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May 14, 2014

Guest: Courtney Reagan, Mike Papantonio, Brian Schweitzer, Jon Rolston,
Barbara Boxer, Wizipan Little Elk, Dallas Goldtooth


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The bottom line is that natural catastrophes have always

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Looking at here, worse flooding there since Super
storm Sandy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Fire risk from Southern California to Arizona.

MARCO RUBIO: I do not believe human activity is causing these dramatic
changes to the climate.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The conditions are what we are seeing right now are
normally what we would see in September or October.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In L.A., drivers were being told to keep streets clear
for fire trucks.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, we are prepared for the worst.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have never disputed the climate is changing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have four pumps in my basement. We just don`t know
what to do anymore.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They ended up with a foot of snow.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The highest level of draught.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What started as a small brush fire.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Of course the climate is changing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: . into a wildfire.

RUBIO: I do not believe the laws that they propose pass we pass will do
anything about it.


ED SHULTZ, THE ED SHOW HOST: Good to have you with us tonight. Thanks for
watching. You ever know anybody in your life that has the habit of saying
something just to be saying something? If we were going to give Marco Rubio
the benefit of the doubt for what he said on Sunday, we would put him in
that category. I mean, he`s saying something just to say something. Let`s
start talking about this guy right here.

Senator Marco Rubio is from Florida. He was considered a 2016 republican
presidential favorite. Keep that in mind that this guy really wants to be
the President of the United States. He thinks he is knowledgeable enough.
He thinks he has the leadership and he thinks that he should lead this
country and the world, the free world. Time Magazine in fact even called
him the republican savior.

Let me tell you something, folks, Rubio may somehow save the republican
party, but he has no plans to save this country or the planet when it comes
to climate change. You see, on Sunday, I mean, this was like hidden. Rubio
came under heavy criticism for making these -- what else do you call them?
Ignorant remarks on climate change.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How big a threat is climate change?

RUBIO: I don`t agree with the notion some are putting out there including
scientists that somehow there are actions we can take today to have an
impact on what`s happening in our climate. Our climate is always changing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let me get this straight, you do not think human
activity or destruction of CO2 caused warming to our planet?

RUBIO: I do not believe that human activity is causing these dramatic
changes to our climate the way the scientists are portraying it. I do not
believe the laws they propose we pass will do anything about it, except it
will destroy the economy.


SCHULTZ: Now, I know that you are intelligent viewers. But just so I`m not
lost, did I hear him say he doesn`t believe the scientists? Did I hear him
say that our climate has always changed? Did he say that there isn`t
anything we can do about it? Now, if that`s what I heard, that is a stupid
position for a United States senator to take on the heels of this most
recent report that`s come out. Very comprehensive, the most recent climate
assessment for this country. Scientists agree, climate change is real. It
is manmade. On Tuesday, Rubio, the National Press Club attempted to walk
back his comments on climate change at the press club. Listen to it.


RUBIO: Headlines not with standing, of course the climate is changing
because the climate is always changing. It`s a measure you can see. There
is climate change. The issue is not that whether climate is changing, it is
always changing. The issue is whether there are legislative proposals
before us that can do anything about it. And what I`ve said, and what I`ve
disagree with is the notion that if we pass cap and trade, it will stop it
from happening. I`m in favor of advances in technology and innovation that
make us cleaner and more efficient but in a way that through a cost benefit
analysis is good for our economy. I don`t think the two things are
necessarily incompatible. I agree we need to spend time and energy on
mitigation as well because there our mitigation actions that need to be
taking place whether it`s how we store water in the west or how we prepare
to harden and address storm occurrences in the southeast where I live.


SCHULTZ: Wow! Is that an end run? He must have picked that up at Miami
Dolphins training camp. Folks, here`s the bottom line. This man is a
denier. He did not answer the direct question. He does not believe that
human behavior has anything to do with the climate and the rest is
gobbledygook. And you know what`s interesting about this is that if the
republicans believe in the free market, where are all the scientists that
are going to side with Rubio on this? I haven`t heard them come out since
the National Climate Assessment has been delivered to this country in the
last week telling us that it`s here. That it`s real. That we need to do
something about it. Why isn`t the free market of scientists working on
that? They can`t. The bottom line here is, folks, we have never had a
report like this one. We have never had an alarm like this one. To the
American people that climate change is real, it`s here, it`s now and we
need to do something about it.

Now, I`m not letting Rubio walk this back. No, this is where the
republicans are. Attempting to walk this back is a lie. He made a
calculated risk by making those remarks on Sunday and he got burned for it.
Rubio admitted, climate change exists. Really? But he didn`t admit people
are responsible for climate change and our human activity on this planet.
Well, at Tuesday`s event, he was asked - same question. He was asked about
his irrational position.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What information, reports, studies, or otherwise are you
relying on to inform and reach your conclusion that human activity is not
to blame for climate change?

RUBIO: Well, again, headlines not with standing, I have never disputed the
climate is changing. I pointed out the climate, to some extent is always
changing. It`s not static. That`s not the question before me as a
policymaker. The question before me as a policymaker is that if we ban all
coal in the U.S., if we ban all carbon emissions in the U.S., will it
change the dramatic changes in climate and these dramatic weather impacts
that we are now reading about? Anyone that says we will is not being


SCHULTZ: You are not being truthful, senator, because you can`t point to a
report. You can`t report to a study as to how you come to the conclusion
that climate change has nothing to do with human behavior. That was the
question and you didn`t answer it. So, give us a name. Just like last week,
I was asking for a number on how many people would be affected on minimum
wage. Notice how the republicans are great on rhetoric, but they`re never
good on detail. Bad to do business with people like that. You know, you
don`t want to give detail? Way to dodge the question, senator.

Rubio has still not admitted climate change is manmade. That`s the key. He
believers there is nothing -- nothing that we can do to reverse climate
change. There`s no activity we can do as humans. He just wants mitigation.
I think it`s impossible to construct a floodwall around the entire state of
Florida. What do you think? Is that feasible? Let`s see if Rubio can
mitigate this. Here is a map of Florida, as it stands right now. This is
Florida today. Uh-oh, NOAA, another government agency, look out for them,
National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration, right?

Here is what Florida is estimated to look like in the year 2100. Whoa!
Three foot sea level rise. See ya, Miami. All of this red area will be
under water. See that? This is all going to be affected. It`s estimated
that $31 billion in Florida real estate will be simply wiped out. You can
fix this problem with mitigation? You can only fix this problem with long-
term solutions, which Rubio doesn`t believe in and he is very short on.
Here are some other things that Rubio can`t mitigate.

This week, 20,000 homes in San Diego, California were evacuated after 700
acres of land were torched by a wildfire. Ah, just another bad day at the
office, huh? An extended drought, unusually high temperatures are to blame
for this blaze here. They are more frequent and they are more severe. The
temperature in San Diego today was over 100 degrees. The average high this
time of year is only 70 degrees. Ah, it`s an anomaly, right? Nothing`s
really happening to the planet. Let`s go to Texas. They are seeing the
worst drought in 500 years? Yeah. Worst draught in 500 years. Gosh, just
the luck of the draw to be born right now, isn`t it? The drought started
four years ago. It`s now making some big problems. It`s bad for the lakes
that have dried up. Cattle ranches have closed. Entire towns have
disappeared. When towns start disappearing, don`t you think we have a
problem, Houston? It`s kind of ironic, isn`t it? Considering that the
governor of Texas likes to talk like this.


RICK PERRY, TEXAS GOVERNOR: The science is not settled on this. The idea
that we would put America`s economy at jeopardy, based on scientific theory
that is not settled yet, to me, is nonsense. I mean, I tell somebody, just
because you have a group of scientists who stood up and said here is the
fact. Galileo got outvoted for a spell.


SCHULTZ: Whew! Let`s be really, really fair about this. The comment that
the governor of Texas made was back in September of 2011. I`d be curious if
he has these same attitude and opinion about climate change now that the
National Climate Assessment has been released and unlike any report we have
had before. Let`s give the republicans a chance to change their views on
this. You know, with that attitude people in Texas are in for a rough ride.
Republicans have consistently sided against reality-based science on
climate change. It`s in their DNA. Republican politicians are in the pocket
of big energy companies, i.e. big oil. It`s a simple equation. Oil
companies donate to republican candidates. They go out and do their
mission, they deny science as best they possibly can, without looking

This time, Rubio crossed the line. It`s exactly what Marco Rubio did on
Sunday. The oil and gas industry donated $265,000 to Rubio`s 2010 senate
campaign. No wonder this guy was out talking about mitigation. That`s the
easy way out for those guys. Someone who denies reality-based science is
not ready to be President of the United States. And isn`t it ironic -- let
me see that Florida map, that the very senator that represents this city
that is in the cross hairs of this climate assessments, that`s who he
represents. This climate assessment says that Miami stands to be one of the
most vulnerable cities out there when it comes to severe damage. So, what
motivation does Marco Rubio have to say to Miami, basically, ah, it`s all
bs. Don`t worry about it. It`s OK. He will sell his soul to major oil
companies, so he might be able to be the nominee for the republicans. Oh,
brother, bring it on. You`d be perfect.

Get your cell phones out. I want to know what you think to tonight`s
question. Do you think Senator Marco Rubio would be a good science teacher?
Text A for yes, B for no to 67622. How`s that one for you, buzz feed? You
know, you can go to our blog at We`ll bring you the results
later on the show. Let me bring you the Ring of Fire radio host and
America`s lawyer Mike Papantonio, and also with us, former Montana governor
and MSNBC contributor Brian Schweitzer. Gentlemen, great to have you with
us tonight.

Mike, we`ll start with you. In Florida, what is this all about? I mean,
it`s total denial. In fact, this is the biggest denial and the biggest walk
back we have seen on climate change from anybody in the senate, isn`t it?

put that story in perspective though. Ed, we have to remember, Rubio is the
guy that a year ago said that he doesn`t understand the concept of
evolution. He said it`s a complete mystery to him that he`s not a
scientist. Therefore, he can`t understand evolution. Rubio has always been
a nightmare for his handlers, Ed. They have always needed handlers to go in
and fix the Rick Perry kinds of goofy statements that come out predictably
almost every month. In this instance, you have Rubio telling Florida voter
that they`re gonna to be catastrophically affected by climate change, that
he`s too dull to know what NOAA has to say or what NASA has to say, or what
the National Climate Change Commission has to say. This is what he knows.
He knows that, as you point out, Florida is going to be plagued with
flooding, coastal erosion, salt water intrusion in their drinking water. A
heat index, Ed -- a heat index of an increase between 8 and 15 percent in
the next 100 years. Disappearance of our tourism along the coast, trillions
of dollars of damage to our biggest city and, you know what? He`s still
talking like that because the oil industry owns him and everybody knows
that this is a guy who wants to run for president and doesn`t understand
the science here.

very scary notion.

SCHULTZ: Governor, has Rubio put himself in a hole by saying climate change
isn`t manmade?

SCHWEITZER: I can help him out, you know, because I have an advanced degree
in earth science and actually taught science at Montana State University.
So, if he would like tutoring, call me. I have got time on my hands. But
look, here is his problem. Here is his problem. He needs to take money from
the industries like the rest of the republicans. On Sunday, he was singing
the hydrocarbon hymns and he collected up the offering. On Monday, he
cashed the checks. Then on Tuesday, he remembered that I`m actually
supposed to represent Florida, which has the most to lose in climate
change. So, he decided to blame, let`s see the Asians and Europeans because
they weren`t moving fast enough on climate change. He`s got a complicated
world. But, if he needs help with science, he can call me.

SCHULTZ: Mike, you live in Florida. How are you going to mitigate a rising
sea level?

PAPANTONIO: Well, there is no way to mitigate it. Listen, the best
scientists in the world have said that Rubio`s hometown of Miami is the
number one target in this country. He knows that. It`s inconceivable to me,
Ed, that he at least hasn`t read this material. I can understand why he
can`t comprehend the notion of how bad it is, but he knows this. Just read
the material and they talk about Miami at the top of the list, every time.
He talks about that big stretch of condos that are going to be undermined
because of the way they are built, because of the intrusion of the salt
water, into the drinking water. It talks about the everglades being
destroyed by the intrusion of salt water.


SCHULTZ: He emphatically stated he doesn`t believe the scientists.


SCHULTZ: I mean, governor, how can the republican party take that position
and survive politically?

SCHWEITZER: Well, when the hydrocarbon industry is putting quarters in the
jukebox, you have to dance to their music. Until they decide to stand-up
for the American people and the rest of the earth, until they are prepared
to create a new energy system designed by American engineers that is
cleaner and greener and start today, they have going to demonstrate they
are owned by the special interests that folks in the oil and gas and coal
business. We need to start today if we are going to solve this problem.

SCHULTZ: Governor, has there ever been a report delivered to this country
with this type of assessment?

SCHWEITZER: Well, this is -- this has probably the most catastrophic
predictions of any of the suggestions that we have heard in the past. He`s
absolutely right. As an earth scientist, I know the earth has been warmer
and colder, and oceans have covered the earth and Glacier National Park was
loaded with glaciers and they will be gone in my lifetime. That`s actually
true. But what`s happening today is that in a course of 150 years since the
start of the industrial revolution and the use of these hydrocarbons, we
are destroying the planet. We have to move away from the oceans. We are not
going to have the bread basket and the place we are producing wheat and
corn. We have to change now.

SCHULTZ: And Michael, I want to answer you quickly, does this play into the
governor`s race in Florida? I mean, will this be a Charlie Crist/Rick Scott
battle point, battleground?

PAPANTONIO: We won`t see this because at this point, Charlie Crist won`t
have the money to go toe-to-toe with Rick Scott on many issues. His issue
is that Rick Scott is a criminal. He needs to stick with that issue and
stay away from issues like this. He doesn`t have the money to spend in this
issue like you are talking about.

SCHULTZ: All right. Mike Papantonio and Brian Schweitzer, great to have
both of you, gentlemen with us tonight. I appreciate it so much.

Coming up, republicans in search of a scandal. Senator Barbara Boxer weighs
in on the GOP`s Benghazi witch hunt. First, operation American spring. Tea
partiers head to Washington with the hopes of a revolution. Trenders, up


SCHULTZ: And what`s hot, what`s not. Time for the Trenders in the social
media. This is where you can find us, Hey, come on and
join the Twitter team. You know how it is. and And you can get me on the radio SiriusXM channel 127, noon to
3 PM Monday through Friday, and you can get my Podcast at Ed`s
social media nation has decided. We are reporting here at today`s top
trenders, voted on by you.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How do you like your tea?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The number three trender, tea time.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We need to fight to bring common sense to Washington.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A tea partier triumphs in Nebraska.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Nebraskans will make Ben Sasse a huge favorite in
November`s general election.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We can only fight big government with bigger ideas.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s the big idea?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We need to repeal Obamacare.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s not going to happen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: While a new group looks to oust Obama.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: May the 16th is operation American Spring and our goal
is to see the resignation of Barack Obama. This is a call to all patriots,
we are not going to take it anymore. If you love freedom and liberty, you
may want to consider attending.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The number two trender, Magic`s words.

MAGIC JOHNSON: I`m going to always fight for myself and for my people. So,
when he attacked me personally, I have to speak out about it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The NBA star responds to Donald Sterling`s attacks.

JOHNSON: The statements he made about myself and minorities, it was
disappointing. Then he wants to ask me what I have done. You know, in the
minority community. It`s well-documented what I have done. I don`t have to
sit and publicize everything I do. I hope Donald can see the mistake he has
made and also the people he has hurt along the way.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Today`s top trender, Bundy backtrack.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bundy`s family putting together a team of legal

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`ll be hearing from my lawyer.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Clive and Bundy back offs his plan to sue the feds.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Impersonating police officers, blocking public roads and
threatening to use tasers on unarmed citizens.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Those are some of the crimes Clive Bundy`s family says
they Bureau of Land Management committed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I can do this, too.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The agency is committed to working through the legal

NEIL KORNNZE: At this point, some folks did break the law. We are working
hard to ensure those who did break the law are held accountable.


SCHULTZ: Joining us tonight, Jon Rolston, journalist and host of Rolston
Reports in Nevada. Jon, good to have you with us tonight. What can you tell
us about the latest on the investigation surrounding the Bundy ranch, the
FBI and BLM?

JON ROLSTON, ROLSTON REPORTS HOST: Well, I don`t know much about what the
FBI has found out already, Ed. There`s already enough information from
local law enforcement and others to indicate they barely avoided a
confrontation out there. There were some anecdotal reports of some of these
folks in militias pointing guns at federal officers, which you just cannot

And meanwhile, you have Bundy saying he`s assembling this legal team. Who
knows who is on that? But you can be sure a lot of lawyers would love the
publicity to sue the sheriff, to sue the governor. That`s what he was
talking about in an e-mail his family sent out yesterday. So, this is all
going to come to a head. And let`s not forget, Ed, as you and I have about
talked before, this guy is still in violation of federal orders. His cattle
are grazing illegally on federal land. I hope he doesn`t have to sell any
of those cows to get a lawyer.

SCHULTZ: Well, let`s talk about that. There are report that is attorneys
around the country have offered to work with him and for him for nothing.
What do you make of that? Is this Bundy clan growing around the country? We
have seen things prop up in Utah, also now, there`s a situation that has
developed in New Mexico. What`s going on here?

ROLSTON: Well, you are going to have a lot of people in the legal
profession who are going to see an opportunity here to make some publicity
for themselves. You have already seen the classic opportunist, Larry Klein,
and talk about a judicial watch, talking about helping Bundy. But there
will be others, Ed. You know that profession and you know the extent of
publicity for some of these chasers out there in the legal profession. It`s
going to be there. They are going to try to help Bundy. I should tell you,
a couple years ago, Cliven Bundy won the BLM, was after him and did not go
out to arrest him. They stood down. They didn`t go out to the ranch. He
consulted with some very prominent, constitutional lawyers here in Las
Vegas. They refused to take the case. My sources tell me. You know why? He
wants to make the case in court that the federal government has no
authority that essentially doesn`t exist. What quality lawyer, Ed, would
take that case?

SCHULTZ: OK. So, as we see this unfold, a lot of national media backed off
this story. It seems to me that officials are afraid of this guy. They are
afraid of what this could be. Is there a way they would walk from this
knowing there could be some type of issue down the road that could be

ROLSTON: Well, I don`t think that the federal government, that the BLM can
walk away from this. They can`t. They can`t allow the precedent out there,
but if you call down a bunch of militia people from Idaho and elsewhere you
can make the BLM stand down. They have to either arrest this guy or
confiscate his cows or both. That has to happen. And now, again, we have
talked about this before. There`s still a lot of guns up there in the
neighborhood of MA Skeet and Bunkerville in the Gold Butte area out there.
There are essentially check points leading up to his ranch with people with
guns. The BLM doesn`t want to go up there and get into a shooting war. So,
the question is how long can they wait before it emboldens people as you
mentioned in other places to stand-up to the BLM.

SCHULTZ: Is there any way they could, I don`t know, pick him up on the way
to the grocery store? Does the guy ever leave the ranch? Does he travel
with security? Is he well armed all the time with people around him? Is
that possibly not a credible scenario that could play out?

ROLSTON: It`s a great question, Ed. He doesn`t leave the ranch often. In
fact, his whole family asked his supporters to come to Las Vegas and file
criminal complaints against the BLM with the local sheriff. A lot of people
thought he would come down then. Of course, he didn`t leave the ranch. I
think he`s afraid of being arrested. One of his sons held a press
availability outside of the sheriff`s office, but he`s not leaving that
ranch because once he`s arrested, the whole thing falls apart for him, I

SCHULTZ: All right, Jon Rolston, good to have you with us tonight.. We`ll
follow the story. Still ahead, the GOP`s Benghazi witch hunt is wasting
valuable time and oh by the way, tax dollars. Senator Barbara Boxer, she`s
had enough, and documents exactly what this kangaroo port is doing.

Plus, controversial t-shirts spark a fire storm at the University of North
Dakota. Members of the Sioux Nation join me to discuss. What`s next? I`m
taking your question, Ask Ed live, just ahead here on The Ed Show, on
MSNBC. We`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to The Ed Show. We love hearing from our viewers.
Love the questions. Thanks so much. Tonight, at our Ask Ed live, the first
question comes from Dave. What prompted you to invest so heavily in solar
power at your Canadian lodge? Oh, I was talking about that today on the
radio. Well, obviously climate. It`s the money. I don`t understand these
republicans when I looked into our lodge in Canada going totally solar.
It`s a huge money saver over the years. So, it`s very clear why the oil
companies don`t want to do anything and the politicians don`t want to do
anything for solar and wind because it`s really dangerous to the energy
companies. I`m proud of this. I`m going to talk more about it as they
implement it up there in the north country.

The next question is from Lenora, with all your political sense -- do I
have some? I think so. Anyway, who do you think will be the republican
presidential candidate for 2016? Well, we are really fast forwarding here,
but since it is the middle of May in 2014, I think I`ll just say that I
think it`s Jeb Bush, if he wants it. If not, I put my money on Chris
Christie. Lots more coming up on The Ed Show. Stay tuned.

COURTNEY REAGAN, MARKET WRAP: I`m Courtney Reagan with the CNBC market
wrap. The stocks pulled back today. The Dow sliding 101. The S&P off 8. The
NASDAQ shedding 29. Profits from Deere came in better than expected with
the company cutting its full year revenue outlook. Shares fell more than 2
percent today.

Demand for mortgages though is up. Applications rose 3.6 percent last week
as rates slipped. After the closing bell, Cisco posted revenue and earnings
sending the stock up after hours. That`s it from CNBC. We are first in
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SCHULTZ: Welcome back to The Ed Show. Well, republicans simply are not
being honest about the motivation behind their Benghazi witch hunt. There
have been how many hearings? How many briefings and congressional reports?
And, oh by the way, over 25,000 pages of documents reviewed. Republicans
still claim not enough. Now, they have formed a new select committee, a
brand-new committee to investigate. California senator, Barbara Boxer has
had enough and telling it like it in. In an op-ed with the Huffington Post,
Boxer writes between 1998 and 2013, there were at least 501 significant
attacks against U.S. diplomatic facilities and personnel in 70 countries,
which resulted in the deaths of 586 people, including 67 Americans. During
the Bush administration, there were 166 attacks, which killed 116 people
including 18 Americans. Those attacks were all terrible tragedies. The
difference is that we never had a political party spend years exploiting
them for political gain.

Folks, let`s call this what it is. It`s an election-year special.
Republicans are getting a two-for-one deal. They are openly fund raising
off this tragedy by keeping the scandal narrative alive. Republicans are
also using the side show to smear Hillary Clinton ahead of 2016, if she
decides to run. It is obvious, republicans are afraid of Hillary Clinton
and Bill Clinton, their fund raising machine. They should be. The
Clinton`s, by the numbers raised well over $1 billion for non-profits and
hundreds of millions for those -- for their own political campaigns. You
think the republicans want to go up against that? No, they want the easy
route. So, they better start smearing early on. They didn`t do it that way,
the way the republicans did it, the Clinton`s did.

And instead of wasting taxpayer dollars and misleading the American public,
I would like to see the republicans get to work and pass any kind of
meaningful legislation. Ain`t going to happen before the midterms. Joining
me is California senator, Barbara Boxer. Senator, good to have you with us
tonight. First of all, thank you for profoundly putting out the numbers. I
think that has been -- I think I`m remised for not going that deep on
exactly what it has been like and thanks for doing that. In your op-ed, you
said republicans have only one goal, that`s to turn this into a scandal.


SCHULTZ: Or what is their target?

BOXER: Well, Benghazi is a tragedy. We know that. When we lose one American
it`s a tragedy. We lost four here. It`s a tragedy. But, they want to turn
it into a scandal for their own benefit and the only thing that is
scandalous is really their behavior. You know, Ed, I was in the congress
for a long time. When I was in the house, there was a horrific, horrific
terror attack on marine barracks in Beirut. I don`t know if you remember

SCHULTZ: I do recall that. Yes.

BOXER: We lost 241 marines. They were killed. It was unbelievable. Tip
O`Neill and the republicans joined hands. There was a bipartisan
investigation, cooperation, everyone worked together. At the end of the
day, we learned something from it. We worked together to make sure that
never happened again and that`s what we should be doing here. Look, the
republicans won`t even let us pass an Embassy Security Bill. They`ve
blocked it every single time. We need to make sure that our embassy`s are
protected. I want to share something with your viewers. I`m not leaning
over for water. I`m leaning over to show you something. I don`t know, can
you see this?


BOXER: Ed, it`s very heavy. That`s half of the reports. Half of the reports
that have come out from the congress on this. We have had 17 hearings and
50 briefings, and 25 interviews and subpoenas and 25,000 pages of documents
and six congressional reports. This is just half of them.

SCHULTZ: Senator, how is this hearing going to be different?

BOXER: Because, if you listen to the person they picked to head this,
before he was watching his Ps and Qs, he said he was going to put the
administration on trial -- on trial. They are so blatant in this. I think
it`s going to backfire. You know, they never mentioned, it was Hillary
Clinton who was the first one to call for an independent investigation. And
that investigation was headed by the most non-partisan team, Ambassador
Pickering and Mike Mullin, a military man. They came out and said look, we
have a lot more to do in terms of securing our embassies, our consulates.
Who was it that put those actions into place? Hillary Clinton and now, John
Kerry. So, if you really want to be honest about this thing, Hillary
Clinton called for the first investigation. They are just so scared of
2016, Ed, they don`t know what to do. They can`t talk about Obamacare
anymore, because 8 million people signed up. Then people are getting Medi-
Cal, Medicaid -- Medi-Cal in my state.


BOXER: And it`s working. They have to turn their attention to this.

SCHULTZ: Well, 15 months of private sector job growth, they have had
nothing to do with that, either. Now, the National Republican Congressional
Committee already rolled out a new fund raising campaign called Benghazi
Watchdogs. Speaker Boehner deflected questions about the fund raising. Here
it is. I want your reaction.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Four Americans died in Benghazi. Should the NRCC fund
raise all of your efforts in the subcommittee?

SPEAKER JOHN BOEHNER: Our focus is on getting the answers to those families
who lost their loved ones, period.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But should the NRCC, they are fund raising off it.

BOEHNER: Our focus is getting the truth for these families and the American

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The campaign committee, which you are very involved in
is fund raising off this. Why is that happening?

BOEHNER: Our focus is on getting the truth for the American people and
these four families.


SCHULTZ: Senator, your response to that?

BOXER: It`s just sad. You know, you see a speaker of the house is ducking
and dodging and won`t answer the question. It`s insulting to the person who
asks it. It`s insulting to the American people. Answer the question.


BOXER: And the biggest question is why are you doing this when we have had
all of these hearings, subpoenas, documents, papers, briefings, interviews.
There is no right answer. It`s just that they want to make the people
believe that the Obama administration and Hillary Clinton did something
wrong when they didn`t. They didn`t. This is a tragedy.


BOXER: It is not a scandal. And their behavior is scandalous.

SCHULTZ: Senator Barbara Boxer of California, great to have you with us on
The Ed Show.

BOXER: Thank you.

SCHULTZ: Thanks so much.

Still ahead, a culture war on campus. Native American students demand
action over racial insensitivity at the University of North Dakota. Two
members of the Sioux Nation join me. Coming up. Stay with us. We`ll be
right back.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to The Ed Show. It`s been two years since the
University of North Dakota retired its fighting Sioux logo for being
offensive as required by the NCAA. Now, some students of the university are
under fire for making t-shirts with the phrase, super drunk. The offensive
the-shirts are not an isolated expression of racism. Coming up next, I`ll
talk to two members of the Sioux Nation about the harmful impact of race-
based mascots.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Over all, this is a deep, deep systemic institutional
issue. This isn`t just a one incident thing.



SCHULTZ: Welcome back to The Ed Show. This is the story for the folks who
take a shower after work. It affects every American. The native American
community has been forced to face several stories rooted in disrespect for
its traditions and culture in recent weeks. Supporters of the law-breaking
Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy drove ATVs unto protective land in Utah on
Saturday. Malan (ph) is the home of native American artifacts connected to
the Navajo nation.

Meanwhile, conservatives in congress are pushing for passage of the
proposed Keystone XL pipeline. Native tribes say building the pipeline
would violate sacred treaties and ruin their land. So, the question is
where does all this disrespect come from? I think it`s deeply rooted in our
society. It`s almost cultural. Over the weekend, a group of students at the
University of North Dakota wore t-shirts displaying disrespectful imagery
against native Americans. Here`s the local report from the NBC affiliate
KVLY Valley News live in Fargo.


MIKE MORKEN: Students are pictured wearing the shirts that read Super
Drunk. Below the phrase, you can see a picture of a native American head
similar to that of a retired with note (ph) drinking from a beer bong. The
students in the picture tell us they are getting threats over social media.
As Valley News team (Inaudible) explains other students are filing
complaints with the university.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The native American students say they just hope the
university will finally take action.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, I would like to see the university step up and
teach students as to why the name is derogatory.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They need to, like, address issues like these and, you
know, tell students, this is not OK. This is why it`s not OK.


SCHULTZ: To the credit of the University of North Dakota, UND has one of
the most extensive native American studies programs in the country. They
did retire the logo several years ago. If this is a backlash residual, I
don`t know. What is it? Let`s ask Wizipan Little Elk, a Rose Bud Sioux
Tribal member, and also with us tonight, Dallas Goldtooth, a member of the
Sioux Dakota Nation and community organizer for the 1491s. They join me
tonight. Gentlemen, good to have you with us. Wizipan, what is your
reaction to this story? Is this ever going to go away?

WIZIPAN LITTLE ELK: Well, Ed, we certainly hope that it goes away. My
reaction is that once again -- yet again, I`m deeply saddened by the level
of ignorance in America, you know, we as native Americans -- we as the
first Americans, you know, have been here for thousands of years and we`ve,
you know, had in the past a tumultuous relationship with the immigrants and
others who have come here to America and share the land with us. But, you
know, we`re committed to working with and to forming, you know, good
relationships with our neighbors based on understanding and mutual respect.
So, once again, I`m just deeply disappointed in the level of ignorance.

SCHULTZ: Dallas, the UND fighting Sioux logo was retired after 68 percent
North Dakota voters voted to drop the nickname. Do you think the students
are acting out because of racism, blatant racism, or is it ignorance?

DALLAS GOLDTOOTH: I think it`s a combination. I think it`s definitely
ignorance. People are unaware of -- I don`t know. It`s weird, because
there`s a fine line between ignorance and racism at times, and I think
ignorant acts can be racist, which is clearly is the case here in this
incident, but also mind you that what happened here, the super drunks t-
shirt isn`t is not a precedent. It`s not the first time something`s
happened in America. We all know that, but also not the first time
something`s happened at the University of North Dakota. There`s been a
number of acts and incidents that have been pushing the limits for a lot of
people in the area for the last couple years, ever since the whole logo
thing was brought up.

SCHULTZ: Does shining a light on it the way the local media has, and I`ve
never seen anything like that before in the local media where they have
spent time to explain what`s going on and forcing a response from the
university. Robert Kelly, university president, released a statement saying
that the message on the shirts demonstrated an unacceptable lack of
sensitivity and complete lack of respect for American Indians and all
members of the community. What more should a president do to turn this
around, now that it`s in the spotlight, unlike some of the other incidents,

GOLDTOOTH: I think that the university can do a lot more, and I think
actually the students at the UND have organized, they put out a press
release a couple days ago. There`s going to be a protest, a march on
Friday, 11 o`clock at the American-Indian Students Services Building, and
that march is to -- a march for change. You know, they want to increase the
awareness about the issues. It`s a nonviolent march, but I think there`s a
call for the university to step it up a little bit more. I mean, to say,
oh, you know, I think there`s some back pedaling. The university looks like
they are using a lot of -- you know, trying to get out of it, when, you
know, the event is called UND Spring Fest. It`s at the university park.
It`s partially organized by the student senate. I mean, there`s some
responsibility there where I think they can step it up and actually hold
some of those students accountable. And whether they say they can`t find
the students is not true. Go to Facebook, face recognition, find them.

SCHULTZ: You think they should face disciplinary action, the students?

GOLDTOOTH: I think so. Definitely, there needs to be at some point a
stronger message sent across.

SCHULTZ: And, Wizipan, your thoughts on that?

LITTLE ELK: Well, absolutely, I think the university can bring charges
according to their university handbook and student code of ethics. Also,
you know, any university throughout the nation has to go through certain
accreditation criteria in order to remain in good standing. So, there`s
probably some violations there, and so swift action is going to be needed
by the president and the university to address this, but I also think that
it`s incumbent upon everyone else throughout the nation and there at the
university to stand up in solidarity with the native American students
there, who are feeling insulted and, you know, harassed by this kind of

SCHULTZ: I got to quickly ask you this, Wizipan, what do you tell your
kids? What do native American parents tell their kids who see this?

LITTLE ELK: Well, we tell them the truth. You know, one fact that is very
little known is that actually, American-Indians have the highest rate of
sobriety of any ethnic group in the United States. Only 34 percent of
native Americans use alcohol, compared to 56 percent of whites in this
country, and to face a stereotype like this is just insulting and wrong,
and so, the only thing we can do with everyone is to tell the truth.

SCHULTZ: OK. Wizipan and Dallas Goldtooth, I appreciate your time tonight
on the story. We`ll follow up on the march and what impact it is going to

That`s The Ed Show, Politics Nation with Reverend Al Sharpton starts right
now. Good evening, Rev.


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