updated 7/25/2014 9:45:05 AM ET 2014-07-25T13:45:05

THE ED SHOW
July 24, 2014

Guest: Tim Ryan, Larry Cohen, Joy Reid, Mitch Ceasar, Mike Papantonio,
Michael Brune

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BARACK OBAMA, CURRENT U.S. PRESIDENT: This week marks five years since the
last increase in the minimum wage.

SEN. TED KENNEDY, (D) MASSACHUSETTS: Republican leadership have refused to
let us get a vote.

OBAMA: More and more states and business owners are raising the worker`s
wages.

REP. PAUL RYAN, (R) WISCONSIN: And I think it will hurt the economy.

HEATHER HOLMES, KTVU HOST: According to the labor department, the 13
states that raised their minimum wage at the beginning of this year are
adding jobs.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Walmart, that guy should be careful what he says.

KENNEDY: $240 billion in tax rates for corporations.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because he says the consumer doesn`t have any money,
it`s like what do you pay your people.

KENNEDY: But do you think there`s any increase in the minimum wage, no.

P. RYAN: Too many families are working harder and harder.

KENNEDY: What is the price?

P. RYAN: America deserves better.

KENNEDY: When does the greed stop?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ____1700_ 49 increasing the minimum wage.

P. RYAN: It`s bad economics.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good to have you with us tonight folks. Thanks
for watching. Now, Paul Ryan says, it`s bad economics to raise the minimum
wage. OK.

We`ll match that up with you can`t raise taxes on the job creators, really?
This is what we heard about the Bush tax cuts. Since the Bush tax cuts
have been gone, we have added jobs every single month. Fifty three months
of private sector job growth. And now we`re getting the age-old argument
from the Republicans, "You can`t raise the minimum wage, it will destroy
the economy."

Today marks five years since America last got a raise, does that sound
good? No, it`s terrible.

On July 24th, 2009, the federal minimum wage went from $6.55 an hour to
$7.25 an hour. Now, they didn`t vote back in 2009. That was the last
incremental increase on a vote that was previously taken. Now, you know,
that comes out to an extra $12 per week.

Now, after five years the cost of living has gone up, no question about it.
Republicans, they don`t care. Righties have made clear that they will
block any minimum wage increase on the table.

Now, let`s just look at the numbers. Since July of 2009, since this $12 a
week raise took place, the price of gasoline has gone up 44 percent.
Electricity has gone up 9 percent, ground beef -- it`s that kitchen table,
up 39 percent. Milk is up 21 percent, and bacon is up 67 percent.

You know, bring home the bacon, it`s a little more expensive today, isn`t
it? Now we all know that the minimum wage hasn`t gone up one red cent
since July of 2009. And things are so bad at this time even 69 percent of
Republicans say that they couldn`t live off the minimum wage.

Is it sustainable? Absolutely not, American families are falling behind in
a big way. Republicans have one bogus argument against raising the minimum
wage. They say raising the minimum wage, it`s a job killer. It`s also a
flat out lie.

Republicans are just protecting big corporate interest to keep their
profits high. We have to go back to Senator Ted Kennedy. He once said,
it`s all about greed and those conditions haven`t changed.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KENNEDY: For 10 years, Republican leadership have refused to let us get a
vote on increasing the minimum wage.

What is the price that you want from these working men and women? What
cost? How much more do we have to give to the private sector and the
business? How many billion dollars more are you asking, are you requiring?
When does the greed stop?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: That was the Senate floor, Senator Ted Kennedy back in 2007.
Isn`t it amazing, roll it fast forward at 2014, the conditions haven`t
changed a bit for the people opposing this. Not raising the wage is all
about corporate greed.

Recent job report show minimum wage increases actually helps job growth.
President Obama highlighted this fact earlier today.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

OBAMA: Today marks exactly five years since the last time the minimum wage
went up in this country. That`s too long between raises for a lot of
Americans. Now, I`ve done what I can by requiring federal contractors to
pay their employees a fair wage of $10.10 an hour.

And since the first time I asked Congress to raise the minimum wage, 13
states in D.C. have gone ahead and raised theirs. And here`s something
interesting, states that have increased the minimum wage this year have
seen higher job growth than those who didn`t raise the minimum wage.

America deserves a raise. It will be good for those workers and good for
business.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Most of the country agrees with the President on that, the
numbers are clear. States that raise the minimum wage saw almost a 1-
percent increase in job growth. States that did not raise the minimum wage
saw half that increase.

Now, these numbers are common sense, everyone knows when there is more
money to be spent, business is going to do a heck of a lot better. Just
take a look at Walmart. In May, Walmart reported its smallest quarterly
growth in five years.

Earlier today, the company said, CEO Bill Simon is stepping down. Walmart
said Simon is leaving on good terms. Really?

Meanwhile, some speculate this interview on CNBC did him in.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BILL SIMON, WALMART FORMER CEO: Hopefully after six years, we`re starting
to gain a little traction in the U.S. And that traction is coming at the
top end. I think the middle and down is still pretty challenged.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And so, is that the problem with sales that your
consumers perhaps don`t have as much disposable income to spend?

SIMON: Well, I think retail in general hasn`t been very robust in the last
six years, in the last 12 months particularly.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Simon, all but admitted Walmart is struggling because the top 1
percent is thriving. You see millionaires, they don`t stop at Walmart,
underpaid people do. Twenty percent of Walmart`s customers are on food
stamps.

Some countries, they`re taking a different avenue, they`re not going to
allow this to happen. For instance, Germany raised their minimum wage to
$11.60 an hour. It`s almost the highest in the world. Why do the Germans
do that and we don`t? Politics.

America is currently at a crossroads when it comes to income inequality.
The differences between Democrats and Republicans on this issue like
minimum wage and the safety net, they are simply huge. There`s a big
difference.

This was on full display in Washington, D.C. just today. Failed vice
presidential candidate Congressman Paul Ryan laid out his plan to combat
poverty. You`re going to love this.

Ryan`s new plan takes power away from the federal government and gives it
to private companies.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

P. RYAN: The public and private sector work together, we can offer a more
personalized, customized form of aid, one that recognizes both a person`s
needs and their strengths, both the problem and the potential.

So I would start a pilot program called an opportunity grant. It would
consolidate up to 11 federal programs into one stream of funding to
participating states. The idea would be let states try different ways of
providing aid and then to test the results -- in short, more flexibility in
exchange for more accountability.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Throw it back to the states? That`s not what the American people
voted for. That is a radical plan. And I`ve noticed that Ryan is far more
radical today than he was back in 2012.

Ryan`s plan is bad news for a lot of different reasons. First block grants
are flat out dangerous. Turning programs like food stamps into grants
takes power away from the federal government and insurance in the safety
net. Certain states can`t be trusted to distribute aid as needed. The
federal government needs to have the oversight. We`re not talking about
some huge intrusion here we`re talking about helping people. Some states
could even opt out, like they did with Medicaid expansion.

Of course, that`s really what Ryan wants. He wants the total federal
government out of everything. This would result, if we went down this
road, in large portions of the population without a safety net, who voted
for that? Nobody.

It`s important to remember, Paul Ryan has been attacking poor Americans for
a long time. In 2012, catholic bishops called Ryan`s budget immoral.
Ryan`s 2015 budget is even worse. Nearly two-thirds of his proposed cuts
come from low-income programs.

Americans have a big choice to make this November, you can vote for the
party of immoral budgets or you can vote for the party that wants to give
every American an available living wage with a safety net.

They want to reject Obamacare. They want to reject Medicaid, Medicare.
They want to reject Social Security and privatize it. They want to go
after voices in the workplace. They want to destroy the Postal Service.
They won`t quit, will they?

And now, Ryan is out there selling the turd in the punch bowl trying to
tell us that, "Oh, if we give all this power to the states, Americans are
going to be just a lot better off," really? Backed up, local elections
with Citizens United, you`re going to turn these kind of decisions over to
the locals? Ain`t going to happen, and it should not happen.

Ryan is as radical now as he has ever been. And they are so radical
they`re not even going to bring minimum wage to the floor for a vote. So,
when Ted Kennedy was talking in 2007 and we hear them speak today, the
Democrats in 2014, nothing has changed one bit.

And the President is out there citing statistics that are absolutely
correct. The states that have raised the minimum wage are the states that
are doing better.

Get you cellphones out. I want to know what you think. Tonight`s
questions, "Is Paul Ryan`s new plan to combat poverty immoral?" Text A for
yes, text B for no to 67622. You can go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com and
leave a comment there. We`ll bring in the results later on in the show.

Let me bring in Congressman Tim Ryan from Ohio who is going to be starting
very soon, the minimum wage challenge. Congressman, good to have you with
us tonight.

The way that I`ve got this figured out, I haven`t been in minimum wage
since I was 18 years old driving a pharmacy car in Norfolk, Virginia, but
that`s -- you`re going to live on $41 a day, what do you expect to learn
from this?

REP. TIM RYAN, (D) OHIO: Well, we have -- my wife is doing it with me.
So, we`ve got $154 to live for a week including food, transportation and
entertainment, factoring in housing and other things.

And so, you know, we`re going to -- and I want to make this point clear,
I`m not and we`re not going to come anywhere close to living with the
challenges that minimum wage families have to live with. This is just an
opportunity for us to highlight some of the challenges.

And for us to kind of embody them and then share them with our
constituents, how tough it is to make ends meet. I think you hit the nail
on the head when you were talking about, you know, coffee going up 30
percent, cheese and milk going up 20 percent, egg is going up 20 percent,
these are staples of the American diet and if you`re living on minimum
wage, you`ve seen no increase. And so, you have to account for that, and
my big worry here is we have a huge diabetes epidemic in the country that`s
driving up healthcare costs. And if poor families, working poor families
don`t have enough money to go buy good food, we`re just contributing to
that long-term cost for the country.

So this is very complex issue, but the challenges that these folks face are
tremendous.

SCHULTZ: So, gasoline has gone up 44 percent since 2009, yet we`re still
dishing out oil subsidies to oil companies that are delivering record
profits. Wall Street ...

T. RYAN: Right.

SCHULTZ: ... through the roof, we have nothing for the workers on the
lower end of the wage scale. What does it -- I mean, the climate hasn`t
changed since Ted Kennedy gave his infamous speech on the Senate floor.
You can`t get a vote on this, can you?

T. RYAN: We`re not going to get a vote in the house on this and the rest
of this year. There`s no doubt about that. This is not going to come up
to a vote. One of the reasons I wanted to do this challenge is because the
network of people, the dozens of groups that are involved in this phase
groups and others is to bring awareness, not just to the general public but
to those minimum wage workers, Ed, to let them know, you`ve got to vote,
you`ve got to be involved, you got have your family registered. You`ve got
to take, even if it`s hard, a little bit of time to campaign. You know, we
didn`t get the 40-hour work week and time and a half in the National Labor
Relations Act because we were sitting on our hands.

We had average people that were living in poverty, organized and involved
in the political process. And the most important thing about this is that
the minimum wage worker, 64,000, just in my congressional district alone,
22 percent of the workforce have to get involved, be engaged, be registered
to vote, and get out there and start campaigning and getting your little
network of people involved in the process as well.

That`s how we`re going to change this, it`s not going to be pie in the sky,
someone`s going to wave a magic wand because, you know, we want to be nice
to people. Democracy is a contact sport and we`ve got to have these
workers not only be recognized but also they need to get into the game
themselves and help us push the ball over the goal line.

SCHULTZ: Congressman Tim Ryan thanks for leading the way. I appreciate
your time tonight, thanks so much for joining us and we will circle back
with you on the story.

Let me bring in Communication Workers of America President Larry Cohen.
Mr. Cohen, how repulsive is this? We can`t get a vote on the House floor
when the majority of Americans want this to happen. Why can`t the people
decide, how bad is this?

LARRY COHEN, COMMUNICATION WORKERS OF AMERICA PRESIDENT: It`s pretty bad.
And the minimum wage should only be a starting point. We haven`t seen
wages rise in general in the U.S. in 40 years when you take out inflation.
So -- And as you said so well, why is it that Germany can have an $11.60
minimum wage, Australia $15 minimum wage, these are booming economies.
Germany ties it to increasing collective bargaining to 80 percent of the
country and they pass it almost unanimously. All three major parties vote
for that minimum wage just weeks ago and I happened to be there with them.
So, we are way out of contact with where the world is going, and thanks to
the people you mentioned.

SCHULTZ: Now, Republicans say that this is going to be a job killer. Why
don`t the Germans think this is going to be a job killer?

COHEN: Because Angela Merkel, who`s a centrist, believes that if you don`t
have consumer demand, you`re missing a key ingredient in growing the
economy. We seem to forget that here. Without the consumer that we talked
about, that`s 80 percent of our economy, having more to spend because
they`re producing more, productivity has shot up in this country in that
same period as the wage freeze, there`s no way except of flimflam mortgages
and other schemes that you can stimulate the economy here. So, we`re
hurting ourselves because of ideology and what has become the Republican
Party.

SCHULTZ: So, what do you think it will take to get Republicans to the
table to realize that, "Yeah, we got to do better than $7.25 an hour."
What is it going to take?

COHEN: Tim Ryan nailed it. It`s going to take a movement that`s not just
minimum wage people, which is why we need to talk about things like
collective bargaining and fair trade so that we get not 20 percent of his
district but 80 percent all wage earners in this fight so we can win it.

We need to have that kind of democracy movement saying, "Why is America
leaving working people behind? We want to be part of the global economy."
That means a decent minimum wage, it means rates that work, it means fair
trade, it doesn`t mean the kind of 18th century capitalism that these
Republicans are embracing.

SCHULTZ: And I want your reaction to Paul Ryan`s budget, his plan to make
the social safety net into block grants to go to states and that thinking
that they can make the better decisions.

COHEN: Yeah. That`s the same kind of problem. Instead of having a floor,
he wants an economic lottery, because he believes, you know, like Ayn Rand
not just Ryan Paul that somehow your state of well-being is about your own
commitment in the world. And that works fine for some people.

But if we don`t have like the rest of the world an economic safety net that
you`ve described, if we don`t have that, we`re going to turn ourselves back
into the 18th and 19th centuries here instead of joining the rest of the
world in the 21st century. Those block grants are just another way to
dismantle that safety net.

SCHULTZ: Larry Cohen, President of Communication Workers of America. Good
to have you with us tonight. I appreciate your time, thanks so much Larry.

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Coming up Jeb Bush, this is interesting, is out with his plan on
immigration debate. And I think it really could cost him. Are things that
different in Florida? Rapid Response Panel weighs in on that.

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SCHULTZ: Joining me tonight E.J Dionne, Columnist for the Washington Post
in MSNBC Contributor.

I think that Marco Rubio is somewhat confused on this. I haven`t heard
anybody come out and say that they`re against one man and one woman and I
don`t -- he`s talking about intolerance. Conservatives are the party of
family values. They`d loved to say that.

So, why can`t they embrace families headed up by same-sex partners? Where
are they going with this E.J.?

E.J. DIONNE, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: Well, I totally agree with that Ed. And,
you know, I -- Marco Rubio would actually like nothing better than for us
who attack him so I`m not going to oblige here. I mean, clearly part of
what he`s up to -- politically, is trying to shore up the religious
conservative part of the Republican Party. A lot of Republicans got mad at
him for negotiating immigration reform last year.

And he sort of tried to back away from that but not entirely. So, I think
he knows what he`s doing here. But I think in 10 years time he`s going to
be for gay marriage and I hope you and I can talk about it then. Because I
think that the strongest case for gay marriage -- perhaps paradoxically is
the conservative argument for gay marriage.

If you are for fidelity and commitment in relationships, it`s simply
doesn`t make sense to say to a chunk of our fellow human beings, gays and
lesbian and say, "We`ll we`re for fidelity and commitment but not for you
guys. You guys can`t make this public commitment."

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

DIONNE: And I think that`s why quite a few conservatives actually are
solely coming around to this and certainly, young people are in droves.

SCHULTZ: Rubio says he`s tired of being treated like a hater because he
talks about one man and one woman in traditional marriage. I find that
hard to believe. I don`t sense that out there.

And he`s almost playing the role of a victim. In considering how young
voters are more accepting of same-sex marriage in this revolution that is -
- of acceptance is taking place in society, do Republicans not realize that
they`re fighting a losing battle or just refusing to accept it?

DIONNE: Well, I think the sense that they know they`re fighting a loosing
battle is reflected in this new turn on the right. And I think by the way,
it`s very important that progressives not give them any further to make
this work. What they want to say is, you know, the bigotry that used to be
directed against gays and lesbians is now being directed against people who
are still opposed to same-sex marriage. If you say that you`re going to be
attacked.

And I think that the attitude of people who are for at the same-sex
marriage and I`m one of them is no. Let`s just encourage them along.
Let`s just say, take a look at what some of your fellow conservatives
think.

The public religion researches did a poll found that 43 percent of white
evangelicals under the age of 35 are in favor of same-sex marriage. That
will soon be a majority.

We`re not talking about a percentage or liberals. We`re not talking about
percentage of people who live in the Northeast. We`re talking about white
evangelical Christians.

And so, I think they understand that this is about family. It`s about all
of us who have people who are gay and lesbian in our families. And want
them to have an opportunity to make a life-long commitment.

SCHULTZ: Rubio was critical of the courts for overturning same-sex
marriage bans across the country, but his party doesn`t seem to have too
much problem on the courts making decision that kind of works pretty well
for them. Most recently what one court said about these subsidies for
Obamacare.

So, clearly we`re seeing a double standard here. I mean, everything is to
fit their ideology and their beliefs, is it not?

DIONNE: Absolutely. I mean, now -- basically have to chuckle when a
conservative attacks judicial activism. If you looked at that court
decision yesterday it was the most tortured reading of the healthcare law.
It was as if they said, "Nya, nya (ph), you made a drafting error therefore
we`re going to health insurance away from five million people".

Now unfortunately I think that decision will not stand. I have a strong
feeling ...

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

DIONNE: ... that the whole circuit is going to take this up and say, "No,
this doesn`t make sense." The Supreme Court including Scalia and Thomas --
as in an opinion essentially accepted that the subsidies apply to people
whether they`re on the state exchanges or the federal exchanges.

So, I think this bit of judicial activism will be undone.

SCHULTZ: And not criticize it all by Marco Rubio. That`s for sure.

E.J Dionne, good to have you with us tonight. Thank you so much.

DIONNE: Great, always good to be here. Thank you.

SCHULTZ: Still ahead -- you bet. Still ahead, a 2016 Republican
presidential contender might have made the biggest mistake of his life
politically.

Rapid Response Panel, all over this one. Plus, people all over America
have started the war on climate change. It`s about time.

I`ve got your questions coming up next on Ask Ed Live on the Ed Show at
MSNBC. We are right back. Stay with us.

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SCHULTZ: Thanks for watching tonight we love hearing from our viewers in
our Ask Ed Live segment. Our first question comes from James. What should
democrats run on in the South to win? Great question and let me just tell
you James, you know, it`s amazing what can be accomplished if you`re just
brilliant on the basics.

That`s right, workers rights, women`s rights, equal rights, civil rights,
income inequality, voting rights and of course the economy. You know, if
the democrats stay focused and don`t listen to the gaze guns and God and
forget all of that and focus in on the kitchen table issues it will work in
the South because we are having, have not society right now. Look at how
we`re having a hard time raising the minimum wage in this country.

Folks down south get that. Voting rights are huge but all those other
things I mentioned, those are perfect platforms to win people over. It`s
common sense and it`s fairness.

Next question is from William. Why don`t the big oil companies get ahead
of the curve and invest some of their billions in alternative energy. Very
simple it`s too easy for them to make money on oil. Why should they go
after wind and solar? And go down that road of more technology and
investment, when basically we`re not forcing them to do it. We`re giving
these oil companies money.

We`re giving them subsidies, we`re giving them tax breaks they`re parking
their money off shore. Why in the hell should they worry about wind and
solar and alternative energy because we haven`t pushed them to do so.
Stick around rapid response panel is next.

HAMPTON PEARSON, CNBC CORRESPONDENT: I`m Hampton Pearson with your CNBC
Market Wrap. Stocks in the flat, the Dow falls 3 points. The S and P
gains about a point. The NASDAQ falling 1.

Amazon.com shares are sinking after hour. The company reported on much
wider than expected loss. Also after the bell Starbucks reported earnings
that managed to beat analyst targets but shares are slightly lower at this
hour. And a number of Americans filing for first time jobless claims fell
by 19,000 to 284,000. Economists expected a reading of 308,000.

That`s it from CNBC first in business worldwide.

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JEB BUSH, (R) FLORIDA, FORMER GOVERNOR: They cross the border because they
have no other means to work to provide for their family. Yes, they broke
the law, but it`s not a felony; it`s kind of a -- it`s an act of love.
It`s an act of commitment to your family. I honestly think that this is a
different kind of crime.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show that was Jeb Bush back in April. Jeb
Bush came under heavy criticism from people saying that they issued, they
come here illegally do so as an act of love. The Former Governor is now
changing his tune with the crisis on the border. In a recent Wall Street
Journal up head.

Jeb Bush wrote "We must close loopholes that allow for individuals to be
released from federal custody between hearings. Except for those deserving
few who may demonstrate true cause for asylum or protection from sex
trafficking, these children must be returned to their homes in Central
America."

Jeb went on to say "We must aggressively remove the incentives that
encourage people to break immigration laws. It is vital that we clearly
communicate that there will be zero rewards for those who imperil the lives
of children by sending them to the U.S. illegally."

Jeb Bush also said "House of Republicans need to take action to fix the
current immigration crisis." Of course he wasted no time slamming
President Obama for using executive action on this issue. Jeb wrote "We
have too often seen what happens when the president oversteps his
constitutional authority. Avoiding similar disastrous results will require
legislative action by both parties."

From act of love to close the loopholes, quite a reversal, Jeb Bush is no
doubt making a 180 to appeal to the tyrannical base that is needed for
being nominated by the Republican Party. Joining me tonight rapid response
panel we got three great ones. Mitch Ceasar, Broward County Democratic
Party and also Mike Papantonio host of the "Ring of Fire" Radio Show and
America`s Attorney and also Joy Reid with us tonight host of "The Reid
Report" here on MSNBC.

Is this is a Florida thing to do a 180 when the political heat gets turned
up or what? Joy, what do you making this move right now?

JOY REID, HOST, THE REID REPORT: Yeah. You may call it pulling a Rubio
because Marco Rubio kind of pioneer this idea of switching your position on
immigration appeal to the right. Look, Jeb Bush is running for president.
He wants to anyway. And one thing he has to do is correct all that
compassion stuff and get in line with the base of the Republican Party.

So he think he hit the Barack Obama is over stepping the constitution card
check. He got rid of the compassion check. The only kids who are being
sex traffic should be able to stay check. But everybody remember that he
is the guy who was for comprehensive immigration reform. So it`s not
really going to probably work.

SCHULTZ: He`s all of a sudden a hard liner Mitch Ceasar how this going to
play in Florida?

MITCH CEASAR, CHAIR, BROWARD DEMOCRATIC PARTY: Well, so much for the
compassion and conservative. Now is the ultimate pragmatist politician. I
think he`s looking over shoulder, he`s looking at Marco Rubio, he`s looking
at the rest republican field.

I agree with Joy he`s absolutely running. What`s interesting is, where
this became now where humanitarian crisis not an immigration crisis which
of course was caused by inaction of republicans in Congress. You know, his
peers so to speak.

Now he`s talking about that even victims of human sexual trafficking should
go back. So he is dealing with the very hard rights as you said. But
what`s most interesting is he`s dealt now for him the new political reality
which the rights of the country and certainly the national Republican Party
knew all along. To him it`s the new reality.

SCHULTZ: Yeah. Mike, how do you read it? I mean it seems to me that Jeb
Bush is basically saying what President Obama`s been saying to Congress we
got to do something about immigration reform. And this is something we got
to do. But of course the political wimps won`t let him do it. So where
does Bush fit in this with the President?

MIKE PAPANTONIO, HOST, "RING OF FIRE" RADIO SHOW: He needs Florida that`s
the irony. And he`s not exactly a welcome household name anywhere else in
the country. He has that Bush curse over his head. He plays well in
Florida. But what he`s forgetting is in Florida we have about a 23 percent
Hispanic population according to the last consensus.

So day one we`re hearing the needs for love and compassion all that talk
about child immigrants and how we got to take care of them. Day two,
somebody slaps him in the face and reminds him that his running with the
Ted Cruz crazy party. And he has to act that Ted Cruz crazy. The problem
here right now more than ever, he is the last statesman, the last
possibility of statesman at the Republican Party has.

He needs Florida. He`s going to alienate Florida by this new talk that
we`re hearing. He had to focus on Florida because he`s got to have Florida
for 2016. I don`t know whose advising right now -- bad advice, bad advice.

SCHULTZ: Joy, is he just trying to do triple way at the Ted Cruz base?

REID: What? You know, what I think he`s just trying to make himself
palatable because remember the game for Jeb Bush is to replace Chris
Christie as the guy with the big donor, see if he face that against Rand
Paul. That`s the game for everybody right now.

The problem for Jeb Bush is he is the guy who opposed the SB 1070 law in
Arizona. Nobody is going to forget that. And he thinks he`s got a safety
job in Florida because the population that is Latino is largely Cuban
American and Puerto Rican. But here`s the problem, Cuban Americans
strongly back immigration reform too, even though it doesn`t directly
affect their immigration situation nor does it affect the Puerto Rican
immigration situation.

But therefore immigration reform too. So his old position was helpful in
Florida, his new position looks flagellant to the rest of the party in the
country. I think he`s still in a no win.

SCHULTZ: Yeah, you know, it really does because, you know, Mitch back in
April this problem with the border was transpiring. It was unfolding, it
was taking place. But it wasn`t until the radical started stop and pauses
and making an issue of this in some in congress who was squawking about the
president not doing anything.

Did Jeb Bush all of the sudden do a reversal on this? Can he be trusted?

CEASAR: Well no because, you know, the interesting thing is he started as
immigration crisis went to humanitarian crisis and he went for the flipping
back the other way. New poll came out in Florida. There was poll in May
he was leading the field of republican contenders by more than two to one.
And Rubio was running a distant third loosing by double digits as Rand Paul
was loosing by double digits in second.

New poll came out, now Jeb Bush is leading, but only by 3 points. Again
review merit situation Marco Rubio has jumped over Rand Paul and his rating
second only behind 3 points. So the prot‚g‚ is now, you know, breathing on
his neck. And he realizes in his republican field and is republican
primary system. You have to go extreme right.

So he`s reacting. This is reluctant candidate, nine candidate, candidate.

SCHULTZ: Mike, do you think that Bush is probably the best chance the
republicans have of winning Florida in 2016?

PAPANTONIO: There is no question on my mind. Rubio is not even a factor.
The difficulty that he has here the further he gets away from the idea that
he has to win Florida. The further he gets away form that, the further he
get away from not only, you know, possibly he can win on the primaries.
But beyond that he`s got a problem. Look this is an easy talking point.

His brother said "we need to allow immigrant children the right to seek
asylum by appearing in front of the judge and explaining how they`re
escaping drug violence and trafficking and military mayhem back home." And
all they want is the chance to do that.

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

PAPANTONIO: That was a good talking point, he could grab that talking
point. He could say "Ronald Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million immigrants."
And, you know, what I`m going to rely on the wisdom of Ronald Reagan. But
somebody is giving this guy bad advice right now, very bad advice.

SCHULTZ: All right quickly from all three of you Joy you first, Annette
Taddeo good running mate for Charlie Crist?

REID: Excellent running mate, if that the Latino on the ticket it`s
something that Charlie Crist really needs is to galvanize minority voters
in Florida very good pick.

SCHULTZ: Mitch what do you think?

CEASAR: Good pick female, South Florida, Latino, small business owner,
children gets it, has been there, done it, adds a great balance in the
particular example you gave with Crist. He is essential in Florida, you
know, gets the independent vote.

SCHULTZ: Mike, I know how you feeling about this.

PAPANTONIO: It`s perfect, brilliant and aggressive. She`s perfect.

SCHULTZ: I think this would be very, very interesting what unfolds in
South Florida and the Governors rights. Thank you so much folks Mitch
Ceasar, Mike Papantonio and Joy Reid, well you see right here on MSNBC 2:00
Eastern Time Monday through Friday.

Coming up more Americans fighting against climate change, if you think your
voice doesn`t matter you better think again. The Punch Out, coming up stay
with us we`ll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCHULTZ: And in Pretenders tonight Doocy`s wild. Fox & Friends the
morning show host has some word problem. Steve Doocy wants to gamble with
the lives of foreigners on American soil if they don`t speak English.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

STEVE DOOCY, FOX NEWS HOST: They stumbled across the border illegally and
now they need your help.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 911, take your emergency.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Does somebody speak Spanish?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

(FOREIGN LANGUAGE)

DOOCY: The Texas town forced to answer 911 calls from stranded illegals in
Spanish.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Next the Kirby Couch got even more twisted, Brian Kilmeade was
outraged, the emergency responders could not ignore calls for help.

BRIAN KILMEADE, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: The 911 calls bombarding the
Brooks County Police Department not only they under stepped and lacking
resources. Now they got to deal with illegal immigrants who have no
business being here.

So those calls you have to respond too, even though for the most part when
you get there you realize they`re not even American citizens.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s correct, but they`re on U.S. soil. And the due
process comes in to play and that`s the way we`re taking the mess.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Did Kilmeade say "under stepped in needing resources?" Well,
come on over to the good side dude. We think it`s important to fund things
that matter in this country there is no mistranslation here. Doocy and
Kilmeade`s line of thinking is lower than a snake`s belly.

If Fox & Friends thinks they have to speak English to get help in America
they can keep on pretending.

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ED SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show this is the story for the folks
who take a shower after work. Here on the Ed Show, we have been talking
with the folks from Bold Nebraska for months now. Their fight to stop the
proposed Keystone XL pipeline has really become a part of the national
story about energy in this country and climate change. And I want to point
out that there are other fights taking place around the country. This is
how a movement gets started and this is how it works.

For instance, in Erie, Colorado, oil and gas company in Canada is trying to
get approval for 13 new hydraulic fracking wells. Well, the folks don`t
like that. The neighbors who stand to loose the most and be most effective
by these new sites, they have come out in full force since June. Great
story.

A group of grassroots activists in the state of main, letting vocal
campaign to warn the community about the possibility of tar sands coming
down the Portland pipeline from Canada and the environmental hazards that
might follow. Let`s go to Pennsylvania where residents filed complaints
about drilling related water problems and a lack of a reliable system for
tracking citizen`s complaints.

A new report shows residents are right to demand change. Oil and gas
extraction damaged water sources in the state more than 200 times since
2007. Not a good trend. These individuals are working hard together to
raise awareness of environmental issues in their own backyards and their
home towns. And I think these small victories which will make a big impact
on the environmental movement of this country if we really are going to
address climate on the political level.

All politics is local and when they started doing stuff with your
environment and your backyard, you got to speak up. Michael Brune is the
executive director of the Sierra Club. He joins me tonight here on the Ed
Show. Mr. Brune, good to have you with us.

It just seems that there is a level of awareness right now that has changed
in America. Are these small grassroots movements the best way? Are they
going to make an impact on climate change?

MICHAEL BRUNE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF SIERRA CLUB: Yes, absolutely. And
we`re seeing victories like this all across the country on fracking as you
cited on the tar sands as you cited. There`s also 170 American towns and
communities that have decided to move beyond dirty coal and replace it with
clean energy. We`re seeing clean energy being installed at greater rates
than we`ve seen in this country putting hundreds of thousands of people to
work. There`s real momentum that we`re seeing and it does knit together
into a cohesive movement. So there`s some reason for optimism.

SCHULTZ: The -- I mean I really do believe that climate change could be
the death mill for the Republican because there`s so many deniers in
Congress. How do they go home and explain this to people when people in
their surroundings are seeing change? What about it?

BRUNE: You want to know? They don`t explain. That`s the whole point is
they distracts, right? So they don`t explain that in red states, in
Republican districts are feeling the effects of climate change in the form
of fires and floods and droughts and severe weather. They also don`t
explain that clean energy is installed in red districts even more than
democratic districts in the wind belt in the middle part of the country and
then the Sun Belt in the southern part of the country.

The other thing that they don`t explain is that when we organize, when we
work together, collectively we can achieve great things. We can build the
society that is powered by clean energy and put millions of people to work
but we have to work for it. We got to vote, we have to organize and we
have to show up. And the final thing I`ll say is that this will reach a
crescendo in September, on September 21st in New York City. We`ll have the
largest gathering on climate change in U.S. history. More than a 100,000
people will be there to advocate for a clean energy economy that works for
all Americans. I hope I`ll see you there, Ed.

SCHULTZ: You know, well I will be in the neighborhood there`s no question
about that and this would probably the best time for me to tell you that at
our fishing lodge in Canada, we have gone solar.

BRUNE: All right.

SCHULTZ: And that`s going to reduce our dependency on diesel fuel by over
95 percent. I`m going to bring story here to the Ed Show coming up here
but, you know, I think people that are in the position to do something
about and have an obligation to do something about it. I`m looking forward
to tell him that story and I will see you in September at that rally in New
York City. I think that`s great work. Michael Brune.

BRUNE: Sounds good.

SCHULTZ: ... good to have you with us tonight. I appreciate your time so
much.

BRUNE: Thanks a lot. Take care.

SCHULTZ: I want to thanks the folks from the event, National Letter
Carriers Association. I spoke to them yesterday in Philadelphia and today
I was in Chicago speaking to the American Postal Worker`s Union and they
are great folks working hard. We`ll continue to tell their story.

That`s the Ed Show, I`m Ed Schultz.

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