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THE ED SHOW
August 27, 2013

Guest:


ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening, Americans, and welcome to the
ED SHOW. Live from New York, it`s 5:00, let`s get to work.

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BILL O`REILLY, POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: How would Dr. King see the
current racial situation in America?

SCHULTZ: It took guts to do that then, and it`s going to take guts to
finish the job now.

O`REILLY: It is the collapse of the traditional family that is
wreaking havoc in the African-American community.

MARTIN LUTHER KING III: I stand here today in this sacred place, in
my father`s footsteps.

O`REILLY: The other issue is racial profiling and voter
identification requirements. Well, someone important are essentially a
sideshow.

SCHULTZ: Stand tall in your community. Fight for diversity.
Understand its strength.

O`REILLY: It`s a sideshow.

REP. JOHN LEWIS, D-GEORGIA: You got to stand up. Reach up, speak up,
and get in the way. Make some noise.

DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.: And I don`t think our society will rise
to its full maturity until we come to see that men are made to live
together as brothers.

O`REILLY: If Dr. King were alive today, I believe he would be
brokenhearted at what has happened to the traditional family.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight, folks. Thanks for
watching the Ed Show right here, 5:00 Eastern, Monday through Friday.
Chris Matthews is at 7:00. Stick around to watch his show. You know, Bill
O`Reilly is a guy that makes a lot of money in New York City.

He`s the guy who`s the mayor of cable. He has beaucoup ratings,
better than anybody else, no doubt about it. And he has it all wrong. If
you think that racism in America is dead, I`m here to tell you tonight, no,
it`s very much alive.

Now, this has been a very important week for America. This is only
Tuesday. We got a big day tomorrow. It`s a day of recognition. It`s a
day of understanding. It`s a day for us as a nation to move forward.

Now on Saturday, we celebrated the 50th Anniversary, the March on
Washington. Now, we`ve made progress socially when it comes to Civil
Rights of the last 50 years. But unfortunately, we still have a long way
to go. How many announcers have you heard say unfortunately we have a long
way to go?

How many cable heads have said, "Well, we`ve got a long way to go."
OK. I want to hear what the people have to say. I want to hear the people
say that we have a long way to go through their personal experiences about
what kind of America they`re living in, sitting on 6th Avenue in New York
City, and making the country think that you know all the answers that ain`t
going to cut it.

So, on Friday, last Friday night, I did a Town Hall radio meeting in
Birmingham, Alabama because I wanted to hear what the people have to say.
It all started in Alabama with Dr. King and after speaking to the people of
Jefferson County, there is no doubt racism is alive and well in the South.
And I think it`s growing.

This is what an Alabama public school teacher came to the microphone
and said.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And I have been a part of public education since
1970 when the schools were first integrated. I see more hatred in the
South now than I ever saw in 1970 and I`ll tell you why. It`s being
preached in the pulpits. It`s in the white churches. They are teaching
people that if you vote anything but Republican, you`re going to hell
pretty much.

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SCHULTZ: Oh, Mr. O`Reilly, couldn`t you have used that sun bite?
Well, no, you know heck of a lot more. It`s all stereotyping, isn`t it?
They are preaching it and people are buying it. One Alabama state
legislator told me a chilling story about a recent attempt to segregate a
local school.

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REP. MARY MOORE (D) ALABAMA: I got a call this week from white female
Republican. We have a school district in our county that has made
application to become independent. The reason she called me was because in
her church this past Sunday, they were bullied and told, "You`ve got to
support the school district pulling away from the county, so we can
minimize the number of blacks that`s in our school district."

And she was -- even though she was Republican, she was disheartened
because she says she never looked at the party from their perspective.

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SCHULTZ: Now, that was an elected official in the state of Alabama
talking about a story that she came up with that what she comes across in
everyday life. You know, I have to tell you. I`m a positive guy but I`m
also am a realist. And I`m not going to run away from the facts. These
folks in Alabama where the Civil Rights Movement all started still feel
like they are being axed by the American system.

I got to say it. I have to. I`m obligated to say it because that`s
what I heard. There`s an under a current of anger out there that there was
this conservative separatist movement that is taking grip in America to
separate. We`re not as equal as we think we are. And when we start going
into the educational system and start splitting up resources and short
change in certain districts and stories like that what that woman just
talked about. What kind of America are we living in?

Yes, we have a long way to go don`t we? It is sad. It is shocking
that stories such as that exist 60 years after Brown versus the Board of
Education was decided.

Now, essential thing of this Radio Town Hall Wednesday and Friday
night in Birmingham Alabama was I asked the question about people voting
against their own self interests. I mean if you look at it. The
progressive agenda in this country is all about workers, it`s all about
security, it`s all about equal rights, civil rights, women`s rights, social
justice all of the things that we just didn`t find in the South in our
history. This is what the progressive movement is all about.

One man told me the Republican misinformation machine is just too much
to handle.

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SCHULTZ: Why is it that people vote against their own best interest?
I`d like to know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think one of the reason why is because many
people and the people I know personally got jobs and many of them don`t
want to rock the boat. And many of them have told me keep your mouth shut
and because you might get terminated or you might get a backlash.

SCHULTZ: You`re talking about workplace intimidation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. From now (ph) he`s got too many people have
misinformation but they want to -- they don`t want to accept the facts and
sometimes the misinformation takes over the facts.

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SCHULTZ: Now, where in the world would they be getting all this
misinformation? Would it be right wing radio that permeates all throughout
the South where you can`t find liberal talk radio? Or anything else that
would compare to the spewing of hate that comes out across those states?
Why is it that the Republican Party has such a grip on the South? That was
one of the questions I asked. What is it about Republican policy when it
comes to cutting education, denying health care, going after pensions,
shipping jobs overseas. What is it that the South doesn`t get about
American workers?

Meanwhile, education cuts, Republican misinformation, and voting
against your own self interest, just the tip of the iceberg. The right to
vote is now under attack by Republicans all across this nation well-
documented on this network. This year alone, at least 82 restrictive
voting bills were introduced in 31 states. The South is trying to spread
my friends.

Republicans have realized that their policies simply do not speak to
Americans, so they`re trying to break the system, very clear, we`ve seen it
all. Radical voter ID loss, cuts through our early voting hours,
gerrymandering, redistricting, changes to registration when it comes to
same day registration. Make no mistake. Make no mistake that this is
racist. Make no mistake that these restrictive laws mostly impact poor and
African-American voters.

The very people you just saw stand up and tell those real life stories
about what`s happening in their backyard, good old Alabama. Man stood up
and said, "Ed, welcome to Alabackwards." Shocking stories of racist
behavior, they`re just not down in the South. You know what`s happening?
It`s popping up all over the place.

Last month, a group of 25 young African-Americans they were at a Wild
Wings Cafe in Charleston South Carolina. The manager allegedly told a
group of these kids that were in there, you know, a white customer felt
threatened, so they had to leave. The group was outraged and one of them
spoke up to a local news station about what actually happened.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She said, "Well, there`s a situation where one of
our customers feels threatened by your party. So she asked us not to sit
you in our section," which totally alarmed all of us because we`re sitting
there peaceably for two hours. I asked, I said, "I want to be clear with
you." I said "You telling me I have to leave." She said "I have a right
to deny you service." I said, "So you`re asking me to leave because you`re
upset because he was recording you." After we waited for two hours and
after they`ve already pretty much discriminated on us and she answered
"Yes."

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SCHULTZ: That`s America. At Wild Wings Cafe, well they apologized to
the group and they really wanted to make it right so they offered them all
a free meal. A little too late isn`t it?

It`s important to keep in mind that this incident, I guess you could
say as Rand Paul`s America. Some Republican`s think it`s their God-given
right to discriminate and they`re dangerously thinking it`s starting to
spread across America and it`s moving America backwards.

Let`s go to the prairie, that`s right, good old North Dakota. This
dangerous thinking is being taken to a whole new level. The town of Leaf
(ph) North Dakota has a population of 19 people. It`s just perfect for
what these folks what to do. And it seats in one of the least densely
populated counties in the entire country, Brent County.

Now the town is surrounded by beautiful rolling hills, and wheat
fields, great agriculture and cattle, and all that kind of stuff, you know,
it`s got the local bar. It`s got some rundown homes and buildings and what
not. It`s perfect for this guy, 61-year-old Craig Paul Cobb wants to set
up a racist utopia. Cobb has been called one of the most extreme white
supremacists and Neo-Nazis in the country.

So what`s the guy doing? He`s build -- buying a bunch of real estate
the area and he wants people to move in. And he plans to fill the town
with other racist that basically want to take over the community. It`s the
conservative separatist movement in America. A blog post to Cobb wrote
this, residence in his town must fly a racist banner like a Nazi flag 24
hours a day. The delusional racist plans to rename the city, Cobbsville.
This guy is dangerous.

The 19 residents of this small town are scared, the rarest phone is
ringing off the hook and the local sheriff says, "Well, I`ll keeping an eye
on it." We took it further. We asked the Republican North Dakota Governor
Jack Dalrymple for a comment on the issue, called his office five times
today. So far we have not received a response.

I think it says a lot of other man who refuses to condemn a planned
racist community in his own state. But you know what? If we don`t talk
like this and bring out these instances. How are we going to move society
forward? If we`re afraid to address them, how do we more forward? Yes.
It has wretched it up quite a bit since President Obama took the oath of
office hasn`t it. He`s a socialist. He`s a communist. He`s a Marxist.
We`ve heard it all. And the low information voters are buying this stuff,
but what`s really bad about it all as we go into year five, almost year six
of President Obama.

Now, this white separatist conservative movement starting to
infiltrate into the legislative process in America and we seat here silent
about it. I will not. This is dangerous for the country and it needs to
be directly addressed.

Governor Dalrymple, own up, dude. Do you want this stuff on your
backyard and leave North Dakota? Is that the North Dakota way? Get your
cellphones, I don`t want know what you think tonight`s question.

Will conservatives ever have the character to truly condemned racism
in America. Text A for yes, text B for no to 67622. You can always go to
our blog at ed.msnbc.com. We`ll bring you the results later on in the
show. For more, let`s turn to Hilary Shelton of the NAACP and Ohio State
Senator Nina Turner.

Mr. Shelton, it has been 50 years since the March on Washington. We
all want to feel like we`re moving forward but when stories like this prop
up. When I go to Alabama and I hear these comments. I think, "Yeah, we
get along way to go," but these folks in many ways are still living it.
What`s the solution Mr. Shelton?

HILARY SHELTON, NAACP WASHINGTON BUREAU DIRECTOR: We have to continue
expose people to the realities of how diverse our society is. We have to
make sure that our laws are enforced. We have anti-discrimination laws.
When you did about the man that wants to set up a compound and then begin
renting to selling houses, but will only do it to people who are -- wildly
believe in his very racist philosophies. That`s housing discrimination.

So we have to move beyond that to talk about just how ridiculous it is
that some people still hold on to this white supremacist mindsets in the
midst of a county, district (ph) coming every more diverse. Guys continue
to share that information. Continue to educate our children on just how
trouble and dangerous and even at times, deadly this particular
perspectives are.

SCHULTZ: You know, you have to got different pockets in this country.
It seems like we have good diversity on the east and the west coast, then
there`s the south, and then there`s the middle of the country where the
misinformation highway just flows.

Nina Turner, after seeing those examples of racism, what can we do to
move America forward?

SEN. NINA TURNER, (D), OHIO: Well, again, Ed, it begins with the
conversations that we have to have with our neighbors, you know, when you
have people that paint one group as the other, I mean just even hearing
some of the things that you`re talking about. I`m glad that you`re
bringing this to light, and that your hair is on fire about this because we
cannot tolerate this kind of behavior in the great nation that we live in,
but we have got to communicate with one another and get to know one another
better and understand that they are still inequities in the 21st century as
hard as that may be for every -- for some people to believe. Everybody
does not run the race at the same pace. Everybody didn`t start off with
the same opportunities.

And so as the greatest country on the face of the earth, we have an
obligation to the people of this country to make things right. Africa-
Americans are not delusional about racism and discrimination. Our Latino
brothers and sisters are not delusional.

These things are happening and so we have to admit that they`re
happening. Admit that we have made progress but also admit that we have
mighty long way to go.

SCHULTZ: I mean going down and talking to the people and listening to
their life experiences is what I think we have to do as a country and
address their issues. I want to play a clip now of Bill O`Reilly`s
criticizing Saturday`s march on Washington. Here it is.

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O`REILLY: On Saturday tens of thousand of folks gathered in
Washington to honor Dr. King`s crusade but sadly, sadly most of the
speeches were heavy on grievance light on problem solving.

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SCHULTZ: Mr. Sheldon what`s your response to that?

SHELTON: He truly misses the point. If you sat through and listen to
those speeches you heard a couple of things going throughout the entire
process. One is that analysis of where we`ve come from, the things that
we`ve been able to achieve, the challenges that are still before us and
what we must do together to solve those problems.

And Mr. O`Reilly missed the solution portion of it. Mr. O`Reilly
clearly wasn`t listening to what was being done on the mall on last
Saturday.

SCHULTZ: Nina, do you think that America has become more racist after
President Obama was elected?

TURNER: Well we certainly see signs of that.

SCHULTZ: I mean it`s in the legislative process what we`re seeing is
more restrictive legislation being pushed forward on women`s rights, on
voting rights. I mean this stuff isn`t being pushed by Democrats. This is
being pushed by the anti`s who can`t stand the president.

TURNER: And your point about voting for yourself interest that all
working class people regardless of their ethnicity need to have people
elected to office that care about them. Absolutely so elections have
consequences and we have got to come together and make sure that we elect
people who care about workers, care about women, care about children and
care about America. We are better together.

SCHULTZ: And get him on the record on that. Hilary Shelton and
Ohio`s state Senator Nina Turner, great to have you with us tonight.

TURNER: Thank you.

SCHULTZ: Ted Cruz is burning rubber spreading his anti-ObamaCare
message across country. We`ll look at the -- whether he is leaving a mark
on the American people and a reminder don`t forget to check out Hardball
with Chris Matthews that`s coming up new time 7:00 live Eastern. We`ll be
right back here on The Ed Show. Stay with us.

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SCHULTZ: And now for the trenders, the Ed Show social media nation
has decided and we`re reporting. Here are today`s top trenders voted on by
you.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our number three trender, private dancer.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But Collin Pall`s (ph) not the only one with some
smooth moves.

The number two trender, taking the cake.

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man, our governor, Governor Christie.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Chris Christie gets a big endorser from Jersey`s
other boss.

GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE (R) NEW JERSEY: So I got buddy on the team now.
This is good news for me and bad news for anybody who`s against us.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And today`s top trender, hitting Cruz control.

SEN. TED CRUZ (R), TEXAS: Now, is the single best time to stop Obama.
There is no more important regulatory reform we could do, than to repeal
every single word of Obama. Nothing is more important than a fight to
defund ObamaCare. Because now is the single best time we have to deep on
ObamaCare.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The anti-ObamaCare tour rolls on.

CRUZ: ObamaCare is the biggest job killer in this country. The
people its hurting the most, are the most vulnerable among us. The people
who are losing their jobs are young people, or Hispanics or African-
American.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 17 million African-Americans and Latinos will be
able to get coverage through ObamaCare.

HOWARD DEAN: Ted Cruz maybe a very good politician, but he certainly
didn`t know any about health care.

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SCHULTZ: Jordan Allison, MSNBC contributor Dr. Zeke Emanuel Vice
Provost for Global Initiatives at the University of Pennsylvania. Doctor,
good to have you with us tonight.

DR. ZEKE EMANUEL, VICE PROVOST, GLOBAL INITIATIVES AT UNIVERSITY OF
PENNSYLVANIA: Nice to be here.

SCHULTZ: Is it true that Americans are losing their jobs because of
ObamaCare?

EMANUEL: No. Most economic analysis certainly when you look overtime
and that just minute to minute which is affected by many fluctuations in
the economy actually with ObamaCare controlling health care cost, there
will actually be a creation of jobs and actually more money in the pocket
of most Americans.

So it`s counter -- it`s not related to the facts, but that isn`t
what`s at stake here. Most of the toned up rhetoric is afraid that once
ObamaCare starts and people like what they have, it will become a permanent
picture like Medicare and that scares, I think many people who have opposed
it because they will find that Americans consider it a good thing and give
credit to President Obama for it.

SCHULTZ: Well, I don`t think there`s any question about that. Fast
forward, one year from today. What are the stories going to be like?
What`s the societal talk going to be about ObamaCare and it`s going to be
very hard for the Republicans to go home and say, "Well, I was against it,
but I know you like it." Now, that`s not a good place to be. What are
people missing about ObamaCare? Is it the sell job? As we -- go ahead.

EMANUEL: I think part of it is, there`s just a lot of uncertainty.
What is the exchange going to look like? Is it going to be easy to shop?
How much is it going to cost me? We just don`t know and uncertainty always
causes anxiety. I think one year from now we`ll have been through a whole
cycle of the exchanges, people will see what they can get on the exchanges
and we`ll be in a very, very different place. We`ll know exactly how many
Americans have signed up in the exchanges. Is it the 7 million, the
congressional budget office predicts, or is it more as many states are
predicting?

SCHULTZ: Yes.

EMANUEL: So, I think uncertainty breeds anxiety and fear, I think a
year down the line. We`re not going to have that kind of uncertainty.
We`re actually going to see much better what this has to offer. And again,
I think in the long term for many people, its unbelievable safety net.
Remember, if you have a disease or a relative has a disease. This ensures
that no matter what happens whether you lose your job or whether something
else happens. You have health insurance at a reasonable affordable price.

SCHULTZ: Anything negative thrown out by the conservatives to the
antis? What you just said from everything that`s what we talked about on
the program last night. The pre-existing condition is a game-changer. It
is a life saver for many, many Americans.

What about the employer mandate? Now you are very involved in putting
this law together. Your thoughts, why did they delay this? Is it just a
matter of just getting it right and taking it -- taking your time?

EMANUEL: Well, the law is written. It`s not I think the easiest to
apply and get regulations for that were better alternatives. And why they
were taken I think is left in the history books. The fact is this
provision whether 30 hours is a full time employee is hard to enforce when
you come down to people who work seasonally or episodically, you know.

For me it ends the professorial (ph), that`s people who teach one
semester but not another. Are they full time employees? And I think
that`s why they`ve delayed. But they`ve let it be known to employers that
this delay is -- it`s a one year delay. It`s not going to last forever.
And I think.

SCHULTZ: Here`s what I think is going to happen.

EMANUEL: . that`s going to require them to step up to the play.

SCHULTZ: Here`s what I think is going to happen. And this is what I
think the conservatives are really scared about from an industry
standpoint. You could make the case in the insurance industry that GEICO
has changed the game. They`ve changed the rules the way they`ve marketed.
They`ve changed the rules in their -- the way they charge. They are
cheaper than others.

They are afraid that the industry is going to get like that and
they`re not going to be able to stop it because people are going to shop
around in these exchanges, they`re going to have better opportunities, and
they`re going to have lower rates. We`re already seeing it in New York and
we`re seeing it in California. We`re going to see it in every state that
has an exchange. You agree that this could happen in health care as it`s
happened .

EMANUEL: Wow.

SCHULTZ: . happened in general insurance?

EMANUEL: Almost all of the experts in health policy who have been
pushing and advocating for the exchange agree that a critical element of
the exchanges is to put downward price pressure on insurance companies and
for insurance companies therefore to put downward price pressure on
hospitals and doctors. That is very important. We know that, you know,
when you get insurance from your employer, you`re not the real purchaser.
The HR department of a big corporation .

SCHULTZ: Exactly.

EMANUEL: ... is the real purchaser. And they don`t have a -- they`re
not as sensitive to the price, whereas in the exchanges, there will be a
lot of price pressure to bring rates down. And we are, as you point out,
already seeing that.

SCHULTZ: All right. Dr. Zeke Emanuel, good to have you with us
tonight.

EMANUEL: Good.

SCHULTZ: Thank you so much. Still to come as tensions rise over
Syria, Congress remains dreadfully silent. Colonel Jack Jacobs and Robert
Greenwald, the brave new films will join me with reaction. Should we
strike the Syrians?

And later, fast-food workers set up their fight for a living wage.
I`ll talk with Mary Kay Henry, the Service Employees International Union.

But next, I`m taking your questions on Ask Ed Live just ahead. Stay
with us on the Ed Show on MSNBC. We`ll be right back.

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SCHULTZ: Welcome back to The Ed Show. You follow me on Facebook and
at Ed Show, all that good stuff in the social media. We appreciate it
because we love hearing from our viewers.

Tonight in our Ask ED Live segment, the question comes from Cordell
Garrett. Do you think some on the right are itching for a race war in this
country? God forbid, talk about transparency or producers put that
question up. I think that we in the media have a responsibility to tone
things down when it gets hot, if you know what I mean.

No, I don`t think there is going to be a race war in America and I
don`t think there are some, when you say some on the right, I mean, about
3,000, 4,000, 10,000 whatever. I`m trying to answer this directly as I
possibly can, I don`t think there`s going to be a race war in America or
would I ever advocate that. But I do think the conservatives will do just
about anything to concentrate the wealth and to control of the government
and that`s what we`re seeing. These are the kinds of things that we`re
seeing and the trends that we`re seeing when it comes to legislation being
introduced to take people`s rights away.

Our next question is from Ray (ph). Ray says, do you ever see the day
that lie detectors are going to be used on the Sunday News talk show? You
mean you think they actually lie on Sunday? Come on, they all tell the
truth especially about ObamaCare. No, but I`ll tell you what, I think it
would be a great promotion to have the first Sunday talk show use a lie
detector stick around. Rapid Response panel coming up.

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SEN. ROBERT BYRD (D), WEST VIRGINIA: Yet this chamber is for the most
part ominously, ominously dreadfully silent. Oh, you can hear a pin drop.
Listen. You can hear a pin drop.

There is no debate. There`s no discussion. There`s no attempt to lay
out for the nation the pros and cons of this particular war. There`s
nothing.

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SCHULTZ: Lay out for the nation the pros and cons. Welcome back to
the Ed Show, that was the late senator Robert Byrd from West Virginia
speaking on the eve of the Iraq war back in 2003.

Ten years later, we find ourselves in a similar position as President
Obama decides how to respond to reported widespread chemical attacks in
Syria. Secretary of State John Kerry issued a statement saying the Obama
Administration was consulted with allies and members of Congress.

According to officials the US Military strike could launch as early as
Thursday. Britain`s Prime Minister David Cameron has recalled parliament
from their summer vacation to vote on whether Britain should take part in
military action.

In the meantime, the United States Congress remains in recess.
They`re not scheduled to be in session until September 9th. House Speaker
John Boehner has had preliminary communication with the White House but
according to a spokesman Boehner, "Has made is clear that before any action
is taken, there must be meaningful consultation with members of the
Congress."

Joining me now on our Rapid Response panel MSNBC military analyst and
Medal of Honor winner recipient, that would be Col. Jack Jacobs. And also
with us tonight Robert Greenwald, Political Activist and Founder of Brave
New Films gentlemen thanks for joining us tonight. There is a lot to
unpack here, colonel. no question about it.

What would be the criteria of a strike? How much latitude is the
President going to have without going to Congress?

COL. JACK JACOBS, MSNBC MILITARY ANALYST: Oh, I think he`s got
enormous latitude as long as he doesn`t put people on the ground, I think
the Congress will probably let him do whatever he wants. The Congress can
always stop everything by -- not because they control the Congress controls
the first strings. But they`re A, at a session, B, they are ominously
silent and C, there`s been a lot of pressure on the President from the
other in the Pennsylvania Avenue to actually act in this case. So I don`t
think you`re going to hear anything from him.

SCHULTZ: How tough would a surgical strike be? Do we have immense
capability? I mean the Russians are very close to the Syrians, if we get
into it with them is this going to be American technology versus Russian
technology?

JACOBS: Oh, I think you`ll see that. When you and I were talking
earlier about the fact that there`s a good possibility that the Syrians had
the latest in Russian technology and that there will be the battle of the
technologies.

In terms of what we can do and what we will do. Those are two
different things. We have the capability to do enormous damage to the
Syrians but we`re not going to do very much. It is going to be a message
because we`ve been backed -- we backed ourselves into a corner by saying,
"We will strike and now we have to strike." But I think it`s -- by and
large it`s going to be just a message and nothing more. We`ll probably
attack airfields, make it extremely difficult for the Syrian air force to
ever get up again and we will attack, launch platforms like missiles --
missile platforms and so on, many of which are mobile. But attacking troop
formations, putting troops on the ground and so on we`re unlikely to do.

SCHULTZ: Robert Greenwald, it doesn`t sound like if. It sounds like
when and recent polling shows that the American people aren`t really too
fired up about all of this. Forty-two percent of Americans prefer to
provide only humanitarian assistance.

How does this play in your opinion with the American people? What
would be the aftermath of a strike?

ROBERT GREENWALD, FOUNDER BRAVE NEW FILMS: Well, first of all,
talking about the American people, Ed, I want to just say for myself and so
many people on. I`ve gotten e-mails in Facebook and tweets, all people who
are dancing in the streets and happy that you`re back on the air nightly.

SCHULTZ: Well, thank you. I appreciate it.

GREENWALD: So good to have you and good to have you asking these
questions.

Look, the opinion polls are very clear in terms of what the American
people want. Unfortunately, tragically, sadly, we see a small group of
people in Washington making decisions without consulting Congress, without
consulting the American people and it`s very hard to fathom how this ends.

We know it`s easy to get into a war. We know the wrong people always
wind up getting killed. How do you get out and how does a bombing save one
life of one Syrian? I defy anyone to explain that to us.

SCHULTZ: Well, do you think there should be a response to the Syrians
now that we have evidence that they have used chemical weapons on
civilians?

GREENWALD: Absolutely. The chemical weapons are beyond horrific,
awful. You can`t look at those pictures without being deeply affected and
the response must be aggressive forcing and put -- bringing together the
different parties so there`s a cease-fire. That`s the only way it`s going
to end.

Both sides in the Syrian conflict are getting money and they`re
getting military support from outsiders, the Syrian government and the
rebels. That needs to be stopped and the only possible way will be
bringing people for a cease-fire. It`s never ever going to end by more
strikes, more bombing and more killing.

SCHULTZ: Colonel, the response to the response. What kind of
capability does Syria have?

JACOBS: Well, they have great regional and local capability and you
can bet that one of the reasons we haven`t launched anything yet is
because, among other people, we`re talking to the Israelis because the
Israelis and we assume that any attack on Syria is liable to engender a
response on Israel from Syria and don`t forget you`ve got Iraq, Iran in the
mix as well. Now, it`s very, very dangerous.

You mentioned the Russians too and it`s worth bringing this up again.
The Syrians on the ground are not manning all the stuff by themselves. The
Russians are on the ground. They have advisers, both military and civilian
advisers on the ground and you can bet that collateral damage is liable to
be the killing of Russian citizens in Syria and one of the things that`s
keeping us from launching anything right away and has been for a long time
is the Russians involved. They don`t want us to get involved. The
Russians don`t for a wide variety of reasons and the Russian presence on
the ground in Syria ought to give us pause.

SCHULTZ: OK, Robert Greenwald, quickly. What if President Obama does
nothing? What if we just stand -- we watch this unfold and the United
States does nothing?

GREENWALD: Well, I think the thing we should be doing, as I said, is
pushing hard for a peace conference. You know, the joint chiefs -- the
head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff talked about, look, military can tip the
military balance but it can`t deal with the fundamental problems here which
is our religious, ethnic, tribal, long-term civil war that`s going on and
we can use our resources. We can bring pressure to bear on our allies and
the people who are opposing so that there`s some kind of an effort to end
the war and the only way that`s going to happen, Ed, I mean it sounds
simple but it`s the only -- and it`s very complicated, it`s very hard is
with bringing the parties together and ending the conflict.

SCHULTZ: Colonel, we`ve got two carrier groups in the area and we`ve
got air strike capability from Turkey. Would that be enough?

JACOBS: Yes, it depends on what your objective is and I think our
objective is extremely limited. If we were to launch an attack it would be
merely to send a message to Assad and to fulfill the promise that the
president, I think in mistake, made when he said we`re going to -- they
used chemical weapons, we`re going to act.

Don`t announce in advance what you`re going to do but now having said
that, the short answer is yes, that`s plenty of capability.

SCHULTZ: OK, Colonel Jack Jacobs and Robert Greenwald, great to have
you with us tonight. Thanks so much.

Up next the half-term Alaska governor`s lesson on hard work lands her
in Pretenders. Stay tuned.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCHULTZ: And in Pretenders tonight, the Wasilla, Alaska workaholic,
Sarah Palin, praising an actor`s speech on work ethic. Palin momentarily
forgot the four jobs she quit on her way to the interview.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SARAH PALIN: That was inspiring. I think Ashton`s going to help make
the idea of wanting to work cool again. I appreciated that he was so bold
in speaking truth to power there to the youth of America. More Americans
and in this younger generation, they need to hear this. "That man was
created to work. That`s where we get our sense of self."

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Yes, Palin`s the queen of the quitters, isn`t` she? She
abandoned her post as governor of Alaska. The bus tour was kind of a bust.
She broke up with Fox News then dumped her next project to come crawling
back. Everyone wonders, what`s next for the Alaskan wonder?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PALIN: The door is never going to be closed in terms of opportunity
that could be out there to serve people who are deserving of those with
common sense conservative values.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Oh yeah. Sarah, quit while you`re ahead. It takes a lot of
hard work to be this big of a quitter. But if Palin thinks that she can
lecture us on hard work, she can just keep on pretending.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCHULTZ: Punching in, punching out. Welcome back to The Ed Show.
This is the story for the folks who take a shower after work, the workers
of America.

A mobilization of fastfood workers is about to get super sized.
Fastfood employees went a living wage of $15 an hour. The current federal
minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. Yesterday on this very program, Senator
Barbara Boxer called for the minimum wage to be raised to 10 bucks an hour.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. BARBARA BOXER (D), CALIFORNIA: We need to raise the minimum
wage. That will make a huge difference out there. People are struggling.
The difference between the very wealthy and the working poor has grown. If
we raise that minimum wage and we move forward with the vision of this
president that we have --

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Fastfood restaurant workers are also fighting for their
right to unionize without intimidation. In 1963, just a short time before
the historic "I Have a Dream" speech, Martin Luther King said on -- this on
meet the press.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KING: I think that it is necessary for the nation to rise up and
engage in a massive economic withdrawal program on the State of Alabama.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: He was talking about a general strike. Just -- in just two
days, thousands of fastfood workers as in many as 50 cities will rise up
and engage in a massive economic withdrawal program by taking part in a
one-day strike. And many of those picketers are backed by the Service
Employees International Union.

Mary Kay Henry, SEIU President joins me now. Ms. Henry, great to have
you with us tonight, I appreciate your time.

MARY KAY HENRY, SERVICE EMPLOYEES INTERNATIONAL UNION PRESIDENT:
Hello, Ed.

SCHULTZ: This is something that folks have been working on for some
time. $15 an hour is more than double the current federal minimum wage.
Is protesting enough to convince fastfood corporations and franchises to
double-pay their workers. What do you think is going to happen here?

HENRY: I think that the workers will tell that story and that these
strikes that are planned on Thursday are part of a growing movement where
these workers are saying low wages for the work we do everyday is wrong.
And that when you work hard for a living, you ought to be able to pay rent,
put food on the table and expect that your children are going to do better
than you do. And that promise has been broken and these fastfood workers
are standing up for themselves and for all of us.

SCHULTZ: What are your expectations? How widespread is this is going
to be across the country?

HENRY: Well, it was New York only in November. Chicago followed in
December and then nine more cities joined them this spring. And so, now
that it`s to 50, in August, I have yet to see where it will go. But I
think it`s so inspiring that that`s why our members and community groups
and faith leaders wanted to join these workers and support their very
reasonable demand that the profits that they help create for the big three
multinationals in this country get reinvested in the work they do everyday.

SCHULTZ: You know the numbers are pretty interesting. More than 42
percent of restaurant and fastfood employees are over the age of 25 and
have at least some college education, 753,000 have a bachelor`s degree or
higher .

HENRY: Right.

SCHULTZ: So, I guess we`re not talking about teenagers after school
work here. I mean we`re talking about .

HENRY: Not anymore.

SCHULTZ: . people -- OK. So, this industry has changed.

HENRY: Yes.

SCHULTZ: Do you think the McDonald`s of the world and the Burger
Kings are going to say, "OK, we got to pay more?"

HENRY: I think that the workers joining together and with us
supporting them are going to be able to make a very legitimate case that we
have to change the direction of this low-wage economy. And it begins with
fastfood but it should expand to retail. It should include Wal-Mart.

Every low-wage worker who works for a living should not be living in
poverty in this country any longer. And thank God for the fastfood workers
standing up and making this case.

SCHULTZ: Why haven`t unions organized labor been able to penetrate
Wal-Mart?

HENRY: I think because this company is incredibly resistant but the
Wal-Mart workers have also been incredibly resilient and I think that story
is being written as we speak as well.

SCHULTZ: Well, that story being written, meaning you think that
someday you`ll have Wal-Mart workers unionized?

HENRY: Yes, I do.

SCHULTZ: How soon?

HENRY: I don`t know, Ed. I think when you look at the history of
workers coming together. We had immigrant janitors in the 20. It took
them 10 years to establish our union. We had home care workers in
California. It took them seven years to establish their living wage.

And security officers all across this nation are joining together,
they`re winning living wages. Hotel workers are doing it, auto parts
workers. I think it`s incredibly possible when people come together .

SCHULTZ: Yes.

HENRY: . to make changes that you can`t imagine possible today.

SCHULTZ: Now, a moment ago we drew the parallel between what Dr. King
was talking about back in the `60s when he talked about a general strike.
Do you think that will be effective, that consumers -- I mean back then,
Dr. King was saying, "Don`t buy anything from Alabama?" He was talking
economic boycott of the state of Alabama. How far will this go?

HENRY: Well, I think it`ll be effective if all of us take
responsibility for supporting these workers and understand that they`re not
just standing up for themselves. They`re standing up for all of us.

SCHULTZ: Yes.

HENRY: So, government needs to do its part by raising the minimum
wage. Workers need to be supported by all of us, and employers need to
come to the table and reinvest in American workers again.

SCHULTZ: All right, Mary Kay Henry, Service Employees International
Union, great to have you with us on the Ed Show. Thanks so much.

That is the Ed Show. PoliticsNation is next. Following, Hardball
with Chris Matthews and its due time 7:00 Eastern. We`ll see you see back
here tomorrow night at 5:00 Eastern.

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