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December 4, 2013
Guest: George Miller, Zeke Emanuel, Ruth Conniff, David Corn, Scott Paul


the haves and give it to the have nots. That`s not what`s best.

JON STEWART, HOST DAILY SHOW: Christmas is a time of generosity. What
other secular humanists are peeing on your yule log this year?

O`REILLY: Can I convince people by saying that Jesus would feed the poor
which he would, we all know that, right? OK. But would he impose a system
that hurts one group to help another group?

OBAMA: The top 10 percent no longer takes in one-third of our income and
now it takes half.

O`REILLY: It`s this theoretical world that President Obama seems to live
in .


ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good to have you with us tonight folks. Thanks
for watching. Did I just hear Bill O`Reilly say something about people are
hurting? That Jesus would want to help the poor but he wouldn`t want to
hurt anybody else.

You mean to tell me that Bill O`Reilly who`s looking out for us thinks that
the wealthiest Americans are hurting right now? Oh, I`ll tell you what?
Food stamps, just a big problem for us, isn`t it? Well, it is the festive
season. We`re all supposed to be in a good mood right now. Things are a
little frosty though with those folks over on the right especially when it
comes to the down thriving in America. People are a little bit down on
their luck in transitioning back into the economy thinking, "Gosh, I can
probably use a food stamp."

Well it`s the holiday spirit. Republicans are getting into the holiday
spirit this year by, "Oh what the heck. Let`s attack some poor people and
let`s throw in the Pope this time too."

Leave it to these guys to slam the needy people in America. Leave it to
these guys to slam these folks just a couple of weeks before Christmas.

Last night, Bill O`Reilly took his belittling the poor to a whole new
level. O`Reilly claimed that Jesus might not be in favor of food stamps.


O`REILLY: The problem I had as I stated is that you`re helping one group
by hurting another group and a bigger group. And so I don`t know if Jesus
is going to be down with that.


SCHULTZ: Yes. You don`t know if Jesus is going to be down with that. You
know exactly what society was like some 2,000 years ago there Bill O.
O`Reilly, well he didn`t stop there. He went on to say that if you are on
food stamps, it`s your own fault.


O`REILLY: Some of the people who don`t have enough to eat, it`s their
fault they don`t have enough to eat. Particularly with their children and
this is where it really becomes dicey. If you`re an alcoholic or a heroine
addict or a drug addict and you can`t hold a job, all right? And you can`t
support your children and that`s a circumstance of millions of millions of
people. Not most, but a lot. A substantial minority, OK?

Then it`s your fault, you`re bringing the havoc and then you`re asking
people who may have -- be struggling themselves to put food on the table,
to give their tax money to you and then you`re not even going to buy food
with it. You`re going to buy booze and drugs with it.


SCHULTZ: Oh, you`re going to buy booze and drugs with it? Really? No
kidding. You know those folks O`Reilly. You`re right in there with them.
I bet you`re dining with them every night, don`t you? You know where
America is.

O`Reilly`s claim is absurd and totally insensitive to the people in this
country in need. First of all, for the record, not that facts matter over
at Fox, it is impossible to buy drugs and alcohol with food stamps. If you
get snap benefits, you get a government issued debit card. And it`s on the
USDA, United States Department of Agriculture website, says that snap
benefits can be used only for food. It`s specifically says alcohol and
tobacco are not prohibited.

And I`m pretty sure drug dealers don`t seem to be taking any debit cards as
of late. We`d have to ask Russia about that.

Bill O said that he`s also worried we are creating a society of dependency.


O`REILLY: My parents didn`t make a lot of money and they were able to put
food on the table. And I`m just saying a system now that creates
dependence. All right, now let`s go over to the dependence question .


SCHULTZ: Ready for some eggnog yet? It`s the holiday season, Bill people
on food stamps don`t want to be there. Do you know people who do? No one
wants to live off the very minimum, but there is a support system in this
country that is very important to the stability of society.

Earlier today, President Obama slammed the idea of dependency and stuck up
for the hardworking people on government assistance with low wages.


OBAMA: These programs are not typically hammocks for people to just lie
back and relax. These programs are almost always temporary means for
hardworking people to stay afloat while they try to find a new job, or
going to school to retrain themselves for the jobs that are out there, or
sometimes just to cope with a bad of bad luck.


SCHULTZ: So who do think is telling the truth, O`Reilly or the President
of the United States. You be the judge.

Mean while there`s Rush Limbaugh, he knows a thing or two about drug
addiction. Limbaugh is also wasting airtime attacking poor people on food
stamps this holiday season. He said food stamps are making poor people


Most of the childhood obesity is minority. African American and this story
links it to food stamps which makes total sense. We get nearly 48, 49
million Americans on food stamps. And they can buy whatever they want with


SCHULTZ: Whatever they want? Not really. Limbaugh again 100 percent
wrong. There is no study that links food stamps to obesity. If anything,
people on food stamps, they don`t get enough to eat.

The average food stamp recipient gets, put your seat belt on now, a $133.41
cents a month. Holy smokes, how dare we give poor people in America that
kind of assistance when the top 2 percent have just been rolling over the
last 10 years. I`d like to see Limbaugh, see how he fares on only $133
worth of food a month or may be a day.

It`s important to point out, last month, the Congress cut food stamp
benefits by $5 billion annually. And really it`s the worst time to do it.

This chart, right here, clearly shows the rate of food insecurity in the
United States. It`s at record highs with roughly 15 percent of Americans
struggling to put food on the table. One out of 15 people that you see
walking down the street, statistically are having a hard time putting food
on the table. But wait a minute, O`Reilly, Limbaugh and the rest of the
Conservatives and the Republicans, the way they vote, they have determined
these people are the problem. What do you say we just weed them out?

These guys right here are despicable, absolutely despicable for attacking
the less fortunate in our society during the holiday season. Republicans
got their $5 billion cut. And now people are suffering because of it. But
of course the Republicans, they want more.

It`s not just the poor they`re targeting. Limbaugh is actually now going
after the Pope. Limbaugh is mad at Pope Francis for saying income
inequality is immoral. He wasted no time attacking the Pope.


LIMBAUGH: The Pope is ripping America. The Pope ripping capitalism, the
Pope ripping Ronaldus Magnus (ph), the Pope ripping trickle down economic
and Obama`s having an orgasm.


SCHULTZ: The President`s doing what? Certainly, no crudeness over on the
right is there? Well, Catholics are upset with Limbaugh and they want an
apology. A group called Catholics and Alliance for the Common Good, they
have started a petition and they are demanding an apology. I will say to
them tonight, don`t expect one.

But then of course, there`s Fox news, Stuart Varney was also not impressed
with the Pope`s statements either.


spiritual life mixed up with my political life. I go to church to save my
soul, it`s got nothing to do with my vote. Pope Francis has linked the
two. He`s offered direct criticism of a specific political system. He`s
characterized negatively that system. I think he wants to influence my


SCHULTZ: So, I`m sure tomorrow, Stuart Varney will probably see that
Catholics in America shouldn`t even vote. How dare they think about
voting? Only Republicans could stomach attacking poor people and the Pope.

Just a few before Christmas, we`re in a holiday season now. You know, they
love to say that people on food stamps are the takers. Let`s talk about
the takers for a moment.

Any wealthy people you know may have played a little bit with the tax laws
in this country to get a little bit better return. Or maybe not have to
pay so much. Are they takers? You`ll say it`s legal. Well it`s legal to
get food stamps.

How about those oil companies that take your tax subsidies, would they be
takers? Oh, no. How about those folks in Detroit that are getting all
these tax brakes because they`re quote "bringing business?" While employees
who spend 30 years working for the city or getting shafted with their
pension. There`s no takers in that field at all, is there?

What about Walmart? They never had a tax abatement on any land going into
any city putting up one of those super stores, have they? No, there`s no
takers there at all. They only made $19 billion. I can`t think of another
corporation out there that might need another patch break. But you know
what? We`re talking about over on the right, we`re convincing Americans
that it`s those damn food stamps. They are the problem. They are the
takers, those fat poor people. How come they can`t find work? Well, it`s
their fault. They`re lazy.

And then of course when it comes to the big takers, it`s these guys. These
guys Limbaugh and O`Reilly, the biggest conservative voices and media
profiles out there, they actually think that poor people in this country
make too much. And if they are poor, it`s only their fault. Their fault.
Merry Christmas.

Get your cellphones out, I want to know what you think tonight`s question.
Do Republicans want to make poor people poorer? Text A for Yes, text B for
No to 67622. You can always go to our blog at we`ll bring you
the results later on in the show.

My dad used to tell me that money does funny things to people. He said,
"Son, don`t ever forget where you came from." It`s the best advice I ever

I`d like to know Mr. O`Reilly could tell us what the best advice his dad
ever gave him. And what his dad stand up and say, "You`re doing the right
thing by hammering those poor people."

For more, let`s bring in Congressman George Miller of California.
Congressman, good to have you with us tonight. Thank you so much for
joining us.

Republicans, they just can`t seem to get enough of this holiday season.
They think that cutting food stamps is the best way to get to this budget
deal, but they haven`t had enough.

Will they ever back off, Congressman?

REP. GEORGE MILLER (D), CALIFORNIA: No, they won`t back off. They believe
and they -- for many years they played the political cards trying to
demonize the poor, trying to suggest the budget deficits are created by the
poor. You know, you mentioned Walmart notice who don`t -- who pay a
subminimum wage, essentially the minimum wages and worth what it was in
1968 and they get -- that cost us $7 billion in just food stamps alone
because those people don`t have enough money to stay out of poverty.
They`re against increasing the minimum wage and they`re against these
people having enough money for food in their family.


MILLER: They know that the fact that most study show that most -- so many
people on food stamps run out of food the third week every month that when
they have the money for food, it`s a $1.40 per person per meal. They know
how difficult it is for them to have the necessity, but that`s not their
political agenda. Their political agenda is to demonize them .


MILLER: . that`s why they fight back so hard. When the Pope suggest that
we should appeal to our better humanity and care for these people and be
concerned about these people and try to get them up on their feet and get
them productive in society and provide the mechanisms to do that that`s
what the Pope would say .

SCHULTZ: Well, Congressman, what about the Pope?

MILLER: . He was saying this was your better humanity in this holiday

SCHULTZ: And Congressman, what about the Pope? Does the Pope empower the
conversation for those who are willing to help those who are economically
in trouble in this country? I mean this is the first time that I can
remember that a Pope has injected himself into a conversation like this so
intensely. Does this change the dynamic at all?

MILLER: Well, you know, the Pope`s have injected themselves into these
societal conversations as part of the role of the church to take care of
the flaw (inaudible) .

SCHULTZ: Not with income inequality. This is because .

MILLER: No. I understand it`s been awhile. It`s been awhile since we`ve
seen this and very excited about it, but they`ve injected themselves in a
lot of other issues that you`ve seen play out here over the last several

But the fact of the matter is I think what this Pope is saying is be
discerning, think about who you`re talking about, think about the situation
of these people, put your own self in their shoes, walk in their shoes, and
those mechanisms that we -- we know that when you offer people jobs, you
know, we`ve all seen 12,000 people show up for 500 jobs .


MILLER: . stand in the cold .


MILLER: . stand in the snow. Many of those people are .


MILLER: . on food stamp whether they are standing in the snow trying to
get a job but not enough jobs.

SCHULTZ: And, Congressman, about those unemployed people, Republicans also
they, want to eliminate long term unemployment benefits. Is this going to
happen? Is this part of these budget negotiations?

MILLER: They`re going to work very hard to eliminate them. They expire
December 28. They don`t want to raise the minimum wage and they don`t want
to provide nutrition and food stamps for the families and the children in


MILLER: So they were in a trifecta here at the end of the year to make
sure that these people not only poor that they can`t get out of poverty.
They`re not a mechanism .


MILLER: . of poverty, they won`t pass the transportation job to create
jobs in our community. So they`re really locking the poor in. That`s
their goal and then demonize them for being locked into poverty, being
locked into unemployment.

SCHULTZ: Are you aware of any Republican idea to solve poverty in America?
Or is it just pull your bootstraps up and this is the way it is?

MILLER: They think that they can blame and shame the poor into doing I
don`t know what. But that`s always been their proposal that somehow shame
would correct the behavior of the poor. They haven`t been in their homes.
They haven`t been in their apartments. They haven`t been in the schools.
They haven`t been with the parents and the grandparents and the older
siblings that take care of their kids to try to cope with it. They haven`t
been with the people who move from shelters night after night and they
search for jobs during the day. They don`t understand. They haven`t walk
in their shoes. It`s just a very cruel political trick.

But I think America, you know, I think America seen this movie before.


MILLER: It doesn`t solve anything.

SCHULTZ: No, it`s just.


SCHULTZ: It`s just a different cast of characters with a little bit edgier
mean this no doubt.

Congressman George Miller good to have with us tonight.

MILLER: Thank you Ed.

SCHULTZ: I appreciate your time. Thank you so much. You bet.

Remember to answer tonight`s question there at the bottom of the screen,
share your thoughts with us on Twitter at Ed Show and on Facebook we
appreciate it when you do that and we always love to know what you think.

Coming up, new proof members of Congress are a bunch of space cadets.
Their priorities are out of this world. Plus, don`t you think Bubba needs
to kind of butt out here? We`ll cut him some slack. President Clinton
tries to clarify its claims about junk insurance, why would they use the
term junk insurance. And still ahead in Seattle it`s the workers against
Boeing. Stay with us.


SCHULTZ: Time now for the Trenders. Social media this is where you can
find us and I appreciate it when you do,, and, on the radio Monday through Friday
noon to 3:00 Channel 127 Sirius XM, the progress channel and of course on
liberal talk stations across the country.

By the way we`ve got the Ed Tour coming up, you go to my website and you`ll find out about the Ed Tour, first stop in February 8
is going to be in Fort Lauderdale. And of course on the 21st, we`re going
to be in Seattle, that`s February 21st.

Coming up, getting ready for it. Would it be a great thing to get your
uncle who`s already a ticket and have him come to the Ed Schultz radio show
and I`ll school him up real good for you for the holidays.

Ed Schultz social media nation has decided that we are reporting. Here are
today`s top trenders voted on by you.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s (inaudible) time.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The number three trender, jet set Santa.

WOLF BLITZER, CNN REPORTER: Santa`s annual Christmas Eve journey around
the world. The US Military says, "Will be accompanied by fire jets."


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Santa`s new little helpers are causing controversy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He`s got a couple of fighters on his tail. It`s a
little more of a military operation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Intel is getting confirmed that Jack Frost and the
abominable snowman will not be a threat.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Anti grinch spiral is up and we`ll continue to
monitor for threats.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No word if Santa is going to use (inaudible) this

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The number two trender, space cases.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: While the budget deadline looms.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There were only seven work days left until the end of
the first session of Congress.

SCHULTZ: But there doesn`t seem to be a sense of urgency to get a deal or
to meet any deadline when it comes to a budget.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The house science committee is out of this world.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A full house committee will spend time today holding
a hearing on alien.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you think it`s even conceivable that there is not
other life somewhere in the universe?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Today`s hearing appears to be a serious effort to
educate Congress.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you believe that there`s life out there Dr. Dale


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Dr. Stevens (ph)?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And today`s top trender, Bill back tracks.

SCHULTZ: Words matter.

BILL CLINTON, (FRM) US PRESIDENT: Even if it takes too long. The
President should honor the commitment the federal government made in those
reform (inaudible) what they got.

SCHULTZ: President Clinton I think went off the rails and defended the
junk insurance industry.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Clinton says he was only trying to help by defending
junk insurance.

CLINTON: I was trying to be supportive of it. I said nothing about this
until the President himself spoke. I don`t think you can find anybody in
America who has worked harder for his reelection or supported this bill or
went out of his way to explain the bill to the American people more than I


SCHULTZ: And joining me now Dr. Zeke Emanuel, MSNBC Contributor and Vice
Provost for World Global Initiatives at the University of Pennsylvania.
Doctor, good to have you with us tonight.


SCHULTZ: I can`t take argument with Bill Clinton. He worked awfully hard
to get President Obama reelected. He was tireless on the campaign trail.
But we`re almost at the point where every sound bite counts.

What role could Bill Clinton play at this point moving forward after trying
to mop up what was said in that interview?

EMANUEL: Well actually isn`t it interesting how that sort of -- that whole
narrative about people losing their insurance to sort of die away as the
website has come back and a million people or so a day now can visit the
website and see what`s available.

I do think a large part of the effort now has to be to drive people to take
a look at what`s on the website, for them to look at what the options are
and to see how much of a subsidy they`re going to get and so what the final
price of insurance will be for them. Getting the enrollment up into the
tens of thousands per day is going to be the critical issue going forward.

SCHULTZ: What President Clinton was talking about was junk insurance but
it doesn`t seem like anybody wants to use the term junk insurance. Why is
that? I mean isn`t it time to kind of play hardball with these people who
are throwing around myths and misinformation that`s just been flying out
everywhere? I mean the junk policy is a junk policy. You`re paying for
something and not getting much for it. Why aren`t they going down that

EMANUEL: Well, I think there is some short memory about how bad that
individual market was and continues to be. That`s actually a large part of
the reason we did health reform is because people who didn`t have health
employer based insurance often and went to that market .

SCHULTZ: Exactly.

EMANUEL: . and either got denied coverage, they had car bouts of things,
if they cancer they couldn`t get treatment for the cancer or they had very,
very high prices and it changed from year to year. And I think people
forget how bad that market was.

SCHULTZ: Exactly.


SCHULTZ: This is a vital point. The very things that they are trying to
defend over on the conservative side the anti`s when it comes to the
healthcare reform law is the very reason why the law morphed into what it
is today, the reason why it was addressed because the private insurance
market was so horrible for consumers in this country, the rates going
through the roof, the service is not being delivered or should I say
covered and now they`re turning around defending junk insurance. It`s been
a wild ride. I find it -- aren`t you somewhat amazed on how this is all

EMMANUEL: Well, I just think it`s political rhetoric and heated rhetoric.
But I mean I think Ed you make one very important point which is that you
cannot both before. Well, we don`t want the preexisting condition
exclusions. We don`t want insurance company to discriminate against people
who have serious illness.

On the other hand we do want them to be able to create this very slim plans
et cetera. That`s exactly how they exclude people who have health


EMMANUEL: .and how they make it very difficult to cover everyone. If
you`re going to cover everyone regardless of their health condition,
regardless of whether they`ve had cancer or a serious accident or some
other problem, you really have to have a mandate. You have to have a base
coverage that everyone has to get to, otherwise the market will not work
and that I think is a very important lesson that has been obscured by the
heated political rhetoric.

The reason you have to have this essential health benefits plan and the
reason you have to have the mandate is because those are the only ways you
can get rid off the preexisting disease exclusion from the individual

SCHULTZ: Dr. Zeke Emanuel good to have you with us on the Ed Show tonight.
I appreciate it so much. Thank you.

EMMANUEL: Thanks for having me.

SCHULTZ: You bet. Coming up, Republicans in the house are hungry for
what, impeachment? Yeah, they`re talking about outer space and
impeachment. But they won`t come out and say it. Still ahead you can call
Bill O`Reilly the Christmas crusader and the Governor of Rhode Island land
in tonight`s Pretenders.

But next, I`m taking your questions live Ask Ed Live coming up next here on
the Ed Show in MSNBC. We`ll right back.


SCHULTZ: Thanks for staying with us tonight on the Ed Show here on MSNBC,
love hearing from our viewers in this segment tonight in our Ask Ed Live

Our first question comes from Jaime Garfield. "How can Obama and Biden be
on the side of TPP?" The Transpacific Partnership, it is a huge trade deal
if you didn`t know what that was. In fact it is a trade deal that is going
to dwarf NAFTA and GATT. There`s no question about it.

To answer the question directly, it`s a mystery to me. But what`s
troublesome is that the administration has not explained to the American
people just how this is going to be good for American workers and how it`s
going to create jobs in our economy. OK, so we`re going to trade with
other countries, but there`s also causes in there that deal with
international tribunals that will circumvent American law when it comes to
trade and the agreements process is pretty gummed up as I understand it.

Also, this is an attack on American labor. It`s an outsourcing on steroids
agreement. And none of the trade agreements that we`ve had have been
productive when it comes to jobs.

I`m curious about this. It`s a mystery to me and I wish the President
would step up and explain exactly what the benefits are of this to the
middle class in this country.

Our next question is from G Christmas (ph), "Would you interview Michele
Bachmann and find out what God says we should do about the Affordable Care

Well, first of all the Congresswoman from Minnesota would never do an
interview with me, because my first question would be about the possible
ethics violation that she is being investigated for. I don`t think she
wants to answer that. Nobody else asked about it either. She insulates
herself pretty good at the conservative media.

I tell you what, I think God thinks of Affordable Care Act, it`s a big
amen. Stick around Rapid Response Panel is next.

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OBAMA: If Republicans have concrete plans that will actually reduce
inequality, build the middle class, provide more ladders of opportunity to
the poor, let`s hear them. I want to know what they are.

If you don`t think we should raise the minimum wage, let`s hear your idea
to increase people`s earnings. If you don`t think every child should have
access to preschool, tell us what you`d do differently to give them a
better shot.

If you still don`t like ObamaCare, and I know you don`t, even though it`s
built on market-based ideas of choice and competition in the private
sector, then you should explain how, exactly, you`d cut costs, and cover
more people, and make insurance more secure. You owe it to the American
people to tell us what you are for, not just what you`re against.


SCHULTZ: Amen to that. Early today President Obama delivered remarks on
the economy at an event hosted by the Center for American Progress, the
President clearly outlined who and what his administrations stands for and
asked the question, what are Republicans actually for? Do, I get to answer
that? I tell you exactly what Republicans are for.

On Tuesday Republicans members of the House Judiciary Committee will they
held this little hearing called, titled "The President`s Constitutional
Duty to Faithfully Execute the Laws."

The topic was one of their favorites, the prospect of the ditching the
President of the United States of course. The party have know wouldn`t
even use the word impeachment.


REP. STEVE KING, (R) IOWA: The word that we don`t like to say in this
committee, and I`m not about to utter here in this particular hearing.


SCHULTZ: Really? This is nothing new. Republicans talk impeachment every
time they disagree with the President and his policies. Let`s see Libya,
ObamaCare, gun policy, you name it.

The 113th Congress, you know what they`re going to do? They`re going to go
down as the least productive Congress in modern history. The only thing
Republicans have done is try to repeal ObamaCare over 40 times, they
haven`t presented an alternative. They haven`t worked to improve the law.
They just say no to everything.

Now, they`re wasting the American people`s time holding these hearings just
to gene up their extremist face.

President Obama is right. Republicans do owe it to the American people to
be honest and tell us exactly what you are for, why are you against minimum
wage? And everything else sits on the table when it comes to jobs.

Today the President spoke about income inequality and upward mobility. I
thought it was one of the best economic perspective speeches he has ever
given. This is what the Obama administration is all about. This is what
this President is about. This is I think why people voted for him.

He cares about those who are interested in having the American dream, while
the conservatives continually want to whittle it away.

Joining me now Rapid Response Panel, Washington Bureau Chief of and MSNBC Political Analyst David Corn with us tonight,
also Ruth Conniff of the Progressive Magazine in Wisconsin. Great to have
you both of you with us.

I want to talk about this income inequality and upward mobility Ruth. And
here are the Republicans not saying the word but this is really all about
the President is really not executing the laws faithfully in the United

RUTH CONNIFF, THE PROGRESSIVE MAGAZINE: Well, I`m with you Ed I think that
it`s great to hear the President talk about raising the minimum wage and
it`s exactly what the Republicans don`t want to talk about which is why
they really try very hard to avoid a vote on that where they have to go out
in public and express their opposition to it, it`s enormously popular.

People know that a lot of folks are on economic hard times and its unjust
not to pay people a living wage.

So, this is a winning argument and it`s one that the Republicans really
want to avoid. And so, instead they`re ginning up for the midterm
elections and the Presidential elections by talking about this preposterous
laundry list of impeachable offenses and then stumbling over themselves.

My favorite line with the Daily Coast headline this morning they talked
about how the Republicans held a hearing to see how many times they could
say impeachment without sounding crazy. They`re at odds about whether to
say it, you know, Representative Stockman of Texas has actually drawn up
articles of impeachment which could be seen as an IQ test for his
colleagues passing around this list of things and they range all over the


CONNIFF: . reasons to say that the President has violated the
constitution, but we went to the Supreme Court on the Affordable Care Act.

So, that one really is done as a constitutional violation.

SCHULTZ: David Corn, you have to lay the foundation before you build the
house. It seems like the Republicans are just covering their basis in case
something really comes up, they can go back home and say, "Well, you know,
we`ve held hearings on possibly impeaching the President. We`ve got it on
record what we think he hasn`t done with when it comes to upholding the
laws." What laws are they talking about?

DAVID CORN, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: You know it`s almost silly to take
them at face value and have a real discussion about this. Because they
seem not to understand that the federal -- within the federal government,
the executive branch has a tremendous amount of discretion and leeway in
insuring regulations that -- if as -- about how they implement laws.

And that`s really simply the big beef (ph) in a lot of ways that the Obama
Administration is using the power of regulation the way every other
President has done so in modern times.

I mean, I thought the speech, you know, so they can talk about that, the
President, I think did a great speech today was very reminiscing speeches
his given in the past when it gave it also out in the Kansas a couple years
ago and he makes very strong case, he did this throughout the campaign that
he believes in the government that works towards increasing social mobility
and lessening income disparity, income and equality in America.

I think that`s great. I mean, I know where he is at on this point and I
think he`s aware a lot of the American public is. I still think there is a
second piece to this which is, even though if nothing going to pass
Congress. He needs -- I think perpetually campaign for specific bills .


CORN: . where it`s minimum wage head start and infrastructure bank other
forms in investment and just keep pounding away saying, listen, there
wasn`t for this no, no, no Republicans Congress. Here are the things we
could get done and just, you know, drive that point home again, and again,
and again.

SCHULTZ: Well, obviously, the President is not running for election. You
used the campaign. I totally agree with you.

CORN: I`m in a policy campaign.

SCHULTZ: No. Well, the way I view it. I think the President needs to go
in a backyard of all of these radical Republican governors and campaign
against them and give that very same speech in Wisconsin, and also in Ohio,
and in Michigan, and in New Jersey .

CORN: Yeah.

SCHULTZ: . and in Florida. Were these guys have been opposed to
everything he his wanted to do when it comes to job, when it comes to
opportunity for people.

CORN: Right.

SCHULTZ: How would that -- how would that play in Wisconsin if that where
to happen Ruth?

CONNIFF: I think it would be fantastic. I mean, you know, we`re in a
state that is really hurting economically. We`re lagging the other states
around us. We have Republican governor who is been incredibly divisive
here but when it comes down to it really our economic situation is what hit
home with people.


CONNIFF: And I think all of this fever dreams about impeachment, and
talking about Benghazi, you know, it`s fine for Fox News, it`s fine for the
Republicans to drag it out during the primaries in Iowa, but the truth is
people have to live their lives, they need health care, they need decently,
I know that she`s really profoundly resonate with them, and I think there
are very open in hearing that speech.

SCHULTZ: And David Corn, it`s not as if the President is just giving some
political speech today. I mean, this was a visionary and what he believes
the country has to do and asking the question about the Republicans. Do
Republicans have anything to rally around aside from taking down President
Obama and his policies?

CORN: Well, as far as I can tell Ed, five things, Benghazi, Benghazi,
Benghazi, Benghazi, and Benghazi. That`s about it. But I mean -- you and
I agree, this was a great speech, these are great settlements. It`s all
about fighting for middle class. People are making sure there`s mobility
for low income workers for them and they`re showing to rise up on the
writers of income equality here in this country.

But I still think that the president has to be able to show that he`s
fighting for these things every single day, fighting, fighting, fighting
that has -- he has finally to do that beyond giving very good speeches.

SCHULTZ: Yeah. David Corn, Ruth Conniff, thanks for being with us
tonight. I appreciate it so much.


SCHULTZ: Still ahead, Boeing`s corporate greed is living workers in the
City of Seattle. Blowing in the wind. What`s going to happen? Stay


SCHULTZ: And in Pretenders tonight, cave man, Lincoln Chafee, the Rhode
Island Governor took a stand on the separation of Church and state with a
holiday tree in the State House.


O`REILLY: A holiday tree really governor? What`s a tradition of holiday
tree? Where is the holiday tree come from?

LINCOLN CHAFEE, (I) RHODE ISLAND GOVERNOR: You do have to go to public
school and have to say the Lord`s Prayer in a public school? Oh I did.
And get this, first we had to say, Pledge Allegiance which is good, but
then all of us had to say the Lord`s Prayer.

But then the Supreme Court ruled that, that should not be. That all
students` non-Christians have to say a Christian prayer. And there was
outrage just like there is now with the street, but now you look back on it
when you think, of course, you can`t ask non-Christians to say a Christian
prayer in public school. So this controversies, you generate them here but
they`re really shouldn`t be controversies.


SCHULTZ: Well this season, the Governor cave and now O`Reilly has spiking
the football.


O`REILLY: A very positive footnote in Rhode Island Governor Lincoln Chafee
has announced of the official state tree will be called a Christmas tree
this year. We remember we debated the Governor last year over the holiday
tree designation and we are pleased that Governor Chafee made the call to
Christmas this year. Thank you Governor.


SCHULTZ: Oh, there he is no war on Christmas. If Lincoln Chafee thinks
leadership means bowing to the mayor of cable news. He can keep on
pretending. Hold on. O`Reilly let makes sure you`re the real war on
Christmas. My tree is bigger than yours.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. This is a story for the folks who
take a shower after work. Boeing, they make jets. Turning its back on us
workers in Seattle, question mark. The U.S. aerospace giant recently
announce the record breaking number of customer orders and commitments for
it`s new Triple 7X aircraft.

The majority of those order commitments were from an international air


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m pleased to announce that Emirates will order 150
Boeing Triple 7X aircraft


SCHULTZ: Emirates and four other airlines bought 259 new airplanes based
on the list prices. These agreements are worth more than $95 billion.
Sounds like a really good thing except Boeing is only thinking about
shareholders and not its workers.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They choose to take the Triple 7X down the same path up
to 787 and commit corporate suicide, it`s their business. It`s not ours.


SCHULTZ: If the machine is union in Washington State rejected Boeing`s
long term contract proposal to build a new Triple 7X aircraft of the Puget
Sound Region because they just thought it was a bad offer.

Boeing barely waited for results for the union vote before it begin calling
other states to find a new site for the assembly. According the reports
some of the other states now competing for the jobs are California, South
Carolina, Texas, and Missouri.

Boeing is trying to save a buck by moving operations away from qualified
train union professionals and they have the infrastructure in Seattle. So
you can easily see that this is another wage war when it comes to labor in
America. Where are they going to be built? This crap is on.

Scott Paul, Alliance for American Manufacturing, President joins us tonight
on this. Scott, good to have you with us.


SCHULTZ: The time cable on this is really close, the states on the list
have until December 10th to come up with proposals that are going to
include obviously tax breaks incentives for Boeing moving the Triple 7X
project to their state. How do you see this unfolding for the positive for
the workers?

PAUL: I think the scenario has to change Ed, because you`re right, this is
ultimately about good middle class manufacturing jobs, and that`s the real
value to the U.S economy of a company like Boeing making great planes, and
they do make great planes. They make the best planes in the world. They
have the best aircraft workers in the world in Washington.

They wanted to renegotiate a labor contract a couple years ahead of its
exploration. The State of Washington was willing to give $9 billion in tax
incentives, the largest in the history of the state by far to keep Boeing
there. And it`s not like Boeing is in debt, 4 billion in profits last
year, good stock price, all of those orders as you indicate and what I see
this becoming unfortunately is a race to the bottom, and that`s not a race
that we want our workers to be in. That`s not ultimately race, it`s going
to be good for the U.S. economy.

SCHULTZ: Does the question come up about Boeing`s potential ability to
maintain its quality because the infrastructure is there in Seattle, the
trained workforces there in Seattle. All of the -- when I say
infrastructure, I`m talking about all of the guts that are put together to
put an aircraft like this together.

I mean this is going to have -- that would be major facility construction
in these other states that simply can`t match with Seattle has right now.
What about that?

PAUL: Absolutely. I`ve been to the campus in Everett and it say it stated
the arts. Again, the workforce is the best in the world at making
airplanes. They actually have it compared of advantage. They do very well
at that.

And so, it would take a lot and one of the lessons and this is the shocking
thing to me of the 787 Dreamliner which had a lot of challenges coming out
of the gate. It`s been a lot of that plane ended up being outsource, both
to other locations in the U.S. and overseas, and when they put it back all
together there were some challenges with that.

To me, the management lesson is that you want to keep as much of how that`s
possible on site to mitigate your risks and this is heading in the office
of direction.

And so, I`m not sure that even from a management perspective, it`s a very
wise now today.

SCHULTZ: Yeah. And Boeing said that it will not negotiate. It will not
negotiate with the machinist and Washington after they rejected the
contract offer. What`s left for the union to do?

PAUL: Well, hopefully Governor Inslee, some others can weigh in on Boeing
and as you and I, we`re just discussing that Boeing comes to understand
that they`re not going to be able to replace that workforce. So -- and
all those years of experience that they have.

And ultimately a race to the bottom isn`t going to do Boeing at any favors
as well. I mean, you know, the companies that buy their planes buy them
because they fly very well, not because they`re necessarily cheap, and
that`s what you want. You don`t want necessarily cheap worker. You want
workers who were highly skilled, who have years of experience and who can
put a great plane together as they have over the last couple of decades for
Boeing right there in the State of Washington.

SCHULTZ: Scott Paul, Alliance for American Manufacturing, good to have you
with us tonight. Thanks so much for joining us. We will do more on this
story. I like to know what Congress thinks of these bidding wars that are
taking place. And of course, again, it`s the workers who take the shaft.

That`s the Ed Show. I`m Ed Schultz. Politics Nation with Reverend Al
Sharpton starts right now. Good evening Rev.


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