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August 10, 2013
Guests: Bill de Blasio, John Nichols, Lizz Winstead, Zerlina Maxwell,
Graylan Hagler

ED SCHULTZ, HOST: Good evening, Americans. And welcome to THE ED SHOW.
Live from New York, I`m not in Minneapolis -- what`s going on here? They
made me come back here to do it?

Well, that`s because it`s 5:00 somewhere. Let`s get after it. Let`s get
to work.


MAYOR MICHAEL BLOOMBERG (I), NEW YORK CITY: We`re all facing a ticking
time bomb, and that time bomb is our public pension system.

CHRIS JANSING, MSNBC ANCHOR: New York City`s Mayor Michael Bloomberg says
Detroit`s financial disaster should serve as a warning to all U.S. cities.

SCHULTZ: The banks want to pick the bones clean.

BLOOMBERG: Cuts will go into the bone the next time, cuts to police and
fire, sanitation, economic development.

The state of our city has never been stronger.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s the matter?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Forget about it.

BLOOMBERG: I don`t think there`s any mystery about what will happen next.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The point is, ladies and gentlemen, that greed -- for
lack of a better word -- is good.

SEN. EDWARD KENNEDY (D), MASSACHUSETTS: When does the greed stop?

SCHULTZ: Big banks are the real rates.

BLOOMBERG: I know which is right for New York.


SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight, folks. Thanks for watching THE

If you have been watching this program over the last month, you know that I
have paid great deal of attention to what is going on in the city of
Detroit. Because I have put out a narrative and now it`s being played out
by the biggest mayor in America, that there is going to be a template by
conservative elected leaders, governors, mayors, when it comes the dealing
with obligations, and of course, the running they`ll is, well, it is the
workers` fault.

This man right here, he is the first one to take the bait. That is the
mayor of the richest city in America. He says that saving, saying public
workers, their pensions, public workers` pensions, could put New York in
the same boat as Detroit? Isn`t that a little extreme?

Come on. This week, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg gave a speech
blaming special interests politics for Detroit`s collapse.


BLOOMBERG: The forces that can stop the city can be internal. Not just
external. Short sightedness, corruption, mismanagement, and perhaps most
dangerous of all, special interest politics. Of course, over the course of
several decades, we saw all of those factors at work in Detroit.


SCHULTZ: What we`re seeing here is a comparison. As I said in previous
programs, you are going to see mayors across the country use Detroit as the
example. See what they did wrong. We can`t have that happen in our city.
By the way, we`re paying our workers too much money. Their pensions are
too high. They`re special interests.

Did you know that in New York City, the mayor thinks if you`ve paid into a
pension plan for the last 30 years, you`re special interest! Do you see
anything paralleling here between New York and Detroit, Michigan, and the
state of Michigan? Let`s see.

You`ve got Snyder, the governor in Michigan. You`ve got Mayor Bloomberg
here in New York City, and a couple of rich guys, a couple of corporatists
that are blaming the workers in setting up the narrative that you`re the
problem. Bloomberg went on to compare New York City`s public pensions to
Detroit`s pension issues.


BLOOMBERG: In New York City, that risk is still very real. And the
primary driver of he risk is the same factor that was present in Detroit,
the explosion and health care costs. To put the problem in context, in the
fiscal year 2012, when we came into office, New York City`s pension costs
were $1.4 billion. By fiscal 2009, even after one of the strongest bull
markets we`ve ever seen and before any impact from the financial meltdown,
pension costs had grown to $6.9 billion.


SCHULTZ: So, the mayor of New York City, is he making the case that
retired workers just keep getting more and more and more money? No. It`s
health care. It is health care which is breaking our economy. It is
Obamacare that has potentially to be put into a position to save our
economy if we can full bore universal health care.

But, of course, that`s way down the road. But once again, here in New
York, public workers are not the problem. In this case, it`s this man,
Mayor Bloomberg. He has not taken care of the problem. He is trying to
make public workers pay more into their health care and retirement funds
using Detroit as a scare tactic.

But he doesn`t want anybody else, the wealthiest residents of this city, to
do a little bit more. He is willing to protect others. Bloomberg believes
that New York City`s firefighters, police officers and teachers. They`re
the problem. I offer to you tonight that he is dead wrong on this.

Meanwhile, what is he doing? He is protecting his buddies down on Wall

You see, just last week, he took shot at former New York governor, Eliot
Spitzer. He said if Spitzer is elected New York City comptroller, it`s not
his job to investigate problems on Wall Street. Do we have an admission
from the mayor that there are problems on Wall Street?

The mayor needs to learn that you cannot trust Wall Street. There are no
guarantees. Now, under Bloomberg, we have seen the financial collapse of
2008. He stood silent, because his philosophy is deregulation.

If the mayor of the city of New York, whoever it might be, would step
forward and say that commercial banks and investment banks need to be
split-up, I think it would have a pretty big impact on the financial sector
in this country. But he hasn`t done that. He has let Wall Street run

And thanks to immoral, financial practices, greedy people and downtown
Manhattan have ruined countless American lives. Bloomberg is now attacking
workers like firefighters who save lives. Not destroy them. Now, if
anything, I believe that Bloomberg should be taxing the massive profits
made on Wall Street to provide these health care costs and requirement
costs, that the city is obligated to pay to these workers who have put in
no less than 30 years.

You know, New York City`s bravest -- we only praise them when there`s a
disaster. It`s the every day stuff we kind of forget.

Let`s go back to 2012 alone. Wall Street paid out a whopping $20 billion
in cash bonuses alone. Now, I say, tax the profits instead of paying out
these absurd bonuses and institute a transaction tax in Manhattan, or maybe
a quarter cent sales tax. Try it for one year to see what kind of money
comes in.

Do something a little different instead of protecting the wealthiest
residents in this city, instead of going out and blaming workers. This is
the kind of money that`s just blocks away from this studio and it is
floating from people who shuffle paper, who work the phone, who do the
Internet. They shuffle the paper.

The financial sector -- they don`t provide any services to the city.
They`re not protecting the city. And can they pay more? I believe the
mayor said that, you know, Wall Street is going through roof. Corporate
profits through the roof.

Income and equality is a big issue in this country. But somehow I think
the Obama administration has kind of forgotten that narrative. They need a
refresher course.

In Bloomberg`s speech, he also said, if retirement costs continue to
skyrocket, it could affect the quality of life here in New York City.


BLOOMBERG: The more a city spends on wages and benefits for employees over
what the marketplace determines is necessary for recruitment, retention and
experience, the less a city can invest in benefits for all of its
residents. The less it invests in things that benefits all residents, the
less attractive place it is to live and visit.


SCHULTZ: Less, less, less, less. And as long we give the wealthy more,
more, more. Bloomberg is living on the moon, my friends. He needs to
remember New York City`s quality of life is great today because public
workers who put their lives on the line every day to make this city as safe
as it is. And if you hurt police officers and firefighters, the quality of
life is going to hurt the entire city.

Now, I will say that living in New York, I feel safe. I think the
residents feel the safe, and I feel embarrassed to think there is actually
a mayor that`s coming out saying, workers aren`t doing enough. That`s
basically what he said this week. Our obligations to them are just too
much. I didn`t hear any of that after September 11th, 2001.

Finally, Mayor Bloomberg made another comparison between New York and
Detroit that is truly unbelievable.


BLOOMBERG: Avoiding the hard choices is how Detroit went bankrupt and it`s
the road to ruin for any city.


SCHULTZ: Yes, it is. It sure is, Mayor. You know, withholding money from
a city, in from a state government is really sinful. This is totally
disingenuous and it is totally off the mark. Mayor Bloomberg is the one
who has been avoiding the hard choices.

The mayor has failed to renegotiate contracts with city workers. Who
knows? Maybe the unions would take a benefit change. They`re not coming
to the table to try to screw anybody.

In some cases, it has been years since public workers have been under
contract in the city. The result is the current dispute between the city
government and the public unions is real. And he is running away saying,
well, the next guy better not be too friendly to the unions. It`s always
the unions, isn`t it? It`s never the wealthiest paper shufflers down the

Mayor Bloomberg is leaving it up to the successor to fix the mess that he
really never addressed. Income inequality is just as real here as anywhere
else in the country. And he is taking the narrative from Detroit,
Michigan. It`s OK if a city goes bankrupt. As long as we can break the
unions, screw the workers and blame it on them and let the rich people run

Living in New York since 2009, I can tell you that this guy is the media
darling. This may be one of the toughest electronic media commentaries
that`s ever been blistered on this guy, but damn it, he deserves it. He
does not take the questions about what moral commitment he has to people
who have worked in the city for 30 years and earned a pension.

And this narrative that the conservatives are playing out, now in the
richest city in America is, you know what? You are the problem.

The biggest voting bloc, the biggest social networking machine that the
Democrats have is organized labor. They`re doing everything they can to
destroy it across this country.

Get your cell phones out. I want to know what you think.

Tonight`s question: Does Mayor Michael Bloomberg care more about Wall
Street, or workers? Text A for Wall Street, text B for workers to 67622.
You can always go to our blog at and leave a comment there.
We`ll bring you the results later in the show.

How do you turn your back on an American worker? How do you make the case
to the public that people that are willing to go into burning buildings to
save other people, that maybe at the end of the day, they`re really not
worth that much, at the end of decades of service to a city.

I`ll tell you what? You`ve got to be a filthy rich guy to have that kind
of an attitude.

For more, let`s turn to New York City Democratic mayoral candidate Bill de

Bill, good to have you with us tonight.

here, Ed.

SCHULTZ: Mayor Bloomberg says New York City was paying $1.4 billion for
pensions in 2002. In 2009, it was $6.9 billion. First of all, is this
number correct? And why is it that number?

DE BLASIO: Well, we`ve seen real growth in the money we have to put into
pension obligations but a lot of that was because of choices that Michael
Bloomberg made. And the whole dynamic -- I couldn`t agree with you more.
He will always talk about what workers theoretically have done wrong, but
when you talk about taxing the wealthy, it`s a sin.

I propose back on October, a tax on people make a half million or more. I
said something I thought would unify people. Let`s do it for our schools,
let`s do it for our children, because we know thousands of children are
being left behind. He said it was the most ridiculous thing he`d ever

SCHULTZ: What if we turned to Mayor Bloomberg and say, you know, Mayor, I
think you own too much. I know you didn`t earn like the workers did,
right? You`re special, right?

I mean, come on. Let`s talk about fairness here -- fairness has left the
building when raiding people`s pensions. And that is what he is doing. He
is setting up the narrative to go after people`s pensions and say, hey, see
these million of dollars that were paying out over my administration, this
is wrong. This is what we`ve got to stop.

DE BLASIO: He is in the vanguard of that group that says no more defined
benefit pensions. They want to go to a system where we let the market
decide. It`s just like Social Security and just as dangerous.

The bottom line is these hard-working people, they earn these pensions.
Defined benefit is a way that we actually protect people`s retirement and
future. We help create some stability in our society. But he adamantly
opposes that and opposes any effort to address inequality with a tax on the

SCHULTZ: All right. My solution, and I rail on the mayor. I rail on the
city. It`s a transaction tax.

Why are we afraid of that? Why are we afraid to tax every transaction on
Wall Street for the benefit of this city? They enjoy the safety. They
take home the billions, $20 billion in bonus money.

I mean, come on. Why are we afraid to do that? Or what would you do?

DE BLASIO: Look, I think there is a set of options. I think income tax is
the first one. I really believe that. I think it`s the one that we can do
it most quickly and most effectively and use to it save our school systems
serving 1.1 million kids.

There is commuter tax which was taken away a few years ago and should be
there for the same reason we point out. People come into the city, almost
3 million people a year. I mean, excuse me, a day, and they don`t pay for
the services they get.

SCHULTZ: Do you think this is an attack on workers? And do you -- and my
theory is, that it is a template that the conservative movement in this
country wants to do. That this -- he is the first mayor to take bait.

DE BLASIO: It`s not a theory. It`s a fact, in my view. I agree with you.
I think it is union busting with a velvet glove. He may not sound like
Scott Walker. He may not sound like Kasich or Christie, but it`s the same
effect and it constantly takes the onus off the wealthy and puts on it
working people.

SCHULTZ: He says that the next mayor, if the next mayor is union-friendly,
fees will go up.

I want to ask you directly, Bill, if you were elected, are you going to be

DE BLASIO: Absolutely. I believe the labor movement of the city is not
only working in the interests of the people of the city, doing the work
everyday, keeping the city going, and a lot of folks, by the way, who work
for the city of New York don`t get paid so well.

Some of them, I say this -- I wish it was facetious. Some even live in the
shelter. There are city workers who are not paid enough that they can make
ends m in New York City. Some even live in a shelter.

So, of course, they`re doing their job.

SCHULTZ: Has the mayor kicked the can down the road? He has protected the
wealthy in the city and he is not going to the level of fairness that`s
needed to keep up with the expenses.

DE BLASIO: Not only does he protect the wealthy, for a guy who loves to
talk about fiscal responsibility, he is the first mayor in our history to
leave every municipal labor contract unresolved simultaneously which puts
our future in danger. It`s something he created.

SCHULTZ: All part of the plan?

DE BLASIO: It could be. It`s part of his legacy, I tell you that much, to
avoid the tough decisions on the contracts so he could have a very sunny
ending to his administration. But I wish he would admit that it was a
responsible thing to do.

SCHULTZ: All right. Bill de Blasio, good to have you with us on THE ED
SHOW. Thanks so much.

DE BLASIO: Thank you, Ed.

SCHULTZ: Remember tonight`s question there at the bottom of the screen.
Answer that, please. And, of course, share your thoughts with us on
Twitter @EdShow and on Facebook. We always want to know what you think.

Coming up, Powerball made some new millionaires in New Jersey and Minnesota
while some old millionaires held secret meetings in the desert. "The
Nation`s" John Nichols has the details.

And the RNC chairman gives a new Hillary documentary two thumbs down. Our
panel takes the GOP`s dramatic response, ahead.

Stay with us.


SCHULTZ: Time now for "The Trenders", THE ED SHOW social media nation has
decided and we are reporting.

Here are this being`s top trenders voted on by you.



NARRATOR: Number three trender: Rick Perry`s altered state.

GOV. RICK PERRY (R), TEXAS: There are many other states that embrace those
conservative values. I`m in one today, in Florida.

NARRATOR: The Texas governor was in a state of confusion at the red state

PERRY: You look at South Carolina. You look at Florida.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`re in Louisiana.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The pit of despair.

PERRY: I know when I said that, I`m in one of those states that reflect
those today, in Louisiana.

Sorry. Oops.


NARRATOR: Our number two trender: lotto luck.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Millions lined up for their chance at that million-
dollar dream.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One million dollars.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That jackpot is a crack ton of money.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: $448.4 million.

NARRATOR: This week`s jackpot made new millionaires in New Jersey and


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was in shock. I was absolutely in shock will I
never imagined it would be me. Never, ever.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Kim called me at like 8:30. She says, are you a
millionaire yet? Sure enough, they are right and I said, I`ll have to call
you back later. And I`m like whoo! Running around my office.

NARRATOR: And this week`s top trender: Koch party.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s going on at the Hyatt Tamaya that no one wants to
talk about. Everyone was hush-hush.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shhh. Be very quiet.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tamaya insider tells us the entire place was rented out
by the Koch brothers.

NARRATOR: Republican hot shot join the billionaire brothers for a secret
meeting in New Mexico.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What kind of dastardly scheme are they cooking up now?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s calls (ph) to the media.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I like Paul Ryan, he`s the shooting star.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They`re the financial engine of the conservative

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They`ve been shaping policies for years, funding
conservative and libertarian causes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The Koch brothers are the poster boys for the 1


SCHULTZ: Joining me now, John Nichols, Washington correspondent for "The
Nation" magazine. John, good to have you with us.

So, let me get this straight. As soon as Congress goes on break, we have
Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor hopped on a plane and going to take orders and
meet with the big boys in New Mexico?

Is that the way it came down? And why did it happen that way?

JOHN NICHOLS, THE NATION: That`s exactly the way it came down. Somehow,
Paul Ryan found a route back to Wisconsin that led through Albuquerque, New
Mexico. And he and Eric Cantor who are arguably the two most powerful
Republicans in the U.S. House, John Boehner`s often the spectator, they got
on this plane. They flew down to New Mexico as soon as the house went out
of sex.

They checked in to one of the most elite resorts in the Southwest which had
been rented top to bottom by the Koch brothers. Here they are two of the
most powerful people in Congress sitting with two of the wealthiest men in
America, and a lot of their allies and other folks. And nobody who wasn`t
part of this behind closed doors meeting was allowed in.

So, when reporters came, they were block by security a mile away from the
hotel. No one would acknowledge who was there. So, it`s really quite a
remarkable thing.


SCHULTZ: So, why was there -- Eric Cantor has been really been in the Koch
family, so to speak. Why is it important he was there?

NICHOLS: Well, these are the two Republicans in the House who really are
the power forces.

SCHULTZ: Are they at odds?


NICHOLS: Totally different Republicans. At times they are, yes, because
they both wanted to be the king of this hill. Many people think Paul Ryan
will try for president again in 2016. That`s possible. But there`s a lot
of betting that both Ryan and Cantor really want to be the speaker of the
House. And so, each of them wants to have the Koch brothers connection
remember, the Koch brothers are primary funders of campaigns.

And so called independent expenditures, so very exclusive, very secluded,
and two of the major players. Are they taking marching orders? How else
does Joe average on the street read this?

NICHOLS: Well, technically, Ryan and Cantor were supposed to give
addresses or remarks at the event. But, you know, you don`t go for these
things in the speeches. It is the wheeling and dealing. It`s the behind
closed doors. It`s the sitting around the pool, you know, having your
massages or whatever.

And the fact of the matter is, Ed, what we have to take away from this is
before these guys went home to meet with their constituents and have town
hall meetings in August, they race down to be with the Koch brothers to
talk about political strategy and agenda. I don`t know how else the
average citizen can see it.

SCHULTZ: Yes. And I understand, there was an interesting development in
Paul Ryan`s district as late as the statement made. What was it?

NICHOLS: This is fascinating. Paul Ryan was down in New Mexico with two
of the wealthiest campaign donors and campaign funders in manager. In the
largest city in his district, Kenosha, Wisconsin, the city council voted
officially to ask the Congress of the United States to overturn the
Citizens United ruling and to get big money out of politics.

The question, Ed, is this: Will Paul Ryan listen to Kenosha, Wisconsin, or
will he listen to the Koch brothers?

SCHULTZ: I think we know the answers to that. And the Koch brothers
believe that Ryan is still the rising star even though he was a loser on
the last ticket. Fair enough?

NICHOLS: It`s fair enough. They have always loved Paul Ryan. In fact,
back in 2012, there was a lot of talk that the final thing that got Paul
Ryan on the ticket was the encouragement and the strong support of the Koch


NICHOLS: What this meeting in New Mexico was, was really a reaffirmation
of their commitment to Paul Ryan.

SCHULTZ: So any success of the Republicans has to go through Koch brothers
office. I mean, that`s the way it seems to be shaken right now. And it`s
very interesting to the people in the middle of the country in Kenosha,
Wisconsin, make a statement about Citizens United.

This is something that I would think local media would challenge Paul Ryan
on. Does he stand with the people of Kenosha? Or does he stand with the
Koch brothers? Because you know damn well they`re not in favor of changing
Citizens United.

John Nichols, great to have you with us. Always a pleasure.

Coming up, find out where Paula Deen is still getting lots of support.

And the fight for fair wages hits the nation`s capital. We`ll show you how
D.C.`s proposed law is putting a big box stores right in the corner.

But next, I`m taking your questions on "Ed Ask Live" segment. That`s
coming up next.

Stay with us on MSNBC.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to THE ED SHOW. We love hearing from our viewers
tonight in our "Ask Ed Live" segment.

Our first question comes from Skip. "Why are so many people against

Well, Skip, because they`ve been told to be against it. Most Americans I
believe don`t know all the devil in the details about Obamacare. And guess
what? There is no devil. They just want you to believe that.

The fact is that this is going to challenge the private sector. That`s
what Republicans are innately against. They want a for profit health care
system. Obamacare is the first major step towards real competition, the
lowering of rates, healthier outcomes, and lives being saved.

Why the Republicans are against that is beyond me. I hope in my lifetime
that you and I see universal health care. This is the first step toward
that. We would finally become the last industrialized nation in the world
to have universal health care.

This is a great first step to get us all there. Think about that -- 30
million to 40 million more people having better health outcomes and not of
course losing everything they own because of an illness. How could you be
against that?

So, the question, why are so many people against it? The Republicans have
spent millions of dollars and schooled their right wing talkers to make
sure that everybody knows that Obama is the villain, he`s not the president
and this is all socialism and it`s going to be bad for America. To them it
is bad for America because it attacks the private sector.

Our next question comes from Deborah. "Why is Congress continually
threatening to United States Postal Service?"

Again, it is an issue of privatization. The private delivery companies in
America lobby the hell out of Congress. They want to get rid of the voting
bloc, they want to get rid of the union. They want to destroy the Postal

I have done many stories on this. The bottom line is it is an attack on
workers. It is an attack on unions and it is certainly an attack to
privatize something that they claim is archaic. Did you know that the
Congress made it so that the postal service can`t compete the way they
should compete, as if there`s some type of lower employee that can`t
perform? It`s outrageous.

And, of course, in 2006, it was the lame duck session of the Congress that
they passed a bill forcing the Postal Service to fund their health care and
their pension benefits for 75 years in a 10-year window. That has screwed
their balance sheet up, and then, of course, the Republicans say you don`t
know how to run your shop.

What business in America is going to run their shop and funneled their
health care so far out and do it in a 10-year window? It`s called strangle
the postal service and it`s going to hurt rural America.

Stick around. Rapid response panel coming up next.



REINCE PRIEBUS, RNC CHAIRMAN: I have to set a debate calendar that has the
best interests of our party and nominees in mind. And if I`ve got NBC
doing a mini series with Diane Lane starring on behalf or portraying
Hillary Clinton on a four-day mini series, I`ve got to tell you, it makes
my choice of moderators much easier.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to THE ED SHOW.

RNC chairman Reince Priebus would like all of us to believe that he is
threatening to boycott NBC and CNN in the run up to the 2016 presidential
election because of planned projects on Hillary Clinton.

However, it might just be a convenient excuse. Take a look at the RNC`s
100-page attempt to explain why they lost in 2012. One suggestion found
the growth and opportunity post election moratorium, the number of debates
should be reduced by roughly half. You mean they don`t want to compete? I
thought these were private sector guys that love competition.

It`s clear. The conservatives, the Republicans, you see, they are
concerned about a poor debate performance because they`re shaky on the
issues. That`s the bottom line. They`ve even got a record to prove it.




ROMNEY: I`m speaking. I`m speaking. I`m speaking.

You get 30 seconds. This is the way the rules work here.

MODERATOR: Congressman, are you saying that society should let him die?



earlier that I shrink from. And it is one that I don`t think we should be
using as Republicans: middle class. There are no classes in America.

MODERATOR: You can`t name the third one?

PERRY: The third agency of government. I would do away with Education,
the -- Commerce -- and let`s see. I can`t. The third one, I can`t.
Sorry. Oops!

ROMNEY: Rick -- I don`t think I`ve ever hired an illegal in my life.

STEPHEN HILL: My question is, under one of your presidencies, do you
attempt to circumvent the progress made for gay and lesbian soldiers in the


ROMNEY: I get 60 seconds. And then you get 30 seconds to respond, right?

PERRY: They want to hear --


ROMNEY: Anderson? Would you please wait? Are you going to keep talking?

PERRY: Yes, sir.

ROMNEY: Would you let me finish with what I have to say?


SCHULTZ: Do you know what Reince Priebus wants to do? He wants to take
away your entertainment. Who could want less of that?

Joining me now is our rapid response panel. Author Lizz Winstead, "The
Grio" contributor, Zerlina Maxwell, and also, Joan Walsh of

I mean, this is just depriving us of entertainment, isn`t it?

JOAN WALSH, SALON.COM: Bring it on. We need it.

SCHULTZ: OK, obviously there is embarrassment there, correct?

WALSH: Yes. There is absolute embarrassment. He is trying to hide his
candidates. He is going to have a crack pot set of candidates in 2016,
just like he had in 2012 and he is afraid of that.

He is also, he`s a big cry baby and he is playing to the base. He is
telling the base, oh, the horrible liberal media is after us again and, you
know, he is kind of winning for now. He is getting a lot of attention.

It`s a slow summer and he gets to look like a hero to the base when he`s
not going to pull his candidates out of these debates. These candidates
are not going to go along with it. He`s got pretty much no power to do it.

SCHULTZ: They`re wigged out early on over Hillary Clinton, aren`t they?

ZERLINA MAXWELL, THE GRIO: Well, right. I mean, they have reasons to be,
right? Because he doesn`t have a good crop of people to choose from.

But also, he needs to be a little more focused on his candidates and
winning elections instead of trying to deprive us of our entertainment,
because I want more debates. I want a debate every day. It`s amazing.
Maybe we drink too much from the drinking games that we play during the
debates but, I mean, they`re amazing.

SCHULTZ: Now, Lizz, I`ve seen you in action. The crowd always wants more,

LIZZ WINSTEAD, AUTHOR: Oh my God. It`s -- I personally cannot believe it
can get -- well, I didn`t think it`s going to get worse. And then you have
Steve King thinking he can probably do it. The people who think they`re
qualified to do anything that is going to consist of this flotilla that
will be the GOP nominees, it`s great. I need a beach house. I want more
debates. That`s just the bottom line.

SCHULTZ: Well, is it a good political strategy? I mean, you know, there
is conservative media out there that would sell the base, that would
motivate the base, that would in a sense protect there are candidates and
put them in more of a safe haven. Could it possibly work?

WALSH: Well, I think it`s a good political strategy for him right now
because he`s getting to look tough. It`s a -- longer term, it`s a stupid
political strategy that got a lot of newcomers. They should be wanting to
introduce them to the larger world.

But they don`t. They want to be in their hermetically sealed FOX universe.

WINSTEAD: Well, and it`s going to be a really sticky situation for him if
it does turn out the production arm of FOX is the one producing one of the
Hillary Clinton things, because then it is going on roll out to be the real
thing, which -- CNN is a problem. Yes, CNN is a network. But when you
have entertainment divisions of a network --


WINSTEAD: -- it`s very different.

So, then, Reince Priebus has to be the ones to explain, well, FOX has a
division of TV --


SCHULTZ: But on the political side of it, Zerlina, they`ve had a rough
year. I mean, the war on women continues, with the women`s issues all on
the state level, of all the aggressive measures that have been put out when
it comes to right to choose, workers` rights, equal rights, all the voting
rights. I don`t think they want to talk about this.

MAXWELL: And they definitely don`t wan a documentary or a movie about
Hillary Clinton who would be the person on the left running in 2016 that
will be able to speak to all these issues and energize the feminist base of
the left. And I think that they`re afraid.

Clearly, they`re afraid. That`s why he is having a temper tantrum on TV in
August of 2013, because he is afraid.

SCHULTZ: What does it look like the network is doing these series on
Hillary Clinton? Is it going to be hard for the public to accept, OK, this
is news, this is documentary or entertainment or whatever it is? Is it
going to be hard to differentiate? Will it confuse the public?

WALSH: I think on the NBC side, as Lizz said, they may contract with FOX
entertainment. It`s an entertainment project that will become clear. We
don`t know that it will be favorable to her. It might not be.

Over on CNN, Charles Ferguson, the director of "Inside Job", is running
that project. He`s -- I would consider him on the left and he is probably
somebody who is sort of skeptical of, though she is a liberal, she is a
corporate Democrat. I don`t see that as necessarily being a puff piece
about Hillary.

SCHULTZ: All right. Our next topic: Public Policy Polling asks the
residents of Georgia -- their opinions about current and historical
figures. Now, according to the results, Georgia Republicans are more
likely to approve of Paula "I is what I is" Deen than civil rights hero,
Dr. Martin Luther King. That`s right. Seventy-three percent of Georgia
Republicans have a favorable opinion of the accused racist and Food Network
reject, while only 59 percent have a favorable opinion of Dr. King.

Lizz, where is Georgia on the map?

WINSTEAD: I think that any American who is average likes anybody who will
provide them with fried food over a great civil rights leader. I think we
have just come to that as a fact. It`s very sad. Maybe if Martin Luther
King wrote letters about a Birmingham sandwich, I don`t know. I mean,
really, it`s upsetting.

SCHULTZ: Are you surprised by the numbers?

MAXWELL: I`m not surprised. I always said Barack Obama should have done
education reform above anything else because the public is -- I mean, I bet
most of those people did not know who Martin Luther King was. That was
part of the reason why. They`re like Paula Deen, she makes really
delicious food. And Martin Luther King, they`re like, wait, this is some
guy we have a day off from school and work for him, I don`t know who that

WINSTEAD: He doesn`t fry my food.

MAXWELL: Yes. It`s like, what has he done for me?

SCHULTZ: What does this say about the entrenched thinking of Republicans
in the South?

WALSH: I think there is a white grievance in this country. There are a
lot of people who think that Paula Deen wasn`t treated fairly and she was
one of us and she was brought down for some ill-considered comments and all
that other garbage.

And I think there are -- to some people, she became a folk hero. So it`s

SCHULTZ: Our last topic: right wing conspiracy blogger and professional
troll, Erick Erickson, on Tuesday, Erickson revealed his true sexist colors
yet again. Erickson is feeling the heat after calling Texas State Senator
Wendy Davis "abortion Barbie".

Lizz, your response?

WINSTEAD: Well, this is also the man who when Texas decided to make
abortion and reproductive access really, really next to impossible for poor
women, put a link to a hanger Web site up as a joke. If there was abortion
Barbie, if we`re going to do the doll metaphor, then he is like G.I. slow.
You know? I mean, honestly, it is just --

MAXWELL: I could do more push-ups than Erick Erickson. I would like to
put that out there. Maybe I can challenge him and see who is more a man.

WALSH: His fear of women. We talk about him the last time we were on. He
is terrified of us.

SCHULTZ: Joan, Zerlina, Lizz, great to have you with us tonight. Thanks
so much.

Tonight in our survey I asked, does Mayor Michael Bloomberg care more about
Wall Street or workers? Ninety-four percent of you say Wall Street, 6
percent of you say workers. You 6 percent, you need to wake up earlier and
watch THE ED SHOW.

Up next, I`ll explain why Republicans shouldn`t be too invested in a 2016
run for this pretender.

Stay tuned.


SCHULTZ: And in the pretenders tonight, the former senator from
Pennsylvania who would not let sleeves slow him down in the campaign trail,
Rick Santorum. You remember, Santorum blazed the 2012 campaign trail with
an uncanny gift for oratory.


SANTORUM: One of the things I will talk about that no president has talked
about before is I think the dangers of contraception in this country.

Both of them bought into the global warming hoax.

President Obama once said he wants everybody in America to go to college.
What a snob.

I don`t want to me people`s lives better by giving them somebody else`s


SCHULTZ: Yes, you remember all? Unfortunately, Santorum was only the
runner up for the Republican nomination. History tells us, second place
was just a stepping stone for many notable future nominees. Conservative
columnist Byron York believes Santorum could be one of them, although he
should listen to his most recent speech.


SANTORUM: What the left does, what the pro-choice movement does is they
just don`t focus on their little issue. They focus on everything they do
and every aspect of their life. They make it uncomfortable for students
who come to Austin to shower at a young man`s Christian association, YMCA
gym, because they live it.


SCHULTZ: What? That`s Rick Santorum firing up the young conservative base
with one very cold shower.

If Republicans think we`re ready to say yes to the vest, they can keep on


SCHULTZ: Punching in, punching out. This is a story for folks who take a
shower after work, the workers of America. And workers in the nation`s
capital, they are locked in a showdown over wages with one of the most
profitable companies on the planet.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So, the battle is on in D.C. Walmart is threatening
to pull the plug on at least three stores in the area if it is forced to
pay employees their, quote, "living wage." That`s what they`re calling it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why is there so much anger --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is not a Walmart --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Walmart is unfairly being portrayed as the bad guy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Even at $8.50, they could double their income with
these jobs. And you`ve denied it from them. I don`t know how you can look
constituents in the face.


SCHULTZ: Well, Walmart and FOX News are freaking out because Washington,
D.C.`s city council, that would be a representative government, passed a
living wage bill which could set a new standard nationwide. That`s what
they`re afraid of. The bill would force big box stores to pay $11.75 an
hour to workers. The living wage applies only to parent companies making
more than $1 billion per year.

Now, Walmart recorded almost $470 billion in gross sales last year. If
Walmart allows collective bargaining, it can ignore the wage restriction in

Neighborhood leaders say they welcome Walmart as long as it pays workers a
living wage.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everybody here is making money except the people who
live in Washington, D.C.


If there`s going to be prosperity, count us in! Count us in! If there`s
going to be a paycheck, count us in!


SCHULTZ: Walmart is throwing a multimillion dollar tantrum and threatening
to vacate the D.C. area if Mayor Vince Gray signs the living wage bill into

Joining me now, a man who has been fighting for workers rights in
Washington, D.C., Reverend Graylan Hagler.

Reverend Hagler, great to have you on the show tonight. Thank you for the
work you do on behalf of working Americans.

What`s going to happen here? Do you think that the mayor is going to sign
this? Do you think that Walmart will leave? What would the repercussions

REV. GRAYLAN HAGLER, PRES., FAITH STRATEGIES: Well, we have a meeting with
the mayor this coming Tuesday, this coming Tuesday. And we`re going to
push him to sign the legislation when it reaches his desk.

SCHULTZ: So, you want him to sign it. I mean, this is the right thing to
do, right?

HAGLER: Sign it. It`s the correct thing to do. It`s $12.50 minus
benefits, minus benefits. That means someone who is paying $10 an hour can
add $2.50 an hour to pension or something like that. It`s the only right
thing to do because people can`t afford to live in Washington, D.C.

The value of rents are going up. The ability in the city has increased so
drastically that people are being forced out. And so, what we`re saying
you`ve got to make an investment in the neighborhood because if you don`t
invest in the neighborhood, what good is economic expansion if average
people don`t benefit?

SCHULTZ: Washington, D.C., could lose 1,800 jobs if Walmart pulls out.
Are you worried about that? Do you think another store would come in and
fill that void and hire workers at the wage you`re talking about?

HAGLER: Well, I think what we`re looking at, we`ve got 60 cranes on any
given day in operation in D.C., building luxury condos, new office
buildings, new apartments. You`ve got 1,000 families a month moving into
Washington, D.C. That`s a growing base. That`s a growing customer base.
Every single big box store wants to come in to that type of environment.

And in fact, what we call the bill is the Large Retailer Accountability Act
because it not only applies to Walmart, but it applies to every single
retailer that operates in stores of 75,000 square feet or more. And whose
parent company earns $1 billion in revenues or more; that they have to pay
the living wage.

SCHULTZ: Reverend, what do you say to those who have been on record who is
saying that Walmart is being picked on here, that Walmart is the villain?
What do you say to that?

HAGLER: Well, I`m saying that Walmart -- yes, is the worst offender out
there. They wanted to make this battle about them. This battle is not
just about them.

This battle is about economic justice in the city, economic justice in
Washington, D.C., that working families should be able to afford to live in
the city, to shop in the city, and to raise their families in the city.

And right now, they are being forced out. And Walmart, whose CEO earns on
average $11,000 an hour, is squabbling over paying a mere $12.50 to workers
in Washington, D.C., minus benefits. That`s shameful. Outrageous.

SCHULTZ: Could they afford it? I don`t mean to ask -- I mean, I have to
ask the pointed question. Can Walmart afford this?

HAGLER: That`s the issue. We`re saying those who can most afford to pay
it should. In my gospel, it says to those whom much has been given, much
is required. To those to whom much has been entrusted, even more will be
demanded. And basically, we`re asking for Wall Street step up to the
plate, the other large box stores step up to the plate and be good
corporate citizens.

SCHULTZ: This could be a template, possibly. You think this could have a
ripple effect, that other cities might follow this if this goes through?
I`m sure Walmart is thinking if it goes through here, if it came here, it
could happen wherever we have stores across America.

HAGLER: Well, I think every single city is watching this battle very
closely. We are saying to the mayor, how can you be about autonomy when it
comes to Congress, asking for a vote on -- in the Hill, and then turn
around and cave in to a bully that threatening to pull out because we
intend to be autonomous and self determinant?

SCHULTZ: All right. Reverend Hagler, great to have you on THE ED SHOW.
Thanks so much. Keep up the fight.

That`s THE ED SHOW. I`m Ed Schultz. See you tomorrow night at 5:00
Eastern. Good night.



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