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April 28, 2014

Guests: Michael Eric Dyson, Goldie Taylor, Bob Shrum, P.J. Carlesinuo

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to the Ed Show.
It`s after 5:00. Let`s get to work.


things. Hispanics feel certain things towards black. Blacks feel certain
things towards other groups.

CLIVEN BUNDY, NEVADA RANCHER: And I`ve often wondered, were they better
off as slaves?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Racism, according to the Supreme Court is a thing of
the past.

UNIDENTIFED MALE: This decision strikes down a key part of the Voting
Rights Act.

SEAN HANNITY, HOST, THE SEAN HANNITY SHOW: Do you think in 1965, Barrack
Obama, a Black American could be elected president? Do you think that
would happen in `65?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. Of course not.

HANNITY: OK. So the world changed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But I think -- I think --

HANNITY: My point. That`s Robert`s point.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, it`s not the point.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If it hurts a bunch of lazy blacks, it will (inaudible)
the government (inaudible) that so be it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re out of your cotton picking mind. And of course
the attack for repressing (ph) cotton picking.

BUNDY: Because they never learned how to pick cotton.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I ease what I ease, and I`m not changing (ph).

STERLING: It`s been that way historically and it will always be that way.


SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight folks. Thanks for watching.

You know, I think that all of the hate talk that this country has been
exposed to by Right-wing talkers in the Conservative media has really
helped gin up the kind of garbage we`ve had to put out with over this
weekend and the story that the country is in the middle of right now.
We`re back talking about race. Why? Because the culture club just can`t
quite seem to get it together what 2014 is all about. This guy right here
has said some of the most vial things ever about President Obama. It gives
them license. It emboldens them to indict an entire race and they even
write a budget that aligns with this kind of thinking. Oh, oh there is a

Now, last week on this program, we were just wondering how many Cliven
Bundys are actually out there across America. Well, it turns out they are
everywhere. They are even in the National Basketball Association as
Charles Barkley says we are black league. You can find racism there. It`s
the man this time.

Racism is still alive in America. Case and point, registered Republican
Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling. He`s the latest example of the
Bundy clan. The billionaire businessman was eligibly caught on tape making
a serious of blatant racist remarks.

Sterling was upset with his girlfriend for posting this picture on
Instagram that she took with one of the old time great human beings Magic
Johnson. You know how unselfish Magic Johnson has been with this wealth to
create jobs in America and do things for people? Probably a lot more than
Bundy or Sterling.

After Sterling found out that this was posted, he eligibly made these
racist comments.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: People call you and say that I have black people on
my Instagram. And it bothers you.

STERLING: Yeah. It bothers me a lot. If you want to broadcast that
you`re associating with black people. Do you have to?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You associate with black people. I saw someone I
admire. I admire Magic Johnson.




UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He`s made a lot of changes for his community, for the
world, for the people, for the minorities. He`s helped a lot of people.

STERLING: Why are you forcing this down my throat? I`m finished talking
to you. I have nothing more to say.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And I took a picture with someone I admire.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And he happens to be black, and I`m sorry.

STERLING: I think the fact that you admire him. I`ve known him well and
he should be admired. And I`m just saying that it`s too bad you can`t
admire him privately and during your entire (inaudible) life your whole
life -- admire him, bring him here, feed him, (inaudible) him I don`t care.
You can do anything. But don`t put him on an Instagram for the world to
have to see so they have to call me.


SCHULTZ: Well, Sterling attempted to justify his disturbing racist
remarks. He eligibly made the following comments about taking care of his


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Because I don`t understand, I don`t see your views.
I wasn`t raised the way you were raised.

STERLING: Well then, if you don`t feel -- don`t come to my games. Don`t
bring black people, and don`t come.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you know that you have a whole team that`s black
that plays for you?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You just, do I know? I support them and give them
food, and clothes, and cars, and houses. Who gives it to them? Does
someone else give it to them? Do I know that I have -- who makes the game?
Do I make the game, or do they make the game? Is there 30 owners, that
created the league?


SCHULTZ: Sterling`s alleged comments have caused obviously an outrage
throughout the NBA and all over the country. President Obama was asked
about it. He`s overseas and this is what they asked him about. He wasn`t
(ph) on it. The President had no problem calling Sterling what he is.


want to advertise their ignorance, you don`t really have to do anything,
you just let them talk. And that`s what happened here. I have confidence
that the NBA Commissioner, Adam Silver, a good man, will address this.
Obviously, the NBA is a league that is beloved by fans all across the
country. It`s got an awful lot of African-American players. It`s steeped
in African-American culture. And I suspect that the NBA is going to be
deeply concerned in resolving this.


SCHULTZ: They might as well have asked the President say, "Is your country
making any progress on this race thing?" Sterling`s comments come right in
the wake of the Republican hero of last week, Cliven Bundy. His remarks
were outrageous. Now, we got more. This week`s racist comments remind me
of last week`s racist comments.


BUNDY: I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro. I`ve
often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having
family life and doing things or are they better off under government


SCHULTZ: So, in the span of several days, two sets of racist`s remarks
were made by two different white guys. Thanks. Make no mistake. These
guys are what see on the surface, which really down below. It`s
everywhere, right? From racist ranchers who are willing to screw the
government to billionaire basketball team owners who think they`re
responsible for everything. It`s all throughout America. Isn`t it all
walks to life?

Meanwhile, not everyone agrees with me. On Sunday, Bill Kristol, the head
the thought process of the conservative movement said there`s really no
need to get upset about a few racist comments.


BILL KRISTOL, POLITICAL ANALYST: Both of these people seem to be bigoted
and foolish and all that. I don`t think the L.A. Clippers are a bigoted
organization, however. So I think in that case, I`m a little weary to sort
of everyone -- (inaudible) as we -- everyone goes hysterical over two or
three sentences, but let`s look at the actual deeds of people. If people
discriminate, it`s against the law, they should be punished.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So then you`re saying --

KRISTOL: If they stupid things, if private organizations can deal with --
private businesses can fire people, I suppose, if they say those things.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So then what is the NBA --


SCHULTZ: Oh, it`s the private sector huh. Say anything and do anything,
have no responsibility, whatsoever. Nobody is watching Billy especially
the kids, right, in the next generation coming up. Bill Kristol is wrong.
This is what`s wrong with the Conservative movement. They`re afraid to
come out and get after it the way we`re supposed to as Americans. You
can`t give this situation an alibi. Racism still runs rampant in the
Republican Party.

That`s right. It`s just hard -- little hard to identify sometimes. It`s
not out in the open like Cliven Bundy or Donald Sterling. In March, failed
Vice Presidential candidate Paul Ryan came under criticism saying this
about inner city man.


REP. PAUL RYAN, (R) WISCONSIN: Your buddy Charles Murray, or Bob Putnam
over at Harvard, those guys have written books on this which is, you know,
we have got this tailspin of culture, in our inner cities in particular of
men not working and just generations of men not even thinking about working
or learning the value and the culture of work. And so there`s a real
culture problem here.


SCHULTZ: Not the best choice of words from the Republican (inaudible) from
Wisconsin. Some people would call those comments racist. Ryan, of course,
tried to back track. He released a statement following saying, "After
reading the transcript of yesterday morning`s interview, it is clear that I
was inarticulate about the point I was trying to make."

Inarticulate, looking for an exit strategy aren`t you congressman? Paul
Ryan can try and white washes comments all he wants. But he can`t white
washes budgeters policies. You see, his budget and voting record, they`re
very clear. He supports policies that attack minorities.

Here is Paul Ryan`s 2015 budget. Overall, the Republican pipe dream of a
budget cuts $4.8 trillion out of the budget over the next decade. Pretty
big number, who`s he hitting? 69 percent of the cuts come from people from
lower, moderate incomes. Ryan wants to cut $3.3 trillion dollars from
programs like Medicaid and SNAP.

During the 2012 election, Paul Ryan lost his cool when asked how his
policies would help inner city Americans.


RYAN: The best thing to help prevent violent crime in the inner cities is
bring opportunity in the inner cities, is to help people get out of
(inaudible) in the inner cities, is to help teach people good discipline,
good character, that is civil society.
TERRY CAMP, ABC 12, WJRT REPORTER: And you can do all that by cutting
taxes? With a big tax cut?

RYAN: Those are your words, not mine.

MICHAEL STEEL, PRESS SECRETARY: Thank you very much, sir.

RYAN: That was kind of strange, you`re trying to stuff words in people`s

CAMP: Well, I don`t know if that`s strange.

RYAN: No, but it sounded like you turn back (inaudible) --


SCHULTZ: Paul Ryan was upset because he knows his policies hurt inner city
Americans. It not such just his budget, it`s also conservative justices on
the Supreme Court.

You see, last summer, five Supreme Court Justices struck down the heart of
the Voting Rights Act. They rule that racism is dead in America and
nothing to worry about. It`s dead in America. It`s all gone. These
justices said it was OK for racist counties in the southern portion of the
United States to change their election laws without any federal approval
because we`re done with this racist thing. That`s yesteryear.

Overall, Republican policies are targeted to hurt minority Americans. Paul
Ryan`s budget hurts. Their actions hurt and they are emboldened by
conversations that we have been exposed to over the weekend by people who
are the power brokers.

Let`s see, the Ryan Budget, very clear who he wants to hurt. Repealing
Obamacare, how many times have they voted to do that? How about stopping
unemployment? They want to do that, they certainly don`t want to give any
extensions to help folks out in the tough economy. And of course, public
school vouchers, they`re attacking unions, workers, teachers, and they want
to privatize everything. Want to go after good stamp cuts and of course
increase voting rights restrictions. Those aren`t coming from the

You see, radical talk in this country, if it goes unchallenged leads to
radical policies like this. I do believe that the Conservatives in this
country continue to fuel racism by their policies that attack minorities in
this country and try to keep the working folk down. It emboldens people
who are in power to say what they say with absolutely no responsibility,
whatsoever. Kids are watching. They`re listening. What kind of example
are we setting?

Get your cell phones out. I want to know what you think tonight`s
question. What`s worse, racist comments or racist policies? Text A for
"racist comments", text B "for racist policies" to 67622, you can always go
to our blog at We`ll bring you the results later on in this

For more in the conversation, let me bring in MSNBC political analyst Dr.
Michael Eric Dyson and also Goldie Taylor of the Great to
have both of you with us tonight.


SCHULTZ: Professor you first. Bill Kristol says these racist comments are
just not a big deal, your reaction?

DYSON: Well, you know, Jesse Jackson often tells the story that the
chicken and the pig are going down the street asking about breakfast and
say, let`s each contribute. The chicken has to only contribute an egg.
The pig has to contribute his behind. And so, Bill Kristol is a chicken
with an egg to contribute. The rest of us who are minorities in this
country and other people of color are quote "the pigs" who have to give up
our very hides (ph). We have more skin in the game, so to speak,
literally, and we also have more investment here in terms of the
consequences that were down to us.

Bill Kristol`s easy dismissal of the complicated configuration of racial
forces that have conversed around these five, Bundy -- a Cliven Bundy
remarks and around Donald Sterling`s remarks shows you the way in which
some people can afford to be oblivious and unconscious of the racial
consequences of the society in which we live. But those of us who are in
the trenches, those of us who received the brunt of the effect of racism
have to speak up intelligently and articulately about what`s going on.

So the Bill Kristols of the world are in cahoots with, unintentionally
perhaps and inadvertently with the very forces of racial dominance that
don`t want to get called out. And the moment we called them out, we are
accused of being racist or race conscious or racially obsessed on the other
hand. And what we`re trying to do simply is to be honest and open and to
have a complicated argument in a very complicated --


DYSON: -- political time about the most divisive issue in America. WEB
devoiced the problem of the 20th century would be the problem of the cover
line (ph) and it appears on the 21st century, devoices prophetic
articulation as lengthens across the horizon of our culture --


DYSON: -- because it continues to be a problem in the 21st century as

SCHULTZ: I just think this constant negativity and attacking of the
president of the United States has emboldened a lot of people in this
country to have at it with absolutely no repercussion, whatsoever. Goldie,
your thoughts on Cliven Bundy and Donald Sterling, are they just the tip of
the iceberg? How deep does it run in society?

GOLDIE TAYLOR, THEGRIO.COM: I think, unfortunately, thoughts and fears
like those are quite pervasive. You know, there are some of us who like to
think about the progress and how far this country has come since its
inception. And then there are those of us who like to talk about a fight
for how far this country has to go. It isn`t "I`, the "or" it`s both end.
You know, there`s a delicate balance between the two and therein lies the
very complicated conversation that we have to have. But the Cliven Bundys
and the Donald Sterlings of the wold, you know, they really sort of
represent all that is wrong and what is past about America --


TAYLOR: -- or what we want to be in the past of America, looking forward
to this future. We`ve got to begin to put our arms around having that
complicated, very hard conversation without sort of, you know, castigating
people based on, you know, how they were socialized but begin to educate
anew. To talk about what perfecting this union really does, does look

Unfortunately though, you know, while bigotry in having those kinds of
beliefs or happens to be a legal thing, when you put that into action, when
you`re enacting into policy, when you impact people`s lives based upon
those very divisive social constructs that you`ve created by your own
fears, that`s when people`s lives begin to become, you know, diminished and
impacted in a negative way.

We saw in Jim Crow, but I will tell you that Jim Crow was more than about a
physical separateness, it was about an economic apartheid.


TAYLOR: Keeping all stuff away from them --

SCHULTZ: We`re going --

TAYLOR: -- and that`s what Ryan`s policies are about. It`s about a
brand new brand of economic apartheid, about keeping our stuff away from
them, "them" happens to be us.

SCHULTZ: I think that Ryan`s budget -- and you see the numbers right
there, come from a thought process that has been put on the American people
in the last week. I mean, it would -- if these guys are put the budget,
this is what it would look like. How else can you read when you want to
attack the very issue that needs the resource to turn people`s lives around
in this country? They don`t want to pay the taxes. They don`t want the
responsibilities. They don`t want government involved at all. And so,
they pick targets, and their targets are the weakest politically.

And I think that the attack on the president constantly, not even
recognizing he was elected, reelected. The authenticity of his birth,
these all adds up to embolden --

DYSON: Yeah.

SCHULTZ: -- a lot of people of power and money to use their platform and
to be exposed. This is a side of American that is ugly, how do we turn
this around?

DYSON: Yeah. You`re speaking to something that`s very serious here, and
people don`t often get the relationship between the two. On the one hand,
we`ve got infrastructure of intelligentsia who continue to articulate
values, visions, and understandings of life that reinforced to everyday.


DYSON: The common sense that passes for learning and understanding of race
in America. So when you have the Rush Limbaughs, when you have the Glenn
Becks, when you have the radio show hosts to the right, when you have Paul
Ryan, when you have people who are ideologues on the right constantly
lambasting the legitimacy of the presidency especially Barack Obama
president --

SCHULTZ: It permeates around society. It permeates throughout society,
emboldens people to say anything they want about race.

DYSON: Well, sure. It unleashes the bigotry and the veiled racism that is
at the -- that can be easily tapped. So that the assault on Obama, and if
Obama is Harvard educated, Ivy League degreed, and a man of obvious
sophistication and (inaudible) --


DYSON: -- outlook, if he has subjected this kind of vicious assault,
then the ordinary human being, the National Basketball Association is
subject to the same kind of criminal and lethal bigotry --


DYSON: -- like Donald Sterling would unleash but it`s across the board,
it`s pervasive, that`s the electoral infrastructure that reinforces the
bigotry at the level of the budget, at the level of common discourse in
America which is why we are in such a racial miasma and incapable of
finding our way through it --

SCHULTZ: All right.

DYSON: -- unless we`re telling the truth about it.

SCHULTZ: We are up on time unfortunately. Goldie Taylor, Michael Eric
Dyson, great to have you with us tonight. We`ll talk more --

DYSON: Thank you.

SCHULTZ: -- about this in the coming days. Coming up, the Ed Show --

TAYLOR: Thank you.

SCHULTZ: -- on the ground in Washington, D.C., we continue our special
series coverage in the pipeline, Keystone Pipeline.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think we`re bringing a lot of awareness and I hope
that awareness will somehow benefit us when it comes to the White House and
the Congressional (inaudible).


SCHULTZ: Political cartoons dominate Trenders. We`re coming right back.
Stay with us.


SCHULTZ: What`s hot? And time now for the Trenders. Social media, we
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Ed Show social media nation has decided. We`re reporting.

This is what`s hot.

Here are today`s top Trenders voted on by you.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on in boys. The water is fine.

SCHULTZ: The number three Trender, off the deep end.

SARAH PALIN, FMR. GOVERNOR, ALASKA: Well, if I were in charge --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah, that`s not going to happen.

PALIN: -- they would know that water boarding is how we baptize

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s a straight narrow (ph) from here on out.

SCHULTZ: Sarah Palin sticks up for her new view on water boarding.

PALIN: Water boarding is a baptism of terrorist.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And would you make that remark again?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What would a maverick do?

PALIN: Would I make it again? Why wouldn`t I? Yeah, absolutely.

We are not afraid to get mavericky (ph) in there.

Whatever it takes to stop them, if I were in charge, I`d be stopping them.

SCHULTZ: The number two Trender, in the family.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: New Jersey Governor Chris Christie is father of the


SCHULTZ: Family Guy channels Chris Christie in their bid for an Emmy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`ve been so aggressive in their campaign to win
the Emmy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mrs. Griffin, what about our traffic problem?

SCHULTZ: Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It would be great to win, but I`m not banking on it by
any means.

SCHULTZ: And today`s top Trender, grim outlook.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, a grim day for Staten Island, Congressman
Michael Grimm. A U.S. Congressman has surrendered to the FBI as he faces
criminal charges. Once a former FBI agent, the Congressman may soon land
himself in cost (ph) --

SCHULTZ: The tough guy congressman gets charged with fraud.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Over 20 count indictment against Michael Grimm.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Grimm saying the charges are part of a politically
driven vendetta against him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Charging him with obstructing and heeding IRS
functions and conspiracy to defraud United States.

charges, they`re felonies. He would face potentially significant time if
he`s found guilty.


SCHULTZ: Joining me tonight, Bob Shrum, Democratic strategist and
professor in NYU. Great to have you with us tonight Bob. No response, by
the way, on this 20 count indictment from Republican leaders. Why are they
silent? Why do they have a hard time with this? They`re in the image
business. This is one of their folks.

BOB SHRUM, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Well, I think as we get down the road,
we probably will hear from them. Initially, what they want to say, they
want to draw this kind of technical line. Say these charges relate to
things that happen before he ran for Congress. So, I guess, it`s all right
to have a guy who is charged with massive tax fraud, with paying his
employees under the table, with underreporting income, with mail fraud. As
long as he did it before he got to Congress, I think the pressure will
mount on them. And I think ultimately they will say something.

SCHULTZ: He`s on --

SHRUM: But one of the problem -- one of the problems they have --

SCHULTZ: He`s on the ballot on November, you know, you were going to say?

SHRUM: That`s the problem. And the problem is that as long as he stays
alive, the only way they can get him off the ballot is that if he`s
appointed to a judgeship. Now, that would be a real first. I don`t think
we`re going to see somebody under federal indictment appointed to a
judgeship. So, the situation for Republicans in that district is grim. I
think Democrats will win that seat and there`s no way forward for the
Republicans here. They calculate for the moment except to sort of stand
behind this guy. I think as time goes on, we`ll see them peal away.

SCHULTZ: Well, silence gives consent. It would seem to me that if the
Republicans are concerned about leadership in this country that they would
be able to render judgment pretty quickly after a 20 count indictment and
say, "You know what, he`s on the ballot but we got to remedy this, he
shouldn`t be running for office, he`s got to many things going on in his
life" without, you know, convicting him in the public, can`t they render a
decision that, "Hey, we got to go in a different direction."

SHRUM: Sure. Look, if they were smart, that`s exactly what they could --
would do. And by the way, if they could replace him on the ballot at this
point, they would replace him on the ballot. But you have a very fractious
Republican caucus. I think Boehner is obviously afraid to move here. As
time goes on, pressure mounts. I think he will move because they don`t
want to go in to the 2014 election with this guy as a poster boy. And
they`re going to have few more by the way, this other guy McAllister just
resigned in Louisiana or announced he`s not going to run again after he was
accused of kissing one of his staffers -- not accused, they have film of
him doing it.


SHRUM: So, I think the Republicans maybe headed into a kind of mini 2006
when they have a lot of scandals suddenly and they -- that made the midterm
elections much more difficult for them. At least we`re going to pick up
one seat in New York, I`m pretty confident about.

SCHULTZ: All right. Bob Shrum, great to have you with us tonight. I
appreciate your time on the Ed Show.

Still ahead --

SHRUM: Thank you.

SCHULTZ: -- new voices in the fight against the Keystone XL Pipeline. I
was on the ground over the weekend with the Cowboy and Indian Alliance
march in Washington.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To have the cowboys and tribes come together is -- I
tell you what, I would want to take on the Cowboys and Indians. If I were
TransCanada, I`d be packing up and heading home.


SCHULTZ: And later, dating advice from the Donald. We`ll have a 90`s
flashback tonight. Pretenders, stay tuned, we`re coming right back.


SCHULTZ: Weather has been a big story in our country in the last 24 hours.
14 people died in Arkansas from severe storm Sunday and now more of the
same. Now breaking news from the state of Mississippi, the National
Weather Service confirms, a tornado has touchdown near the City of Tupelo
Mississippi in the northeastern portion of the state. The Mississippi
emergency management agency says there are reports of damage in the area.
No injuries or deaths have been reported. Police are stressing, it is
still early. This remains a very active situation. We will bring you
updates as we get them.

There`s a lot more coming up on the Ed Show. Stay with us. We are right

Market Wrap.

Stocks turn around. The Dow gains 87 points, the S and P is up six, and
the Nasdaq sheds one point.

Bank of America shares were hit hard today, falling more than 6 percent.
The company halted a plan to raise its dividend and buy back stocks because
of a miscalculation in its finances.

And finally, some encouraging news on the housing market. Pending home
sales rose to 3.4 percent in March. It was the first gain in nine months.

That`s it from CNBC, first in business worldwide.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show and thanks for watching tonight.
Thousands of activists flooded the National Mall in Washington, D.C. over
the weekend. It was the last day of the Cowboy and Indian Alliance reject
and protect rally against the Keystone XL Pipeline. The crowd I saw was
filled with average, passionate, concerned Americans fighting to be heard.
Take a look.


WIZIPAN LITTLE ELK, ROSEBUD SIOUX TRIBE: Every single person has either
come by and say, "We like what you`re doing. We need to bring more
attention to this. We`re supportive of you." Or else they just simply
don`t know. And once we get a chance to talk to them and educate them,
they leave and they`re saying, "Good luck, we`re supporting you, or how can
I get involved?"

SCHULTZ: The Cowboy and Indian Alliance brought ranchers, farmers, and
Native Americans from all over the country to Washington, D.C. to stand
united against the Keystone XL Pipeline. For many of them, it was their
first trip to the nation`s capital. For others, it was an opportunity to
educate people who have never seen anything like it.

TOM WEIS, PRES. CLIMATE CRISIS SOLUTIONS: Where it all comes down to it,
we`re all indigenous to mother earth.


WEIS: We`re all indigenous.


WEIS: And we need to come together as one here and family. And that`s
what`s happened today. This is a beautiful thing.

JOHN POLLACK: What I am hoping because I am also a meteorologist. So I`m
coming at this from two different angles. If we don`t stop this when --
then this is business as usual, scenario. In business as usual, you
extract every bit of carbon you can from the crust of this planet until you
can`t get anymore to profit.

SCHULTZ: You`re the economic driving engine of American that needs to step
up on something like this.

DENNIS HART, NEW YORK IRONWORKERS: Well, thank you for saying that, but
yeah, we did need to step up, we absolutely need to step up on that. And
we`re not --

SCHULTZ: What`s your response to all the polling out there that the
majority of Americans want this pipeline.

HART: I find it kind of hard to believe. I think the majority of
Americans want economic activity that`s going to make them be able to pay
for something. But I think that the economic activity we`re going to get
from this is to work by what we`re going to get from a completely new build
out of a renewable energy infrastructure.

ALDO DEOANE, RUSEBUD SIOUX TRIBE: I think it`s significant as a nation,
you know, it`s actually standing up for the Bill of Rights of the
constitution. It`s showing that no matter how much influence a corporate
oil has, we still have values, morals and ethics. And we`re still here to
be relatives and to work with one another to make this a great land.

SCHULTZ: As the fight continues, the group is keeping a close watch on
every step of the legal process.

JANE KLEEB, DIR. BOLD NEBRASKA: If the Public Service Commission changes
the route, which I think they possibly could go to really go around the
Sand Hills and the aquifer, then you`re talking about the State Department
has to do a supplemental review, which then not have to have public
comment. So you can see how the dominoes are falling here.

SCHULTZ: So this activism is having an effect because you`ve already got
it to the State Supreme Court.

KLEEB: That`s right.

SCHULTZ: And it`s just another level that they have to go through, which
is really going to bring the environment to a big issue in 2016.

KLEEB: There`s no question. And the environment and energy has to be an
issue. You know, generations before us thought about healthcare. Energy
and the environment, that`s our issue, that`s our generation`s issue and
we`re going to make a difference on them.

SCHULTZ: All week long, this collection of Americans, all walks of life
have been trying to tell their story and get attention about the Keystone
XL Pipeline. Their one major concern, will their voices be heard and will
the truth get out?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And I hope Obama can hear this, we`re here as one.

President Obama to honor our 1868 Fort Laramie treaty. There`s article in
there, it`s the very first article, article 1, called the "Bad Man Cause."
Any bad man entering our territories that is bringing harm to us, we are
able to turn him over to the Indian Commissioner here and tell we don`t
want them here. So, they need to honor our treaties and keep the bad man
and the bad evilness of this tar sands pipeline coming through our land.

SCHULTZ: Many of them feel keeping TransCanada off their land is a life or
death situation.

CASEY CAMP, PONCA TRIBE: We`re suffering from environmental genocide from
this destructive industry. We have no choice, we are dying.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are willing to die on behalf of our journey. Our
way of life (inaudible) and the water.

BRYAN BREWER, PRES. OGALALA SIOUX TRIBE: Our people are still passionate.
Our people are ready to die. Our people had come up, so we want to be in
the front line. We are willing to give our life to stop this. Because
they don`t know what`s going to do the people.

SCHULTZ: Is it that dangerous talk?

BREWER: It is. It is dangerous talk.

SCHULTZ: I mean, you just said that your people are willing to die for

BREWER: Yes they are willing to die and that`s the sad part. I would love
if this would broadcast it and they`ll stop it, but it`s not, our people
are willing to die to make sure this doesn`t happen. And that`s scary,
that is scary.

SCHULTZ: I just want to be very clear. I`m not prodding you to say this.

BREWER: No, no, I am saying this. And this is --

SCHULTZ: I mean, this is from your heart of where your people are.

BREWER: This is where our people are right now and they`re going to stop
it. And that is with their blood and that just sad because I don`t want to
see any of our people hurt. I don`t want to see any of our people die.
But the people realize what is this going to do, the impact would keep
talking about the problems, we were not talking about the impact. The
impact is our people are going to die because of this. And we have people
right now that are willing to die for that.


SCHULTZ: Passionate Americans from all over the country gathering this
past weekend on the mall in Washington. Now, the next issue in this story
will becoming up in the middle of June, June 20th, the permit for the
pipeline going through the state of South Dakota expires. And a lot of
people were telling me over the weekend if the attitude of many of the
residents in South Dakota and of course a residual of this protest is that
it`s going to be harder to get the pipeline permitted through South Dakota.
Then of course the State Supreme Court is going to hear at this fall, their
decision early next year, that would be 2015.

And then of course, the public service commission would take about eight or
nine months to make a decision. This could go smack-dab into the
conversation amongst all of the candidates who want to be the next
President of the United States. The President has been very clear, he`s
going to respect the legal process and let this play out.

Up next, I`m talking your questions, Ask Ed Live. Still to come, the NBA
investigates Clippers owner Donald Sterling. Stay tuned for the Punch out.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show, love hearing from our viewers.

Tonight, in our Ask Ed Live segment, our first question coming from Jimmy,
wants to know, "Did you enjoy meeting two members of hashtag EdTeamed Show?
Yeah, team Ed Show. I sure did, I appreciate it. There was a lot the
folks there, I didn`t expect that. Thanks a lot, I appreciate the support.

Also our next question is from Vans (ph), "Did you think Congress will get
anything done this year?" That`s the question? No, I don`t.

Stick around, we`re coming right back.


SCHULTZ: And in Pretenders tonight, noted relationship expert Donald
Trump. Trump called into Fox and friends this morning to condemn Donald
Sterling`s alleged racist comments. The conversation quickly turned to
bashing married man Sterling`s girlfriend V. Stiviano. The times talisman
says racism isn`t the only tragedy here. Sterling is on the receiving end
of a personal foul.


DONALD TRUMP, INVESTOR: It`s terrible. He got setup by a very bad
girlfriend, let say that old thing is, he`s got a girlfriend from hell.


TRUMP: It`s so bad and she was baiting him and she`s a terrible human
being and he gave horrible answers. How can he be lead along by somebody
that was so obviously looking to do harm to him.


SCHULTZ: That`s advice free? When in doubt, Trump blames the lady.
Donald Trump says Sterling`s alleged comments are horrible, but the
terrible person here is Stiviano. Donald Trump has plenty of experience of
coupling, but if he believes three marriages make him Dr. Love, he can keep
on pretending.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. This is the story for the folks who
take a shower after work. The NBA is investigating the alleged audio
recording of Clippers owner Donald Sterling. Clippers President, Andy
Roeser says he`s questioned the legitimacy at the tape and whether it`s
been altered at all, making a statement saying that, "Mr. Sterling is
emphatic that what is reflected on that recording is not consistent with,
nor does it reflect his view, beliefs or feelings."

Although we know that Donald Sterling has a well documented history of
accusations of racist behavior. In 2006, United States Department of
Justice sued Sterling for Housing Discrimination. In November in 2009,
Sterling agreed to pay almost $3 million to settle allegations he
discriminated against African-Americans, Hispanics and families with
children at apartments he owned.

At the time, it was the largest settlement payment ever in a case involving
discrimination in apartment rental. In February of 2009, General Manager
and Hall of Famer Elgin Baylor, filed an Age in Racial Discrimination
Lawsuit against Sterling. Baylor who spent 22 years as a Clippers General
Manager claims Sterling "have a vision of a Southern plantation-type
structure" and accuse the owner of a pervasive and ongoing racist attitude.
Baylor later dropped the race accusation and a jury ruled in favor of
Sterling in 2011.

Isn`t hard to believe that the NBA didn`t know what this guy Sterling was
all about? Now they face some real tough question. So the question is,
will he be able to maintain his position as an owner in the NBA moving

Joining me tonight to answer that ESPN, NBA Analyst and Former NBA Coach,
P.J. Carlesimo. P.J., Good to have with us tonight. This is --

P.J. CARLESIMO, ESPN NBA ANALSYT: Good to be with you Ed.

SCHULTZ: This is the time when the NBA is at its peak. I mean it`s May,
it`s June, its championship time. This is a nightmare for them. Can this
guy stay in the league? Do the owners have the legal authority to do
something here?

CARLESIMO: I`m not sure about that and that`s what`s got everybody very
concern. I think right now everybody wants to be fair and allow due
process to take its course and just hear if there`s a defense. But clearly
everyone can`t imagine any defense for those remarks if that was actually
Mr. Sterling talking.

And no one can imagine him stay in the NBA. I think that we pride
ourselves and we still do. And think it`s horrific. Those of us who are
in the community, to think that he could be in such an influential position
in our league and be allowed to continue, but as you said the pivotal word
is legal, can he be forced out?

SCHULTZ: Do you think the owners will ask him to move on?

CARLESIMO: I would be shocked if they didn`t. I can`t believe that the
other 29 owners share anything, you know, about the order of any of that
feeling. And I think that they`re appalled, I think they know how wrong it
is and I think they don`t want that in the NBA, whether they`ll be able to
exert enough influence, whether Adam Silver, out commissioner has enough
authority to make that come about.

I`m just not sure. We`re all looking forward to the press conference
tomorrow to find out just what can be done and how quickly can it be done.

SCHULTZ: Well, does it take this long to figure it out, tomorrow, another
day, that would make it three days old. Why is the league slow to this?
Where are they?

CARLESIMO: I don`t they are, it think it`s legal. From the outside, I was
with the commissioner Saturday night, he happened to be at the game that we
were broadcasting in Memphis, Tennessee. And then of course we went out to
Oklahoma to be at the game yesterday. I can`t imagine any other reason
that they`re proceeding so carefully other than a legal ramifications in
making sure A, that due process is followed and B, that they`re confident
in what they`re doing that`s within their prerogative to do it.

SCHULTLZ: Coach, give us a sense, how nervous if the league about the
advertiser fallout, which took place today? A number of big ones have
stepped aside. Could this spread to beautiful league problem?

CARLESIMO: I don`t know truly Ed. I wouldn`t think so. I think it`s much
more a Clipper and a Donald Sterling problem. And I`m not saying it`s
going to go away the next day if there is a resolution to this. And
somehow Donald Sterling no longer has anything to do with the NBA or with
the Clippers. Would they come back immediately? I would hope so. But I
have no way of -- no insight into that at all.

SCHULTZ: P.J., I got to ask you, if you`re coaching the Clippers, how do
you handle the team at this point?

CARLESIMO: I`ll tell you, I can`t imagine what Doc Rivers is going
through. And Doc has the unique perspective. First of all an African-
American, somebody who played in his league, a great coach, not a good
coach, a great coach, someone whose also spend time in out profession right
now. And there`s not anybody better to handle this situation than Doc.
But watching him in the press conference yesterday, listening to his
telephone press conference today, I can`t -- how many times he said, "I
just don`t know what the right answer is."

He certainly is not pushing his players at all, because you can`t, he wants
them to come to whatever conclusions they do and then it go, you know, go
forward collectively as a team. But I can`t imagine a more challenging
situation --


CARLESIMO: -- than what Doc`s going to through right now.

SCHULTZ: P.J. Carlesimo, really appreciate your time on the Ed Show
tonight, thanks so much for joining us.

CARLESIMO: All right Ed, good being with you.

SCHULTZ: Well whether the NBA likes it or not, they`re in the image
business. Now, ask yourself the question, "If you owned an NBA team,
what`s proper restitution here?" Legally they may not have the muscle to
be able to remove this guy. But the fundamental questions is, do the
owners, the 29 owners of the NBA, do they want this guy part of the
fraternity? He`s the problem, he`s a big problem. It would seem to me
that the NBA owners want to protect their product.

The best way to protect the product is to professionally step up
collectively and ask this guy to sell the team and move on and go do
something else. If I`m an owner, I may ask in this guy in a meeting, what
in the world did I do to deserve this? And this thing about losing
advertisers and sponsors, that can be come contagious and that`s the last
thing the league needs.

So if they can rid themselves of Donald Sterling, make a statement that
they don`t want them in the league anymore and put more pressure on him
into isolating even further, maybe he`ll sell for a good price. And isn`t
it ironic that Magic Johnson is offered to buy the team, at least that`s
what`s being reported. Just ask him to sell. That would be the first

Game five tomorrow night, Golden States and L.A. Clippers, this will be
another big story tomorrow.

That`s THE ED SHOW. I`m Ed Schultz. POLITICS NATION with Reverend Al
Sharpton starts right now. Good evening Rev.


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