THE ED SHOW
January 10, 2014
Guests: Melissa Tomlinson, Bernie Sanders, John Fugelsang, Mike Papantonio, Linda Stender
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ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to the Ed Show
live from New York. Let`s get to work.
REP. ERIC CANTOR, (R) VIRGINIA: Let`s focus on jobs together.
SCHULTZ: The clock is ticking. People got bills to pay.
REP. PAUL RYAN, (R) WISCONSIN: `Cause this is something that the
government, on its own, cannot solve.
REP. LOUIE GOHMERT, (R) TEXAS: Lures people into dependency and prevents
them from reaching their god-given potential.
REP. JOHN BOEHNER, (R) OHIO: Our concern about those who have -- at a
difficult time are trying to find a job.
SCHULTZ: What happens if you don`t get the extension? How does that
affect you looking for a job?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Gasp (ph), for your current cost money, you need to
have a cellphone so people can call you and offer you an interview.
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We got to make sure that
this recovery leaves nobody behind.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now our current president and his liberal allies, their
proposal is to spend more on these failed programs
SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL, (R) KENTUCKY: Giving money to rich people doesn`t
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This sort of rich versus poor, the same old thing.
SEN. HARRY REID, (D-NV) MAJORITY LEADER: And now, another call, one more
call for government fix.
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SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight folks. Thanks for watching.
There is some breaking news with the Chris Christie story. It`s a biggest
story in America. No question about it.
We know one thing. There are 2,000 more documents that have been dumped
here on this Friday afternoon. There`s a lot of people involved. But
remember, this guy says he`s innocent.
Governor, here`s what I think you ought to do. You know how this operates.
You were the U.S. attorney in New Jersey from 2002 to 2008, a Bush
appointee. Why don`t you, as governor of the state, put together your own
executive investigative team? I mean, if you`re clean, you got nothing to
worry about and certainly, nobody in your office right now has any
credibility so you know how to map this stuff up.
Chris, come on dude. Put your own team together and how about it. I bet
the Democrats would probably help you fund some folks to do that. Put it
away from the legislature. Get some professional investigators. Put them
together. Have a work right out of your office and get to the bottom of
Now, we know where Governor Christie was yesterday. I kind of like to know
where he was today. Interesting. No public events. Is he diving right
into this thing? I`d like to know.
You as a taxpayer, from New Jersey, would you like to know what your
governor did today after he said that he is just so sad and heartbroken and
was blindsided, that -- and he`s going to get to the bottom of it, right?
Well, here`s how I see this. He`s either lying or he`s telling the truth.
And at this point, that`s really all people care about. Now, of course,
there`s the legal ramifications and all these law suits that have been
filed, but the bottom line is we want to know if he`s telling the truth or
Well, if he says he tell the truth what she is, how about with her own
investigation, governor? Aren`t you capable of doing that? You`re the
dude. You were the U.S. attorney of the New Jersey from 2002 to 2008. You
know how this works. Put your own team together and how about it.
Remember, you`re innocent.
Now, if anything comes up in this hour that is a smoking gun that deals
directly with the governor, we will bring it to you. Our team`s going over
all the e-mails right now. There`s 2,000 new documents out there. Some of
them redacted, and of course, if anything pops up, we`ll bring it to you.
But, this is one guy, this is one state. Is it really the biggest story in
America right now? You know, today is Friday. Today is payday for a lot
of Americans across this country. Don`t you love Fridays? But that`s not
the case for 1.3 million Americans who stopped receiving their unemployment
benefits two weeks ago. The clock is ticking.
You see, the bills are starting to come in. They`re starting to pile up
right now and people are starting to get a little bit anti about how this
whole thing is going to work out. 1.3 million Americans, right? The bills
are piling up and you know what, the cost of living in this country, it
35 percent of Americans -- roughly 35 percent of Americans in this country
rent. They don`t own their home. They rent a home or they rent an
apartment. So if you get $300 a month and about $1200 a month, roughly,
what are we looking at? I mean, these are the essentials.
You got to pay the rents. You got the electric bill. You got the heating
bill. You might have a car payment. You got to pay insurance on the car.
That`s the way the world turns in America. You got to keep your cellphone
active because they`re going to call you for a job after you went out and
applied for a bunch of them. Internet cable, well, you got to have
internet because you got to stay connected on where there jobs are, right?
But normally, cable or satellite, they`re normally the first things to go,
and oh by the way, dug on it, you got to eat and going to feed the kids.
These are the essentials. The average unemployment benefit right now is
roughly $1200 a month. This is reality. This is a hard number. We should
point out that the average rent in the United States of America is $865 a
Now, I`m sure there`s probably some $200 or $300 a month apartments out
there, maybe on the topside of town where there are some real economic
challenges. But let`s face it. With all the things that I just put up
there, $1200 bucks doesn`t go very far.
Just the cost of rent alone puts many of these unemployed Americans, I
think, in a pretty tough spot. The cost of living in America really isn`t
cheap. So now, their gut is starting to turn a little bit. How we going
to pay the rent? And what happens if you don`t pay the rent?
Well, you don`t own the property. You`re renting. And I`m sure that
there`s a contract there and I`m sure after 10 days, the landlords want to
going to want his money and then the fees start piling up and then there`s
probably a clause (ph) in there but if you don`t pay for 30 days or 60
days, you`re going to start getting eviction notices. And oh by the way,
you get evicted, where does your credit go? It goes in the toilet.
You know how hard it is with big banks today to restore your credit to be
able to get back into the economy? So this the key thing right here,
putting a roof over your head. Lot of people miss meals, lot of people
can`t go out - can`t go without communications. We`ve heard of people
putting their coats on, electricity. Do you really have to have it? Well,
they might repossess your car. This is real life stuff, but the
Republicans are in denial.
Rebuilding your credit to get the electricity turned on so the heating or
oil company will show up and actually put stuff into your cans so you can
use it. Now, they probably want cash only if you got bad credit. It`s
been ruined `cause you`ve been out of a job. Who the hell is going to be
able to finance a car? Guy comes in to the car shop, he`s got bad credit.
No, Joe (ph) the car salesman, he`ll going to take a chance on those folks.
That`s how America works but I`m not convinced that the congress
understands that. Everything listed here is absolutely necessary to find
another job. Without these essentials, job hunting is almost impossible.
Meanwhile, a new report shows that members of congress, the decision makers
in America, ain`t worried about any of these. They`re rolling in cash.
For the first time in history, more than half of the members of the house
in the senate, wow, how about that, they`re millionaires. We have
millionaires who are making decisions on people who all they want to do is
pay the rent and get a job. The media net worth of law makers rose 4.4
percent to over $1 million over the past year. They`re on a roll.
Right now, 1.3 million Americans have lost their unemployment benefits. If
congress doesn`t act, the White House is saying that their estimates show
that 4.9 million Americans could be losing their benefits by the end of
2014. And right now, the extension, breaking news, it ain`t looking very
good. We got trouble on the senate folks.
You see, after these six Republicans decided to cozy up to the Democrats
and move this thing forward procedurally on unemployment on the extension
of unemployment, some are now, well, they`re getting cold feet, they`re
changing their minds as well. You know what they want? It`s the same old
Republican story that I told you before the Christmas break. They want
offsets. Damn it. You can`t trust them.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, well he compromise. Okay, let`s do a
10-month paid for extension. Well, that`s still not good enough for the
Republicans. They wanted to make more and more amendments to it. Majority
leader Reid, well, that guy is at the end of his road (ph).
Now, you know Harry Reid, he doesn`t get too excited too often. Here he is
talking about this situation.
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REID: The American people want to know where we stand. Are we going to
extend unemployment benefits for people been out and work for a long time?
That`s the issue before this body. We have bent over backwards through
Jack Reed to come up for the proposal to pay for this. It`s all we`ve --
never quite right. It`s almost but not quite right rather than continually
denigrating our economy, our president, and frankly, I believe, our
country. I think that we should have some more constructive things around
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SCHULTZ: Oh yeah, but they want to derail everything. Republicans don`t
have a solution to extend unemployment and really, you know, they don`t
care about it. If they did, they wouldn`t be blocking the senate bill. At
least, sought (ph) and go over the house for a vote. For example, here is
how failed vice-presidential candidate Paul Ryan wants to solve poverty in
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RYAN: It goes beyond just the federal government and we`ve got to involve
our communities. We`ve got to get people engaged. I think one of the
casualties to this approach has been people think it`s getting to handle by
government. I paid my taxes. I`m working really hard. It`s tough to make
ends meet. I`m paying my taxes. The government`s going to handle this.
That is not true. That doesn`t cut it anymore. People need to get
involved in their own communities and solve this one person at a time, a
community by community, and we need to do more to remove the barriers that
allow that to happen.
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SCHULTZ: Breaking news here Congressman Ryan, we are the government. We,
the people, ever heard of that? We, the people, are the decision makers.
We have elections, you know what I mean, and we vote and we have -- and at
least in your state, they`ve chosen you for some odd reason.
Community, it`s all up to community. It`s all up to all of us. I suppose
we got to take in our next door neighbor if he gets unemployed. That`s
what the Republicans want them to do. Reminds me of the time Eric Cantor
said charity should be the way to pay for people`s health care.
There are many generous Americans out there. There`s no question about
that. But the poor shouldn`t have to rely on their neighbor to get by
because you see, many of these unemployed people, excuse me, all of these
unemployed people have paid into this unemployment insurance throughout
their entire working career. But you see, when you have millionaires who
are making the decisions and their belly`s not turning about whether the
rent is going to be okay, you have to expect that they`re going to have a
different perspective on all of these.
Get your cellphones out. I want to know what you think tonight`s question.
Do millionaire Republican politicians even care about the unemployed? Text
A for Yes, Text B for No to 67622. You can always go to our blog at
ed.msnbc.com. We`ll bring you the results later on in the show.
We have trouble in the senate. It looked pretty good earlier on the week
but now, it doesn`t. For more on this, let`s bring in Senator Bernie
Sanders of Vermont. Senator, good to have you with us tonight.
SEN. BERNIE SANDERS, (I) VERMONT: It`s good to be with you.
SCHULTZ: You bet. Everything was looking good early on this week. What
SANDERS: I think `cause that`s an enormous a matter of politics involved
here. Ed, when Bush was president, Republicans voted for five extensions
of emergency unemployment without any offsets. That was when Bush was
Obama as a president becomes a different story. What these guys want to do
is pretend, I believe, that they`re concerned about these 1.3 million
workers. And I want to thank you very much for really talking about what
happens to somebody`s life when they have no income coming in, what it
means in terms of rent or a cellphone or your ability to get a job. That
is something our Republican colleagues are not thinking about at all.
So what they are talking about now are "offsets" not on the Bush, but now,
they want it under Obama. And what these offsets will be is taking money
from PEEDA (ph) to help pay it all. What they want to do is cut the
Affordable Care Act. They want to cut health insurance. These guys have
been vicious about cutting food stamps. They want to cut social security,
Medicare and Medicaid. They want to cut any in all programs which benefit
the working families of our country. That`s what they want to do now.
That`s what they have always wanted to do.
SCHULTZ: Senator, would your council be to do some offsets to get this
thing through? Is it worth it to try to find some cuts somewhere else?
SANDERS: Well, there are offsets and there are offsets. When one out of
four corporations in this country, Ed, including some very, very wealthy
ones and profitable ones don`t pay a nickel in federal income taxes.
SANDERS: . you think we can raise some revenue there? Do you think we can
raise revenue while we`re losing a $100 billion every year because
Corporate America is flushing (ph) them in the Cayman Islands?
Ed, here is an unbelievable irony. Think about this. Many of these
Republicans who are demanding offsets right now to help desperate workers
get some food on the table, they are supporting the complete repeal of the
state tax that is hundreds of billions of dollars not coming in to the
federal government, only applying to the top 3/10 of 1 percent of
SCHULTZ: Well, there are.
SANDERS: . the millionaires and the billionaires.
SCHULTZ: They`re in favor of inherited wealth as what they are, not
earned. There are -- `cause that will help concentrate to wealth if they
can get rid of the state tax and that`s really what that is all about. So
what comes down to.
SCHULTZ: . is there going to be a deal in the senate? And that would be
offsets. I don`t think that we`re going to get any corporate tax reform
that`s going to help this thing out. So it looks like the Democrats, and I
hate to say this, are going to have to let these 1.3 million people fall by
the wayside or do a deal or somehow believe that pressure can be brought
against Republicans? What is it?
SANDERS: Well, I think what we have going for us, both on this issue and
on the issue of the need to raise the minimum wage is widespread support
from the American people. And I think we`ve got the make the Republicans
that ought (ph) that they can`t refuse, and that is, they`re going to be
hurt politically which they worry about a whole lot unless they do
something significant to help these 1.3 million Americans. And by the way,
Ed, when you help these 1.3 million Americans, you`re helping the American
SANDERS: You know, a desperate worker doesn`t have any money to spend,
that means we`re going to be losing collectively about 200,000 jobs a year
-- a decline in our GDP by 2/10 of 1 percent. So it is the moral and right
thing to do. It is good economics to extend this unemployment.
SANDERS: . benefits. The American people have got to stand with us and
tell the Republicans they`ve got to do the right thing.
SCHULTZ: Senator, what is your response to the House Budget chairman, Paul
Ryan, who tells NBC news that this has to be solved community by community,
one to one -- government doesn`t have a role at this point?
SANDERS: That`s an outrageous statement. And you`re quite right in
quoting some Republicans who actually believe by the way. Well, I mean he
is Ryan. Ryan`s budget massive cuts in Medicaid transforming Medicare into
a voucher program, putting the burden on the backs sick elderly people, and
then thinking that somehow mysteriously, magically, the churches or child
of all organizations are going to fill the gap. They are not.
SANDERS: Government in a civilized democratic society has a
responsibility. We are the only country in the industrialized world that
doesn`t have a national healthcare program, guaranteed health care to all.
SCHULTZ: Well, with high hopes for a vote on Monday in the Senate doesn`t
look like that is going to happen. We`ll stay on the story. Senator
Bernie Sanders, thank you for your time tonight on the Ed Show. I
Remember to answer tonight`s question there at the bottom of the screen.
Share your thoughts with us on Twitter @EdShow and on Facebook. Always
want to know what you think.
Still ahead, Texas two-stepper, Louie Gohmert, reveals the real reason he
ran for congress. And believe me, it`s a dandy. But first, a teacher who
stood up that Governor Chris Christie weighs in on the governor`s claim
that he`s not a bully.
SCHULTZ: Time now for the Trenders Social Media in action. This is where
you can find us, ed.msnbc.com, twitter.com/edshow, and facebook.com/edshow.
And on the radio, Monday through Friday, on a progress Channel 127
SiriusXM, noon to three. The radio website, wegoted.com.
All right, the Ed Show social media nation has decided. These are the hot
topics. We`re reporting. Here are today`s top Trenders voted on by you.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The iceman cometh.
SCHULTZ: The number three Trender, freeze.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No global warming?
SEN.JAMES INHOFE (R) OKLAHOMA: No (inaudible).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s not a damn everyone squiggling about the
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you going to wear palm warmers?
INHOFE: There`s an ambiance.
SCHULTZ: James Inhofe interrupts a senate unemployment debate to debunk
INHOFE: A little bit humorous to me that we`re talking about extending the
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Funny how? I mean, what`s funny about that?
INHOFE: In the midst of one of the most intense cold fronts in American
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Temperature is up, feeling like they`re in the `50s and
`40s below zero.
INHOFE: It has to make everyone question as to whether global warming was
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why don`t you step into the 21st century and see what
the world would be like?
SCHULTZ: The number two Trender, all the single ladies.
OBAMA: It`s now been 50 years since President Johnson declared an
unconditional war on poverty in America.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: For 50 years, they spent trillions of dollars, and now,
they want to spend more. This doesn`t work.
SEN.MARCO RUBIO (R) FLORIDA: Social factors also play a major role on
denying equal opportunities.
SCHULTZ: Conservatives say single moms are to blame for poverty.
RUBIO: A greatest tool to lift people on poverty is called marriage.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Man and wants (ph) a man and wives (ph).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They taught people to be dependent. They taught women
better not have a man in your house because you`ll get more money, if
there`s no guy there.
RUBIO: This shouldn`t surprise us that 71 percent of poor families with
children are families that are not headed by a married couple.
SCHULTZ: And today`s top Trender, push back.
KELLY O`DONNELL: Your critics say this reveals that you are a political
GOV.CHRIS CHRISTIE, NEW JERSEY: No, I`m not.
That is a complete pile of garbage.
I have very heated (ph) discussions. I don`t hide my emotions from people.
SCHULTZ: Chris Christie can`t run away from the bully label.
Didn`t I say a topic? Are you stupid?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You don`t send your children to public schools. So I
was wondering why you think it`s fair to be cutting school funding to
CHRISTIE: Again (ph), you know what? First of all, it`s none of your
Thank you all very much and I`m sorry for the idiot over there.
You`re being an idiot and if you are an idiot, I`m going to call you an
I am who I am but I am not a bully.
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SCHULTZ: Joining me now is Melissa Tomlinson. Ms. Tomlinson is a New
Jersey Middle School teacher. Melissa, good to have you with us tonight.
You have -- you bet, you have been exposed to the demeanor that Chris
Christie quite often illustrates and yesterday, he made the case to the
media and to the world that he`s not a bully. I want your reaction to
MELISSA TOMLINSON, NJ MIDDLE SCHOOL TEACHER: I don`t understand that how
he can say that he`s not. I think that in line of the e-mails that are
coming out and the sense that we get that these people had no kind of fear
of retribution or getting in trouble for what they were doing that shows
what kind of atmosphere he`s creating within his public office and if he
does something, people that work for him are going to say, "Okay, well,
he`s doing it. I can act like that too." So he`s creating this absolute
persona of bullying.
SCHULTZ: What was your reaction when he, you know, lost his cool in front
of you and countered you verbally in a very dogmatic manner?
TOMLINSON: What was my reaction? I started trembling. I, honestly, I
didn`t know how to react. It was frightening.
SCHULTZ: Back in 2011, Christie compared the teacher`s union in the state
of New Jersey to playground bullies and said the union was a political
thuggery operation. Here it is.
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CHRISTIE: When you come out to the school yard, right, like I didn`t
threaten back in January 2010. You walk on that school yard for the first
time and you see a bunch of people lying on the ground bleeding and moaning
in pain and there`s one person standing. That`s the bully. My approach
is, you punch them, I punch you. And that`s why I`m taking on this fight
because you can`t reason at the moment with these folks. There`s no
reasoning with them.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Your response to that.
TOMLINSON: He talks about how one person is standing and others are lying
on the ground trembling and bleeding. He doesn`t see that he`s doing the
same thing to public education and to other people right within his state -
- people that he is supposed to be accountable to. And I think it`s time
that we really take a stand and start making him accountable. He wants to
push accountability in all the different public sectors that he represents
specifically the teachers and the teacher unions. There`s no reason why he
shouldn`t be held accountable for his actions.
SCHULTZ: Well, he was asked obviously about him being a bully yesterday
and what people say about him. And he counters that by, you know, trying
to define his personality. But you have seen him face to face doing this.
Did you feel like you were being bullied? Did you feel like you had a
chance to tell the governor of New Jersey how you felt?
TOMLINSON: No, not at all. Not at all. He -- a typical bullying incident
is a person placing another person in a category of people based upon
characteristics. "OK. You`re a teacher, you`re no good." That was
basically what I felt.
Just because I had that teacher label, all of the sudden I was no good.
And he felt that he could say whatever he wanted to towards me, scream at
me, put his finger in my face. It`s the classic bully victim syndrome
SCHULTZ: Well, he brought brashes no doubt. And when you told him you
were a teacher.
SCHULTZ: . you told him you`re a teacher and he probably thought you`re
part of that political thuggery operation that he loves to describe. Does
this administration, as a taxpayer, in your opinion, a follower of all of
this and a worker in New Jersey, does this administration try to intimidate
more than lead?
TOMLINSON: Definitely, it tries to intimidate. They have a definite
agenda and they want everybody to follow along with that agenda. And we
have no say in where things are going.
SCHULTZ: It`s interesting the confrontation or should I say the exchange
that you had with him. And I don`t mean to mischaracterize it. But
looking back on it as a professional educator, would you ever instruct any
of your students to act like this when someone approaches them with an
TOMLINSON: Not at all. Not at all. I instruct my students to engage in
conversation. There`s many different views in the world and everybody
needs to be open to those views points. There`s just things that go on
that you don`t understand. Somebody that has a different background comes
from a different story. You need to be open to listening to that. And
he`s not that way at all.
SCHULTZ: I have to ask you. This picture that we`re showing is when you
had an exchange with him. By the way, what did you ask him to put a smile
on his wife`s face and put a look on his face with his finger pointing at
TOMLINSON: I asked him why he portrays New Jersey public schools as
failure factories. That was my simple question. I just wanted to know why
he was doing this, what was leading him to this conclusion because that`s
not what I was seeing at all.
SCHULTZ: Pretty much strip does trigger, didn`t it?
SCHULTZ: Melissa Tomlinson, thank you for joining us tonight here on the
Ed Show. The governor yesterday making the case that he`s not a bully. We
just think that this is part of the story.
Next, the new team of Christie cheerleaders who were bracing the governor
to the top of the political pyramid. Plus, the Motorcity revisits engines,
that`s right, and revs up its engines in tonight`s Fast Forward.
But next, I`m taking your questions. Ask Ed Live coming up here on the Ed
Show. Stay with us.
SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. We love hearing from our viewers.
Tonight in our Ask Ed Live segment, our first question comes from Nikita
Why are people so quick to accept Christie`s apology over Bridgegate and
not President Obama`s apology over the Affordable Care issues?
Interesting. Well, first of all, they handled it totally differently. If
the president of United States were to come out and talk about himself for
two hours and apologize and try to reinvent himself, I bet the cable`s
probably would have been covering it. In fact, the network`s probably
would have been covering it.
Here`s the point, President Obama, he knows there`s better days ahead.
Governor Christie, I`m not so sure he`s that confident.
Fact of the matter is, they have the microphone, there`s a lot of
Conservative media, they`re out in front of the parade right now trying to
reinvent Christie, President Obama knows that he doesn`t need that because
more and more people are signing up for health care every day in America.
Our next question is from James Mills (ph). Are Chris Christie`s chances
of becoming president gone?
No. I don`t think so. And in some strange way, I hope they`re not ever
gone because I think his personality parallels the ruthlessness and the
bulliness of the Republican Party and the Conservative movement.
So personally, I hope Christie sticks around. But if there`s any sunlight
getting through those documents that shed new light on the facts that
Christie was involved, he`s toast. You can count on it.
Stick around. Rapid Response Panel is next.
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Stocks getting mixed today and little change despite a much weaker than
expected jobs report. The Dow falling seven points, the S and P rising
four, the NASDAQ adding 18.
The big story today, jobs. Employers adding just 74,000 jobs to payrolls
last month far less than expected. And unemployment rate dropping to 6.7
percent as the labor participation rate fell.
In the meantime, Target said that the number of people affected by a data
breach could total up to 110 million.
That`s it from CNBC, first in business worldwide.
SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. We`re still owed answers on
Governor Chris Christie`s scandal Bridgegate as it`s heating up again on
this Friday afternoon with another afternoon data dump.
New subpoena documents are now out detailing communication among the
governor`s staff. They are highly redacted. A lot of people are involved.
This could give us some more answers as to who knew what and when and was
the governor in the loop.
We`ll update you as the story develops.
Meanwhile, the media continues their love affair with the governor.
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MARIANNE RAFFERTY, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: How did he do?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, it`s an amazing performance.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He looks people straight in the eye. He was emphatic.
You could see from his body language, the eye contact.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s what you`re looking for in a leader. I don`t
care if he`s a Democrat or Republican. That`s what you`re looking for and
he did pass the test.
JUAN WILLIAMS, FOX NEWS POLITICAL ANALYST: I think he gets great reviews.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As hard as it is to believe, I think I`m going to
give him the benefit of the doubt.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Entertaining and insightful and off the cuff for that
period of time shows his unbelievable talent.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That was an impressive performance.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Christie really indicated to many what leadership
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All in all, it`s a refreshing change to what we have in
the White House right now.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Some people yesterday were saying, "Traffic in New
Jersey? This is news?" You know, we thought that was an everyday
occurrence. What`s the big deal? Obviously, there`s, you know, more to it
than that or the president would not .
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: . I mean the governor would not have responded that
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: So all you have to do is go out and sell hard. That`s how you
got to do it.
The critical eye of the media sounded more like best actor reviews ahead of
the Golden Globes, I think.
You know, I said yesterday on this program, "This is exactly why Chris
Christie is so dangerous." Everything is a performance with this guy.
It`s all political theater for this governor.
The chief executive of New Jersey as I see it did not show leadership. He
just went out and did what he had to do. Christie actually showed a lack
of control by coming out and admitting, "I don`t have anything to do with
this. I don`t know anything about it." Really, Governor? You want us to
believe that? OK.
Joining me now, our Rapid Response Panel. Ring of Fire Radio Host Mike
Papantonio, and Liberal Commentator and Comedian John Fugelsang.
Gentlemen, great to have you with us tonight.
Mike, let`s talk with you first about all the legal wrangling that`s going
on out there.
In one of the documents released today, the executive director of the Port
Authority wrote that the shutting down of the access of the lanes to the
bridge "violates federal law and the laws of both states". Another e-mail
shows an effort to keep the story under wraps.
Tell me what this means, Mike, in terms of consequences. How will charges
look if we get there?
MIKE PAPANTONIO, RING OF FIRE RADIO HOST: What they`re talking about there
of course is the federal interstate with interference with state commerce.
That`s minor compared to what I see ahead here, Ed. Look, this guy, the
whole team here is facing obstruction of justice potentially. They`re
facing interference with an ongoing investigation. That`s what -- that`s
where this case is really going to land.
The fact that, yes, there were some interference with intra and interstate
commerce I think it`s going to become a very minor issue here. And I think
as this develops, every time we see one of this Wildstein characters, you
know, dig his way in a little bit deeper. It`s going to get worst.
These names that are redacted in these documents, what we typically see
there is the names that are redacted generally are people that people like
Wildstein or people all the way to the top are concerned might actually
start talking about what they know.
That`s when you see these redactions. They want to disconnect that person
from the investigation. Ultimately, that`s not going to work.
SCHULTZ: Mike, can Christie do anymore to mop this up? I mean he`s a
former US attorney from 2002 to 2008 appointed by Bush. If he`s clean as
he says he is, can he put together his own executive investigative panel
and go after it?
PAPANTONIO: It`s going to be tough. Look it`s -- the place he`s got to
worry about it`s going to come from other areas. This private lawsuit,
this civil case that has been filed that`s a case where they`re going to
find documents and e-mails and witnesses that are not going to be found
This is a very capable young .
SCHULTZ: But that won`t be redacted, correct? That will .
PAPANTONIO: It will be not redacted. If it`s redacted the chance of them
getting an unredacted copy of it .
PAPANTONIO: . are very, very good. This is where the -- this is where
these things are going to change.
SCHULTZ: John Fugelsang, this press conference went on for nearly two
hours. Chris Christie made a lot of emphatic statements about his lack of
knowledge surrounding the scandal.
If there`s a smoking gun and it turns out that he was not telling the
truth, what is the say about all the media`s positive assessments of his
FUGELSANG: Well, keep in mind, Ed. The media you showed in your montage,
they were mostly Fox and so it`s great to know the knights of the trickle
down table are behind King Christie.
But, you know, the fact here is this guy want -- and by the way there are
more smoking guns here than a John Woo movie. The guy said that maybe it
was a traffic study months after the Port Authority said there was no
So, what we got here is a governor who says that he`s surrounded by these
people who lied to him and create this false world that he believes is
real. So, it`s the Truman show.
But here is the thing. Ronald Reagan said he didn`t know his staff was
arming Iran and arming both sides of the Iran-Iraq war and he walked away
Christie can`t even pull up a closed bridge.
FUGELSANG: This is all about the Tea Party. We know that the Chamber of
Commerce is going to be funding establishment Republican candidates against
Tea Party challenges. It`s all going to be civil war in the GOP next year.
The only thing that matters to Governor Christie now is do this revolutions
hurt him or help him with the Tea Party voters in the primaries? And it
may surprise a lot of liberals to know, Tea Party guys won`t be all that
outraged by a big bully who made life tougher for New Yorkers.
SCHULTZ: Mike, what does Governor Christie -- what does he face legally if
he wasn`t telling the truth? If there was some a different story being
told of these documents that are being released?
PAPANTONIO: At this point, illegally he -- other than obstruction of
justice. But listen, he -- two hours yesterday, one thing we heard him say
was that, you know, David Samson his guy that he appointed at the Port
Authority that he didn`t have anything to do with this. Remember that?
Very clear about that.
PAPANTONIO: He really over committed. And then, we find out that David
Samson is the guy that`s being discussed as the person that`s going to help
David Samson is the guy that says that Foy is stirring up unnecessary
trouble and controversy. So, I don`t know who advised him to go in front
of the camera for two hours and over commit. That`s what this man did
But again, Ed, we`re talking about an Al Capone kind of mentality. He`s
used to bullying himself around. He`s a Karl Rove and Warner (ph) kind of
politician where he always succeeds with dirty politics.
Yesterday, he might have overstated that dirty politics. He might put
himself in a bad situation.
SCHULTZ: John, is the .
FUGELSANG: Don`t you think, Mike?
SCHULTZ: John, is the media covering for the Republican front runner?
FUGELSANG: Well, look, I think a lot of the media not just the Right Wing
are sensitive to Governor Christie, because we all know he`s an
entertaining politician. We have -- I mean, we have to deal with so many
He is like McCain sort of a Maverick. He seems to be speaking of the
copies actually quite establishment. But he`s so entertaining. I don`t
really think this is going to damage him long term. I`d like to say the
media is covering for him but we know that Fox will no matter what.
He is their guy. And I`m not really surprised by any of this.
FUGELSANG: This is a guy who actually, you know, Wall Street bankers
ripped us off for billions and Chris Christie wants you to be angry at
teachers unions. It`s not the first time the guy`s lost focus.
SCHULTZ: And quickly, Mike, Bridget Kelly is the linchpin to all of this
at this point, right?
PAPANTONIO: Very important. And the question is she going to say this is
worth it? I would tell her to lawyer up if she hasn`t already.
All of this low hanging politicians, this petty politicians, this politicos
are real -- are going to get themselves into big trouble if they don`t
SCHULTZ: All right. Mike Papantonio and John Fugelsang good to have you
with us on this Friday edition of the Ed Show.
Next, the Tea Party tirade against single moms.
Louie Gohmert lands in tonight`s Pretenders.
SCHULTZ: And in Pretenders tonight, ladies man. Texas Congressman Louie
Gohmert. Good old Louie, he`s trying to dig himself out of a hole after
saying the reason he ran for Congress was to bribe single mothers of
Today, Congressman Gohmert is blaming, you guessed it, the liberal media.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
REP. LOUIE GOHMERT, (R) TEXAS: My speaker spoke a couple of days ago here
about a real burden on my heart for women who are lured into ruts, by
promises of money by the federal government and yet ignorance in the Left
Wing of our media is so pervasive that you could actually have people write
stories saying, "I was up here blaming single moms."
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Well, Congressman Gohmert, let me introduce you to the magical
world of recording devices.
As Warner Wolf would say here in the big city, "Let`s go to the Videotape."
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GOHMERT: If it weren`t for the policies in this war on poverty declared 50
years ago, it may well be that I would not have ever run for Congress.
It began to really eat away with me that in the 60s the federal government,
desiring to help poor moms who were dealing with deadbeat dads that weren`t
helping decided, "We`ll help, we`ll give a check for every child you can
have out of wedlock."
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Wow. If Louie Gohmert thinks that he can run his mouth at the
people`s house and then blame the liberal media when we catch him, he could
just keep on pretending.
SCHULTZ: Time now for the Friday Punch Out. Here on the Ed Show, we never
quit working for you so follow us through the weekend on Twitter at Ed
And now, here`s a peak at what we`re working on for next week in fast
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Coming in at number three, Detroit kicks it in to high gear.
MAYOR MIKE DUGGAN, (D) MICHIGAN: Everybody in this city shares the same
dream of the Detroit we want.
SCHULTZ: The struggling city will host one of the world`s biggest auto
shows starting Monday.
DUGGAN: We`re going to have well over 800,000 people come visit downtown
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I love this car.
SCHULTZ: Fast forward to number two, Terry McAuliffe takes the oath of
office in Virginia.
OBAMA: Terry understands what folks are going through. He knows how to
get things done.
SCHULTZ: On Saturday, the former chair of the DNC is sworn in as
GOV. TERRY MCAULIFFE, (D) VIRGINIA: I promise you tonight that I will be a
governor for all Virginians. The real test is my actions when I take
SCHULTZ: And our number one story to watch, state of the state after
CHRISTIE: I`ve done some soul searching.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re going to be under a lot of media scrutiny. So if
there`s anything that you want to talk about, any kind of regrets, or
stories or (inaudible).
SCHULTZ: On Tuesday, Governor Chris Christie addressing New Jersey.
CHRISTIE: I don`t hide my emotions from people.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Christie kills jobs.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Christie kills jobs.
CHRISTIE: You know, some may go down tonight but it ain`t going to be
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Linda Stender, Democratic Assembly Member from the State of New
Jersey joins us tonight here on the Ed Show. Great to have you with us.
LINDA STENDER, (D) NEW JERSEY, ASSEMBLY MEMBER: Thank you, Ed.
SCHULTZ: What do you make of the document dump today? Two-thousand pages,
lots of people involved, lots of redacted material. What`s your
STENDER: Lots of work to be done. It`s going to take a very deliberate
conscious effort to wade through all of that and to begin to put the pieces
together more than we already have. We have so many unanswered questions.
SCHULTZ: So many documents and so many people involved, how could the
governor not know? What do you believe?
STENDER: I don`t believe the governor didn`t know. I don`t think anybody
could if you`ve been paying attention to this at all. Not knowing the --
his style and the way he has conducted his office for the years that he`s
People don`t sneeze down there in his office without him knowing about it.
SCHULTZ: So what impression did you get watching him yesterday? He
totally cleared the beach, exonerated himself, he spent two hours making
sure that he wasn`t guilty in the minds of the people.
STENDER: Well, he said all of the right things that he was supposed to
say. I think that he needed to apologize to the people of New Jersey and
Fort Lee and I think he probably is genuinely sorry that this all going on.
This is a man who has great ambitions and his ambitions were just slowed
SCHULTZ: What about -- how are you going to get anything resolved with
these hearings that you`re having in the assembly if everybody`s taken the
fifth all of a sudden?
STENDER: I don`t know.
SCHULTZ: You need the US attorney.
STENDER: I think that the US attorney`s job, that`s their job and they
will get on that track and start to move it forward but we also have a role
in the state legislature to continue to gather the information and get
through it. Find out why things are redacted, get it clear, understanding
the inconsistencies, who were involved, who is on the list and being talked
to. There`s lots of questions. It`s a snowball effect.
SCHULTZ: Yeah. OK. I want to talk about the Port Authority. There were
some e-mails in that 2,000 documents that were released today that shows
that someone wrote in there that this could be a violation of federal and
SCHULTZ: What`s your response to that? I mean if they knew, if it was
brought to their attention and this traffic thing continued on, what`s that
STENDER: I think that the -- that it raises very serious issues of
official misconduct. I also think that the issue of interstate commerce
being impeded because of the nature of the bridge and where it sits. I
think that there are very real legal issues there and that`s why we saw Mr.
Wildstein plead the fifth every step of the way yesterday.
SCHULTZ: If it turns out that Mr. Christie knew anything about this, if
there is any kind of paper trail, is it the right time for a resignation?
STENDER: I think that we have to get through the process and that as -- if
that builds there then it`s something that is going to have to be looked
SCHULTZ: Is the attorney general going to get confirmed?
STENDER: I don`t believe that there`s going to be a hearing about that on
this coming week. I think that that`s not happening at this point.
SCHULTZ: What do you say to the people of New Jersey with your
relationship -- working relationship with the governor? Is it good, is it
hostile, is he a bully? He says he`s not.
STENDER: I believe he is a bully based on everything that he`s done, and
the things that he said, and how he has managed different issues along the
way, and just a commentary, take a baseball bat to this legislator and
throw really nasty comments at people along the way when they don`t agree
My relationship has been cordial. But I don`t -- have learned not to trust
where he`s at on the issues.
SCHULTZ: If the governor is completely exonerated in his mind, would it be
a good idea for him to put together his own investigative committee?
STENDER: Well .
SCHULTZ: He`s been down this road before. He knows what this is all
STENDER: He knows how to do it. You would absolutely agree and I think it
would have started with -- if there was real sincerity in that, he
should`ve started by asking Bridget Kelly to come in and explain to him
what she did and who is involved.
SCHULTZ: OK. Linda Stender, thank you for joining me tonight.
STENDER: Thank you.
SCHULTZ: I appreciate it very much. That`s the Ed Show. I`m Ed Schultz.
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