, as you were
running in that direction, there were injured people there? And were you
thinking about might another bomb go off?
MICHELI: We could see people lying on the sidewalk. So we knew there
was injuries. Yeah, I was concerned there might be another bomb there.
But you have to do what you have to do.
O`DONNELL: You just felt there could be danger for you, but you
didn`t have a choice.
O`DONNELL: You have been a physician in charge of the finish line
O`DONNELL: And you have seen all sorts of dehydrated athletes and
ankles and trouble coming across that finish line. But you suddenly had to
swing into action for something you absolutely were not prepared to do.
How ready did you discover your team to be under those circumstances?
MICHELI: I think people responded in a variety of ways. We had
tremendous help from some of the people that were running the race. I was
working on a woman and the fellow assisting me was a military officer who
was running the race. He came into the building. He was tremendous help.
We put a tourniquet on her leg with a running jacket and a piece of coat
O`DONNELL: What were the kind of injuries that you were seeing, that
you could see on the spot that you knew had happened?
MICHELI: They were mostly open fractures. There were bones sticking
out. There were leg injuries, injuries to the knee, mostly lower
extremity. We saw a couple of people who were obviously in a bad
O`DONNELL: Meaning, did you actually see dismemberment?
O`DONNELL: You could tell that`s what you were looking at. When --
at Mass General, there you are in the emergency room. When did you get the
first word that this had occurred and that patients were on their way?
MEGHAN MCDONALD, NURSE, MASS. GENERAL HOSPITAL: Probably less than 10
minutes after the first explosion we had our first patient in the emergency
room. We cleared out about 90 patients that we had previously been
treating throughout the day, with the help of the rest of the hospital. We
had trauma bays ready to go. Everybody in the hospital came down to give
us a hand. So we were ready.
O`DONNELL: And what was the flow like? How quickly were they coming
MCDONALD: At first, they came very quickly. We got about six
patients within the first 15 minutes or so. And then after that, it was
more of a watching and waiting game. The patients became more staggered at
that point. They were triaged to different areas of the emergency room,
different areas of the hospital in the disaster setting that we practice
multiple times a year in case of an event like this. We practice and we
hope we never have to use it. And unfortunately, we did.
O`DONNELL: And did the practice actually predict what you had to do?
Did you find yourself relying on it and discovering, yes, this idea works?
MCDONALD: Absolutely. We do it multiple times a year, both within
Mass General and with other hospitals in the city and first responders and
our police and fire departments. And you know, it`s that training that
really kicked in. We had the equipment. We knew what roles we needed to
take. We knew where we needed to send patients. And everybody worked
together so well.
I couldn`t be prouder to work with so many great people.
O`DONNELL: How much information were you getting on patients as they
were coming to the hospital?
MCDONALD: The only true CMET (ph) call was a pre-notification --was
the first patient, with injuries from an explosion and a partial amputation
of the lower extremity. Then after that, we`d get updates that said we had
two red patients or two yellow patients coming. That is the disaster code
level we use for the triage level.
O`DONNELL: Beyond that triage level, you don`t know until that
patient comes in, this is what we are dealing with.
O`DONNELL: How did you assemble enough physicians on the spot to --
and enough nurses to deal with it?
MCDONALD: We didn`t have to. I mean, everybody stepped in from
upstairs. We had surgeons from different areas of the hospital. We had
three cardiologists show up and just say, what can I do. We had nurses
that came in from home. We had doctors that came in from home. We had
nurses staying past their shifts, same as physicians. We had nurses coming
in early for their shifts. We had help from the nurses upstairs, who were
so great in taking all the patients that we were caring for all day,
without any difficulty, enabling us to care for everybody that came into
O`DONNELL: Doctor, how long were you out here on Boylston Street
MICHELI: We left about 7:00.
O`DONNELL: About 7:00. So about five hours from the time of the
MICHELI: Yes. We were going down. The runners had been diverted
down to the common. We went down there -- teams of us went down there to
make sure that everyone was OK. We had -- medical tent B was kept open by
the BAA. We evacuated medical tent A because of the threat of bombs around
there. We kept a small one open down here. And we triaged people into
O`DONNELL: And when -- how could you be satisfied? What were you
using as benchmarks for knowing we have gotten everyone or we believe we
have, as of this time, everyone that has been injured in this area?
MICHELI: Well, we had to evacuate the buildings. We got a -- a
policeman came in -- I remember there was about 15 minutes -- and said
there`s another bomb that`s been discovered. Let`s clear this building.
So we literally picked up the patients and carried them out of the
building, and then put them on wheelchairs and stretchers from there. But
we cleared the building pretty quickly.
And then once everyone was down in Medical Tent A, we started triaging
them. Boston EMS did a great job in that, level one, level two, level
three trauma. Then, once they were all shipped, we cleared the tent out
and evacuated it.
O`DONNELL: And at what point did you start to feel confident of your
MICHELI: I think that once we were out of the buildings and in the
tent. In the building, I wasn`t sure. We were nervous about that.
O`DONNELL: And what surprised you? The whole event was shocking and
surprising. But once you were carrying out what you knew you had to do,
what surprised you the most about what you had to do?
MICHELI: I was surprised at the number of injuries. Initially, I
thought maybe 20 or 30 people. Then when they started pouring into the
medical tent, it was evident that the second bomb, in particular, I think
was more powerful. Many more injuries occurred at the second event.
O`DONNELL: So as the count, the public count has gone up and up and
up in the last 24 hours, you weren`t surprised by that at all?
MICHELI: Not at this point, no.
O`DONNELL: What surprised you most about dealing with this? You have
practiced for this kind of thing. But when you had to deal with it, what
surprised you most about how you and everyone at Mass General did?
MCDONALD: Just the great amount of teamwork that went into it, from
the great job that Boston EMS and the first responders did, and all the
volunteers at the medical tent, and the care they provided to the patients
that enabled them to get to us.
O`DONNELL: What about the proximity of Mass General to this even and
the other hospitals, the proximity, how close they were? How much did that
MCDONALD: You know, Boston EMS was great at dispersing the patients
throughout the city so that no one emergency room was overwhelmed. I think
that was crucial, the proximity to the hospital for these people to get
O`DONNELL: Doctor, how confident were you on the street when you --
in your head, you know Mass General is over there, Brigham and Women`s is
over there. You know exactly how many miles away they are.
MICHELI: We are fortunate to have very close hospitals, very good
hospitals nearby. The whole system works well. I was very pleased.
O`DONNELL: Doctor Lyle Micheli and Meghan McDonald, thank you both
for what you did yesterday. And thank you very much for much for coming in
tonight and telling us about it. Thank you. Really appreciate it.
Coming up, later a reporter who was at the scene yesterday will share
the stories of what he saw and now how communities here are coming together
to deal with the aftermath.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: This was a heinous and
cowardly act. And given what we now know about what took place, the FBI is
investigating it as an act of terrorism. Any time bombs are used to target
innocent civilians, it is an act of terror.
We will find whoever harmed our citizens and we will bring them to
We also know this: the American people refused to be terrorized.
Because what the world saw yesterday in the aftermath of the explosions
were stories of heroism and kindness and generosity and love.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O`DONNELL: President Obama will come to Boston for an interfaith
service on Thursday morning. Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick
announced the interfaith service this morning at a press conference -- this
afternoon at a press conference.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GOV. DEVAL PATRICK (D), MASSACHUSETTS: We are going to have an
interfaith service. It will be at 11:00 on Thursday morning. It with be
at the Cathedral of the Holy Cross in the South End. I`m very pleased that
the president will join us for that to help us all heal.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O`DONNELL: Coming up next, a reporter who saw what happened here on
the street yesterday, and is also out there finding out how people are
coming together after the bomb explosion yesterday.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
NICHOLAS YANNI, VICTIM OF BOSTON MARATHON BOMBING: When you are
actually right there where the bomb did go off and you are seeing stuff you
don`t really care to see, yeah, it`s kind of hard to say, yeah, I`ll go
back and, you know, go to a crowded event or go to a place that`s being,
you know, publicized well and all that. I`m not saying that I wouldn`t go
back, but you definitely get a -- you are always going to have that fear
that something could go wrong.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O`DONNELL: That was Nicholas Yanni who was injured yesterday at the
Boston Marathon. He and his wife are being treated at Tufts Medical
Center. Joining me now, Billy Baker, a write for the "Boston Globe," who
went to the scene right after the bombings and Tweeted what he saw. Billy,
where were you when the bombings occurred?
BILLY BAKER, "BOSTON GLOBE": I was in the "Boston Globe" news room.
So we raced here. We were here within about 10 minutes, myself and, you
know, half of the Globe staff.
O`DONNELL: Just take me to that moment in the Globe news room, which
is a few miles over this way.
O`DONNELL: South Boston. This is obviously a gigantic event that`s
occurring in this room. How quickly did you know in the newsroom the scale
of what we were dealing with?
BAKER: I don`t think anyone knew. I think we just went. And it was
when we got here, there was some question as to what had occurred. But
immediately, we were seeing people who were being evacuated from the
immediate scene. It was easy to spot that they were covered in blood.
They were crying. That`s when we were first able to confirm that this
wasn`t an accident. This was an attack. The accounts were immediate of
missing limbs and a war zone scene.
So that`s when it went from a question to an answer as to what we are
dealing with here.
O`DONNELL: What were the most surprising things you saw here on
Boylston Street yesterday?
BAKER: There was sort of a numb chaos at first. It wasn`t a panic.
It was a -- no one knew what to do. No one knew where to go. You had so
many runners from out of town. You had so many people in this -- their
emotions were so crossed. The Boston Marathon is such a celebration of
human achievement. You had all these people who were about to achieve
something so remarkable. These were four hour marathoners. These were not
the elite runners, but those who had been training, who were running for a
charity, who maybe were overcoming something of their own.
And it was at that moment this thing occurred. And it was hard for
them not only to process what had occurred, but their body was in such poor
shape at that moment. They had done something more difficult than they`d
ever done with their body. Normally you have the exultation of the crowd
that will carry you along. That was taken from them.
And all of a sudden, there was this sort of confused emptiness and
just a where do we go, how do we stay safe? It wasn`t just the
marathoners. I mean, the police -- it was, we don`t know what`s going on,
but you just have to start moving away from here.
O`DONNELL: We all got our information in a variety of ways yesterday.
And last night, after the show, I found a Tweet in front of my Dorchester
Twitter followers who knew then that the eight-year-old boy who was killed
was from Dorchester. And I felt connected enough to the story before that
news. But you have been out there working that part of the story, too.
BAKER: Yeah, I spent the day in that community, around those who knew
the little boy. I went to a park near his school. And mostly to just get
away from the sad media scene around his house. And what I discovered were
his classmates had made a little mural out of chalk. These are third
graders. They were playing. They were starting to process. They
communicating with each other.
I witnessed a scene where one boy told another little boy what had
happened. A parent immediately stepped in and handed the second boy a
phone with his mother on the other end, like, you know, you are going to
need to start answering some questions of what`s occurred. But, you know,
the parents were sort of whispering. It was just not wanting to let on too
much. But as I stood back, I was watching third grade kids with freckles
and bad teeth sort of playing as if nothing happened, which is what they
should be doing on a nice day of April vacation.
Instead, everyone just really trying to process what had gone on. I
grew up in the community right next to Dorchester. And so I just knew that
this -- if there`s something that Dorchester does well, it`s to come
together as a family. We saw it immediately when news came out that it was
a Dorchester boy. We saw tonight at a vigil. We are seeing the community
go from a question of how can I help to how can I heal. I think people are
starting to come together to do that, to do that as a group.
O`DONNELL: And where do you think the community goes from here? The
president will come up and speak at the cathedral. That will be a national
event. It will have a national feel to it, I suppose, as well as a local
BAKER: I think where it`s going now is I`m starting to see the first
bits of anger. You know, this is a city that -- you know, most of the time
I wish it weren`t the case, but we are pretty good at being angry. We`re
pretty good at holding a grudge. You know, Boston is famous for its
reputation as being gruff. And I think that`s where we are going now.
I mean, there are no answers. There are a lot of questions. Not only
did they attack the city, attack this country, but they attacked something
so special for this -- for all of humanity, but for this city in
particular. I mean, the finish line at the Boston Marathon is a
celebration of human achievement. I was on the top of Heart Break Hill for
three hours before that, which is the highest point of the marathon route,
and just watching these people, you know, do something that they put so
much love and effort into.
I had a day of like goose bumps and that warm feeling in my stomach
that was just immediately wiped out by what had happened yesterday, but
also what they took from us maybe forever. I don`t know that it will ever
be as sacred as it is.
O`DONNELL: Thank you very, very much for joining us. I know you`ve
got a lot -- did you get any sleep last night?
BAKER: A little bit, yes.
O`DONNELL: OK. Thank you for joining us.
BAKER: Thank you.
O`DONNELL: We`ll be right back.
O`DONNELL: We`re back with Bill Forry, the managing editor of "The
Dorchester Reporter." Bill, your paper, small Dorchester paper, is in the
center of a worldwide story. You have contacts in the story that no one
else has. You have spoken to the principal, the headmaster of the charter
school that Martin Richard attended.
BILL FORRY, "DORCHESTER REPORTER" MANAGING EDITOR: Right.
O`DONNELL: What is it like? We were just hearing from Billy about
what is going on at that school today. How is he handling this with all of
the students there?
FORRY: I think the headmaster -- of course, it`s April school
vacation week. So many of the students aren`t in the building. But they
are opening up the school for parents as well as students to come in for
grief counseling. Kevin Andrews, the headmaster, told me that they are
getting extraordinary support from the school community, of course, but
also from the Boston Public Schools, the city of Boston, the mayor`s
office. They`re getting every resource they need in there.
O`DONNELL: And this school is central to the family`s life. Denise
the mother is the school librarian.
FORRY: That`s right.
O`DONNELL: Jane, who is the wounded daughter, is a first grader
there. She`ll be returning there. As you told us, she`s lost a leg.
O`DONNELL: So she`ll be returning there in a very different situation
FORRY: She will. But we expect that she`ll certainly return. And
the people who know this family best tell me, you know, Jane will be back.
She`s an Irish step dancer. She recently started it. It`s her passion at
the moment. They fully expect that she`ll be dancing again. It`s the kind
of girl she is. It`s the kind of family they are, and they kind of
neighborhood, as you know, we are. And it`s not going to stop.
So -- but Kevin Andrews was very clear that they need prayers right
now, the school community. Because not only have they lost Martin, but
temporarily have lost Denise and the young Jane. So they will be back.
O`DONNELL: And Bill, what do we know about Henry, the oldest son who
is 10 years old and the father, Bill Richard? How -- do we know anything
about what they are doing now?
FORRY: I think they are finding solace in some degree of seclusion
right now, and have asked for privacy. I think, for the most part, that`s
been respected. Certainly, we have respected that. We are not looking to
intrude on this at this moment. But they are getting the kind of support
they need from the community.
O`DONNELL: Bill, thank you very much for joining us today, this
afternoon, in the old neighborhood, and coming in tonight. Really
Chris Hayes is up next.
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