THE ED SHOW
November 1, 2013
Guest: Jim Wallis, Goldie Taylor, Bob Shrum, Holland Cooke
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sean Hannity. We are at President George W.
Bush`s ranching corporate Texas.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The suck up and head up the You Know What Award
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn`t realize right now because I`m talking to
you my buddy, my buddy.
ED SCHULTZ: Hannity is a known wire.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. It`s just kind of set up. It was Sean
Hannity creating with all (inaudible) village.
SCHULTZ: Hannity, is he (inaudible) put a few words from a sentence
to fit his message?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This knuckle head. This idiot.
SCHULTZ: Sean, wherever you want to debate, you name the place, the
time. Come on give me a chance, Sean. L et`s see if I`m the knuckle head
that you think I am. Let`s have a debate Hannity.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ED SCHULTZ, ED SHOW HOST: It`s Friday. Good to have you with us
tonight folks. Thanks for watching.
Who do you trust? You know, trust is a heck of a thing. Trust is
huge in your personal life. Who do you trust in business? Who do you
trust people at work, people at your neighborhood? Who do you trust on
ObamaCare? All the coverage that`s out there and everything that`s taking
place, especially this week. This week has really been a very interesting
week but who do you trust, and what influences you?
You know, when I was growing up, there was a lot of news in the 60s.
My mom was a high school English teacher. My dad was an aeronautical
engineer, he worked for the government the (inaudible) Naval Airbase. And
when they would come home, we`d have dinner. It was -- it`s pretty
traditional back in those days, you know. We sat around the table and
watched the evening news. It was Walter Cronkite.
I`ll tell you what, my mom and dad, they trusted Walter Cronkite. I
mean if he said it, that was it. That`s the way it was.
Do you feel that way about people you watch today? I would like to
think that you trust me, certainly, there`s no comparison between his
accomplishments and mine. That`s not where I`m going. What I`m going to
is, you know, I want you to trust me. And I want you to know that I have
my opinions but I don`t make stuff up. And if I`m wrong, I have the
character to step out and correct what I have misstated or reported.
This has been a very interesting week for ObamaCare. It`s been a week
of a pack of lies coming from Fox News and one particular broadcaster and
that would be Sean Hannity who apparently is the King of Cheap Shots. And
I think that there is a reflection in GOP polling, rough link at the
office. They`re down to 22 percent in all time low. So, the Republicans
have to be behind closed doors saying, "Pam (ph), what are we going to do
now?" Well, all they`ve got left is to go after ObamaCare. That`s all
they`ve got. That -- and of course ripping people off a food stamps.
You know, network reporters as I said earlier this week on this
broadcast, I think, are in somewhat of a dilemma. I think that ObamaCare
is going to be so positive and there were so many things in ObamaCare that
are great for families and great for individuals and great for consumers
and the industry that they will take any morsel (ph) of negativity, no
matter what it is to just kind of make sure that everybody thinks they`re
still journalistically balanced.
Let me tell you something folks, junk insurance policies is real.
It`s very real. And it`s been addressed in this country. And this is what
Hannity and Fox News and some other reporters have come to. They don`t
know what to do. So last night, on Hannity`s program, he brings on this
Bozell -- Brent Bozell from some conservative media watchdog outfit and
they have fun with me. I love it here it is.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SEAN HANNITY, TV HOST, FOX NEWS: Your buddy, Eddie Schultz, over
there Duffy (ph), ObamaCare`s so wonderful to me, he`s afraid. You know, I
don`t know who gets the award for the suck up and head up the You Know What
Award. Either him or his colleague Chris Matthews, one of them gets it.
That`s what I`ll say (ph).
SCHULTZ: You know what? I think that network reporters throughout
the entire industry maybe caught in a dilemma that ObamaCare is so positive
and going to have such a tremendous impact on American life and American
Society in setting the foundation for better changes in the future. I
think that network reporters and people on TV are having a hard time saying
something nice about it or positive about it because they might be viewed
as journalistically compromised. They`re not really showing a great deal
of integrity if they say something positive about ObamaCare.
HANNITY: Yes that thrill up their lengthening (ph), doesn`t extend to
LEO BRENT BOZELL III: You know, Sean, I`m reading this sentence
again, "That ObamaCare is so positive dot, dot, dot, network reporters and
people on TV are having a hard time saying something nice about it or
positive about it." Someone needs to get some medication over to MSNBC
really fast because that is the opposite of the truth.
Look, this is the problem that they`re having. They`re having a hard
time telling the truth about ObamaCare. How many times were there -- was -
- did the president tell us that it was going to cut cost when it didn`t.
How many times did he tell us it wasn`t a tax when it was? How many times
did he tell you could keep your insurance when you can`t? This is an
ongoing of epidemic of dishonesty and yet reporters won`t report it and
point -- and Schultz is saying that it`s just so positive that nobody dares
talk about it.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Bozell is wrong on all accounts. Across the board, he`s
wrong. Hannity has now been reduced to defending junk insurance policies.
And I wonder if he knows that most junk insurance policies only last about
a year when people actually figure out how they`ve been hoodwinked into a
policy that doesn`t cover snot. That`s why ObamaCare is good.
Sean, I know it`s probably little over your head, but I`ll give it a
shot again. A few weeks ago, I asked Hannity to go face to face with me in
a debate. Instead of accepting, what he has decided to do, this is his --
he comes back with a challenge. He`s playing clips of my show in his media
clip or whatever in a segment. Look, I`m about the truth and it would seem
to me that if I`m wrong on these things that Hannity would want to go face-
to-face with me. I mean, you know, I`m just so fun loving, barrel-chested
guy form the middle of the country who loves to get in the bottom of stuff,
you know what I mean?
So let`s get it on, Sean, come on. You pick the venue. You sell the
tickets. You keep the profit. You`re all about that. I just want to
prove that you`re wrong. And I don`t want the public to think that someone
is misleading someone on ObamaCare. Certainly you`d have the character to
go face to face with me, wouldn`t you?
Look, I believe that Sean Hannity and Fox News has done a terrible
disservice to this country by misleading people on a life-saving policy
such as ObamaCare. Let`s face it. Let`s go face to face. Come on, Sean,
let`s do it for the country. Come on. Make a big fool out of Big Eddy.
Be the best promo you ever had. But you won`t do it because you know I
have the facts, and by the way, I have the law on my side.
Fox News continues to spread lies and deceit about ObamaCare, about
just how much is it`s going to accomplish. The latest conservative talking
point is that people are getting quote, "Kicked Off" their current
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The insurance companies were being intimidated to
keep their mouth shut about the disaster that`s happening that their
witnessing about all those who have been kicked off. They told them just
keep quiet and we didn`t know what they had in terms of leverage, Steve,
over these insurance companies. But it`s beginning to become very, very,
clear. The truth lies with what the insurance company sees.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sure. Absolutely, because they`re the ones who
have got to provide and it`s -- there are all sorts of stories out there
about how -- you remember, if you like your doctor you can keep your
doctor. Not true. If you like your plan you can keep your plan, not true.
If you like your hospital, apparently that`s not going to even be true as
well because so few are going to be involved.
In the mean time, the Democrats and the president clearly own this
now. The Affordable Care Act is theirs. And that, Brian, is why they`re
trying to blame everybody else. All those insurers, they`re cut right
their bad apples. Well, one of the guys --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: that was bad that they said yes. That
(inaudible), when the president used that term to describe insurance
companies in Boston, it was essentially game on with a lot of these
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Absolutely. It`s just like with Wall Street when
he referred to them as up cats (ph).
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: This is just too good. There are such things as standards
in the law. So in other words, companies just can`t throw out junk stuff
anymore. They`re defending on Fox News. The insurance industry and the
corporations that are delivering junk policies to consumers and they`re OK
Meanwhile, Hannity has been trying to desperately, he`s been trying
desperately to protect those bad apple, low quality junk plans.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
HANNITY: . 3 million Americans can`t keep their plan if they like
JOE TRIPPI: Yes they can.
HANNITY: No they can`t.
TRIPPI: Yes they can.
HANNITY: They`re getting cancellation letters.
TRIPPI: No, no. Two million are getting cancellation letters.
HANNITY: No, that`s just -- look I`m going not .
TRIPPI: I know tip of the iceberg, so like -- so it all comes out in
HANNITY: The government registered pays 34,552 and the government is
predicting itself that 66 percent of small business plans will be gone, 45
percent of large employer plans will relinquish, a grandfather status by
the end of 2013. That`s 93 million Americans, Joe Trippi. That means you
can`t keep your plan.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: That`s because they`re going to be given a better deal.
Standards and lower price because of the pool in the competition. Gosh,
Sean, I thought you were a big free market guy. I thought you like
competition. Hannity seems to really want Americans to have crappy health
Consumer reports analyze a number of low quality plans. This is what
a Hannity junk insurance plan would look like.
Let`s take $450 a month. This is a good junk plan that consumer
reports found, you get a $100 a piece for five doctor visits a year, $50 a
year for screenings and test, $1,000 a day for up to 30 days in the
hospital. None of that, none of this right here is acceptable under the
Affordable Care Act because it sucks, and it rips off consumers. It`s not
good enough for America.
All of the care that you receive is going to be more affordable and
more compressive under ObamaCare. And here`s the kicker, here`s the
kicker. If you`re a low wage income earner, currently on a junk plan that
Hannity is promoting and defending, that does not have standards, you will
get a cancelation notice, but your next move is this. You go, jump into
the exchange and you will qualify for subsidies if you`re a low income
earner to help purchase a quality plan with standards that will be better
for you. That`s ObamaCare. I`ll let you decide what you think is best.
So -- but, let`s go back to Hannity calling me a "brown noser" for
being positive about the impacts of ObamaCare. You know, you want to be
careful who he is calling "suck up". This is the same broadcaster who did
a fair share of sucking up and a pickup truck when he road around with
former President George W. Bush for a softball interview in Crawford,
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
HANNITY: My perception was you were totally completely at peace .
GEORGE W. BUSH, 43RD U.S. PRESIDENT: Yeah.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: . the job was done and you seemed to even more at
BUSH: I am at peace and I was honored to serve for the country. I
gave it my all. I have written a book that chronicles the decisions I
made. And I feel, I`m not desperate to try to shape a legacy because I
fully understand that there needs to be time for history to be able to
analyze, for historians to be able to analyze the decisions I made. And,
you know, I have content, I`m a content guy.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: How about that? A one on one with the President of the
United States, Sean Hannity, in the truck with W. Never ask him about the
role out of Medicare Part D. I bet Edward R. Murrow would really be
excited about that one, wouldn`t he?
Hannity would sell his absolute soul to defeat President Obama and
defeat ObamaCare. And he puts no value on his journalistic integrity, if
he has any. Here`s one more example of deceit -- dub deceit by Hannity.
Earlier this month, Hannity had a panel in a show, a panel of guess
had so called "real stories" about ObamaCare causing them all kinds of
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our new policy that we can have will have the same
benefits to anything similar those going to rise between like 50 to 72
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Because we don`t even have insurance for our
daughter who has preexisting condition. So we`re looking at probably
$20,000 in premiums next year.
MICHELLE COX: As business, we are jumping through more hoops, more
regulation, more paper, and we`ve also cut back on hiring full-time
employees because of the health care cost involved.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Well, it turns out those real stories were simply not
accurate. Reporting for salon.com, Eric Stern conducted actual interviews
of Hannity`s guests. The results revealed thousands of dollars in savings
in the couple, if the couples enroll in ObamaCare. The guest with an
uninsured child due to preexisting condition would receive coverage at a
The small business owners had a small enough number of employes that
ObamaCare had no effect on their company. Hannity is spreading lies and
deceit. Roger Ailes who was often praised in trade magazines of
(inaudible) America about being a smart guy in table.
How could you let a guy go in the air and get away wit that crap? Come on.
By the way, is there a Fox News standards and practices manual? No.
It`s not reporting, it`s lying. And I think Hannity is doing a serious
disservice to the country by saying what he`s saying about ObamaCare
because it is lie, after lie, after lie. Come on, Sean, let`s go face to
face. I`ll make sure that you don`t swim with the fishes, you`ll be well
Get your cellphones out. I want to know what you think. Is Sean
Hannity telling the truth about ObamaCare? Text A for yes, text B for no
to 67622. You can always go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com, leave a comment.
We`ll bring you the results later on in the show.
Now, I want to go to the reporter who did the follow up. And this
gentlemen is Eric Stern, salon.com. Eric, good to have you with us
ERIC STERN, SALON.COM CONTRIBUTOR: Hi Ed, how you doing?
SCHULTZ: Good sir. Did you actually -- and tell us, you`re intrigue
with story that you motivated you to follow up on this and what did you
STERN: Well, I call this -- I called these three couples and what they
were having was problems with the current insurance system. It wasn`t
ObamaCare, it was essentially the current insurance system. They were
basically being treated like insurance companies tend to -- have always
tended to treat a customer. And basically they were getting their wage
raised and they were getting the run around.
And in some cases, they didn`t really have any problem. They could
have a problem in the future down the road when it actually -- the law
actually takes affect for them, but as it currently stood when I spoke to
them, nothing that Hannity had said was really true.
SCHULTZ: Nothing that Hannity said was really true from your
journalistic standpoint on this. When ObamaCare goes into effect, will any
of these families be helped?
STERN: They will have the option to get insurance. It looks like
they`ll have the option to get insurance much cheaper than what they are
paying. So in that respect, yes, they will actually save substantial money
by buying on the exchange.
SCHULTZ: So basically -- let me ask you, do you think they had junk
STERN: You know, it is possible that one of the people I spoke to did
have junk insurance. I mean you could argue that all insurance offered,
you know, to private individuals now sort of on the private market is kind
of a bit of scam. I would say that they probably all had problems with
their plans, and yes, the new requirements of ObamaCare will probably will
make them stronger plans.
SCHULTZ: Make them stronger plans. And you said something about
cost, did you? At a better cost because Brent Bozell was on with Hannity
saying that that wasn`t the case, that it was going to cost more.
STERN: They -- well let`s be clear, there -- the plans that they had,
they got these letters that many Americans are getting from the insurance
company saying that their plans are being cancel and it was going to be
your place by a new plan that may or may not be more expensive.
Now that just, you know, that`s what the insurance companies do all
the time .
STERN: . they have done for the last decade raising premium 15
percent a year, whatever it is. What they`re doing there is they`re using
the advent of ObamaCare as an excuse to do what they do anyway and they`re
making it look like they`re being forced to do it and it`s somebody else`s
SCHULTZ: Your journal -- excuse me. Your journalistic final analysis
is that that Hannity was not telling the truth or reporting the truth.
STERN: What he was telling was about -- 8 percent of what he was
saying was true.
SCHULTZ: You got to tell the truth in this business. Eric Stern,
good to have you with us.
STERN: Yeah, look .
SCHULTZ: Go ahead. Final comment.
STERN: Well, I mean, what Hannity and Bozell do, that`s a real
problem in this world. I mean Hannity only wants people on a show to agree
with him and he`s not going to have you on because that`s not what he does.
He wants to talk to people that he agrees with. He doesn`t want to an
actual discussion about facts. And I think it`s a disservice in this
SCHULTZ: It is a disservice. It is a disservice to have that
platform and be dishonest about something that is going to save lives in
this country. Goes back to the graphic I put up, who do you trust?
Consumers should not trust what Sean Hannity says.
Eric Stern, good to have you with us tonight. I appreciate your time.
Coming up, from beer pongs to solo cups. Republicans and the House
seem to know a lot about prep (ph) parties, plus God Bless Bill O`Reilly.
This bin (ph) master tops our Friday Trenders. Stay with us.
SCHULTZ: Time now for the Trenders in the social media. This is
where you can find us, Facebook.com/EdShow, Tweeter.com/EdShow, and
ed.msnbc.com. And on the radio, Monday through Friday, noon to 3:00,
Channel 127, Sirius XM.
The Ed Show social media nation has decided and we`re reporting. Here
are today`s top Trenders voted on by you.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The number three Trender, going solo.
MARSHA BLACKBURN, (R-TN) HOUSE ENERGY & COMMERCE CMTE: We live in a
country where if you want to drink out of a red solo cup or if you want to
drink out of a crystal stem. You have the opportunity to do that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Marsha Blackburn`s cup runneth over with scare
BLACKBURN: What`s the next thing going to be? You can`t buy that
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Only you red will do for this fellow.
BLACKBURN: You can`t buy an expensive blouse.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where did you get those clothes? At the toilet
BLACKBURN: You can`t buy a pair of shoes that cost less than another
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: These shoes are $300.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let`s get them.
BLACKBURN: Come on. This is absolutely ridiculous.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The number two Trender, Rush judgments.
RUSH LIMBAUGH, THE RUSH LIMBAUGH SHOW HOST: You look at all of the
news things that the regime that ObamaCare is requiring medical devices,
all kinds of crazy things, contraception.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Limbaugh is wailing like a baby over women`s
LIMBAUGH: Insurance is being stretched to cover things it should
never have to cover, breast pumps and birth control pills and wellness
Buy your own birth control pill. Buy your own breast pumps but no,
these things are now part of insurance. It`s not insurance, it`s welfare.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And today`s top Trender, factor fiction.
BILL O`REILLY, THE O`REILLY FACTOR HOST: I`m not the chosen one. I`m
just one of many who have been given gifts. You can explain that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Team Ed Show is still buzzing about Bill O`s
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You have an interesting theory as to why he was
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Very interesting.
O`REILLY: He interrupted the tax money flow and once he did that his
fate was sealed.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s not as interesting as it was told.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: His fate was sealed to be crucified because he went after
tax collectors? No, that`s not right, Bill O`Reilly.
The Lord sent his only son to be crucified and die on the cross for
our sins, so we can have everlasting life.
Joining me now is Reverend Jim Wallis, President of Sojourners.
Reverend, good to have you with us tonight.
JIM WALLIS, SOJOURNERS PRESIDENT: Hi, Ed. Good to be here.
SCHULTZ: How wrong does O`Reilly have it?
WALLIS: Well, it`s always a dangerous thing to try to bring Jesus
into your politics because he`ll likely overturn politics.
Jesus brought this new order called the Kingdom of God and it really
reverses the logic of the world. And so, that text, I went back to that
text after I read the story and then Jesus went into this temple and he
overturned the tables of the money changers, those who were buying and
selling, says the scripture.
Don`t turn my house of prayer into house of thieves. And I don`t
think people would normally think of Jesus maybe being at the stock
exchange and overturning the tables there.
It`s about people who are using the temple to really hurt the poor.
SCHULTZ: Well, he says that Jesus.
WALLIS: When Jesus talks about.
SCHULTZ: He says that Jesus was crucified because he went after tax
WALLIS: Jesus came to bring a whole new order of things called the
kingdom and that was a threat to the existing order of things, political,
religious, all of that.
And as you say, he came to change us, change the world and us with it.
And that change is so fundamental, so transformational, it`s a threat to
the existing order of things including politics.
SCHULTZ: O`Reilly calls his book a history book. What do you think?
WALLIS: Well, I haven`t read the book. But, yeah I`ve been on Bill`s
show. I love Bill to look at how he is focused on Jesus now.
So, I like him to look at how Jesus, that notion overturns our
politics. For example, right now a lot of Evangelical Christians who are
conservatives often vote Republican.
WALLIS: Have been converted when Jesus says about the strangers,
immigrants, 11 million undocumented people, a lot of Evangelicals have been
reading the bible and saying, "Wait minute."
WALLIS: "How we treat them is how we treat Christ himself."
WALLIS: And they take a different stance and Bill`s taking on
SCHULTZ: If Christ was on earth today, would he be treating the poor
the way the conservatives do? Today 48 million Americans woke up with a
smaller snap payment. Would Jesus treat the poor the way the conservatives
WALLIS: Well, the principle of politics if you`re following Jesus is
simply how we treat those who he called the least of these. I was hungry
and you cut my food stamps. I was a stranger, you didn`t welcome me. I
was sick and you wanted to deny me healthcare.
This is not what really we`re looking for here. How do we talk about
how to treat those who are the least of these? One translation says, those
who are unimportant or seem unimportant, how we treat them is whether or
not we`re following Jesus. That`s really the test here. And that kind of
politics would overturn the established politics all over the place and it
does if we pay attention to it.
SCHULTZ: O`Reilly is not wired probably on this story, that is the
bottom line. Reverend Jim Wallis, thank you for joining us tonight, I
appreciate your time.
Coming up, some old school tactics to win the poll position in the
Virginia governor`s race and later Ted Cruz is planning a sequel to his
late night green eggs and ham antiques.
But next, I`m taking your questions, Ask Ed Live is just ahead, stay
SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. We love hearing from our
viewers. We love the questions.
Tonight in our Ask Ed Live segment, our first question comes from,
that would be ROSSSSC, how do Republicans think it helps them to cut snap,
which is food stamps, when most of that aid goes to red states?
You know, I just think that it`s in their DNA to be mean and cruel. I
don`t even -- I just think that they feel good about cutting stuff so they
can justify other things.
And oh, by the way, the deficit has been cut almost in half under
President Obama. Watch him run home and take credit for it.
Our next question is from Gracie, she wants to know, what do you think
about Governor Walker`s new book?
Well, not a whole lot. I`m not going to read it. So, I can`t really
give you an opinion. All I can do is report on the journalists who have
read it who say that there are major discrepancies in it when it comes to
the truth. How surprising.
Stick around, Rapid Response Panel is next.
PAGE HOPKINS, MSNBC REPORTER: I`m Page Hopkins with Breaking News.
Out of the Los Angeles Airport, FBI and local law enforcement on the scene
after a gunman open fire at a TSA checkpoint killing one TSA employee. At
least six others were wounded. The suspect identified as 23-year-old Paul
Ciancia reportedly began shooting on the ground floor and continued firing
as he raced to a TSA screening area.
Frightened passengers scrambled for cover through the (inaudible) and
on to the tarmac. The suspect was wounded in a gun fight with officers.
He is now in custody.
SCHULTZ: Thanks for watching the Ed Show. Tonight Election Day is
just four days away and all eyes are on Virginia`s gubernatorial race.
On Sunday President Obama will join Democratic candidate Terry
McAuliffe for a rally with supporters at Washington Lee High School in
As we head into the final stretch the polls find McAuliffe ahead of
Republican challenger Ken Cuccinelli. Roanoke College finds McAuliffe with
as much of a 15-point lead. But Quinnipiac poll has McAuliffe leading by
just 4 points.
In an e-mail sent to supporters on Thursday McAuliffe made it very
clear, don`t get conformable and don`t sit this one out. McAuliffe wrote
to his supporters, "In off-year elections like this one, Tea Party voters
turn out more reliably than Democrats. For 45 years the political party
that controls the White House has lost our governor`s race the next year.
In 2009 fewer than 40 percent of Virginia voters cast a ballot for governor
despite the fact that nearly 70 percent voted in the presidential election
the year before."
There`s a lot at stake in the state of Virginia. No question about
it. Ken Cuccinelli has spent his entire career as an elected official
trying to roll back any progress on women`s reproductive rights.
Cuccinelli`s running mate for lieutenant governor EW Jackson has
clearly defined himself as an extremist homophobe. Folks, this is not an
election day that the country wants to miss. Get out and vote in Virginia.
Joining me tonight for the Rapid Response Panel we have got Goldie
Taylor, managing editor of the Goldie Taylor project and also MSNBC
Contributor and Democratic strategist Bob Shrum, great to have both of you
with us tonight.
Goldie, if women aren`t motivated to come out and vote after the
record that Cuccinelli has put up in Virginia, what would motivate them?
GOLDIE TAYLOR, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: You know, for women not to turn out
in election like this would really spell trouble. But we see some of that
happening in off-year elections when you don`t have a president --
presidential race at the top of the ballot.
And so, I think that Terry McAuliffe is absolutely right to talk to
voters about how urgent it is for them to get out to the polls. When we
find that we have low voter turnout in these off-year elections, you tend
to see that sway towards the red side of the column.
But we`re seeing the (inaudible) of America when voters do turn out.
We`re seeing that in Virginia. We`re seeing that in North Carolina. We`re
going to see it probably in Georgia.
And so, I think it is incumbent upon all Democrats that if they want
to see change toward their very strong issues then they`re going to have to
show uo at the polls.
SCHULTZ: Bob Shrum, is it that this is really the first test for
progressives against these radical Republican policies and will it move
BOB SHRUM, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: I think it`s a real test and I
think we`re going to find out where the Democrats can turn out their base
in off-year elections. This is that test case.
Now, I think that the McAuliffe campaign has really done a superb job
and he, by the way, has been a lot better candidate than people assume he
I suspect they welcome, say, the Quinnipiac poll showing the race
tightening because it helps to get their voters out.
But the reality on Tuesday in my view is Democrats are going to turn
out, independents are going to turn out and a lot of moderate Republicans
are going to turn out, and they`re not going to vote for Cuccinelli.
To say that he`s extreme is to put mildly. He`s homophobic. He wants
to outlaw common forms of birth control. He wanted to make it harder for
women in a bad marriage to get a divorce.
So, I think when you look at this campaign, when you look at
Cuccinelli, he`s so far out of the Virginia mainstream and maybe the
McAuliffe people don`t like me necessarily saying this because they want to
scare voters to the polls too, is I think he`s going to win this on
SCHULTZ: Goldie, aren`t the Democrats throwing the kitchen sink? I
mean you`ve got the president going in there the next few days, the
Clintons have been down there, going to go again. What about that?
TAYLOR: You know, they really do have to put their strongest foot
forward and bringing in the Clintons who have been long -- life-long
friends with Terry McAuliffe in bringing in the President maybe just to
think they need to inspire voters to the polls. Again, if they see low
voter turnout, then McAuliffe may not be able to count this as a win. But
I agree that you`re going to see McAuliffe to take this come Election Day.
You`re going to find that people like Cuccinelli or like -- he`s like
the sharing angle of Virginia where he`s to the right, to the right, to the
right of everybody else, like crazy almost always loses. And I think
McAuliffe have has to count on that.
SCHULTZ: You know, there would be no better person to the governor of
Virginia then Terry McAuliffe with his close association with the Clintons
when Hillary runs, correct Bob?
SHRUM: Oh, yes. I think that that the Clintons and Hillary Clinton -
- now look their doing this because they`re friends. They think it`s an
important to race. I think Hillary Clinton clearly sees Ken Cuccinelli as
someone totally out of the mainstream. And once Terry McAuliffe win.
But there is a political fallout here. They invested very heavily in
this race. They raise a lot of money, they campaign hard. The President
is going to be there. And I think Goldie is absolutely right. It`s smart
to take every one of these steps. I even -- but even in the absence of
these steps, I think your going to see a tremendous rejection by a lot of
people in Virginia of the extremism of Cuccinelli.
SCHULTZ: OK we got some breaking news coming in this hour.
Ex-Florida Republican Governor Charlie Crist is seeking office again.
He just filed as a democrat in Florida. He will make the official
announcement on Monday in Saint Petersburg. At University of North Florida
poll should Crist leading Governor Rick Scott 44 percent to 40 percent. A
public policy poll has Crist leading Scott 50 to 38 percent. Goldie what
do you make you it?
TAYLOR: The Scott nightmare in Florida might be coming to an end.
So, I`m happy to see people like Charlie Crist really take this on. He`s
going to have an unlimited supply of money. He`s going to have investment,
I believe from a national party into Florida. And I think that Florida
being one of those bellweather states. It`s really decided a number of
elections nationwide. And so I think that Florida becomes an important way
to blow apart a roadblock for Democrats nationwide.
SCHULTZ: How big a target does he become, Bob, switching parties.
Has he cleared the deck on that pretty good?
SHRUM: Well, I don`t think it`s a problem with Democrats. I don`t
think it`s a problem with independence. Look he was a moderate Republican.
Moderate Republicans have been driven out of the republic and party.
They`re not welcome.
If they run in primaries, they lose. I think that actually broadens
his appeal in Florida. I think he`s going to get a lot of votes that
Democrats might not otherwise get. And I don`t think switching parties is
a problem. He didn`t leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party left
SCHULTZ: Goldie Taylor, Bob Shrum, great to have you on Friday
edition of the Ed Show. Appreciate your time. Thanks so much.
SHRUM: Go, Charlie Crist.
SCHULTZ: Well, we`ll have that story Monday.
Still ahead, the biggest show in American politics tries his hand at
standup comedy. Stay with us.
SCHULTZ: And then Pretenders tonight John Stossel, "Ladies Man". The
Libertarian Fox Business host joined the kids on the curvy couch and railed
against ObamaCare`s lack of gender discrimination.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JOHN STOSSEL, LIBERTARIAN FOX BUSINESS HOST: Yesterday President
Obama stood in front of a bunch of women in Massachusetts and said, "No
longer with those evil insurance companies may able to charge you even
more." But when did you last go to the doctor?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When did I go to doctor?
STOSSEL: Elizabeth is going to answer quite quickly. Women go to the
doctor much more often than man. Maybe they`re smarter or maybe they`re
hypochondriacs, they live longer, who knows.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right.
STOSSEL: But, if it`s insurance you ought to be able to charge people
who use the services more. More.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: The Affordable Care Act was a historic achievement for
women`s health on several fronts. Women can`t be denied for gender-based
preexisting conditions, it covers preventive services such as contraception
But, what get Stossel`s mustache in a real twist is the law brings an
end to the discriminatory practice of gender-rating, which allowed
insurance to charge women premiums causing up to 150 percent more than
their male counterparts. Rates are calculated by risk.
A healthy woman who regularly sees her doctor for preventive
screenings is actually minimizing her risk or according to John Stossel
she`s a hypochondriac taker. If Stossel thinks his sick-minded reasoning
somehow makes him a health expert, he can keep on Pretending.
SCHULTZ: OK, progressives let`s get back to work. American use to
pay attention and stay vocal. Story is coming up next week. Here`s a look
at the top three stories next week in Fast Forward.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming in at number three, Neo Nitwits (ph).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The legal immigration is unchecked, one of the
Syrian issue that we have to tackle on this country.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Missouri Nazis, rally for immigration.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are standing for white light.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You are a sad screams little man that make you.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Fast Forward to number two, Virginia is for
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Let me introduce the candidate, Democrats Terry
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Terry McAuliffe, you know, former DNC chair.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We have Republican, an Attorney General Mr. Ken
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Homophobic, anti choice, climate science denying
voter-friendly, victory-hating, Ken Cuccinelli.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The commonwealth chooses a new governor.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The election for a Virginia governor is just a
few days away.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you look at the polls of the Virginia
governors` rights, Terry McAuliffe is consistently cape (ph) been ahead.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Virginia has a history of getting it right.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And our number one story to watch, Canadian
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If Ted Cruz gave up politics, do you think he`d
have a viable career at the standup comedian?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hi, have you met, Ted?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ted Cruz will appear on the Tonight Show.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We vowed to keep speaking until he is no longer
able to stand.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And now the Dr. Seuss bible.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The good news if you collapse to some exhaustion,
you`ll be covered under ObamaCare.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is very funny.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you just keep talking, they can`t throw you
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s a truth and real, real.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: By now, he is trusted and he`s fair.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So, listening to Ted Cruz, how awful is that?
Everyone laugh but where`s the next joke?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Joining me now Talk Radio Consultant, Media Consultant
Holland Cooke. Holland, good to have you with us tonight. I don`t want a
date both of us, but what is the name of the old show where the announcer
used to say, "Will the real Ted Cruz please stand up."
HOLLAND COOKE, TALK RADIO AND MEDIA CONSULTANT: Please stand up.
Ed, hello from Boston, home of your world champion Red Sox. And John
Lackey, you got the win but I laughed a minute ago when you mentioned Dr.
Seuss because elsewhere in Massachusetts, Dr. Seuss and I share a
birthplace, Springfield, Mass and everybody there already thought Ted Cruz
was a joker when he read green eggs and ham during his Senate talkathon,
because what he didn`t realize when he was mount (ph) and off is it`s a
story about if you try something you might actually like it.
So, he`s already a bit of a jester and we have another DVR alert by
the way, he`s going to be doing dynasty if they can teach him how to hold
the shotgun the proper way.
SCHULTZ: There you go.
COOKE: But, seriously I think that like a lot of other polls who have
done late night TV, he`s obviously trying to soften his image, Bill Clinton
was the iconic trailblazer playing the Sox (ph) with Arsenio. Sarah Palin
went on to tonight show, and clearly Ted Cruz is the new Sarah Palin but
don`t assume this is about 2016. Clearly, this guy is an attention junky
but he maybe smarter than he looks, he maybe smarter than he acts.
SCHULTZ: What do you think ...
COOKE: He doesn`t...
SCHULTZ: ...what do you think he would still appear ...
COOKE: ...I don`t think...
SCHULTZ: And what do you think he hopes to gain by appearing on the
Tonight Show? Basically file off a few edges?
COOKE: That too, but his goal may be the White House. I think this
guy sees beyond that and he want some kind of Jim DeMint gig where you
really don`t have to be accountable for Senate votes, you don`t have to get
the American people to elect you President, you don`t have to conduct that
awesome responsibility of being President.
When Jim DeMint left the Senate, he got a driver, and a limo, and a
SCHULTZ: So, you think he wants to elevate himself and then go make
the big bucks? OK, that such ...
COOKE: Yes, he`s heading for a history (ph). Don`t let him fool you.
SCHULTZ: All right, you know, he recently made a joke about a
Nigerian scammers that he was asked to apologize for. Here it is.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CRUZ: You know, have you all noticed, you know, the Nigerian e-mail
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
CRUZ: They`ve been a lot less active lately because they`ve all been
hired to run the ObamaCare websites.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: I mean he just has no feel. There are just or some people
out there that can be passionate but when it`s time to do a little bit a
comedy they bomb.
COOKE: I bet he`s going to be on his best behavior when he gets on
with Jay Leno.
Let`s assume he`s got a boiler room full of professional joke writers
sanitizing what he does so that it makes his point but it`s more acceptable
than that. I predict he`ll come and go with no full pass.
SCHULTZ: Well, don`t you -- well, don`t you think that it`s Jay
Leno`s kind of job here in an entertainment world to make sure Cruz sticks
foot in mouth?
COOKE: Jay is very good at asking the kind of policy questions that
mainstream America won`t think are wanky. So, I predict that there will be
some news made on the show, not necessarily because of prefabricated joke
that the senator has ghosted for him, but I think Jay Leno is going to ask
SCHULTZ: Is this a good get? I mean is this a good move for the
Tonight Show? I mean no Republican has gotten more attention that this guy
over the last several months and, you know; of course his, dad, holy smokes
what that guy all about. I mean, how can he go -- how can he go on to
Tonight Show and Jay Leno not asking about if his dad is for real.
COOKE: Yes, he better have answer prepared for that. And I do think
it`s a good get for Jay, I don`t know who day is going to have on that
night, but here we are, a week in advance doing our great big DVR alert,
I`m not going to miss it.
SCHULTZ: Holland Cooke, Talk Radio Consultant, Media Consultant,
Holland Cooke great to have you with us tonight. Thanks so much.
COOKE: You bet pal.
SCHULTZ: And that is the Ed Show.
Reminder, I am going to be in Kentucky on Monday to bring you a full
report on Monday night here on the Ed Show of ObamaCare`s success, their
state exchange in the Bluegrass State. Looking forward to it.
How can Kentucky get it so right? How can they be so far ahead of the
curve? What did they do that other states haven`t done? Proof that it
does work and beyond. That will be on Monday night here on Ed Show.
I`m Ed Schultz and of course Politics Nation with Rev. Al Sharpton
starts right now. Good evening, Rev.
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY
United States copyright law and may not be reproduced, distributed,
transmitted, displayed, published or broadcast without the prior written
permission of Roll Call. You may not alter or remove any trademark,
copyright or other notice from copies of the content.>