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January 8, 2014

Guests: Steny Hoyer, John Garamendi, Gordon Johnson, Zerlina Maxwell, Christopher Murphy

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to the Ed Show
live from New York. Let`s get to work.


JOHN BOEHNER, (R) OHIO HOUSE SPEAKER: And all during the break, I kept
hearing from people that they wanted us to focus on the economy.

the session of Congress be known as the session which declared all-out war
on human poverty and unemployment in these United States.

SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL, (R) KENTUCKY: And it`s only when you believe
government is the answer to all of your problems that you talk about
unemployment insurance instead of job creation.

government is not the solution to our problem. The government is the

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So as far as unemployment and job prospects.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You talk about job creation, you talk about

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s important, you know, we keep the big picture in

insurance? It is paying people not to work.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know the president and now their Democratic leaders
would like to create the impression that we are cold hearted and unfeeling
towards the plight of American workers.

LIMBAUGH: Let`s change the term. Let`s get rid of unemployment insurance
and let`s call it "paying people not to work."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you pay people too generously that it actually
discourages some people from actively seeking employment.

BOEHNER: So we`re all concerned about those who have had a difficult time
in trying to find a job.


SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight, folks. Thanks for watching.
There are new developments tonight in New Jersey with the Bridgegate
controversy with Governor Chris Christie who has responded within the last
hour. We`ll have that for you later on in this program with commentary and
of course all the details.

But -- if my judgment, it`s not the biggest story in this country right
now. I think that this guy could be presidential material, but not

The top material is still 1.3 million people who are being thrown under the
bus by the Republican ideology.

It`s not just elected officials who believe in a certain way, it is
collectively what they believe in. They just don`t believe that government
has a role in anything. Healthcare, education, jobs, forget it, everybody
is on your own.

Republican Party, I think this ideology is catching up with them. They`re
playing some serious defense to stay.

Republicans know blocking an unemployment insurance extension not popular
with the American people. Well, actually it is. That`s what they say in
Caucus. "We`ll get by. We`ll be OK. Let`s just stick with our ideology."
Not the case.

Fifty-five percent of Americans say that they want an unemployment
extension. Only 34 percent of Americans say that they want this whole
thing to end or think like Rush.

Republicans know that they are losing the battle, so here comes the
playbook to stop all the bleeding.

The House Republican Congress conference put out a coaching memo for
members so they know how to talk about unemployment. Let`s see, they got a
pattern of doing this.

We`ve had a playbook on how to talk about -- to women. We`ve had a
playbook on how to talk about immigration reform. Now, we got a playbook
from the Republicans on just how to be kind of compassionate when it comes
to unemployment benefits. It tells Republicans to address job loss as a
personal crisis for the person in their family. How touching.

The memo also pushes the bogus points saying, "Washington has lost its
priorities. If it`s more focused on making unemployment easier to tolerate
than it is getting people back to work and restoring independence all

Independence. This is what it`s all about. Independence. Giving people
an opportunity to access something that they have paid into their entire
career and dip into it when they fall into hard time.

That crosses the line with the Righties.

Finally, the playbook says, "If the Democrats can produce a fiscally
responsible plan, the House is going to consider it." How nice is Boehner.

Here`s the bottom line, I think the worm is starting to turn. This memo
proves that the Republicans are running scared and they are very defensive.
They really don`t know how to handle this.

They know public opinion is against them. Republicans also know a number
of Republicans are starting to say, "Hey, I went home and heard some stuff
I`m not used to hearing. I`m kind of not with you." One of them is
Republican Senator Dean Heller of Nevada. He`s the co-sponsor of the
Senate unemployment bill.

In an interview on Tuesday, Heller sounded a heck of a lot more like a
Democrat than a Republican when asked about unemployment.


SEN. DEAN HELLER, (R) NEVADA: Don`t get me wrong. I think this thing
ought to be paid for. But minus (ph) to pay for it, I don`t know, I`m
going to support this legislation anyway because true, I think it`s the
right thing to do.

And what I would encourage to some of my colleagues to get outside the
beltway, go home and talk to some of these people that need this
unemployment insurance, and keep in mind these are people that are actively
looking for a job. These are hardworking Americans that need this help and
they are looking for a job, let`s make sure they can stay in their home,
let`s make sure that they can put food on the table for their children.


SCHULTZ: Let me clear up my ear on that one. Did I hear that right?
That`s some coaching for you right there.

The senator from Nevada says that he would encourage his colleagues to get
out of the beltway and go home and listen to some of their constituents
because they are hardworking Americans.

Gosh, he sounded like a Democrat. Well, he`s not. He`s a Conservative who
knows what`s at stake.

Five other Republicans voted along with Heller for a three-month extension.
But wait a minute. Today, three of these senators said that they want to
cut some stuff to offset the cost of all of it.

These Republicans need to forget the bogus Republican memo and take a page
out of Senator Heller`s playbook and cut to the chase.

All of them need to go to the Senate floor. And it`s going to be
interesting to see if these colleagues do go to the Senate floor to talk
about helping unemployed Americans.

I want to hear the audio, Senator Coats. I want to hear the audio, Mr.
Portman, former Bush Administration official. I think he had something to
do with the budget pack then, didn`t you?

Yeah, I want to hear these folks go to the floor and make the case. They
won`t do it. Don`t bank on it, folks.

It`s a lot easier just to cast a vote. But when you got to standup and
talk about it and talk with conviction like you really want to vote this
way and you really want your colleagues to vote this way, it`s a little
different world, isn`t it?

These senators need to put the pressure on John Boehner and bring Heller`s
extension up for a vote. If Boehner never brings this up, this is all
nothing but a big waste of time, isn`t it?

And Boehner`s got to be sitting over there saying, "Jeez, they`re putting
it all on me. Don`t put it all on me, you guys got to hold the line over
there in the Senate. We got to be a team on this deal." Of course that`s
what he`s saying.

The senators need to throw this number in Boehner`s face everyday.

Sixty-three percent of the people in his own backyard, in his district
think that there should be an unemployment extension. Only 34 percent say,
"No. Throw them under the bus."

John Boehner is a major obstacle right now in the unemployment extension
effort but I`m not convinced that he is the only obstacle.

I`ve told you all along in this program, you can`t trust the Republicans.
There were six Republicans who voted yesterday for a closure to end the
debate and move forward, but when it comes a time for them to standup, when
it comes a time for them to cut a deal, they want more cuts. They`re just
like the rest of the crowd.

The good news is the Republicans are on defense. They feel compelled that
they have to come up with special talking points to explain their position.

Here`s the position they`re in. They can`t fake empathy. Humans can`t
fake empathy. You either care about something or you don`t. And let me
emphatically state the Republicans have a track record of not caring about
health care, 40 million Americans without health insurance. They have a
track record of not caring about workers and wages and collective
bargaining and unions. They have a track record of not caring about public
education because we spend way too much money on that.

And now they`ve got a track record of saying what we`re really not that
concerned about unemployment. That`s President Obama`s fault because he
hasn`t figured out this economy. I say Liberals don`t let them off the

This is worth fighting for. This is a story that will not go away. We
cannot let this story go away because it will expose exactly who they in
(ph) and it will continue to put them on the defensive all the way to the

Get your cellphones out, I want to know what you think tonight`s question.
Do you think unemployment insurance is a disincentive to get a job?

Text A for Yes, text B for No to 67622. You can always go to our blog at and leave a comment there. We`ll bring you the results later
on in the show.

You know, I find it very interesting that the audio that`s coming from the
Republicans in the Senate and over in the House when it comes to
unemployment. It`s a heck of a lot different from the audio that we heard
from the unemployed person Mrs. Hackett yesterday who was on this program
talking about what it`s like to put gas in your car, or heat your house, or
wear a coat in your home so you can turn down the thermostat.

And I think the president was spot on when he suggested that maybe some of
the lawmakers ought to give up their checks and go without and see what its

One of those lawmakers did just that with the homeless. We`ll have that
later on in this program.

For more, let me bring in Congressman Steny Hoyer of Maryland who serves as
the House Minority Whip. Congressman, good to have you with us tonight.

REP. STENY HOYER, (D) MARYLAND: Hi, Ed, good to be with you as always.

SCHULTZ: You bet. OK. It doesn`t seem like it`s going to come all down
to Boehner. It seems like there these six senators who are starting to
balk. They want cuts too. Where are we at this hour as you see it?

HOYER: Well, look Senator Reid has said, they wanted to do a 90-day
extension while we talk about what can be done on a longer term. Ninety
days to make sure that these 1.4 million people of which 20,000 are
veterans who are without their unemployment check.

Ninety days unpaid for as it`s historically been the case. Why? Because
it`s an emergency. Why? Because stimulating on the one hand and
depressing on the other. The economy doesn`t make sense but we`ll talk
about that.

But right now, we need to pass immediately an extension where we`ll get
these 1.4 million people with some sustenance so they can support
themselves and their family.

SCHULTZ: Congressman, does .

HOYER: It`s a huge emergency.

SCHULTZ: . does the number of 63 percent of people in John Boehner`s
district, is that just -- is he tone deaf to this?

HOYER: I can`t speak for what he`s thoughts are on that but it`s not
surprising. And frankly, that`s lower than I think it is naturally but
never the less a majority of people in his district, the majority of people
in America, the majority of people in my state and district believe that
this unemployment insurance ought to be extended. They know how hard it is
to find a job. They know that there are three people looking for a job
when there`s only one job available for them. And so they know the adverse
consequences to real people that this has caused .


HOYER: . and the agony and pain that`s causing. So they want to see how
to get this done. I hope the Republicans will listen.

And by the way, you know, just talking nicely, empathizing with people is
not enough.


HOYER: You got to do something.


HOYER: Talk is not enough.

SCHULTZ: Are the Democrats willing to do something budgetarily to make
this happen? Where would you find cuts? Are you looking at any cuts to
play ball with Boehner on this?

HOYER: Look, what we`ve said if the Republicans want cuts, they ought to
come up with some cuts and tell us what they are.


HOYER: And we will consider them.

But the fact to the matter is, what Reid is saying and I absolutely agree
with the Majority Leader when he says, "Look. We`ve got to get this done
now." You saw Murray and Ryan during the budget process talking about
offsets and how difficult it was to find offsets. It`s tough to find
offsets. And particularly when we`ve already reduced by over $1 trillion
over the next 10 years, expenditures, we`ve cut the budget.


HOYER: So what we really need to do now is have a -- an immediate action
to stop the hemorrhaging, stop this emergency that is occurring just days
after Christmas .


HOYER: . and days after a celebration of giving and caring. We cut off
unemployment insurance. So I`m very supportive of what Reid is suggesting.
Do it now. Do it for 90 days. And then, yes, let`s talk about a permanent
way that we can get this done.

Historically, as you know, Ed, we`ve almost always done this out on an
emergency basis .

SCHULTZ: Without offsets?

HOYER: . under Republican presidents .


HOYER: . and Democratic presidents without offsets.

SCHULTZ: All right. I want to play a clip from Senator Marco Rubio
talking about the minimum wage today.

Now, this is something that the Democrats -- I know that you want to bring
this forward to make it a big issue addressed income inequality, we got
half the wage earners in this country making under $11 an hour. That`s
according to Alan Grayson, what he has told me.

So if minimum wage is going to be a big issue for the Democrats, this is
what you`re up against. This is Senator Marco Rubio.


SEN. MARCO RUBIO, (R) FLORIDA: Really? This is their solution? To what
the president has called the defining issue of our time? Raising the
minimum wage may poll well but having a job that pays $10 an hour is not
the American Dream.


SCHULTZ: The fact is workers don`t make $10 an hour right now. I don`t
even know if Mr. Rubio knows what the federal minimum wage is but that`s
the mindset you`re facing right now.

HOYER: You know, it`s really sad. Of course, that`s not the American
dream. The American dream is to do much better than that, to have a good
life not just as survival life. That`s not what America is about.

But the minimum wage ought to be the absolute minimum that we expect people
to pay, to have people work for a living to make sure that we give them
incentives but much more importantly than that we give them the opportunity
to earn a wage that they can survive on in the richest country on the face
of the earth.

That`s the issue and apparently Senator Rubio doesn`t get that. 10 is a
minimum. It`s not a ceiling. It`s not the maximum. It`s not what we want
people to aspire to but it is what we ought to do as a country to make sure
that there`s a minimum.

Ed, as you may know in 1968, in 2013 dollars the minimum wage today would
be $10.60 cents.


HOYER: If you ever take a couple of cents.

SCHULTZ: Although the wage earners are way behind. But I find, Senator --
I find Senator Rubio`s comment very interesting.

He admits that the people what they think doesn`t matter. I mean if poll
is well that means that`s what the people want. But what the people want
doesn`t matter to the Republican Party.

I mean he indicts his philosophy in his operational process right there in
front of the microphone. I just think that it polls well because that`s
what the people want, OK?

And they`re not willing to give what the people want just like the
unemployment insurance is exactly what the people want. But the final
point here, Congressman, do you believe that if it were brought to the
floor in the House that the unemployment insurance would pass?

HOYER: Yes. I do.


HOYER: I don`t think there`d be a Democrat that would vote against it.
And I think that there would be certainly enough Republicans, we only need
another 18 Republicans to pass it. Certainly there are 18 Republicans who
have the kind of .


HOYER: . compassion that is necessary to backup the talk that they`re
instructed to be and the empathy that they`re ask to display they ought to
vote that .


HOYER: . empathy and that talk.

SCHULTZ: Steny Hoyer, great to have you with us, Congressman. Thank you
so much.

HOYER: Thanks, Ed.

SCHULTZ: Keep up the fight. Thank you, sir.

Remember to answer tonight`s question there at the bottom of the screen.
Share your thought with us on Twitter at Ed Show and on Facebook. Always
want to know what you think.

Coming up, admitting the problem is half the battle. Republicans talk
about actually acknowledging. We have a poverty problem in America. Plus,
Governor Chris Christie as we said at the top, well is he on a bridge over
troubled waters? Great traffic issue with New Jersey, new development,
stay with us we`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. 50 years ago, President Lyndon
Johnson declared an unconditional war on poverty in America. The
Republican Party is still trying to decide whether poverty is a real
problem today.


BOEHNER: When you look at the issue or poverty, obviously a lot of facets
to it. But the one solution that we all know that works is a job.


SCHULTZ: Yeah, lots of facets to it. No doubt about it. The battle over
unemployment benefits and the minimum has ignited a broader debate over
whether the GOP should roll out a new agenda to address mounting concerns
over the growing gap between the wealthy and the poor in this country.

The growing gap is something that we of course have been addressing on the
Ed Show for a long time. There it is, it won`t go away, the old Vulture
Chart which plainly illustrates the gap widening. The most up to date
statistics from the Labor Department only go through 2009. I can`t wait to
see the next chart they put out.

Republicans don`t have any ideas on how to deal with the sluggish labor
market and shrinking wages in this country. The only ideas that GOP has
presented are about disabling the government instead of improving it.

Take the procedural measure and a vote to extend unemployment insurance for
three months for example. Only six Republicans voted with Democrats on the
measure. Republicans who voted against it are only concerned over how to
pay for it.


MCCONNELL: Remember these are the same folks who gave us the stimulus, who
gave us tax increases who gave us ObamaCare. All of it was done in the
name of helping the little guy in the name of greater equality. So what
they`d given us? It`s given us this mess.


SCHULTZ: Well, doesn`t the little guy need a job right now, Senator
McConnell. Whatever happened to that Republican philosophy that if you
create jobs and increase the tax pays it will really replenish the
treasury? I guess that`s out the window these days. They won`t come up
with the jobs package.

It seems the Republicans are trying to avoid letting debate, getting
shifted away from ObamaCare rather than addressing real economic issues
which would help struggling Americans like the minimum wage hike and the
unemployment extension.

These are real impacts on the economy. If they care they`ll do something
about it. But caring is not what they`re all about.

Congressman John Garamendi of California joins us tonight. Congressman,
good to have you with us.

REP. JOHN GARAMENDI, D-CALIFORNIA: Always good to be with you, Ed.

SCHULTZ: Why is it so difficult for Republicans to talk about
homelessness, poverty and income inequality?

GARAMENDI: I really don`t know. It would seen to me that any human .being
that has compassion for their fellow human being would be addressing this
very, very set of issues, homelessness, poverty in America, children,
education, all of those things are out there. And we need to deal with
them and we can. We`ve done it in the past when Johnson started in 1964,
50 years ago.

On this day, he declared a war on poverty. And we`ve been at it all this
time, we`ve made a lot of progress but boy we have more to do right now.

SCHULTZ: There`s no doubt but there are fewer poor people in America today
than they were back when this war started in this focus on poverty back in
the 60`s. No question about.

But in contemporary time, we`ve had wars that we haven`t paid for, we`ve
had Medicare party (ph) which we didn`t pay for, we`ve had tax cuts for the
wealthiest that didn`t increase the tax pays. I mean there`s been a few
things that have happened that have hurt the war on the poor.

Conservatives never seem to explain how they would help the poor. Are we
doing the right things, Congressman?

GARAMENDI: No. No, we`re clearly not there. The minimum wage issue, we
just discussed that with Mr. Hoyer and clearly the minimum wage needs to be
increased when Reagan was governor in the state of California. It was like
$7 and today is -- that was equal to $10.25 today. We`re not even close to
that. We`re $7.25 here at the national level. That`s one issue. But we
can go beyond that.

The President two year ago, proposed a jobs program for America and it had
many different pieces to it. It had a very powerful infrastructure piece
that would -- which we need. We need to build that foundation, the roads,
the squatter systems and the like.

Nothing has happened here in the .


GARAMENDI: . Congress on that because the House of Representatives
controlled by the Republicans refused to deal with it. He talked about
education, talked about research.

The only thing that`s happened is the Republicans have downsized all of
those critical ingredients of economic growth and of jobs.

SCHULTZ: Congressman Garamendi, what does it say that the Republicans have
put together somewhat of what a coaching playbook for their members to go
out and explain how they view unemployment that is it called "personal
crisis" for that worker and the family. What is that signal? Are they on
the defensive? Is the worm turning?

GARAMENDI: Well clearly they`re on the defensive here. The American
public, those men and women that are unemployed and those mothers and
fathers whose children cannot get a job, they`re concern and they want
action. They want action at the federal level. And they are not getting
it from the Republican Congress.

You cannot fake empathy. You either have it and you show it in what you
do. It`s not what you say. It`s what you do. And in this case, Republican
Congress is not doing the things that will deal with the problems of
unemployment. It`s a very serious issue.

But, Ed, keep in mind that in the previous 10 years before 2008, 2009 when
the new administration came in, nearly 3 million jobs were lost.


GARAMENDI: In the last years, we have seen nearly eight million jobs
created. We`ve done a lot, but we need to more.

SCHULTZ: With no Republican help.

GARAMENDI: None at all.

SCHULTZ: Congressman John Garamendi, good to have you with us tonight.
Thank you, John.

GARAMENDI: Always good to be with you, Ed.

SCHULTZ: Appreciate it. You bet.

Coming up, the New Jersey Bridgegate controversy, it`s building. Kind of
choppy water underneath that bridge, don`t you think? Well, we`ll find
out. More information ahead.

Plus, Televangelist turned meteorologist, Pat Robertson, had some ideas for
what`s behind these recent freezing temperatures. And we`re seeing he
lands in Pretenders tonight. But I`m taking your questions next. Ask Ed
Live coming up on the Ed Show on MSNBC. Stay with us.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Love this segment. Love your
questions. Thanks for bringing it to us on our Ask Ed Live segment.

First question comes in from Vicky tonight. What is your opinion of Bill
Gates` new book?

Well, the Former Secretary of Defense is quite a talking point right now in
a conversation piece on all the media because he wrote a book in some parts
of it I understand that some of it is not very complementary on the
president of the United States.

First of all, anybody who is appointed by President George W. Bush, you
take with a grain of salt, well actually a block of salt, OK? I don`t know
how you feel about it folks but I voted for President Obama and supported
him because I wanted him to get us out of wars, not in to any of them. And
that`s exactly what he`s done.

Our next question is from Carmen. Carmen wants to know, "What is your
favorite food and drink during a winter storm?"

Well, actually during a winter storm back at the lake, I was just at the
treadmill and just let her have it. Just wanted to see how that sounded.

Actually, I haven`t said no to too much food as of late, but I do like
chicken and rice when there`s a storm going on outside and a little bit of
chilly and whatever else my wife puts in front of me.

Stick around, Rapid Response Panel is next.

MORGAN BRENNAN, CNBC ANCHOR: Morgan Brennan with your CNBC Market Wrap.
The Dow is at 68 points, the S and P falls a fraction and the NASDAQ is up

Investors took a little comfort in minutes from the Federal Reserve`s
December meeting. It showed Fed policy makers were confident the economy
was improving enough to scale back stimulus.

Meanwhile, payroll process or ADP said business is hired 238,000 workers
last month, more than expect. The report comes two days before the
government closely watched jobs data.

That`s it from CNBC, first in business worldwide.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. There`s a blockbuster development
and the story we told you about weeks ago. Two lanes from Fort Lee New
Jersey under the George Washington bridge were shutdown prior to Chris
Christie`s reelection in a case of alleged political get back.

To Christie loyalist at the Fort authority allegedly shutdown the lanes to
punish the Fort Lee mayor for not endorsing Christie. Now, the bombshell
more developments.

This morning, the Bergen County Record published e-mails between Christie`s
Deputy Chief of Staff Bridget Kelly and David Wildstein, a Christie
appointee at the Port Authority.

In the e-mail, Kelly writes, "Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee,"
Wildstein`s response, "Got it."

This makes it harder for the Christie administration to deny this was a
case of petty political misconduct that has stopped Christie from trying to
distance himself.

He released a statement late this afternoon saying, "I am outraged and
deeply saddened to learn that not only was I misled by a member of my
staff, but this completely inappropriate and unsanctioned conduct was made
without my knowledge. One thing is clear, this type of behavior is
unacceptable and I will not tolerate it because the people of New Jersey
deserve better. This behavior is not representative of me or my
administration in anyway, and people will be held responsible for their

For more on this tonight, I`m joined with our Rapid Response Panel, theGrio
contributor in New Jersey resident Zerlina Maxwell and also New Jersey
State Assemblyman Gordon Johnson whose district includes Fort Lee, the town
affected by bridge closures.

Mr. Johnson, you first tonight, what`s your response to what the governor
has said in his statement this afternoon?

GORDON JOHNSON (D) NEW JERSEY ASSEMBLYMAN: I find it extremely hard to
believe that a deputy chief of staff sitting in the front office would
initiate an action like this without him knowing about it.

Yeah, but we have no proof that he actually directed the -- anyone to do
this, however, I just find it hard to believe. With the way he runs his
office, a very tight office he runs, that a -- that Ms. Kelly would take
this initiative without seeking or without taking -- or at least telling
him that this is going to happen.

SCHULTZ: The first time that Governor Christie was asked about is in front
of the media, this was his reaction. He distanced himself with it by
making a joke of it in light of what was going on. Here it is.


GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE, (R) NEW JERSEY: I worked the cones actually on that.
Unbeknownst to everybody, I was actually the guy out there. I was in
overalls and a hat. So, I wasn`t -- what I actually was the guy working
the cones out there. You really are not serious with that question. What


SCHULTZ: What is the question tonight Mr. Johnson?

JOHNSON: Well, maybe what he said in that clip there was true. Maybe he
was there working the cones. Apparently, it came out of his office. So,
as you know, we have a meeting tomorrow. It was some folks coming in on a
subpoena. I am positive that as we`re going to our next session that the
trustees committee will receive the authority to -- subpoena authority to
contain this investigation under John Wisniewski.

So, let`s see where to takes us for now. We know now that this came out of
the governor`s office from a deputy chief of staff in his office. So, and
I would -- I hope that John Wisniewski brings Ms. Kelly under subpoena so
we can get more information out of her when the time is -- when they have
the time to do that.

SCHULTZ: Zerlina, I find it very interesting the response from the Port
Authority, "Got it."


SCHULTZ: Almost as if I`ve had other orders in the past. I mean, I just
think that response is very defining, "Got it." Your response to that?

MAXWELL: Right. Which is simply because the person who wrote that e-mail
is someone who has known Chris Christie since he was in high school?

And so, I think that this is -- it`s a part of a pattern here. I think
what`s telling to me about his response to this particular scandal is that
he was very nonchalant. Normally, he`s pounding his fist on the podium and
outraged by misconduct.

With this, he was very tempered and that was actually a clue to -- that
there`s something more there. So, we know that he was -- was not lying or
we actually we don`t know if he was or was not lying. But, earlier today,
before his statement, I would say, lying or clueless. Now, it seems
clueless but it`s somebody directly in his office.

SCHULTZ: He said in his statement, Zerlina, that he was misled.


SCHULTZ: How do you read that?

MAXWELL: That just sounds like they`re throwing Bridget Kelly under the
bus for real and I think that this makes him completely unfit for office
because you need to be able to -- as president of the United States and
commander in chief be able to appoint people that you can trust and who are
loyal to you but not to a point where they`re going to seek political
retribution on your enemy.

SCHULTZ: I`m curious about when he was misled, Mr. Johnson, was it before
he made that statement to the media about joking around about being the
flag man out there or working the cones or whatever, when was he misled? I
mean, there`s just a domino effect in the story.

JOHNSON: I can`t answer that. I don`t know when he says, you know, he
said he was misled.

We`ve had -- the minute, you know, we had the Baroni, we had Wildstein come
before us, the trustees committee, with this fabricated story about a
traffic study and a fabricated story about special lanes for Fort Lee
residents that doesn`t exist in this cover up. And now, we find that this
actually initiated in the governor`s office. So, I`m not quite sure what
he`s referring to when he said he was misled.

SCHULTZ: OK. The mayor of Fort Lee has been on record recently saying
that he is concerned about possible retribution once the story goes away.
How does that rest with you?

JOHNSON: Well, I would be concerned if I were Mayor Sokolich. I mean, he
depends on -- or the Fort Lee depends on the Port Authority for funding. I
believe they get funding for snow plowing and they buy certain equipment to
assist his borough and their expenses. I know that he`s looking for grant
out of Department of Transportation which is under the governor`s purview.

So, yes, it is -- I would be concerned if I were Mayor Sokolich.

SCHULTZ: Could this, Zerlina, turn into a criminal investigation?

MAXWELL: I think so. I mean, Loretta Weinberg today said that we`re going
to see if criminal charges are possible and certainly subpoenas for Chris
Christie`s e-mails specifically could come in the future because that
hasn`t happened yet and we don`t know whether he knew or not because we
haven`t seen his personal correspondent.

SCHULTZ: What`s his best political play right now? I mean, he has come
out and totally exonerated himself in this statement tonight claiming that
he was misled, claiming that this is not him, this is not his
administration. Well, apparently, it is because one of the response was
"Got it."


SCHULTZ: You mean to tell me that`s the first time that guy (ph) have ever
been given an order.

MAXWELL: Absolutely. Right.

JOHNSON: Right, right.

MAXWELL: So the e-mail exchanges read us this is something that happens
all the time, right? So, they even listed another mayor who hadn`t
endorsed him for his gubernatorial reelection campaign and he said, "Oh, he
is on the list with this other person, this other mayor that is also our

So this is part for the course for them. I think for him, he needs to just
put everything on the table. He needs to release everything. He can`t
lie, that you don`t want to continue this supposed cover up any further.

SCHULTZ: Mr. Johnson, doesn`t this parallel -- this story parallel his
actions the way he has bullied people in Town Hall meetings? The way he
went to Iowa and said you better vote for this guy on or give me the Jersey
treatment. I`m paraphrasing that right now.

But, I mean, there is a -- this persona and this bravado .


SCHULTZ: . about this governor and when somebody e-mails back and says
"got it" .


SCHULTZ: . they know what`s it all about.

JOHNSON: Well, you know, this persona is that of being belligerent,
feudalistic, and also that of being dismissive. We all know that that`s
the persona he`s put out there.

So -- and that`s why I have such a hard time believing that this young
lady, this deputy chief of staff would so something without his permission.
I mean, we know his personality that he`s put out there, his reputation.
So -- and that he`s created. So now, it`s -- you can`t just reverse that


SCHULTZ: Your thoughts on a possible criminal investigation. There are
two employees who have resigned that have lawyered (ph) up.

JOHNSON: I believe that as we go further and as we get more facts out of
the trustees committee on the subpoena powers, I think there`s a very good
chance you`ll see a criminal investigation. And we don`t let sort of
(inaudible) of course -- we don`t do not. Of course that`s done under the
executive branch but we could sure request one.

SCHULTZ: So, no one`s been fired for this? I mean, just a statement has
been released today. Do you want to hear from Bridget Kelly?

JOHNSON: I do want to hear from Bridget Kelly and the subpoena.
Dismissing people doesn`t get you the answers you need. OK. I want the

The people of the Fort Lee and those working class people who couldn`t get
to work that day, all those days because of the four-hour back up, need to
know what is going on and why they couldn`t get to work, and why couldn`t
the police and fired him as a respond to the calls that they had because of
the traffic chaos created in the Borough of Fort Lee.

SCHULTZ: This is rather arrogant. You can`t help but wonder if this is
the way it operates if you were to get more powers, Zerlina, what it would
really be like?

MAXWELL: It`s terrifying. I think this completely makes him unfit for
higher office. As commander-in-chief, you`re in charge of the nuclear
launch codes. You can`t have instances of political retribution.

SCHULTZ: Zerlina Maxwell, Gordon Johnson, good to have you with us tonight
on the Ed Show. Thank you so much.

Coming up, a senator walks in a humblest man shoes. Senator Chris Murphy
joins us when we come back. Stay with us.


SCHULTZ: And in Pretenders tonight, out of this world, Pat Robertson. The
Televangelist turned climatologist says the temperature swings across the
nation have nothing to do with manmade climate change. Mr. Robertson`s
logic falls too short of a Jetsons Episode.


isn`t getting warmer. In fact, it`s because of the sun. The sun is now
showing signs that we`re headed for something very, very different. It`s
getting warmer, you know, in Jupiter and they don`t have any SUVs driving
around in Jupiter. I mean it`s -- it has nothing to do with greenhouse
gases, it has to do with the action of the sun.


SCHULTZ: Wants to quote a radio newscast from Jupiter the other day or
something to come up with that one.

Robertson`s attempt to bash climate science is so far reaching. He uses a
planet 400 million miles away as evidence? Jupiter sub 200 degree
temperatures in hydrogen surface aren`t fit for comparison to the Earth`s
climate. I think Mrs. Harper (ph) in my fourth grade class said something
about that a way back when.

Jupiter maybe a planet made of gas, but if Pat Robertson thinks people will
believe his hot air, he can keep on pretending.


SCHULTZ: Time now for the Trenders, social media nation at it for the Ed
Show, thank you so much.

Here is where you can find us, be a part of it,,, and On the radio Monday through Friday
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The Ed social media nation has decided, we are reporting. Here are today`s
top Trenders voted on by you.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are going to talk about hell.

SCHULTZ: The number three Trender, hell has frozen over.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Heck, yeah, it`s cold in Hell, Michigan.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Burning, searing, flames.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Located about 15 miles Northwest of Ann Arbor,
Michigan, the rural community has like most of the region been hit freezing

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This a temperature a mere minus four.

SCHULTZ: The polar vortex freezes a hot Michigan town.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s cold, its town.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Maybe hell to a lot of people, but to me, it`s

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m disappointed. It freezes over and the Lions still
don`t win the Super Bowl.

SCHULTZ: The number two Trender, meltdown.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: On Twitter, they`re calling it a potato cheese

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Creamy, salty, sweet and OK nuttiness.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Adage report shortages of Velveeta on the East coast.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They ate queso.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m not so sure this is a real shortage.

SCHULTZ: Consumers say a Velveeta shortage is no good.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your nachos could be in jeopardy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: With the upcoming Super Bowl some worry this Velveeta
shortage could spread.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They`re trying to fix it in the next few weeks. The
chances of them actually running out of cheese before the biggest dipping
day of the year, seems a little far at that.

SCHULTZ: And today`s top Trender, a mile in their shoes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut shrouded (ph) a
homeless man to experience the real world challenges of getting back on
your feet when you`re down on your left.

SCHULTZ: Senator Chris Murphy spends the day with the homeless.

SEN. CHRIS MURPHY, (D) CONNECTICUT: When you cut off unemployment benefits
you essentially make homeless tens of thousands of people all across the

SCHULTZ: 4.9 million people could lose their unemployment insurance by the
end of 2014.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The longer they`re unemployed, the less like they are
ever to get a job again.

MURPHY: The methodology that`s been perpetuated by some of my colleagues
in the Senate that jobless benefits encourage people to stay out of work or
encourage people to stay out on the streets is just flat wrong.


SCHULTZ: Joining us tonight Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut. Senator,
good to have you with us tonight. I want to commend you for doing what you
did. Walking with the homeless, walking a mile in their shoes and seeing a
life that no one wants, that is for sure. What did you learn, Senator?

MURPHY: I learned that it`s just an absolutely dehumanizing experience. I
mean the idea that you have to spend your entire day essentially trying to
stay alive, keep warm, find food just to go to bed to get up and do it
again especially for these folks who are newly ones who have been in work
for their entire lives.

The guy I was with had worked a job for 40 years before he lost his job in
the great recession, and is out of work and out on the streets. It just
sucks the life out of you. And for this guy who`s only income was a $100 a
week and unemployment benefits to now have that taken away from him, it
just adds tremendous insult to grievous injury.

SCHULTZ: You think Republican colleagues would have a different view of
this if they experience what you did?

MURPHY: Yeah. I mean listen -- you listen to some of my colleagues talk
about this mythology in which they really do believe that when you give
somebody a little bit of help from the government that that encourages them
to continue that behavior.

If you spend some time with this guy Nick (ph) or with his friends on Town
Green in New Haven, each one of them has a plan back to employment. But,
when you`re filling out job applications and your address is the homeless
shelter it`s pretty impossible to get an interview.

So, the fact is that these funds, these unemployment benefits which keep a
lot of people from homelessness is really the only thing that`s allowing
them to actually have a shot at a job. And that is the true reality of

SCHULTZ: So, you saw homeless people trying to get work?

MURPHY: Yes. So, we spend about two hours in the basement of the New
Haven public library. And every single one of those computers was taken.
Not every single one of them by somebody who is homeless but almost
everyone of them by people who were jobless and who were spending hours of
their day filling out dozens of applications online.

To tell you the truth, there are actually some people who are living in the
shelter in New Haven Connecticut who actually are working, who are working
part time temporary jobs that don`t pay enough to afford rent and
mortgages. So, even people who are working in this terrible economy have
had their hours and their wages stripped back so far that they`re only --
that only goes for them to live out on the streets.

SCHULTZ: Senator, what`s the remedy?

MURPHY: Well, remedy is to understand that there is a solution through
government that in the short term the lifeline to these families are
extended emergency unemployment benefits. That`s what separates millions
of families from homelessness. But, the other remedy is to understand that
when there aren`t job training slots for these people, when there are long
lines at these shelters that that just perpetuates .


MURPHY: . joblessness and homelessness that the government has to step up
and not just make sure there an unemployment benefits, not just make sure
there are positions of each shelters but actually give them educational on
training pathways back to work.

SCHULTZ: I want to quickly play this sound by the Senator Marco Rubio, his
thoughts on minimum wage. I want your reaction. Here it is.


RUBIO: Really? This is their solution to what the President has called
the defining issue of our time. Raising the minimum wage may poll well,
but having a job that but having a job that pays $10 an hour is not the
American Dream.


SCHULTZ: That`s what you`re up against, Senator. I know that the
Democrats are going to make minimum wage an issue along with the
conversation of income and inequality. What`s your response to the man
across the isle there from Florida?

MURPHY: Listen, nobody wants to make the minimum wage. But the reality
is, is that millions of people do and it is not a living wage.

And so, the idea that we`re trying to give people the American dream by
providing them with a couple of dollars more in income just isn`t the case.
And I`ve heard this frankly from Republicans over and over again that
Democrats` answer is just to increase the minimum wage. Democrats answer
is only to provide unemployment benefits.

That`s not the case. The fact is there are components of a safety net that
allow people access to all of the other things that encompass the American
dream. Our solution is also rebuilding America to put people back to work.


MURPHY: Paying our teachers and our public employees what they deserve
having an educational system that actually provides a real pathway to
employment. That`s what we`re talking about.

SCHULTZ: Senator, I know our audience commend you for doing what you did,
stepping out with the homeless and finding out what it`s really like.

MURPHY: Thanks a lot, Ed.

SCHULTZ: Senator Chris Murphy with us tonight. That`s the Ed Show, I`m Ed
Schultz. Politics Nation with Reverend Al Sharpton starts right now. Good
evening Rev.


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