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July 7, 2014

Guest: David Diaz; Early Ofari Hutchinson; Bernie Sanders, Emanuel
Cleaver, Joan Walsh, Ken Padowitz, Faith Jenkins

REVEREND AL SHARPTON, MSNBC ANCHOR: Good evening, Ari. And thanks to you
for tuning in.

Tonight`s lead caught on camera. The disturb thing video of a California
highway patrolman repeatedly hitting a woman in the head during an arrest.

Last Tuesday evening the patrolman confronted a woman named Marlene Pennick
who officers said had been walking into traffic on a Los Angeles freeway.
Witnesses say there was a struggle before the officer pulled her to the
ground and punched her over and over again. A driver passing by took a
cell phone video of the incident.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (bleep). Oh, (bleep) he`s beating her up.



SHARPTON: I mean, shocking. After that, a plain clothes officer arrived
at the scene and also held Ms. Pennick down. The California highway patrol
said Ms Pennick put herself and others in danger. They haven`t identified
the officer in the video. But say he`s on paid leave while they conduct a
full investigation.


at every possibility, every fact, every circumstance that`s contributed to
this situation. The report indicated that the individual was not injured
and the officer didn`t notice injuries ton individual are.


SHARPTON: After she was arrested Ms. Pennick was held on a 72-hour mental
evaluation. And while authorities say she wasn`t injured, her family is
telling a different story. They say Ms. Pennick was seriously hurt by the
officer and plan to file a lawsuit. Here was her daughter this weekend.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Today was the first day that I was finally able to
see her and talk to her. And I just thank God she`s alive. He hit her
over and repeatedly and repeatedly over. She wasn`t even putting up a
fight. I want justice for my mom.


SHARPTON: The family wants justice for what they say was a brutal attack.
And local activist say the best way to get justice would be through a
federal investigation.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What we saw with the video was a civil rights abuse. A
civil rights violation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Activists are calling for a federal investigation into
the beating, arguing the CHP cannot police itself.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`ve got to take it out of their hands. And what you
have to do is it has to be in the hands of the justice department.


SHARPTON: But now, no matter who conducts the investigation, we need to
find out why this happened and punish all of those involved.

Joining me now is author and political activist Dr. Earl Ofari Hutchinson.
He is one of the activists calling for a federal investigation. And also
with me is the man who shot that video. He is using the name David Diaz
because of the intense public scrutiny in this case.

Thank you both for being here.



SHARPTON: David, let me start with you. It was your video that brought
this case to light. What made you start recording this?

DAVID DIAZ, EYEWITNESS: Well, anytime you see an officer and you see a
woman on the freeway, and especially in the area where I live, you know
there is something about to happen. So, just in case if nothing happened
then there wouldn`t be a big deal. But you know, I would rather have the
camera rolling and see what happens. And I`m glad I did because you know
what? Something happened that the world need to see.

SHARPTON: You know, David, when I saw the video over the weekend, I
immediately thought about Rodney King. And I was involved in that. What
were you thinking when he started to hit her, when the highway patrolman
started hitting this woman?

DIAZ: It escalated quickly. It went from are -- I think he was going to
grab her and throw her to the ground and handcuff her to -- I don`t think
he really even cared what he did. He just wanted to really unleash these
power punches to her head. It was shocking. It was brutal. It was
completely unnecessary.

SHARPTON: Now from what you saw and what I saw from your film, the woman,
Ms. Pennick is not seeming to pose any threat. She`s not fighting back.
She doesn`t do anything that seems like it necessitated this kind of
reaction. Was it anything you saw that was different are from what we see
in the video?

DIAZ: No. I mean, the only thing that I saw that`s not on the video was
the lady was coming back off the ramp. That`s what I saw her. She was
coming off the ramp, getting back into the streets. The officer then says
something to her to I guess to ignite, to engage her. And she turns around
and then the situation escalated.

The officer and the lady were jostling for position behind the red truck.
Again, this is all that recorded what I saw before I got on. And then when
you guys see -- and then basically 10, 15 seconds later the red truck goes.
And then it`s basically her and the officer. We see what happens after.

SHARPTON: But at any point, did you observe her in any way physically
assault or even gesture to assault this policeman?

DIAZ: Nothing -- when initially it happened, I mean, she put up her hands
in defense to not get beat. But there was no real, real defense on her
part. Just natural reaction of not getting, you know, not getting punched
in the head. You kind of put your hand in front of your head.

SHARPTON: Putting your hand in front of your head.

Dr. Hutchinson, I mean, it would seem to me -- I know you and other
activists are meeting with the highway patrol leadership tomorrow. Is
there any justification in your mind, even if they are saying that she was
wandering into traffic and would endanger people. Does that justify what
we saw on the tape?

Reverend Al, we are dealing with trained professionals. This California
highway patrol or any other law enforcement agency, they go through a
rigorous training program, at least we are led to believe, which means any
time you are dealing with a volatile situation, someone who has drugs,
mental challenges or you think may escalate into a situation, you are the
trained professional. Part of your training is to subdues, and as Mr. Diaz
said, put the handcuffs on, lead them away, not escalate the confrontation,
but defuse the confrontation.

Where the officer stepped over the line between a legal arrest and illegal
apprehension are the blows to the head, the beating, the pummeling. That
is excessive force. That`s why at that point in time, once you cross that
line you`re not law enforcement anymore. You`re a thug. You are brute.
You are brutalizing. You are abusing authority. Nothing justifies what we
saw, Reverend Al.

SHARPTON: Now, Earl, the California highway patrol said it is
investigating. But hasn`t it admitted wrongdoing. Take a listen to the
assistant chief.


O`QUINN: He, again, tried to contact the individual, to stop them from
walking in the traffic lanes or walking on the freeway. And that`s when
the incident occurred. And we will leave no stone unturned in gathering
these facts.


SHARPTON: What`s your reaction to that?

HUTCHINSON: You know, with the problem I have, that`s all well and good.
You know, we certainly appreciate the fact that they are taking this
seriously. And we are meeting with him tomorrow. And that`s all well and

There is a bigger problem, though. And the bigger problem is, anytime, and
we have seen this time and again in the past. You have a police agency
that investigates itself and the allegation and or chores are reality is
excessive force, often times must go by, nothing happen, no action, back
page story, case closed. In other words, a cover-up.

So it`s important to have another pair of eyes -- in this case the justice
department. You know, overseeing exactly what you are doing to make sure
you cross your I`s and essentially dot your T`s and vice versa.

SHARPTON: Now, you called for federal investigation and full disclosure so
has out Los Angeles chapter Mass Action Network where (INAUDIBLE) and
others with you. Why should there be a federal investigation?

HUTCHINSON: Well, two reasons. One, I think you always have to have,
again, an independent set of eyes. We have seen it in the past where you
have had charges, allegations of excessive force by law enforcement under
the color of law. Often times the justice department as a backstop when
they actually look at the cases, it makes sure it is a fair and impartial -
- really fair and impartial investigation with the option, Reverend Al, if
it isn`t, if in fact, something is amiss. If in fact justice isn`t served.
If in fact it`s not impartial then at that point in time, there is the
option, the backstop for another agency to step in. So it`s a back check.

SHARPTON: David Diaz, let me ask you this. I heard when we were listening
to the deputy chief, he`s saying that she was going into the traffic. And
did I hear you correctly saying you thought she was coming off the ramp?

DIAZ: At one point when I first saw her she was coming off the ramp.
Something was said from the officer to her that turned her back around to
then reengage each other. Once that happened and the red truck got out of
the way, she didn`t walk to the right side. But she did walk to the left
side of the emergency lane. She wasn`t in between traffic. I don`t know
if he had thrown her to the ground she would have. But regardless, if
you`re trying to save someone, what`s all the ten hits in the head for?
That doesn`t make any sense. You can`t be the savior and the beater at the
same time.

SHARPTON: Well, I`m going to have to leave it there. But 22 years ago, we
saw a beating on video of a man named Rodney King, Rodney King who I spoke
at his funeral. And who did this show before his death, was reminiscent of
a time we thought we had gotten beyond this.

To see an unarmed woman in this position brutally hit over and over again,
it begs for real serious scrutiny and investigation. We cannot have law
enforcement turn into thugs as Earl Ofari Hutchinson said on this show

Early Ofari Hutchinson and David Diaz, thank you for your time tonight.

HUTCHINSON: Thank you.

SHARPTON: We`ll be right back.


SHARPTON: Coming up, this July 4th parade float in Nebraska, shows
President Obama`s library as an outhouse. Why has this ugliness toward
this President become so common on the right.

Plus, Speaker Boehner suing the President. And those cheers are coming
from White House.

Was it an accident or was it murder? Today, new search warrants released
on a father charged with murdering his son. Stay with us.


SHARPTON: It`s time to give America a raise. And so far this year, 13
states have made that happen. At the beginning of 2014, these 13 states
increased their minimum wage. And now, a new report shows that in the
first five months of this year, all but one of those states are
experiencing job growth. So much for the tired old GOP argument that a
minimum wage hike is a job killer.


SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL (R-KY), MINORITY LEADER: The last thing we want to do
is have fewer jobs for younger people.

SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R), FLORIDA: I want people to make as much as they can.
I don`t think a minimum wage law works.

the minimum wage, and history is clear about this, doesn`t actually
accomplish those goals.

REP. JOHN BOEHNER (R-OH), SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: When you raise the price
of employment, guess what happens. You get less of it.


SHARPTON: You get less employment if you raise the minimum wage? The GOP
couldn`t be more wrong about that. And Americans think so, too. They
overwhelmingly support the raising of the minimum wage, 93 percent of
Democrats, 69 percent of independents, and even 52 percent of Republicans.
Why? Because the rich keep getting richer and the rest of the country
keeps getting poorer.

Take a look at the shot showing income since 1979. For the top one
percent, it`s gone up 240 percent. But for the average worker, it`s pretty
much stayed flat. It`s unfair. It`s un-American. And it needs to change.

Joining me now is Vermont senator Bernie Sanders. His state is one of the
ones who has raised the minimum wage every year since 2007.

Thank you for being here tonight, Senator.


SHARPTON: What does this report mean for your state and for Americans who
deserve to earn a fair wage?

SANDERS: Well Al, let me just tell you one thing. My state of Vermont
raised the minimum wage to $8.73 an hour. We are on our way to raise it to
$10.50 in the next four years. And guess what, we have the second lowest
unemployment in the United States of America. So I think this Republican
line is mythology.

SHARPTON: So, wait a minute. Because I think that`s important what you
just said. Your state has an escalating minimum wage going up and up. You
have the second least amount of unemployment, second state in the country?

SANDERS: That`s correct.

SHARPTON: Now, you do know your colleagues in the Senate and Republicans
elsewhere have said raising the minimum wage could kill jobs and that they
are looking out for us. If what you are saying is true, that`s the exact
opposite, Senator.

SANDERS: Absolutely. It`s not true. It certainly not true in Vermont and
not true in other states. And here is the reason why, Al. As your charts
indicated, in recent years, 95 percent of all new income went to the top
one percent, the very wealthiest people in the country. Seventy percent of
the economy is based on consumer spending. What happens when you have tens
of millions of people working at low wage jobs who don`t have any
disposable income to spend? How do we create decent paying jobs? And the
answer is we don`t.

So when you raise the minimum wage, rather than just seeing all new income
go to the top one percent, you are seeing some 28 million Americans get a
pay raise. They have a few extra bucks to spend on goods and services.
And that helps create jobs. That`s exactly what we have to do.

SHARPTON: Now, the report I mentioned also shows the states which raised
the minimum wage fared better than those that didn`t. States with a
minimum wage remained the same. Employment increased by 0.68 percent.
Those that did raise the wage saw employment increase by 0.99 percent.

So not only has raising the minimum wage, not hurt state`s job growth, it
helped in a comparative way to states that didn`t, Senator.

SANDERS: Well, look. The reality is, Al, that most of the new jobs being
created in our economy today are low wage and part-time jobs. And we are
dealing here not only with a moral issue of so few having so much and so
many having so little, we are dealing with the economic issue that what we
need to do now is not only raise the minimum wage to give low income
working people more disposable income, we need as massive jobs program. We
need to rebuild infrastructure. We need to put real dollars in the hands
of working people to improve their standard of living. And when you do
that, they have the money to spend and create additional jobs.

SHARPTON: Let me ask you something. When you say we need to create jobs,
something that maybe you can explain to me.

Recent studies show House Republicans are represent more low wage workers
than Democrats do. One in five years workers earn $11.50 per hour or less,
55 percent of those people live in Republican districts. Why are so many
Republicans opposed to something that would actually help so many of their

SANDERS: Well, a couple of reasons. I think first thought, they assume,
probably correctly, that in many of those states, low income working people
aren`t going vote. The projection is in the next election, 40 percent of
the American people are going to vote. Probably 70 to 80 percent of low
income workers are not going to vote. So you don`t have to pay attention
on those people. They are not going to vote. They are not making huge
campaign contributions. They are not the Koch brothers.

But study after study shows is that Congress listens to the people who make
big campaign donations. Not ordinary people or low income people who are
struggling to survive. That`s the sad reality of politics in America

SHARPTON: Well, that`s why I`m spending the summer doing a freedom summer
2014. We have to get people out to vote.

SANDERS: Absolutely, Al.

SHARPTON: Senator Bernie Sanders, thank you for your time tonight.

SANDERS: Thank you.

SHARPTON: Still ahead, new search warrants in the horrific case of that
baby boy who died in a hot car in Georgia. What are police looking for

Also the offensive parade float comparing the Obama presidential library to
an outhouse. What does it say about the right wing attitudes today?

Plus, you will never guess who the GOP is going to back to the future with
in tonight`s got you.

Stay with us.


SHARPTON: How is the Republican national committee trying to rebrand?
With this? The RNC is now selling these "I miss W" t-shirts online, as in
president George W. Bush. They are selling it for a cool $27. This t-
shirt could be yours for that amount.

I`m a little confused by this. After losing the 2012 election the
Republican party promised to change. They rolled out an autopsy report.
And the result was more George W. Bush? More wars? More tanking the
economy? That`s what the Republicans miss?

"The Washington Post" had some fun with this today coming up with other t-
shirt ideas for the GOP. I miss finding WMDS. I miss hurricane Katrina.
Even I miss Dick Cheney.

But we have our own t-shirt. This one size fits all and it reads "we


SHARPTON: So how was your Fourth of July weekend? This is how they were
celebrating at a parade in Norfolk, Nebraska. A republican city in a
republican county. What you`re seeing there is President Obama with a
zombie-like face, standing next to his future presidential library, made to
resemble an outhouse. It triggered a fight locally.


UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: It is the float pictured over my shoulder that has
caused major controversy in the small Nebraska town.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: The fear for me came seeing that people were laughing
at it and pointing at it. And basically giving the stamp of approval.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Her confused daughter, just nine-years-old. Malika
asked Glory why so many people were cheering.

UNIDENTIFIED GIRL: Why are you clapping? It`s not very nice to do.


SHARPTON: Yep. Some people saw this photo, apparently cheered. But
here`s the thing. It`s not just one parade in Nebraska. The extremist
attack on President Obama had now become mainstream on the right. Remember
those so called creepy Uncle Sam ads? Today the same Koch Brother funded
group that created those ads is back with more distortion and fear


UNIDENTIFIED MAN: It`s the carnival of care. Sign up today.


SHARPTON: The group behind this ad says later this month it will host an
actual carnival on the National Mall, attacking the health law. It`s all
part of the right wing`s effort to tear down President Obama. Today that
effort includes the highest ranking republican in Congress. Speaker John
Boehner says, he`s sticking with his lawsuit against the President, citing
his habit of ignoring the law. It`s the same lawless rhetoric that we have
heard from Tea Party members and leaders for years. But now it`s taken
over the GOP.

Joining me now is Congressman Emanuel Cleaver, democrat from Missouri, and`s Joan Walsh. Thank you both for being here.


REP. EMANUEL CLEAVER (D), MISSOURI: It`s good to be with you, Rev.

SHARPTON: Congressman, we have seen ugly attacks on the President before.
But I just played the reaction of a nine-year-old who saw the parade float
in Nebraska. I mean, what impact do these public displays on our politics
have on our young people. And what impact does it have on our politics and
our young people that are seeing these things?

CLEAVER: Well, one of the things I believe it says is that it`s OK. I
mean, when a nine-year-old girl sees something that so improper, so
demeaning that is being done by adults and people who are in authority, in
a parade, then says it`s OK. And rather than the United States moving away
from the kinds of bitter divisions that we have had. We seem to have
gotten upset because we are moving away from it. And so now it`s like full
speed ahead. Let`s try to see if we can recapture some of the nastiness of
days gone by. This is really, really sad. And every American ought to be
upset about it if they want an America that`s going to use the diversity to
stay the most significant super power in the history of the planet.

SHARPTON: Joan, and you`ve been watching this too. What is your reaction?

WALSH: Oh, the float is a new low. The reaction of that little girl broke
my heart, Reverend Al. But it also reminded me of that radio clown with
the President`s face --


WALSH: I mean, we could do the whole show, we could do the whole week of
shows with this kind of disrespect shown to this president. But you know,
John Boehner is in a category by himself. Because this stunt, this


WALSH: He`s trying to throw red meat to his base but he`s really throwing
them table scraps. And they get it. They are protesting this, they are
saying either impeach him or don`t. But this is impeachment like of
impeachment for cowards.

SHARPTON: Well, let me push you right there because Boehner wrote in an
opinion article that he`s going ahead with this lawsuit.


SHARPTON: He`s cited, quote, "The president`s flippant dismissal of the
constitution," and habit of ignoring the law and he said the president has,
quote, "not faithfully executed the law."

Joan, the speaker, he still didn`t explain. You talk about the lawsuit.
He`s still not explaining specifically what he`s suing him for.

WALSH: No, because he can`t. I mean, my colleague Simon Maloy looked at
the op-ed and looked at earlier Boehner press releases. He repurposed
about 350 words out of 550 words. He said it all before. But he`s not
coming out and saying exactly what things are lawless. And Rev, if they
are lawless, they really should impeach the president. I don`t want to see


WALSH: But if that`s what they believe, they have a remedy. And this is
impeachment for cowards.

SHARPTON: But Congressman, many of your colleagues on the republican side
of the aisle keep throwing around the term lawless, lawless. I mean,
listen to this.


REP. MICHELE BACHMANN (R), MINNESOTA: President Barack Obama`s legacy will
be -- and I predicted this a year ago -- the establishment of lawlessness
in the United States of America.

SEN. TED CRUZ (R), TEXAS: There is the pattern of lawlessness in this
administration. Ignoring law after law after law.

REP. PAUL RYAN (R), WISCONSIN: We have an increasingly lawless presidency.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: The President has lawlessly decided which parts of
ObamaCare to implement and which parts not to implement.


SHARPTON: I mean, have they thrown the term around so Congressman that
it`s lost its meaning? That anything can now can be called lawless? I
mean, it seems to be so overused it has no impact. And that anything the
President does is lawless.

CLEAVER: Yes. The term has become impotent. We used to think of Jesse
James and, you know, Pretty Boy Floyd as lawless. And it`s not a term that
we even heard during the legitimate impeachment of Richard Nixon. And so
they are trying to categorize this president in a way that no other
president has been categorized. They want to extract from him any
semblance of what it means to be the president of the United States.


CLEAVER: They want him to just be there. Now, this lawsuit is a sham.
The two things that are infinite in the universe. And lawsuits are one of
them. But what we need to understand is that the president is welcoming
the lawsuit. It`s going to be one of the things that late night comedians
play with.


CLEAVER: And I don`t think Boehner is going to actually do it.

SHARPTON: Now you know, Joan, I think that the Congressman touched on a
point that really in its caused was troubling to me. It`s not enough to
disagree with the President. It`s not enough to debate or even defeat his
policies. But it`s to really try and act like he`s not the president. Is
to really take away the imprimatur of legitimacy. That is what is really
something that hits me at my core, that is different than they have done
any other president they have disagreed with.

WALSH: It`s true. And it`s because they are playing to the base, they
refuses to accept his legitimacy. And they want that base to turn out in
the midterm elections. And so they play with these terms, it means he`s a
tyrant. Some of us get frankly a little bit concerned when we hear these
words. Because they can lead to violence. If the man is a tyrant, you can
see why some militia people and we have had some dangerous people use guns
on police. Because they are waving the flag of tyranny, that they are
living under tyranny. And this is being abetted by the establishment of
the Republican Party.

SHARPTON: Congressman, we have seen in the past in this quest to get their
base energized, they have over reached and it`s backfired on them. Is it
possible they are over reaching again in this case?

CLEAVER: Oh, absolutely. How about the President goes to bed every night
and says, now let me down to sleep, please lord let John Boehner file his
lawsuit. Because all he`s going to do is energized our base. But ever
more importantly, I think is going to cause rational people, rational
Republicans which is the majority of them to look at this and say, you
know, this is not real -- our party has lost its way. And I think that one
of the things that we ought to do is try to encourage the speaker to go
ahead and do this. It`s I think an act, I historians are going to write
about as the one thing that brought Democrats together in the 2014
elections like nothing else.

SHARPTON: You know, it gives me hope when you say they live and think
rational maybe. But Congressman, let me just say before any of our
conservative bloggers jump on this, with you and I both being ministers,
we have no inside information on what the President prays for when he goes
to bed at night. They will have that out on my show that we were here
giving away private secrets of the President`s dialogue with the lord.
Congressman Emanuel Cleaver, Joan Walsh, thank you both for your time.

WALSH: Thanks, Rev.

SHARPTON: Coming up, was it an accident or was it murder? A big day of
developments in the hot car murder case. What new warrants were released?
And will the mom be charged? New questions tonight. That`s next.


SHARPTON: Now to the hot car case. Was with it an accident or was it
murder? Today 16 new search warrants were released in the case against
Justin Ross Harris. The father charged with murdering his 22-month-old son
cooper. After leaving him in a sweltering hot car for seven hours.
Investigators requested medical records, looking for his health history,
medications, and medical problems. And they asked for the baby`s medical
records, too to find evidence of his medical conditions and medications.

But a key to this case might be in the father`s electronic devices.
Investigators are trying to put together pieces of information pertaining
to finances, credit cards, debt, business information and life insurance.
All of this comes as we are learning police are beginning to focus on
Cooper`s mother. Leanna Harris. After investigators testified last week
that she showed little emotion when she learned of her son`s death.


witnesses all of the sudden she states, Ross must have left him in the car.
And they`re like, what? There is no other reason. Ross must have -- no
other explanation. Ross must have left him in the car.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: When police spoke with her, did they say anything of
note about her reaction at the same?

STODDARD: Her reaction at the same, she didn`t show any emotion when they
notified her of Cooper`s death. She did make a statement that, you know,
this was her worst nightmare.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: And after being told he was deceased, did she ask to see
her son or anything like that?


UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Who did she ask to see?

STODDARD: She asked to see her husband.


SHARPTON: Joining me now, criminal defense Attorney Ken Padowitz and
former prosecutor and MSNBC legal analyst Faith Jenkins. Thank you both
for being here.



SHARPTON: Ken, they asked for medical records, a DVD, a memory card, a
thumb drive, and an external hard drive. What struck you out of the new
search warrants today?

PADOWITZ: Well, the information coming from the search warrants, they are
hitting a treasure trove of circumstantial evidence. And the case is
building if reports are to be believed of what they are finding are
building just as if the hot temperature in that car was building the day
that his son died. I mean, there is some terrible information coming out.
One of the things Reverend that I read that really disturbed me was one of
the internet searches by the father showed that he was searching how to
survive in prison.

If I`m a prosecutor in this case and there is, in fact, first-degree murder
charges filed against the father I`m going to blow that search up. That
search on the internet that father did on how to survive in prison. I
mean, this is a very, very disturbing case. And the evidence that are
coming forth at these search warrants is going to be a tremendous help to
the prosecutors in this case.

SHARPTON: Faith, what jumps out at you on the list of the search warrants
and what they are after?

JENKINS: Well, I think it just shows the level of investigation that they
are conducting at this point. One of the big takeaways from last week`s
hearing was this image of Justin Ross Harris, the dad, and who he really
is. Prior to this hearing you heard a lot of people talk about he was a
loving, caring father or church-going man. And that he would never do
anything to harm his child. And then all of the sudden at these hearing we
find out that he`s having these sexting conversations with numerous women.
One of them being underage.

And that he looked at his website, Reddit, about how to live a child-free
life. All of these things coming up showing a painting of very different
picture of who this man is. So at this point, as a former prosecutor and
as an investigator when you learn information like that, you have to dig
into the defendant`s background at every level to find out who he is. Have
there been other incidences of child abuse against his child Cooper? And
you want to dig that information out.

SHARPTON: Now, you know, this weekend we learned that Justin Ross Harris
has been telling family members from jail how to collect a life insurance
policy on Cooper. Harris and his wife Leanna had two life insurance
policies for their son. One for $25,000. The other for $2,000. Now Ken,
is it strange for parents to take out two life insurance policies for a 22-

PADOWITZ: Well, being the son of a father who is an insurance agent, I can
tell you that there is a legitimate reason to have life insurance for your
son. And that is to ensure their insurability in the future in case they
get sick. But it is rather surprising that there are two policies here.
One of them for $25,000. In conjunction with the other evidence that the
police are finding in this case, there is a lot of suspicion. And that
evidence of that life insurance may be another piece in the puzzle that
builds a circumstantial evidence case for the police and for the
prosecutors in this case. If there were to be a trial.

SHARPTON: Faith, we spoke about the increased interest in Cooper`s mother
earlier. You know, last week a detective told the court about her meeting
with Justin Ross-Harris in the interrogation room. Listen to this.


STODDARD: It was all about him. I can`t believe this is happening to me.
I can`t believe, you know, this happening to me and why am I being punished
for this? It continued. It was all very one-sided.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Did he talk about losing his job?

STODDARD: He talked about losing his job. What am I going to do? I`m
going to lose my job. I will be charged with a felony.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Did his wife ever say anything to him about what he said
to police?

STODDARD: She asked him, she had him sit down and he starts going through
this. And she looks at him and she said, well, did you say too much?


SHARPTON: I mean, did you say too much? I mean, what does that say to
you, Faith?

JENKINS: I mean, the facts and the allegations of these charges against
the dad are so reprehensible and almost unimaginable. There is only one
thing that makes this case even more unimaginable. That`s the fact that
there may have been collusion between the dad and the mom to kill this
child. And when you look at these facts, that fact when she went to the
day care and her first response was that her husband must have left the
child in the car. When she went to the police station from the clip that
you just played, when she said, did you say too much? And her lack of
emotional response when the police told her that her son died. She didn`t
are have an emotional response. She didn`t cry at all. So much so that
her mother even questioned, why aren`t you upset about this?


JENKINS: Those things point to the fact that there may have been collusion
here. Now, is that enough for conspiracy? They`re going to have to show
there was an agreement between the two of them to commit this crime. I
think they are taking their time with their investigation with her. And
they are building their case. And if there is enough, I think that we`ll
see charges against her.

SHARPTON: Ken, no warrant yet issued for the mom. But Faith thinks they
maybe building that way. Some very questionable behavior. Do you see them
tying to go that way? Are these just part of them being thorough with

PADOWITZ: Well, I think they are doing it in a very intelligent way.
They`re taking their time, they`re building a case. They`re looking to see
if there is circumstantial evidence sufficient to rise to the level of
probable cause to arrest or to charge the mother in this case. It doesn`t
mean right now that there is sufficient evidence, she may not be guilty of
any crime. But right now the evidence is coming out. The internet search
by the mom, looking to see if in fact how long it takes for a child or
animal to die in a hot car.

If those media reports are true and she did make those searches and she did
it within a short period of time prior to the son`s death, there is
sufficient direction for the investigation to look at her closely to
determine whether or not they can build a case and charge her with a crime.

SHARPTON: All right. Ken Padowitz and Faith Jenkins, we`ll have to leave
it there. Thank you both for your time tonight.

JENKINS: Sure. Thank you.

PADOWITZ: Thank you.

SHARPTON: Still ahead, this weekend`s stunning surge in violence in
Chicago. Why did it happen? And what can be done to bring peace back to
our streets? That`s ahead.


SHARPTON: I just returned this morning from New Orleans after attending
the 20th anniversary of Essence Fest. The fest of all was a huge success.
A sign of how far this city come back since Hurricane Katrina. Hundreds of
thousands of people came out for panels, seminars, and music. Including a
headlining performance by Prince. I got a chance to sign copies of my book
"The Rejected Stone" and meet with many people at the MSNBC meet and greet.

But my personal highlight was getting honored by three courageous women who
have turned their personal grief into a positive force for change. The
mothers of Trayvon Martin and Amadou Diallo and the fiance of Sean Bell
helped present me the Essence Icon Award for service in the cause of civil
rights. These women have been through so much and their courage and faith
reminds me every day of what I`m fighting for.


SHARPTON: I promise you, Michelle, and the Essence family that I will keep
fighting as long as I live. Every day I get up, I have only one wish. And
that is, every morning I wake up, that every bigot, every brutal person,
every wrong person in this land will say, damn, he`s up again.



SHARPTON: Finally tonight, a bloody weekend in Chicago. The Chicago
Tribune says that between Thursday afternoon and early Monday morning, 82
people were shot in the city. Eighty two. Fourteen of them died. The
youngest victim was 14 years old. The oldest was a 66-year-old woman, her
head was grazed by a bullet as she walked up the steps of her porch. This
map shows all the places where shootings have happened in Chicago so far
this year. It`s too much. People are simply fed up.


UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Something we see every day man in Chicago. Bottom-line.
It`s a tragedy. I feel sorry for the family. I pray for them.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: You get used to seeing people shot, you can used to
seeing dead bodies. I mean, it`s got to stop sometimes.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Sometimes I fear walking around. Because you never
know who`s watching, what`s on the next person`s mind. How they might look
at you. And it`s like, I`m 21. I want to live.


SHARPTON: A year and a half ago, police said crime had plunged to the
lowest level in decades. But then investigations, including some by my
colleague Chris Hayes raised questions about whether police were fiddling
with the numbers. The people of Chicago want to know what police, city
officials and community leaders are going to do about the violence. I got
an apartment there last year and stayed once a week, once every two weeks.
I got to know people, talked to those young people.

We cannot have a nation where one of its largest cities people say we are
used to seeing people die. We can`t have that kind of hopelessness. And
here we are seeing this weekend raises this again. I`m going to do my
part. Others must do theirs. But no one should be given a pass. All
hands on deck. From parents to city hall. For politicians to preachers.
We`ve got to stop the violence.

Thanks for watching. I`m Al Sharpton. "HARDBALL" starts right now.


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