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August 2, 2013
Guests: Jim McDermott, Errol Louis, Annie Karni, Angela Rye, Karen Finney

REVEREND AL SHARPTON, MSNBC ANCHOR: Tonight`s lead, the national disgrace
that is today`s GOP. A party with an agenda that is immoral, unjust, and
un-American. Today house Republicans held their 40th vote to roll back
President Obama`s health care law. Every single GOP lawmaker voted for it,
voting to hurt health care and to take it away from millions of Americans.


congress, and now it has gone to something worse. It`s a make matters worse
Congress. We should not leave until we address the challenges that we face.


SHARPTON: That`s right. This makes matters worse, Congress. It is
celebrating by going on vacation for the entire month of August. And when
they get back, some of these Republicans may actually try to shut down the
government in order to kill Obama care. Today, we also got some shocking
news about the Republican plan for food stamps. They were already calling
for a $20 billion cut, which would kick about five million people off food
stamps. Now they want to double those cuts to $40 billion. It`s stunning.
These Republicans aren`t taking away money from big oil or big banks. They
are literally taking food away from the poorest among us, the least
fortunate. Don`t John Boehner, Eric Cantor and these other Republicans have
any shame at all? These cuts would be a massive human tragedy. This isn`t
about politics, this is about morality. It`s about doing what is right.
It`s what President Obama is fighting them every step of the way for.

Joining me now is congressman Jim McDermott, Democrat from Washington. And
Melissa Harris-Perry, host of the "Melissa Harris-Perry show" here on

First, thank you both for joining me.



SHARPTON: Congressman, I`m up in arms about this. You went to medical
school. How do you diagnosis this Obama care obsession among Republicans?

MCDERMOTT: Well, it reflects a moral implosion. There is nothing left of
their morality. They want to take away benefits which are already in place
from Obama care, which have been going on, putting your kids on until age
26. No more -- guaranteed issue. No more keeping people off because they
have some preexisting condition.

All of those things, they want to take away from people. They want to make
it worse. And then they turn around, and they`re talking now about this
whole business of repealing it totally with absolutely no alternative. They
have been here 16 years out of the last 18 years. We have never seen or
taken a vote on a Republican alternative. They are bankrupt.

SHARPTON: Never took a vote on an alternative Republican plan.

And on top of that, Melissa, Senator Marco Rubio was threatening to shut
the government down in order to defund Obama care. But check this out. He
tried to turn that around this week on FOX.


SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R), FLORIDA: Well, the one who is threatening to shut
down the government is the president and his Democratic allies. What they
are basically saying is unless the budget funds Obama care, they won`t
support it. They are basically saying that unless we fund Obama care, they
are willing to shut down the government. It`s their insistence on
continuing to pour money into this broken and failed experiment that is
threatening a government shutdown, not us.


SHARPTON: Now, you are the academician, I`m the preacher. So explain this
to me. If you fund what has already been passed as law, that`s natural. If
you move to defund it and you don`t defund it, they`re trying to shut it
down? How are they defunding -- I mean how are they shutting down
government by doing something that is already passed in law and upheld by
the Supreme Court?

HARRIS-PERRY: Well, it is also empirically false to say it is a failed
experiment. So Obama care has not fully been implemented yet. We are moving
into that implementation right now. And as the congressman is assaying, the
parts that have been implemented, the parts that have begun to take effect
have been wildly successful and popular. So the notion that this is a
failed experiment is simply false. And so when they say oh, pouring money
into it, what we have been pouring money into for about 40 years in this
country is a failed system of health care.


HARRIS-PERRY: That provides Cadillac coverage for people at the very top.
Very little or anything for folks at the bottom leaves these huge
disparities. And basically, undermines who we are as a nation.

SHARPTON: You know, congressman McDermott, though, I think that what
Melissa referred to in terms of the program going into effect, that is
really what has caused this fever with them. October 1st is coming, and t
program starts going into effect.

MCDERMOTT: They are in a panic, Al. They are absolutely in a panic that
it`s going to go into effect. And then the people are going to find out
what they have been told by Republicans is not true. Most of the propaganda
that they have been putting out about how bad it is and failed experiment
and all that stuff is simply not true. And they know when the people figure
that out, they`re never going to vote for a Republican again. They are
going to meet their waterloo.

SHARPTON: Well, they can find out every night watching "Politics Nation."

But Melissa, some right-wingers, some on the Republican party rather has
pushed back against this far right notion of shutting down government. Tom
Cole, the congressman says it`s suicidal. Senator Bob Corker says it`s
silly. Krauthammer says it`s nuts. The columnist, Richard Burr, the senator
says the dumbest idea I have ever heard of. I mean, so there is even some
division among Republicans with these far right advocates have shut the
government down.

HARRIS-PERRY: In fact, I think the divisions among the Republicans is the
key political question here. So look at the fact that Mitch McConnell is
going to be primary. Look at the fact that Lindsey Graham is going to be

SHARPTON: And a tough primary.

HARRIS-PERRY: Tough primaries like for folks who are leadership in this
party. At the same time, we saw a recent pew poll telling us that about 50
percent, a little over 50 percent of Republicans who were polled think that
this party should move farther to the right, believe that this party is
insufficiently conservative. So, I think exactly what you are seeing is
that in the gerrymander that they did in 2010, they have painted themselves
into corners of basically ridiculousness, right, the inability to governor
because they are so worried about the primary challenges from the right.

SHARPTON: Now talking about painting themselves in a corner of
ridiculousness, congressman McDermott, at a hearing on poverty this week.


SHARPTON: A GOP lawmaker actually seemed to blame religious groups for not
making the difference up.


SHARPTON: Between Republican cuts and food stamps. Watch this.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What is the church doing wrong that they have to come to
the government to get so much help?

charity. And that everyone has a right to eat. And therefore there is in
our position a government responsibility to ensure everyone`s capacity to


SHARPTON: I mean, was he suggesting that the church ought to be doing --
filling in the gap rather than government in taking care of citizens? And
doesn`t he understand the church gets its money from citizens that need the

MCDERMOTT: Well, you know, somebody pointed out in that hearing that every
church and every synagogue would have to come up with $50,000 every year to
replace what the government is presently doing. And they simply would be
taking it from their poor parishioners and doing it rather than doing it in
a way what would be for everybody in the whole country.

HARRIS-PERRY: I think it`s even more insidious than that. On the one hand,
yes, there is a government responsibility there is a social contract that
we are part of. But the only reason that the government`s responsibility is
so large right now is because the people who really have a requirement of
caring for others right now, private corporations paying a living and fair
wage to their employees, they`re the ones who have failed. So what we see
in this expansion of food stamps, for example, is these low wage jobs at
places like Walmart, McDonald`s and others.

SHARPTON: Which caused the workers this week.

HARRIS-PERRY: That`s right. So the workers have to take food stamps have,
to take section 8, have to take government assistance to fill the gap. So
we are not so much subsidizing poor households. We are subsidizing
multimillion-dollar corporations. They are paying their workers as little
as possible. The government is coming in and putting that floor underneath
them. And they are doing so in a way that then allows those folks at the
top of the corporations to have huge profits.

SHARPTON: And not only, Congressman, subsidizing them, but in some ways
bail them out, held them up, protect them with regulations, and protect
them with a tax structure. But, that`s fine. But to help poor Americans
that have built the country and doing well, that becomes something that the
church ought to do more for. Why doesn`t the church bail out the banks next

MCDERMOTT: You know, Al, when you start to talk about it and try and be
serious, it`s very hard, because they make no sense whatsoever. The
government exists because we need someone to deal with the common good and
make sure that everybody is taking care of. Health care, food, education,
and the private sector simply isn`t doing it. The government didn`t jump in
with food stamps because the church was doing such a good job. They jumped
in because nobody was doing the job.


MCDERMOTT: And we had people hungry.

SHARPTON: Now, when you look at Rush Limbaugh this week, Melissa, he summed
up the offensive views that some of these Republican lawmakers have about
the poor. Watch this because this is how a lot of them feel.


RUSH LIMBAUGH, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Everybody out of work is eating, and a
big screen TV, probably have a car, probably have a cell phone that they`re
using. And they got a place to live. Being out of work is not poverty. It
is true that the unemployed are eating. For 99-plus weeks and they`re
watching a big screen TV or some kind of TV.


SHARPTON: The unemployed are eating, 99 weeks, and they have big screen
TVs. Talk about stereotypes.

HARRIS-PERRY: Again, just saying things that simply aren`t true, which
typically we would call lies, right? It`s simply a lie. And again, the
truth is so much uglier. It`s not just that the unemployed are living in
poverty. It`s just not the children, but it`s that the people who work
full-time in this country are food insecure.

SHARPTON: Every day.

HARRIS-PERRY: Cannot feed their kids. And not because they`re not working.
But because we are not paying fair and livable wages in this country,
largely because of the attack on labor unions that have now depressed
everyone`s salaries.

SHARPTON: Congressman Jim McDermott and Melissa Harris-Perry, thank you
both for your time tonight.

And be sure to catch Melissa Harris-Perry on Saturdays and Sundays at 10:00
a.m. eastern time right here on MSNBC.

Coming up, Anthony Weiner`s staying in the race, and he is speaking out
about Hillary Clinton.


believe that she is annoyed.


SHARPTON: So what are the Clintons saying about his campaign?

Plus, roaring back into the spotlight, Sarah Palin is making noise again
and raising all kinds of money. But wait until you see what she is spending
it on.

And more ugly talk at a town hall meeting.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What y can do to stop these communist tyrannical
executive orders laid down by this foreign-born American-hating communist


SHARPTON: Why didn`t the Republican lawmaker push back? You will see why in
what`s on your mind. Got a question or comment about jobs, voting rights,
Palin, anything? Well, e-mail me. Friend or foe, I want to know. "Reply Al"
is coming up.


SHARPTON: The Republican congresswoman who wins our political gutless award
of the week. That`s next.


SHARPTON: Today, the hatred for President Obama see thing on the far right,
burst into public view. Check out how Republican congresswoman responded to
an offensive, outrageous question about our president at a town hall this


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What I need from you is to know what you can do, you and
your fellow noncommunist colleagues in the lower house, what you can do to
stop these communist tyrannical executive orders laid down by this foreign-
born American-hating communist despot. What can you do for me? We need to

REP. MARTHA ROBY, ALABAMA: So, thank you for your question. He said it loud
enough that you all heard it. Look, I can`t emphasize the oversight part of
my job enough.


SHARPTON: Republican Congresswoman Martha Roby smiled and laughed at a
voter describing the president as a, quote "foreign-born America-hating
communist." Where is the political courage? She laughed. Actually, I don`t
find that funny. Strange thing, though. Maybe her father does.

Meet judge Joel Dubini. He is the congresswoman`s father. And two years
ago, he ruled the president`s health care law was unconstitutional. I guess
you can say the apple doesn`t fall far from the tree. The supreme court, of
course, reversed that ruling. It`s all part of the twisted right-wing
mentality, the same far-right fringe we have seen in the halls of congress.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know whether Barack Obama was born in the United
States or not. I don`t know. But I do know this, that in his heart he`s not
an American. He`s just not an American.

REP. CLIFF STEARNS, FLORIDA: All I can tell you is that the general
consensus is that he has produced a birth certificate. The question is it

REP. VICKY HARTZLER, MISSOURI: I mean, if someone asks to me my birth
certificate, it`s in doubt, here it is.


SHARPTON: He wasn`t born here. He is a communist. Those are members of
congress. And that`s why they refused to work with him, even on the most
basic issues that we face, like creating jobs. Look at this before the
president came into office. Unemployment was skyrocketing in the Bush
recession. Under President Obama, a steady decline in the jobless rate.

And today the jobless rate fell once again to 7.4 percent, the lowest of
the Obama presidency. These are facts. Not fiction. Republicans need to put
their birther fantasies beside and behind them and focus on what is right
for the American people.

Joining me now is Jared Bernstein, former chief economist for vice
president and is with us tonight.

Thanks for coming on the show, Jared.


SHARPTON: Let me start with this, Jared, the jobs chart. When President
George W. Bush, whose father nominated this judge to the federal court by
the way, who made the ruling against health care, George Bush left office,

The private sector was shedding jobs month after month. After President
Obama, we n have had 41 straight months of private sector job growth. And
all that progress happened despite GOP obstruction and derangement. Is that

BERNSTEIN: Yes, that certainly is true. And by the way, if you drew a line
in that graph where the recovery act took place, you would actually see
that it was an inflection point that some of those numbers started to turn
right around that point. In other words, not only has the economy improved
as the recession recedes in the rear view mirror, but back when the
president took office, he was able to get some compromise out of members of
congress. He had more Democrats to work with back then as well and to apply
policies that actually helped.

Now, just this past week, the president went to Republicans and said I`ve
got a deal for you. I`m going to give you a big cut on the corporate tax
rate, something they have been asking for forever, in exchange for a
relatively small paid for so, it doesn`t increase the deficit jobs program.
And they basically said since you offered it to us, we`ll say no thanks.

SHARPTON: Now, when you look at the fact that the president is on a public
campaign, Jared, calling out their GOP budget cuts as harming the economy,
watch this.


insisted on leaving in place a meat cleaver called the sequester that has
cost jobs. It`s harmed growth. It`s hurt our military. It`s gutted
investments in education and science and medical research.


SHARPTON: And Jared, this week some Republicans are starting to agree with
the president. John McCain now says his vote for the sequester was the
worst he`s cast in many years. And GOP congressman Hal Rogers said the
sequester must be brought to an end. So there is some slight breakthroughs

BERNSTEIN: True. And by the way, Hal Rogers, who has been saying important
things about this is the chief Republican on the appropriations committee.
So the fact that the guy who is actually trying to take their budget and
squeeze it into these appropriations bills is saying it doesn`t work. I
think that`s a very significant thing.

Look, what you hear there is the president stating really a set of facts
that have been established independently. Just last week, the congressional
budget office -- and they`re nonpartisan. They really do shoot right down
the middle. They said if the sequester were to be ended by the third
quarter of next year, we would add another 900,000 jobs.

Now, they also said if you didn`t replace with back-loaded spending cuts
and tax increases of the type the president has put forth, that would be
problematic for the deficit in the outer years. But right now near term, to
help boost those jobs that you have seen be created, that`s the kind of
policies we need to pursue.

SHARPTON: All right, Jared Bernstein, thank you for your time tonight. Have
a great weekend.

BERNSTEIN: You`re welcome. You too.

SHARPTON: Coming up, Anthony Weiner is staying in the race, and he is
talking about Hillary Clinton today.

And what is Sarah Palin`s PAC spending its money on? You`ll want to see


SHARPTON: School`s out for one of the rising stars in the GOP. Congressman
Tom Cotton is expected to run for Senate next year. He is the guy who tried
to earn some right-wing credo when he made this ridiculous attack on
President Obama`s record on terror.


REP. TOM COTTON, ARKANSAS: It`s been over seven years after 9/11 under
George W. Bush, how many terrorists reached their target in the United
States? Zero. We need to ask why is the Obama failing in its mission to top
terrorism before it reaches its targets in the United States.


SHARPTON: Right. Except for 9/11, no attacks. Quite a record for Bush. Now
congressman cotton is making headlines again, this time for his hypocrisy.
He voted against a bill to make stent loans more affordable, despite the
fact that he took out student loans himself to help pay for Harvard law
school. It`s amazing. Student loans were great for cotton when he needed to
pay for his schooling, but students today don`t deserve the same help. It
doesn`t take a Harvard degree to point out that kind of hypocrisy.

Congressman, did you think we would give you a passing grade for this

Nice try, but we got you.


SHARPTON: To say it`s been another eventful week for Anthony Weiner is an
understatement. He faced a fresh round of tabloid puns and has been
pressured to quit. But today the candidate for New York City mayor is
starting to say enough is enough.


race and you asked me questions, I answered them. I answered them, you
know, as honestly as I could. And I was trying to put this thing behind me.
Now I`m asking you a question. Is there any question about this scandal
that you think hasn`t been asked? At what point do you think maybe this
conversation should be out something different?


SHARPTON: Another conversation Weiner wants to avoid is this one that was
asked today.


WEINER: A lot of people wouldn`t want to annoy their wife`s boss. But your
wife`s boss is Hillary Clinton. Does that add something extra to the
equation? And have you heard directly either from either Hillary or Bill?
No, not recently. And I don`t -- I have no reason to believe that she is


SHARPTON: But earlier this week, Politico reported the Clinton camp was,
quote, "done with him." Weiner`s wife Huma Abedin has worked for Hillary
Clinton since she was 19 and is said to be like a daughter to the Clintons.
"The New York Times" reports Abedin talked to Mrs. Clinton`s personal
spokesman before she publicly stood by her husband last week, and the
Clinton camp reportedly advised Abedin to stay out of Weiner`s latest
campaign ad.

The mayor`s race was already crowded in New York, but it seems like there
are at least two other huge names in this race.

Joining me now is Errol Louis, host of New York 1`s Road to City Hall, and
Annie Karni political reporter for The New York Daily News. Thank you both
for being here.

ERROL LOUIS, NY1`S ROAD TO CITY HALL: Good to see you, Rev.


SHARPTON: Errol, how closely do you think the Clintons are watching this
mayor`s race?

LOUIS: I think they`ve got to be watching it closely, in part because they
are political animals. This is the most important city in the country. They
live, you know, just a few miles north of here, and they`ve got some skin
in the game. They`ve got somebody who is very close to them, both
politically and personally who is in this limelight. So I think they`re
certainly watching it. Ironically, I think if Anthony Weiner were doing
better in the polls, they might be a little bit more concern than they have
reason to believe now. I mean --

SHARPTON: But is it also possible that they`re watching it because Mrs.
Clinton`s aide, who is Weiner`s wife is clearly there if Mrs. Clinton runs
for president, is the fear that this will bring back things that they want
to leave not discussed in terms of the Clintons?

LOUIS: No, I don`t think so. I mean, look, anybody who wants to dredge up
stuff from the 1990s about Bill Clinton, they have got all of the archival
footage that they would ever want to hear. I don`t think they would need
any kind of reminder the people who want to try and, you know, sort of dove
that with what is going to rapidly going to be 20-year-old information.

I think Anthony Weiner has to contend, though, not with the Clintons
themselves, but with their enormous entourage of followers and friends.


LOUIS: And those people look out for the Clintons` political interests
probably in some ways more seriously than they do themselves. And I think
we have seen reported quite a lot of blowback from those folks.

SHARPTON: Now, Annie, you`ve been following Weiner on the campaign trail. I
want to play one of the tough questions he has gotten from a voter this
week. Watch this.


UNIDENTIFIED MAN: I would like to know how can I trust you with my family
and my community when you can`t be trusted in your own family.

WEINER: It`s a fair question. I mean I don`t -- it`s a fair question. Look
-- you, sir, know some embarrassing things about me in my personal life.
That`s part of the cost of being an elected official, I guess. People look
into those things. I`m embarrassed by it. I`ve dishonored by wife. But sir,
I didn`t do anything to you.


SHARPTON: Is that a typical question he gets on the trail that you`ve been

KARNI: Yes. I think that everywhere he goes, at least one person brings it
up. But as you could hear in that clip, that guy got booed asking him that.
And that happens a lot.

SHARPTON: It does.

KARNI: That clip was in the Rockaways which is his old district.


KARNI: It was him going back. And he had a lot of support there. The guy
who asked the question got booed. People there, the sentiment was we`d
rather have a scandal-scarred candidate than someone who is never going to
come back here. And they at least in that community think that he would
come back.

SHARPTON: Yes. He seemed to have support. Because watch this.


WEINER: When you`re mayor, you`ve got to is people getting in your grill,
asking you tough questions. You know, I didn`t consider for a second
cancelling this event for me. I wouldn`t think of after that in a second
there hasn`t been a single one that I have.


Because if you want to be mayor of the city of New York, you`ve got to be
able to stand the heat.


SHARPTON: Now, he got applause there.

KARNI: He did.

SHARPTON: What do you hear from people that applaud him at these kinds of

KARNI: They`re reacting to his scrappy shtick that he is playing right now.
At that same event he called it nirvana when he is out at a subway stop and
someone is heckling him and another heckler is heckling the heckler. He
loves it. So I guess there are some people out there who are responding to
that. I think that he is definitely having a better response from them than
from the media, and more willing to answer those questions from
constituents than from reporters at this point.

SHARPTON: Now, Errol, this is a national growing, developing political
phenomenon because we have it in South Carolina. We have it here. Now the
mayor of San Diego. Are Americans becoming more tolerant, or at least
raising the bar on scandals than they might have done years ago?

LOUIS: You know, it`s an interesting question, Rev. And the question about
whether the bar is being lowered is an important one. I think that is why a
lot of people get up in these forums and say listen, we don`t want to see
this in our elected leaders. And let`s keep in mind. I mean, there is the
personal embarrassment that Anthony Weiner often talks about. But you know,
he did do a lot of things publicly, including lying to lots of people in
the media.

My channel, your channel, the Daily News and everybody else. And that is
public. And that is real and there are a lot of people who don`t want to
see that either. Maybe they think that if an elected official lies, we
should be done with him forever. And to the extent that that standard may
be changing, I think people are really concerned.

I don`t think we won`t really know until the next candidate comes forward
who has sexting and so forth in his past or her past, and we`ll see whether
or not the bar has been permanently lowered, or, you know, this is
uncharted territory. We don`t know how Anthony Weiner is going to fare on
September 10. And that`s going to be one of the things a lot of people are
looking for.

SHARPTON: Now, Annie, "The New York Times" says that Hillary Clinton`s
personal spokesman reacted when he heard about the latest scandal. He was
on a conference call with Mr. Weiner, and quote, I`m quoting the Times, "He
was enraged and proceed to berate Mr. Weiner, saying he would reach through
this phone and pull out his throat, adding an expletive." I mean, reading
that is hard to believe the Clintons aren`t at least annoyed.

KARNI: That was a great quote. It`s unbelievable that kind of reaction
behind the scenes. I think that from what I`ve heard they don`t -- there is
no gain to them from being involved in this, even if like what Errol said,
they`re not worried about the comparison. Why get involved? They can just
say nothing. The donors that are giving to Anthony`s campaign who are
Clinton friends for a long time can pull back.


KARNI: But there is just zero gain for the Clintons for saying anything or
getting involved in this mess.

SHARPTON: Errol, you are on top of things more than anyone I know in local
New York City politics, as well as you have national antenna. So just
between us, what are you hearing about the Clintons` feelings on this?

LOUIS: My sense of it is that, again, it`s going to be their bodyguards who
do all, you know, if there is any dirty work, their fingerprints will not
be on it at all. My sense also, frankly, Rev, is that if the big dog, if
Bill Clinton had placed a phone call to Anthony Weiner, and believe me,
they know how to reach him. If he had called and said look, this is over,
don`t do this, I think it probably would have made a difference, because
Anthony Weiner is going forward, I don`t know he would, you know, sort of
openly challenge a direct request from the Clintons.

And so I`m going to assume until I hear otherwise and unless I hear
otherwise that he has not been directly asked to get out of the race. Which
in any event is frankly not going all that well for him right now, and it`s
all going to be over in about 40 days.

SHARPTON: And Annie, when he said the big dog, he was talking about
Hillary. He`s got to get used to the new big dog. Errol Louis and Annie
Karni, thank you for your time.

KARNI: Thank you.

LOUIS: Thank you.

SHARPTON: Ahead, Sarah Palin is firing up her base again. But they might
want to know where those donations are going.

And here is something she might like. We`re out of hibernation in the
POLITICS NATION summer break. That`s next.


SHARPTON: We`re back with the polls from the political battles of the day.
A time to rest, relax and re-charge. That`s right, it`s time once again for
POLITICS NATION summer break. We kick things off in Taiwan. Think our
politics can get ugly? Check out this debate in parliament that turned into
an all-out brawl, pushing, shoving, and down goes a random lawmaker.

The judge gives that one a 10. One guy shows that you can never be too
prepared for fierce debate. And one guy has a new approach. He`s hurling
water bottles from the back row. Amazing. Keep a close eye on the water
toss coming from the seats. This guy disagrees. He doesn`t appreciate
wasting all that precious h20.

But Taiwan -- from Taiwan we can go to Colorado, where a bear walked into a
bar. No, really. A bear literally walked into a bar, but another bear in
Colorado says forget the drinks. She a looking for a late-night snack
outside of a local restaurant. Check her out. She is going right for the
dumpster. Sarah Palin would be proud of these fearless creatures.

And there is really no way to segue from that to this. But we will. Who
could forget him?


JIMMY MCMILLAN, POLITICAL ACTIVIST: I represent the rent is too damn high
party. The rent is too damn high. It all boils down to one thing, rent.
It`s too damn high.


SHARPTON: That`s right, the rent is too damn high candidate is back, and
he`s endorsing Anthony Weiner for New York City mayor. So it`s not all bad
news for Mr. Weiner this week. And here is a summer break exclusive. He`s
also ready to endorse cubicle guy. And that`s today`s summer break.


SHARPTON: Sarah Palin`s claim to fame has always been that she is not a
member of the political establishment. She`s a maverick. Mavericks don`t
need bigwig consultants. They don`t need Washington elite telling them what
to do, right, Sarah?


SARAH PALIN, FORMER ALASKA GOVERNOR: Now is the time to furlough the
consultants and tune out the pollsters, send the focus groups home and toss
the political scripts. Because if we truly know what we believe, we don`t
need professionals to tell us.



SHARPTON: You heard her. It`s about time we throw out the scripts, tuned
out the pollsters, furloughed the consultants. Oh, oh, well, that changes
everything. Now doesn`t it? It turns out that Sarah Palin`s SuperPac has
been spending plenty on consultants. In the first six months of this year,
Palin`s Pac paid $217,000 to consultants. A hundred twenty four thousand
dollars on postage and mailings, and more than $48,000 on airfare and other
travel expenses.

And for all that talk about helping those grassroot Tea Partiers get
elected, more than 97 percent of the money went to Palin`s inner circle,
her only donation toward helping an outsider was a measly $5,000 to a
Missouri republican. This all sounds a little hypocritical, doesn`t it?


PALIN: You betcha`, yes, yes.


SHARPTON: Joining me now is Angela Rye. Thank you for coming on the show


SHARPTON: Angela, Palin says she is the anti-establishment figure. But on
paper, she seems anything but. What do you make of this?

RYE: Rev, several things. First of all, we know that Sarah Palin, like the
rap song said, is blind to the fact. She has never been anything but a
hypocrite. It`s easy for someone who says, for example, you know, she can
see Russia from Alaska, which may indeed be true, but the proximity of
Alaska to Russia makes her -- gives her creative advantage on foreign
policy. So this is someone who does not really make any good sense, and as
a result, the way in which they have spent the money with her pac, it`s
demonstrating the same type of thing there is no real synergy with her
ideas and how she actually will live out or manage the funds with Sarah

SHARPTON: I`m joined now by Karen Finney. Thank you, Karen, for coming.


SHARPTON: Karen, I want to focus, though, on this whole notion of her
paying all the dollars, all this pac money to consultants. When she enjoys
this image on the far right as this grassroots authentic anti-
establishment, unscripted kind of leader. What does this say?

FINNEY: Well, I think it`s fairly consistent with what we`ve seen from
Sarah Palin before. I mean, remember, a few summers ago when she took that
little family vacation in an RV, who was really paying for it? Where was
the money really going? Where was the money really coming from? So we`ve
seen this pattern of behavior before from Sarah Palin.

And obviously, the sort of mirage of what she puts on as her front is not
exactly the same as what is really going on underneath the surface.

SHARPTON: Now, Angela, a new poll out this week shows that Palin would win
Alaska GOP primary if she chose to run. But other major players in the GOP
are pushing out by the Tea Party that`s embraced Palin. The top republican
in the Senate Mitch McConnell is battling a tough Tea Party challenge. And
Senator Lindsey Graham has been in the Senate for ten years, but now he is
giving a serious Tea Party challenge. What does all of this mean?

RYE: Well, first, what it means for her trajectory is that it would be a
very sad one. To go from the Alaska governor to a vice presidential
candidate, then back to the Senate is very, very sad. But then in addition
to that, what this poll tells us that the folks who would support her in a
GOP primary, just like the folks who would oppose Mitch McConnell or
Lindsey Graham, they`re ideologues.

They have a certain way in which they view the world that is not about
moving this country forward. And it doesn`t really tell us much more than
that. We also see from the poll that if she won in a general, she would
handedly lose to Begich, to Senator Begich.

SHARPTON: Yes. She wins the primary but loses the general in Alaska. But
doesn`t it show, Karen, how far to the right the GOP has been --


SHARPTON: -- pushed by the tea party. In fact, Rush Limbaugh this week,
when he was asked about the GOP member or leader that he admires, listen to
what he said.


RUSH LIMBAUGH, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: I admire any who are bold enough and
brave enough to speak what they truly believe. Ted Cruz is one. Sarah Palin
is another. Any of them who are fearless and have the courage of their
convictions and have no compunction about saying it. They`re not
embarrassed themselves. They are not insecure. They firmly believe what has
to be done. They`re willing to stand behind it. Those are the people I


FINNEY: Someone who is wildly insecure, I guess I can see why he would
admire others who might -- who he considers not insecure. I mean, you know,
coming from Rush, let`s put that where it belongs.

SHARPTON: Well, he is the boss of the party.

FINNEY: He is the boss of the party. But, look, I think there is two pieces
to this. Right? I mean, Sarah Palin has from a political context squandered
any opportunity. She had a legitimate opportunity after the presidential
race to try to raise funds, be a voice in her party, and actually move
forward with an agenda. That`s not really what she has done. She has raised
funds to kind of go around and do trips and give speeches, but she really
has never put forward any kind of substantive ideas. Now, she has supported
candidates, and she clearly is beloved by the far right of the party, the
Tea Partiers.

But that also represents again this major schism within the party, as we
saw in that pew poll earlier this week. That within the Republican Party,
you`ve got the non-Tea Party Republicans and you`ve got the Tea Party


FINNEY: And those two factions do not agree. So she is really very much of
a troublemaker for someone like a, you know, Mitch McConnell and others who
are considered the establishment.

SHARPTON: Yes, but Angela, whether she has content or not, she has been
given a huge soapbox with a new FOX News contract. Just listen to some of
the stuff she`s said.


PALIN: Well, first off, Nancy Pelosi is a dingbat. Heck, Sean, if we were
real domestic terrorist, shoot, President Obama would be wanting to pal
around with us, wouldn`t he? His theme last night in the State of the Union
was the WTF, you know, winning the future. And I thought OK, that acronym
spot on. There are a lot of WTF moments throughout that speech.

My buddy Joe Biden, you mean, besides his penchant for just making shh-
stuff up?

SHARPTON: So, Angela, she does have a big platform, and she is out there
slamming the President every day. Does this have any effect on his agenda?

RYE: I don`t think it has an effect on the practical aspect of him being
able to push his agenda. I do think when it comes to whether or not his
agenda will be supported by a broader base than moderate Republicans and by
the Democratic Party, yes, it creates more of the frustrating type of
Washington, type of inside the beltway we`re used to at this point. They
again, you know, voted 40 times now to repeal Obamacare and are back home
to out this mess in town halls. So, talking about dingbats, I would
encourage her to listen to Man in the Mirror by Michael Jackson.

SHARPTON: Karen Finney and Angela Rye, I`m going to leave it on that one.
Thanks for your time. Have a great weekend.

RYE: Thanks, Rev.

SHARPTON: And watch "DISRUPT" with Karen Finney, weekends at 4:00 p.m.
Eastern, right here on MSNBC.

Up next, friend or foe, I want to know. "Reply Al" is next.


SHARPTON: It`s time for "Reply Al." Remember, friend or foe, I want to
know. Jalen writes and he wants to know.

My question is, "Even though gridlock exists in Washington, what can we do
as the President`s supporters to help him advance his second term agenda?"

We can rally. We can e-mail. We can write. We can phone call. We can put
pressure on our Congress people, even if they`re democrat, that they`ve got
to fight and press and press and press. We must use whatever we had access
to at whatever level to support the agenda. Grant says could we actually be
seeing the beginning of the demise of the Republican Party? I think you can
actually say that is very possible. When they keep putting themselves
beyond what is possible for winning a national election, when they have
been pulled to the extremes or pushed to the extremes, whichever way you
want to say it by the Tea Party, if that maintains through another national
election cycle, you might begin to see the permanent demise of the
Republican Party.

Thanks for watching. I`m Al Sharpton. Have a great weekend. "HARDBALL"
starts right now.



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