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August 29, 2014

Guest: Courtney Allen Curtis; Reginald Greene, Joe Madison, Ryan Grim,
Kametra Barbour, Ray Jackson, Freddie Haynes

REV. AL SHARPTON, MSNBC ANCHOR: And thanks for tuning in. I`m live
tonight in Orlando, Florida.

Tonight`s lead, a civil rights lawsuit in Ferguson, Missouri. Five
Missouri residents have filed a $40 million lawsuit alleging police
violated their civil rights in the weeks of protest after the shooting of
Michael Brown. The lawsuit says the five experienced quote "unnecessary
and unwarranted force," arrests that were not based upon probable cause,
and other violations of their constitutional rights.

The Associated Press says officials for the Ferguson and St. Louis county
declined to comment. In a press conference yesterday, the plaintiffs
detailed some of what they had gone through.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: One of the officers threw me to the ground.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was shocked probably seven times with my hands up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They slammed me on my face like a technique move from
the WWE. They are mopping my face on the concrete. My blood is


SHARPTON: These are serious allegations, but considering what else we saw
in Ferguson we may not be surprised. Two weeks ago, police confronted
journalists working in a McDonald`s. One of them caught part of the
exchange on video.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get your stuff. Let`s go.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m working on stop videotaping. Grab the stuff and

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have the right to videotape. Please don`t handle me.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You see me working. Please do not tell me --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Time to go. Let`s go.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We we`re down to 45 seconds. Let`s go.


SHARPTON: Police then arrested that journalist for no reason and let him
go without any charges. They also launched teargas at a television crew
though reporters said they identified themselves as press. And the streets
of Ferguson locked more like a war zone than an American city.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They are now firing on the crowd.


SHARPTON: There is no way this kind of behavior was appropriate. But
tonight, two local officers are off the street for what they did during
these protests. An officer from the Glendale police department was fired
after posting on facebook that protesters quote "should have been put down
like a rabid dog."

And an officer from St. Anne resigned after video surfaced of him pointing
an assault rifle at protesters and cursing at them.

There is no excuse for that kind of wrongdoing. But we still have a long
way to go to rebuild trust between the residents of Ferguson and the police
who are supposed to serve and protect them.

Joining me now are Reginald Greene, one of the attorneys who filed the
lawsuit and Missouri state representative Courtney Allen Curtis whose
district includes most of Ferguson. Thank you both for being here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you for having us.

SHARPTON: Attorney Greene, what message do your clients want to send with
this lawsuit?

REGINALD GREENE, ATTORNEY: First of all, thank you for having me on your
show. I have been watching you for many years. And I applaud you for the
things you do and continue to do on the front line for justice in America,
particularly for African-Americans. So, I want to thank you for having me
on your show.

SHARPTON: Thank you.

GREENE: You`re welcome. With respect to the question, Reverend Al
Sharpton, we are not necessarily trying to send a message per se. We have
filed a lawsuit in federal court. Our role is to vindicate the rights of
our clients whose rights we believe were violated.

SHARPTON: Well said. And so, this is not a message. This is about really
trying to seek justice for the violations they felt that they experienced
during the protest around Michael Brown`s death.

GREENE: Yes, sir. I am with Malik Shabazz, Black Lawyers for Justice and
Greg Latimer who is the other attorney that works with us on this file.
And Mr. Latimer has many, many years of experience with these cases. Malik
Shabazz has been on the front line as a civil rights lawyer and lead for
years. And I have 20 years of experience myself.

Our goal is to put that experience and expertise to bear so we can do
things like shed light on the situation, take action, and pursue justice.
And what we are doing is, in fact, in a court of law, pursuing justice.
Many people are speaking about no justice, no peace. Many people are
speaking about how the injustices and the atrocities that occurred. But we
have decided to take it one step further and take action, identify victims
and assist them in vindicating their rights.

SHARPTON: In the federal courts.

Let me ask you, Representative Curtis. I mentioned the two Ferguson area
officers are now out of their departments. What`s your reaction?

STATE REP. COURTNEY ALLEN CURTIS: I think it`s only right that they are
gone. What this incident has shown is some of the individuals have an
inability to deal with frustrations or they may have biases that come out
of situations like these. So it`s really shown that we are not prepared
for situations like these in the county.

SHARPTON: Now, I want to give people a sense of what this lawsuit is
about. One of the plaintiffs is a mother who was at a McDonald`s in
Ferguson after a rally organized by her church group. She says she saw
officers confront her son who a minor and quote, I`m quoting "when
plaintiff white continues to express her concerns about the way her son was
being mistreated, she was advised that she was being arrested because she
would not shut up." She was thrown to the ground and handcuffed. Her son
was also arrested for no reason at all. I mean, arrested for not shutting
up? How can this happen, Attorney Greene?

GREENE: Reverend Al, we understand that`s exactly what occurred. We
believe in any circumstance this conduct on the part of police officers is
unacceptable. In particular, in this particular case or that particular
woman, she was in a situation where her rights were violated beyond belief.

All right, of the plaintiff that we represent are have claims that
regardless of the circumstances under which the Michel Brown incident that,
you know, precipitated this, these are claims that could be brought under
the 4th amendment in any instance. So at no time should police officers
suspend the rights of citizens in this manner.

SHARPTON: Now, let me go back to you again, Representative Curtis. We
have learned that today, in fact, that the justice department head of
community oriented policing services is returning to the St. Louis area
where they work to address strained relations between law enforcement and
the community. That`s a quote. In your opinion, how necessary is that?

CURTIS: It`s very necessary. From that last couple of weeks, what we have
seen is that when you arm police officers for some of the things that the
federal government has given them if they are not properly trained to deal
with the frustrations that come with it, you know, that just in terms of
controlling the situation but dealing with the mental situations, we are
only have heightened the awareness or the frustrations between the
community and the police and going forward. That`s not a good thing. So
it is very important they come here and do the job they are meant to do and
ensure we get back to a place of balance and respect within the community.

SHARPTON: Let me ask you something else, Representative Curtis, that I
asked another elected official from Missouri. This week the police chief
for St. Louis county defended the military gear officers used. I want your
reaction to this. Let me play you exactly what he said himself.


CHIEF JON BELMAR, ST. LOUIS COUNTY POLICE: A lot of that equipment is, in
my opinion and other chiefs across the country, necessary we patrol very
urban areas and we do it because we have a responsibility to mitigate
serious crimes and serious terrorist events.


SHARPTON: Now, he says they need the equipment for patrolling quote "very
urban areas." What`s reaction to that?

CURTIS: It is unfortunate. I was actually with the chief earlier today
and he`s really a nice guy. That reaction, I don`t know that it was the
right one. That may have to do with his perception of the community. And
it only uncovers the biases that, you know, potentially exist within the
police force within places such as education, even with prosecutor
McCulloch. I mean, these are just people starts. And we can`t change it
overnight. But we definitely have to do more going forward to change that
but this is what exists in the police force.

SHARPTON: Attorney Greene, let me ask you. Do you think others are going
to come forward now that the lawsuit has been filed, will others come and
also join the suit or initiate civil rights lawsuits in federal court?

GREENE: Well, Reverend Al, at this point in time, we have had numerous
calls and contacts from potential clients. We are in the process of doing
investigations, Malik Shabazz and I were in St. Louis yesterday. He`s
still there. We have an intake process where we are evaluating on a case-
by-case basis. And we believe the plaintiffs in this case might be --
probably will be additional plaintiffs because there are other people
within the same time frame. Again, law abiding citizens whose rights were
violated by police.

And make no mistake, the people that were breaking the law, that were
looting, arsonists, and thing at that sort, we think they need to be
accountable. But that`s the job of the prosecutor. That`s not our job as
a private attorney. Our jobs as private attorneys are to identify clients
and have claims and help them vindicate their rights. That`s what we`re

We`re going to follow the lawsuit and follow this story. Thank you both
Attorney Greene and State Representative Courtney Allen Curtis for your
time tonight.

GREENE: Thank you for having us.

CURTIS: Thank you.

SHARPTON: Coming up, a mom`s terrifying ordeal. Mistakenly pulled over by
police at gunpoint and handcuffed, all in front of her terrified kids.




UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No one`s going to jail.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stop crying. It`s OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everything`s fine now.


SHARPTON: We`ll talk to the mother live about what she wants to hear from

And FOX News has a new conspiracy theory about President Obama. Is he
really trying to bait Republicans into shutting down the government?

Also, we`ll explain what falling dominoes has to do with Republican
governors and Obamacare?

All that, plus we are celebrating three years of "Politics Nation" with
some of our favorite moments from the show. Stay with us.


SHARPTON: I`d like to welcome a very special guest to "Politics Nation."
welcome, Rev.

SHARPTON: Hello, Al. Thanks for having me on my show. Glad I could join


SHARPTON: Tonight, another one bites the dust. A new Republican governor
caves and expands Medicaid under Obamacare. And more to come, that`s next.


SHARPTON: During the cold war, there was a so-called Domino theory, about
countries falling to communism. Well, tonight, I bring you the "Politics
Nation" Domino theory of Republican governors expanding Medicare and
expanding it over under Obamacare.

Let`s start from the finger-governor from Arizona, Jan Brewer who sued the
Obama administration or ACA. But she changed the tuned and expanded
Medicare in Arizona, a domino had fallen.

Iowa`s Terry Branstad was had his today about expanding Medicaid.


GOV. TERRY BRANSTAD, IOWA: We heard a lot about the problems with the
Medicaid program. I don`t believe the federal government can afford it. I
know my state can`t afford it.


SHARPTON: But last year Governor Branstad did expand Medicaid., another
domino. New Jersey`s Chris Christie, also had strong words to say against
the program.


GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE (R), NEW JERSEY: Because Obamacare on Medicaid is
extortion. It was a bunch of nice words in the bill, but it was extortion.


SHARPTON: But the domino effect hit the Garden State, too. Chris Christie
expanded Medicaid and Pennsylvania Governor Tom Corbett voiced his
opposition as well.


GOV. TOM CORBETT, PENNSYLVANIA: I believe we have significant reforms. As
we look at it, expanse is not sustainable in Pennsylvania.


SHARPTON: But Pennsylvania is the latest domino to fall. Governor Corbett
just struck a deal with the Obama administration to expand Medicaid in his
state as well. Nearly 500,000 low income residents will be covered. So
why did Corbett change his mind? Well, he`s down 25 points in his
reelection campaign. So maybe he`s expanding Medicaid out of the goodness
of his heart or maybe he thinks it`s just good politics.

Either way, it`s good for Pennsylvania. All together, nine states with
Republican governors have booked their party by expanding Medicaid. The
dominoes are falling and it`s good for America. We can only hope more and
more Republicans see the light.

Joining me now is the "Washington Post`s" E.J. Dionne. Thank you for being

anniversary, Reverend.

SHARPTON: Thank you, sir. You know, didn`t a lot of people predict the
GOP governors would eventually cave and expand Medicaid?

DIONNE: Well, you know, I think that the logic is so overwhelming that
it`s not only wrong not to expand it, it`s a real mistake from the point of
view of your state. Even if you don`t want to help poor people get health
care, which you ought to want to do. This brings in enormous federal money
to your state. It`s good for your hospitals. Where you don`t expand it as
in North Carolina, whole new lot of local hospitals are in real trouble.

I think you are seeing the changing politics of this. You alluded to it
when you pointed out that Governor Corbett is running way behind democrat
Tom Wolf. And he realizes this is more of a political plus than a minus.
The other thing is what you are losing with all those state not doing it.

Take the two states where they really cut their uninsured the most --
Arkansas and Kentucky. Democratic governors who really wanted to do this,
put their shoulder to the wheel. Arkansas cut its uninsured from 22.5 to
12.5 percent. Kentucky cut it from 20.5 to about 12 percent.

So imagine what we could do in the country to reduce the number of
uninsured if the rest of the recalcitrant governors would listen to the
other dominoes. It`s going to happen eventually.

SHARPTON: You know, E.J., it struck me you had a column this week about
the growing support for the health care law. You wrote and I`m quoting
you, "the most significant bit of election news last week was the decision
of Senator Mark Pryor to run an ad touting his vote for the health care law
as a positive for the people of his increasingly Republican state. I want
to play the ad for folks at home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When Mark was diagnosed with cancer we thought we might
lose him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My family and my faith helped me through the rough

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But you know what? Mark`s insurance company didn`t
want to pay for the treatment that ultimately saved his life.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No one should be fighting an insurance company while
you`re fighting for your life.


SHARPTON: I want to though why you think this ad is so significant, E.J.

DIONNE: First of all, it`s a really good ad because David Pryor`s dad is a
popular guy and the line "no one should be fighting an insurance company
when fighting for his life" resonates with everybody. What`s significant
is all sorts of people said none of the Democrats running in tough races in
Republican states would touch Obamacare. Three, four, five months ago
everybody said this is a killer negative issue for Democrats. He doesn`t
say the words Obamacare because President Obama has relatively low approval
ratings in Arkansas.

But he touts the law because when you poll the law, ask people what they
think of the provisions like the ones he mentions they say, wait a minute.
That`s a good law. And I also think Democrats are slowly coming around to
the view that they are going to be stuck with the attacks on Obamacare
anyway. And they might as well tell people, wait a minute. Here is the
law I voted for, not some parody the other side created if for you, but a
law that actually helps people. And so, I think You may see more of this
more of this as the election gets closer.

SHARPTON: Now, you know, this week Scott Brown gave a radio interview
saying we need to repeal the health care law. But then he said this.


better and they can certainly cover preexisting conditions, covering your
kids to x age, whatever you want. The catastrophic care, covering those
who need additional coverages.


SHARPTON: Preexisting, kids on parents` insurance, catastrophic care.
Doesn`t that sound a lot like the affordable care act, E.J.?

DIONNE: What Scott brown is saying is I love Obamacare as long as you call
it romneycare. And I think he`s also trying to have it both ways. He
wants to promise people every benefit that is in Obamacare and then say,
but this can be done at the state level. It`s an evasion. But what it
shows again is that the core provisions of the bill are things people want.
And that`s why the Republicans keep saying that they are going to come up
with an alternative to Obamacare, but they haven`t come up with it.
Because when you try to do what the Republicans say they want to do, have a
market-oriented plan that expands health coverage, prevents people from
losing insurance when they are in trouble and other things Obamacare does.

The only plan they can come up with ends up looking like Obamacare. So
Scott Brown wants to sound anti-Obamacare to the right and pro Obamacare to
everybody else.

SHARPTON: E.J. Dionne, Thank you so much for your time tonight. Have a
great weekend.

DIONNE: And you too, Reverend. Thank you.

SHARPTON: Still ahead, our interview with the mom from this video
mistakenly handcuffed at gunpoint in front of her kids.

Also, Mitch McConnell`s jaw-dropping statement about could be the next
government shutdown.


SHARPTON: We know Republicans in Congress love their plans for a lawsuit
against President Obama. But now we also know there is a suit they don`t
like. This one. That`s right. The president`s tan suit is now a
Republican target.

We told you yesterday owe how the suit became a hot topic on the web.
Well, now, believe it or not, Republican Congressman Peter King is using
the suit to criticize the president.


REP. PETER KING, NEW YORK: There is no way any of us can excuse what the
president did yesterday. I mean when you have the world watching, when you
have a week, two weeks of anticipation of what the United States is going
to do. Then for him to walk out -- I`m not trying to be trivial, but in a
light suit, light tan suit, saying first he wants to talk about what most
Americans care about, and he says that`s the revision of the second quarter
numbers on the economy.


SHARPTON: He`s not trying to be trivial? Well, he`s doing a good job of
it without trying. And then there`s this. A photo soon popped up on
twitter showing Congressman King in a tan suit of his own. The hypocrisy
is right there in black and white or is it beige? Nice try, Congressman
King, but we "Got You."



PRES. BARACK OBAMA (D), UNITED STATES: I have been very clear about the
fact that our immigration system is broken and needs to be fixed. And my
preference continues to be that Congress act. But have no doubt in the
absence of Congressional action, I`m going to do what I can to make sure
the system works better.


talking about his potential executive action on immigration reform. Over
at FOX they think the president is asking for a shutdown.


UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Immigration. There is a lot of threats that the
president is going to use executive action. And he did it again today.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: I think those threat wills come true. He will use
executive action on immigration. We don`t know exactly how.

BRET BAIER, FOX NEWS HOST: -- Fair to call this shutdown bait?


SHARPTON: Shutdown bait? They`ve got to be kidding. But some republicans
are doing their best to make it look like a shutdown is the last thing they


UNIDENTIFIED MAN: I`m the guy that gets us out of shutdowns. Remember me?
I`m the guy that gets us out of shutdowns.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: You absolutely will not allow the government to shut
down. Either in the near future or if you become --

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Of course not, I`m the guy that`s gotten us out of the
shutdown to some of our members had pushed us into in the past. That`s a
play -- policy. It does not mean that you should send the president a
total blank check with no restrictions at all on how the money is spent.


SHARPTON: He`s the guy who gets us out of shutdowns? Last September
McConnell tried to force a Senate vote on the house budget defunding
ObamaCare. His vote helped lead to a shutdown. Republicans have tried to
stop the president with threats of impeachment, of a lawsuit, and of a
shutdown. But the American people think it`s time for these kinds of
political games to be shut down.

Joining me now are Ryan Grimm and Joe Madison. Thank you for being here
this evening.


JOE MADISON, SIRIUS XM RADIO HOST: Thank you, Reverend Sharpton.

SHARPTON: Joe, what do you make of all these talk about a shutdown?

MADISON: Well, I think if you listen to McConnell closely, he already said
the party that was responsible. He said our party, members of our party
were the ones that used this as a political strategy. The people at FOX
must be delusional. I mean, this is the okee-doke. Everyone knows that
the republicans use this as a strategy. And they also know -- and the
American people need to know this. And I have interviewed members of
Congress on both sides of the aisle who know that there is a comprehensive
immigration bill right now. They say that if, in fact, it is brought to
the floor and, of course, the Tea Party doesn`t want to bring it to the
floor. It would probably pass with some republican support.

SHARPTON: Now Brian, you know, republicans are threatening the shutdown if
the president moves on immigration. But let`s look at what Americans
think. Seventy six percent of Americans support a path to immigration.
Only 20 percent supported the 2013 government shutdown. So it seems like
the GOP`s got their problems in the wrong -- in their own party and
certainly with the American people and they have their priorities in the
wrong place. Doesn`t it seem that way, Ryan?

GRIM: Yes. Polls show that the American people don`t support a government
shutdown, even over a policy they would disagree with. In other words,
they don`t want the government shutting down to be used as leverage over
politics. They would rather that they not get their way on some small
piece of policy or even a large piece of policy than use the government as
kind of a football to kick back and forth. On the other hand, to shut down
the government over something that Americans overwhelmingly agree with,
which is immigration reform, is double political suicide.

SHARPTON: You know, Joe, republicans continue to hit the president on his
use of executive orders. Listen to what Senator Rand Paul had to say just
this week.


SEN. RAND PAUL (R), KENTUCKY: Not only is it an abuse of power. I think
it almost leads us to a constitutional crisis of sorts. It`s one thing
after another. He`s done this with global warming. He`s also done it with
immigration. He`s also done this with the war in Libya. The president
can`t just do what he wants. He`s not a king. He has to really get
approval from Congress.


SHARPTON: There he goes. He`s back to the calling the president a king.
I mean, can you believe this, Joe?

MADISON: Yes, I can believe it. And I can also believe and the American
people should study their history and Rand Paul knows this as well as
anyone else. President Obama has used the executive orders probably less
than any president, sitting president in our modern time. And they know
this. So if he has done something unconstitutional, so has Roosevelt, so
has Clinton, Bush, Reagan.

The list goes on and on. And as it relates to shutdown, let me go back
there for a moment. I would challenge the members of Congress, if you want
a shutdown of government, go ahead and shut it down. But then there should
not be a single paycheck written to a single member of Congress. They
should shut their offices, lay off their staff people. Should be no travel
budget. So they should not be operating, if the government is shut down.

SHARPTON: You know, Ryan, we have heard republicans beating the drum also
for impeachment. Listen to what republican Ted Yoho said recently.


REP. TED YOHO (R), FLORIDA: If an impeachment comes up it`s not because
Congress wants to do that. It`s because the president has chosen to bring
that upon himself by not enforcing the laws on the books.


SHARPTON: The president has brought impeachment upon himself?

GRIM: Right.

SHARPTON: I mean, is he serious?

GRIM: Right. I mean, not only is it bad politics, but it`s bad law, too.
The president has a limited amount of resources with which to execute the
laws that are on the books. And when it comes to immigration, there are
clearly far more people here who are undocumented than the president could
conceivably deport. We are talking 11 million or 12 million people. So,
it`s just not possible for him to go forward. Now, he went to Congress and
he said there is a crisis on the border. Everyone acknowledges there is a
crisis on the border. We need more funding for it.

Everyone acknowledged that. Instead the republicans said, no, you deal
with it on your own. So, what he said at the press conference the other
day is the only way that the administration can deal with it on his own is
to shift some resources around. That is well within his legal powers. So,
he`s going to de-emphasize deporting people who haven`t done anything wrong
here in the United States. And instead, he`s going to focus on things that
are higher priority. It`s well within the power of any president that we
have ever had. It`s only a problem now with President Obama.

SHARPTON: Now, but what`s baffling to me -- and we`re out of time, but
what`s baffling Joe in a midterm election year you`re talking about
lawsuits, shutdowns.

MADISON: Impeachment.

SHARPTON: Impeachment.


SHARPTON: Is that the republican`s agenda?

MADISON: That`s exactly their agenda. And that`s the only thing on their
agenda to be quite honest. And that should be the reason that we should
take this midterm election just as if it were a presidential election.
Register and get out to vote.

SHARPTON: Ryan Grim and Joe Madison, thank you both for your time tonight.

GRIM: Thank you.

MADISON: Thank you, Reverend.

SHARPTON: Straight ahead, I will talk to the mom of four who was pulled
over, handcuffed, and held at gunpoint as her children watched because
police stopped the wrong car.


BARBOUR: What is wrong? My kids! They are 6 and 8 and 10, 9. What are
you doing?



SHARPTON: After the fatal shooting of Michael Brown, some called it an
isolated incident. That`s why this week we have been spotlighting the
tensions that break out far too often between police and the communities
they are sworn to protect. On Wednesday we talked about 22-year-old John
Crawford, III. He was holding a toy gun in an Ohio Wal-Mart when he was
shot and killed by police. On Thursday we talked to the mother of Gregory
Towns, Jr., who died after Georgia police tased him, allegedly more than a
dozen times when he wouldn`t get up.

Tonight we turn to Forney, Texas, where this month police pulled over a
mother of four, handcuffed her and held her at gunpoint after they mistook
her car for a criminals. Now they were looking for a tan Toyota occupied
by four black males allegedly waving a gun. Instead they got Kametra
Barbour in a burgundy Nissan driving with her children.


UNIDENTIFIED OFFICER: Walk backwards. Keep your hands up in the air.
Walk backwards. Keep walking back. Stop.

UNIDENTIFIED OFFICER: Come on back. Come on back. Keep walking


UNIDENTIFIED OFFICER: Keep walking backwards. Put your hands behind your

BARBOUR: Yes, sir. What is wrong? My kids!


BARBOUR: They`re six and eight and ten, nine. What are we doing?

UNIDENTIFIED OFFICER: Hold on a second, okay?

BARBOUR: What is going on? Oh, my God. You`re terrifying my children.


SHARPTON: And you can hear the panic in Miss Barbour`s voice when her six-
year-old son gets out.


BARBOUR: Oh, my God! You`re going to terrify my children. Please. We
don`t have a gun! Please don`t -- OK. Oh, my God! You`re going to
terrify my children.


SHARPTON: Those kids in the car were terrified. And you can hear it in
their voices as they talked to the police officers.

UNIDENTIFIED OFFICER: Are you OK? Just you all in the car?



UNIDENTIFIED CHILD: No, are we going to jail?

UNIDENTIFIED OFFICER: No, no one is going to jail.

Hey, stop crying. It`s OK. Everything is fine now.


SHARPTON: After the incident, police apologized to Mrs. Barbour and her
family. But they also said they were following policy. Quote, "Given that
the 911 caller reported weapons, a felony traffic stop is the standard

Joining me now is that mother of four, Kametra Barbour with her Attorney
Ray Jackson and her pastor, the Reverend Freddie Haynes. Mrs. Barbour, how
are and how are your children doing?

BARBOUR: Hello. How are you? I`m doing OK. And the children are --
we`re coping.

SHARPTON: Now, here`s what local police said when they were asked about
the stop and whether it was proper. Listen to this.


UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Were they treated properly? Was it a proper stop that
they needed to be subjected to that kind of --

UNIDENTIFIED OFFICER: For the nature of the call that a weapon was
involved, yes.


SHARPTON: Attorney Jackson, what`s your reaction to that?

They are trying to cover their own selves. There is no way that they acted
properly in the fact that they saw a burgundy Nissan and they somehow
mistaking that for a tan or brown Toyota. So while they may have been
correct if they get a call regarding somebody with a gun they should act in
a certain way, there is no way they should have stopped a car that did not
meet the description. Nor did the occupants meet the description. So, I
disagree with what he said. He`s trying to cover the department.

SHARPTON: Miss Barbour, what was going through your head when they stopped
the car and began at gun point and proceeding to handcuff you and the
reaction of your children obviously. I mean, what were you thinking about?
What was going through your head through this whole scene?

BARBOUR: Initially I was trying to figure out why they stopped us? I told
the children. I said the police officers are following right behind us,
but that`s OK. We don`t have anything. We`re OK. We`ve coming from Wal-
Mart. They are just going to do a routine stop, maybe ask for my driver`s
license and insurance card. But unfortunately when they stopped us, that
totally did not happen. They asked me to get out of the car because I did
not have this procedure done before I really did not understand what he was
saying initially.

So, once I took the time to just take a deep breath and I opened the door
like he instructed me to do so. I mean, walk further and further away from
my children, the only thing that I could think of was, you know, my God,
what are we doing? What`s going on? I don`t understand, you know, what`s
going on. But I have to follow the instructions of the officers because I
cannot have the thought of my children seeing me being gunned down in front
of them. So, that was the thought in my head at that time. And I said I`m
just going to walk back and do --

SHARPTON: You had the actually thought it could get out of hand. How did
you explain it to your children afterwards?

BARBOUR: You know, I`m still explaining. So, that`s a good question. I
explained to them that this happened, unfortunately. And when you`re in a
situation as of this, you just have to make sure that you pay attention,
and make sure that you take your time and you listen and stay calm so it
will not escalate to something different. But it was very hard. Because I
have my children in this car and you are making me walk away from them.
And I can hear them screaming and I can hear just the fear in their voices.
Even though I was afraid, I had to be strong for my children.

SHARPTON: What have they said to you about it since it happened -- your
children, that is?

BARBOUR: They`re still terrified. I took them to school this morning.
And Lauren said that she had to duck because there was a police officer in
front of us. So, she said, Ryan, duck. And I said, no, baby, you don`t
have to duck. We haven`t done anything wrong. I don`t want you to be
terrified. And that`s unfortunate. Because you know, my husband works in
the same line of duty or similar too. So, I don`t want them to be afraid
of police officers. And it terrified me that --

SHARPTON: Go ahead. Go ahead. I`m sorry Miss Barbour.

BARBOUR: It`s frightening for me. You know, I want to hurry up and get
home before it`s dark at night. And that`s ridiculous. I shouldn`t have
to feel that way. My children are not wanting to stay out late because
they are afraid that we will get stopped again by the police. That`s
something you cannot just say, I apologize. You can`t just say I`m sorry
and then it`s OK. It`s not OK. We are mentally and physically going
through a process that it`s going to take some time to get through. But
right now, we`re just coping.

SHARPTON: Reverend, you have worked all over the country on social justice
issues. We have worked together with National Action Network. You just in
Ferguson. But we always say we are not against all police. We don`t even
think it`s most police.


SHARPTON: But I don`t think people understand the conversation that a lot
of people have to have because of Miss Barbour. Here you come home.
Here`s somebody in your community, in your church and we have to explain to
children. Some a lot of Americans just don`t understand.

HAYNES: Right. One of the sad realities, Reverend Sharpton, is that when
it comes to our perspective on police officers, we don`t see protect and
serve. And stand in many instances we see harass, terrify and sadly, be
killed. And so, because we have different experiences that have changed
our perspective the sad reality is what Ms. Barbour went through and her
children is something that unfortunately too many African-Americans can
relate to. And so for the police chief to come back, and speak and say
this is standard procedure, well, you need to change procedure. You need
your entire department to go through racial sensitivity training.
Ironically, Reverend Sharpton, Forney does not have one black police
officer. Forney is also the police --


HAYNES: It is the place where George Zimmerman when he was going through
Texas, he stopped in Forney. They stopped him and they took a picture with
him or selfie with him. And so, there is a racial insensitivity that`s
reflected in the Forney Police Department.

SHARPTON: How has the community reacted to this, Reverend Haynes?

HAYNES: Well, the community is, needless to say, extremely upset. From
the members of Kametra`s sorority, they are ready to do whatever it takes.
I was at a breakfast this morning. And black attorneys were telling me
that they want to be part of whatever we have to do to change the policies
that will allow for this family to be terrified. Because, again, as you
pointed out brilliantly this week, this is not isolated. There must be
systemic, and cultural change in police departments if we are going to
preclude this from happening again and the community is sick and tired of
being sick and tired.

SHARPTON: Kametra Barbour, Attorney Ray Jackson, and Reverend Freddie
Haynes and Miss Barbour, we certainly wanted people to hear your story. A
woman whose husband works in a related field, trying to just let average
Americans understand the feelings of just innocent people that are caught
up in this.

Thank you so much for your time tonight. We`ll follow the story, Reverend
Haynes. Thank you. We`ll be right back.

HAYNES: Thank you.

JACKSON: Thank you.

BARBOUR: Thank you.


SHARPTON: Coming up, we`re celebrating a birthday. Our birthday.
POLITICS NATION turns three years old today. A look at some of our
favorite moments. That`s next.


SHARPTON: Finally tonight, a little birthday celebration for us here at
POLITICS NATION. Three years ago today, we launched the show. And it`s
been a memorable three years. We advanced a dream last year with a special
show at the Apollo. And hosted the show from the steps of the Lincoln
Memorial. I have had the honor of talking with Trayvon Martin`s parents.
And civil rights legends like John Lewis, Myrlie Evers-Williams and Joseph
Laurie. But you know, we are not always that serious. We laughed along
with the folks at SNL when they confronted us a couple of times. And of
course, we also have fun ourselves.


SHARPTON: I would like to welcome a very special guest to POLITICS NATION.
Welcome, Rev.

Hello, Al. Thanks for having me on my show. Glad I could join me.

Welcome back to the POLITICS NATION Science Lab. Folks, do not adjust your
television sets. We have taken a trip back in time. Dearly beloved, we
are gathered here today to mourn a sad loss -- the loss of another bogus
GOP talking point.

Tonight I`m coming to you live from a quiet room.

I want to introduce fake Governor Romney and fake President Obama.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: You didn`t see him trying to raise taxes left and right
like Obama.

SHARPTON: That guy is a bigger turkey than the bird on the table. That`s
coming up. Right after I finish my drink.

Hit it guys. My head is spinning.

Mine, too. I`m seeing double. The man can never agree with himself. But
we can. This is a great show, if I do say so myself.


SHARPTON: We wanted in the last three years to do what was different and
let you hear the views of me and others, whether you agree or disagree, it
is best that Americans talk and discuss and raise the issues to a level
where we can try to find common ground to make a better nation.

Thanks for watching. I`m Al Sharpton. "HARDBALL" starts right now.


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