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June 27, 2014

Guest: Wizipan Little Elk, Jane Kleeb, Holland Cooke, Brent Coon, Reese
Halter, Lionel

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to the Ed Show
live from Detroit Lakes, Minnesota. I`m ready to go. Let`s get to work.


GARRY DORR, NEZ PERCE TRIBE: Well, we`re going to have a series of
spiritual camps that we will set up along the pipeline

SCHULTZ: Their message is simple; protect our land, our water, and our way
of life.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ll be standing in line.

ABBIE CORNETT, FMR. NEBRASKA STATE SEN.: I never was contacted by any of
the tribal leaders.

our treaties and keep the bad man and the bad evilness of this tar sands
pipeline coming through our land.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That bad oil, we got to find its way to market.

ART TANDERUP, NE LANDOWNER: There are the best used cars sales will you
ever find.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Got access to this gold, this gold underground and
we`re kind of blowing (ph) it.


SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight folks. Thanks for watching.

I have always been a believer in this business. When you`re on a story
there`s always new developments you got to stay on it. If it`s big, if
it`s impactful, this one is.

We have covered Keystone now for several months and this weekend will mark
a small victory for landowners in South Dakota and those who oppose the

On Sunday, the permit needed to build the Keystone XL Pipeline expires.
Who would have thought this is what is was going to come through six years
ago? After June 29th, TransCanada will need to reapply for a new permit in
the state of South Dakota. A reapplication process obviously is going to
be opening the door for more public comments and a hearing.

The pipeline`s review is now in its 60 year. Proponents say this is
outrageous that it`s taken this long. Those who are opposed to it say, "It
should never be built." So time is on their side. The oil which will be
extracted from Canada and travel through the proposed pipeline is tar sands
oil. Well documented. Environmental groups say that the tar sands is the
most dangerous to ship through pipelines because of its corrosive
properties. It is dangerous. It`s even a heck of a lot more difficult to
clean up if it spilled than regular crude oil.

Well, despite the proof of tar sand`s negative impacts, there are still
people in the Congress and especially in the Senate who don`t feel the same
way as those who are opposing it and they are still pushing for the


SEN. MARY LANDREIU, (D) LOUISIANA: A critical, in my view, piece of
infrastructure that will transport safely the cleanest barrel of oil
produced in North America contrary to popular belief.


SCHULTZ: I got to tell you, that sound bite right there is one for the
archives. Nothing could be further from the truth, but it`s in the record
at a committee hearing. So we play it. We`re not picking on Senator
Landreiu. It is not the cleanest oil. Simply is not.

One of the biggest environmental concerns about the proposed route is that
it`s going to cross over the Ogallala aquifer which is one-third of the
water supply to the middle of the country when it comes to agriculture. So
obviously grassroots groups have taken hold, they have grown, and in
numbers and in support. We have seen public protest. We have seen legal
battles. We have seen delays that have plagued this project.

Native American tribes in South Dakota have also taken a very strong
position against the pipeline. Tribal leaders are now vocal. They claim
that they have not been consulted on the construction of the pipeline that
goes over their land. TransCanada in their opinion has infringed on their
tribal land and water rights and didn`t properly survey the route to
protect cultural resources which of course has Native Americans very upset.

Native Americans from the Rosebud Sioux Tribe set up a prayer camp near the
town of Mission, South Dakota. Many native tribes from all over the United
States have joined together with a group called the Cowboy and Indian
Alliance. The group brought its peaceful statement and protest against
TransCanada and tar sands to Washington D.C. We were there. The Ed Show
visited the natives in both locations.


ALDO SEOANE, ROSEBUD SIOUX TRIBE: This encampment, it means that we`re
here. It means the Lakota people are here. And it means that no matter
what anyone thinks or perceives about, you know, what we`re doing here or
the Lakota people but we`ve never left. I think that`s the biggest thing
that -- what this means. This encampment means that we`ve never left.

President Obama to honor our 1868 Fort Laramie treaty. There`s article in
there, it`s the very first article, article one, called the "Bad Man
Cause." Any bad man entering our territories that is bringing harm to us,
we are able to turn him over to the Indian Commissioner here and tell we
don`t want them here. So, they need to honor our treaties and keep the bad
man and the bad evilness of this tar sands pipeline coming through our

CASEY CAMP, PONCA TRIBE: We`re suffering from environmental genocide from
this destructive industry. We have no choice, we are dying.

CYRIL SCOTT, PRES. ROSEBUD SIOUX TRIBE: We are willing to die on behalf of
our journey. Our way of life (inaudible) and the water.

BRYAN BREWER, PRES. OGALALA SIOUX TRIBE: Our people are still passionate.
Our people are ready to die. Our people had come up, so we want to be in
the front line. We are willing to give our life to stop this. Because
they don`t know what`s going to do the people.

SCHULTZ: Is it that dangerous talk?

BREWER: It is. It is dangerous talk.

SCHULTZ: I mean, you just said that your people are willing to die for

BREWER: Yes they are willing to die and that`s the sad part. I would love
if this would broadcast it and they`ll stop it, but it`s not, our people
are willing to die to make sure this doesn`t happen. And that`s scary,
that is scary.

SCHULTZ: I just want to be very clear. I`m not prodding you to say this.

BREWER: No, no, I am saying this. And this is .

SCHULTZ: I mean, this is from your heart of where your people are.

BREWER: This is where our people are right now and they`re going to stop
it. And that is with their blood and that just sad because I don`t want to
see any of our people hurt. I don`t want to see any of our people die.
But the people realize what is this going to do, the impact would keep
talking about the problems, we were not talking about the impact. The
impact is our people are going to die because of this. And we have people
right now that are willing to die for that.


SCHULTZ: As the fight continues, land owners, Native Americans, and
activists are keeping a close watch on every step of the legal process.

Property owners in Nebraska are waiting for a ruling from the state Supreme
Court. Over the past few months, the Ed Show has been speaking with
members of Bold Nebraska, a group dedicated to stopping the construction of
the Keystone XL Pipeline.


TANDERUP: They are the best used car salesman you`ll ever find but they
only have to sell you one car. And then when that car is sold, they`re
going to be out of the country, you know. And there`s no .

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They`re already out at the center.

TANDERUP: . then there`s no warranty on this used car that they`re going
to sell us.

RANDY THOMPSON, NE LANDOWNER: They had the power to come and condemn any
of our properties that were on the pipeline route. Even though they don`t
have a permit to be in the United States, I mean to me that is totally
outrageous. And the sad part is if you follow the pipeline route then
South Dakota has the same thing, Montana is very lax, they change their
imminent domain loss in favor of pipelines and that type of thing.

And so they have greased all of the wheels. All up and down the line, you
know. They have undue influence in so many legislatures and, you know,
we`re seeing the power of money in America.

JANE KLEEB, EXEC. DIR. BOLD NEBRASKA: If the public service commission
changes the route which I think they possibly could do to really go around
the Sand Hills and the aquifer and then you`re talking about the state
department has to deal with supplemental review which then that has to have
public comment. So you can see how the dominoes are falling here.

SCHULTZ: So this activism is having an effect because you`ve already got
it to the State Supreme Court.

KLEEB: That`s right.

SCHULTZ: And it`s just another level that they have to go through, which
is really going to bring the environment to a big issue in 2016.

KLEEB: There`s no question. And the environment and energy has to be an
issue. You know, generations before us thought about healthcare. Energy
and the environment, that`s our issue, that`s our generation`s issue and
we`re going to make a difference on them.


SCHULTZ: There is no question these groups are making a difference.
Although Republicans in Congress are still pushing lies, they want this
project to go through. Conservatives are pushing the false information and
that`s exactly what it is, false information about job creation and energy


SEN. JOHN HOEVEN, (D) NORTH DAKOTA: Environmental impact statement after
environmental impact statement has come back and said, "We`ll create -- no
significant environmental impact will create 42,000 jobs." The president
says, "Well, we`re in year six but I`m going to postpone this decision

SEN. JOHN BARRASSO, (R) WYMONG: I mean, it`s outrageous the way small
groups of Democrats refusing to even consider having a debate on this vital
measure, energy security for our country, energy at home. America needs
the jobs. We need the energy.


SCHULTZ: The reality is that tar sands are among the highest risk and
highest carbon emitting oil in the world. The Keystone XL Pipeline won`t
help the United States move towards energy independence. Only 35 permanent
jobs are going to be created. It`s a hazard to the environment and the
future of farming. It`s too much of a risk. To this day, I don`t know how
in the world I was ever in support of this.

Months ago, I changed after I reviewed all the facts, all the environmental
impact statements, all the risk, and what about the landowners? Imminent
domain is a big issue in this country. When you own something, you should
have a say. Cultural rights are also very important. And if there are
treaties, which I have not seen, but I am told that the United States is on
thin ice when it comes to treaties with Native Americans and that they are
not operating properly in going through the proper procedure.

So, there`s a whole lot of facets to this story. It`s easy to see why it
is taken six years but it is unfortunate that you actually have a United
State senator stand up on the Senate floor and talk about 42,000 jobs, it`s
a joke. I can`t believe that Hoeven was saying that. He comes from a
state in North Dakota that has plenty of oil. This country has plenty of
oil. We have no shortage whatsoever. We do not have to take this risk.
Canada can move it to the west coast, through their lands. But wait a
minute, a lot of their folks don`t want that either.

This is a big day because the permitting process starts all over for South
Dakota. The question is how hard is it going to be?

Get your cellphones out. I want to know what you think. Tonight`s
question, "Can grassroots organizations stop big oil companies?" Text A
for yes, text B for no to 67622, you can always go to our blog We`ll bring you the results later on in the show.

Joining me tonight from South Dakota Jane Kleeb, Executive Director of Bold
Nebraska, also with us tonight is Wizipan Little Elk of the Rosebud Tribal

Now, we should point out that they are having a celebration there tonight
on the Rosebud reservation because this is a big deal that this permit has
run out.

Jane, you first, how hard is it going to be for TransCanada to get
repermitted? How many hurdles are there now in South Dakota because of the

KLEEB: It`s going to be incredibly hard. Not only our landowners much
educated about the risks that tar sands brings to them. Tribes know that
this is violating their treaty rights before tribes were not organized and
landowners were not organized in the way that they are now.

And so there`s 50 conditions that TransCanada was supposed to adhere for
and the whole purpose of their permit in South Dakota was because they said
American oil production was going down and our demand was going up. Four
years later, that has actually reversed. And so their project is literally
falling apart around them.

SCHULTZ: So what`s the difference this time around? Are we talking about
hearings, are we talking about a long drawn out process, or will there be
political powers that are going to rubberstamp this and get it through?
For instance, Senator Thune in South Dakota is very much in favor of the
pipeline. What about that?

KLEEB: Yeah, I mean there will be public hearings. So the chair of the
Public Utilities Commission in South Dakota is the only one that`s left
from the last time process and he is very open to landowners and tribes
coming in. He wants to hear from them. And he`s made it very clear that
TransCanada`s permit indeed does expire since TransCanada was trying to
tell the press in public that it wasn`t going to.

And so I think you`re going to see a lot of grassroots support and
landowners coming to the table. I`m not quite sure, Ed, that there`s going
to be a lot of politicians standing there with them unfortunately. And so
that is going to be a hurdle that we honestly don`t care about. We`re
going to make sure our voices and make sure that route goes around the Sand
Hills and the water or that their permit doesn`t get recertified at all
which is an option.

SCHULTZ: Wizipan, if you could describe the momentum amongst the folks in
South Dakota who are against this that have been mobilized. What`s
different this time around?

picking up and it`s continuing to grow and expand, you know. It wasn`t
about a couple of months ago that we first set this camp up and we`ve had
people here 24/7 for the last several months. We`re prepared to keep going
if need be. We`re looking at a huge victory with the permit expiring.
This is a win. It`s a victory but the war is not over. Just like the U.S.
soccer team their advancing to the next round but we haven`t won it all

SCHULTZ: What about the tribal treaties with the United States, are they
relevant to this day? Would the United States be violating tribal treaties
from decades ago if this pipeline were to go as scheduled where it is?

LITTLE ELK: Yes. The United States has been in violation of the 1851 and
1868 Treaties. They are continuing to be in violation and the pipeline
route and the process as it`s been pursued thus far has been a gross
violation of our treaties, of our land, of our right to clean water, of our
right to an economic future.

It wasn`t but several weeks ago that President Obama was on the Standing
Rock Indian reservation which straddles both North and South Dakota. The
Standing Rock Sioux Tribe has been very vocal about their opposition to
this. They`ve sent a letter to President Obama stating that if the
pipeline were to be implemented and routed as is that they would take the
United States to court over treaty violations. So it absolutely would
impact our treaties and our children`s future.

SCHULTZ: Jane, what`s the political landscape look like in South Dakota?
Rick Wieland is the Democratic candidate and Former Governor Rounds is the
Republican candidate going for that Senate seat. How big a issue was this
going to be? What`s your sense of this?

KLEEB: You know, I don`t think that it is going to be a political issue,
Ed, to be quite honest. It hasn`t risen to that level in South Dakota
because politicians are continuing to go on a talking point that this is
somehow going to help America become energy independent and solve a job
crisis when we know that this is not American oil, it`s foreign tar sands
going to the export market and it really threatens not only property rights
but our water and tribal rights.

And so, that is a responsibility that Wizipan and I have to do. We need to
register more voters and put the pressure on politically so this does
become an issue. I`m not sure that`s going to happen in this election
cycle but I will bet you, mark my word, it will certainly happen in 2016.
You will not have a Democratic presidential candidate who supports the
Keystone XL Pipeline or who supports the expansion of tar sands period.

SCHULTZ: Wizipan, since the state department`s final environmental impact
study, there have been some developments. It was released in January of
2014. Two major tar sands mines have been canceled due to deteriorating
market conditions. What do you make on that?

LITTLE ELK: Well, you know, it underscores the lie that TransCanada and
the proponents of TransCanada had been pushing over the last, you know,
several years. You know, the market has changed. This is foreign oil
that`s going to be pumped across American lands, refined in the Gulf Coast
and shipped overseas. It`s going to lessen America`s position and standing
in the world economically and it`s going to post a huge environmental risk

And overall, it`s not good for our economy. It`s not good for our people.
If TransCanada wants to, you know, ship its oil overseas then it needs to
find a different route perhaps going through Canada .


LITTLE ELK: . but as you stated in your opening piece, the people of
Canada don`t want that either.

KLEEB: And it also shows, Ed .

SCHULTZ: Jane Kleeb .

KLEEB: . that the state department`s report is wrong. You know, the state
department said that it`s inevitable that tar sands is going to be mined
and exported. And because two mines have already been shut down and we
know that the other pipeline -- it just -- it shows that the state
department is wrong.

SCHULTZ: OK. Finally, it`s come to light within the last few weeks that
Keystone won, a pipeline that already exist, needs repair over a 98-mile
stretch of pipe because of inadequate construction and failure. Jane, your
response to that.

KLEEB: It`s terrifying. So landowners who have this pipeline on their
ground, they do not sleep at night because they are not sure that any
moment is a maximum capacity pipeline going to burst onto their land and
destroy their family`s water supply. It is unacceptable that we have that
risky of a pipeline going through families with that high of a failure rate
of the wells (ph).

SCHULTZ: Jane Kleeb, Wizipan Little Elk, great to have you with us
tonight. Keep up the fight. And this is a big victory that this permit
has expired and the process starts all over for South Dakota. It doesn`t
look like that pipeline is going to get built anytime soon.

Still ahead, the effects of the DP, Deep Water, Horizon oil spill being
felt in the Gulf. Rapid Response Panel weighs in on that.

Plus, there`s more spills across the country.

And right-wing talkers have Conservatives all shake it up. Holland Cooke
weighs in on the radio noise behind Boehner`s threat to sue the president.

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SCHULTZ: Joining us tonight, Talk Radio Consultant and Media Consultant
extraordinaire, my friend Holland Cooke. Holland, good to have you with us


SCHULTZ: I`ll tell you what. I just think there`s just a whole bunch of
coaching going on on about 400 radio stations across America telling
Boehner what to do. I mean, it`s like they`re reading right from the
script. What are you hearing, and what`s out there, and what`s pushing

COOKE: Well, sound bite of the day here in Boston on Talk Radio. First
thing, this morning, on WRKO, the big talk station, Jeff Kuhner the number
one morning show staunched conservatives says, "I, no longer trust Fox

And what`s going on on the air is really a microcosm of this civil war
that`s going on with the GOP between the guys who say, "I`m a
conservative." and the guys who say, "Oh no, you`re not." the Tea party
versus the Rockefeller Republicans.

Two observations about Bill O`reilly.

Number one, I believe he now has more influence than Rush Limbaugh over
what all the other radio talkers say. And number two, he`s got kind of a
love/hate relationship with Talk Radio. As you know, he tried it. He
tried competing with Rush Limbaugh, bombed out after a couple a years. But
those two are still sniping at each other.

Just a week or two ago, Bill O`reilly says, unlike Limbaugh, "I`m a fat-
based guy." and Rush keeps calling Bill O`reilly Ted Baxter. So there`s a
lot of noise going on on Talk Radio and blah, blah, blah, you know what I

SCHULTZ: So is Boehner taking this lead from right-wing talkers to do the
satisfaction dance? Here he is, here`s the president talking about Boehner
and the lawsuit that might be coming


actions and then now, Republicans are mad at me for taking these actions.
They`re not doing anything and then they`re mad that I`m doing something.
I`m not sure which of the things I`ve done they find most offensive. But
they`ve decided they`re going to sue me for doing my job.


SCHULTZ: This is an attempt for Republicans to shift the focus off of
their obstruction and say face question mark. What about that?

COOKE: Well, this is the latest phony-baloney flavor of the month, echo
chamber sideshow. I hear nobody in the real world talking about this law
suit. You know what people are talking about? World Cup soccer. The bars
and the restaurants are full. They`re talking about at it at Starbucks.

This whole thing is an echo chamber. And I think radio is following
Boehner talking about this on Talk Radio but I think Boehner is talking to
restive Republicans in Congress and I will bet you a fix steak in a stiff
drink that this lawsuit never gets filed. It`s just him trying to calm
down the tribe.

SCHULTZ: Well, is Boehner afraid of getting challenge from the right like
Eric Cantor? I mean is he thinking that maybe I got to push a little bit
harder against this president?

COOKE: Well, he ought to be. This Eric Cantor thing was tectonic in
Washington. How do you like to be Mitch McConnell right now? Boehner`s
seat maybe safe but this is not a good time to be an incumbent of frankly
of either strike.

SCHULTZ: So, do you think the Republican Party is guided by these hard
right conservative voices out of fear that they don`t want an army working
against them. They want to keep their job. It`s almost as if a lot of
these Republicans are trying to keep their head under the radar. They
don`t want to be on the target of these right-wing talkers.

COOKE: Yeah. And when the Congressional offices are flooded with e-mails
and phone calls they hear that and talk radio and cable is good at
mobilizing that regardless of what does or doesn`t come of it. But I think
this lawsuit thing is phony-baloney, it`ll probably never happen but that`s
what they`re talking about this week.

SCHULTZ: OK. Holland Cooke, Talk Radio Consultant and media consultant.
Great to have you with us tonight .

COOKE: Have a good weekend.

SCHULTZ: . on the ED Show. You too, my friend.

Coming up, the never-ending drive for oil in the United States is having
disastrous effects on the environment. The Rapid Response Panel weighs in.

Plus, the World Cup of conspiracy theories lands Keith Ablow in Pretenders

But next, I`m taking your questions, Ask Ed Live, coming up here on the Ed
Show on MSNBC. We are right back.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. We love hearing from all of you
viewers on questions. Short on time tonight, only time for one. Ask Ed
Live, our first questions from Aria. She wants to know, "Why have
Americans lost trust in Mainstream Media?"

Well I think the Iraq war probably had something to do with that, the run
away barons on Wall Street probably had something to do with that. I think
the Mainstream Media, this is just my opinion, spends too much time
covering themselves instead of covering what people really care about.
That`s just how I see it, I could be wrong.

I think if you cover things that are important instead of things that are
"trendy" you might over the long-hole gain a little bit more trust from
people, that`s my take on it.

Stick around Rapid Response Panel is next.

BERTHA COOMBS, CNBC CORRESPONDENT: I`m Bertha Coombs with your CNBC market
wrap. The Dow finishes up about 5 points after initially falling about
seven days during the day. The S&P up 3 and the NASDAQ added 18.

Consumers are more optimistic about the economy according to the University
of Michigan`s final June read on Cinemac (ph).

And GM shares under pressure again after they have announcing a recall of
nearly 30,000 Chevy Cruze sedans. And late this afternoon they announced
additional recalls totaling some 400,000 cars.

DuPont meantime also losing ground after slash its profit outlook for the
second quarter and full year.

That`s it from CNBC. We`re first in business, worldwide.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Greedy and careless oil companies
are trashing our nation`s environment. Look at the facts. VP has been
running ads, saying that the Gulf is open for business. After the 2010
deep water horizon disaster, these ads are misleading at best.

VP officially ended clean up operations from the spill in June of 2013 but
residents of the Gulf coast know there is more work to be done, a lot more.
This week a 1,200 pound tar mat was discovered floating near Pensacola,
Florida. This is the third massive tar mat discovered in the past year.
The oil is still everywhere.

How about this, 4.6 million pounds of oil material were collected in the
year 2013 alone. Last month I spoke with the largest shrimp buyer in
Louisiana, he told me the Gulf is still a mess.


saying everything is open and everything is good, that`s not true, you
know. We still got three areas that remain close from the spill. So some
people in the west of it was still doing good but it`s getting less and

If you look at what happen in Alaska, five years after the spill, when you
had a complete collapse in the industry, you know. I got a bad feeling
while we`re looking at the same thing. There`s a lot of people suffering
down there. Everyday we got to see it, I mean VP ought to be ashamed of
themselves and the government ought to be ashamed of themselves allowing it
to happen.


SCHULTZ: To make things worst, VP is appealing settlements of people
affected by the spill. The Supreme Court rules last week, VP must continue
to make payments while appeals are ongoing.

Well on Monday it was reported VP stop payments to claimants who opted out
of larger settlement cases. VP cause this mess in the Gulf, now they are
running away before the job is done.

Meanwhile, there are new oil disasters everyday. An oil tank damaged by
flooding in Colorado leaks 7,500 gallons of crude into the Poudre River.

In North Dakota, over 300 oil spills have gone unreported since January of
2012. North Dakota is now planning to double its pipeline capacity in the
next two years. They will jump from over 700,000 barrels a day to 1.4
million barrels a day. There`s no doubt, oil companies are polluting the

When something happens, they don`t report it or whistle their way out of
the clean up. But of those folks -- what about those folks who have been
affected down in the Gulf? Are they ever going to be made whole?

Joining me tonight on our Rapid Response panel, attorney Brent Coon and
conservation biologist, Dr. Reese Halter. Great to have both of you with
us tonight. We spent time with both of you back during the oil spills
several years ago. Mr. Coon, let me ask you first. Will the people of the
Gulf ever be made whole by VP?

BRENT COON, BRENTCOON & ASSOCIATES: Hell no Ed. You know the sad thing is
that four years into this litigation, 75 percent of the claimants have made
claims have been stonewalled denied. In fact today, VP filed a motion with
the court where all of these cases are proceeding, requesting the right to
go back and make a claim to get their money back from the people that
they`ve made payments too in the past.

SCHULTZ: So where does this go? I mean they have enough money, I mean
they`re just simply going to wear people down as I see it at this point and
whistle at of pay (ph) and then they can restitution on people that have
had their livelihoods disrupted.

COON: Well they have they have worn down everyone, they`ve worn down the
judiciary, they`ve worn down the legislator branch, they`re winning on
every front because they had the resource and the capital to do so. And
the individual affected victims have very little in ways in combating.

SCHULTZ: Dr. Halter, VP has stop the clean up, how much oil do you think
is left and what does that tell you from your expertise on this when these
tar bans keep showing up in massive amounts?

Let`s look at what are the facts here. The toothed whales including the
dolphins and the blue finned tunas are referred to by my colleagues in
Australia as the doctors of the sea, because they prevent diseases from
becoming epidemics worldwide. The doctors in the Gulf of Mexico are very

Let me give you three examples, quickly of what`s going on. The largest
toothed whales are the sperm whales, 60 feet long, 65 tons and earth`s
record deep divers at two miles deep. The population of between 1,100 and
1,600 sperm whales are the most polluted whales ever recorded on earth.
The Gulf`s dolphins are all suffering from a number of lung diseases that
are directly related to the VP deep water horizon disaster that pumped the
equivalent of 318 Olympic size swimming pools of crude, petroleum and
another three Olympic size swimming pools of core exit oil dispersant into
the Gulf.

And lastly, the critically endangered eastern Atlantic blue finned tunas,
the three quarter of a ton, sprinters of the seas that can beat a Ferrari
off the line are showing my colleagues signs of life threatening arrhythmia
or heart beat irregularities.

Ed, the population of these beautiful creatures is down 80 percent from


HALTER: .2010 VP deep water disaster.

SCHULTZ: This is -- you`re giving us sound doctor that we don`t hear
anywhere, it`s almost like the country is not event paying attention to
this, the damage has been horrific. You talked to us a few years ago about
the coral reefs and the damage that has been done there. Brent, is the
Supreme Court ruling payments, that they must continue a step in the right
direction or is VP going to be able to nail that too?

COON: Well, you know, they may still succeed yet in the ability to
stonewall those payments. All the Supreme Courts has done today is release
the injunction staying payments but there are still a lot of other -- there
are lot of underlying issues and problems with the trial court in applying
the rulings that have been effectuated today in how to calculate our lost
and pay anyone.

In the meantime, as I said before, VP today as they`re next step to trial
court level, followed motions with the court, not only to continue to stay
on paying anyone but actually they filed a motion requesting the ability to
go back and claim reimbursement of payments that they`ve made to claimants
in the past, it`s (inaudible).

SCHULTZ: And finally Dr. Halter, is this reversible in any way? Can the
earth recover? Can the Gulf recover from what has happened?

HALTER: Sure it can recover Ed, in 100, 150, 250 years. But I want to
remind the audience, three out of every four breaths of air, irrespective
of where you live, on earth come from out oceans and our Gulf and our
oceans are sick, man. And we`ve got to protect our environment or there is
no economy.

SCHULTZ: Amen to that. Brent Coon and Dr. Reese Halter, we`ll you have
you back, we`ll do more on this. I think the environment is a huge issue
with our politicians. The country has await to this in many respects.
Climate change is upon us. It`s a lot different today as far as awareness
that it was five years ago. It will be a big difference in the election
cycle. Great to have both of you with us.

Still ahead, this morning I was approached by a man who said he wants to
see Dick Cheney be the next President. Lionel joins me to discuss what
would the world be like with that.



BARRACK OBAMA: I have to begin by congratulating our U.S. Soccer team,
team U.S.A. for advancing. Next around the World Cup. We -- U.S.A.


SCHULTZ: And in Pretenders tonight, offside, Keith Ablow instead of
cheering on team U.S.A., the Fox News contributor is booing the President.

Keith Ablow says President Obama is purposely infecting us with World Cup


KEITH ABLOW, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: I am suspect because here`s the thing,
why at a time when there is so many national issues that -- an
international issues are such prominent. I`m a little suspicious of
getting other bread in circus routine.

Let`s role out the marijuana, pull back the laws and get people even more
crazy about, yet another entertainment event, made to distract people.
This is like Rome.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (inaudible), right?

ABLOW: This is like Rome. I can see why Obama would love to work.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What are you talking about?

ABLOW: I think it`s interesting that at a time when there so much to pay
attention to have such great import, people are playing games.


SCHULTZ: Ablow doesn`t take pause from his rumbling conspiracy theory to
address any other facts. Dude, the soccer tournament is playing years in

No one is fall on the strings on this. If Keith Ablow thinks he can kick
America`s enthusiasm from Team U.S.A., he can keep in pretending.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. This is the story for the folks who
take a shower after work. Former Vice President Dick Cheney continues to
use the unfolding international crisis in Iraq for personal gain.

The self-opponent expert on U.S. Foreign Policy spoke last night in
Billings, Montana where he finally remembered the days when America was
fighting two wars instead of just one.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When I was secretary we had basically a two war
strategy. We had to maintain sufficient forces to be able to fight two
wars at once. He switched that. Now we are going to have a one war
strategy and that`s all being done as a rationale to justify further deep
cuts in the defense budget so he can allocate that money to food stamps or
whatever else he wants to spend it on.


SCHULTZ: Warfare over welfare. Comments like that, well make me feel
pretty good about the fact that Dick Cheney no longer is running anything
in Washington D.C. But apparently, some people winning back in Beltway.
No kidding. I`m in the Minneapolis airport today, a gentleman comes up to
me and he says, "Ed, I want to show and, you know, I think Dick Cheney`s
run for President."

I didn`t have a heart attack but I though one of us needed counseling at
that time but I wasn`t sure if that was me.

Some folks -- and I tweeted this out. Some folks from team ED responded on
Twitter. "What do you mean? He was already president for two terms?"
Gary said, "I would love for Cheney to run for President, Dems in a
landslide and humiliation to Cheney."

Christian (ph) tweeted, "If I could pick an opponent from the GOP bench,
I`d pick Cheney without hesitation." We need analysis in this quickly.

Joining me tonight, New York Television, Legal Commentator and News
Decoder, Lionel. Lionel, good to have you with us tonight. I tell you,
first of all, I`ll clarify, are you for a one war or two wars? I wasn`t

LIONEL, LIONELMEDIA: And I`m for freedom. Democracy is not easy and it`s
messy and a long hard slug because, remember they hate our freedom and if
we don`t fight them there, we`ll fight them here. And it about covers it,
right? But also with (inaudible) is what he did was and you show
eloquently and so perfectly said that in fact was the President.

He and his man David Addington contrive this -- knocked this doctrine
called the Unitary Executive. Remember that Ed? Do you know what that

SCHULTZ: Oh yeah.

LIONEL: No one knows what that mean. It`s like Farfegnugen. What is that
mean? He basically said we`re in-charge. This is a man who shot his best
friend in the face with a shotgun and the friend who was shot apologized.

Ed, we live in the world right now where people get into a finder binder
and basically go out for each other suing for millions of dollars. This
guy shot a man in the face and forced him to apologize.

This man had (inaudible) removed from Google. He had a walk in safe. He
had specially contrived Harry Potter`s stamps to decode that which was
sequent. This is a man that knows no equal and I know what you`re thinking

You would say, "Wow, the democrats had LBJ, LBJ, LBJ. And by the way, he`s
a hunter. You`re fisherman. You go after mindless carp, he goes after his
best friends and innocent animals.

This is a guy -- think about this, this is a man who basically redefine us.
Now, dream team Ed, dream team. Think, think big.

SCHULTZ: Dream team.

LIONEL: Dick Cheney?

SCHULTZ: Dream team.

LIONEL: Michele Bachmann. Ed, I know what you`re thinking.

SCHULTZ: Absolutely.

LIONEL: Wait, wait, hang on. We`ll (inaudible), hang on. Don`t let this
success (ph) for you , I know what I`m talking about.

SCHULTZ: I think that would be cable goal. There is no question about

LIONEL: But don`t you understand.

SCHULTZ: Who would Dick Cheney`s base be if he were to run?

LIONEL: Base? Are you kidding? Who wouldn`t be hi base? But I want to
go back to this Michele Bachman and let me tell you why. If she and Marcos
could retool that thing of -- that counseling service, which they said was
not gay convergent, that`s fine.

But don`t forget ED, the last time I was on with you we`d talk about Friday
Switcheroo. Because after all the GOP in Texas as you said believes that
you can change sexuality like you do parties, like.


LIONEL: .you do affiliations. I used to be Swedish.


LIONEL: It works. And I think we can do that like (inaudible) side
parking. If we could take that, the best of the GOP and Rick Perry merge
with Marcus Bachmann and Michele and Dick Cheney, we could have a Lionels
Friday Switcheroo converging, conflating that which is the unitary
executive and Dick Cheney and it would be -- Ed, it would be both.

SCHULTZ: Alright. Media analysis, we can`t get anywhere else. Lionel,.

LIONEL: And for good reason.

SCHULTZ: .thank you for your time tonight on the Ed Show. I appreciate it
so much.

That`s the Ed Show, I`m Ed Schultz. Politics Nation with Reverend Al
Sharpton starts right now.


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