THE ED SHOW
June 25, 2014
Guest: James Clyburn, Mike Rogers, Anthony Swift, Mike Papantonio, Barbara
ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Let`s get to work.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GOV. MARK DAYTON, (D) MINNESOTA: Mine it here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Make it here.
DAYTON: Mine it here.
SCHULTZ: It`s about jobs.
JOHN BOEHER, (R-OH) HOUSE SPEAKER: Where are the jobs?
SCHULTZ: There`s a place in Northern Minnesota that`s called the Iron
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We will not sit back and let you turn the domestic
steel industry into a Wal-Mart.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Rallied on Monday against alleged steel dumping.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Those imports undermine our American made products.
SCHULTZ: The illegal dumping of steel in America which is gutting our
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: International trade commission has decided to stop
imposing tariffs on enforce of steel products from Korea.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They want the federal government to impose tariffs`
unfair imports that are threatening our jobs here.
BOEHNER: Where are the jobs?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The steel market is suffering from a global glut.
DAYTON: Stand up for American workers and enforce fair trade practices.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We ain`t afraid of a fight.
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SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight folks. Thanks for watching.
After the program last night, I got a few e-mails from my personal account
and a few folks asked me, "Ed, you`re advocating protectionism. You`re a
protectionist." To a certain level, I am. Absolutely. But I`m also a
businessman and profit loss is huge. And I think that we as Americans can
make a distinction between fair and unfair, profit and greed. Oh, I think
so. No doubt.
You`ll notice in some of the coverage that we`ve had that there is a lot of
steel on the market worldwide. But the question is quality. And the
question is who`s dumping it, and who`s breaking the law, and who`s playing
fair. That`s what this whole thing is about.
Now, we could talk about candidates, and politics, and votes until the cows
come home. But if everyone in Washington is so concerned about jobs, I
think that this is really a benchmark issue. What is going to happen to
the steel industry in America? Are our politicians going to exercise every
right they have within a trade agreement to do something to save American
Now, I`m encouraged that there`s 57 senators that have signed on to a
letter to the commerce department to say, "Hey, do something about this."
And there`s 157 people in the House that have done it, but why -- where are
the rest of them?
I want to start tonight talking about jobs again, because that is the
lynchpin. You can`t listen to a candidate anywhere without them talking
about jobs and they all have the answers on how to create jobs. I do
believe in a level of protectionism. I also believe that if you sign a
contract, both parties have to live up to it. We have a deal. We have a
trade agreement that gives our commerce department the legal right to get a
certain level of protectionism on this industry and they`re not doing it.
Now, we hear a lot of talk about jobs in Washington D.C. and when it comes
to action, there`s a lot of inaction going on especially with Republicans
and some Democrats are silent as well. Now, we know that the trade deals
that we have engaged in in the last 20 years kill American jobs. The free
market has been a free-for-all on the American soil.
Now, it`s a fact that no one can argue with the numbers that are out there.
The most recent of -- there`s been a number of trade deals, but the most
recent is the South Korean free trade agreement and it is choking this
industry. South Korea is dumping cheap foreign steel on the American
market. It`s always about the bottom line, isn`t it? What about quality?
What about American jobs? This is not protecting the American steel
industry. It`s not going to take any money out of any one percenter`s
pocket in this country. And no one in Washington seems to care about
what`s going on.
Over 4,000 steelworkers have lost their jobs since 2012. Nationwide,
roughly 583,000 jobs are at risk right now because of bad policy. In 2012,
the United States steel industry had net losses of $388 million. In 2013,
losses rose in the next year of $1.2 billion. Now, do you get this? Is
this a good trend? Hell, no. The United States steel industry is in rough
shape right now and the steel industry may not be able to survive unless
this trend is reversed.
Now, earlier today, United Steelworkers` President Leo Gerard spoke to the
Senate Finance Committee. Ron Wyden chairs this committee. He wants to
know what`s going on to his credit. Mr. Gerard stepped forward and made it
very clear to the community what is at stake.
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LEO GERARD, UNITED STEELWORKERS, PRESIDENT: The oil country tubular goods
is the product being used to bring natural gas and oil to the surface. It
is a high value product and our companies have invested billions, I say
billions with a B, and plant in equipment needed to make this. South Korea
produces this product and I repeat they produce this product only for
Workers across this country, those directly involved in production of this
product and those dependent on the job simply relied with their case and
are being rallying for change. The words have been heard by elected
officials. 57 members of the Senate signed a letter to the administration
asking the administration to use the correct analysis.
We have hundreds of our members, if not thousands, were either laid-off,
working shorter hours, or waiting to be laid-off because the market is
being distorted by Korea.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: So if you`re a business person and you have invested billions of
dollars and you see it going right down the toilet because the country that
you`re operating is in has entered into a lousy trade agreement that allows
another country to produce and drop it on your market, would you think
Why is U.S. steel and all of these other companies that are involved in
this getting nailed by our own government? Why? And elected officials sit
and they listen to testimony but now they`ve got to do something. If
elected officials spoke to the people on the ground, they might take this
issue a little bit more seriously.
On Monday, I attended the rally in Virginia, Minnesota. We`ve talked about
it the last few nights. These iron miners and steelworkers, they`re on
edge. These workers are trying to save their jobs. And they told me if
action isn`t taken in Washington, Minnesota`s Iron Range is going to be in
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SCHULTZ: This is the Iron Range, home to engineers and miners since 1890s.
The region is the center of Minnesota`s mining industry. The Mesabi Iron
Range served as a landing spot for immigrants from Finland, Croatia, Bosnia
and Italy all seeking honest work and the American dream.
MATT LUOMA, MINNTAC IRON ORE OPERATIONS: Then there`s a lot of people who
we`ve got, they`re really at risk and they got way from in their home.
SCHULTZ: The hardiness of these pioneers shape the spirit of the region.
Mining is not just a job, mining is a way of life that`s held this
community together for generations.
Minntac Iron Ore Operations employs over 1,300 workers.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (Inaudible) and operates it, we have about 48 here at
the -- on the mine site.
SCHULTZ: The company is the largest consumer of electricity in the state
and produces approximately 16 million nektons of pellets a year for steel
productions. They`re grip is as big as their machinery.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is one of our 240 ton Cat haul trucks. We use
U.S. steel to haul either crude oil or waste truck. You can haul up 240
tons of rock per load with one of these haul trucks. These are 12 foot
players (ph). The cost alone is in the $40,000 range.
UNDENTIFIED MALE: These piled a truck of rocks, you could use that
railroad ballast but we use it also as a trim we put it in the steel making
process and it cleans up the steel.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: From here to the end is about seven -- well, probably
going six and a half to seven miles.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That area is all mined out and then we`re just walking
back filling it with surface.
CHRISSY BARTOVICH, DIR., ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES, U.S. STEEL: So I think
it`s not your grandfather`s industry anymore. Things have changed a lot.
Where all of us are for sustainability and improving things and making sure
that they`re good for the future.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 100 steelworker jobs have been added locally.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Officials from U.S. steel say there are more to come.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s not even including the spin-off jobs, it`ll come
from other retail businesses and support businesses in the area.
SCHULTZ: Despite recent growth, the Iron Range is at risk. The advent of
Korean steel threatens infrastructure with a cheap product and puts
American jobs like those at Minntac in danger.
The U.S. government stands still while these trade regulations are ignored.
Tariffs are pushed to the back burner and new deals are brokered on the
backs of hard working Americans.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A tough day for steelmakers in the U.S. led by U.S.
steel. This is after the Department of Commerce declined to impose tariffs
or taxes on South Korean steel.
SEN. SHERROD BROWN, (D) OHIO: If we as a government accept this kind of
behavior from Korea, it will show the rest of the world a blueprint on how
you take jobs in the United State of America.
DAYTON: And the governor`s job is to stand with the people of the Iron
Range, to stand with all of you for this and Minnesota`s future and in
Minnesota people. Keep the playing level and Minnesota taconite will not
only compete, it will win. Why? Because we have the best workforce in the
world, we have you.
SCHULTZ: In Virginia, Minnesota, 1,500 men and women gathered to ask what
could they do to save the Iron Range, to save their jobs of their fathers,
their sisters and brothers, and the future jobs of their children.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stand up, fight back.
SCHULTZ: This community wants the same thing as any other middle class
family around the nation; to put food on the table, pay for the education
of their children, honest pay for honest work, a fair shot at the American
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Crucial. This is a crucial time and I`m glad that we
have a couple of thousands Minnesotan`s here to take a stand. I`d like to
believe on Obama administration that they would stand up for American
workers, for Minnesota steelworkers here and not let Korea get away with
this kind of illegal dumping in this business and the labor going together
with a common cause, common cause of survival.
LUOMA: We can compete with the best of them but we all have to have a
level playing field so that they really have to make sure that there is a
level playing field level. Mining is huge around here and every job these
guys got on the reign (ph) it seems like it`s either a mining job or some
kind of a spin-off job connected to this.
BARTOVICH: If everyone knows the cost of doing business, it`s something
that we all live here, work here, and play here and we want to protect them
all for us and for our children and our neighbors.
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SCHULTZ: Here on the Ed Show on MSNBC, we try to bring you real stories
about real people that matter to the kitchen table, to the family, and to
the community. This is another one of those stories.
Now, we can sit back and say nothing, and do nothing, and let the free
market absolutely gut the middle class in this country, or we can give a
damn. We can care about national security. You can`t do anything in this
country when it comes to manufacturing unless you have steel.
And the hawks are running around and saying that we`ve got to have a strong
defense, why wouldn`t they support the steel industry? Doesn`t that make
sense? The workers are the workers. That one percent, the two percent
earners in this country, you`re not going to be affected a bit. No one`s
going to come take your taxes even more because we save an industry. This
is about the foundation of America and we have to realize that if we allow
these foundations to be a road-in (ph) we are a weaker country.
Where is all these American exceptionalism that the conservatives love to
talk about? It`s on Main Street in Virginia, Minnesota. Who gives a damn?
I do and I would hope that everyone who`s elected cares about American
jobs. I`m tired of the slogans, I`m tired of the speeches, I want to see
some action from this administration to stand up and say, "We`re not going
to allow trade agreements to overrun this country." They`re cheating.
South Korea is cheating, China is cheating, nine other countries are
cheating and our country is allowing them to get away with it. We stand
here -- well, we`re not sure if we`re going to vote on this or not. Well,
we`re not really sure we`re going to tell the Commerce Department to do
something about it. We`re afraid of tariffs because that goes against an
ideology of free market, no it doesn`t. This is about fairness in
competition and if we`re about American exceptionalism, we don`t back down
Get your cellphones out. I want to know what you think. Tonight`s
question, "Will Congress ever get serious about protecting American jobs?"
Text A for yes, text B for no to 67622. Go to our blog, leave a comment on
this at msnbc.com, we`ll bring you the results later on in the show.
Joining me tonight, Congressman James Clyburn of South Carolina.
Congressman, good to have you with us tonight.
Can you explain to me the sense of urgency amongst those in Congress who
get it and those who don`t?
REP. JAMES CLYBURN, (D) SOUTH CAROLINA: Well, thank you so much for having
Yes, there is a tremendous sense of urgency in the Congress. I don`t know
what`s going to happen on the House side of whether or not there are
appropriate legislation will be brought forward. But I do know that we
have to have fairness in all of our trade agreements and we`ve got to have
fairness in our tax code.
I believe that fair trade and a fair tax code ought to be working hand and
glove in order to create the kind of environment that we need in order to
expand the manufacturing in this country and protect, I`ll use the word
protect, the steel industry from dumping and everything else is taking
place, this undercutting the working men and women in that industry is got
to be done and we ought to get serious about doing it and get serious real
I`m very pleased to hear that 57 senators are on board. What I want to see
now, the Republican leadership in the House coming on board and bringing
legislation that allows us to do what is necessarily to make stability,
bring stability to these families.
SCHULTZ: Would you be in favor of tariffs? Would you support the Commerce
Department taking some legal action within the trade agreement to stop
CLYBURN: Well, I think the (inaudible) trade agreement that we come up
with should contain enforcement procedures. That`s one of the reasons I
signed on to the letter going to this administration bring in to each
attention the kind of things that we want to see in a trade agreement and
not to fast track this thing in such a way that we cannot have deliberate
discussions taking place by all of us who are representing the workers.
Nucor steel is in my Congressional district and I`m interested in making
sure that the men and women working in that plant or not under track (ph)
within the kind of trade agreement that may come out of this
SCHULTZ: Congressman, I`d like to talk to you about another matter
tonight. John Boehner, Speaker of the House, making some news today
talking about how he is ready to sue the President of the United States.
Here is the clip.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you planning to initiate a lawsuit against the
Obama administration and President Obama over his use of executive actions?
JOHN BOEHNER SPEAKER: I am. The constitution makes it clear that the
President`s job was to faithfully execute the laws. When there`s complex
like this between the legislative branch and the administrative branch,
it`s in my view our responsibility to stand up for this institution in
which we serve.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Congressman, your reaction to this. The threat is now apparently
going to turn into action by Boehner.
CLYBURN: Well, I think that`s a shame. The fact of the matter is this
administration like every other administration is and should be about the
business of enforcing the laws. But we have to always make sure that when
you have a House that has (inaudible) that this House has been, the
president has a certain responsibility to use his authority and the
executive orders or authorities given to the president of the United States
by our constitution and our system of government. And I don`t think that
you`re going outside of the law when you use the authority that you have,
that`s why it`s there.
I have the impression the president for a long time to make better use and
more use of executive orders in order to move the agenda forward. These
guys submitted very clear from day one .
CLYBURN: . that, Ed, number one priority is to make sure that this
president is not successful. That is what this is all about and I think
the President knows that.
SCHULTZ: All right. Congressman James Clyburn of South Carolina, good to
have you with us tonight. I appreciate your time. Thank you, sir.
CLYBURN: Thank you so much for having me.
SCHULTZ: You bet. Remember to answer tonight`s question there at the
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Coming up, the debate over the Keystone XL Pipeline rages on. Rapid
Response Panel weighs in as our series Divided Heartland: The American
But first, marriage equality gets some leeway from the GOP. But not all
conservatives are listening to the voice of the voters. Stay with us.
SCHULTZ: What`s hot and what`s not. Time now for the Trenders Social
Media. This is where you can find us facebook.com/edshow,
twitter.com/edshow and ed.msnbc.com. I appreciate all the comments. You
can find my podcast @wegoted.com 24/7, also on Raw Story and
The Ed Show Social Media Nation has decided, we are reporting. Here
today`s top Trenders voted on by you.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, you dig that.
SCHULTZ: The number three Trender, chop jump (ph).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Luis Suarez of Uruguay apparently bit his opponent
during a match versus Italy.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You look good enough to eat.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s Chiellini showing the bite marks to the ref.
SCHULTZ: A world cup player takes a fight out of his opponent.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s the third time in four seasons that Suarez has
been involved in a biting incident.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Those are occurrences that happen on the pitch.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is a man whose nickname is the "cannibal."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: FIFA, the governing body is likely to issue its
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: See fit, you can`t quit.
SCHULTZ: The number two Trender, I, Robot.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The new robot guy in the Tokyo museum looks so eerily
human and speaks so smoothly they almost outdo people.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our goal is to promote and to put to use some various
robots that can be useful in a large range of fields in society.
SCHULTZ: These Androids want to take over the anchor chair.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My dream when I grow old is to have my own TV
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The robolution is upon us and cannot be stopped.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kodomorid read the news without stumbling one.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Haven`t I proved that his fembots are more effective
that your bionics?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If you hear about the newscaster job, please let me
SCHULTZ: And today`s top Trender, something old old, something new.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As states continue to end their bans on gay marriage.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A Marion County court is saying they will issue same
sex marriage licenses immediately.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Though our court striked them down.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: For the first time, a federal appeals court has ruled
that a state ban on same sex marriage is unconstitutional.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Some Republicans are urging the GOP to drop its own
opposition as well.
SCHULTZ: Conservatives split on same sex marriage acceptance.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The opposition in same sex marriage is a for petition
and may actually be a plus for Republicans?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s definitely a winner.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Republican Parties of Nevada and Indiana have
already removed the definition of marriage from their platforms.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You don`t think you`re on the wrong side of history on
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not at all.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think marriage between a man and a woman but again if
the boards decide that they want gay marriage, I`m not going to oppose it.
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SCHULTZ: Joining me tonight, Mike Rogers of rawstory.com. Mike, good to
have you with us.
Are we witnessing a political capitulation unfolding that the social
pressure and the change has taken place and the Republicans don`t know what
to do with it although Ralph Reed will not surrender. He says that this a
political winner for them. Your thoughts on all of this and what`s
MIKE ROGERS, RAWSTORY.COM: Well, I think Ralph Reed is certainly an
outlier because as we know Republican after Republican is starting to
realize what`s happening and they don`t want to be on the wrong side of
history. And as we just heard even in Wisconsin, a Republican United State
Senator comes out and says, "If that`s what the people want, I won`t fight
it." and he`s no dummy. Wisconsin elected the first lesbian senator. So
he knows what the elector will tolerate and what they won`t tolerate. And
these guys have to get with the program.
Ralph Reed, of course, it is a winner. It is a winner for him in the
crazy, fanatical, right-wing primaries. And what he has failed to
understand and he`s just a few years older than I am. He has failed to
join in TV social media revolution. He can`t spew all of that hate and win
in a primary and not have it on video and recorded for the whole country to
see when the general election comes up. So he is clearly out of the
mainstream and frankly doesn`t know what he`s talking about.
SCHULTZ: And this trend continues in the courts as well. Today, an
Indiana judge declared that the states ban unconstitutional and the 10th
circuit Court of Appeals ruled on same sex marriage in Utah. So, do
rulings like this make it harder for the GOP to stand in the way of
marriage equality and all they have left is the Ralph Reeds of the world
running around telling people to run on it?
ROGERS: Well, you have it judge in Utah who is a federal appeals court,
the first time that an appeals court in the federal judiciary has ruled our
way which this could seriously become the case that goes up to the federal
court -- that goes up to the Supreme Court.
What`s interesting is that the judge who ruled on this case was so highly
recommended by James Inhofe of Oklahoma, the ultra right-winger called him
an unqualified, you know, I`m sorry, you know, he`s unqualified success
that he would be a great judge and a man of great character.
So even the ones that are supported by these right-wingers that judge
supported by Rick Santorum tore down the Pennsylvania ban and .
ROGERS: . Rick Santorum was quiet about that. So, these guys have to be
able to read the same news that you and I are reading and hopefully they
will get it.
SCHULTZ: So, we`re seeing groups as you mentioned like Faith & Freedom
Coalition, Family Research Council. They`re still adamantly opposed to
same sex marriage but some Republicans want to leave it up to the voters.
And this seems to be the play that the Republicans are doing. "Hey, I`m
against it but we`ll leave it up to the voters." Is that going to fly with
these groups or are these groups losing their influence within the party
ROGERS: I think they are losing their influence. I think these guys are
involved in a civil war over marriage. You have folks who are out there
like Ted Cruz and all these crazies on the right-wing who are screaming.
And then you have guys like Chris Christie who wants to be president, who
knows better than to challenge his state Supreme Court ruling for marriage
and in fact, reappointed a member of that court who ruled for marriage
I don`t think the right-wing is going to love that. This is going to be a
real mess for them in two years during the primary season. They won`t know
what to do.
SCHULTZ: Mike Rogers of rawstory.com, great to have you with us tonight.
Mike, thank you so much.
ROGERS: Thank you, Ed.
SCHULTZ: Still ahead -- you bet. Still ahead, conservatives push for a
Senate vote on the Keystone XL Pipeline. Oh, wait a minute, we got a leak
in pipeline number one.
Our series Divided Heartland: The American Debate continues.
Plus, Dick Cheney is back to his old tricks, fear-mongering on his media
blitz. Congresswoman Barbara Lee weighs in on all of these.
But next, I`m taking your questions Ask Ed Live right here on MSNBC coming
up. Stay with us.
SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. I appreciate all the questions,
love hearing from our viewers tonight in our Ask Ed Live Segment. Our
first question comes from Holly. She wants to know, "Can I sue speaker
Boehner for causing me emotional distress for doing nothing on the
Well Holly, my advice would be go out and find a young upstart
constitutional attorney and let him have at it. Yeah, you can do anything
you want. Absolutely, you can sue him. Very interesting.
Our next question is from Fred. He wants to know, "Will the Tea Party
leave the Republican Party in 2014 and be a third party?" Well, I think
the probability of that happening after what unfolded last night is
probably greater now than it`s ever been. They key here is, is that they
could raise money. And their egos are huge.
So I think we`re closer to a third party on the right than we probably have
ever been. The John Berchert (ph) of old are now rolling in their grave
saying, "Yeah, go, do it."
Stick around, Rapid Response Panel is next.
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SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Republicans are trying to push for
another vote on the controversial Keystone XL pipeline, basically a
symbolic up or down vote of the pipeline collapsed under senate debate last
month. Senator John Barrasso of Wyoming is blaming Democrats for a delay.
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JOHN BARRASSO, [R] WYOMING: I`m disappointed. I know my colleagues are
that Senate Democrats up to this point have chosen to block this important
bill. And it`s outrageous the way a small group of Democrats refuse even
to consider having a debate on this vital measure, energy security for,
energy at home. America needs the jobs, we need the energy.
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SCHULTZ: All of that is bogus. That Senator from Wyoming, Mr. Barrasso is
wrong. TransCanada has proposed Keystone XL pipeline would not help the
United States move towards energy independence, that`s been proven. It`s
basically a hazard to the environment, only 35 permanent jobs are going to
be created and it would be a bad call to approve it.
Now, here`s something, the already existing Southern Leg of the first
pipeline, the Keystone 1 pipeline is being called into questions, because
inspections by the Federal Pipeline and Hazardous Material Safety
Administration found TransCanada wasn`t using approve welding procedures to
connect pipes when it was built.
Well, TransCanada, you could come to a conclusion, shut themselves in the
foot. Safety regulators tact on new construction requirements for the
remaining portions of the pipeline, these revelations about the existing
pipeline prove what liberals have been saying all along. There`s no reason
for the Republicans to be pushing for the approval of the Keystone XL
pipeline because it`s not safe, it`s risky.
Property owners in Nebraska asked the State Supreme Court to uphold a
February ruling, blocking the pipeline is being reviewed by the State
Supreme Court. Meantime the permit that TransCanada needs to build in
South Dakota expires on four days, on June 29th.
Joining me tonight for out Rapid Response Panel Anthony Swift, attorney
with the national resource of defense council, also Ring of Fire radio
host, America`s attorney Mike Papantonio.
Gentleman, great to have you with us. Pap, you first, I mean the
permitting process, it`s not complete, it`s incomplete now in South Dakota,
they`re going to run through it again, it`s all hang up in the courts in
Nebraska, what is this vote all about?
MIKE PAPANTONIO, RING OF FIRE RADIO: Well the story that you covered last
week about the Koch brothers calling their billionaire palace to California
is part of the back story here. A major part of that meeting was devoted
towards saying, how do we come up with a new narrative about climate
change. And the new narrative has already been unleashed, we see it this
Here it is, first of all, the Republican narrative is we have to solve our
mid east, dependence on energy supplies because Iran and Iraq and Syria are
so unstable. That`s true, but this pipeline certainly doesn`t want to do
that. The other part of the narrative Ed is their economy is shrinking and
therefore we have to kick start it with all the jobs we`re going to get
from the pipeline.
What this is about is Republicans need to make Democrats look like they`re
anti-jobs, they`re anti-growth, they`re anti-energy independent coming up
to 2014 and 2016. So after that narrative was perfected in California by
the billionaire inheritance babies who are actually in charge of this, you
have errand (ph) boys like Senator John Barrasso who are ordered to get
this Koch brothers narrative started. And here it is, Keystone equals
jobs, Keystone equals growth, Keystone equals energy independence, anti-
Keystone is un-American, that`s what we`re going to be hearing again and
again in the.
SCHULTZ: I think you spot on on all of that. Anthony Swift, your take. I
mean, Swift, is this momentum definitely shifting to those who are
concerned about the environment because of the quality of this oil and
because it won`t make us energy independent.
ANTHONY SWIFT, ATTORNEY, NRDC: Well certainly the more we learn about this
pipeline project the less Americans like it and the more reason there is to
reject it. You know, you mentioned the bad welds in the first TransCanada
pipeline, this is a pipeline that -- company that was under great scrutiny
and yet in some portions over or close two or three quarters of the weld
were badly done. We`ve learned that tar sands fills are particularly
damaging when they have in particularly to water resources and of course
the Keystone XL pipeline would go through some of the most sensitive water
resources in the United States to Nebraska, which we`re all aware of.
SCHULTZ: But then the bottom line here is -- gentleman, they`re running
out of arguments here. And now they`ve come up with Iraq, the turmoil
according to Mr. Barrasso, the turmoil in Iraq means that we need to relay
on our own fossil fuels. Why are they pushing this bogus argument? Pap,
they running out of material, we all know that this is going to get thrown
on the world market.
PAPANTONIO: Ed, timing is everything. The conflict in Iraq is going to
raise the price of fuel, out economy did have a shrinking quarter, last go
around, that`s one of the things to talk about job growth. And this
narrative is easy to play out. This is something they spend hours and
hours and hours discussing in California. They knew the narrative that
they had on climate change was a loser.
So what you do is you take a metaphor, you take something like the XL
pipeline, you build your discussion around that. If this hearing, I mean,
if the vote goes bad.
PAPANTONIO: .for the Koch brothers on this, we`re going to start hearing,
Democrats are anti-jobs, anti-growth and they`re going to go after people
like oddly enough, Mary Landrieu who is pro oil but she`s in an oil state
where she can easily be defeated if this simple argument is put out there
properly, that`s they`re plan.
SCHULTZ: Well I think Mary Landrieu has got an argument right now to tell
her constituents, they don`t have the permits. I don`t know why Democrats
are putting pressure on Harry Reid to bring it to the floor when it legally
can`t be built in the first place. Anthony, what about that?
SWIFT: Well I think that`s a really critical point. Right now we have a
process for evaluating these projects to ensure that they`re not built if
they`re not in the national interest. Keystone XL is currently being
evaluated under that process. It`s important that it be allowed to
continue and it would set an enormously poor President to allow congress to
become a permitting body for pet projects like Keystone XL.
SCHULTS: So Pap, what is the president doing here, he`s just taking his
time in a little but legal beagles work things out and then make a
decision. Tonight I believe he speaks at the league of conservation
voter`s banquet, this would be a good night for him to say he`s not going
to go along with it. But I assume he`s waiting for all the league out of
this to play out.
PAPANTONIO: You have said it before, this is going to be a major issue
going to the election, it`s something he has to address. Hillary Clinton
has to address him. He has to -- and the American public has to
understand, this is a $100 billion payday for the Koch brothers.
PAPANTONIO: .the very people who have their boys like Senator John
Barrasso out there try to peach this that this is great for America. It`s
a big lie, Americans once they heard enough understand the lie. And I
think -- this is a very capable President when he has facts like this to
get them out there, get the facts out in the way that the American public
can respond to.
SCHULTZ: Well I have to say that I was disappointed in Hillary Clinton`s
answer when she was asked about it last week in Toronto. I mean I was very
generic, she was talking about, "Well we got to have a broader discussion
with Canada." No, he don`t. You`re either for the pipeline or you`re
against it. You either want to bring this dirty oil to market or you
don`t. And you either buy into this argument of jobs or you don`t. I mean
it was a little -- well it was way too wishy washy for me.
And I think if that`s going to be her stands in 2016.
PAPANTONIO: And it`s a problem.
SCHULTZ: .it`s going to be -- that ain`t going to impress anybody on the
left, I can tell you that.
Anthony Swift, Mike Papantonio, great to have both of you with us tonight.
There can be no gray area on this. The science is there.
Coming up next, Senator John -- no, this is Congressman John Huppenthal`s
appetite for discrimination. Lands him in Pretenders tonight, stay with
SCHULTZ: And in Pretenders tonight, internet troll John Huppenthal. The
Arizona superintendent of public schools, think about that. The Arizona
superintendent of public schools believes in free speech but only if that
speech is in English. On a public stage, he talks about equality.
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JOHN HUPPENTHAL: We live in this beautiful country, those novel words, we
hold these truths to be self-evident that all man are created equal, that
we are all created equal isn`t necessarily a statement of fact, it`s a
mission in life.
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SCHULTZ: Well is a different story in the shadows of internet posting
boards. The former State Senator has now admitted to making anonymous
racist rants (ph) using the handle, Falcon 9. In one post, the educator
writes, "Mexican-American studies, classes use the exact same technique
that Hitler used in his rise to power. Take a historical example of
injustice, cast in racial terms and fan the flames of resentment."
He`s appetite for cultural insensitivity doesn`t end there. Huppenthal
wrote, "Mexican food is OK as long as the menus are mostly in English." He
also called to the shutdown of Spanish language media and suggested that
Americans just quit speaking Spanish. He`s foul remarks and that`s what
they are foul remarks or an insult to the nearly 2 million Latino Americans
leaving in Arizona and to the core principals of this country. If John
Huppenthal beliefs the first amendment has a language barrier, he can keep
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s next Mr. Vice President? You`re leaving
government for what? About the (inaudible) ...
DICK CHENEY: Something like that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: .the last 40 years while you were -- what now?
CHENEY: Well, I don`t know yet. I`m looking forward to spend a time with
the family obviously. We`ve got six grandchildren now and I always enjoy
that. We`ll split our time between Washington and Wyoming. Maybe I`ll
write a book. I haven`t made any final from commitments yet.
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SCHULTZ: Well, welcome back to the ED Show. Looks like Former. Vice
President Dick Cheney -- well some people thought he was president -- is
out of temporary retirement and doing his best to stir up the Neocon
Revival. The self opponent export on U.S. forum policy has been making the
round to criticize President Obama`s response to the unfolding situation in
Iraq. This ain`t about getting out, this is about getting in. His
opposition is conveniently accompanied by a fund raising in pitch for
Alliance for stronger America.
A group Cheney founded with his daughter Liz. The group raises money from
anonymous donors and directs the funds to Advocate for Cheney`s hawkish
policies. Yes, Dick Cheney is using an international crisis for a self-
serving publicity campaign. Cheney is desperate to continue to have
influence of the Republican Party`s foreign policy debate. So Cheney
joined The Hague, low rated radio show and did what he does best. Some old
fashion fear mongering.
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HEWITT: Do you think we get through this decade without a massive attack
on the homeland?
DICK CHENEY: I doubt it. I doubt it. I think there will be another
attack. And next time I think it`s likely to be far deadlier than the last
one. You can just imagine what would happen.
CHENEY: .if somebody could smuggle a nuclear device, put it in a shipping
container and drive it down the Beltway outside of Washington D.C.
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SCHULTZ: I mean, when does that show go? In 24? I mean is he trying to
star in that or what? I mean, so we got hit on his watch and the best way
to turn that all around is to make every thing we`re going to get hit on
somebody else`s. I guess Cheney is taking the approach that if you can`t
beat them just scare the living hell out of them.
Joining me tonight, Congresswoman Barbara Lee of California. In 2001, this
congressional member Barber Lee, she was the only one of congress to vote
no on the authorization of the use of military force against terrorist
because congresswoman, you said that the facts weren`t clear yet. You were
right. So how do you feel about Dick Cheney out and about, attempting to
sway the American people this time around?
BARBARA LEE, CALIFORNIA CONGRESSWOMAN: Ed, first of all, if we don`t
remember history, history will repeat itself. If you will remember, this
was after now in 2002 when the Iraq resolution came to congress. President
Bush, Vice President Cheney, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and
General Colin Powel all mislead the public and said that there were weapons
of mass destruction in Iraq. That is what they said. That is a fact.
There where no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and we know that.
I offered an amendment to the authorization to use force then that said Ed,
just let the -- and United Nations continue with the inspections process to
make a determination after whether or not there were weapons of mass
destruction in Iraq. Well, my amendment then got 72 votes and that was it.
Now, had that amendment pass? And had the United Nations been allowed to
complete their inspections process? The world would have know that there
were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
Dick Cheney mislead the country, President Bush, all of them mislead the
country. We lost thousands of our brave young men and women almost to
trillion dollars in our national treasure. Enough is enough.
SCHULTZ: Don`t you find in somewhat offensive that he is out saying that
we`re going to get hit on a larger scale?
LEE: You know, Vice President Cheney as you said earlier is about raising
money. I think this is a very incorrect way to raise money. It`s very
wrong, I think to try to scare people, to make people afraid. When in
fact, people needs to understand, first of all, that President Barack Obama
is our Commander in Chief and his duty and responsibility is to keep our
country safe. But secondly, we`re in the midst of really attempting to
help develop and find a political settlement to the sectarian war that is
taking place in Iraq.
President Obama is correct in moving forward in that direction and many of
us have said and I think last week, my amendment to the defense of
appropriation bill show that the majority of us in congress want to make
sure that if any military strikes or any action on the ground, well no
combat troop, for sure as the President said. But any military strike
would warrant a congressional debate and authorization.
SCHULTZ: Is it your opinion that the majority of Americans right now who
are weary of further U.S. involvement that that number will grow or do you
think it will be pretty much a divided country on this all the way through?
LEE: I don`t think the country will be divided. The American people are
war-weary. Every poll that has been taken shows that over 70 percent of
the American people do not want us to engage in a military strike. Do not
want combat operation evolved in Iraq.
LEE: So the American people want partner (ph) and tax dollars invested
here at home and of course our national security is priority. And the
commander in chief is making sure that he is very careful in ensuring that.
SCHULTZ: Congresswoman Barbara Lee, good to have you with us tonight.
Thanks so much. I appreciate your time.
LEE: My pleasure.
SCHULTZ: That`s the ED Show. I`m Ed Schultz. Politics Station with
Reverend Al Sharpton starts right now.
Good evening Rev.
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