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April 14, 2014

Guests: Bernard Sanders, Bob Shrum, Elijah Cummings, George Will, Eric
Dyson, Mitch Ceasar, Goldie Taylor

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to Ed Show live
from Detroit Lakes, Minnesota. I`m ready to go. Let`s get to work.


SEN. TED CRUZ, (R) TEXAS: The national debate right now about the
direction of this country is going in.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have a unique opportunity to create a new

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re thinking like a new Republican.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You may have recently gotten a tattoo. Is there
anything to that?

CRUZ: I think every Republican should have two words tattooed on their
hands; growth and opportunity.

There was some street art that was a little unusual. And I got to tell
you, it inspired me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have one number that I have written on my hand today.

SARAH PALIN, FORMER ALASKA GOVERNOR: So remember the talking points that I
had written on my hand?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re thinking like a new Republican. Like a new

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We also have our good friend DJ Rand Paul here on the

SEN. RAND PAUL, (R) KENTUCKY: We cannot be the party of fat cats, rich
people, and Wall Street.

UNDIDENTIFIED MALE: Here`s some for the NSA to listen in on.

PAUL: The President keeps offering you free stuff.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re thinking like a new Republican.

PAUL: If you`re looking for free stuff .


PAUL: If you`re looking for free stuff, if you`re looking for free stuff
you don`t have to pay for, vote for the other guy. Hogwash, it`s exactly
the wrong thing to do.


SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight folks. Thanks for watching.

Well, the party is on. The Republican Party`s best and brightest, at least
that`s what they think they are, gathered in New Hampshire this week and
for the big party, it was the first ever Freedom Summit. How`d they ever
come up with that name? It`s so innovative and many are calling this
summit the official start for the 2016 Presidential Election. I know it`s
before the midterms but this is how they want to do it. The event of
course sponsored by none other than Citizens United and Americans for

Now, the Republican all-star team included, batter up, here we go. Ted
Cruz, Rand Paul, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert, Mike Huckabee, Donald Trump,
let`s not forget Marsha Blackburn.

Now, just think for a minute folks, could you imagine any of these people
being the president of the United States? No. Well, they wasted no time
attacking the real president of the United States and the Affordable Care

First up, Canadian Senator Ted Cruz from Texas. Cruz wants every single
word, don`t leave anything out, every single word of Obamacare wiped off
the books.


CRUZ: Today, Obamacare is at its lowest approval rating that`s ever been
since the day it was signed in the law.

This of the results of millions of men and women standing up and saying,
"Obamacare is a disaster. It is not working. It is hurting millions of
Americans." I am convinced we are going to repeal every single word of


SCHULTZ: False, false, and even more false.

Cruz is flat-out wrong on all levels there.

First, support for Obamacare is up nine points since November. Seven and a
half million people now have health insurance. And so what is Cruz going
to do with seven and a half million people? Just get rid of them? Throw
them off? Turn it back to the insurance industry? Obamacare is working
now better than ever.

Here is what Cruz wants when he talks about repealing every single word of
Obamacare. He means pre-existing conditions no longer around because he
don`t talk about them, lifetime limits on coverage back off the table and
no free preventive care. In fact, no preventive care whatsoever which is
the linchpin to all of this bringing cost down. They don`t understand
that. They never will.

Republicans lost the 2012 election on Obamacare and of course they need to
pick a new fight but they won`t.

Up next, we have Kentucky Senator Rand Paul. Paul said, "Republicans can`t
be the party of fat cats."?


PAUL: Rich companies don`t need your money. And it`s an insult to those
among us that we say, "We don`t have enough money for these other programs
but we`ve got enough money for our rich friends." If you want to be
consistent, if you want to grow the movement, we cannot be the party of fat
cats, rich people and Wall Street.


SCHULTZ: Wow. We got breaking news here tonight. Rand Paul, does that
mean that you do not want to see anymore tax dollars as in subsidies go to
oil companies? What does that mean? I don`t think he knows what it means.
Tough talk by Rand Paul, always plays well in Kentucky. But Republican
policies speak for themselves.

This is -- on the bottom line here folks, there`s not one single proposal
from Republicans who address income inequality in this industry. The
vulture chart is a direct result of so called trickle-down economics, which
has been around for a long time. This chart is a direct result of
Republican policies. President Obama is trying to fix the income
inequality and be fair to workers in this country. It`s hard to deal with
Republicans when all they want to do is to obstruct the President every
step of the way.

Here comes Congresswoman Marsha Blackburn. She`s got all the answers. She
also spoke in Saturday`s event. So she decided to attack the President for
using executive orders.


REP. MARSHA BLACKBURN, (R) TENNESSEE: Barack Obama promised you that he
was going to reign in executive power, but what we got is an imperial
president who plays like he`s the king and goes out and does what he wants
to do by executive fiat.


SCHULTZ: She`s compelling isn`t she? President Obama uses executive
orders because Republicans like Marsha Blackburn obstruct everything that`s
put in front of her.

In 2013, Congress passed the fewest amount of bill since the clerks started
keeping track. There`s another chart for you folks.

President Obama signs an order to raise minimum wage for federal
contractors to $10 an hour. Republicans against it then it gets called the
imperial president. It`s unbelievable, isn`t it?

Finally, we have the former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee. The Fox News
host thinks freedom of speech in America is under attack.


FMR. GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE, (R) ARKANSAS: Freedom of speech in this country
that for which those men grab those muskets off the mantle did never mean
that we`re to have fewer voices but more voices. It wasn`t that we
couldn`t descent, it was that we could whether you agree with the opinions
or not.

My gosh, I`m beginning to think that there is more freedom in North Korea
sometimes than there is in the United States. When I go to the airport, I
have to get in the surrender position, people put hands all over me and I
have to provide photo ID and a couple of different forms and prove that I
really am not going to terrorize the airplane.


SCHULTZ: Gosh. Who was in power back when they developed the TSA? I
think it was the Republicans. I think it was the Republicans who also
quarterbacked the largest rearrangement of the federal government which was
the Department of Homeland Security, because we had to be safe and now
Huckabee is complaining about it.

He talks about voices. What voices are you talking about, Mike? You`re in
talk radio. There`s 500 right-wingers to about 30 progressives all across
this country. Who you`re talking about? You mean, they haven`t obstructed
enough for you? The guy who has show on Fox News is complaining about
freedom of speech and certainly make no mistake, the group of Saturday
summit has nothing new to offer America.

If that`s all Republicans have for 2016, is that minor league line up,
Democrats, I would say looking pretty good right now. Not one person at
the Summit criticized big money in politics, no surprise considering the
fact that the event was sponsored by Americans for Prosperity.

Meanwhile, let`s go across town. It was a very different day on that very
same day and totally different story. Some guy named Bernie Sanders from
Vermont, this independent liberal for Vermont, he held at Town Hall at
Saint Anselm College, pack the house, standing ovation. Senator Sanders
called out Citizens United. He slammed billionaires for being able to buy


SEN. BERNIE SANDERS, (I) VERMONT: What the challenges is about is whether
we move in that direction bringing tens of millions of people together,
getting them involved in the political process, having meetings like this
all over America, having debates, having discussions and expanding and
strengthening our democracy. That`s the way I think we`ve got to go. Then
there`s another way which the guys at the other ends of the town are
talking about.

And that is a handful of billionaires pumping hundreds of millions if not
billions of dollars into campaigns, having candidates come before them and
getting the litmus test that they will support the billionaire agenda.
That`s where we are in America, either we`re strengthening democracy or an
oligarchy and I vote for democracy.

Thank you very much.


SCHULTZ: Message from the Ed Show to all Democrats, that`s exactly what
America wants to hear. Senator Clinton -- Secretary Clinton, take notice
of that. Senator Sanders is doing this country a favor by sounding the
alarm. He is saying what the people are thinking. I know, I`ve been
around the country too. People are angry about their vote being
disenfranchised. Did you see that story that we had on this program last

In Hamilton County, Ohio they have rigged it so people who have to depend
on public transportation have to travel an hour so they can vote. Oh, it`s
the new Republican plan. Maybe that`s the voice that Mike Huckabee wants
to have heard across America. 44 thousand homes in Hamilton country depend
on public transportation.

And now there`s this narrative out there, well, you know, the Democrats,
they might not be ready for this midterm, oh yes. I think it`s going to be
a historic turnout. Because if you compare what Bernie Sanders was saying
in New Hampshire and what the Republicans are saying, it`s two totally
different worlds.

They are showing off their playbook now. They have passed a radical budget
last week that Ryan planned for 2015. We know who they are. People make a
difference. Don`t lose confidence in your tackle box. There`s a whole
bunch of fish in that lake that we can get Democrats. Liberals, this can
be our year but you got to believe.

And here`s the thing that I feel so interested about is that since the
Republicans want to talk about 2016 and go to New Hampshire and of course
Senator Sanders was invited to speak up there. Why don`t they debate now?
I mean, I would love to see Senator Sanders go face to face with Rand Paul.
Hell, let`s have the debates right now. I`d love to debate Mike Huckabee.
You name the place, Mike. I`d love to talk to you about all these voices
you think should be heard.

Here`s what we need to do, we need to push the envelope. Democrats need
say, "Bring it on." Democrats need to say, "Let`s have the conversation
now. Since we can`t get votes in Congress, since there`s nothing but
obstructing, go obstruct the voices in the Heartland." The Democrats need
to challenge the Republicans out in front of the public now before the

Get your cellphones out. I want to know what you think. Tonight`s
question, "Would you like to see the candidates debate the issues right now
face to face?" What are we waiting for? Text A for yes, text B for no to
67622, you can always go to our blog We`ll bring you the
results later on in the show. I mean we could sell tickets.

For more, I want to bring in Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont. Senator,
great to have you with us tonight.

I mean, I know you`d debate these guys anytime, any place, anywhere, but
they don`t want to debate, Senator. They don`t want to debate. I got to
say congratulations on your speech senator, it`s getting rave reviews. And
you talked about the difference between the Republicans and the Democrats
when it comes to freedom and the view of freedom. I`d like you to tell our
listeners tonight exactly what you said. Thanks for joining us.

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS, (I) VERMONT: Well, Ed, at the end of the day these
guys have absolutely nothing to say. This is what the Republican platform
is. Despite the fact that the wealthiest people in this country are doing
phenomenally well, what the Republican idea of freedom is is to give more
tax breaks, huge tax breaks, the millionaires and billionaires under the
Ryan budget, average millionaire act gets $200,000 a year in tax breaks.
One out of four corporations today pay zero in taxes, they want to give
even more tax breaks for large corporations.

Meanwhile, the people who are hurting, the middle class, the working class,
low income people, what the Republican proposal on the Ryan budget is about
-- and what all of these guys belief is massive cuts. The Medicare
transforming it from the program that is today; Medicaid, Pell grants in
education, horrendous cuts to food stamps. So their definition of freedom
is, is that if you are70 years of age and you are poor and you have no
health insurance, you`re going to have the freedom literally to die,
because they don`t believe in keeping Medicare strong.

And if you are a low income ...


SANDERS: . person, they`re going to cut you off of Medicaid and you`re
going to have the freedom not to go to adapt them. That`s what they`re
talking about.

SCHULTZ: Senator, do you think in your heart that the majority of
Americans or with what you had to say on Saturday or the majority of
Americans are with what the Republicans were talking about across town?

SANDERS: Ed, it`s not only what I believe, it`s what the facts are, what
every single poll shows us. You go to Mississippi, you go to Oklahoma, you
go to conservative states and you ask people there, "Hey, I want to give
huge tax breaks to billionaires and I want to cut Social Security, Medicare
and Medicaid."

In my view, there is no state in the country where people support that
right wing agenda. You go to people. And this is what many Republicans
believe. Not only do they not want to raise the minimum wage, and that`s
what we`re trying to do. They want to abolish the concept of the minimum
wage, so that .


SANDERS: . if you`re in a low income area, you can work for $3 an hour.
Who in America believes that? So, Ed, their agenda is the agenda of the
Koch brothers and billionaires, maybe 10 percent of the American people. I
think we have infinitely more support for our ideas than they have for

SCHULTZ: Are you laying the groundwork for 2016?

SANDERS: Well, look, you know, getting involved in the presidential
election is you got to do a lot of thinking about it. But what I`ve said
is that in this country where the middle class is disappearing and where
the billionaires are exerting enormous power over the political process.
We need a candidate or many candidates to start standing up .


SANDERS: . for the working families and to take our big money and trust.
Am I prepared to be one of those candidates or the candidate? Yeah, I am.

SCHULTZ: Senator Bernie Sanders, good to have you with us tonight sir.
Thanks so much, obviously we`ll do it again.

Let me bring in Democratic strategist and NYU professor Bob Shrum. Bob
good to have you on.

What did we learn about the 2016 field at Saturday`s Freedom Summit? How

BOB SHRUM, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Well, first of all it should be called
the fat Free Summit. I mean you quoted Ryan Paul is saying the Republican
shouldn`t be the party of Wall Street and the wealthy. Then he endorses
massive tax cuts for Wall Street and the wealthy. And as Senator Sanders
just said, along with that come this huge cuts in Medicare and Social

Ted Cruz goes up there to a summit that`s supposed to focus on economic
issues and says he wants the Republican Party to double down on social
issues. Rand Paul comes and says, "Oh, we don`t want to have a pure litmus
test", but he`d have one for Supreme Court nominees, his NI choice, his NI
LGBT rights.

Look, you listen to the montage of stuff you put together at the beginning
of the show. And I am happy to endorse any of these guys, any of these
French figures or Martha Blackburn for the Republican nomination. They get
beaten like a drum in 2016.

SCHULTZ: How could be comparing the United States to North Korea? Is he
making a joke or does he believe it? I mean was that reckless?

SHRUM: No. It`s wacky. It`s way out there. But that`s what we`re seeing
from the Republican Party. Look, Jeb Bush who I believe as at this point,
given the fact that the Governor of New Jersey has jumped off the George
Washington Bridge, Jeb Bush is the strongest Republican nominee. His name
got booed when it was mentioned because he`s for sensible immigration
reform or sounds like he is, and he`s sensible education .


SHRUM: . reform. This Republican Party, that part of the Republican
Party, the Tea Party part of the Republican Party does not want someone
like that who even has any relationship to the mainstream. But I`ll tell
one thing Ed, I don`t think that summit is very predicative of what will
happen in New Hampshire. And here`s why, independence can vote any of the
Republican or the Democratic primary. That`s how John McCain .


SHRUM: . won the primary in 2000. If Hillary Clinton is there maybe
Bernie Sanders will be there. But if Hillary Clinton is there and people
think she`s going to be the nominee, independents are going to flood into
the Republican primary and all of that stuff that we heard at this so
called Freedom Summit is actually going to hurt those guys in the primary.

SCHULTZ: All right, Bob Shrum, always, great to have you with us tonight.
Thanks so much.

SHRUM: Thank you.

SCHULTZ: Coming up, Conservatives accuse the Obama Administration of
playing the race car. The Rapid Response Panel weighs in on that.

But first, Congressman Elijah Cummings tells Democrats to embrace Obamacare
as a moral issue. He joins me.

Stick around. We`ll be right back on the Ed Show.


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SCHULTZ: John Boehner`s primary challenger says he`s the cure for Ohio`s
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SCHULTZ: And today`s top Trender, moral argument.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you think that Obamacare is going to be anchor rock
around the neck of Democrats running this fall?

REP. ELIJAH CUMMINGS, (D) MARYLAND: I think that we have to go out there
and argue the moral issues.

SCHULTZ: Elijah Cummings tells Dems to take the high ground on healthcare.

CUMMINGS: The idea that we now have gotten rid of preexisting conditions.
I think this will (inaudible) you.

Making affordable coverage available to all Americans including those with
preexisting conditions is now an important goal of this law.

CUMMINGS: We have got to look at the good things, and we`ve got to go out
there and make it clear that it`s something good for America.

OBAMA: Under this law, the share of Americans with insurance is up and the
growth of healthcare cost is down.


SCHULTZ: Joining me tonight Congressman Elijah Cummings of Maryland.
Congressman, great to have you back with us.

CUMMINGS: It`s good to be with you, Ed.

SCHULTZ: Pretty clear -- you bet. It`s pretty clear that it is all about
repeal at this point. They want to vilify it to the max, sell hard that
it`s bad, and hope that it works. I mean there`s so much good in the law.
And so the Democrats need to what at this point as you see it?

CUMMINGS: We`ve got to go out there and first of all emphasis what we
believe. And that is that healthcare is not a privilege for some but it
should be a right for all Americans. And that we`re not going to leave any
American behind with regard to being able to have the assurance that if
they get sick they won`t have that type of coverage that they need. But at
the same time Ed, we`ve got to argue the moral issue of trying to keep
people well.

Life is very precious, and I think that`s what we`ve got to do. And then
we got to give examples of people who have done well. We hear the
Republicans, you know, complaining about stories that they hear. But the
question becomes are Democrats going to go out there and talk about the
lady in my community that now is able to get treated for colon cancer and
couldn`t get it before, or another lady that had problems with breast
cancer and could not get insurance for years because of a preexisting
condition. Now she`s able to do that. We`ve got to argue those things.

And the other thing we`ve got to talk about is the fact that we`ve gotten
now 7.5 million people who are .


CUMMINGS: . now insured. And what are going to do? Just throw them to
the side .


CUMMINGS: . and say we`re going to take away this opportunity? No. Ed, I
think again .

SCHULTZ: But Congressman .


SCHULTZ: But Congressman that point right there, the 7.5 million. You`ve
got Bob Schieffer on a Sunday morning show asking you if Obamacare, the
Affordable Care Act is going to be a drag on the Democrats, it`s as if 7.5
million don`t count, it`s as if all of the things that you just mentioned
don`t mean anything. Is the mainstream media buying in to the negative
narrative that the Republicans are selling hard?

CUMMINGS: I wouldn`t say that. I think that we though as Democrats have
got to go out there and make it clear that there are people who need
insurance. There are a lot of people that need insurance. And a lot of
time, what I do in me district when I have people who are against the
Affordable Care Act., what I tell them is, "Look, if your mother was sick,
or your father, or your sister, or your brother, if you expect that I`m
going to leave them behind and not do everything in my power to help them
get the kind of coverage they need then you just got the wrong person."
Because I just .


CUMMINGS: . cannot do it. And usually .


CUMMINGS: . usually when they hear that, they have a little bit of a
change in mind.

SCHULTZ: Congressman, a new report from the Congressional Budget Office,
non-partisan, says that the Affordable Care Act will cost the Federal
Government a $104 billion less .

CUMMINGS: That`s right.

SCHULTZ: . over the next 10 years than originally expected. Is this a
number that you can bank on? Is this a truthful number? And is this good
news for the Democrats going to the midterms?

CUMMINGS: This is very good news for the Democrats. As a matter of fact
the reason why that number came out as it did, is because that same report
says that the premiums are not as high as they projected. Therefore the
government is not spending as much money on subsidies. That says a lot and
you mentioned a little bit earlier that we have the slowest growth in the
overall cost of medical care in the last 50 years. All of those things are
leading us to the conclusion that the law is going to work better than
anticipated. But you know what Ed? A lot of the problems that we`ve had
Republicans who had been -- and they`re saying every single element of this
law and in spite of that .

SCHULTZ: Absolutely

CUMMINGS: . is we`re doing well.

SCHULTZ: Yeah. Look, it`s very clear, its sell hard goes negative as you
could possibly can, scorched earth policy on Obamacare, it doesn`t matter
what the numbers are. The numbers could be 15, 20 million and they`d still
be going after it because they got nothing on the table to replace any of
it other than the negative narrative. I just think that the mainstream
media is starting to buy some of their garbage no matter how good the
numbers are.

Congressman, great to have you with us tonight, I appreciate your time.

CUMMINGS: Good to be with you, Ed.

SCHULTZ: . Elijah Cummings -- you between. Elijah Cummings from Maryland
here on the Ed Show tonight.

Still ahead, Conservatives accuse the President of using raise as a shied
and a sword. Rapid Response Panel weighs in on that.

And later, the right wing lashes out at Jeb Bush over his recently softened
position on immigration. Boy, that got the Republicans all confused.

But next I`m taking your questions, Ask Ed Live just ahead. Stay with us.
We`ll be right back on the Ed Show on MSNBC.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Love hearing from our viewers,
appreciate the questions.

Tonight in our Ask Ed Live segment, our first question comes from Drake.
He wants to know, "Why do the Republicans want to take away insurance from
the poor and the middle class?"

That`s the $64 question Drake. In fact, they don`t even have an answer for

Our next question is from Debbie, "Do you like broadcasting more from the
Northwoods or New York City?"

What do you think Debbie? In the summer time, as soon as the show is over
with, it`s going to be cocktail hour on the pontoon.

Stick around, Rapid Response Panel, coming up next.

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forget about me, forget about me.


HOLDER: You look at the way the Attorney General of United States was
treated yesterday by a House committee. Had nothing to do with me, forget
about that. What attorney general`s ever had to deal with that kind of
treatment? What president has ever had to deal with that kind of


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show.

For anyone living in realty, those comments by Attorney General Eric
Holder, pretty straight forward. This administration has faced
unprecedented obstruction in unprecedented levels of disrespect. The folks
across the street don`t live in reality. In their world, if you discuss
any of this, your race-baiting.


BRIT HUME, POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Strike me ask kind of cry baby stuff
from Holder. My sense about this is that both of Eric Holder and Barack
Obama have benefitted politically, enormously from the fact that they are
African-American and the first to hold the jobs that they hold.

To those two men, race has been both a shield and a sword, that they have
used effectively to defend themselves and to attack others. And I think it
is depressing at this stage in our national life after all we`ve been
through on this issue and given the overwhelming consensus on the issue of
civil rights that this kind of stuff is still going on.

GEORGE WILL, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Liberalism has a kind of Tourette`s
syndrome these days. It`s just constantly saying the word racism and
racist. There`s a kind of intellectual poverty now. Liberalism hasn`t had
a new idea since the 1960s except Obamacare and the country doesn`t like
it. So what do you do? You say anyone criticizes us is a racist. It`s
become a joke among young people. You go to a campus where this kind of
political correctness reigns and some young person will say "looks like
it`s going to rain." The person looks and says, "You`re a racist." I mean
it`s so inappropriate. The constant implication of this, that it is I
think becoming a national mirth.


SCHULTZ: So, is George Will saying that there was no disrespect last week
to the Attorney General?

Joining me now, Rapid Response Panel Michael Eric Dyson, professor at
Georgetown University and MSNBC political analyst and Goldie Taylor, MSNBC
political analyst and columnist for The Grio.

Oh gosh, where do I start? I mean, this is outrageous. So, if the color
of your skin will determine whether you get disrespect or not, I mean,
that`s what I`m taking on Fox News on that one.

Dr. Dyson, I want your reaction. Is Holder a cry baby for responding to
the way where the Republicans have treated him and the president?

ERIC DYSON, GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY: Absolutely not. When I looked around
that table and saw the enormous diversity, both skin and gender and color
and race, of course, we could come up with a consensus that that was a fair
panel. How ludicrous is this is? We know that Sunday mornings have
usually been given over to conservative white men who carve (ph) and
complain to no end about the inability to get access when they have it.
Who carved (ph) about the inability to exercise and influence when they
posses it. Who carved (ph) about the inability to leverage power when they
do it.

So what this is, is the fact that anybody who speaks against the authority,
legitimacy, or the world view of that particular set of people, the
punditocracy, what happens is you come in force (ph) being charged with
playing the race car and it`s not indicated before. If they were playing
the race car, they were dealing the deck that have been handed to them by
centuries of traditions of response .


DYSON: . by the other side. So, I think Eric Holder is not to cry baby,
but he has finally told the truth about what he isn`t do with (ph) silently
all along, and the very moment he speaks up, he has assailed and nailed.

SCHULTZ: Well, Brit Hume, as I see it, is race-baiting by presenting the
position, Goldie, that both Barack Obama and the Attorney General Eric
Holder have used races both a shield and a sword. What`s your response to

GOLDIE TAYLOR, THEGRIO.COM COLUMNIST: You know, Ed, well, it may be true
that this president and this attorney general both received criticism
because they happened to be African-American and don`t receive some
criticism because they happen to be African-American. The president
himself has said that. But for George Will and Brit Hume to brook (ph)
this kind of position and says that they are so drunk with their own
privilege, that they don`t even know that they have it.

That`s how high the high happens to be. But to say that, you know, race
and color and gender don`t inform our public policy formulation process,
it`s execution to say that race and gender and, you know, those things
don`t inform the way that we address one another in this public square, and
to say that it has not impacted this presidency and his overall platform,
you know, it`s a kind of intellectual poverty, I think they really were
talking about.

SCHULTZ: Well, it is an absolute that we have a black president and a
black attorney general. It`s also an absolute that we have the most
obstructed president in the history of the country. Now that`s a
legislative fact.

DYSON: Right.

SCHULTZ: So, I want to go back to Eric Holder. Goldie, in response to the
accusations of race-baiting, Holder pointed out this to The Huffington
Post. He says, "I didn`t say there was a racial component. I was very
careful not to say that." Do you buy it? Who has the issue with race

TAYLOR: You know, and that is the fact that Eric Holder did not say that
he was being discriminated against based upon his color, but I am saying it
for him. I am saying what this attorney general cannot say, what this
president can always necessarily say, that they are being treated
differently, that they are being regarded differently, because someone has
span the color (ph), look through their own cultural (inaudible), and
decided that as an African-American man that they are delegitimizing them
as president, as attorney general that somehow, they aren`t able to step up
to the job and do it in the way that maybe their predecessors have done.
And that maybe, just maybe, this man doesn`t belong in this White House.

They did it when they said that he was probably born in Kenya. They did it
when they challenged his birth certificate. You know, they did it when
they went after Obamacare and said that, you know, "Uncle Sugar was to give
them free health care and free condoms."


TAYLOR: You know, that`s when they`re doing it when they launched (ph)
claim to socialism and marksman and that`s not to say that they have not
derided other presidents, but there is something, something, something
about this president that is different and that lets them go further
without any repercussion.

SCHULTZ: And Dr. Dyson, I watched some of that hearing last week, that
House hearing. And Steve King, Louie Gohmert, they were making the case
that Eric Holder has not gone after people that are Democrats, that Eric
Holder has allowed people that he has had targeted investigations and a
targeted focus from the Justice Department and were very disrespectful.
That`s what he was talking about. It`s Fox News and it`s also these
representatives were talking about that have turned it in to the racial
discussion here.

So, how should the President and the Attorney General handle this kind of
arena going into the last several years of his presidency and also 10 years
as A.G.?

DYSON: Well, maybe it sheds unintended light upon the modus operandi that
the White House has adapted into a certain degree that attorney general in
regards to race. The frustration of African-American, Latino, and other
people of color, about the inability of the President to speak plainly and
boldly about issues of race maybe revealed here. He`s strategy maybe that
the moment I talked about race in America, it becomes exacerbatory. It
doesn`t become revelatory, it`s not insight. There`s more heat than light.
And as a result of that, he is referring from discoursing about race.

So, some people want him to have the commercial, some people say he have
the substance. On the other hand, as Goldie Taylor has brilliantly
indicated here, this is Edgar Allan`s "Purloined Letter." It`s hidden in
plain site.


DYSON: So those of us who understand that races at the hearts of the
relations between Americans here that race is the nexus of political and
social realities, those of us who articulate that truth plainly and
straightforwardly and without obsession, but also without apology, are
seemed to be race-baiters ourselves and we must continue.

TAYLOR: Right.

DYSON: . to heat coals of fire upon the heads of those who refused to
acknowledge the centrality, the legitimacy, and the unavoidability of race
in this particular era.

TAYLOR: Say that.

SCHULTZ: All right. Michael Eric Dyson and Goldie Taylor, great to have
you with us tonight on this very volatile subject to the doctors of
diversity, I guess. You would say when it comes to George Will and Brit

Coming up, presidential 2016 GOP candidates tested the water to the New
Hampshire Freedom Summit this weekend. One of them is today`s Pretenders.
Stick around. We`re right back.


SCHULTZ: And in Pretenders tonight, watered-down Marsha Blackburn, the
Tennessee congresswomen ran off to New Hampshire, the big circus this
weekend. Blackburn spoke at the Freedom Summit in Manchester and according
to her aid, "Put your toe on the lake, tested the waters on a presidential
run." Something really must be in the water in New Hampshire Blackburn
believes. She has a shot in 2016.

Marsha Blackburn wants change in the White House which she can even get
behind change in Congress. Here is what she had to say about Paycheck


BLACKBURN: We`re all for equal pay. I would love for women to be focused
on maximum wage, and I have fought to be recognized with equality for a
long time. A lot of us get tired of guys condescending to us. Our
governor .

BOB SCHIEFFER, CBS HOST: Why did the Senate Republicans have blocked this?

BLACKBURN: Well, because the legislation was something that was going to
be helpful for trial lawyers.

I find this "war on women" rhetoric just almost silly. It is Republicans
that have led the fight for women`s equality.


SCHULTZ: Lots of substance there huh folks. Republicans have led the
fight for equality? Wow. You know where they taken it? Write it into a
brick wall. Blackburn has focused on just one woman. That would be
herself. If Marsha Blackburn thinks the meaning "equality" is the same as
demanding, she can keep on pretending.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. This is the story for the folks who
take a shower after work. Well, a new Republican fight on immigration is
shining a light on a big party divide ahead of the 2016 Presidential Race.
Rand Paul is leading the charge after Jeb Bush made some not so
conservative enough comments on the topic.


FMR. GOV. JEB BUSH, (R) FLORIDA: They cross the border because they have
no other means to work to be able to provide for their family. Yes, they
broke the law, but it`s not a felony. It`s an act of love. It`s an act of
commitment to your family.


SCHULTZ: Well, this leaves Rand Paul con as the odd (ph) man out. So the
senator tried to flip the script.


SEN. RAND PAUL, (R) KENTUCKY: If it were me, what I would have said is,
people who seek the American dream are not bad people. However .

came into this country .

PAUL: . well, then .

KARL: . illegally?

PAUL: . but here`s the way I`d finish up with. They are not bad people.
However, we can`t invite the whole world. When you say they`re doing an
act of love and you don`t follow it up with, but we have to control the
border, people think, well, because they`re doing this for kind reasons,
that the whole world can come to our country.


SCHULTZ: Outliers like Donald Trump are also chiming in.


heard Jeb Bush the other day. And he was talking about people that come
into this country illegally. They do it for love. And I said, say it
again. I didn`t get -- that`s one I`ve never heard of before. I`ve heard
a lot -- I`ve heard money, I`ve heard this, I`ve heard sex, I`ve heard
everything. The one thing I never heard of was love. I understand what
he`s saying, but, you know, it`s out there.


SCHULTZ: There`s one absolute here folks. Conservatives, they didn`t get
the talking points straight. Maybe they should try to get a uniform policy
on immigration. They can`t do immigration because they`ve got an identity
crisis when it comes to diversity.

Mitch Ceasar, Executive Board Director of the Democratic National Committee
in Broward County Democratic Party joins us tonight.

Mitch, good to have you with us out. Look, everything about immigration in
the way I politically view this is all about Florida. Can the Republicans
win Florida if they don`t have a positive stand about what they want to do
on immigration? Your thoughts.

there`s a tremendous national split in the Republican Party nationally.
Some are making about border security. Some are making about national
security. Some are making about cheap labor for west coast farming and so
forth. And almost nobody`s talking about doing the right thing.

I think because of the change in demographic in Florida and nationally in
states like Texas, Arizona, Nevada, Arizona, I think they are going to
bypass any presidential hope. I believe if they can`t win the presidency
in 2016, it maybe going for generation.

SCHULTZ: So did this give, I mean, Jeb Bush really gave him a wake up call
on this. I mean, his comments really triggered some blow back. So where
do they stand now?

CEASAR: I think they stand what they`ve stood before nowhere. You know,
last year, the House in a somewhat bipartisan effort passed the bill and of
course like so many things these days. It dine (ph) to Republican House.
Jeb Bush is trying to come out as he only grown up in the room. What he
forgets is times of change. This isn`t how it used to be. Yes, he`d been
in office. The last time he ran was 10 years ago, and things and
demographics are very different in Florida and very different across the

SCHULTZ: Do the Republicans want to wait until after 2014, the midterms,
to try to do something on immigration? I just don`t see who they can go
into the general without at least showing the American public that they are
concerned about diversity. What do you think?

CEASAR: I`d be very surprised if they did anything before the 2014
election. I think they are going to play it safe. They`re going to keep
their fingers crossed and just talk about Obamacare, although as you said
earlier on the show, they have nothing else to talk about. So they`ll keep
beating that to death. They won`t take them anywhere. I don`t think
there`s any serious change for immigration in this election whether
Republicans acting as phobic as they are.

SCHULTZ: Well, you`ve got them all over the place and it`s going to be
interesting to see who reels them in (ph). They simply will not go for any
form of amnesty whatsoever and any kind of acceptance of those who are
already here who`s going to be viewed his amnesty. This is something that
is going to, I think, walk the Democrats right back to the White House,
whether it`s going to do anything on the Senate or not, remains to be same.

Mitch Ceasar, good to have you with us tonight. Thanks so much.

That`s the Ed Show. I`m Ed Schultz. Politics Nation with Reverend Al
Sharpton starts right now.

Good evening Rev.


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