updated 6/10/2014 2:19:43 PM ET 2014-06-10T18:19:43

THE ED SHOW
June 9, 2014

Guest: Elliot Spagat, EJ Dionne, Brian Schweitzer, Richard Cohen, Jessica
Care Moore, Jane Kleeb

MICHAEL ERIC DYSON, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans. Welcome to the Ed
Show all the way live from New York. I`m Michael Eric Dyson in for Ed
Schultz. Let`s get to work.

(BEGIN-VIDEO CLIP)

JOHN BOEHNER, (R-OH) HOUSE SPEAKER: I don`t know whether we`re going to
get to it this year or not.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Immigration officials are moving more than a thousand
undocumented children to this make shift detention center this weekend.

BOEHNER: The appetite amongst my colleagues for doing this is not really
good.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To put a little bit of wire on top here to provide a
distance .

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nearly 50,000 children across the border alone since
October.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We can also electrify this wire.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Children were sleeping in plastic containers under foil
blankets.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There are kids that were brought into this country by
their parents.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And there are some as young as eight.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s another 100 out there that they weigh 130
pounds and they`ve got calves the size of antelope.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We see the very dark side of what happens when we
don`t have a policy.

ERIC CANTOR, HOUSE MAJORITY LEADER: Before anything else, that there is
border security and implementation reform.

(END-VIDEO CLIP)

DYSON: My fellow Americans, let`s be honest here. Republicans draw round
terms like illegal alien hoping to sterilize the issue of immigration.
They focus on fences and drug mules. They say amnesty like it`s a bad
word. Trust me, it ain`t a mistake.

Republicans anti immigrant rhetoric makes their refusal to address
comprehensive immigration reform an easier pill to swallow. It allows them
to gloss over the fact that we`re talking about real human beings. Human
beings like the one you seen here.

These photos were leaked last week to conservative website Breitbart News.
They alleged to give us a look inside of customs and border protection
processing center. These are the victims of Republican obstruction. As
you can see many of them are just children crammed into overcrowded cell
sharing blankets and sleeping together on whatever floor space they can
find.

NBC News` Mark Potter reports on the hundreds of undocumented immigrant
children held at detention centers in Arizona.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MARK POTTER, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: The unaccompanied children are being
bused to the U.S. border patrol station in Nogales, Arizona after
overflowing detention facilities in South Texas.

More 700 children from the Central American countries at El Salvador,
Honduras and Guatemala are housed together now in a converted warehouse
where they are screened by authorities. With even more kids en route,
federal officials are scrambling to provide enough portable toilets, cots,
water, food and showers as the state supplies vaccines for children some
very young who`ve been through a rough ordeal even after they were caught.

TONY BANEGAS: There are children who have not taken a bath in nine days.
They are still wearing the same clothes.

POTTER: Since last October, more than 47,000 unaccompanied children mostly
from Central America have been apprehended trying to enter the U.S.
illegally. Just this morning, this group from El Salvador, ages nine to
18, was picked up by Texas police after crossing the Rio Grande in search
of their parents already here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (Foreign Language).

POTTER: This girl saying of their journey, "We all took care of each
other. The little ones we would we send upfront." They are part of a sur-
origin (ph) Central American immigration that began a few years ago as many
fled the violence, poverty and drug gangs there.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We perceived that the journey is frightening,
traumatizing and probably will scare (ph) them for the rest of their lives.

POTTER: Last week, President Obama declared a humanitarian crisis in order
that FEMA to care for the children. Moving kids to Arizona, though further
strained relations with Governor Jan Brewer, who is still angry over
federal authorities dropping off undocumented families at bus stations in
two sudden (ph) feedings recently. She blames the current surge on border
security lapses.

And here in Nogales, Central American consulate officials say they believe
the children are being treated well given the circumstances as U.S.
officials try to get ahead of this border crisis that shows no sign of
letting up.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

DYSON: My friends, we witnessed an unprecedented spike of undocumented
children attempting to enter the U.S. So far in the 2014 fiscal year,
about 47,000 children have been apprehended at the U.S.-Mexico border.
That`s a 92 percent increase over the previous year.

According to the New York Times, federal officials predicted at least
60,000 unaccompanied minors would try to cross into the U.S. this year. An
interagency memo from a border patrol official reveals that number has been
revised up to more than 90,000.

At this point, we`ve been conditioned to expect dysfunction in Washington.
At this point, it`s hard to imagine Republicans and Democrats working
together to find common ground on practically any issue. Sure, there is
reason to be cynical but even the most harden cynic should be outraged and
demand action when a humanitarian crisis like this one happens right here
on our soil.

We claim to be religious. We claim to be Christian. We claim to love God.
How can you love God whom you`ve have never seen and yet not love the
children who you see everyday?

Get your cellphones out. I want to know what you think. Tonight`s
question, "Will this story wake American up on immigration reform?" Text A
of yes, text B for no to 67622, or go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com. I`ll
bring you the following results later in the show.

For more, let me bring in Associated Press Correspondent Elliot Spagat.

Mr. Spagat, what are latest developments since this story broke?

ELLIOT SPAGAT, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS: Well, the White House official said
today that they are preparing for three military bases to open up, to
handle some of these children. Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio has
room for about 12,000 based in Ventura, California, room for about 600 in
Fort Sill, Oklahoma which I believe is 600 to 1,200 something like that
which still won`t be enough to handle the massive number of people that are
crossing.

Right now, as of yesterday, there were 700 plus children as you said mostly
from Central America who had crossed in Texas that were in this converted
warehouse in Nogales and that number the Homeland Security official told us
is expected to double to about 1,400. The flights are just coming in
whenever they`re free and the Department of Health and Human Services is
trying to locate -- they`re trying to place these children in shelters but
I think 60 left Sunday, 40 on Friday, so it`s -- they`re leaving slowly.

The military bases aren`t unexpected to open until Saturday because there`s
a certain 14-day waiting period required for the children to be screened.
So that will be a big a relief when it opens but it`s still probably won`t
be enough.

DYSON: Well, I was going to ask you. Are we realistically to expect that
there will be a wrapping up of attention here and that these children will
be treated and then processed, or do you think it`s going to be a kind of
quagmire?

SPAGAT: You know, it depends on how many more people cross. And so that`s
always hard to know. I mean this is -- the Obama administration announced
on Monday that they had asked Congress for an additional $1.4 billion to
deal with this issue and appointed FEMA to oversee the efforts and I think,
you know, it`s reached as they put it in a crisis situation. You know,
this was not what anybody would want.

As your report said, it`s getting better that Central American consulates
or official say so. But the border patrol facilities like the one in
Nogales is not designed for custody. Border patrol in general keeps people
for two or three hours and then turns them over to immigration in customs
enforcement to make a decision as to what to do either put them in a
detention facility or in the case of children, they`re turned over to
Health and Human Services to be put in a shelter.

But border patrol is not designed for this. This was a warehouse that was
never used for detention. It was used to house -- a few years ago, it was
used to housed people for two or three hours while they waited for flights
back to Mexico. So there were kids sleeping on plastic boards for a while.
The first arrived a week ago Saturday, so that`d be May 31st. Some
mattresses were arriving, some toothpaste, and toothbrushes were supposed
to arrive today according to consulates or officials.

They`re still -- the showers arrived, I think it was the Honduran official
who told me yesterday there were four showers in these facilities. So it`s
getting better but it`s still not what anybody thinks it should be.

DYSON: Sure. So who are the people on the ground at these detention
centers blaming for the crisis? I mean they`ve got to find some kind of,
you know, justification going on here for the activity or the lack of
activity, but what the frustration level? It`s got to be high there.

SPAGAT: So I mean the explanation, the common explanation that
administration gave today and has given before is that this is all about
turmoil in Central America. And I should say this is -- the problem is
that these people are mostly coming -- these children are mostly coming
from Central America. If they were from Mexico which for decades has been
the main sending area to the U.S. for people in the country illegally, they
would just be turned around to Mexico and it would really be Mexico`s
problem. They would be put in Mexican Shelters and it would be the Mexican
government`s responsibility to deal with this.

But because they are in Central America, we don`t have an adjourning
border. They have to be flown back and that gets very complicated. It
takes time in dealing with consulates to verify the identities, to get
spaces on the flights. So, you know, to your question though, it`s
problems in central America, violence in Honduras I think has the highest
murder rate in the world, a lot of drug fueled violence that is pushing the
children here.

There is also the point of view that some Republicans, lawmakers, and other
critics to the administration emphasized that the word is getting out in
Central America that you`re going to get released if you come, you know,
the administration obviously is very eager to discourage that talk and, you
know, and today emphasized that there will be place -- the children will be
placed in removal proceedings.

So they`re very eager to get the word out that this is not a free ticket to
the U.S.

DYSON: No doubt. Eliot Spagat, thank you so much for your time tonight.

SPAGAT: Thanks for having me, Michael.

DYSON: Let me bring in Washington Post Columnist and MSMBC Contributor and
my fellow Georgetown professor E.J. Dionne. Professor, how are you doing
this evening?

E.J. DIONNE, WASHINGTON POST: Good to be with you, Professor.

DYSON: All right. Look, let`s get right to the point. This is your
bailiwick. Do we have a moral obligation to address this issue?

DIONNE: Oh, I think we do have a moral obligation to address the
immigration issue even if this particular flood of young, you know, child
immigrants here is in fact generated internally by developments in Latin
American.

We have been breaking up families with our immigration policy and we`re
supposed to as a country care a lot about family values. We have a lot of
people here as we keep saying in the shadows of whose situations are
uncertain, who can exercise their rights at work or elsewhere. And I think
that there is a consensus in the country on this. The polling is quite
consistent that roughly six Americans and 10 at least believe in a solution
to this problem that we give people a path to citizenship if they met
certain requirements. And I think what`s happening is that the Republican
leadership in Congress is very reluctant to split their own caucus.

I think it`s pretty clear from things he says on some days that Speaker
Boehner wants to do something about this. He is criticized his own members
on occasion and yet on other occasions he wants to say, "Well, we can`t
make a deal because President Obama can`t be trusted." and when Democrats
say, "All right. We will pass something and it won`t take effect until
after President Obama leaves office." that doesn`t seemed to work either.
But we do have an obligation to fix our immigration policy and lots of
religious leaders, conservative, as well as progressive in our country. I
have been saying that for quite sometime.

DYSON: Yeah. With the help of that sense of obligation translate it into
some political policy and some public policy that might help. As you`ve
already indicated, many Republicans are blaming the president for this
stalemate. They say his Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals or DACA has
caused undocumented immigrants to believe women and children are allowed to
stay. Can you explain that? Can this really be blamed on a rumor like
that?

DIONNE: Well, I suppose you can blame anything for anything these days
especially if it involves President Obama. I mean the fact is that under
President Obama, we`ve had more deportations than we`ve had in the past.
And I think the president is starting to give indications that he has more
problems with -- or sort of our deporting porting so many people, which
again raises the problem of breaking up families. And he has done this
partly to show good faith to say, "Look, I do not want illegal. I don`t
support illegal immigration, but I do want a solution to this problem." and
I think if Congress continues to sit on its hands, if the Republicans keep
blocking something, I think he`s going to have to revisit that deportation
policy.

One quick thing, Chuck Todd said something interesting this morning on his
show that Eric Cantor, who faces a Tea Party primary this month has been
talking about how he has blocked amnesty for illegal immigrants. I think
he may have even be a larger obstacle for now to immigration reform even
though on the other side he too like Speaker Boehner has talked about
finding some solutions to these problems.

DYSON: Well, it`s a political mess but even the moral position here has to
be staked, right? The ethical imperative to do good by those who were
vulnerable, what about all of these family values discourse that we put out
here, the rhetoric of the right to say they are concerned about the family?
Doesn`t this suggest to us that there is a gap between the ethics that are
being espoused and the practices that are really undermining those ethics
here?

DIONNE: The short answer is, yes, absolutely. I mean as a I said earlier
I agree with you totally that the family values issue in terms of what we
are doing to break up families is one of the most important issues at stake
here. That`s why the nations Roman Catholic bishops have been so active.
They are -- about a month or so ago, they said mass on the border and
actually Cardinal O`Malley in Boston past communion through the border
fence to someone on the other side.

I think they are saying and again this transcends ideology among Catholics,
you know, very conservative as well as very progressive Catholics are
saying that if you care about the family as well as the well being and the
least among us, you can`t let our immigration situation stay like it is.

DYSON: E.J. Dionne, a well-known preacher, as well as a moralist.

DIONNE: You`re the preacher, Professor.

DYSON: Thank you so much for you time, Professor Dionne.

DIONNE: Good to be with you.

DYSON: All right. Remember to answer tonight`s question there at the
bottom of the screen and share your thoughts on Twitter at Ed Show and on
Facebook. We want to know what you think.

Coming up, more details are emerging about this weekend`s deadly shooting
rampage and the killer`s possible motives. The Rapid Response Panel weighs
in.

Plus, a tribute to the life and legacy of my dear friend Maya Angelou, poet
and activist Jessica Care Moore joins me.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

DYSON: Welcome back to the Ed Show.

Late breaking developments in this weekends Las Vegas shooting are opening
our eyes tonight. A shooting rampage in Las Vegas has left five people
dead including the two suspected shooters. All signs show this senseless
act of violence was committed by anti government activists.

Now, just take a minute to think about that. We are living in a nation
where there has been a steady drum beat and constant commentary about how
horrible this nation is. Those who claim to be patriots are leading the
charge. Right-wing media and Conservative politicians have drummed into
the unconscious collectively of this nation that this is not a country
worthy of being led by the man who`s been chosen to lead this nation.

So when you attack him, you really attack all of us. Even those of us who
oppose of political candidate should not subvert, undermined, destroy,
distort, or otherwise circumscribe the flourishing of democracy. In other
words, you and I are still American citizens. Let`s not beat up on the
nation even as we disagree with one another.

When we delegitimate the President, when we delegitimate the authority of
government, when we delegitimate the state, what we are doing is
challenging the legitimacy of sworn officials to uphold that law. And we
negotiate the difference not at the polls where we should, not in common
civil discourse where we should, but we end up engaging in especially our
right-wing brothers and sisters and those conservative politicians and some
of the most nefarious and vicious assaults upon the humanity of our
opponents and we end up making the state look as if it`s the greatest enemy
in the world. And when the state is seen as the greatest enemy in the
world, those officials like our police people and others who are sworn to
uphold the law are seen as the likely marks for those who are vulnerable to
such vicious rhetoric.

If you are American and you love this nation, you must stop the banter.
You must stop the constant drum beat of negativity that rose so easily and
so glibly from the tongues of those who are conservative politicians and
right-wing media. And guess what? You are not the most vulnerable victims
of such vicious assault. It is common, ordinary American citizens who
uphold that law. So I call upon you in the name of our common civil and if
you will engaged democracy, stop the viciousness.

So let`s review the story here. Shortly, after 11 a.m. on Sunday,
suspected shooters Jared and Amanda Miller entered at CiCi`s Pizza outside
downtown Las Vegas. The couple allegedly shot and killed Las Vegas police
officers Alyn Beck and Igor Soldo as they ate lunch.

According to witnesses, the couple shouted, "This is a revolution and we
are freedom fighters." Earlier today, the Clark County Sheriff`s Office
release details on the shooting.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KEVIN MCMAHILL, ASSISTANT SHERIFF, CLARK COUNTY: They walked past our
officers who were eating lunch and (inaudible) and immediately upon passing
them, Jared Miller pulled a hand gun out and shot officer Saldo one time in
the back of his head. Officer Saldo immediately come to his injuries. At
that time, officer Beck immediately began to react when he was confronted
with lethal gun fire from Jared Miller and he was shot once in the throat
area.

What happened after that very quickly was that Amanda Miller then removes a
hand gun from her purse and both Jared and Amanda Miller fired multiple
shots into officer Beck.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

DYSON: Suspect Jared Miller covered officer Beck`s body with a
Revolutionary War Era Gadsden flag which read, "Don`t tread on me." He
also put a swastika on top of his body.

Jared Miller went on to pin a note of officer Saldo`s body that read, "The
revolution has begun." The suspects then fled to a nearby Wal-Mart where
they killed another person before killing themselves.

A neighbor of the Millers told NBC News, the couple`s anti-government views
intensified after they attended the standoff at Cliven Bundy`s Nevada
Ranch.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LARRY BURNETTE, SHOOTERS NEIGHBOR: After a while, after the Bundy thing
going on over there. They went over there for a couple of days and then
they come back and I guess after that, Jared became anti-government, anti-
police, he -- I mean, he was talking about killing cops. He didn`t want
nothing to do with the government. He has his wife quit her job that she`s
had for a while and hell he wouldn`t even let her take the unemployment or
food stamps or anything.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Anti-government?

BURNETTE: Anti-government.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

DYSON: There are reports Jared Miller was kicked off the Bundy ranch for
having a criminal record. A reporter forum, our local affiliate KNSB (ph)
actually caught up with Jared Miller at the Bundy standoff.

Here is what Miller had to say.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JARED MILLER, SUSPECTED SHOOTER: My name is Jared Miller, J-A-R-E-D M-I-L-
L-E-R. The federal government is not almighty God, you know, they can`t
just go around pushing people around doing whatever they want anymore.

I feel sorry for any federal agents that want to come in here and try to
push us around or anything like that. I really don`t want violence for
them, but if they`re going to come bring violence to us, well, if that`s
the language they want to speak, we`ll learn it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

DYSON: My friends, my brothers, and sisters look at the relationship
between the kind of vicious anti-status rhetoric that we hear pouring out
of the mouths of right-wing politicians, and conservative ideologues, and
the kind of thing repeated here, and look at the violent consequence.

Had there been a rapper out there saying such violent things and somebody
acted upon his words, we would beat up on rep. If a Hollywood actor said
such invidious things, we`d beat up on the Hollywood actor. It`s time for
us to hold conservative politicians and right-wing ideologues accountable
for the deadly, deathly consequences of their vicious rhetoric.

Police said they are investigating any connection between the Bundy
standoff and the Millers.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MCMAHILL: As you all know there was convergence of not only Malaysia but
white supremacists and sovereign citizens to the Bundy ranch. We continue
to look at any connectivity that Jared or Amanda Miller may have to that
previous action.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

DYSON: The Miller`s neighbor went on to say, Jared Miller did make threats
against law enforcement.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BURNETTE: Later on, he started talking about killing cops. And I told
myself, you can`t be doing that, you know. That`s not right, man. I mean
my mom is a retired police officer, you can`t be doing this.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why did you say he wanted to kill cops?

BURNETTE: I think it was this (inaudible). I thought it was looting there
at first. I thought he was talking out of his, you know, (inaudible).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you just didn`t take it seriously?

BURNETTE: No, hell, no. I didn`t take it seriously. Believe me, if I had
known that they were actually going to do something like this I would have
called Metro.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

DYSON: He`s not lonely (ph). This is a culture that reproduces a
pathology. Anti-status rhetoric leads to these vicious consequences. Yes,
I said it. There`s a correlation between the two and until we take that
seriously, all of these vicious rhetoric that we hear out here, all of
these assault upon the president and the state and the legitimacy and
authority of it, it has to be taken into consideration here before we
engage in such actions that will then really contradict the very country we
claim to love.

I`m not saying we can`t be critical of the state, I`m not saying we can`t
be critical of officials, I`m suggesting that that criticism should be
couched in terms that are respectful of the humanity of our opponents even
as we vigorously argue against their particular position.

Another neighbor said that Jared Miller spoke of overthrowing the
government often.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jared was a very controlling man. He always wanted
to talk about overthrowing the government and how Obama is -- he is
disgusting.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: See what I mean? You ain`t got to be a genius to
figure out the correlation between the two.

At this point, the motive of the shooting is not entirely clear the law
enforcement. Officials did say they believe the swastika was a symbol
equating law enforcement to fascism.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MCMAHILL: We don`t necessarily believe that they are white supremacist or
associated with the Nazi movement. We believe that they equate government
and law enforcement fascism and those who support it with Nazis.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

DYSON: That constant drum beat from our neighbors to the right who
consider the government the problem and not the solution, who are
constantly delegitimating and vilifying elected officials who are
constantly holding those that they disagree with in -- of the kind of most
ridiculous and disrespectful light. This is the consequence of your
behavior and your belief.

Reports show this shooting may have been a show of violence against the
government. I think it`s fair to call this event and act of domestic
terrorism. Had it been a Muslim person? We would have rushed to do so,
because as an American citizen, we are loathed to do so. This my friends
is an unmistakable act of the domestic terrorism.

Don`t go anywhere. Next, the Rapid Response Panel weighs in on the anti-
government activities of the Las Vegas shootings rampage suspects.

And later, President Obama speaks out against climate change deniers as he
makes his intentions on environmental policy clear. Jane Kleeb joins me.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MCMAHILL: The suspects pulled the officers out of the booth and onto the
ground where they placed a Gadsden flag which is a, "Don`t tread on me",
yellow flag on the body of officer Beck. They also throw a swastika on top
of his body.

At that point, Mr. Jared Miller, they unpinned a note to officer Saldo that
basically stated that this is the beginning of the revolution.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

DYSON: Let`s get right back into the story of the shooting in Las Vegas
and its clear connections to anti-government activist.

Joining us is Richard Cohen, President of the Southern Poverty Law Center
and Former Montana Governor and MSNBC Contributor Brian Schweitzer.

Governor, your initial reaction to this shooting.

FORMER GOVERNOR BRIAN SCHWEITZER, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: Well I think it was
first reported, I think by the Washington Times and then other credible
sources that these folks had actually been out at the Bundy ranch. And as
you recall, Ed and others were warning month and a half ago telling these
conservative radio and television host and some of these Republican
politicians, they were calling these people that were showing up at the
Bundy ranch, pointing guns at law-enforcement patriots.

And Ed warned us and many people said, "Look you`ve got to tone this thing
down. We`re a country of laws. We can`t encourage people to point guns at
law-enforcement."

And there`s another thing happening in the Republican Party and in the Tea
Party and that`s a dog whistle to bring these racists in. I need to hear
from Tea Party leaders, it was the flag that they have as their symbol, the
Gadsden flag that was place on these officers.

I need to hear some leaders if there are in the Tea Party condemning this
action, condemning racism. And I certainly showed here from some of these
Republican politicians who called these people patriots.

It`s time to come together as a country. This rhetoric is not helpful.

DYSON: Richard, Governor Schweitzer makes a very powerful point here in
terms of correlating the kind of views that have been, you know,
relentlessly processed and promoted from the right-wing, especially some
elements of the Tea Party and what we saw going on this tragic shooting.
Do you think anti-government views played the role that so many of us
obviously filled it in?

RICHARD COHEN, SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTER: I think it`s without question,
true. I don`t want to vilify everybody in the Tea Party. There are lots
of reasons to be angry at our government. But we have to, you know, we
have to recognize that they`re crazed conspiracy theories running through
it and crazed, you know, racism running through it.

You know, since the President has been elected there`s been a tremendous
increase in the number of these anti-government groups, these number of
militias. About 149 groups we counted in 2008, last year we counted over a
thousand. And, you know, they`re reacting to the presence of an African-
American president. They`re being wept into hysteria by, you know, these
crazy conspiracy theories that one hears on talk radio and on certain
television programs. You know, it`s a real combustible mix.

DYSON: No doubt about it. You know, Richard, a neighbor said she was not
alarm by threats. So have threats become so common that people are immune
to their -- meaning I`ll ask you that first before I ask Governor
Schweitzer.

COHEN: I hope not. You know, the Supreme Court, some cases are pending
right now that might give us more definition of what`s a true threat, what
can be prosecuted and what not. I think it`s really incredibly important
for law enforcement to be vigilant. I think it`s important to train police
officers for the signs of kind of radical antigovernment groups that been
some offers some killed because they didn`t understand who they were
dealing with.

It`s important that law enforcement share information. And it`s important
as the governor said for, you know, responsible people not to lionize the,
you know, the Cliven Bundys of the world. But to, you know, recognize them
from what they are, dangerous zealots.

DYSON: Right. Well, governor, one of the shooters was president at the
Cliven Bundy`s ranch. Could the situation there have sparked the shooting?
We`re trying to figure out that all of that viscous assault upon duly
elected officials and the government writ large has led to this kind of
punitive, you know, and damaging consequence in a guy who takes up arm
literally and thinks, "Well, I`m doing the right thing here, because I`m
doing -- what I`m doing as an extension of what I heard there and many of
the places."

SCHWEITZER: Well when you bring up a lot of people together they`re
disgruntled for all kinds of separate reasons. And then they watch while
some of them point guns at federal officials. It`s sort of emboldens the
rest of them. I`ve talked to some people that have returned from the Bundy
ranch here in Montana that are militia people and they have wild ideas.
And it`s because they`ve been just talking to each other and it doesn`t
have to be factual anymore.

If you have everybody that surrounding you, believes the same thing, it
becomes an alternative reality for you. You know, since Obama was elected
there`s been such a run on ammunition into a lesser extent guns. It hasn`t
happened this way since the last time we had a Democrat in the White House.
And part of it is the gun manufactures themselves are ginning this rhetoric
up, using the NRA and people are buying bullets. And you can`t even buy
bullets now.

This warehouse to say, "Look we`re out." We don`t know where all these
guns and bullets are going but they are antigovernment people and it`s
being ginned up because there`s a Democrats in the White House.

DYSON: Yeah, no doubt about that. Richard Cohen, Governor Schweitzer,
thanks for your time tonight.

COHEN: Thank you.

DYSON: There`s a lot more coming up on the ED Show. Stay tune.

HAMPTON PEARSON: I`m Hampton Pearson with your CNBC Market Wrap. The Dow
adds at 18 points today, the SNP up one, the NASDAQ gaining 14 points.
Netflix share holders voted against the resolution to split the CEO and
chairman positions boundary at Hasting has held both titles since 2002.
Oil prices jumping on positive economic news out of Asia. Oil settling at
a three month high, just over $104 a barrel. Amazon is taking on Paypal,
it launched a new service that allows customers to pay recurring bills like
phone and digital music subscriptions. That`s it from CNBC, first in
business worldwide.

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DYSON: Time now for the Trenders. Keep in touch with the ED Show on
Twitter at ED Show and on Facebook and you can find me on Twitter at
Michael E. Dyson. The ED Show media nation has decided and we`re
reporting. Here today`s top Trenders voted on by you.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There will be no triple crown one more time.

DYSON: The number three Trender, tarnished.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It wasn`t the ending so many had hoped for.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Chrome finishing out of the money in a tied for four.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: California Chrome`s owner proves to be a sore loser.

STEVE COBURN, CHROME OWNER: This is not fair to these horses, that have
been running their guts out for these people. This is a coward way out.

They don`t want to see a triple crown winner, may hold out too and then
come back and run one. That would be like me at six-two playing basketball
with the kid in the wheel chair.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What did you just say?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How do you feel this morning Steve?

COBURN: Very shamed to myself. I need to apologize to the winners.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m sorry.

DYSON: The number two Trender, Syrian Shuffle.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Two years ago, a trouble with his e-mails and all of
the sudden the worlds had a fascinating gleams into his music taste.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I saw a downloaded video games, movies, app and tunes
by Ellen FAO.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: John Oliver and rights said Fred (ph) sound off on a
sad`s playlist.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re too awful for this earth (ph), so awful for this
earth (ph), so awful it has.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you know who sing this?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Spice Girls?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When dealing with some with the political instincts of
a young Joseph Stalin and a music taste of a 14 year old girl.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So please, stop downloading our track, stop downloading
our tracks. Here`s your money back.

DYSON: And today`s top Trender, Phenomenal Women.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The tribute for one of these generation`s greatest
writers and poet.

MAYA ANGELOU: Remember me as a sunny day.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hundreds gathered to remember Dr. Maya Angelou.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Family and friends gathered to celebrate the life of
Maya Angelou.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s no mourning here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She didn`t just want to be phenomenal herself. She
wanted all of us to be phenomenal right a long beside her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She called our attention in thousands of ways, to her
belief that life is a gift, manifest in each new day.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And I am the women I am the day because she was.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have added to the population of angels.

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DYSON: Joining me now is Poet and Activist, Jessica Care Moore, founder of
Black Woman Rock and author of Sunlight through the Bullet Holes. Jessica
Care Moore, thank you so much for joining us.

JESSICA CARE MOORE, FOUNDER, BLACK WOMEN BLACK: Thank you so much for
having Dr. Dyson, I appreciate it.

DYSON: Yes Ma`am. Look, let`s get right to the point. You were a
phenomenal poet yourself.

MOORE: Yeah.

DYSON: .but obviously Maya Angelou.

MOORE: Thank you.

DYSON: .broke the mode. Tell us what you think made her so powerful, so
engaging to so many millions.

MOORE: When I was introduced to Dr. Maya Angelou`s work. When I was just
a little girl growing up in Detroit, I was just probably maybe nine of 10
years old, when I learned Phenomenal Women and I heard the words of, you
know, I raised, still I raise and those words became a part of my DNA. You
know, I wouldn`t have been able to be the poet that I am today or the woman
that I am, has she not existed.

She`s a part of my subconscious, you know, was like black -- young black
girls in particularly, you know, when you grow up and you see magazine
cover that don`t look like you and then you read Maya Angelou`s work and
you understand that you are beautiful. So I walked in that light and I
took her into Junior High, into high school with me. And because she was
possible I was possible.

DYSON: Right.

MOORE: And that was long before I even, you know, did the Apollo and that
poem I wrote Black Statue of Liberty, that couldn`t have happen if
phenomenal woman hadn`t already happen. If I would`ve been given the tools
by Dr. Maya Angelou to say, "You are beautiful." It`s in the curve of your
back, you know. It`s in your walk, you know. It`s in every -- it`s the
way that you come into a room.

DYSON: Sure.

MOORE: And so, she`s so important still and will continue I think to be an
important part of the literally cannon and see young girls everywhere all
over the world.

DYSON: Now, when you think about her work as you so eloquently describe it
there, how does that translate to a new generation that has a different
sensibility when it come to poetry and yet poetry as you pulled by the
success of your books and your performances is still relevant to the lives
of young people?

MOORE: Well what`s beautiful about poetry is that it`s timeless. Good
poems don`t go by, you know, poems don`t go out of style like you might put
out of Rat record. And, you know, 10, 20 years later people, "Like
remember that record? Yes, it was cool for a moment." But poetry when
it`s well written, it truly timeless, it`s something that you can always
pick up. I reread the book in house. My home is covered in poetry and
books that I`ve read, Sonia Sanchez`s book and (inaudible), Gwendolyn
Brooks.

I go back to these women writers constantly for reflection, for necessary
inspiration, so I can remember how to write good poems. And so that`s the
beauty of it. I mean, you know, a phenomenal woman isn`t going anywhere.

DYSON: Right.

MOORE: You know, who doesn`t need to hear that? Our daughters need to
hear that.

DYSON: Right.

MOORE: Our babies in kindergarten and first grade, they even memorizing
all of Mara Angelou`s work now. And so it`s the beauty of poetry. I mean,
you know, we study the class six, modernism -- you know, to Eliot Whitman.
But those poems are still here, you know. And I think Shakespeare, I don`t
think those writers are going anywhere.

DYSON: All right. Well but we`ll add Jessica Care Moore to that cannon
(ph) as well. Thank you so much for joining us here tonight.

MOORE: Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate you.

DYSON: Coming up, Janet Porter tries the rain on Disney World`s pride
parade. Pretenders is next.

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DYSON: In Pretenders tonight, the Mickey Mouse snow, Janet Porter of the
president of the conservative Faith2Action group condemned gay day at
Disney world. The unofficial event welcomes LGBT individuals to the magic
kingdom. Reporter has said the Teacup right has no room for homosexuals.

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JANET PORTER: If your vacation plans include Disney world next week, you
may want to rethink them. On Saturday June, 7th the homosexual agenda is
planning to once again descend upon Disney world in Orlando Florida to
expose your children to far more than Mickey Mouse and space mountain.
While Disney world isn`t warning families, the Florida Family Association
is among the groups flying airplane banners to warn families about the
upcoming day when cross-dressing men will be among those parading public
displays of perversion at Disney World.

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DYSON: Janet Porter doesn`t need to bring her small minded bigotry to the
"it`s a small world ride." If Janet Porter thinks she can spread hate to
the happiest place on earth. She can keep on pretending.

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DYSON: Welcome back to the Ed show. This is the story for the folks who
take a shower after work.

President Obama has taken a firm stands on the environment. Last week the
EPA unveiled an ambitious new plan to reduce pollution. President Obama
said, "Science is Science" in interview with New York Times columnist
Thomas Friedman. Progressive groups are calling out the climate change
deniers. American united for change release a new ad showcasing footage of
Republican politicians disputing the validity of scientific claims about
global warming.

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REP STEVE STOCKMAN: The new fad thing is going to American around the
world is called global warming.

SEN DAVID VITTER: I do not think the science clearly supports the global
warming theory.

REP DON YOUNG: I think this is the biggest scam since the Teapot Dome.

RICK SANTORUM: The science just simply doesn`t back up the issue of global
warming.

There is no such think as global warming.

REP TIM GRIFFEN: There are a lot of shenanigans going on with the data.

REP DAVID SCHWEIKERT: I don`t see the data. And I have not sat there with
pages and pages of data.

SEN TED CRUZ: The data are not supporting with advocates are arguing. The
last 15 years, there has been no recorded warming.

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DYSON: Can this people listened Nelly, "It`s getting hot in here".
President Obama says, for the rest of his term he aim to shift public
opinion. But the real work is trying to shift policy. Jane Kleeb,
executive director of Bold Nebraska joins me now. Thank you so much for
joining us.

JANE KLEEB, EXEC DIRECTOR BOLD NEBRASKA: Yes, good to be with you.

DYSON: Do you think the president is doing enough to really bring this
issue to poor (ph) and really to try to fight this deniers and what they
claim to be true?

KLEEB I think his starting too. And I think you see, you know, you saw
that last year with the Georgetown speech, where he actually really lay.

DYSON: Right.

KLEEB: .a very clear line in the sand saying that this is science and he
made the case actually for denying Keystone XL, I would argue with that
point.

DYSON: Right.

KLEEB: And he made a really good point to Thomas Friedman in the peace.
He said "We as voters have to start taking -- having -- to keeping
politician accountable and making them talk about climate change in a
serious way and having honest discussion by energy policies." I think for
too long including Democrats, we just didn`t want to talk about it. To
complicated science, it`s too, you know, it just we don`t want to go there.
We have got to start having those conversations.

DYSON: No doubt about that. Let me -- a reason Washington post and ABC
news post said 70 percent of Americans support limit on greenhouse gases.
But why do you think republican are still undeniable about this? Their
acting like the post on existing that the gas house affects don`t take, you
know, are not real.

KLEEB: I would hate to say it`s the simplified, but it is that their money
of vast majority of political donation comes from big oil and big gas and
big coal.

DYSON: Right, right.

KLEEB: And so we got to start to kind of realizing that they`re talking
not for their constituents, not for carbon pollution that`s kind of
consuming there the communities in their areas.

DYSON: Right.

KLEEB: Their speaking for their -- people who are lighting their pockets.
It`s really that simple.

DYSON: Yeah it is pretty simple isn`t it? So the EPA`s new rule says,
"Existing power plants must reduce carbon dioxide emission by 30 percent by
2030. Do you think that`s really enough?

KLEEB: It`s not enough to solve climate change but it absolutely a step on
the right direction. Just like denying Keystone XL is not going to solve
climate change but it`s a step in a right direction.

DYSON: Right.

KLEEB: To many times people said that climate change is inevitable. That
tart sands is inevitable. Neither one of those is inevitable if we take
the right steps. We`ve got to diversify our energy sources. And.

DYSON: Right.

KLEEB: . the 30 percent is not going mean all coal plants are getting
shutdown or that even coal industry is going to lose their share of the
market. It just means we going to diversify our energy base, just where we
need to be.

DYSON: All right. So each state will be able to come up with its own plan
to met the goal under the new EPA proposal. Briefly, do you think that`s a
good think?

KLEEB: You know, will see, right? We saw some good and bad with
ObamaCare, that was our first state experiment. And so if Republican is
serious about state rights will take president Obama from his offer.

DYSON: Well say it. Jane Kleeb, thank you so much. That`s the Ed show.
I`m Michael Eric Dyson in for Ed Schultz. Politics Nation with the
Reverend Al Sharpton starts right now.

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