updated 8/25/2014 6:38:17 PM ET 2014-08-25T22:38:17

THE ED SHOW
22, 2014

Guest: Aeneas Williams, Harold Cook


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s all for now.

The Ed Show is coming up next.

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to the Ed Show.
Live from Detroit Lakes, Minnesota. Let`s get to work.

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CAPT. RON JOHNSON, FERGUSON HIGHWAY PATROL: Another step towards healing
and understanding...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re no longer be profiled...

BRACK OBAMA, CURRENT UNITED STATES PRESIDENT: Let me call once again, for
us to seek some understanding.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Don`t treat us like we`re different.

OBAMA: There`s no excuse for excessive force by police.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stand up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don`t shoot.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stand up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don`t shoot.

OBAMA: The DOJ works for me.

JOHNSON: The top law officer in the land...

ERIC HOLDER, U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL: Few things have affected me as quickly
as my visit to Ferguson.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He told me some people are targeted...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That that`s indicative of how we`re being dealt with.

JOHNSON: They know that their voice has been heard.

OBAMA: I don`t look like I`m putting my thumb on the scales one way or the
other.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No justice.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No peace.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No justice.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No peace.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight folks, thanks for watching. So,
how do you heal a community? We start tonight with local leaders in
Ferguson Missouri who clearly are making a big difference. One of those
leaders is NFL Hall of Fame corner back, Aeneas Williams who will join us
in this broadcast tonight in a few moments. But first, I want to talk
about the serious issues facing this city, this town in Missouri.

A major problem right now in Ferguson is simply communication. There is a
huge disconnect between local leaders, police, and the actual residence of
the city. Many residents in Ferguson feel like, they don`t have a voice,
and it shows in the demographics. According to the 2010 U.S. census, just
over 21,000 people lived in Ferguson Missouri. Over 67 percent are
African-American. One in four residents, live below the poverty line. Per
capita income in the city, $21,000.

Meanwhile, the people running Ferguson don`t reflect those demographics, 50
out of 53 police officers are white. Six out of seven school board members
are white. The city council has only one black member. The Detroit Free
Press reports black voter turned out in Ferguson Missouri in 2013 was a
dismal 6 percent. To make matters worst, the over policing in Ferguson is
funding the city. Court fees actually account for the nearly one-quarter
of the city`s revenue.

According to Missouri attorney general, 93 percent of the people arrested
in Ferguson are black. The underlying problems in Ferguson run deep. The
only way to fix these issues is if the people of Ferguson get involved in
their community, take control, open a dialogue between residence and
authorities. This is what local leaders are attempting to do in order to
turn the tide of anger in the streets.

One local leader who`s making a big difference is NFL Hall of Fame corner
and safety back -- that would be Aeneas Williams. Williams was just
inducted into the NFL Hall of Fame this year. He played 14 years in the
NFL. The last four seasons were with the St. Louis Rams. He knows this
community. After football, Williams became a pastor. He became a pastor
and founded the Spirit Church in Ferguson.

After football, Williams became a pastor and he has given his heart to this
community. Williams lives just 12 miles from where Michael Brown was shot.
After Brown, after the shooting and the unrest that followed, Aeneas
Williams went out to help guide the people of the community.

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AENEAS WILLIAMS, NFL HALL OF FAME: Last Sunday, we were on the road back
coming back to St. Louis and received a call from the mayor of Ferguson,
asking if I would come to bring calm and stability to the situation that
took place.

No matter how bad this is and it`s horrific, right? Guess what? At some
point, we will have to get together, us, the police and talk. I know
you`re upset, but listen to me men we will never get anywhere if we just
keep the anger.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is two-way street (inaudible) what they will do.

WILLIAMS: I agree. That`s why I said -- listen to what I`m saying, that`s
why I said there, but in order for the two-way street to meet, we got to
talk.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right.

WILLIAMS: . both from both sides. Because there both sides to their
experience, all right?

So I was asked question, why I`m out of here and its -- number one being in
this community as a pastor and being that voice of reconciliation.
Anything that I could do to leverage the influence that I have to help get
everything turned back around, I`m willing to do it.

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SCHULTZ: Williams is s a local leader who`s making a difference in
Ferguson, Missouri. He`s on the ground, talking to people. Williams is
hearing out concerns and coming up with the game plan to improve the
situation. That is real leadership. This is how our community can start
demand.

Joining me tonight, NFL Hall of Fame defensive back Aeneas Williams,
Founder and pastor of the Spirit Church in Ferguson Missouri. Well,
pastor, great to have you with us tonight. I really appreciate your time
and I`m inspired. I was inspired by that story that was done on the NFL
network and you have given your soul to this community and it`s very clear
from the video tape in the looks on the faces of those kids that you are
having an impact.

But I want to start with you pastor. What inspired you to become a pastor?

WILLIAMS: Well, one of the things Ed, first of all, thanks for having me
on. What inspired me, my wife Tracy and I we really have been pasturing
teammates as well as our neighbors and we were involve in local church. I
played 10 years with Arizona Cardinals and finished up here in Saint Louis
four years. But we`ve always been involve whether it was small life groups
in our home. But really believe that the lord had blessed us in such a way
through the scriptures to have these bible studies in our home and to be
able to influence my teammates and significant others and wives with a
loving kindness of the gospel like someone shared with me.

SCHULTZ: You know, this is one of the most positive stories that is
unfolding in Ferguson, someone who is looked up to as an icon. You know,
how kids view NFL football players, especially the kind of career that you
had and the contribution that you made. And now you go as a man with a
cloak (ph) into the community which is a real courageous thing. There`s no
doubt about that. It`s not easy to do the work on the street and open up
and communicate with kids in what can be a pretty volatile atmosphere.

Are they receiving you? Do you feel like you`re making a difference and
are you fulfilled in doing this?

WILLIAMS: Ed, I`m absolutely fulfilled. And I think the difference is, I
grew up with some great parents, Lawrence and Lillian down in New Orleans,
Louisiana, grew up in a little are called Hollygrove. It`s the same area
where Lil Wayne is from. One of the ways that -- as a pastor it`s not that
I`m above my parishioners, I`m actually a parishioner and was once a
parishioner as well. So I`m always reminded that I am no different. And
what I needed to do in this community in particular, I`d apologize to my
congregation as well as, as I went out into the community. And the reason
is, we`ve been in Ferguson one year.

I didn`t do a good enough job of getting out to all aspects of the
community to get a polls, talk to the police officers, talk to the
community and find out what are some of the challenges even with the
mayor`s office. What are some of the challenges in the neighborhood? And
in doing that, I would be able to leverage whatever influence I have as a
hall of fame football player and part of -- what`s called a group of
legends community with the National Football League today.

How can I leverage that influence to bring tension and relief to something
that was already brewing that created the environment by which we
experience this horrific event over the past two weeks.

SCHULTZ: What do you hear these kids on the streets say pastor? What`s
the angst? What`s the anger? What`s the emotion? What do you hear?

WILLIAMS: You know, what I hear Ed, and I apologize if I get a little
emotional with this, is when you settle them down, when you settle these
young men down they`re able to clearly, in a very gracious way, share what
the practical experiences are. What I`ve done, I`ve communicated with
community in particular some teenagers, and when they settle down they were
able to tell me, I asked the question, what`s it like being you? And each
of them and shared with me, when they get pulled over simple traffic stop,
not knowing of being very nervous as to what`s going to be coming up
besides the ticket.

And all I do was just listen to them, but I also talked with police
officers, I`m a part of, I`ve served what a back stopper organization, in
every April, they memorialize the fallen officers over the past year. And
I`m usually in tears at that particular pre-breakfast. And the reason,
being those families that are there -- what I realized with officers, when
they leave out, it`s not always a guarantee that they`re returning home.
So what I hear from the community in particular with the young people is
the frustration and no voice and no where to communicate that frustration

And officer with the police officers, there`s no way where they can
communicate with different aspects of the community, some of the challenges
in policing the community. So as a pastor, one of my things that I believe
Jesus Christ has given us, is to administer reconciliation, where I`ve seen
a lot of people on separate sides on the street. What I want to do Ed,
along with a number of all the people that do far more than what I`m doing
is walk down in the middle of the street, bring both parties together and
have civil discourse in a calm peaceful way because there has to be a human
element. And one thing I did, I look up Michael -- the name Michael to
find what it means.

And that`s Michael Brown. Michael means, who is like our God, the name
Darrell Wilson, Darrell, the police officer, it means that agent for good.
So wouldn`t it be like God to attempt to find good and to begin healing
right here in Ferguson, something that has happened all over this country
as relates to the racial divide. And I`m taking upon us as a generation to
play our part and use my football experience, one thing, when good teams
play, Ed.

When it gets down to the two-minute warning, usually with good teams the
game has decided within that two minutes, and what ball teams have to do is
forget about everything that has happen prior to that two minute and put
all of their effort, all of their energy toward being very decisive and
very intentional, be successful in that game. And that`s what I want to do
along with so many others to bring all parties together, have civil
discourse. In football, when we see the film, if we see a mistake, own it
and then own it and then come up with conversation and policies that would
help to serve all aspects of the community.

SCHULTZ: You know, pastor, I hear tremendous optimism and tremendous hope
in your voice. Have you seen and look at into the eyes of these kids, have
you felt the heart that they wanted to be right? That they`re not
rebellious, that they just need an opportunity? I sense that in what
you`re saying tonight but I don`t want to mischaracterize it. What about
what?

WILLIAMS: And you`re not Ed. When I got an audience with these young
people, here is what happened, there was a young man, Deron (ph). Deron
(ph) is probably 19-years-old. What Deron (ph) did was reverse, almost
became like a child when I was talking to him. And here`s what I mean, he
says Aeneas, when we were younger, the police officers use to have baseball
cards, and you know Ed, Saint Louis has a big baseball town.

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: And they said, the police officers use to always pass out
baseball cards. And not only did Deron tell me his story but he begin to
bring all of his other friends and they were like all over again. There
were like kids. And they say -- and Deron will say to each of them, hey,
tell him how it used to be. And another one said, "Hey, one day when I was
younger and I was coming home late, a police officer picked me up and
brought me home", and so I saw in their hearts and they said, "That`s when
we remember the police officers being our friends and they were apart of
the community."

So when you see that and you see that they`re calm and those good emotions
that are remembered about police officers and then, talking to officers
remembering when it was a time where you could interact even more with the
community. I just want to be a part of finding ways to connect community
together with civic leaders, with officers and certainly those disparities
as relates to the police force and ethnicity as relates to the make up.

Those are concrete things that we could talk about and have measurable
goals to bring changes if there`s an openness and an open dialogue where
both sides can tell honestly how they feel without feeling judged, and then
from there, both sides feeling like they`ve expressed it, but also, in our
generation I`m optimistic because as people of faith, what makes the
difference, we don`t have to always see it happening exactly like it should
be. But because we trust this is the world of God that all of us and in
particular, here in the United States, united we stand.

And that`s what I`m really harping on.

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: .that we`re able to -- all over this country, starting right
here in Ferguson, begin to create dialogue that would eliminate the
environment by with something like there`s another tragic young life is
lost and more distrust is happening between the civic leaders or the police
department and the community.

SCHULTZ: NFL, Hall of Fame, defensive back and Pastor Aeneas Williams.
You got the angels on your shoulders my friend. I admire what you`re doing
pastor and ask those kids to walk with the lord. You know, they`re going
to go with you. I think that you were doing unbelievable work in that
community. I can hear it your voice and this is exactly what Ferguson,
Missouri needs, there`s no doubt about it. Great work Pastor. Thank you.

WILLIAMS: Thank you, Ed.

SCHULTZ: Yes, OK. We`ll have you back, great to have you with us.

Let me bring in Dr. Michael Eric Dyson, MSNBC political analyst and
professor at Georgetown University. I`m moved by that conversation, by
what he said, Dr. Dyson. In all of these, what has unfolded, you have been
critical of the President of the United States. In fact, you penned an op-
ed recently saying that the President was his -- he`s tone deaf and
disappointing. What can be done, Michael? What can be done? What do you
want the President to do with this point?

MICHAEL ERIC DYSON, GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY: Well, look, Ed, I love my
president. I`ve been supportive of my president. I was a surrogate for
Mr. Obama twice, that`s because the president of the United States of
America is a remarkable human being, who is capable of doing great good and
has done great good.

I disagreed with him on this particular issue so, I have principal
criticism. My criticism is the following, I know that the President had
to remain calm because he didn`t want to offend the violence and fuel the
flames of out -- of uprising and of violence there, but on the other hand,
there`s a difference between remaining calm and having dispassion, a
clinical distance from the people who are there on the ground.

The Attorney General went to Ferguson it would be good if the President
could go to Ferguson. He went to Sandy Hook. He went to Hurricane Sandy
victims and there`s nothing wrong with the president of the United States
of America being empathetic to those people. You don`t have to weigh the
outcome. I know he didn`t want to get involved in this particular case.

I`m not talking about this particular case. I`m talking about these
particular people and millions more like them across this nation who needs
to know that the government is on their side. They don`t need moral
lectures about reformed behavior in light of the vicious assault upon their
bodies. They are executions of black men...

SCHULTZ: So...

DYSON: ... in the streets of America and it needs to stop and the
president of United States of America needs to say that`s an outrage, it`s
a fully propitious (ph) moment here. A Harry Truman, the book stops with
me.

SCHULTZ: So, you think the president should go to Ferguson, Missouri. You
think that it would have a lasting impact and a real impression on society?
It may be could be a turning point? I don`t want to put words in your
mouth but it...

DYSON: Absolutely. It is a turning point...

SCHULTZ: ... it`s time for the President to do it?

DYSON: I think so. I mean it would have been great to do it. When Eric
Holder did it, it would`ve been great to do it before but it`s still great
to do it now. The young man`s funeral -- Mike Brown`s funeral is on
Monday. What message would it send for if Mr. Obama, President Obama, the
President of the United States of America, again, not taking sides, I don`t
want him to take sides against Darren Wilson until we have a full hearing
in the court, but we -- that`s the problem.

SCHULTZ: Yes.

DYSON: Black people often can`t even get to the court. The extraordinary
measures we have to go to in order just to get what many white brothers and
sisters take for granted. That is if a policeman shoot a young white
person, that policeman more than likely will at least be arrested if it`s
under suspicious conditions and if that young white person is unarmed, they
will certainly have the benefit of the doubt.

All we`re asking for is for all people in America to be treated equally and
right now, African-American and Latino people and poor people do not
receive the same brand of justice that others receive and the president of
the United States of America must make that clear and stand on behalf of
those people.

SCHULTZ: Dr. Michael Eric Dyson, good to have you with us tonight on the
Ed Show. I appreciate your time. Thanks so much.

Coming up, Rick Perry hits the road despite his reasoned indictment, the
Texas governor aims to impress big donors ahead of the midterms. Plus,
Romney and Ryan reunite, the 2012 contenders are together again, before
Ryan head south to test the waters in the Sunshine State. Stay with us,
we`re right back.

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GOV. RICK PERRY, (R) TEXAS: I remained focused on the work of the people
of this state. Doing the job I was elected to do and I will not be
distracted by these baseless political charges.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show and thanks for watching tonight. On
Tuesday, Texas Governor Rick Perry turned himself in to authorities on
charges of abuse of power. Perry promised a crowd of supporters he would
not allow the accusations to distract him. Well, if you take a look at his
schedule, you`d never guess the governor faces a maximum of 109 years
behind bars if he`s convicted.

In fact, Perry`s schedule makes it clear he`s not worried about the big
house. He`s more focused on the White House. On Thursday, Perry heat up
the Heritage Foundation on Capitol Hill where he delivered a speech on
immigration reform and border security. In just moments, Perry will speak
live at an American for Prosperity event in New Hampshire. He`s scheduled
to attend six events in two days in that state.

Then Perry will head to South Carolina to headline a victory tailgate
fundraiser for the State Republican Party ahead of the USC Texas State and
football game. Folks, don`t think it`s a coincidence Perry is heating up
early primary states. As long as the indictment is pending, Rick Perry
might lose his right to carry a concealed weapon. But it looks like he
still taking aim at higher office.

Joining me tonight, Harold Cook, Democratic strategist from Texas. Mr.
Cook, good to have you with us tonight. Perry is...

HAROLD COOK, TEXAS DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Hi, good...

SCHULTZ: ... Perry is just -- I mean, he`s showing some thick skin here,
I`ll give him that. I mean he is publicly brushing off these charges. The
National Media, both the left and the right seem to be saying, "No big
deal." How serious are these and how are the people in your state
responding to this?

COOK: Oh, I think everybody in Texas is taking this far more seriously
than anyone else, except for one guy in Texas and that`s what Rick Perry.
He`s a lot more concerned with running for President than anything else
right now. And I`ll give his due, for a guy that had a go into booking and
take a mug shot and got charged with a couple of felonies and might go to
prison. Aside from that, he had a pretty good week.

He`s actually managed to talk a lot of people into believing that this is
some partisan witch hunt. And look, if you`re going to talk partisan witch
hunt, you need to look and see who`s standing at the trial on this
indictment. I mean the criminal complaint was lodged in the D.A.`s office,
she`s a Democrat, she recused herself. It went to a judge who was a
Democrat, she recused herself. It then went to a Republican judge, who
then assigned it to another Republican judge who then, appointed a special
prosecutor with more Republican credentials than anything else.

So there`s not a Democrat insight on this deal. So, for Governor Perry to
convince anybody that this is some partisan witch hunt is beyond to me. I
mean these are Republicans in charge of investigating Rick Perry and they
got him indicted.

SCHULTZ: Well, here is how he responded to all of these with the ire of a
Democrat. He said, today Governor Perry talked about the Travis County
where the charges are coming from, and he still says it`s all politically
connected. Here it is.

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GOV. RED PERRY, (R) TEXAS: In Travis County, if you all are not aware,
Texas is a pretty red state now, but I refer to Travis County as the
blueberry in a tomato soup, if you know what I mean.

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SCHULTZ: Mr. Cook, what`s your response to that?

COOK,: Well, I think what he`s eluding to is that he -- I think -- well
he`s actually said, in fact that, "Oh, gosh", you know, you`re going to
indict, and him saying which, in the Travis County grand jury is going to
be full of Democrats and Perry`s a Republican so they`re just picking on.
And I think that`s what he`s trying to imply here.

But look, somebody looked in to the make up of the -- the political make up
of the actual grand jury. Sure two or three or more Democrats but a couple
of them are Republicans, and I think four or five aren`t registered to vote
at all. They are dealing with a special prosecutor who was in a sense a
U.S. attorney appointed by George W. Bush and who was...

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

COOK: ... and who was recommended to be the U.S. attorney by senators John
Cornyn and Kay Bailey Hutchison. Look, everybody I just named is a
Republican.

SCHULTZ: What`s his defense here other than going out saying, "I think I
did the right thing"?

COOK: Well, he can say that for a long time but that only last a long --
and, you know, his defenses are actually working pretty well right now. If
you consider that his audiences are Republican primary voters in Iowa, and
New Hampshire, and South Carolina. But it also has a pretty limited shelf
life. I don`t want to practice law without a license here, but everybody
down here...

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

COOK: ... knows that he can say whatever he wants about what a sham
indictment this is right up until the time his legal team files a motion
probably as early as next week to dismiss the charges or to have the
indictments quashed. Well, if a judge denies that motion, then all of
sudden his entire narrative is off the window, and he is going to be forced
to explain what he did in a much more serious way than just blowing it off
like claiming it as some partisan witch hunt.

SCHULTZ: Harold Cook from Texas with us tonight here on the Ed Show. I
appreciate your time. Thanks so much, we`ll certainly follow the story.

Still ahead, Paul Ryan hopes to avoid the chilly reception in the Sunshine
State. Plus Keith Ablow literally puts some words in Eric Holder`s mouth.
Pretenders is coming up. Your questions next, Ask Ed Live. We`ll be right
back on the Ed Show in MSNBC.

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SCHULTZ: Ask Ed Live every night right here on the Ed Show. Appreciate
all the questions tonight. Our first question is from Debbie.

She asks, "Are you ready for some football?" You kidding me, I can`t wait,
especially here at Detroit Lakes, Minnesota. Flint Motschenbacher, head
football coach, I guarantee the Lakers is going to have a dandy of football
team this year.

Our next question is from Julie from Owatonna, Minnesota. She wants to
know, "Who has better fishing, Minnesota or Canada". Well, Julie, it
depends on what you`re fishing for, if you`re fishing for Muskies, there`s
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about it. Best pan fishing in the world, right here in Minnesota. But the
best walleye fishing in the world is in Canada.

Stick around. Rapid Response Panel is next.

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Federal Reserve Chair Janet Yellen said the economy is improving. But she
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SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. The dynamic duo, well they are back
to their old mission. Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, showed their faces
together for the first time since their failed presidential run. The swell
delusion, well it hasn`t gone down.

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MEGYN KELLY, FOX NEWS HOST: Who do you think would make a better
President, you or Governor Romney?

REP. PAUL RYAN, (R) WISCONSIN: I`ll give it to him.

MITT ROMNEY, MASSACHUSETTS FORMER GOVERNOR: He`s very generous. But I had
my turn, it`s his turn now.

KELLY: You know, one of the things you read about the...

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: That`s a pretty deep conversation. In fact, that`s just how it
is with the Republicans these days. Point fingers at one another. The
love feast didn`t stop there. Ryan dropped the first hallmark of running
for president, a book release. Mitt Romney is running for president of the
book club.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KELLY: You are together in Chicago at the Union Lee Club to promote and
discuss this book, it`s going to be interesting because you Governor
Romney, I know are going to question Congressman Ryan and interview him
about the book, which I really wish I could see, but I have to anchor this
after you leave.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Paul Ryan is taking his promotional tour down to Florida today.
Ryan has a famously troubled past in Florida with senior citizens after
peddling out his planned hack away Medicare. Ryan had to peddle out his
mother at a 2012 campaign event in Florida. Ryan needed to show he was
more senior friendly. Well, it didn`t work there either. The vice-
presidential candidate got this warm reception at the AARP Convention a
month later.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

RYAN: The first step to a stronger Medicare is to repeal Obamacare,
because it represents the worst of both worlds. I had a feeling there`ll
be mix reactions, so let me get into it.

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SCHULTZ: I just wonder if that material is in the book. I guess I`ll have
to read it. Paul Ryan didn`t get into it, he stepped in it. I`m ready for
the reaction to Paul Ryan this time around.

Let`s go to our Rapid Response Panel tonight, Political Commentator John
Fugelsang with us tonight and Ring of Fire radio host and America`s
Attorney, Mike Papantonio. John, you first, what new material is going to
be in this book to help a failed candidate of just a several years ago?
What`s the expectation?

JOHN FUGELSANG, POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, let`s just start off by
saying how great it is to see Romney and Ryan back together again, huh?
Two guys opposed to gay marriage and always look like they`re announcing
one. This is going to be Paul`s manifesto as to why he should be
President.

This guy is going down to visit Florida five times on his book tour.
Believe me, it`s not to raise money for Marco Rubio`s campaign. He`s
clearly running and it`s going to be great to see him join the heavy hitter
clown car of 2016. It`s a pretty good sign Governor Romney is not going to
run which I and hoping (ph) for.

This is going to be Paul Ryan laying out how he was the guy who`s supported
TARP, supported No Child Left Behind, supported Bush`s stimulus in 2008 and
2009, supported the Iraq war but is against the big government spending.
And it`s going to be more or less him trying to make people believe that
you can support Ayn Rand and Jesus at the same time when in reality, that`s
like being a Jedi rooting for the Sith. I think he will...

SCHULTZ: So you`re...

FUGELSANG: ... he`s actually a pretty good candidate, but I think he might
be the de facto winner after the other clowns annihilate each other.

SCHULTZ: Rather delusional that if this book parallels the last campaign
that they have, where`s the new material? Where`s the new ideas, he calls
it a way forward? We tried that with him, it didn`t go with the American
people. Mike, what`s different? I mean, for instance in Florida, how is
he going to rehabilitate his position with senior citizens in that state?
Which is the only mega swing state out there, Mike?

MIKE PAPANTONIO, RING OF FIRE RADIO: He had fewer than 200 people at his
book signing right down the street from here today in Pensacola. But I
have to tell you, the biggest advantage that Paul Ryan has going for the
Republicans is that he doesn`t immediately project the image of the
crotchety crazy uncle, angry old man who`s become the Republican brand...

FUGELSANG: Exactly.

PAPANTONIO: ... of leadership. He, at least on the surface is not
politically dead or dying like Mitch McConnell or John McCain quality kind
of candidates. He`s been able -- at least, is to avoid the Ted Cruz, crazy
eyes, creepiness of Marco Rubio or Sarah Palin. He at least as of today is
not regarded as the Chris Christie, Rick Perry suspect, criminal, caliber,
chief hustler at this point anyway...

SCHULTZ: Well, I give him credit he`s not under investigation. You got to
give him credit for that.

PAPANTONIO: We do. Yes. No one at this point is talking possible prison
terms like -- if you think about it...

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

PAPANTONIO: Governor McDonnell was going to be the GOP golden boy. He`s
even out of it. So there`s -- and add to this Ed, he doesn`t have a
brother who left the White House in the condition that look like a drunken
frat (ph), food fight that had just taken place. So, there`s a lot of
passes going on for this guy right now.

FUGELSANG: Pap is right...

SCHULTZ: Can we believe Mitt Romney, John Fugelsang that Mitt Romney is
not going to run again?

FUGELSANG: I think given the kissy fist he`s been having with Paul Ryan, I
think we can and I do agree with what Pap says, you know, Paul Ryan is a
very likable man with some very unlikable policies. And the more people
hear of these policies, the more they don`t like Paul Ryan. Let`s not
forget that debate with Joe Biden which looks like Clarence Darrow
schooling Draco Malfoy from the Harry Potter books.

I mean the big new changes there, he had his old budget but we have the new
Paul Ryan budget which is sort of like an erotic fiction for the Koch
brothers. It still has draconian cuts to Medicare, to SNAP benefits,
anything that hurts struggling Americans. He`s in favor of it and that`s
why Paul Ryan is really a hero to hardworking, non-millionaire
conservatives who think millionaires have had it rough for a very long
time.

SCHULTZ: OK. He looks like a conservative, he talks like a conservative,
and he has no new ideas. He`s probably, and he`s a clean gene. I mean,
you can`t find anything in this guy`s past. He hasn`t indicted...

FUGELSANG: Exactly.

SCHULTZ: ... he`s never been arrested. He`s not under any investigation.

FUGELSANG: He could be the dark horse.

SCHULTZ: Could Mitt Romney -- Yeah, put Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan
together. Who`s best for the party, but also, what about the Tea Party mix
here, Pap?

PAPANTONI: Well, I think its Paul Ryan. Mitt Romney had his two shoots.
I think he`s yesterday`s news. The big corporate types, the Kochs and
Adelson money, they have to love Ryan because he`s truly an intellectual
blank slate.

He never ever strays away from what the party tells him to do. Big
corporate money will get no resistance, he`s perfect for them. It`s a win-
win for Ryan and the Republicans. Unquestioned blind loyalty goes a long
way with Republican leadership and Ryan is always delivering (ph). Think
about this, Ed and think about his votes. Voted no to monitor corruption
and the use of TARP funds, he said it wasn`t good to monitor corruption.
Voted no on...

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

PAPANTONIO: ... each in every stimulus package devoted towards jobs...

SCHULTZ: Yup.

PAPANTONIO: ... and infrastructures. Voted no on enforcing limits on CO2
pollution, no on ending billionaire subsidies for the oil drillers, no on
paid paternal leave for federal employees, yes on CAFTA...

SCHULTZ: Yup.

PAPANTONIO: ... and virtually every job-killing free trade agreement ever
put in front of him. He is a perfect Republican. They love this guy and
he will catch on. I think he`s going to be front runner to tell you the
truth.

FUGELSANG: It`s very true. I mean his policies...

SCHULTZ: All right interesting.

FUGELSANG: ... will help the economy but only in the Caymans.

SCHULTZ: Only in the...

(AUDIO GAP)

SCHULTZ: ... that`s an offshore money. All right, John, what does a --
endorsement from Mitt Romney do, if anything for anybody?

FUGELSANG: You know, it will probably help, like Pap says, the Sheldon
Adelsons and the Kochs who, you know, donated all their money to Romney
last time, although let`s not forget Mitt Romney did a good job of
redistributing their wealth. And, it will really make a lot of
conservative fell that they`re betting on safe horse. Again, looking at
this field for 2016, is sort of like a reality show who wants to get beaten
up by a girl.

And Mrs. Clinton is clearly the front runner against all of these men that
will be taking her on. And you`ll see, Fox has already begun to make Mrs.
Clinton`s age an issue on this campaign, but I think she maybe 69 when she
runs but she`ll be running against 89-year-old Herbert Huber Ideas which is
exactly the kind of economic...

SCHULTZ: Well, what`s a good...

FUGELSANG: ... Paul Ryan is selling.

SCHULTZ: Yes, what they`re going to do is the right-wing is going to buy
up his book, put him on the New York Time`s bestseller list and them make
everybody think that he really has something to say, when it`s just
regurgitated old stuff from the last campaign. John Fugelsang, Mike
Papantonio, great to have you with us tonight. Thanks so much.

Still ahead, a look back at the past 14 days in Ferguson, Missouri, and put
it all into context for you right here. You`re watching the Ed Show on
MSNBC. We are right back. Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCHULTZ: And in Pretenders tonight, literally vile. Keith Ablow, the Fox
News doctor has literally no idea what he`s talking about. Ablow trashed
the Attorney General Eric Holder for supporting Ferguson residents?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HOLDER: The national outcry we have seen speaks to a sense of mistrust and
mutual suspicion that can take hold in the relationship between law
enforcement and certain communities. I wanted the people of Ferguson to
know that I personally understood that mistrust. I wanted them to know
that while so much else maybe uncertain, this attorney general and this
Department of Justice stands with the people of Ferguson.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Keith Ablow, literally doesn`t make sense.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KEITH ABLOW, FOX NEWS PSYCHIATRIST: Think of the difference between Robert
Kennedy going after Martin Luther King`s assassination and saying that he
too had lost someone in his family. And then he understands the pain of
the other race. And here is Eric Holder, reprehensible, a dismissible
human, in terms of his jobs description. He can`t do his job. Who
literally goes there and says, no we are separate and you can`t trust the
Caucasians, unbelievable.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Eric Holder, literally never said those words and neither did
Robert Kennedy. Kennedy never claimed to understand the pain of the other
race. Robert Kennedy said he felt lost in his heart and tried to use it to
reach understanding. Eric Holder wants the same thing for Ferguson.

(AUDIO GAP)

... Keith Ablow.

(AUDIO GAP)

... what literally means, but if he believes ignorance gives him license to
make up the definition, he can literally keep on pretending.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCHULTZ: And finally tonight, over the last 14 days, what has unfolded in
Ferguson Missouri has captured the attention of the country. After a white
police officer shot and killed Michael Brown, an unarmed 18-year-old
African-American man. We have seen some of the worst civil unrest in this
country in years. Tonight, we take a look back on how we got here.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

THOMAS JACKSON, FERGUSON POLICE CHIEF: A Ferguson police officer had an
encounter with two individuals on the street. There was a shooting that
occurred where the officer in fact shot the subject, they were fatal
injuries.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re going to have this moment because the police
don`t believe that as black people, that we can do it together.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... officers have not budged.

JACKSON: The FBI notified me they will be opening up an investigation that
were unparalleled...

(AUDIO GAP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... broad daylight.

MICHAEL BROWN SR., MICHAEL BROWN`S FATHER: We need justice for our son.

LESLEY MCSPADDEN, MICHAEL BROWN`S MOTHER: He`s my firstborn son.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don`t shoot.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do we want?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don`t shoot.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s a lot of conflicting stories because the police
here won`t tell you nothing.

JACKSON: Death threats started coming in right away.

REV. AL SHARPTON, AMERICAN BAPTIST MINISTER: No one has the right to take
their child`s name and drag it through the mud.

DORIAN JOHNSON, EYE WITNESS: An officer approaching us. He didn`t freeze,
halt.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is the (inaudible) County police department.
Disperse now.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is your job, to protect and to serve.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is the police department. You must leave the
area.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stop video taping, let`s grab stuff and go.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A today that begun with promise of peace ends with
another showdown on the streets.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The officers got on the blow horn. They say this is no
longer a peaceful assembly.

OBAMA: I express my concern over the violent turn -- the events have
taken...

JOHNSON: Break this cycle of violence, defuse the tension and build trust.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are showing solidarity. There should be no tanks on
U.S. streets, that`s absurd.

JACKSON: The officer that was involved in the shooting of.

(AUDIO GAP)

. Wilson.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: New facts are out...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The allegation say that he stole some kind of tobacco
product.

JOHNSON: I`ve not seen the video so it will be hard for me to comment on
that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Then why would you release the video of the robbery?
What`s the explanation for the timing of it?

JACKSON: Because you asked for it.

NIXON: This is not to silence the people of Ferguson or this region.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Know your laws. We have the right to assemble
peacefully.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Many black men die everyday in this country.

OBAMA: The attorney general himself will be traveling to Ferguson on
Wednesday.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We need to keep the focus on Michael Brown Junior.

JOHNSON: Today, my hope is that peaceful protesters will stay home.

MCSPADDEN: The violence needs to stop.

JOHNSON: Tonight, we saw a different dynamic.

(AUDIO GAP)

MCCULLOCH: ... or honestly I believe I shouldn`t say that they don`t think
I`m best suited for this case.

JOHNSON: Each night I`ve seen a turning point.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: And the funeral for Michael Brown will be on Monday. And that is
the Ed Show for this Friday.

I`m Ed Schultz. PoliticsNation with Reverent Al Sharpton next.

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