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ALL IN with CHRIS HAYES
December 23, 2013
Guests: Josh Barro, Lizz Winstead, Nancy Giles, Richard Kim
CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC HOST: Good evening from New York. There you are.
I`m Chris Hayes.
Thanks for joining us tonight for a very special show.
ANNOUNCER: Welcome to the first annual ALL IN All Awards Show
HAYES: You know it`s special when we order up special animation.
2013 is coming to a close with the president of the United States
signing up for the care that bears his name, Obamacare, by the D.C.
exchange. The White House announcing it was extending the deadline to
enroll in coverage that will be effective January 1st to midnight tomorrow
night. That extension coming because of the overwhelming surge in demand.
A Beltway consensus is that this has been a bad year for President
Barack Obama, his worst ever, in fact. But while the politics of this year
have been dicey, the year`s coming to a close with millions of Americans
who have been condemned to the anxiety and cruelty and uncertainty of life
without health insurance start getting it, and for many, it will be their
MSNBC.com, for example, reporting back in October about Kentuckian
Deborah Wright, who struggled for 30 years to take care of herself without
health insurance. She avoided the doctor because she couldn`t afford the
cost. "Usually, if I had to go, I`d have to borrow the money," she told
MSNBC. "But most of the time, I didn`t go."
Thanks to the Affordable Care Act, she was able to enroll this fall in
Medicaid, and that puts the question of approval ratings and politics
somewhat in perspective.
All in all, it`s been a pretty eventful year. A terrifying bomb
attack at the Boston marathon, a U.S. military intervention in Syria
averted, a landmark Supreme Court decision striking down legal
discrimination against gay and lesbian couples, and perhaps most shocking
of all, the video music awards and probably enjoying a moment of culture
Tonight, for the first time in ALL IN`s history, we`ll be handing out
year-end awards categories that focus on some of the highest and lowest
moments in the politics and culture of the past 12 months. I`m very happy
to have you with us.
Also with me and joining me to issue their own picks for those awards,
Josh Barro, politics editor for "Business Insider," Nancy Giles,
contributor for "CBS Sunday Morning," Richard Kim, executive editor at the
nation.com, and Lizz Winstead, comedian and co-creator of "The Daily Show."
Now, it`s time for our first award.
ANNOUNCER: It`s the ALL IN 2013 worst quote of the year award.
HAYES: All right, worst quote of the year. I`m going to go first on
this one, and this goes to Republican Congressman Stephen Fincher of
Tennessee who was one of the Republicans who voted against food stamps,
also voted to continue farm subsidies. In explaining his philosophy on
food stamps, he had this to say.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
REP. STEPHEN FINCHER (R), TENNESSEE: I looked at Second Thessalonians
3:10, for even when we were with you, we gave you this rule of the one who
is unwilling to work shall not eat."
If you don`t work, you don`t eat. But more than that, the role of
citizens, of Christians, of humanity, is to take care of each other, but
not for Washington to steal money from those in the country and give it to
others in the country.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HAYES: All right. So, Stephen Fincher, one of the Republicans who`s
voted for $40 billion in food stamp cuts, justifying it with the biblical
injunction, you don`t work, you don`t eat. But here is the best thing from
Stephen Fincher, the thing that makes me absolutely see red. Steven
Fincher has a farm.
HAYES: No, no, this is a true fact. Since 1995, that farm has
received $3 million in taxpayer money and subsidies, in farm subsidies, to
the Fincher Farm. He made more last year from farm subsidies than the
median income for a household of four. This is just money given by
taxpayers to Steven Fincher to farmers at the same time that he is
literally sitting on the dole and getting millions of U.S. taxpayer
dollars, he is cutting off food stamps.
This is like the -- this is everything I hate about the current
Republican Congress. It would be one thing if they had some small degree
of actual ideological consistency, but it is to me perfectly embodied in a
party that is going to screw people over on food stamps with some
ridiculous biblical injunction while sitting there and literally collecting
their welfare checks from Uncle Sam --
LIZZ WINSTEAD, CO-CREATOR, "THE DAILY SHOW": Wait.
NANCY GILES, CBS: Is it not simple? I mean, does he not realize he`s
done this? Is he a fractured personality, is that what going on?
HAYES: Well, no, I think -- I don`t think that he sees it
RICHARD KIM, THE NATION: I think it`s sincere.
HAYES: It`s sincere. And let`s remember, let`s also remember, the
Republican Party split up, right, the food stamps and the farm subsidy
votes precisely so they could continue this kind of hypocrisy.
JOSH BARRO, BUSINESS INSIDER: I know, it`s amazing. If you go up to
anybody who like works for a conservative think tank or a conservative who
living in Washington, they`ll say to you, oh, obviously farm subsidies are
awful. When you look at budget plans put out --
HAYES: This is the consensus opinion of conservative wonks.
BARRO: Yes, and of liberals. It`s like one area, if you look at
budget plans from think tanks all over the spectrum, they also say cut farm
subsidies. But there were only 12 Republicans in the House who voted no on
the farm-only food stamp --
BARRO: So, you have a small number of principled conservatives who
would say, no, handing out free money to farmers for no reason is bad
policy and a waste of taxpayer money. Five times as many were unwilling to
vote for the food stamp bill because it only cut $20 billion --
HAYES: And they wanted more.
BARRO: -- over 10 years.
HAYES: All right. Josh, what is your worst quote of the year?
BARRO: My worst quote goes to President Obama. It`s not something he
said this year. It`s something he said over and over again in 2009 and
2010. You probably know what it is.
HAYES: Let`s take a listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: If you like your
current insurance, you keep that insurance, period, end of story.
If you`ve got health insurance, you can keep it. If you have
insurance that you like, then you will be able to keep that insurance.
No matter what you`ve heard, if you like your doctor or health care
plan, you can keep it.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HAYES: All right.
HAYES: Was there a problem with that? I missed that. I was out that
WINSTEAD: That was two years ago.
BARRO: Yes, yes. No, I mean, obviously, what is wrong with this, is
it`s true for most people. It`s not true for everybody. You had about 5
million people whose plans in the existing private insurance market were
canceled, which is a little bit less than 2 percent of the population, but
it`s 5 million people.
HAYES: Five million on the receiving end of the you.
BARRO: Right. Yes, so that`s a lot of people that can write to the
"Wall Street Journal" about how their plan can be canceled.
HAYES: Richard, this was also your quote.
KIM: Yes, I totally agree with Josh. And I think that, you know, is
so bad here is that it`s such an unforced political error, right? I get
why the White House said they. They wanted to avoid the sort of Hillary-
care disruptions of service, but it actually runs counter to the intent of
The whole point of the ACA is to actually get rid of these crappy
plans, right, that shouldn`t actually be on the market.
HAYES: OK, so, here`s -- let me argue against this unforced error
idea. The biggest obstacle to any kind of universal health care perform is
disruption, right? The idea that people are going to take away the thing
you have. You have this problem which is the system as a whole doesn`t
work. The majority of people like what they have and you have to thread
Saying you`re going to be able to keep your insurance, which was
broadly true, if not in the 5 million particular case, broadly true, was a
way of appeasing that. And if they knew that wasn`t going to be true
later, which I actually don`t think they were. I think they were surprised
by the way the policy blew up in their face, but it`s basically just like -
- well, we`ll just deal with that when we actually do it, right?
I mean, there`s a political calculation there, there`s a cost-benefit
calculation, Lizz, which is, like, this is what we have to say to get this
passed and we`ll deal with the consequences later.
WINSTEAD: But I don`t think that`s what they needed to say to the
American people. I think they needed to say, you know that crappy plan you
have? You don`t even know the doctor who`s on it, he could be from who
knows what kind of crappy medical school. That guy`s gone and now you can
have good, American, awesome, health care --
HAYES: Once you start hedging those emphatic declarations lose their
BARRO: I think it`s less simple than this. Part of the reason the
plans changed and got more expensive was that there are more comprehensive
in a lot of places, but also, it`s because -- it was really expensive to
extend this coverage to a lot of people who didn`t have it before, a l of
whom were quite sick and it was expensive to cover them. And there are
different ways you can finance.
If you had a single-payer system, you`d be financing it with taxes.
It would be mostly paid for by wealthy people. A big part of the financing
of Obamacare is higher premiums on people who are healthy and middle
BARRO: There are a small number of these people who are made
substantially worse off by the law and they have good reason to be
complaining. Why are these the people who we turn to finance this reform
of the system?
HAYES: Right. Nancy, go ahead.
GILES: I was just going to say, the thing it boils down to is it`s a
complicated system, and people like to latch on to simple phrases and go
with that, and it`s just not simple. It did help a lot of people`s lives,
but people were able to attach themselves to that. If you don`t want to
change, you don`t have to, and that made it look like the president was --
HAYES: For the record, I was playing devil`s advocate. You can`t say
that and have it not be true. Politically, that was a problem.
All right. Nancy, I want to go to you. Your worst quote of the year
comes from Mayor Michael Bloomberg.
GILES: I`m so happy to see him go. I do like city bike. I won`t lie
about that, but there are so many things that he did that I think just
showed the kind of deaf ear he had to the people who he`s mayor of, and
this quote shows it all.
HAYES: Let`s take a listen.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
MAYOR MICHAEL BLOOMBERG (I), NEW YORK: One newspaper and one news
service, they just keep saying, oh, it`s a disproportionate percentage of a
particular ethnic group. That may be, but it`s not a disproportionate
percentage of those who witnesses and victims describe as committing the
murder. In that case, incidentally, I think we disproportionately stop
whites too much and minorities too little.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GILES: We stop whites too much and minorities too little.
HAYES: Too much and minorities -- here`s Mayor Michael Bloomberg
defending the infamous stop-and-frisk policy, which is a policy the NYPD
implemented under his watch in which disproportionately, black and brown
men are stopped, even though -- even though the vast majority of them
stopped have done nothing wrong, no drugs, no guns, no anything.
GILES: No drugs, no guns --
HAYES: Struck down by a federal judge and this was his response.
This is a perfect nightmare Mayor Bloomberg moment. There`s a million ways
you can defend the policy that doesn`t tell the people who are critics of
it basically to go themselves.
GILES: But I mean, just look, as a personal note, how do you like
hearing that, you know, white people are stopped too much?
GILES: Black people aren`t stopped enough.
I mean, it hurts my feelings. It hurts my brothers` and my friends`
feelings, and it`s also statistically not accurate.
And I think that`s what really bugged me more than anything. There
are statistics that show, just like you said, the disproportionate amount
of black men that are stopped, men of color, with no -- getting no goods
from them, and a smaller percentage of white people that are stopped where
they were finding guns and drugs. And to look at statistics --
GILES: -- and say that`s no.
HAYES: And Ta-Nehisi Coates had a great column on this response that
says, the logical inference here is just the logical inference of racism.
It`s a nonsensical one. It is true that, for instance, people from the
subcontinent, Indians and Pakistanis, make up an entire percentage of
people in med school and doctors than they would have the general
population, but if someone said to you, you`ve got to get yourself a
Pakistani doctor, you`d look at them like they`re nuts, because that`s not
how we reason.
But that is literally the reasoning embedded in Mayor Bloomberg`s
All right. Lizz Winstead, your worst quote of the year.
WINSTEAD: My worst quote of the year comes from Rand Paul and you`re
thinking, wow, how could you pick one? But I picked one, and I think it`s
the worst one of all.
HAYES: Take a listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SEN. RAND PAUL (R), KENTUCKY: I do support unemployment benefits for
the 26 weeks that they`re paid for. If you extend it beyond that, you do a
disservice to these workers. You`re causing them to become part of this
perpetual unemployed group in our economy.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HAYES: Why did that grind your gears, Lizz Winstead?
WINSTEAD: Well, it grinds my gears for a couple reasons. One, when
you say you`re doing someone a favor who is struggling, it is unbelievably
detached, especially when you`re talking about people who are completely
not represented at all in Congress, at all anywhere. So they are
frantically sitting there saying this guy is telling me I`m going to be
better because I can`t feed my kids after Christmas. And --
HAYES: Three days after Christmas, 1.3 million people will lose their
unemployment checks and he was defending that policy, which Republicans
insisted on as the cost of getting a budget deal and telling those people
we would be doing you a disservice if we extended unemployment.
WINSTEAD: It`s also for me the icing on the making poverty a morality
issue, and I`m very, very sick of people who are struggling being demonized
as though it`s a character flaw. I feel sick to my stomach about it,
HAYES: There is a Republican congressman from Tennessee named Stephen
Fincher, who says you don`t work, you don`t eat.
All right. Coming up, what are the most important stories of the year
that no one covered because we were too impressed with the least important
stories of the year?
The ALL IN Awards for Under-Covered and Over-Covered, up next.
HAYES: Oh, hi, there, Internet friends! Happy holidays. We`re going
to need your help for tonight`s very special, first annual ALL IN All
All you have to do answer on or all of the same questions I have
planned for my guest.
OK. So, number one, what did the media over cover this year? What
did the media undercover?
Number two, what do you think was the biggest victory of 2013? Number
three, biggest under-the-radar victory of the year. Number four, your pick
for rookie of the year. And, finally number five, what is this year`s best
moment. Tweet your answers @allinwithchris or post at
Facebook.com/allinwithchris. I`ll share a couple at the end of the show.
HAYES: Welcome back to the first annual ALL IN All Awards Show.
All right, it`s time for our second award of the night.
ANNOUNCER: It`s the ALL IN Under-Covered and Over-Covered Stories of
the Year Award.
HAYES: All right, what stories this year were over-covered, what were
under-covered? You get to choose one of each.
I`ll begin with you, Josh Barro, over-covered, under-covered.
BARRO: OK, and both of these are partly my fault --
HAYES: Believe me, bro, I work in cable news, so there is nothing
that doesn`t get on me as well. This entire segment is just invitation for
BARRO: OK. So, under-covered, Medicaid expansion. We`ve been
focusing a lot over the last 2 1/2 months on the rollout of private
insurance plans through the exchanges and Obamacare, which were a disaster
and are now less of a disaster, but you also have this other half of the
insurance expansion, which is Medicaid. And so, you`re going get millions
of people signing up under that, many of them most vulnerable people in the
country, most in need of the expansion.
But then you also have 4.8 million people who should be getting the
Medicaid expansion who won`t because governors have decided basically that
they want to spite the president. The federal government would pay 100
percent of the cost of this program for the first three years and then 90
percent of it thereafter, and they`re saying no just because they want to
do anything to stop --
HAYES: During the plan cancellation frenzy, this was my hobby horse.
OK, fine, the people getting their plans canceled, I understand, that`s
frustrating and angry for them, but like go talk to some people who are
being denied Medicaid expansion because you know what? They`re frustrated,
And so, what do you think is over-covered?
BARRO: In the last few months, the culture war stories, black Santa,
pajama boy and then "Duck Dynasty" in the last few days.
HAYES: Oh, yes, not like we did nine segments on them.
BARRO: I wrote a piece on "Duck Dynasty" on Friday, wrote another one
on Saturday --
KIM: You are milking it.
BARRO: Those are my most popular stories of the year on any topic --
GILES: You`re part of the problem, not part of the solution.
BARRO: and I`m going to quit writing about monetary policy and
housing and everything else and just write about "Duck Dynasty."
HAYES: As Ron Burgundy says in the clip from the upcoming "Anchorman
2," which I don`t know if anyone has heard this movie is coming, but for
warning, he says why do we have to give people the news they need rather
than the news they want?
BARRO: Yes, no, I mean --
HAYES: "Duck Dynasty" for the win on that.
Nancy Giles, over-covered story of the year?
GILES: Over-covered. I thought the Healthcare.gov Web site glitches,
I thought they were covered without context. There was no mention of
whether they could have been hacked. I saw all these Web sites, you know,
KillObamacare.gov, all kinds of problems that could have happened that way,
site tampering, and a lot of people signed up by phone and got on
So, I felt like that fixture on the Web site problems were a little
My under-covered story was, unfortunately, another stand your ground
case. A young man named Jordan Davis in Jacksonville, Florida who was with
friends at a gas station playing rap music and a guy that pulled in named
Michael Dunn decided that, somehow, he felt threatened and he thought he
saw a barrel of a gun and he shot and killed Jordan Davis. And another
young man lost for a ridiculous reason.
HAYES: A remarkable story. It was a gas station incident in which
the alleged killer said that he told him to turn their music down. He, the
alleged killer`s white, young men in the car bumping hip-hop music.
Everyone who`s every like been anywhere in the gas station has seen
exactly this interaction go down exactly this way. It ended with the
alleged shooter saying that Jordan Davis, he saw a gun, he shot and killed.
There was no gun in the car, we should establish.
GILES: No gun, nothing.
HAYES: He, now, he attempted to use stand your ground. Now he`s
being prosecuted for murder, so we will see how this bears out in terms of
how the Florida justice deals with it.
Richard Kim, over-covered, under-covered.
KIM: So, my over-covered story is the pope. Chris, I know you are a
big fan --
HAYES: I`m getting slaughtered out here.
KIM: It`s great to hear religious leaders condemn the tyranny of
unfettered capitalism and idolatry of money, but the Catholic Church is
still at the forefront of battles against abortion and contraception. It`s
still leading the legal case against contraception coverage in the
In Uganda, where Catholicism is the largest religion, the pope has yet
to condemn bill to put homosexuals in jail for life. I feel like if don`t
have actual reproductive and human rights at the core of an economic
message, it`s incomplete.
HAYES: So, this critique is as much about the tenor of the coverage
as about quantity, right? I mean, you`re saying like there`s been all this
coverage and it`s all been essentially enthusiastic, this guy`s great, he`s
changing the way everything is perceived and there should be more
skepticism, a lot more critical inquiry directed at the church --
KIM: Yes. I`m also saying it`s like not just the economic here and
cultural, but those two are one and the same.
The under-covered is the trial of Chelsea Manning. However you feel
about what Chelsea Manning did and what punishment she should or should not
get, it is undeniably one of the biggest trials of the year, if not the
decade. And I think mainstream media really failed to cover it. It was
mostly independent journalists who were there. They had a really hard time
getting into the courts.
HAYES: "The New York Times" had basically be shamed into sending a
reporter there. One thing I will say about that, it`s a remarkable thing.
I really understand now how people that don`t want things to be covered
keep them from being covered because I work in television now. And the
first question at the editorial meeting is, is there tape? Is there sound?
And there`s never any tape or sound.
There`s no tape or sound that comes out of Guantanamo. There`s no
tape or no sound of anything basically that ever happens on Wall Street,
regulations, derivatives, SEC. And there`s no -- that doesn`t justify
WINSTEAD: Printouts --
HAYES: But it`s so fascinating to watch the way in people who don`t
want things covered keep things away from microphones, away from cameras.
It makes a huge difference. Jodi Arias, the jury asking her questions was
on TV, it then got on TV.
Lizz Winstead, over-covered, under-covered.
WINSTEAD: Over-covered, anything Anthony Weiner.
HAYES: Just because you just said that, I now have to play an Anthony
Weiner tape so we can all be reminded in case people forgot. Here`s
Take a look.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ANTHONY WEINER (D-NY), FORMER U.S. CONGRESSMAN: Good afternoon. My
name`s Anthony Weiner, Democratic candidate for mayor of the city of New
I have said that other texts and photos were likely to come out, and
today they have.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HAYES: That is the hastily called Anthony Weiner press conference
after reports that other texts and photos after the period in which he was
supposedly rehabilitated --
WINSTEAD: All of it was ridiculous. The guy was in fourth place.
The entire mayoral race was treated like he was the front-runner
constantly. The same amount of "I don`t give a who`s howdy crap about that
guy was -- I was so mad, yes.
So, underreported, I`m changing my mind for the third time and I`m
going to say North Carolina. The laws that have come down in North
Carolina are not just repro (ph) justice, it`s immigration, it`s every
voting right, it`s every voting rights, everything. If you were to lay out
everything going on in North Carolina, you would not believe it`s America.
And, Ari Berman has been amazing on it, and if you want to know about
it, go back and read what Berman has been writing about it because it`s
been spot out.
HAYES: It`s been incredible what`s happened on that state.
All right. Quickly, my over-covered, under-covered.
Over-covered is the FOX News/Drudge obsession with the so-called
knockout game, which this is a flavor of what that- and this has been on
FOX all the time. Take a listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BILL O`REILLY, FOX NEWS: "Weekdays with Bernie" segment tonight,
another example of young black Americans committing senseless crimes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The horrifying and deadly new trend sweeping the
country called the knockout game.
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS: The game? Well, young teens try to
knock out a random victim with one brutal punch.
SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS: Young men involved reportedly just do it for
the fun of it. Pretty sick, pretty disturbing.
BO DIETL: It`s being suppressed by the news media. The liberal news
media doesn`t want to say exactly what it is. It`s gangs of black youths
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HAYES: You get a sense of the racial politics and subtext, or not
even subtext, text of that. And my under-covered story, this year we
passed a landmark, 400 parts per million of carbon in the atmosphere. You
might think yourself, 400 parts per million, what the heck does that me?
OK, look at this. This is the past 800,000 years, and that`s carbon
in the atmosphere. And you see that it bounces between 200 parts per
million and 300 parts per million for 800,000 years and this year, it
crossed 400 parts per million.
A lot of people think the safest level we can have is 350 parts per
million, hence the name of the group, 350.org. We are headed for 450 and
after that, Lord knows what, and that got zero, zero coverage. The other
thing that didn`t get coverage is this headline from "The Guardian" about
the billion dollars that conservative groups have been spending to combat
action on climate change.
2013 was a year of victories big and small. We`re going to run
through some of our favorites, up next.
HAYES: We are back with the first annual ALL IN All Awards Special.
All right, our next award is --
ANNOUNCER: It`s the ALL IN Victory of the Year Award.
HAYES: Nancy Giles, victory of the year.
GILES: I thought it was when the Senate Democrats changed the
filibuster rules. I got tired of the minority -- well, they gave the
minority a bad name, actually -- stonewalling all the president`s nominees.
They stonewalled over 80, I think, nominees, more than all the other
presidents combined. It was ridiculous.
HAYES: We have a great graphic of that, that actually, Harry Reid`s
office put together. This is the pie chart of filibusters of executive
nominees and you see in the history of republic, there have been 168. Did
I do that math correctly? Yes; 168, 86 of which were prior to Barack
Obama, 82 of which --
GILES: In the history of the republic!
HAYES: In the history of the republic. So, this is basically
something nobody did until Barack Obama took office. At one point, they
had to recess appointments -- my favorite anecdote -- the printer (ph) of
the United States, one who supervises, was recess appointed because there
was such a glut of nominations.
KIM: I picked the same thing as Nancy. They used to block people to
the CFTB, the NLRB, the federal courts, and it`s already had an impact.
Patricia Millett is going to be appointed to the D.C. Court of Appeals.
Janet Yellen is going to get a vote for the Fed because of this, right?
The only thing I will add is this should have been the biggest victory
HAYES: Right. Fair point.
All right, biggest victory, Lizz Winstead.
WINSTEAD: I would say Richard Kim`s favorite, Pope Francis coming
out. And the reason is, it`s just nice to hear the obvious, you know,
blah, blah, blah, let`s get back to social justice.
But what I really liked about it was the fact that it brought the
vitriol of the right wing out in a way that nobody else could have done it.
When you`re coming out against the pope going back to the tenants of Jesus
Christ as a right-wing conservative, it`s kind of amazing and real reveals
what the --
HAYES: I also thought he is a critic of unfettered capitalism in the
document he wrote. And I just thought, you know, someone made this point
to me and I forget who it was, and I`m stealing this and I`m not crediting,
but it was, when`s the last time you had a global voice of this magnitude
as a critic of the current incarnation of capitalism? Just, we don`t have
that voice --
HAYES: Particularly since 1989, there has been no alternative system,
right? There has been no Marxist counter to the capitalist west, right?
So, the fact of the matter is, the current way that globalized,
financialized capitalism works has done a -- wreaked a lot of havoc, been
very destructive in many.
There are certainly things that have been amazing about it, but a lot
of destructive it`s laid in its path. And to have a global voice, an icon
of that magnitude who speaks about that...
BARRO: All right, guys, pope plus one, pope plus one.
WINSTEAD: Yes, I agree with you.
GILES: Yes, I all for it.
All right, here is my victory of the year. Take a listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Supreme Court has just struck down the federal
Defense of Marriage Act.
(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is the law passed by Congress in 1996, signed
by President Clinton that prevented the federal government from recognizing
the validity of same-sex marriages in the states where they`re legal.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Children born today will grow up in a world
without DOMA, and those same children who happen to be gay will be free to
love and get married, as Thea and I did, but with the same federal
benefits, protections and dignity as everyone else.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HAYES: All right, Supreme Court in an amazing decision striking down
the Defense of Marriage Act, which was an absolutely awful, discriminatory,
execrable piece of legislation signed by President Bill Clinton, passed by
the Gingrich Congress.
The decision, as Scalia says in his dissent about that and both the
Prop 8 case, paves the way for essentially the finding of a constitutional
right to marry whoever you want, and in fact, we have seen a federal judge
apply that logic recently in Utah, where that state`s ban on same-sex
marriage has been struck down, declared unconstitutional.
Just an absolute sea change, and just in the context and trajectory
for the battle for marriage equality and just for gay rights in general,
just an amazing moment that the court was able to see the logic of that.
That was one of my favorite shows we did all year was to come in that day
and do that show that night.
WINSTEAD: That`s cool.
HAYES: And I feel really honored and privileged to be sitting here
sharing that night with all of you.
Josh Barro, victory of the year.
BARRO: My victory of the year...
HAYES: From the sublime to the ridiculous.
BARRO: Yes, my victory of the year is the budget deal, which
everybody hates. And you know -- yes, thank you.
KIM: There is icing on that.
BARRO: I will stimulate, it`s not a good budget, but it is a budget.
It`s a deal that lasts for two years. It means we won`t have to wonder
will the government shut down next month, will there be another round of
fiscal austerity, what economic policy are we even going to have six weeks
And Congress has been such an anchor around the American economy by
creating this uncertainty. Republicans like to talk about uncertainty from
Obamacare and that sort of thing, but the damaging uncertainty comes from
this sort of, you know, like amateur policy-making. So, now at least we
have this clarity. We have Janet Yellen at the Fed creating clarity on
We`re already seeing good effects. We had a report that came out on
customer confidence today showed. It`s way back up. We regained all the
loss during the shutdown.
BARRO: And the thing that fundamentally is driving, is immiserating
people in America right now -- or one of the most important things anyway -
- is this weak labor mark that keeps wages depressed and people unemployed.
And an uptick in economic growth created by things like the budget deal and
other things at least modestly improve the economy will lead to an
improvement in middle-class living standards.
HAYES: I don`t think it`s so ridiculous. And I`m going to throw some
peppermint bark at you, but I would say this.
HAYES: If unemployment insurance were included in that deal, I would
be there with you and I would cheering much more loudly. It just -- it
makes me so -- and I totally get your points about the sort of stability it
But it gets me so freaking furious that these people were left out.
There are a bunch of victories this year that were seldom talked
about. You know what? We`re going to talk about them. Stick around.
HAYES: Welcome back to ALL IN All Awards Special. You have entered
the lightning round, in which we go around quickly and say what the under-
the-radar victory was of the year.
You, Richard Kim.
KIM: The state minimum wage hikes, including in New Jersey, which
passed by 61 percent. It`s a constitutional amendment and it`s a hike to
inflation and it will go up year after year.
HAYES: Lizz Winstead.
WINSTEAD: That Mitch McConnell actually has somebody who is possibly
going to at least show that there are Democrats in Kentucky and she could
possibly win. If a woman could take his seat, that would be awesome.
HAYES: Alison Lundergan Grimes already elected to statewide office,
very young, raising lots of money. Polling evenly with Mitt Romney is a
WINSTEAD: Big deal.
HAYES: My victory of the year keys off yours. It`s even smaller than
a state. It`s a tiny municipality called SeaTac, where the Seattle-Tacoma
Airport is. They successfully passed a wage hike to $15 an hour under the
logic that most of those workers work in an airport and that airport can`t
HAYES: And what I like about this, too, is it`s a little bit of
policy experimentation. If the doomsdayers about this are right, the
negative consequences will make themselves known and I think it will
discredit this kind of move. If the doomsdayers wrong, we are going to
find out in either direction, so I`m looking forward to this little
laboratory of minimum wage policy.
BARRO: Arizona Governor Jan Brewer, a Republican, forcing the
Medicaid expansion through her same-party legislature in a knockdown, drag-
out fight, telling them first she will veto any budget that doesn`t have it
and then that she will veto any bill she sends them until they expand it.
Members of her party called her a traitor, but she got it done. And
as Chris put on his show at the time, she was a baller.
HAYES: Yes, she was a baller.
GILES: It was a wonderful, wonderful year culturally for black film.
GILES: Over 18 -- I think 18 at last count with black leads or
directed by African-Americans, including "12 Years a Slave," "Best Man
Holiday," "Go For Sisters," "Fruitvale Station," and "Black Nativity." And
it just gives me so much hope and I think it`s better for the world that
you see more diversity.
HAYES: I got to talk to the screenwriter from -- I got to talk to the
screenwriter and director from "Fruitvale Station" and screenwriter from
"12 Years a Slave" and "The Star," and I agree, it`s been an amazing year.
HAYES: All right, a lot of new faces on the political scene this
year, but we might -- there is one that might have a lock for rookie of the
year. And you want to stick around for that.
HAYES: We`re back with the first annual ALL IN All Awards Special.
Let`s get to our next award.
ANNOUNCER: It`s the 2013 ALL IN rookie of the year award.
HAYES: Rookie of the year, fresh face on the political scene cultural
Lizz Winstead, who gets your rookie of the year award?
WINSTEAD: Wendy Davis gets my rookie of the year award.
When you can command a bunch of slackers to all of a sudden turn to a
Ustream of the Texas ledge to watch a woman filibustering for 13 hours and
then have her go from a small state legislature to being within six points
of, you know, of the governor`s race, I`m excited for her.
HAYES: It was an amazing moment. Just watching it happen on Twitter,
then watching this kind of this momentum build around, the people that
covered it in the chamber, the momentum was building there and
reverberating off social media.
And it was -- it really was -- the last time I saw the announcement of
someone on the national stage in that kind of way was Barack Obama`s
convention speech in 2004.
HAYES: It`s the last time I could recall that someone just went from
on Tuesday people didn`t know who they were, on Wednesday, everyone was
like, oh, my word, who is this person? I think that`s a great, a great
All right, my award for rookie of the year goes to an incredible group
out of Florida called Dream Defenders. They`re doing amazing work in the
best tradition of nonviolent, peaceful, direct action and mobilization.
Here is the head of the Dream Defenders, Phillip Agnew. Take a
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PHILLIP AGNEW, DREAM DEFENDERS: I tell you how our mothers, sisters,
wives and daughters still earn less, have no control over their bodies and
are traded and trafficked like slaves.
And I can tell you how it`s easier for someone to buy a gun and put it
to their head than it is to diagnose the illness within it, but I only have
And if there was time, I would tell you that millions of young people
and queer people and poor people and people of color are asking, what do we
do with all of this anger, all this fear, this disappointment and
frustration, this mad that we feel? But, alas, I only have one minute.
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HAYES: That`s Phillip Agnew, who is really just an incredible,
incredibly profound, charismatic presence. We have had him on the show and
it has been my pleasure to have him.
And Dream Defenders -- I wish there was a Dream Defenders in every
state. There`s a lot of groups doing incredible stuff, but they are just
doing amazing, amazing work.
Josh Barro, rookie of the year.
BARRO: It`s Senator Ted Cruz.
HAYES: Wait, wait, wait, this Senator Ted Cruz?
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SEN. TED CRUZ (R), TEXAS: Sam I Am. That Sam I Am, that Sam I Am. I
do not like that Sam I Am. Do you like green eggs and ham? I do not like
them, Sam I Am. I do not like green eggs and ham.
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HAYES: So, that one?
BARRO: He`s so passionate while he`s reading, very earnest.
No, it`s -- you know, this freshman member of the Senate has managed
to so thoroughly jerk around Republican leadership in both houses of
Congress, drive his party into a strategy that they did not want to
implement, that they knew was a disaster, but they couldn`t figure out how
to control him.
And he -- you know, he engineered the government shutdown. I think,
though, while he has had an extremely impressive rookie season just in
terms of impact, I think finally he has so angered so many of his
BARRO: ... that John Boehner and Mitch McConnell have figured out
strategies to neutralize his power. I think he will be a lot less
important in 2014.
GILES: Unfortunately, I agree. And I`m embarrassed after seeing the
Dream Defenders, because they really did something.
HAYES: No, but I actually think Ted Cruz, from just the most sort of
notable, new political presence this year, I think it`s hard to argue.
GILES: In the weirdest, eeriest way, starting with he looks like Joe
McCarthy. Have you noticed?
WINSTEAD: No, he looks like Liberace. He looks like Liberace.
GILES: And he led the Republicans down the road of disaster with no
plan. There was no plan. He`s done nothing legislatively. He`s done
BARRO: There was a plan. The plan was to raise Ted Cruz`s national
profile, and it worked.
HAYES: And it worked perfectly.
GILES: Except it may now be biting him in the butt.
BARRO: Well, it depends what he wants. He won`t get to be president.
He will get to be an enormous figure within the conservative...
HAYES: And he can cash out on millions of dollars if he so chooses.
HAYES: Richard Kim.
KIM: So, my rookie of the year is 84-year-old Edie Windsor, who for
almost her entire life, led a very quiet, mostly nonpolitical life. She
met the love of her wife, Thea, right before Stonewall. She worked at IBM
as a programmer. She took care of Thea for 32 years. She had multiple
sclerosis. Her wife died two years after they got married.
And all this happens out of the limelight. And then all of a sudden,
here she is in this crusade for justice after her wife has died. And there
was this beautiful profile written about her by Ariel Levy in "The New
Yorker" that talked about her going on dates and looking for sex still and
putting on makeup.
And so, this story to me is about marriage, but it`s also about the
persistence of passion and justice and life after that. It`s just so
poignant and lovely to me, and I hope that, wherever she is, she`s having a
HAYES: Edie Windsor is a really remarkable human being. I have sort
of had the honor to meet her in person. And I completely agree.
And one other thing that`s amazing to note about her and listen to her
is that you realize that gay marriage existed before there was a name for
it and a law for it and a Constitution -- that, like, people loving each
other, being in committed relationships to each other is something that the
state doesn`t get a say in, right?
What the state gets a say in is, do you get the recognition and the
benefits and the right to equality, but the actual way people comport
themselves, the bonds that people form with each other, when you listen to
her oral history of that love, of that great, beautiful, mutually
supporting, cherished love between her and her now deceased wife, Thea,
it`s a reminder that this has been there. And it`s probably gone back
hundreds and thousands of years, that people have found each other and
fallen in love with each other and had gay marriages before anyone had a
name for it or the state could confer its legitimacy.
And now, finally, that is changing.
All right, big finish, the finale coming up. Stay with us as we pick
the best moments of 2013. That`s next.
HAYES: Earlier in the show, we asked you to give your best of 2013.
Peg from Facebook, who says: "What did the media overcover? What did
the media undercover? Miley Cyrus. Fukushima."
That is actually a pretty good answer.
Steven from Facebook says his rookie of the year is -- quote --
"Madison Kimrey, preteen North Carolina voting rights activist."
Best moments of 2013 Well, Carol from Facebook cheers: "My brother
getting health insurance for the first time in 25 years. Thank you,
everyone who helped make that happen."
HAYES: All right, we`re back with the first annual ALL IN All Awards
Special for the big finale.
All right, let`s get to our final award.
ANNOUNCER: It`s time for the ALL IN best moment of 2013.
Obviously, the best moment is subjective. There are lots of things to
choose from, so I will start with my choice.
The president announced that he thought it was necessary in the wake
of a chemical weapons attack that looked to be committed to be by Bashar
al-Assad in Syria against rebel forces, a horrific use of what appeared to
be sarin nerve gas on civilian, this has crossed an international red line
he had set, and that the U.S. had to strike back with some kind of military
He then called an audible and after making -- taking a walk with his
chief of staff, Denis McDonough, decided he was going to go to Congress.
This was his announcement, surprise announcement in the Rose Garden.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Having made my decision
as commander in chief based on what I am convinced is our national security
interests, I`m also mindful that I`m the president of the world`s oldest
I have long believed that our power is rooted not just in our military
might, but in our example as a government of the people, by the people and
for the people. And that`s why I have made a second decision. I will seek
authorization for the use of force from the American people`s
representatives in Congress.
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HAYES: It was an amazing moment, because presidents rarely do this,
particularly not for the kind of strike that he was considering ordering.
It was probably not the wise thing to do politically in some sense.
It showed weakness. He got criticized all over it -- that he was all over
the place, but it was an incredibly important, righteous, correct,
That also opened the door to a mass popular -- like, popular rebellion
against the idea that also opened the door to this amazing diplomatic
solution, in which we ended up not having to go to war in Syria, in which
the chemical weapons are being sort of inspected, although that`s messy.
And the Syrian -- the situation in Syria`s horrible, it is crushing,
it is disgusting what is happening to people there, but I continue to
believe American intervention would not have made it better. And that
moment when the president did the right thing, stood up, did the right
thing, that opened the door to us taking that path, and I thought it was an
BARRO: Well, my favorite moment was actually a series of moments we
had throughout the year with more and more states legalizing gay marriage,
in some cases through...
HAYES: We have got some photos of Utah. Keep talking.
So, in some cases, through legislative action, in some cases, through
the courts. But about every month or so, we got to have one of these
stories. And then whenever this happens, you get this surge of people
converging on city halls and county municipal buildings.
HAYES: Right there, I believe that`s Salt Lake City, and that was Boy
Scouts handing out pizza to gay folks online waiting to get marriage
licenses after a federal judge declared that state`s marriage ban
BARRO: And there`s just like this pent-up happiness coming out,
people who were waiting a long time to do this and who are having these
wonderful moments in these drab surroundings. I think it`s this actually
kind of cool juxtaposition.
And it`s really all over the place. Nine states legalized gay
marriage this year, which is as many as had legal gay marriage when we
started the year. So it`s amazing the pace we have had. And then you also
had United Kingdom. You had a variety of other countries. This thing is
accelerating like crazy.
HAYES: On the March.
HAYES: Nancy Giles.
GILES: Well, actually, my best moment came out of a really awful
moment, and that was when George Zimmerman was acquitted in the Trayvon
It brought attention to a case of a lady named Marissa Alexander, who
was in Jacksonville, Florida, and she was serving a 20-year prison sentence
for shooting a warning shot at an abusive husband. She was claiming that
she was standing her ground, and she was sentenced to 20 years in prison by
that same DA that was at the head of the Trayvon Martin case. And she`s
getting a new trial.
HAYES: Yes, Marissa Alexander, really an outrageous case.
GILES: It was crazy.
HAYES: It was a woman who was clearly a survivor of domestic violence
in an argument with her abuser.
HAYES: Fires a warning shot up into the air. No one was hurt.
GILES: That didn`t hurt anyone.
HAYES: She was -- she tried to use stand your ground defense. She
was convicted within a matter of hours.
HAYES: She was sentenced to 20 years, which was the mandatory
minimum. The judge has now overturned that conviction. She is going to
get a new trial because the jury was not instructed properly on her self-
WINSTEAD: I was really happy to hear that.
HAYES: And it`s really amazing. And there`s a lot of fund-raising
and activism around Marissa Alexander`s case. If you go to @prisonculture
Twitter feed, that`s one place you can find a lot information about Marissa
And it`s an opportunity for an injustice to be righted.
HAYES: There`s going to be a new trial and we`re going to see what`s
going to happen. We`re going to watch very carefully.
KIM: So, I know this is totally a cliche on my part, but the primary
victory of Bill de Blasio.
And just from a sheer political narrative level, this was a guy who
was in single digits for most of the campaign. Chris Quinn had locked up
the party establishment, the party money. And in the time frame of a
month, he totally turns this around. He wins by a 40 percent margin.
HAYES: Incredible, partly because of Anthony Weiner`s self-
destruction. Here he is on primary night. Take a listen.
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BILL DE BLASIO (D), NEW YORK MAYOR-ELECT: The challenges we face have
been decades in the making, and the problems we set out to address will not
be solved overnight. But make no mistake, the people of this city have
chosen a progressive path.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HAYES: Bill de Blasio ran explicitly to the left, and people thought
that was crazy, and it resonated in the city of New York, and people say,
well, that`s not particularly applicable, because New York is a place that
goes for Barack Obama by 80 percent in presidential elections.
But it had been a while. It`s been a while.
KIM: They have had Republican mayors since like forever, you know?
WINSTEAD: Beyond 20 years.
KIM: And the fact that it was the right message that struck with the
public mood, and the fact that it was his multicultural family also that
gave him that really key necessary assist is also really...
HAYES: One of the greatest political ads of all time.
Your moment of the year.
WINSTEAD: My moment of the year kind of dovetails off Wendy Davis,
and it was that moment when these peaceful activists were just raising
their voices as the clock was running out -- I`m about to start crying --
And they couldn`t hear when they had passed, and it passed at
midnight, and the law didn`t pass. And it was just a testament to women
and men and supporting this cause. And I just was so moved by it, that
it`s inspired like a whole legion of people to take on the reproductive
HAYES: Everyone should take a listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If we can have order in the chamber, so that the
members could properly cast a vote.
(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HAYES: Really amazing moment at the end of that in which they
basically tried to ramrod her, and they basically said, oh, you violated
all these rules. It`s over. We`re passing it.
And they were wrong, by the way. The chair was wrong. But people
sort of rebelled, and that was the end of that. And, of course, they ended
up passing it in the next session, which is just a lesson about persistence
that Edie Windsor can teach us.
I want thanks to Josh Barro, politics editor "Business Insider," Nancy
Giles, contributor for "CBS Sunday Morning," Richard Kim, executive editor
of TheNation.com, Lizz Winstead, comedian, co-creator of "The Daily Show."
That is ALL IN for this evening.
Please, have a wonderful, merry Christmas, or war on Christmas,
whichever you choose to celebrate.
HAYES: Definitely be sure to tune in on Thursday night. We have got
a great show lined up for that night. You are going to want to check it
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