THE ED SHOW
August 24, 2013
Guests: Hilary Shelton, Nina Turner, Asean Johnson, Randi Weingarten, Shoneice Reynolds
ED SCHULTZ, HOST: Good evening, Americans, and welcome to THE ED SHOW live
from Washington, D.C. It`s the last ED SHOW on a Saturday. Let`s get to
DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR., CIVIL RIGHTS ICON: I have a dream today!
SCHULTZ: The dream can only be realized if we pay attention to what`s
going on in our own backyard.
REP. JOHN LEWIS (D), GEORGIA: You`ve got to stand up, speak up, speak out,
and get in the way! Make some noise!
MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.: You cannot have economic and political equality
without having some form of social equality.
SCHULTZ: Stand tall in your community, fight for diversity, understand its
MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR: And I don`t think our society will rise to its
full maturity until we come to see that men are made to live together as
MICHAEL ERIC DYSON, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: Fifty years later, we need a team
effort to make his dream come true.
ERIC HOLDER, ATTORNEY GENERAL: Their march is now our march.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So on the anniversary of the march on Washington, our
grandchildren will not be fighting the same fight.
REV. AL SHARPTON, MSNBC HOST: We must give our young people dreams again.
UNIDENTIFIED BOY: I have a dream that we shall overcome.
MARTIN LUTHER KING III, HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVIST: I stand here today in this
sacred place, in my father`s footsteps.
MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.: My four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the
content of their character.
MARTIN LUTHER KING III: I, like you, continue to hear his voice crying out
in the wilderness.
MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.: I have a dream today!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are determined to continue the struggle.
SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight, folks. Thanks for watching THE
ED SHOW here on MSNBC, live from Washington, D.C.
Fifty years ago today, it was a very special day in American history. We
are here to commemorate that. Today, it has an eventful day here in
Washington, D.C., a day of reflection, but also a reminder to all of us,
where we have come a long way, we still have a long way to go.
I was on honored to be asked to speak here at the rally today in
Washington, D.C. to share my thoughts on what I think we need to focus on
in public education in America.
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SCHULTZ: Thank you. Thank you, Joe.
I am a product of forced busing for racial equality. I take you back to
the `70s, where diversity was a word that was foreign to America, but it
was the future.
I take you to Birmingham, Alabama, last night, where I did a radio town
hall and I can tell you what`s happening in America right now. The dream
can only be realized if we pay attention to what`s going on in our own
When we start picking and choosing neighborhoods, who`s going to get the
resources and who`s not going to get the resources, we will lose this
country, we will lose the vision of diversity, we will lose the opportunity
of equality to move all people forward.
You need to pay attention to what`s happening in your backyard to make sure
that your school and those young kids get the resources they need to have
an opportunity in America that help them grow. Being a product of the
middle class, I was the one who was afforded the opportunities.
And if we start picking and choosing neighborhoods, what kind of message
are we sending to the youth of America? That this is the vision that
they`re going to have? That this is what`s supposed to be for them?
No! That`s not what Dr. King`s message was. That`s not what America`s
focus is. And that cannot be the road to the future for America.
Stand tall in your community, fight for diversity, understand its strength,
and make sure that every school is resourced to give every American child a
chance to live the dream.
God bless you! Thank you!
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SCHULTZ: You know, over the years on THE ED SHOW here on MSNBC, we have
focused on income inequality. It has been one of the issues that we have
talked about. You are never going to be able to address income inequality
in this country in one election cycle or in a few years. It is a
generational effort. It`s a generational lift.
We showed the vulture chart on this program quite often, of where it`s all
gone to the top 2 percent over the last few years, and the middle class and
income challenged folks of this country, they have been flat-lined when it
comes to resources, when it comes to jobs, when it comes to opportunities.
And that`s why their income divide in this country continues to grow.
If we don`t address that through the educational system, we`re not going to
make progress. Educating young people of America, sending a message that
all children will have an opportunity when they go to public schools is the
only way we`re going to get out of this, to give us a chance and our kids
to compete in the global economy.
But what are we doing in America? We`re picking and choosing
neighborhoods. Some neighborhoods, the neighborhoods of predominantly
minorities, they`re not getting the resources that the middle class and the
rich folks in this country are getting.
And that`s what this march is all about -- equality. This is a wake-up
call to all Americans. And this attack that is going on in public
education in this country is going to destroy everything all these folks
have been working for, for generations.
We have to take it upon ourselves. We have to recognize the moment if
we`re going to start picking and choosing kids, who`s going to make it, and
if we are going to accept the fact that low wages in this country is a
thing of the future, we`re not going to be the great country that we can
realize. We`re to the going to be the great country that we can be.
Sure, there`s great things happening in our economy for the right folks.
There are certain things happening right now in America that need to be
challenged. This issue of voting rights, it`s deja vu. If you go back and
look at some of the interviews that Martin Luther King gave on "Meet the
Press" back in the `60s and listen to his answers, it`s almost as if we`re
right there today.
They are trying to take away the right to vote of some, not all, of some
Americans. There`s no voter fraud. What`s going on in North Carolina
legislatively, that`s the fraud. What`s going on in Texas legislatively,
that`s the fraud.
It`s a made-up story to go after minorities. It`s a made-up story to go
after the elderly, the poor, the economically challenged and also to set up
a bunch of hoops for the young kids in this country to get involved in the
I say we can win this fight. But today has to be a wake-up for all
Americans that we have a long way to go.
I want to bring in Hilary Shelton of the NAACP, "The Grio`s" Joy Reid, and
also Lehigh University professor, James Peterson.
Now, we all have -- we all have our issues. We all have things that we
believe in. I lived diversity. I went to a black high school. I saw
communities get resourced.
Back when I was in high school, we had after-school programs. We had
resources. There was no idea like, we`re not going to fund this school in
this district, but we`re not going to fund this one for certain reasons.
And we are setting a dangerous precedent in this country by accepting the
fact that teachers are the problem. That public education is failing all
across the board.
What`s failing is our commitment.
JAMES PETERSON, LEHIGH UNIVERSITY: That`s right.
SCHULTZ: You go past No Child Left Behind, and then you don`t bring the
federal money to the districts, how in the hell is that the kid`s fault?
It`s not the kids` fault. And today`s message has to be -- if we`re going
to be strong, we`ve got to finish the ride. We`ve got to stick to the
detail and do what we have to do as Americans.
Hilary Shelton, I know you`re passionate about this in many, many ways.
HILARY SHELTON, NAACP: Absolutely. Look, Ed, you`re absolutely right. If
you think about what we had, even when I was growing up, our public schools
got the resources they need, but even beyond that, there was this vision
for the future.
A Pell Grant going to Howard University would pay all of my tuition. I
just had to raise money for the room and board. Now, a Pell Grant won`t
buy your books.
It`s an issue of political commitment. Are we willing to take it on? Is
this a priority for America? Do we want to see Americans do better?
And you`re absolutely right. If you look at the disparities, even the form
of how we pay for our schools, it`s based on property values. But if you
look at what just happened with the economic downturn, we saw that African-
Americans lost half of their homes. We were at 44 percent. Now, we`re
down to 22 percent. That means not only did we lose half of our homes, we
lost half of our wealth.
How are we going to address those real problems and make sure we can get
these communities back on a pathway to prosperity? That`s the challenge.
SCHULTZ: I don`t think we can address income inequality in one or two
years, it`s going to be a generational effort.
Joy, if we start shortchanging kids at a young age, that`s a road to
disaster, in my opinion.
JOY REID, THE GRIO: Absolutely. And, Ed, you talk about going -- being a
product of forced busing. I mean, what people forget is that if you look
in the mid-1950s, after the Brown v. Board of Education decision in 1954,
there was a huge backlash against the ability of kids to integrate.
Why did they want to integrate? Because the schools in their community
were being under-resourced, because trying to get into a school with you
want to date books and technology was almost impossible for children of
color for African-American kids, and that fight was revisited again in the
After the civil rights movement and the successes of getting public
accommodations passed, of getting a Voting Rights Act passed, the next big
fight in the 1970s was busing, and it was the issue of people who lived in
the community when the tax base couldn`t support a decent school, which
meant you couldn`t get into the middle class.
I mean, the bottom line is that civil rights leaders have always
understood, the one way to lever yourself into the middle class is a good
education, and access to that was just as important, if not more important,
than getting to eat at Woolworth`s.
SCHULTZ: Dr. Peterson, you`re in education, and I want to touch on what
Hilary was talking about. Is it when you have economically challenged
neighborhoods, you can`t run a school system via property tax.
PETERSON: That`s right.
SCHULTZ: That federal money has to be there, if we`re going to be equal
But how do we get there?
PETERSONS: Well, there`s a couple things. We have to look at education,
almost the ways in which we`re looking at the infrastructure of this
nation. The public education is the centerpiece of the infrastructure of
You`re talking about the income gaps that have sort of expanded over the
last couple of decades. It will take us twice as much time to even attempt
to try to recoup some of that loss. But we have to actually prioritize.
And it`s a values issue. What do we value? And if we value public
education and we think of it as the sort of cornerstone of the actual
infrastructure of this nation, we might be able to sort of figure out the
ways in which we can allocate some of those federal dollars.
Now, at the end of the day, there are things we have to do, in the meantime
as well, which is those three to six hours, those after-school hours have
got to be funded and supported and staffed. You know, we`re coming back on
to a school year right now --
SCHULTZ: That is so important. I don`t mean to interrupt you. A kid that
comes home tired ain`t going to get in trouble, OK?
PETERSON: Yes, yes.
SCHULTZ: A kid that has his time occupied.
PETERSON: But most of them are getting in trouble during those hours. We
need to be educating our kids during those hours in order to sort of roll
back some of the challenges that we see here.
SHELTON: We`re talking about an education system based on an agrarian
society. When you have to go home and feed the chickens and slop the hogs,
that they got them out in the morning, that is not the reality today.
PETERSON: That`s right.
SHELTON: Kids get in trouble between 3:00 in the afternoon and 6:00 in the
evening, the time between which they get out of school and their parents
get home from work. That has to change.
SCHULTZ: All right. Switching subjects, personal -- your personal
experience, what do you take away from today? Joy?
REID: You know, I think it was amazing when you played that clip of Martin
Luther King Jr. saying he wanted a world where his four little children
could grow up being judged by the content of their character. And we
actually saw one of this has little children as a grown man now, MLK III,
and what a burden he has to bear.
And I think it was really profound to see him standing in the place where
his father stood when he was such a little child. And you have to ask
yourself, if he still lives in a world where the president of the United
States can talk about knowing the experience of being followed in a store,
understanding the experience of people worrying about him when he gets on
to an elevator, clearly we haven`t gotten there, but it really was profound
to see Martin Luther King III standing in that place.
SCHULTZ: Dr. Peterson, what`d you take away today?
PETERSON: I`m so emotional. It`s so incredible to be here and to be in
this place at this time of (INAUDIBLE). I`ve had my family here. I`ve see
someone who I know so many people here. But you can walk out here and you
can encounter history just by walking out here. You can shake hands with
history just by being here.
That is powerful. That`s why I think all those great folk that are out
here supporting you right now. And I hope that people understand --
listen, we know this is the moment and we`re going to embrace the moment,
but we`re also all committed to the movement. In this case, it`s about
education, but there`s other things you got to work on.
I hope that this is galvanizing and energizing for people the way it has
been for me and my family.
SCHULTZ: Hilary, your instinct, your heart, your soul, what comes out
SHELTON: Absolutely. Going back to `63, thinking about what Dr. King said
then. He said, we`ve come to Washington basically because we`ve been
offered a check that wouldn`t go through. The promise of America, the
promise of the Constitution, that promissory note very well came back
stamped insufficient funds.
This is where we stop for a moment, where we assess, where we`ve come in
the last 50 years, the things we`ve won, the setbacks we`ve experienced,
and then we rededicate ourselves so that movement, that vision that Dr.
King laid out that he called a dream.
SCHULTZ: And one thing that has really unfolded today in a number of the
speeches was the issue of voting rights.
This is the contemporary challenge. This is the attack on American voters
and this is something I think that this march has to take. The message has
to be, we have to fight back on a local level, and it`s going to take
mobilization, isn`t it?
I mean, this is going to be brilliant on the basics, getting everybody
involved, everybody that was here today has to be involved in their
communities. We`re going to have to have a whole new push on voter
PETERSON: And voter IDs. We have to get IDs while we`re still fighting
them for implementing voter ID laws. There`s a lot of things we have to
SCHULTZ: And that is the scary thing about North Carolina. North
Carolina, I was told on my radio show this week by several callers, there
are 300,000 people who vote that do not have a government ID in North
PETERSON: That`s right.
SHELTON: That`s right.
SCHULTZ: You know, not everyone has a driver`s license.
SHELTON: That`s right.
REID: Some people are older and don`t -- I mean, one of the consequences
of federalism is that your right to vote is inculcated in your state.
There isn`t a federal overarching right to vote. And a lot of people are
surprised to understand that the Constitution doesn`t provide an explicit
federalized right to vote. It`s all in your state.
So, the states have tremendous power. You can have more rights in state
"A" and across the border have fewer rights in state "B", depending on who
Listen, this is a lesson for every single voter. Don`t just vote for
president. You better vote all the way down that ballot and every election
because it`s going to --
SCHULTZ: That`s right. Hilary Shelton, Joy Reid, James Peterson, great to
have you with us on THE ED SHOW tonight. Thanks for your time.
We have a lot more coming up after this. This is THE ED SHOW live from the
National Mall in Washington, D.C.
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MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR: The demonstration was certainly for the voting
rights bill. However, we must recognize that there are other very tragic
conditions existing in the state of Alabama, which are as humiliating, as
degrading, and as unjust as the denial of the right to vote.
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SCHULTZ: Welcome back to THE ED SHOW.
Dr. Martin Luther King on "Meet the Press," back on March 28th, 1965. He
was talking about voting rights then. And fast forward 50 years to today,
we are talking about voting rights at this rally here in Washington, D.C.
Joining me now is Ohio State Senator Nina Turner, who is running for
secretary of state in the state of Ohio.
Nina, great to have you with us.
STATE SEN. NINA TURNER (D), OHIO: Good to be here, Ed.
SCHULTZ: The integrity of the vote and the attack on voting rights
obviously was big conversation here in Washington today. It is real, what
we`re seeing in North Carolina, what we were seeing in Texas, the attitude
of conservative legislators to restrict the vote, to make it harder. You
have seen in this Ohio as well.
Ohio is going to be huge in `14 and `16. In fact, we are reminded by the
political experts constantly that the road to the White House goes through
Ohio. What do you see unfolding? What is the landscape right now and what
has to be done?
TURNER: Well, there is a sense of synergy, energy, and urgency, Ed. I
mean, to hear what Dr. King just said, that clip you just played, it was as
if he was talking to us today. And he mentioned Alabama.
But, unfortunately, this is going beyond the South. Even in Ohio, as you
remember, last year, the secretary of suppression tried to take away the
last three days of early voting. He appealed all the way to the United
States Supreme Court, in the state of Ohio. But voters came out despite.
You know, African-American voters, Latinos, working class students, they
came out despite.
We have to take the energy that was created today. As the Reverend Lowery
said, he said, the more things change, the more they stay the same. And
that is unfortunate and it`s sad that we have to continue this battle. But
as Dr. Bernice King said, the struggle continues.
SCHULTZ: So the things that have legislatively succeed in North Carolina
were attempted in a big way in Ohio, but it was mobilization of the people
that turned it back.
TURNER: That`s right. And we`ve got to keep doing. Even just a few weeks
ago, Ed, a state representative from the GOP, and the GOP doesn`t want
people to vote, because they can`t win with better candidates and better
ideas. They try to rig and try to cheat. He just introduced a bill to
shave back, to cut in half the early voting days in the state of Ohio and
guess what, take away the last three days, that Sunday in particular.
And we know what they`re trying to do. We are better together and we`ve
got to lift our voices. The vote is the great equalizer in this country,
and we cannot have anybody try to take it away.
SCHULTZ: Do you think that North Carolina becomes the model? If what they
have tried, I mean, they have succeeded. It becomes a model of their
Is that -- I mean, you have been through this in Ohio, where polling
places, hours --
TURNER: You were with us, Ed.
SCHULTZ: -- attempted to be cut, absolutely. Why is it that there are
long lines in minority neighborhoods and yet plenty of machines in excess
in other neighborhoods of affluence?
TURNER: It doesn`t make sense. This is a class issue and it is a race
issue. But all Americans have to realize, no matter if you lean red, blue,
or somewhere in between, that our democracy demands equality of access to
the ballot box.
And elections have consequences, Ed. And we are seeing the consequence of
inaction in the 2010 election cycle. We cannot have that happen in 2014.
People have to get out to vote.
SCHULTZ: In your state, the secretary of state has a lot of power.
SCHULTZ: What would you do in 2016 if you were the secretary of state, if
you were successful in `14?
TURNER: Number one, fair elections for all. It doesn`t matter where you
are in the state. I certainly would not fire people on the board of
elections who are trying to expand the franchise. I would make sure that
people have access to the ballot.
Not only that, Ed, to tell them that every year is important. There are no
off-year elections. I would be the cheerleader in chief, so to speak, to
make sure that everybody lifts their voice from the school board member to
the township trustee to the mayor to the governor, to the president of the
Every election matters and we have to vote in people who care about
workers, vote in people who care about women and children. Vote in people
who care about the lives of the people in this country.
As secretary of state, I would make sure that everybody`s vote counted.
SCHULTZ: What do you take away from today?
State Senator Nina Turner of Ohio with us -- what do you take away from
today? What message got to your heart that will stay with you as you move
TURNER: Ed, I am the product of the civil rights generation. It is on
their shoulders I stand. And so, what I`ve taken away from this, I must
continue to lift my voice and fight for future generations, to have access
and to live a good life that starts at the ballot box our ancestors and
foremothers and forefathers paid the price, and we`ve got to keep it going.
SCHULTZ: Ohio State Senator Nina Turner, thank you for joining us. What a
fighter for the people.
We have a lot more coming up after this.
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through Friday, 5:00 Eastern.
I`m honored that he is asking me to come back, and yes, I am looking
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ASEAN JOHNSON: Every child deserves a great education. Every third
deserves equal funding and resources. I encourage all of you to keep Dr.
Martin Luther King Jr.`s dream alive.
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SCHULTZ: I am joined by one of the courageous young men standing up for
his education, Asean Johnson. He is a Chicago public schools student is
and speaker at today`s march with his mother, Shoneice Reynolds and Randi
Weingarten, president of the American Federation of Teachers.
JOHNSON: Thank you.
SCHULTZ: Fifty years ago, John Lewis was 23 years old, the congressman, he
was the youngest person ever to speak at the rally and now you have that
dubious distinction. And you had a lot to say.
Asean, congratulations. What was it like standing up there on the Mall, in
front of all of these folks?
JOHNSON: I felt pretty proud of myself, just to know that I have changed
the world and I have made a big difference in my life.
SCHULTZ: Well, it has made a big difference.
Where do you get the guts at a young age to speak up, at the age of 9 years
old, getting up there and telling it like it is?
JOHNSON: Well, I think I get it from my parents and my great grandfather,
because he was at this march when Dr. Martin Luther King spoke. I feel
really proud to know that my grandfather was here 50 years ago and now I`m
here 50 years later.
SCHULTZ: I think he`d be pretty proud that his grandson was speaking up
here today. You have taken on the issue of fairness and resources in all
the schools. You talk about this a lot. Tell us a little bit more about
what you would like to say that you didn`t have a chance to say today,
because everybody just got a few minutes. You know how that goes.
JOHNSON: Yes. Well, I wanted to say thank you, Randi Weingarten, for
helping me out and letting me speak today, but that was pretty much all I
wanted to say.
SCHULTZ: What about resources? What are you seeing in your schools? What
has to happen?
JOHNSON: Well, for this years, I really -- we really need debate team and
public speaking, because we doesn`t have that. And we need music. Because
even though we getting the iPads and I asked for the iPads and we getting
that, it`s still not enough. We need every single resource, because every
child deserves a great education, as I said in my speech.
SCHULTZ: Yes. Were you nervous going up there?
JOHNSON: Well, a little bit nervous, but not nervous, nervous.
SCHULTZ: You knew you had to do it, right?
SCHULTZ: Shoneice, tell us what it was like having your son up there on
the mall today speaking?
SHONEICE REYNOLDS, ASEAN`S MOM: It was -- there`s no words I could use to
describe it, to actually watch my son stand up there in front of thousands
and deliver a speech with no fear and just to express his self so
eloquently and to get his message out -- I`m very, very proud of him.
Cried the whole time. I cried the whole time.
SCHULTZ: You`ve got to be very proud.
REYNOLDS: I am.
SCHULTZ: He genuinely is touched by the issues you face in Chicago, isn`t
REYNOLDS: Yes, he is.
SCHULTZ: That, of course, comes from your involvement in the school system
REYNOLDS: My involvement in the school system and his involvement. He`s
always been active. He`s always been an activist, even when he was in
private school, he was.
So, his involvement is because he knows what he deserves and what he needs.
And it`s just -- it`s as simple as one, two, three. The resources aren`t
there, this is what we need. I had these things, why didn`t I have these
things in my other schools or even talking to other schools across the
city. Those schools have those resources, so why my school doesn`t have
And it`s a simple question that I could not answer. So he said, I would
rather ask someone who can.
SCHULTZ: The kids see it and, of course, your child has decided to speak
up and be a part of it.
How has he changed, at all, since when all of this has unfolded this
spring, to where we are now?
REYNOLDS: He hasn`t. He`s a little bit more, I would say, more
encouraging. I`m listening to him when he speaks to other children, a
young man that we saw, and the young man said something about him, and
Asean said, don`t doubt yourself, don`t be so hard on yourself, you have to
believe in yourself.
So I`m realizing that everyone he comes in contact with now, he`s giving
them some encouragement or some type of boost for their own confidence.
SCHULTZ: Tell us about that, Asean. Tell us about what you say to kids
JOHNSON: Well, I really say to them, believe in yourself and fight for
what you believe in, because you`re never too old or never too young to
listen. And you`re never too young or never too old to do something.
SCHULTZ: And (AUDIO GAP) and when you say that, what`s their response
normally? Do they listen?
JOHNSON: Well, yes, I think so, because I see a lot of young kids walking
around and they think they`re not -- they think they`re not perfect --
well, the only thing about perfect is imperfect, because you`re always not
going to be the perfect somebody. You`re not going to be perfect
So, that`s why you need to learn that there`s nothing wrong with being --
there`s nothing wrong with imperfection.
SCHULTZ: You`ve got a lot of heart, there`s no question.
Randi, this is certainly an unusual product, child, I called him a gift
from God today when I was on the air earlier. He really is the remedy to
what education needs right now.
RANDI WEINGARTEN, AMERICAN FEDERATION OF TEACHERS: Well, he -- we spoke
yesterday and Asean was talking about fourth grade. And what it really
means to not have enough fourth grade teachers. And was saying it in such
a way that anyone could actually close their eyes and hear, feel, and see
And I just thought, you know, we were very elated at the march, and I
wanted people to hear Asean more than, frankly, to hear Lee or myself.
That`s why we said, Asean, you`re going first.
WEINGARTEN: But that is, you`re absolutely right. First off, Asean is --
this is why we do public education. This is why we want to make sure that
kids have the opportunities to reach for the stars, to not only speak in
front of a Mall and this kind of confidence, but to then take that back and
do something with that.
And so, Asean`s probably going to be the next president of the United
States. Asean can do anything -- and I`m going to run your campaign, if
you let me. But the point is that that is why teachers do what they do.
That`s why we go into education to make a difference in the lives of
And so, when we see a 9-year-old child who can actually speak in front of a
Mall when most of us who are triple or quadruple his age would be nervous
as all get-out, that`s what public education is.
SCHULTZ: Here`s what I take from this whole thing, is that kids see the
difference. They see the inequities. A 9-year-old sees his school not
getting what others get. The heartless decision to close a number of
schools in Chicago in income-challenged neighborhoods. Why is that?
The message find very profound is the kids aren`t stupid. They see it,
they know what`s happening. They`re learning inequality at an early age,
which I think is terribly dangerous.
What Asean said to me yesterday that moved so much was when he said, and we
don`t need enough fourth grade teachers, so when I need one-to-one
tutoring, when I need some extra help, I no longer get it.
Now, at the end of the day, if we believe in the next generation of kids,
it`s time to stop talking about it rhetorically and start investing in
Our kids in urban education can do anything the kids (INAUDIBLE). They can
do anything that kids in private schools can do. But we have to create the
opportunity. That`s what Asean`s message was today, and that is what the
march on Washington is about this time. It`s about make sugar we create
opportunity. Whether it`s at the voting booth, whether it`s stopping stand
your ground laws, whether it is in public education, whether it is creating
a living wage, that is what our next generation of this fight should be
about. And I think and I was honored to have Asean with me, exemplifying
SCHULTZ: I think you`re spot-on. Asean, describe your friends. Are they
good kids that want to have a good shot? The kids in your neighborhood, do
they see what`s happening? Do they -- do you talk about it with them?
JOHNSON: Well, I really don`t really get to see them that much, because I
have been doing a lot of interviews and stuff, but I still go there to
school, and I will talk about it to them, like my teacher will ask me, like
to stand up and like tell to the teachers, well, like, what happened?
And I remember one time, they asked me to say something, like, when we was
doing a strike and they wanted me to come back, they wanted me to when I
came back from school over Christmas break, they asked me, what did I say
to my teachers, because I had some stuff about Rahm Emanuel and how he was
closing the schools and shutting down and how it wasn`t fair to us.
So I really talk to them about it and let them inform, like, with the
Walmart situation, they wasn`t giving no money back to public schools, and
I was trying to encourage them to tell their parents not to go to Walmart,
because every time they go to Walmart, they`re investing into another
school, they`re not investing into their schools, they`re not investing
into public schools.
SCHULTZ: Very good.
Shoneice, your son is put up with the issues in a big, big way. What`s his
REYNOLDS: What`s his future? God knows, but I know it`s a great one. I
know it`s a great one.
He`s very passionate. He, like you said, he gets it. So with those
things, it`s just as simple as reading information and evaluating it for
himself, without my opinion. You know? And from that, I know he has that
Right now, he`s going into fourth grade. And we really have a concern
about his fourth grade class. We lost three teachers, even though Marcus
Garvey stayed open, we lost three teachers and we found out one of the
teachers was his fourth grade teacher.
So, right now, there will be two fourth grade classrooms into one, that`s
39 kids in one classroom and right now, that`s my concern.
REYNOLDS: That`s my concern. I do not want my child in a class with 39
students, like he was saying to Randi yesterday, he`s not going to get that
one-on-one action. He`s not going to get that attention that he needs from
his teachers. He might not need it, and others students might need it.
So, that`s our concern right now.
SCHULTZ: All right. Shoneice Reynolds, Asean Johnson, congratulations.
Randi Weingarten, thanks so much.
Before we go -- before we go, tell me about football season. What`s
JOHNSON: Well, football season, I`m going to be wide receiver and running
back, because it`s like we have two mixed up positions, because it`s
between two people, me and my friend, his name is Roy. So if he`s going to
the eight hole, that means he`s going to the even side, and I`m going to
SCHULTZ: All right. So wide receiver and running back, that`s where we
JOHNSON: Yes. And --
SCHULTZ: You still a Chicago Bears fan?
SCHULTZ: All right. You know my buddy, Marc Trestman, is the new head
coach of the Chicago Bears. I think you ought to go coach him up a little
bit. He might need some help. I know he`d love to see you.
Great to have all of you with us. Thanks so much for what you did. Thanks
for coming here.
Coming up, we`ll hear from how the crowd here in Washington, D.C. is
working to advance Dr. King`s dream.
Stay tuned. We`re coming right back.
SCHULTZ: Great to have you back on THE ED SHOW.
As you can see, it`s been a very enthusiastic crowd all day long. I think
they got the message.
Where are you from, ma`am?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Columbia, South Carolina.
SCHULTZ: You came all the way up from Columbia, South Carolina?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I drove all the way.
SCHULTZ: What`s today mean to you?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, this is a return for me. It means a whole lot.
It means that some of the things that I fought for as a civil rights
movement veteran, that I`ve got to start out again.
And we`ve got to get our young people involved. And I`m glad to see so
many of them here today. And I hope that they`ve absorbed this spirit, so
they`ll go back to their communities and do what needs to be done.
SCHULTZ: It`s a day of passion, wasn`t it?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, it was.
SCHULTZ: What`s it mean to be here today?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It means so much to meet and see some other people
from history that I`ve wrote reports on in college. It`s very surreal.
So, it was really exciting
SCHULTZ: Where you from?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: From North Carolina, originally.
SCHULTZ: Well, North Carolina --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, I lived there (ph) --
SCHULTZ: Lots of things happening in North Carolina.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, it is.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Virginia`s governor, too.
SCHULTZ: How do you feel about what`s going on in North Carolina?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s definitely not good. Definitely, it`s taking
things backwards instead of going forwards.
And I think the people that -- especially the school situations, those two
colleges, everybody`s an American. Why are we going through this again?
And it`s unnecessary.
We all are living here as Americans. We should be able to participate,
regardless of the situation, the way they can vote. It`s ridiculous.
SCHULTZ: Isn`t it amazing that Dr. King was talking about voting rights 50
years ago, and now we`re right back -- how do you feel about that? It`s
just pretty amazing --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That we`re still talking about it opinion.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You would think that it would be dead issue, but it`s
not. You know, 50 years later, we`ve come a long way, but we`ve still got
a long way to go. That`s what the march is about today. You know, we`re
not done yet.
SCHULTZ: OK. So I get a sense the message has been received.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s right.
SCHULTZ: The challenge for this generation is there.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I agree with you. We`re from Texas.
SCHULTZ: From Texas?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
SCHULTZ: How did I get North Carolina and Texas?
This is not staged. I mean, really, North Carolina and Texas, where the
attack is on voters.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s right!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And on women.
SCHULTZ: And on women.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And on women.
SCHULTZ: Where are you from?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m from Fredericksburg, Virginia.
SCHULTZ: OK, great. Quickly, the message of today?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The message of today, my mother and father fought
this fight 50 years ago and my daughter will have to fight it in the
SCHULTZ: And we will be right back with more on THE ED SHOW live from
SCHULTZ: Welcome back to THE ED SHOW.
Starting this Monday, August 26th, THE ED SHOW will be moving back to the
weeknights at 5:00 p.m. Eastern Time. I want everybody at home to know THE
ED SHOW won`t change one bit. We`ve been on MSNBC for over four years now,
and the issues I care about that make this show what it is will stay the
same -- workers rights, protecting the middle class, health care, and of
course we always like to have some fun.
So, in case you missed it, here`s a quick recap of some ED SHOW moments
from this summer on the weekend.
SCHULTZ: You know what? We`re going back to work.
Safe landing in the big city. Here we are. We`re back on THE ED SHOW.
Not a whole lot has changed in the last few months. I haven`t changed, and
I want you to know that. And neither have the issues that I care about.
It`s Benghazi, it`s the IRS, it`s "The Associated Press". No, it`s B.S.,
and I`ll tell you why.
Seventy-three percent of Americans think that job creation is the most
important thing. Mayor Rahm Emanuel, he`s the expert, you know. He hand-
picks the Chicago School Board, voted to close 50 schools.
JOHNSON: Rahm Emanuel thinks that we all are toys.
SCHULTZ: And we have put the teachers in the crosshairs and made them the
Luckily for America, Michele Bachmann has announced she is not going to be
seeking a fifth term in the United States House.
REP. MICHELE BACHMANN (R), MINNESOTA: I haven`t had a gaffe or something
that I`ve done that has caused me to fall in the polls.
SCHULTZ: You heard it from Michele Bachmann herself. If we pray the gay
away, America will survive. Who in this country should align themselves
with a political party that would advocate discrimination?
RICK SANTORUM (R), FORMER SENATOR: What the left does, they make it
uncomfortable for students who come to Austin to shower at a Young Men`s
Christian Association, YMCA gym, because they live it.
SCHULTZ: What? If Republicans think we`re ready to say yes to the vest,
they can keep on pretending.
ANNOUNCER: Ladies and gentlemen, Ed Schultz!
SCHULTZ: We have some breaking news here on THE ED SHOW tonight.
Conservatives are angry with me.
Righties are upset because I correctly said that Republicans trashed the
city of Detroit.
SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I), VERMONT: This will shock you and shock some of
your viewers. There are many, many Republicans in Congress right now,
perhaps the majority, who not only are opposed to raising the minimum wage,
they want to abolish the minimum wage.
JOAN WALSH, SALON.COM: These guys are so used to going to their man cave
MEGYN KELLY, FOX NEWS: Why are you attributing that to women in the work
LOU DOBBS, FOX NEWS: Excuse me. Let me just finish what I`m saying, if I
may, oh, dominant one.
WALSH: Where they are stroked and petted and their egos are flattered.
SCHULTZ: Heavenly Father, thank you for Senator Ted Cruz of Texas.
There is no moral or religious case f taking away health care from 30
Make no mistake: a photo op with President Obama does not make Chris
Christie bipartisan. Accepting disaster relief, which was the right thing
to do, does not make Chris Christie bipartisan.
I have asked the governor. I`ve met him at the White House Correspondents
dinner, I said, why don`t you come on THE ED SHOW sometime? And he laughed
at me, he doesn`t need to come on my program, and quite honestly, I don`t
need to interview him. I`ve got all the information on Chris Christie that
I need, and I think the people need to get it, too.
SCHULTZ: So, you will see THE ED SHOW Monday through Friday, 5:00 Eastern,
starting this Monday, August 26th. That`s what it`s going to be all about.
This has been a very historic day for a lot of young Americans who weren`t
alive 50 years ago. They learned a lot today about what Dr. Martin Luther
King was all about, what his message was, and not only what it meant back
then, but what it means today.
What it means today is the challenges in many cases really haven`t changed.
There is an attack on voting rights in this country, and we were at the
cross roads when it comes to providing health care for all Americans. We
are seeing an attack on women`s rights in this country. We are also seeing
a separation of income inequality, where the wealthiest people in this
country get all the breaks and the attack on the middle class and the
attack on labor is very real.
So this crowd that was here today learned a lot of what Dr. Martin Luther
King was all about, his message, and they leave here today in Washington,
D.C., with a real challenge, to pick up the torch, to keep the fight, to
stay focused, to understand that all politics is local, and to take care of
their own backyard to make this a better community, a better country, a
better world. Following this rally is going to be something fantastic to
That`s THE ED SHOW. I`m Ed Schultz. Don`t forget, we`ll be back on
Monday, 5:00 Eastern, right here on MSNBC.
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