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THE ED SHOW
August 28, 2014

Guest: Terence Moore, Richard Blumenthal, Lawrence Korb, David Cay
Johnston, Peter Morici, Gyasi Ross


ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Domestic violence is a growing problem in America.
One in four women will experience domestic violence in their lifetime. An
estimated 1.3 million women are victims of physical abuse by their partner
each year.

Almost one-third of female homicide victims are killed by their partner.
With those numbers and recent incidents in the NFL, the league is going to
take action. It happened today, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has come
under fire for the way he dealt with Ravens running back Ray Rice. Rice
and his fiance at a New Jersey casino and was caught on camera dragging her
unconscious body out of the elevator.

Rice received only a two-game suspension and that caused a great deal of
outrage. Goodell today wrote a letter to owners, admitting that he failed
on disciplining the Ravens running back.

He wrote, "My disciplinary decision led the public to questions our
sincerity, our commitment, and whether we understood the toll that domestic
violence inflicts on so many families. I take responsibility for both the
decision and for ensuring that our actions in the future properly reflect
our values. I didn`t get it right, simply put, we have to do better and we
will."

Goodell announced stern new penalties for domestic violence, offenders in
the league. A first time domestic violence or sexual assault offender will
be subject to a six-week suspension. A second offense would result in
banishment from the NFL. They`ll be thrown out of the league. Players
would be allowed to petition for reinstatement after one year but there is
no guarantee it would be issued.

At the end of Goodell`s letter, he wrote a message to all NFL personnel
saying domestic violence and sexual assault are wrong. They are illegal
and they are never acceptable and have to place in the NFL under any
circumstances. Roger Goodell is no doubt making the right choice, the
right decision in setting a good example for everyone. It is much tougher
than it was before. Things certainly are changing.

For more I`m joined tonight by Terence Moore, National Sports columnist and
professor at Miami of Ohio University. Goldie Taylor with us tonight,
MSNBC contributor and columnist of The Grio, and America`s Attorney Mike
Papantonio, Ring of Fire radio host, great to have all of you with us
tonight.

This is really a very interesting and a very important move by the NFL.
But I want to go to the incident that sparked this change. Mike you first,
if there had not been any video tape of this most recent incident that was
high profile with this running back of the Ravens, do you think that
Goodell and the NFL would have done what they did today?

MIKE PAPANTONIO, ATTORNEY: Ultimately they would have had. This is
definitely going to be known as the Ray Rice Bill because of what happened
here. But, the weakest part of what I see so far with this idea is
understanding, what kinds of due process avenues are available for the
player who`s accused of domestic violence? That bothers me just a little
bit.

If the consequences for the player only attached after a criminal plea or a
conviction, and there is due process that`s honored then this may have some
positive. If it digresses to a "he said, she said" administrative hearing,
it has potential for disaster. And we don`t know the answer to that right
now, but the NFL is a setting where highly paid players become a target for
all kinds of scams by agents, by investors, by -- interestingly enough,
exceptional cases, by females who see the possibility of what we call the
love lottery.

I prosecuted enough to know that every now and then in very rare instances,
an individual might use that as an opportunity to convert to big money.
Sometimes it ends up looking an awful lot like extortion. On the other
hand, most domestic violence claims are very real, very brutal, and the men
who use their fist to get their way are generally repeat offenders, it
almost always is a trend with the offender.

Statistics, if you talked about them, 41 percent in United States are
repeat offenders. 8 percent are re-arrested before the case even goes to
trial. In comparison, the numbers I`ve seen between -- in the NFL
somewhere between 2 and 3 percent of rostered NFL players are charged with
domestic violence, maybe three out of a thousand.

We don`t have an epidemic of domestic violence in NFL when compared to
national population. But still, one to many, if a 300 pound juiced up line
backer pounds on his wife or girlfriend, that`s one too many, it`s a good
start.

SCHULTZ: Well, it`s also a pedestal that the NFL is on and the visibility,
the fishbowl that they operate in, everybody sees it. Goldie Taylor, this
is about curbing behavior. Do you think this is enough, what`s your
reaction to this tonight?

GOLDIE TAYLOR, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: I do believe that the plan that
Commissioner Goodell put out today was comprehensive. I think it starts in
the front end with having the kind of support necessary for both the
players and their families, and their significant others that surround
them. I think that there are supports in place for the kinds of a
therapeutic aversion (ph) approach that are necessary.

But I also think that there`s the hard hammer of sanctions that come down,
six-game suspension for a first offense. But that doesn`t include for all
of those agitating circumstances that surround it, including having a child
present, or whether the woman involved is pregnant. And so those things
will exacerbate what that penalty could be.

But having lifetime ban after a second incident, I believe, with not
guarantee that your petitions to rejoin after, you will be heard. I
believe is one of those things that could be the kind of curve to this kind
of behavior. But let me correct something here, there is an over incidence
of domestic violence within the NFL, there`s absolutely is. I`ll tell you
this that it`s also underreported within the NFL, just a sexual assault was
underreported in the military.

It was unreported because we did not have that kind of safe harbor
necessary to bring those kinds of charges to fall. So it isn`t about
planning the quick -- pick a lotto, it is about real women, real people in
danger for their real lives. And so, I have to correct that for Mr.
Papantonio today.

SCHULTZ: Mike you want to respond to that?

PAPANTONIO: Well I think, you know, there`s always going to be
underreporting but we have to be aware of this fact, I mean, I haven`t
this, I haven`t prosecuted -- it`s very rare that you do see an instance
where somebody that -- these are highly paid players, sometimes...

TAYLOR: Having been on the other end, I also know that those are rare
instances than the...

PAPANTONIO: They are.

TAYLOR: ... instances of valid reports...

PAPANTONIO: They are.

TAYLOR: ... and so I think that`s what we got to be focused today.

SCHULTZ: OK. Terence, your thoughts on this, I mean, this running back
incident that unfolded that brought this under the spot light. It
certainly is going to be a benchmark incident that we`re going to be
looking at for a long time. I mean this clearly made the league move. But
the league by admission moved late, and they weren`t strong enough. And
did they misjudge it, and can they afford to misjudge it again?

TERENCE MOORE, PROFESSOR, MIAMI OF OHIO UNIVERSITY: Well, you know, first
of all Goldie is right because The Huffington Post reported recently that
21 of the 32 NFL teams had at least one player charged with domestic
violence incident over the past year. I mean that`s an awful lot. But to
answer your question Ed, this is huge because Roger Goodell just made
history.

Never before can I remember a commissioner ever, making a decision and
coming back this quickly, roughly a month later, saying I blew it and he
did blew it, and didn`t get it right. Because when you`re giving a 4-game
suspension for a guy for drug offense and then just 2 games, to Ray Rice
for knocking out his girlfriend and dragging her out of an elevator.

He had to do something, and he knew he had to do something dramatic. And
what he did was pretty much dramatic. The other thing to take note here
is, one of the reason you had the 4-game suspension involving drugs, that`s
a collective bargaining thing. So, the NFL has no control over that.

This is a decision that the commissioner has control over because of
personal conduct. So he`s got control over -- say whatever the penalty.
He`s like the judge and jury in this particular case. That`s why this is
huge, the fact that he came back and said, I made a mistake, the fact that
he came down with these hard penalties, he deserves a lot of credit for
this.

SCHULTZ: But the suspension to the athlete in questions right now stands.
What do you make of that Goldie?

TAYLOR: Well it does stand. And unfortunately, there is no grandfathering
of this penalty in. But I think that Ray Rice understands that he lives in
a new world now. That if he has a second incident then he can be subject
to a lifetime ban from NFL and he`d have to repetition the league. And as
I said before, no guarantee that that petition would ever be heard.

And so he`s career is on the line now. Unless he finds a way to reform his
behavior which I`m confident that he can. You know, if he gets the right
supports and certainly true that the NFL is about providing the supports
that he needs...

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

TAYLOR: ... I think they want him to be a better player both on and off
the field. And I think that that`s the supports are in place. And so
people like Ray Rice are going to have to live up to brand new standard.
Now the NFL does have an awful lot of women fans, and I happen to be one of
them.

I control my television set not just six days a week but 7 days a week on
Sunday, so I decide which game gets watched if a game get watched at all.
And so, they have to look at us female fans as well. We`re buying the hot
dogs, we`re buying the jerseys, we`re buying tickets, we`re showing up on
game day just like men are.

And I think that this kind of response by Roger Goodell shows that he
recognizes that, and that we`re also a source of grand revenue for the NFL.

SCHULTZ: Terence in your reporting over the years in the league, do you
think that there have been times when they`ve swept this under the rug and
it has as Goldie said, gone underreported and you think some players have
been protected over time?

MOORE: Oh I mean there`s no question about it. I`ve covered the NFL
pretty consistently since the late 1970s. And, I`ll tell you there`s a lot
of stuff that would make you skin crawl that I`ve seen that we couldn`t
report. But, you know, and I`ll tell you something, this is also going to
be a deterrent for two of the most horrific phases that has happened in the
NFL in the last five or six years.

You had the Rae Carruth situation, who was a wide receiver for the Carolina
Phanters who hired somebody to kill his pregnant girlfriend. OK, you had
that situation. You had a situation a few years ago Steve McNair being
killed by his mistress. So this is sort of a deterrent, hopefully to kind
of keep people, keep player from saying, don`t even go there because we`re
watching you and this is going to be a bad thing if you even thing about
it.

SCHULTZ: Mike, what`s the liability of teams in situations like these, if
they are as Terence and Goldie have said that, it goes underreported and
people are hurt and there`s not restitution. What`s the -- is there a
legal liability here for the team?

PAPANTONIO: Absolutely, if they`ve been put on notice that they have a
player that has this history of repeated offending and they take no action,
they don`t try to get him counseling, they don`t try to do anything to
interfere with this conduct, there absolutely is a connection between --
from him to the team, there`s absolutely no questions about that.

If somebody were to look at the statistics, as been pointed out here, I
want to be very clear. I think this is a good move. My whole point is, do
process still matters? You still have to have in place some way to make
sure that player that has been accused of this, can lose their livelihood,
that they have some avenue of due process in this whole course of conduct.

If they really want to solve the problem, they need to start at the collage
level, the collage level is where we see conduct even as bad as we see in
the NFL. But it has to start with the conditioning of those players,
having them understand, this is not a free for all simply because they`re a
collage player, simply because they`re an NFL player. That they`re playing
by rules that the rest of the population don`t have to play by. So...

SCHULTZ: And what about that Goldie, do you think the NCAA has to step in
and have some uniform rules on this. I don`t know if they do or not. I
know that university, institutions have code of conducts and athletic
departments have that as well. What about that?

TAYLOR: I absolutely have to agree with him here that you do have to start
back as far as collage in terms of training young men and women how to
behave themselves on and off the player field. So I think he`s absolutely
right about that. But I think that the same issue is true within the
collage arena that you`re having an awful lot of underreports happening on
these collage campuses, that instances of, you know, domestic violence or
date violence as they`re calling it today.

And so I think that there is an underreporting there, that extends it self
into the NFL. And so I do think that due process is absolutely necessary,
you know, I have the right to prove my side of the case, I have the right
to protect my career, I have the right to let all of the facts fall where
they may.

And so I think that he`s right that due process ought to rule to day. But
I`m awfully happy that there are real sanctions on the other end of that
process that did not exist just 24 hours ago.

SCHULTZ: Well this incident took the -- grabbed the attention of several
in the United State Senate. One of them was senator for Connecticut,
Richard Blumenthal who joins us tonight via the telephone and -- Senator,
good to have you with us tonight. I do understand that you had a written a
letter to Roger Goodell at the time that this all unfolded.

And you said that, the decision to suspend Mr. Rice for a mere two games
sends the inescapable message that the NFL does not take domestic or
intimate partner violence with the seriousness they deserve. You urged the
league to move forward and make some changes that Mr. Rice`s suspension to
be more adequately reflect the seriousness of his offense.

Senator your response to what the NFL has done this afternoon?

SEN. RICHARD BLUMENTHAL, (D) CONNECTICUT: Great step forward, it puts them
within reach of a really important and historic step that sets a model
potentially for other sports and other professional leagues. We still have
to find out whether they`re really cross the goal line. You know, words
are fine, actions are what`s necessary. And the possibility of six-week
suspension without pay and longer punishment, and years banishment if it`s
a second offense all are really very, very important signals and messages.

But now we have to see whether it will be implemented. And I believe very,
very strongly that the commissioner is to be commented for listening. And
heading, for example my call and others, that these kinds of domestic
violence, brutality, and assault have to treated severely and seriously.

SCHULTZ: Senator, do you think the league has to stay on it, maybe to find
out if this is going to be enough. I mean, we`re talking about curbing
behavior.

BLUMENTHAL: Absolutely, the league must stay on it. And so must all of us
who are interested in fighting domestic violence, you know, I`ve started a
group here in Connecticut some years ago associated with one of our major
domestic violence shelters, it`s Men Against Domestic Violence, Men Make a
Difference. Men has to take a stand, and these athletes are paramount,
principle role models for children.

And we know that domestic violence is a cycle that -- men who perpetrate
domestic violence, 70 percent or more have seen or experience it in their
own lives. And so, these athletes are role models and -- as important as a
punishment by the way, in my view is the education component that the
commissioner announcing, reaching out to spouses, reaching out to family
members, trying to do education outside of the league itself.

SCHULTZ: OK. Senator, good to have you with us tonight, I appreciate your
time Senator Richard Blumenthal. I want to go back finally now to Terence
Moore. What does this do with organization in the league, Mr. Moore? I
mean, they`re coming up on the end of training camp right now. I know that
there`s a lot of counseling that goes on with these players when they`re
new into the league.

You know, when an athlete comes to you today, they bring their agent, they
bring their accountant, they bring their advertising guy, they bring the
next corporate deal that they`re going to do. I mean they come to you
today as a commodity, they really do, they just don`t come to you as an
athlete from some school. And, you know, that this has to be managed.

So what`s the responsibility of coaches and teams, and they way they manage
these players at this point in the wake of this?

MOORE: If you are a general manager or an NFL coach right now,
immediately, you`re getting all these guys in a room and telling them to
cool it, stop it, be about business because we cannot afford to lose you
for six weeks, OK? Besides the fact they`re going to bet zapped as far as
pay is concerned, you`re going to hurt the team. OK, that`s number one.

The other thing I want to point out, people were talking about due process
earlier. One of the beautiful things about this, and maybe to some, maybe
not so much, when it comes to being the commissioner of these sports,
there`s no due process. These guys are very much like Vladimir Putin in
charge whatever he decides, in this case Roger Goodell, that`s the way it
is.

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

MOORE: OK? And that`s a good thing, particularly given the violence that
we`re talking about, and potential problems.

SCHULTZ: All right, Terence Moore, Goldie Taylor, Mike Papantonio, great
to have you with us tonight, I appreciate your time on the Ed Show.

Still ahead, Obama`s economy is here and it`s booming. Rapid Response
panel weights in, a lot of good signs out there.

But first, we`ll take a look at where our moral obligation lies at this
point with Iraq and Syria, with the slaughters that are taking place.
President Obama spoke moments ago, says no military actions against Russia.
We`ll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BARACK OBAMA, CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: Our
military is the best in the world. We can route ISIS on the ground and
keep a lid on things temporarily. But then as soon as we leave, the same
problems come back again. So we`ve got to make sure that Iraqis understand
in the end they`re going to be responsible for their own security.

This should be a wake-up call to Sunni, to Shia -- to everybody that a
group like ISIS is beyond the pale, that they have no vision or ideology
beyond violence and chaos and the slaughter innocent people. And as a
consequence, we`ve got to all join together -- even if we have differences
on a range of political issues, to make sure that they`re rooted out.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: And we are back. That was the president, just a short time ago
at the White House. Reemphasizing and he made it clear, the United States
will not standby as ISIS continues to commit horrific crimes against
humanity across Iraq and Syria. Air strikes in Iraq have escalated as ISIS
wages its campaign of terror through amputations, torture, abductions,
force conversions, slavery, rape, and mass public executions.

The United Nations` High Commissioner for Human Rights has called the
current situation in that country, in that region, widespread ethnic and
religious cleansing in the areas under their control. At this point,
President Obama is considering expanding the military campaign against ISIS
from Iraq into Syria. Our country maybe war-weary but I believe that there
is truly a moral obligation for us not just to standby and watch innocent
human beings executed as they were back in the 1930s and 1940s in Germany.

There`s no difference here, the way these people are being treated.
However, President Obama insists that there will be no ground game. Folks,
you know, things are bad when this guy says this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL, (R) KENTUCKY: Our top political priority over the
next two years should be to deny President Obama a second term.

I think the security of the nation comes first. I believe and others
believe that ISIS can hit us here at home and that`s really trumps all
other considerations, and I`m anxious to hear what the president has in
mind and I think he`s very likely to get support.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Joining us tonight, Lawrence Korb, senior fellow of the American
Progress Action Fund and former assistant Secretary Of Defense. Mr. Korb,
good to have you with us on this tonight.

LAWRENCE KORB, CENTER FOR AMERICAN PROGRESS: Absolutely.

SCHULTZ: There`re seems to be, now a real discussion in America taking
place about what our moral obligation is at this point when we see these
atrocities? What`s the right call here? Just how much can we do?

It seems like the president`s policy here and strategy here is to keep
saying that the Iraqi people have to step up. And the question comes up,
are they prepared enough and equip enough and resourceful enough to step
against ISIS? So there`s a lot of things that are involved here, your
thoughts?

KORB: Well, I think -- and the president made it clear that that`s why we
had to get Maliki out because one of the reasons ISIS was so successful and
Iraq in the Sunni area is because they preferred ISIS, as bad as they are
to Maliki who had actively persecuted the Sunnis. And basically with a new
government there, which would be more inclusive than the Iraqis will be
more willing to take on the ISIS. And together with our air power, we can
prevent them from expanding further in Iraq and probably rolling them back
eventually.

But the president I think was really smart when he said, "Look at some
point they`re going to have to do with themselves". I mean how long --
even if you put ground troops there eventually you got to leave. So it`s
really the people there that have to do it.

SCHULTZ: Do they have the resource and the wherewithal to fight back
against ISIS?

KORB: More than -- they have -- unfortunately, a lot of the equipment we
gave them was taken over by ISIS when they came into Mosul. But we`re
providing more equipment. We`ve got about a thousand, you know, advisers
on the ground to help these people get their act together and when they do,
I think they`ll be more than a match for ISIS militarily.

And the horrible things that ISIS has done is going to turn the population
in Iraq against them just like Al-Qaeda in Iraq, so annoyed the Sunnis that
they eventually joined with us to chase them out.

SCHULTZ: Where`s the global coalition to fight these terrorists? I don`t
sense that there is a real international push of togetherness along with
the United States to do what has to be done to rid these terrorist out?

KORB: No, you had countries like Britain, and France, and Australia
willing to partner with us particularly in Iraq and dealing with the
humanitarian crisis but Obama made a very important point. It`s also
regional problem. You know, ISIS is much more of a threat to Saudi Arabia
than they are to the United States, given the number of Saudis who have
joined to the fight there.

So the regional partners -- and he made the point, they don`t agree on
everything but even the Sunnis think that this group has gone too far and I
think eventually that will turn the tide when the Sunni groups like Saudi
Arabia which is kind of the preeminent Sunni country says...

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

KORB: ... this is not true Islam.

SCHULTZ: So, can we come to the conclusion that the bar has been raised
quite a bit, before the United States is going to commit any kind of ground
troops in fact, we can see public executions and it doesn`t move our moral
compass to send troops to strengthen things out? I mean we`re so war-weary
and we`re so war torn and we`ve been so burned by that entire region about
making one misstep after another. We`re just not going to do it even if
people are executed right in front of our eyes.

KORB: Well, I think two things, one in Iraq, we have a moral
responsibility because we created the situation there with our, you know,
unfortunate invasion and occupation. And in Syria, after what they did to
Jim Foley, I think basically then we have a moral obligation to go after
them. But ground troops are not the answer then they`ll turn the
population against us.

I think what you`ll see in Syria basically is targeting the leaders of ISIS
much the way we targeted the leaders of the Taliban on the Pakistan,
Afghanistan border, and then possibly going in like we did after Bin Laden,
if we got good information. Don`t forget we`ve already been into Syria.
We try to rescue Foley and that kind of got lost here, you know, so the
president is not just sitting back and, you know, letting events, you know,
take control.

SCHULTZ: OK. Lawrence Korb, thanks for your time tonight. I appreciate
it so much.

KORB: Thanks...

SCHULTZ: Still ahead, Republicans were wrong about Medicare. Rapid
Response panel weighs in on that with the new numbers that are out. We`re
looking in a big savings. Plus, Pastor Troy Schmidt punts his way in the
Pretenders tonight. But next, your question is coming up, Ask Ed Live,
just ahead here on the Ed Show. We`ll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the ED Show. Appreciate the questions tonight in
our Ask Ed Live segment. Our question comes from Ray (ph). He asks, "Will
Republican support President Obama`s foreign policy when they return from
vacation?" Have they supported anything President Obama wanted to do?
There`s going to be plenty criticism around.

The air strikes, they`re effective so far. Obviously having an effect,
helping those who are certainly in need but the Republicans are going to
come back saying, that`s not enough. So they will always take issue with
President Obama on foreign affairs. He never does enough. Stick around,
Rapid Response panel is next.

HAMPTON PEARSON, CNBC MARKET WRAP: I`m Hampton Pearson with your CNBC
Market Wrap.

Stocks fall across the board. The Dow down 42 points, the S&P sheds 3, the
NASDAQ losses 11 points.

A better than expected read on economic growth failed to inspire investors.
Latest figures from the Commerce Department show the economy expanded in a
4.2 percent annual rate in the second quarter. Meanwhile, filings for fist
time jobless claims fell by 1,000 last week to 298,000. Economists were
expecting claims to rise to 300,000.

That`s it from CNBC, first in business worldwide.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCHULTZ: And we are back. The conservative tactic of spreading fear about
this economy is backfiring. The U.S. economy second quarter rebound was
stronger than initially anticipated. Consumer spending, exports, and state
and local government spending all increased. Real Gross Domestic Product
increased 4.2 percent in the second quarter of this year according to the
Commerce Department`s second estimate.

Meanwhile, Wall Street`s record setting rally continues on Tuesday, the S&P
500 notched its 30th record of the year and closed above 2,000 for the
first time. Another positive story, the Congressional Budget Office has
reduced its estimate for how much the federal government will need to spend
on Medicare in the coming years. Conservatives were dead wrong when it
comes to Medicare.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REP. PAUL RYAN, (R) WISCONSIN: Obamacare kills Medicare as we know all.
The president`s plan does not save Medicare -- it lets it go bankrupt.
Rations the program and raids the program. We get rid of the rationing, we
stop the raiding and we save the program from bankruptcy.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: So what are the absolutes here? Somebody is not telling the
truth or doesn`t have the facts. Every year for the last six year in a row
the Congressional Budget Office has reduced its estimate for how much the
federal government will need to spend on Medicare in the coming years. The
latest reduction came in a report from the budget office on Wednesday
morning, and the changes? They`re not small, they`re big.

The difference between the current estimate for Medicare`s 2019 budget and
the estimate for the 2019 budget four years ago is a whopping $95 billion.
Things are getting better, something`s working or the Republicans are
totally wrong in their talking points. That`s more than the government is
expected to spend in 2019 on unemployment insurance, welfare or Amtrak, all
combined.

The widely discussed policy changes like raising the estate tax would
generate just a tiny fraction of the budget savings relative to the recent
changes in Medicare spending estimates. Obamacare is saving money, and
it`s doing exactly what the president said it was going to do. This is
exactly why it`s been such a quiet, quiet August on the home front for
these lawmakers.

They`re not badmouthing Obamacare anymore. More people are covered and the
actuary that keeps coming back is more and more positive. It is not
killing Medicare.

Joining me tonight on our Rapid Response panel, David Cay Johnston,
Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and columnist, and also Peter Morici,
professor of economics at the Robert H. Smith School of Business. Great to
have both of you with us tonight.

PETER MORICI, PROFESSOR OF ECONOMICS: Nice to be with you.

SCHULTZ: When do we start cheer leading good numbers? Let me put it to
you that way. When is enough information good enough that`s going to make
all of us smile and say, "You know, what? We`re doing something right for
America". David, what do you think?

DAVID CAY JOHNSTON, JOURNALIST AND COLUMNIST: Well, we certainly are. We
could be doing a lot better than we`re doing, but without questions we are
coming out of this awful economic time despite the failure of congress to
do what it could to create jobs. And I don`t understand how the
Republicans think they can continue the attack, although I think they want
to call it Obamacare instead of the Affordable Care Act with all those
survey showing that people hate Obamacare but love the Affordable Care Act.

SCHULTZ: Peter, what do you make in these numbers that are changing for
the better?

MORICI: Well, certainly the economy will do better over the next 12 months
than it has over the last 12 months and over the entire recovery. We`re
looking at growth in the range of about 3 percent, but I would point out
that during the Reagan years that, you know, over a comparable period we
grew at about, better than 4 percent, maybe 4.5 percent during his recovery
and he also started out with a high level of unemployment.

With regard to Obamacare, it is true that Medicare spending is down but
some of that were cuts in the reimbursements that were mandated by
congress. Remember, there are Republicans in congress and that we used to
finance subsidies in Obamacare. So some of that is moving the money around
and, you know, certainly, this is good news on Medicare but is not so great
news on the cost of renewing policies going forward for businesses and for
individuals.

That the cost of insurance, private insurance is going up rather
significantly and I`ve heard complaints on businesses about that. My
bottom line is, everybody is going to stop complaining and taking credit
and saying, "Look, this is the law of the land -- what do we do to work
together to make it better where it needs to be made better?"

SCHULTZ: But increases are no where near what they were before Obamacare,
correct?

MORICI: I don`t know that you`re going to say that come October. I think
we need to see the numbers coming in because I`m hearing some very heavy
complaints. Part of the problem is the risk pool isn`t turning out to be
what they thought it would be.

The young people that are choosing to pay the fine are the healthy ones.
Those that are taking the opportunity to buy insurance aren`t the healthier
ones. So the risk pool isn`t what they would like it to be. The fine for
not participating is too low.

SCHULTZ: Well, what is October have to do with anything because the bottom
line is, people`s policies, they`re renewed every year and so, you know, my
policy is renewed -- our policy is renewed every March and it`s
reevaluated. But during the Bush years -- we`ll actually from 2000 to 2010
there were double digit increases every year for most Americans. Those
aren`t there this year.

MORICI: Well, this is the time of the year that people get their new rates
for next year. And I just meant to October to say we need to let the
summer go by.

SCHULTZ: Oh, OK.

MORICI: And so we see what those rates are, that`s all.

SCHULTZ: OK.

MORICI: I could`ve said September if that would make you feel better.

SCHULTZ: Well, It`s year around, it`s what it is because.

MORICI: No. This the time of year, people get a lot of their rates
settings. So, you know, they get them about this time of year for -- this
is when you find out what your rates are going to be in 2015.

SCHULTZ: OK. David, your thoughts?

JOHNSTON: Well, if I can make a point here, I agree with Peter that the
economy recovered much more quickly during the Reagan years, why? Because
of government spending, let`s be clear here, Ronal Reagan was a big
spender. He ran up huge deficits, deficits have fallen under this
president at an incredible cliff (ph).

When he leaves office we`ll be down to a 2 percent of the economy deficit,
he inherited around 10 percent. And if the Republicans were cooperating
the way they did with Ronal Regan this economy would be going game busters
right now. Now, on the other point Peter makes, if we can just lower the
total cost of healthcare in this country to what the French pay.

They have the best system in the world, they`re one of the most expensive
but it`s so much cheaper than ours that if we just got to the level of
French we would have a surplus on budgets. We could choose them to cut
taxes if we wanted. We got to get a handle overall on health care and
who`s standing on the way of this? Republicans who are more interested in
making sure President Obama fails than in the country prospered.

SCHULTZ: Peter, I`ll give you the last word.

MORICI: Well, I would like to have the German system and they`re paying
about 50 percent less than we do. They`re paying 12 percent on GDP. We`re
paying 18 or 19. To do that, we`d have to do neither party wants to do and
that is seriously regulate the prices of things like drugs. Neither party
is much interested in that, that`s a bipartisan problem.

SCHULTZ: Great to have both of you with us. David Cay Johnston, Peter
Morici, I appreciate your time on the ED Show. Thank you.

Coming up, Sarah Palin and Mike Ditka think racist NFL team name should be
worn with pride. Trender is next. Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCHULTZ: And the Pretenders tonight. Sacked, Troy Schmidt, the Florida
pastor says the Orlando school district is fumbling his freedom. Schmidt
is no longer allowed to lead prayer at high school football activities.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ELISABETH HASSELBECK, FOX NEWS: Well faith under firing Florida, one
school district no longer allowing chaplains for the high school football
teams. Thanks to a complaint from the Freedom From Religion Foundation.
They have to call them life coaches there instead.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Schmidt started toasting the constitution around like a football.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TROY SCHMIDT, PASTOR: Well, I don`t think they`ve read the constitution I
mean it`s pretty clear that they cannot prohibit my free expression of my
faith or the free expression of the coaches to express their faith.
They`re telling us to be atheist when we want to say, this is what we
believe and we want to express it fairly like the constitution says.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Well, the pastor should try, actually reading the constitution.
The constitution protects the separation of church and state. The public
school that he works with is very much part of the state. The district
isn`t making Schmidt reject the existence of God. The district is
protecting others from forced religious practice. If Troy Schmidt thinks
he can cite the constitution without reading it, he can keep on pretending.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

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MIKE DITKA, FOMER NFL COACH: What`s all the stink over the Redskin name?
It`s so much -- it`s incredible.

SCHULTZ: If you look up the world redskin in the dictionary, the term is
widely identified as offensive slang.

BRIAN WILLIAMS, NBC NIGHTLY NEWS: The team owner has resisted a name
change even though some considered it a slur.

DITKA: It`s all the political correct idiots in America. That`s all it
is.

SCHULTZ: Mike Ditka and Sarah Palin play defense for DC`s football team.

DITKA: It was said out of reverence, out of pride to the American Indian,
even though it was called a redskin. What are you going to call them? A
Brown skin?

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SCHULTZ: Joining us tonight, Gyasi Ross, attorney and social activist and
author of, How Do I Say I Love You in Indian. Gyasi, good to have you with
us tonight, are you a politically incorrect or a politically correct idiot?
I mean that`s what Mike did. That`s the description that`s out there.
What is it going to take to move the pendulum on this story to have the NFL
change the name of the team in question?

GYASI ROSS, AUTHOR, "HOW DO I SAY I LOVE YOU IN INDIAN": Well, look
despite what Mike Ditka and Sarah Palin and Daniel Snyder think, many
people are already passed the moral judgment on the name whether it`s right
or wrong. And actually mobilizing and taking action, and so that includes
stuff like a possible divestment campaign against Federal Express and Bank
of American and other sponsors of the Redskins team.

Look, if Daniel Snyder is at the point where he is asking for Mike Ditka
and Sarah Palin to give him credibility on the topic that relates to social
justice and raised in ethnicity and Native Americans then he`s in more
trouble than we thought. And this name will change sooner than we thought.
Mike Ditka and Sarah Palin, they have the combined cultural and competency
of Derek Zoolander and they`re going to say dumb things. But the fact that
we`re giving them audience and the fact that Dan Snyder feels it`s
important to employ them. Well, that speaks to how disparate his straights
(ph) are.

SCHULTZ: Why do you think there is so much resistance to this change?
We`ve seen changes in society in reference to minorities. Why is this such
a heavy lift for people?

ROSS: Because, so just using Mike Ditka and Sarah Palin and Dan Snyder as
an example, they kind of represent an antiquated, and particularly krusties
(ph) strain of white privilege. That still thinks it`s very appropriate to
speak for people of color and for native people specifically. And that
manifest themselves specifically, you know, Mike Ditka, he was a
segregation era football player, who became appropriately a coach of a
team, an NFL team that was comprised largely a black players that he could
dictate his will too. There`s a reason why Mike Ditka is not a football
coach now...

SCHULTZ: So, yeah...

ROSS: ... and he`s a commentator. And that`s because he can`t take input
from people of color.

SCHULTZ: Well, he`s basically saying don`t move cheese. I mean that`s --
this is the way I am and this is the way I`m always going to be, whether
you like it or not. NFL Broadcasters Tony Dungy and Phil Simms are now
saying that -- and some other sports writers and columnist are saying that
they`re going and not be using that team`s name when discussing games this
season. This is part of a trend, isn`t it? I mean this is what it takes.

ROSS: Absolutely and, you know, just to discuss the merits of what Ditka
and Palin said, you know, really quickly, absolutely. And there is a
strained of liberalism that does get outraged at everything, but I will
tell you as a native person myself and somebody who`s in contact with
native people constantly. There`s a very real, tangible and credible
amount of native people who are dedicated to this cause and who are working
and spending money and resources to get this change. It`s not just white
liberals.

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

ROSS: It`s in fact a group that the party that is affected by this.

SCHULTZ: A story was on talkers late this afternoon that at George
Washington University, there are two professors who think that they are
going to be going after the radio station, licenses of the stations that
carry the NFL team, the Washington Redskins and they`re going to go after
their radio station license because of obscenity, they compared to that,
and also hate speech.

So these wheels are in motion, but it is going to come down to the money.
I mean when it starts affecting Snyder`s pocket book this is really what
it`s going to take, don`t you think?

ROSS: Absolutely, and ultimately the team. He`s putting in inferior
product on the field and combined with this downward pressure that`s coming
as a result of the professors who are going after hearing court, recent
copyright case that he lost. The team sucks and so these two things are
going to conspire to make this change come about sooner or rather than
later. And the only thing that standing on its way is obstinacy.

SCHULTZ: Mike Ditka and Sarah Palin I guess. Gyasi Ross, good to have you
with us tonight. Thanks so much.

That`s the ED Show. I`m Ed Schultz.

PoliticsNation with Reverent Al Sharpton starts right now. Good evening
Rev.

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