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April 18, 2014

Guest: Brian Schweitzer, John Fugelsang, Jane Kleeb, Emanuel Cleaver,
Peter DeFazio

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to the Ed
Show live from Detroit Lakes, Minnesota. I`m ready to go. Let`s get to


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We go should go to west and then update now what`s
happening out on the Bundy Ranch.

SEAN HANNITY, SEAN HANNITY SHOW HOST: The most powerful Democrat in
Congress is now officially stepped way over the line.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He doesn`t like Cliven Bundy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Blasted Cliven Bundy`s supporters as domestic

HANNITY: "Domestic terrorists".

hold themselves out to be patriots are not.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know, members in the militia.

REID: They`re nothing more than domestic terrorists.

HANNITY: What do you have to say to the sound of it?

I don`t know what else we`d be. We`re definitely citizens riled up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know, members of the Militia.

REID: I repeat, what went on up there is domestic terrorism.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He thinks Cliven Bundy`s breaking the law.

terrorist? Because he, that man right there, is trying to kill the
American spirit.

REID: We are a company that people should follow the law.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We don`t work for you. You work for us.


SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight folks. Thanks for

Dirty Harry, tell it like it is. I`m all about it. Make my day.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and I affectionately call him Dirty Harry
because this is what it`s all about, right? Going right back at him. He
is calling out the lawbreaking Nevada Rancher Cliven Bundy and on the flip
side, here we go, they`re all getting in the party now.

Fox News is still defending Bundy and they are now attacking Harry
Reid. Harry Reid`s the problem now. Harry Reid has every right to
criticize this rogue lawbreaker.

On Thursday, Harry Reid put Bundy right in his place.


REID: These people who hold themselves out to be patriots are not.
They`re nothing more than domestic terrorist and I think that we are in a
country that people should follow the law and what went up in Mesquite is
not very good. I repeat, what went on up there is domestic terrorism.


SCHULTZ: I think Harry Reid is exactly right in calling Bundy a
domestic terrorist. Tell it like it is Harry. Bundy has stolen a million
dollars from the American people. He`s used a lawless militia to take on
the federal government and get his cattle back. This is beyond late fees
folks. This is flat-out theft is what it is.

Senator Reid went on to highlight the severity of the situation.


REID: It`s an issue that we cannot let go and just walk away from it.
Keep in mind, what happened up there, there were hundreds, hundreds of
people all around the country that came in. They had sniper rifles on the
free-way, they had assault weapons and automatic weapons and as the -- one
of the former sheriff from Arizona said and he wad children and women lined
up because -- what if anyone got hurt, we want to make sure they got hurt
first because we don`t want the federal government hurting women and


SCHULTZ: Now, right after Harry Reid made those comments, Fox News
rushed to defend Bundy and criticized the Senator from Nevada.

Fox News guest and film maker Dennis Lynch, he was present at Saturday
standoff. Lynch dramatically from the heart, from the gut told Megyn
Kelly, "Reid was lying about women and children being put in harms way."
He mad it very clear that he was on the front lines.


LYNCH: I was at the front of the front line. I heard nobody say that
we were going to put women and children first. Nobody said that.


SCHULTZ: Everybody got that? Very clear. Well, Dennis Lynch should
really watch Fox News.


strategizing to put all the women up at the front.

If they`re going to start shooting that`s going to be women that are
going to be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue
federal officers.


SCHULTZ: So who do you want to believe? We have a discrepancy here
on Fox Network.

Well, it seems to me like they got a horrible journalist on the
payroll. Fox News` coverage of this situation is a total joke and it is
agenda driven. They are promoting a lawmaker and defending armed
insurrection against the government. And now, we know, again, that they
are reporting lies. All you have to do is play the tape of their own

Cliven Bundy has now appeared on Sean Hannity Show six times. His
airtime on Fox has topped 46 minutes. And last night, Cliven Bundy
responded to Senator Reid`s comment.


HANNITY: When you hear Senator Harry Reid call you a domestic
terrorist? What do you have to say to the senator?

BUNDY: Well, I guess he`s right. I don`t know what else would be.
We`re definitely citizens riled up. I don`t know why he could call us
terrorist. There`s the most loving people here I ever tend to like. And
we`re meeting here together and they`re definitely upset about this
government that pulled their gun on as .


SCHULTZ: Well, I`m glad Cliven Bundy agreed to Senator Harry Reid
that he is a terrorist. Luckily for Bundy, Fox News is very talented at
trash talking Harry Reid.


HANNITY: The most powerful Democrat in Congress is now officially
stepped way over the line when it comes to this rhetoric about rancher
Cliven Bundy.

LYNCH: That look like Afghanistan. And if there was anything that
was domestic terrorism, it was perpetuated by the government, not by the

MEGYN KELLY, THE KELLY FILE HOST: As his son is saying, we should
sort of de-escalate things. Harry Reid seems to be upping the rhetoric.

LYNCH: Democrats will sit there and say, "Crazy Tea Partiers, crazy
Militia, crazy Americans, domestic terrorists." Listen, you know how
passionate I am about terrorism. I witnessed 9/11.

KELLY: People are suggesting that the Harry Reid had some stake in
this whole matter and that he was against the rancher Cliven Bundy for
political purposes. He wanted the land for development or other people who
pat his political pocket. None of which has been substantiated.

LYNCH: It is just respectful to Americans for that man to call these
people terrorists. He is the terrorist and as far I`m concerned in this

KELLY: Mr. Reid is the one who`s calling more attention to this. It
was over. People were moving on. He is the one who keeps stoking this


SCHULTZ: No Megan, wrong, wrong again. Fox News keeps stoking this

This is Fox News anchors putting their backwards anti-government
ideology right into the story. Fox News has ripped every single scab of
doubt that this is what it`s all about. They hate the federal government.
Now, they`re trying to make Harry Reid the target. He`s the bad guy for
telling the truth.

Consume this, my friends. This is a picture of a sniper. We showed
this earlier this week. But this is what Harry is talking about. This is
a sniper on Saturday aiming his riffle as federal agents. Are you curious
what motivated this guy to assume a combat position? A trained combat
position? Is this guy paranoid?

Who`s the guy in the crosshairs? What`s he thinking? I want Fox News
anchors to defend this guy right there. Tell me this is standard operating
procedure when you are at a position with a representative government.
What do you think average Americans think of this picture?

Let`s get the commonsense meter out for just a moment. This guy is in
a position to do a terrorist act. He has no authority. He is in a
position to take someone`s life. That right there is the picture of a
domestic terrorist.

This situation on Saturday was emboldened by Fox News coverage in this
story. Sean Hannity has even admitted he played a role in the standoff.


HANNITY: In my mind, there`s no doubt the fact that so many people
showed up to support you and I would even argue a little bit that the media
coverage that myself and some other people have given to this case played a
part in this because none of it made sense.


SCHULTZ: Yeah, you do it Sean. You played a part in it. Earlier
this week, we proved Cliven Bundy is an absolute freeloader. The
dictionary defines freeloader as a person who was supported by another
without making an adequate return.

Now, I want to pull up the definition of terrorism. The definition --
the dictionary defines terrorism as this, as the use of violence and
intimidation in the pursuit of political aims. Let`s go back to the
picture if we can to the guy. Let`s go back to the picture of the guy
behind the wall on the highway.

Do you think that he might be intimidating anybody? Do you think that
you would feel comfortable if you knew that you were doing your job as a
federal agent and there is some guy behind a wall that`s got you in the
crosshairs? Would you feel someone intimidated?

Do you think that federal agents aren`t human beings? They`re doing
their job, because the guy down there owes a million dollars. That is
exactly who Fox News is defending. That is exactly what Cliven Bundy is
doing, intimidating people. He is without doubt a terrorist.

Harry Reid is showing leadership when he is telling the truth and he`s
got the guts to do it. He`s showing Americans that you can`t be
intimidated by these extreme right-wing, anti-government lawbreakers, and
make their mistake, make no mistake.

The people with the guns out there on the desert, they are voting
Republican. The Republican Party has been on a mission since 1981 to be
anti-government. It all started with Uncle Ronnie Reagan.


this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. The
government is the problem.


SCHULTZ: Oh yeah, that`s where it all started. That planted the seed
that the federal government doesn`t do anything right in anybody who
represents the federal government is an easy target. Harry Reid is calling
out a party that will not separate themselves from this kind of nut jobs
with guns who show up from around the country that aren`t rancherly,
neighborly folks.

Oh, it`s the next farm over. Oh, it`s the next ranch over. Oh no,
it`s not. These are extremists who gathered from all around the country
because they thought there was going to be a showdown, an O.K. Corral with
the federal government. Harry Reid, he is exactly doing it the right way.

The Fox News should be ashamed of themselves for promoting and
defending a lawbreaker. Now, I`m going to expect to see Eric Bolling put a
picture of that sniper up on the air and defend that guy for doing that.
Defend that man and that combat position.

What`s the difference between that guy right there and somebody who
drives up in front of your house with a bomb in the backseat and somebody
calls you, you say, "Hey you know that guy out front? You know, he has a
bomb at the back of his car." Would you think that you`re being targeted?
Would you think that that is an act of terrorism? You damn right you

So that`s why Harry Reid is calling these people domestic terrorists.
We need to call it what they are. We need to call it the way we say it.
These are facts.

Now, $1 million, you know, if Fox is so determined to defend this
Bundy guy, why don`t they act like him?

Megyn Kelly and Sean Hannity, what are you paying taxes for? It`s a
federal government. Why don`t you imitate this guy? I think Fox News
wants a shootout. I think Fox News wants a shootout at the O.K. Corral. I
don`t think they can get enough of this stuff.

Get your cell phones. I want to know what you think tonight`s
question. "Do you agree with Harry Reid for calling Cliven Bundy a
domestic terrorist?" Text A for yes, text B for no to 67622, you can
always go to our blog We`ll bring you the results later on
in the show.

For more I want to bring in MSNBC Contributor and Former Montana
Governor Brian Schweitzer. Governor, good to have you with us tonight.


SCHULTZ: Your thoughts on this situation, the way it`s being covered,
the way this lawbreaker is being portrayed, your reaction to Harry Reid
calling Bundy a domestic terrorist.

SCHWEITZER: Harry Reid grew up in Searchlight Nevada. Harry Reid
knows western range law and he knows Nevada law. You notice, there`s no
cattlemen that are standing beside Bundy.

The Nevada Cattlemen Association, the Stock Grower Associations from
across the west are not with this guy. They know that the Taylor Grazing
Act was passed in 1934 so that there would an organized way of grazing
cattle on federal land. They understand that we were overgrazing the
resource and we needed to have some organization and they support what the
BLM does.

This guy Bundy is -- I mentioned before, I think he is a grifter.
This guy has -- he has brands on his cattle. And the federal government is
going to collect this money, they have a court order. And when you own
cattle in the west, you brand them with a hot iron brand and that brand
will stay on that animal for the rest of its life.

There are only two livestock barns in Nevada. He is either going to
have to ship them up to Fallon to Salem or he is going to have to take him
in the Utah and he needs a brand inspection either way. When a brand
inspector looks at that animal, they`re going to see that there`s a lean on
it and when he sells those cattle, the check is going to be sent to the
federal government, because the court has already ordered this guy to pay
this bill.

And so, that brand that belongs to Cliven Bundy is on those cattle and
the federal government going to evade (ph). That is what happens with a
law abiding citizen.

Now, apparently, Bundy has organized a group of nerdy walls (ph) from
all across this country. These are not cattlemen. They are not people of
the land. They are just people that want to stir up trouble and apparently
Fox News wants to be part of that group.

SCHULTZ: Governor, is there anything that state officials can do to
defuse this situation on a state level or is this guy just simply

SCHWEITZER: Well, there is and it`s on a state level. But the state
brand inspectors, when he ships.


SCHWEITZER: . those cattle to market and you can`t -- you don`t raise
cattle just to keep him. At some point, you got to sell them. So it will
be the brand inspectors for the state of Nevada that will have a lean in
their pocket from the federal government. And when he tries to ship those
cattle to market, they will take up those papers and send that check to the
federal government. That`s just the way the laws work in Nevada and you
can`t have .


SCHWEITZER: . a civilized society unless you can do such a thing.

SCHULTZ: So there`s nothing the governor should do, there`s nothing
the Ag Commissioner should do or anybody in any government position. Just
let this thing go and nail him in his pocketbook and that`s going to be the
end of it. Is that your solution on this? That`s the way you think it
should be handled?

SCHWEITZER: No, that is the financial solution to this. The guy is
still .


SCHWEITZER: . a lawbreaker and he has thumped his nose at the law
enforcement. He was trying to belittle the sheriff the other day in front
of a group of people saying, "Why aren`t you pointing your guns at those
Federal Officials, why are you here and not doing something about putting
them in jail?" Well, the sheriff is a law abiding citizen and he is law
enforcement. Of course he understands .


SCHWEITZER: . there`s a court order that has already been issued
against Bundy and he`s going to support that.

SCHULTZ: I`m stunned at Fox News and what they`re doing. I`m just
absolutely stunned.

Governor Brian Schweitzer great to have you with us tonight, I
appreciate your time on this.

Let me bring in liberal commentator and broadcaster John Fugelsang.
John, your take on this entire situation and the way the network, Fox News,
is promoting this and covering it and giving cover and support to Bundy,
your thoughts.

Hannity this excited to send other people out to get shot since the Iraq
War. So I`m very happy to talk about this.

We should thank Sean Hannity and Rancher Bundy for teaching us that
patriot now means a guy with guns who wants free stuff. I`m a bit shocked
that Harry Reid would use the language of terrorist when really anarchist,
moocher, or welfare cowboy is speaking the GOP`s own language.

And believe me, if he called him an anarchist, moocher or welfare
cowboy, Fox wouldn`t be replaying it. You got to use this people`s own
logic against them. And you know this, Ed. If you`re going to use
something that`s not yours, you should pay for it. And you think a state
with legalized prostitution might understand that.

SCHULTZ: Now, do you think Bundy is a domestic terrorist? And did
Harry Reid go too far in telling it like it is? I mean, his description
was very clear. He talked about how the groups got together, what they are
carrying, and how they used the women and children as props, your thoughts.

FUGELSANG: Well, again, I have to disagree with you Ed. But I think
Harry Reid may have misstepped in that use of language. As you saw Fox
News had a field day with the senator for using the word terrorist. This
guy is a moocher, this guy is a grifter, and I think the governor was right
in saying so.

I do think that there`s other ways that Harry Reid could have gotten
across that would have inspired the base. This is all about 2014s midterm
elections. And Sean Hannity is terrified that more of his interns are
sending resumes to Megyn Kelly Show.

He`s going to try and make his bones on this as much as he can. And
you`re right about one thing Ed, these guys really do want blood shed. I
think what Harry Reid did just inflamed the tensions and is going to
inspire even more of these yahoos to out there and vote. This is all
selfishness. I would say it was terrorism if Rancher Bundy had political
aims, but it wasn`t. He was just trying to screw over you and me, and the
tax payers to make a buck. And this is the history, the ugly history of
American selfishness. We have gone from manifest destiny to American
exceptionalism to whatever, I do what I want.

SCHULTZ: All right John Fugelsang, good to have you with us tonight .

FUGELSANG: Always a pleasure.

SCHULTZ: . and I appreciate your time on the Ed Show. Thanks so

Remember to answer tonight`s question right there at the bottom of the
screen, share your thoughts with us on Twitter@edshow, like us on Facebook.
We appreciate that. We want to know what you think.

Coming up, breaking news on the President`s decision on the Keystone
XL Pipeline as the cowboy and Indian alliance rise into Washington D.C.

Plus, Democrats go on offense with eight million reasons to vote blue
in November.

Trenders is next. Stay with us, we`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: Time now for the Trenders. What`s hot, what`s not? Social
media this morning hook up with us and that is @edshow on the Twitter
handle, thanks for doing that. And on Sirius XM radio Channel 127, is
where you can hear the radio show, the Ed Schultz Show, Monday through
Friday, noon to 3:00 p.m.

And the Ed Show Social Media Nation has decided. And we are reporting
tonight. Here`s what`s happening, here are today`s top Trenders voted on
by you. Here are today`s top trenders voted on by you.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Breaking, search for pregnancy underway.

SCHULTZ: The number three Trender, great expectations.

AMERICA: I`d like to be a grandfather and I would like to have a happy
wife and she won`t be unless she`s a grandmother.

mind one of those grandchildren that I hear so much about.

SECRETARY OF STATE HILLARY CLINTON: Mark and I are very exited that we
have our first child arriving later this year.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pregnancy (inaudible).



SCHULTZ: The Former First Family is expecting their first grandchild.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Excited to add a new line to my Twitter bio.
Grandfather to be. Bill Clinton wrote.

H. CLINTON: Obviously, we are very excited about what`s happening in
our family.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So how do you think she looks like?


C. CLINTON: I just hoped that I will be as good a mom to my child and
hopefully children as my mom was to me.

SCHULTZ: The number two Trender, Jurassic ark.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The issue of how big the ark was and how many
animals it`s going to hold.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re talking about a boat that approximately 459
feet long, 75 feet wide and 50 foot tall. That`s a big old boat, some
people that like to mock and ridicule, probably put the big old dinosaur on

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re going to need a bigger boat.

SCHULTZ: Creationist float a dino sized theory.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`d suggestion to you they didn`t take the big old


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They were taking the younger ones.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m a baby, you got to love me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s plenty of rooms for the animals.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You got to love me, come on got to love me.

SCHULTZ: And today`s top Trender, eight is enough.

AMERICA: The number of American which signed up for private insurance in
the market places has grown to eight million.

SCHULTZ: That`s a hot number. Eight million?

OBAMA: This thing is working.

SCHULTZ: President Obama pushes Dems to be proud of Obamacare.

OBAMA: Democrats should forcefully defend and be proud and we`re
helping because of something we did.


OBAMA: I don`t think we should apologize for it. I don`t think we
should be defensive about it. I think the there`s strong good right story
to tell.


SCHULTZ: Joining me tonight Congressman Emanuel Cleaver of Missouri.
Congressman, great to have you with us.

I love the president when he says, "Forcefully defend and be proud
of." Eight million American have signed up, millions more eligible for
Medicaid. Why wouldn`t the Democrats, why would there be any hesitation
whatsoever to step out on the road and tell the American people, "Vote for
me. I was a part of this. It`s good for Americans, good for you."? What
about that congressman? Good to have you with us.

REP. EMANUEL CLEAVER, (D) MISSOURI: It`s good to be with you, Ed. I
do think that many Democrats are willing to stand up and speak out on this
very successful program. Eight million American have now signed up. And
just think about it, there are other people who are angry, who are
frustrated because eight million people now have insurance. And members of
congress should be proud. I voted for the ACA and I am so proud that I
could actually -- sitting down right here on your show.

So I think that`s what got to do. When the wind is blowing, we need
to set our sails and it`s blowing in our favor. We`re having more and more
signing up. And they are young people. The trend is toward young people,
which is the group we need to have if this program is going to work.
People who are healthy, people that insurance companies like to provide
insurance coverage for. So the president has a right be proud. And all of
us who voted for the act also must stand up and say, "I voted for it and
here`s why and this is the reason America is better today because of that

SCHULTZ: Well, if this is the sign of the times of what`s going to
the Republicans on the road, I think we`ve got -- might have gotten our
first example. Constituents are questioning why Republicans don`t have a
plan beyond repealing Obamacare. Here`s what Congressman Dennis Ross ran
into, this is what he had to say to a constituent when he was asked about
the party tried to repeal the law 50 times but they never tried to replace
it, here it is.


DENNIS ROSS, AMERICAN DIPLOMAT: It was unfortunate is for the next
six months we`re going to go into an election knowing that we`re not going
to do anything to address healthcare because that we got so far the last
three years saying, no. But we don`t have an alternative to say yes to.


SCHULTZ: That`s an admission of guilt right there Congressman, the
inaction finally catching up with the do nothing Republican Party. Is this
the way it`s going to play out?

CLEAVER: Well, this exactly the way it`s going to play out. They
have this obsession with the Affordable Care Act. I don`t understand it.
I sit in the chamber and I watch people who come to the floor who are some
of the Americans stood and spoke eloquently. They come to the floor and
make these speeches. Most of them are nonsensical about a program that`s
working. And it`s almost as if it is driving some of them absolutely nutty
that the program is now working. We had a rocky start. The president
said, we`re going straighten things out, they did. We`re moving. The
Republicans are still stuck on repeal.

When we get back in about 10 days from now, I`m expecting new
legislation to repeal Obamacare or the Affordable Care Act and do not
believe that there is one single opinion on how to make it better that will
be in any piece of legislation. And that had to say something to the
American public.

SCHULTZ: You know, if you look at the last couple of elections, the
Democrats have outnumbered the Republicans when it comes to the get out to
vote. Wouldn`t this be a motivator for -- in an off year election to get
the president out on the road and to tell these stories?

I mean the president says, "Forcefully defend and be proud of." I
mean to me, that would motivate people to come out and vote and saying that
there`s more where that came from if you put Democrats in office. And yet
some Democrats are running around talking about fixing Obamacare. Eight
million people have fixed it. They`ve changed their lives with this. What
kind of a role do you think the president can play in the midterms?

CLEAVER: Well, I think he can play a significant role in many states.
There are some states like Louisiana and maybe even Arkansas where the
president probably is not going to help Democrats.

However, there are a lot of other states that we have a chance to win.
I think the president have to go to New Hampshire. I think the president
have to certainly go to Florida. I think the president can come to
Missouri and he`s certainly welcome to its largest City, Kansas City,
Missouri because this is something to be proud of.

And I think that the real danger that I don`t think a Republicans are
thinking about, is that the people who are signing up are young. And I
think as they sign up and hear people talk about how horrible it is, they
don`t say, "Hey, these people don`t want me to have insurance." And I
think that`s going to push people into our column, even in an off year
election when young people and minorities don`t normally vote.

SCHULTZ: 35 percent of the eight million are under 35. Those are
young families that are going to appreciate what some in Congress have done
to make their lives better, no doubt about it.

Congressman Emanuel Cleaver, always good to have your with us.

CLEAVER: Good to be with you, Ed.

SCHULTZ: Good to have you on the Ed Show. Thanks so much. You bet.

A Nevada rancher is getting attention for his illegal stand off on
federal land.

Meanwhile, hundreds of farmers and Native Americans are taking their
legitimate fight over land rights to Washington. We have some breaking
news on this story.

Plus, the young woman who risked everything to put a human face on
immigration reform in the fight ahead.

But next, I`m taking your questions, Ask Ed Live right here on the Ed
Show in MSNBC. We`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Love the questions, thanks for
being a part of it.

Tonight`s Ask Ed Live segment, our first questions comes from Michael.
He wants to know, "Do you like it when Republicans attack you?"

Well, I`m human, I mean, I don`t like it when anybody attacks me. But
I`ve learned to not give a damn. I`ve learned not to care. Consider the
source. No, it didn`t bother me.

All right. Our next question is from Heather. "What are doing for
Easter this year?" That`s what she wants to know.

Well, Heather I thought you`d never asked. We`re home at the lake
with the family and here it is, it`s a big old ham. This baby is naturally
glazed ham, naturally cured ham, it`s smoked by our local butcher shop here
in Detroit Lakes and this baby is going on the Holland Grill. And yes, I`m
putting the big hat on too.

Stick around. Breaking news on Keystone XL is coming up next. We`ll
be right back.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Breaking news on the Keystone
XL Pipeline. The State Department is extending the government comment
period. The move came after a State Department meeting with Congressional
members who were clearly divided on the issue. This means President Obama
will not make a final decision on the pipeline until the end of the year
and this will be of course after the midterms.

Meanwhile, a group of ranchers, farmers, and Native Americans calling
themselves the Cowboy and Indian Alliance is riding into Washington, D.C.
next week. They will set up camp near the White House to ask the president
of the United States to reject the pipeline. This is not the first time
some of these folks have traveled to the nation`s capital with this
mission. Members of Bold Nebraska, a group works working to stop
TransCanada share their stories with me when I visited Nebraska.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s time to step up and say no.

SCHULTZ: This fight for land in rights has forged new alliance is on
the political horizon in Nebraska.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I used to think whoever you elected in an office,
you know, they were working for you .

SCHULTZ: For you.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: . for the guy that got him in.

SCHULTZ: That`s not the way it`s happening?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I lost trust now (ph).

so successful. We really have been kind of teaching each other along the

thankful and appreciative of the support and the efforts that our friends,
you know, Indian and non-Indian throughout the country are showing.


From ranchers to farmers to Native Americans, this is an alliance that
cultures never seen before on the political landscape.

LITTLE ELK: We are very pleased with our brothers and sisters in
Nebraska in their recent land (ph).

KLEEB: As Americans, we now have to translate this power that we`ve
developed as citizens to electoral power. That`s going to be challenge
that we`re facing in 2014 as well as 2015. Because we have the energy and
we have the power amongst that. And now, we have to essentially say,
"Look, these folks who said that they`re representing us, who said also
it`s a good things, never were here for us. And we`ve got to elect new
people who are actually going to have our backs."

SHANNON GRAVES, KEYSTONE XL OPPONENT: We`re going to have a bigger
impact on the upcoming elections.

SCHULTZ: Some feel this entire Keystone XL Pipeline issue is going to
change Nebraska`s political future.

KLEEB: There`s no question on my mind.

GRAVES: I have a registered Republican that`s going to vote for a
Democratic senator. How`s that for you?

KLEEB: If anybody that thinks this was flash in the pan or small
minority of people has not been paying attention.

Ed, I`m actually a Republican, I have been for 41 years, 42 years
registered Republican. And I`m extremely disappointed in them. You know,
it`s just -- and I`m sure the Democrats same way, but this appears to me
the Republican Party has, you know, they just become the political wing for
corporate American.

GRAVES: And we`re all brought together as an alliance, an alliance by
its definition is a group of people working for a common goal.


SCHULTZ: Joining me now on the phone from Nebraska, Jane Kleeb of the
organization Bold Nebraska, who has been on the forefront of these fights
against the pipeline. Jane, thanks for your quick time here tonight on the
program. Your reaction to the State Department delaying this decision by
extending the comment period to the end of the year? This is a victory of
sorts, is it not?

KLEEB: It`s a huge victory and so we`re very happy on this Good
Friday. We think that this is a huge victory for not only citizens and
landowners but for the travel communities that were working side by side
with. You know, the president clearly, you know, there was rumors that the
president maybe was going to approved the pipeline in June and there`s
always rumors around the pipeline. But we always believe that the
President was going to do what he`s been saying all along which is he wants
to follow the process.

We know since Nebraska does not have a legal route, they can`t move
forward with the decision on the pipeline, so this was the right move.

SCHULTZ: TransCanada president and CEO Russ Girling has released a
statement just a bit ago on the heels of this extended comment period. He
says, "We are also disappointed the United States will continue to rely on
the suspect and aggressive foreign leaders for the 8 to 9 million barrels
of oil that is imported everyday. A stable secure supply of oil from
Canada and from the United States makes better sense and I am sure the
majority of Americans agree."

That`s what TransCanada is saying. That`s their reaction to the State
Department extending the comment period. What`s your reaction to that?

KLEEB: You know, it`s amazing that TransCanada continues to portray
themselves as an American company. You know, last time I checked, Canada
was not part of the United States. They are still a foreign oil company,
and worst, they`re foreign Tar Sands Company. And to use terrorism to try
to scare Americans and to supporting their pipeline is exactly what folks
did during the Iraq war. We are not going to let that happen anymore.

The only way to make sure that we are stable with our energy sources
is to make sure we have a diversified source of energy, which means getting
less oil and gas and getting more solar and renewal energy. That`s the
solution, not more scare tactics and misleading facts from TransCanada.

SCHULTZ: All right. We`re joined by Jane Kleeb of Bold Nebraska in
Nebraska tonight on the heels of these. And I want to point out that both
Speaker Boehner and your Congressman Lee Terry used the word shameful in
their criticism of these delay. In a statement Boehner said, "With tens of
thousands of American jobs on the line and our allies in Eastern Europe
looking for energy leadership from America, it`s clear there is little this
Administration isn`t willing to sacrifice for politics." Your response to
that Jane.

KLEEB: The only thing that`s shameful is Representative Terry
continues to do the bidding of big oil rather than standing with Republican
farmers and rancher in his state. When it comes the time to protecting
property rights, where is the Republican Party? If this is a green energy
pipeline, could you imagine Ed, if this was a windmill company trying to
use eminent domain against American landowners for formed owned project?
You would see the Republican Party open arms, and the Tea Party would be
having rallies everyday.

Where are they? We`re here standing with landowners .

SCHULTZ: Does it .

KLEEB: . travel communities are standing with landowners. So we`re
not going to take it anymore. And I bet you, this is going to be the issue
that sends Representative Terry home next election cycle.

SCHULTZ: And finally, are you surprised that this public comment
period has been extended. I mean, what do you think forced this?

KLEEB: You know, I think what forces was the Nebraska route issue.
They can`t move forward with the rejection or -- and approval of the
pipeline if the Nebraska route is still in question. And then, you know,
we still have now this lingering issue of the South Dakota permit is about
to expire and they`ll be without a route in South Dakota. You know,
honestly Ed, I think this project is going to collapse on its own weight.

And the only people to blame are the Republicans who pushed all these
false deadlines on the president, which forced him to reject it the first
time, and then the other people to blame are TransCanada for being so
arrogant with their bullying of the landowners that made people stand up to
them. And so, in the end it .


KLEEB: . will get rejected and we will win.

SCHULTZ: All right, Jane Kleeb, Bold Nebraska with us tonight here on
the Ed show. Thanks so much for you`re time. I appreciate it. Tune in
all next week for more on our special series "Divided Heartland: The
American Debate."

Coming up, Stossel rhymes with fossil. Fox News host John Stossel
makes a bold claim about fossil fuels and clean energy. Pretenders is


SCHULTZ: And in Pretenders tonight, fossil fool, John Stossel. The
Fox News libertarian mouth piece is celebrating Earth Day this year by
peddling big oil.


JOHN STOSSEL, HOST, "STOSSEL" ON FBN: I do cheer for fossil fuels
because that`s the only way poor people and there are billions still in
poverty can lift themselves out of poverty because the other stuff isn`t
good enough.


SCHULTZ: Poverty in climate change are linked. But the so called
investigative journalist is missing the facts. The poor will suffer the
most as climate change brings food shortages, extreme storms and
temperatures. In fact, the president of the World Bank Group points out.
"The poor will be hit first and hardest. This means the people who are
least responsible for raising the Earth`s temperature may suffer the
gravest consequences from global warming."

Of course, we could just stick with Stossel`s bright idea and just
hope for the best.


STOSSEL: There is some evidence that were connected. But are we
doing most of it? Is it going to be a big problem? Can we do anything
about it? No, no, no.


SCHULTZ: We`ve gone from no evidence to some evidence. Are we moving
you Johnny? He is full of more hot air than the ozone. If Stossel thinks
fossil fuels will power a clean and prosperous future, he can keep on


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed show. This is the story for the
folks who take a shower after work.

As the debate on emigration reforms heats up, you`re going to hear a
lot of numbers tossed around, numbers like 11 million. There are currently
over 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the shadows here in the
United States. But numbers, you know, we can get numb to the numbers.
Numbers, you know, doesn`t really bring us the real human impact of what
this story is and what`s going on.

Numbers don`t do this story or the issue justice. Every single one of
those 11 million people have their own story to tell. Sometimes, it takes
an active courage, guts like this exchange at an event hosted by the
Clinton Foundation to put a real face on U.S. Immigration Policy.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have a very different class feeling and some
of the girls are exhibiting here. For the first time publicly, I want to
say that I`m an undocumented immigrant.

That I want to stay that it does make surely difficult for me to
empower myself in America, because I came here legally when I was five and
it was very hard because I don`t have the documentation here to get a job,
to vote for which is essential obviously to women representation, to buy an
apartment, to take out a loans, to go to college.

So, I couldn`t even go to my dream college because of that. To get no
financial aid, what do we need to do to put this in priority when it comes
to Congress? Because this is an extreme class feeling for me that I can`t
even control, not even as a woman, but not even as human.


SCHULTZ: So, what has a greater impact on you as a consumer, the
number 11 million or that story right there? There`s millions of stories
like that and we sit here as a country and do nothing about it. That was a
dreamer. That was a woman, a young girl, who wants to be a part of it all,
but we`re not letting her do it because we can`t move Congress forward.

Joining me tonight, Congressman Peter Defazio of Oregon. Congressman,
great to have to you with us tonight. I appreciate your time. What is
your response to that girl`s story? And we know there`s millions of
stories like that out there Congressman.

REP. PETER DEFAZIO, (D) OREGON: Well, we`ve pass the Dream Act in the
House in 2010 before the Republicans take over. It was bipartisan vote.
It was the right thing to do. A lot of these young people were brought
here as infants or very young children by their parents. Some of them
don`t even speak the language of their parents in native country.

For all intents and purposes, they are Americans, they`ve gone to high
school here. They want to go on to college. They want to build a life
here. They, you know, they are for all intents and purposes, Americans.
But technically, they aren`t, they can`t as she said qualify for loans,
they can`t legally work. We need to take care of that problem. There`s an
even bigger problem, obviously, dealing with their parents and other people
who don`t have a children.

I mean, look, this bill passed to Senate, Ed, by a 68 to 32. What
passes the unbelievably partisan Senate, 68 to 32? I had a guy stand up at
a town meeting and said, "Congressman, amnesty. You`re doing amnesty."
This is horrible. I should (inaudible) here. Let me tell you, this isn`t
exactly amnesty. This is a top fill.

13-year process, register with the government, pay thousands of dollar
in fines, pay back taxes, pay for your own criminal background check
conducted by the government, pass the background check, then you`ll have a
10-year waiting period during which you must stay employed. You can`t get
any federal benefits. You can`t commit any infractions. You have to learn
English. And at the end of those 10 years, if you`ve met all those
qualifications, you pay some more fines and then you can get a green card.
And then after that, in three years, you can apply to get inline for

That isn`t exactly amnesty. This is a tough process for people to get
through, but it would allow them to come out of the shadow so they couldn`t
be exploited anymore by unscrupulous employers. And it has meaningful
employer sanctions. Why are most of these people here? They came into
this country or overstayed their visas to work. And they were working here
illegally, many of them for unscrupulous employers and undermining the
labor market.

SCHLUTZ: So Congressman, what is that going to take to get the House,
the Republicans? And it is the republicans. They`re the problem on this.
What does it going to take to get them to move? Because if they get power,
they`re not going to do any of this.

DEFAZIO: Well, we`ve got three on the House bill. Remember, we`ve
got a 199 members the United States House Representatives on a bill very
similar to the Senate bill, a bill that passed the Senate 68 to 32. And
all you need is 218 to pass a bill. We`re .


DEFAZIO: . pretty darn close. If it just came to the floor for a
vote, if the speaker just said, "OK, we`ll let you vote on it." I`m
willing to bet. We would get the other 19 votes. We would probably get a
lot more than that. But a lot of people aren`t going to put their neck on
the line until they know it`s actually going to happen.

SCHULTZ: All right. Congressman Peter Defazio, thanks for being with
us tonight. I appreciate your time and stay on point. This is a huge
issue for America, no doubt.

That`s the Ed Show. I`m Ed Schultz. Politics is an issue with
Reverend Al Sharpton starts right now.

Happy Easter Rev., hope you have a great weekend.


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