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September 2, 2014

Guest: John Garamendi, Lawrence Korb, Michael O`Hanlon, Mary Burke, Luis
Gutierrez, Marielena Hincapie, Michael Brune

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: The United States government have not confirmed
the authenticity of the video. The White House said today, the
intelligence committee is working as quickly as possible to determine if
the video is genuine. This is a freeze frame from the alleged video, ISIS
has not officially released the footage but site intelligence group appears
to have obtained a copy.

Sotloff has been missing since August of 2013. The reported murder comes a
week after Sotloff`s mother made a plea to ISIS to release her son.


SHIRLEY SOTLOFF, STEVEN SOTLOFF`S MOTHER: I ask you to please release my
child. As a mother, I ask your justice to be merciful and not punish my
son for matters he has no control over.


SCHULTZ: Sotloff`s alleged killing comes two weeks after American
journalist James Foley was murdered by ISIS. President Obama delivered
these stern remarks the day after Foley`s death.


stands in stark contrast to his killers. Let`s be clear about ISIL. They
have rampaged across cities and villages -- killing innocent, unarmed
civilians in cowardly acts of violence.

The United States of America will continue to do what we must do to protect
our people. We will be vigilant and we will be relentless. When people
harm Americans, anywhere, we do what`s necessary to see that justice is
done. And we act against ISIL, standing alongside others.


SCHULTZ: In a latest alleged video, ISIS threatens to murder a third man,
British hostage David Haines. All corners are criticizing President Obama
on having not a plan for ISIS in Syria. Here is Senator Dianne Feinstein
who chairs the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.


SEN. DIANNE FEINSTEIN, (D) CALIFORNIA: I think I`ve learned one thing
about this president, and that is he`s very cautious, maybe in this
instance, too cautious. I do know that the military, I know that the State
Department, I know that others have been putting plans together.

And so, hopefully, those plans will coalesce into a strategy that can
encourage that coalition from Arab nations, you know, Jordan`s at jeopardy,
Lebanon`s at jeopardy, the UAE and other countries are in jeopardy.


SCHULTZ: We start our discussion tonight here on the Ed Show with
Congressman John Garamendi of California who sits on the House Armed
Services Committee, Congressman, good to have you with us tonight. I want
to know, of the top, your perspective. If this video is real and if there
was an execution, what does this change for the United States and the
strategy at this point and the discussion?

REP. JOHN GARAMENDI, (D) CALIFORNIA: I think it changes nothing except our
determination to get these people, and to put this thing to rest. We have
a strategy in place. It`s already being played out certainly in Iraq. We
bombing ISIL, we are going about the business of putting together the
coalition such as Senator Feinstein just discussed.

Kerry will be in the Middle East. The NATO meeting is underway. Tomorrow,
the President is going to be in Estonia, probably more to do with the
Ukrainian situation. But there is definitely a strategy that is in place
to bring into the community -- in the area, the community of nations in
that area.

And also, continue striking ISIL. Now remember that just in the last 24
hours, the United States Government, using our extraordinary resources went
after the leader of al-Shabaab in Somalia. And probably took him out using
hellfire missiles and other assets. And for those folks that are the
leadership of ISIL or ISIS. Mr. al-Baghdadi had better be watching
carefully over his shoulder, because of maybe an incoming hellfire missile.

We need to know exactly where he is and where he maybe, whether Syria or
Iraq. I think he`s in serious jeopardy and he should be.

SCHULTZ: Congressman, do you think these air strikes should intensify?
Are they at a level that need to be increased at this point?

GARAMENDI: Well, it`s about being measured and deliberate. You got to
know what you need to accomplish, what is your goal? We`ve been very
successful thus far in stopping the advance of ISIL. We`ve got the Mosul
Dam back, Erbil is no longer jeopardized. We`ve just -- with the air
strikes and with the Iraqi and Kurdish forces have neutralized and broke
into siege on yet one more city in northern Iraq.

Those things are coming together, there`s time now for the Iraqi military
to reform, get back on its feet. Let`s remember that when ISIS invaded
Iraq, three Iraqi divisions simply melted away. So now that needs to put
back together. Again, a lot of problems, political problems in Iraq have
been stabilized, Maliki is gone, a new prime minister in place, new
government being formed, and quite possibly and hopefully, a reconciliation
between the two factions, the Sunni and Shias in Iraq. These are extremely


GARAMENDI: ... important steps. And all of that is taking place, and when
they say there`s no strategy, in fact there is a strategy and it is being
put together. Now exactly what we do in Syria is yet to be determined, but
I`m willing to bet that there`s a hellfire missile headed to Mr. al-
Baghdadi`s bedroom.

SCHULTZ: Well Congressman, considering the fact that this appears to be
standard operating procedure. Is the answer to ISIS just not going to fit
the 24-hour news cycle? That this is far more detailed than what Americans
-- what American patience might call for at this point?

And I ask that with the backdrop of what happened in Iraq in 2003, the
mistakes that were made there. It almost brought this country to the point
of a different kind of resolve, a certain amount of patience, and if this
is just something that were going to have to live with. I`m not trying to
put words in your mouth but it just seems to me that all the answers that
I`m getting from people who are weighting in on this, fighting ISIS and
containing them and eliminating them doesn`t fit the push button mentality
response that the American people are expecting, your thoughts on that?

GARAMENDI: Well I think you`re on the right track. We got to be measured.
We got to know, what is the actual situation? We saw what happened in Iraq
2003 when we simply had either bad intelligence or whatever else you want
to say about that particular period. So you wanted to be very cautious,
but not restrained from taking the appropriate action when you have a clear
plan in mind.

And there`s clarity in what the President and the administration is doing.
Pulling together the...


GARAMENDI: ... other countries. All of those things are now taking place.
And the assets are clear -- the military assets are clearly in place with
the ongoing bombing holding back ISIL.

SCHULTZ: Do you think Congressman that if there was a wave of attacks, air
strikes on Syrian soil that there would be a big push back for members of
Congress if the President were to get that aggressive?

GARAMENDI: Probably not, it depends on exactly what the purpose of those
air strikes are, if you`re going after the leadership, probably not. But
let`s keep in mind that the War Powers Act is operating today. The
President has sent the appropriate message to Congress, and by October the
6th, Congress must respond, either to stop all action or to clarify what
action should be taken, limited or not limited.

Those are very, very serious questions that Congress has to take up within
the next month -- in a week, and we will. We need to have clear
information from the administration, from the Pentagon...


GARAMENDI: ... State Department, and then get about writing the
appropriate resolution, either limited or unlimited or whatever is
appropriate as we determine in our hearings.

SCHULTZ: So, if a news were to come out within the next 24 hours that
American warships have delivered air strikes in Syria, do you think that
that would be acceptable -- under the War Power`s Act and the ability and
the executive authority that the President, the commander-in-chief has
right now that that would in the framework of going after ISIS?

GARAMENDI: I think that your last few words are the key ones here. The
framework of going after ISIS, I think that the President does have that.
Given the fact that two Americans have been killed and other threatened,
and he does have the authority to protect Americans and American interest.
And so I think the answer is yes. But again, exactly what is the air
strike? Limited, targeted...


GARAMENDI: ... probably OK.

SCHULTZ: Congressman John Garamendi, good to have you with us tonight sir.

GARAMENDI: Always...

SCHULTZ: I appreciate your time so much on the Ed Show, thank you sir.
Joining me now is Senior Fellow at the Center for American Progress and
former Assistant Secretary of Defense Lawrence Korb, also with us tonight
Michael O`Hanlon, Senior Fellow and Director of Research at Brookings

Michael you first, what if President Obama starts hitting Syria? Does that
cause any kind of constitutional problem? Is that the proper response,
your thoughts?

strategy -- and the Congressman I think was right. We had some elements in
strategy here and some ways, Mr. Obama understated degree of which he had,
at least the beginnings of one (ph), but a full Syria strategy needs also
for Congress to approve the $0.5 billion that President requested back in
June for arming and training the Syrian opposition, I support that request.

And I think if you combine that with American air power you have the
beginnings of a potentially affected military response. It`s going to take
a while in Syria, probably longer than in Iraq and that`s suggesting that
it will be easy. The Congress will have a say simply by approving that
money. So, whether or not Congress votes directly on authorizing any
military action in Syria.

I think if that aid were presented or testified to as part of an overall
package that includes the possible use of American air power as well,
Congress will have it`s say in approving the money. And I think that`s
going to be a crucial piece of any success in Syria. So, that`s where I
would say the Congress could have its most useful role.

SCHULTZ: Mr. Korb, if this video is real and an execution did take place,
do you think that the culture of Congress that it will speed up the access
that the President is going to have to have and the funds to go along with
-- in other words, will this change the handling of this crisis in any way?

LAWRENCE KORB, FRM. ASST. SEC. OF DEFENSE: Well I hope so, because I think
it`s important for all the members of Congress rather than sort of
kibitzing on the sidelines to actually take a vote and say with a stand on
this, because too many members want to have it both ways. And I agree with
the Congressman, if it`s limited strike, that`s one thing. And if you go
after -- like we did to get Bin Laden or get the leader of Al-Shabaab,
that`s different than an all-out air campaign.

And I would disagree with Mike here. I think Congress, if they approve the
money for the Free Syrian Army that does not include in all-out air war to
support them. I think they should be separate votes.

SCHULTZ: What about that Michael?

O`HANLON: Well, Larry`s got a lot of wisdom and experience on this issue.
I see his point. I think that the administration at least owes Congress
the explanation, that part of the overall policy for Syria will include the
possible use of air power. Now, you know, in a pure sense, I agree with
Larry. It will be nice if Congress would separately vote for that, but at
a minimum, they should consider that as one component of what a Syria
policy has to entail.

And if that`s part of their vote on the $500 million for the Syrian
opposition then they will at least to pass at least, support of the use of
air power provided the policy -- the full policy is presented to them in
advance. So in that sense I can settle for it even if Larry`s probably got
the stronger argument in pure constitutional terms.

SCHULTZ: OK. Michael again, these videos, this -- and what appears to be
now standard operating procedure by these radical Islamist ISIS. Is this
just an attempt to try to get America outrage, to engage with them on the
ground and is that something as you see totally out of the question?

O`HANLON: That`s an excellent question. We do have to keep our emotions
in check on such a terrible day, after such a terrible tragedy. But I
think actually the explanation is even simpler. I think it reflects where
this group is coming from, their very core nature. You play the clip of
President Obama explaining how he views this group and I think he`s right,
this is an abomination.

There is nothing defensible about what his group is doing or trying to
accomplish. And so the beheadings are sort of in their DNA. It`s part in
parcel of how they operate. And maybe they would like to see us involve
but frankly I doubt it, you know, they`re better of hoping that we stay
out, because if we get involve with any kind of a sustained air campaign in
Iraq or some of the mentors for the Iraqi army that I would favor.

Larry probably doesn`t but let him speak for himself in any of that, if we
got more involve, that`s going to make it harder for ISIS to hold on to
those cities in north-western Iraq that it currently controls. And they`ll
wind up losing what they`ve got. So I think it would be a big strategic
mistake for them to go (ph) us into more action.

SCHULTZ: What about that Mr. Korb? Why are they doing this? I mean
they`re trying to say that this is a second answer for America, and
there`ll be more coming. And it seems to be this is what they`re going to
do. Are they beating America the ground troops, your thoughts?

KORB: No. Basically they think we -- well they`re correct. We do value
human life so much that this will stop us for doing anything. They`re
making a terrible mistake because what its done is, it allows the President
to do much more than the American people would have wanted, given the
disaster we had in Iraq back in -- starting in 2003. So in effect, they`re
their own worst enemies by doing this. And Mike is right, I mean they also
just killed the Lebanese soldier, you know, in the last couple of days.

So this is who they are and I think it will also help us get the other
countries in the Middle East. Most of them whom have very, you know, they
disagree a lot on exactly how to handle Syria up to now to support going
after ISIS.

SCHULTZ: And finally, Michael if this doesn`t motivate other countries to
get on board with the United States, what will?

O`HANLON: Well, you know, I`m not that frustrated with other counties and
I`m not that frustrated with President Obama. I disagree with them on some
pieces of this but this is a hard problem. So I think rather than...


O`HANLON: ... phrase the question in those terms, I would simply say, what
can we realistically expect from each partner from each ally in this
equation? Take for example Jordan. We have to hope they can protect their
own country. That`s the realistic expectation for Jordan.

The key player here in the short-term is the Iraqi army in protecting their
own country and ultimately taking back Sunni Arab parts of Iraq from ISIS.
That`s the key partner that we really need to focus on more than any other
right now. And I think, with this new Iraqi government that President
Obama wisely helped midwife and to helped encourage, there`s a chance the
Iraqi army will now fight the way it supposed to.

SCHULTZ: All right, Michael O`Hanlon and Lawrence Korb, great to have both
of you gentlemen with us tonight...

KORB: Thank you.

SCHULTZ: ... here on the Ed Show. Thanks so much for joining us.

Coming up, President Obama kicks off the campaign season by talking to
union workers in Wisconsin. Wisconsin gubernatorial candidate Mary Burk is
here to weigh in on Scott Walker`s failures and more. Plus the immigration
debate heats up as President Obama pledges action and slams Republican
inaction. Illinois Congressman Luis Gutierrez is here with the Democratic

Stay with us. We`re right back on the Ed Show.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. President Obama and Vice President
Biden visited the middle of the country on Labor Day. They both made
passionate cases to protect the middle class and give working Americans a
raise. Many are calling these visit is the first campaign events to the
season, it`s tradition. And it`s no surprise that the President and the
Vice President are kicking off the campaign season with the people who
actually put them on office, union workers, going to be desperately needed
in the next 60 somewhat days.

Vice President Biden rallied with hundreds of union workers in Detroit on
Monday. Biden spoke at the annual Labor Day parade with Teamsters`
President James Hoffa. The Vice President wasting no time highlighting the
growing income gap in America, it`s a thing we talked often about here on
the Ed Show. Corporate profits are sky high while workers are barely
getting by.


JOE BIDEN, UNITED STATES VICE PRESIDENT: Why when American corporation
profits has skyrocketed to over $1.8 trillion, why are they only investing
9 percent of all those profits, in expansion, in wages, in research and
development? Ninety-one percent goes to CEO salaries and the stockholders.
What`s wrong with these picture folks? One of the reasons we`re not
growing, because ordinary people have no money in their pockets for their
wages? They are not being rewarded.


SCHULTZ: Biden slammed Republicans for their well-documented war on labor.
There had been right to work legislation passed in 24 states.


BIDEN: If you listen to the other side, this -- I call them the new
Republican Party. This is not to your father`s Republican Party. When
companies were unbolting their equipment and moving overseas, they claimed
it`s because you were fighting for a basic living wage and they had to go
somewhere else. There`s been a war on labor`s house. This new Republican
Party has everybody asking questions like, "Are union is too strong?"


No, no think about this. Think about what you read and see in the paper.
You hear a question like, "Are corporations over taxed?" What the hell are
we talking about?



SCHULTZ: The Vice President of the United States made a heated case to
the, "Give the middle class Americans a raise."


BIDEN: My dad used to say, Joe a job is about a lot more than a paycheck.
It`s about your dignity. It`s about your place in the community. It`s
about who you are. It`s about being able to look at you kid in the eye and
say, honey, it`s going to be OK. That`s what a job is about. And ladies
and gentlemen, you can`t do that unless you get a fair wage.


SCHULTZ: Lot of talk about Hillary. What worker in America can take issue
with what that man just said, the Vice President who`s thinking about
running. This is a type of speech which should be hearing from every
person who`s running for office. The message of economic populism, it has
got to stand. It`s what this midterm is going to be all about.

Meanwhile, President Obama was in Wisconsin on Labor Day, making a
passionate case for workers. The President flew to where? Milwaukee,
where he was greeted by none other than antiunion Governor Scott Walker.
Way to go Mr. President, to highlight it (ph), the President spoke to a
crowd of union leaders where he was joined by United State Workers
International, President Leo Gerard and Service Employees International
Union President Mary Kay Henry. He said the economy has rebounded because
of hardworking American middle class folks.


OBAMA: But I also want to see the guy who`s breaking his back on two
eight-hour shifts so he`s got enough money to send his kids to college. I
want to make sure that guys is given a break. I want to make sure he`s
getting some help. I want to see that woman who has worked for 40 years to
be able to retire with some dignity and some respect.

That`s how I measure progress, not just by how well the economy is doing
overall but how it`s doing for folks who are working so hard. That`s the
family I grew up in. That`s the family Michelle`s family grew up in. This
country gave me a chance, it gave Michelle a chance. I believe in the
American dream because I have lived it.

And I ran for this office to restore it for everybody. So no matter what
you look like and no matter where you came from, no matter how you start
it, you can make it in America if you try.


SCHULTZ: Very interesting strategic move by the President, because those
kinds of things cannot be spoken by the man who is the governor right now
in Wisconsin. It`s no surprise, the President visit the ground zero when
he`s fighting for workers and worker`s rights in this country. Now, if you
compare President Obama`s record to the union busting Governor Scott Walker
it`s day and night. It`s not even close.

President Obama, under his watch have seen 53 straight months of private
sector job growth. States that have raised the minimum wage which Walkers
against have seen growth, more so than those who haven`t. President Obama
raise taxes on these so-called job creators, the Bush tax cuts expired.
The President has taken the executive action to raise minimum wage for
federal contractors.

He has made it possible for millions of Americans to get quality affordable
health care through Obamacare. Wall Street, they`re not complaining, life
is pretty good on Wall Street. And President Obama is pro-worker and
America is in a better place for it. Meanwhile, I think the President
should be going to all of these states where these governors have failed,
for instance, Wisconsin. Great start Mr. President. Scott Walker is an
antiunion and of course Wisconsin is worse of because of it.

Walker has passed sweeping antiunion legislation attacking public sector
unions. On Monday, President Obama called out Walker on his backwards


OBAMA: After all that unions have done to build and protect working
Americans. I know it`s frustrating when people have the gall to blame you
for the problems facing working Americans. I know you`ve got some
experience with we`ve got around here.



SCHULTZ: Walker is against raising the minimum wage. Walker refused to
setup -- to set exchange or expand Medicaid under Obamacare. Walker`s
radical agenda shows in his job performance, look at the numbers. From
December 2010 to December 2013, Wisconsin ranked 35th nationally in private
sector job growth. Every state bordering Wisconsin has a higher job rate
than the Badger State.

Wisconsin is dead last in the Midwest when it comes to job growth. Now how
could that be if Walker has got all the answers? Wisconsin`s job growth
isn`t even close to what Walker had promised. In 2010, Walker pledge
250,000 new jobs by the end of his first term, didn`t happened. He
couldn`t even reach half that of 100,000 jobs created. That`s what
Walker`s radical antiunion, anti-worker Republican policies have brought

So when the President got off, the airplane over the weekend, I hope it was
just a great hand shake from Scotty because he needs help from the
President. Now, you could vote Republican or we could vote for the party
that bets on the American worker.


OBAMA: Most of the policies I`m talking about have two things in common.
They`re going to help more working families get ahead and the Republicans
who run our Congress opposed almost all of them. I want economy where your
hard work pays off with higher wages and higher income and fair pay for
women and work place flexibility for parents, and affordable health
insurance and descent retirement benefit. I`m not asking for the moon, I
just want a good deal for American workers.


SCHULTZ: For more let me bring in Mary Burke. She is the Democratic
candidate for governor in Wisconsin. Mary, it`s great to have you here on
the Ed Show tonight, I appreciate your time. It just seems that what the
President was talking about was all about Scott Walker. What do you see as
Walker`s biggest failure?

with you here tonight and there`s -- well, unfortunately there`s way too
many. There -- his jobs failure is certainly number one. He promised
250,000 jobs, we`re no where close to that. We`re dead last in the Midwest
in terms of job growth and when he made that promise, his jobs plan, it was
four pages long. And if you take out the pictures of himself, it was more
or like two.

The people of Wisconsin deserve better. We deserve a well thought out
plan. If you`re going to make political promises to win our votes we
deserve a plan on how we`re going to get there. You know, the people, the
hard working people of Wisconsin that I talked to every single day, you
know, they want a governor that`s going to put the people of Wisconsin
ahead of the special interest, that puts common sense ahead of the politics
and that believes in bringing people together because that`s how we do our
best work, that`s how we`re going to get result.

That`s a kind of governor I`m going to be.

SCHULTZ: Mary Burke, how much have these legal problems that Scott Walker
has had especially as of late showing e-mails that he has been involved in
campaigning and coordinating campaigns which is against Wisconsin law. How
much does that play to your favor? How much you capitalize on that? Is
that a focal point of your campaign?

BURKE: Well, it`s not going to be focal Ed. Job is what people are
focused on here. But certainly, the court should be able to determine
whether laws were broken here. And frankly by what we have heard, $700,000
from a mining company who then benefits from a legislation that was passed
to allow a four-mile open pit mine in the northern part of the state. And
that that was coordinated with Scott Walker`s campaign. Frankly, if it`s
not illegal, it should be.

SCHULTZ: Would you be labor friendly, on the heels of Labor Day and the
President of the United States speaking the labor groups and wage earners
in your state, could you stand and say, "I will be labor friendly?"

BURKE: Absolutely. I am there to support hardworking men and women of
Wisconsin. We need to have an increase in the minimum wage. It`s
ridiculous to think that people can survive without government assistance
in $7.25 an hour. I want to make sure the people are able to have that
pride of the job and support themselves and their families.

We have to increase the minimum wage. I`m in favor of restoring collective
bargaining. That doesn`t stand in the way of having an effective and
accountable and efficient state government. But we`d also have to make
sure that we`re able to track and keep the people in our public sector, and
I was a business executive at Trek bicycle. I know an organization is only
as good as its people.

So I want to make sure that we have a strong public sector. And I talked
to a guy named Jim from Neenah just recently and he told me how his
daughter, a hardworking student graduated in education at U.W.-Eau Claire,
she got two job offers, one in her hometown in Neenah and one in a school
district in Minnesota. Guess which one she`s taking? We want to make sure
that we are able to keep...


BURKE: ... our young people here in Wisconsin and that we`re creating the
opportunities and we have the type of work environment where they want to

SCHULTZ: Well, it is a race to follow. Poll show that you`re neck and
neck with the current governor and...

BURKE: Yeah.

SCHULTZ: ... Democratic voters, I hope they`re energized. This is going
to be a very important election, no question about it. And so, I`m looking
forward to see how this all unfolds. Mary Burke, we`ll have you back. I
appreciate your time tonight, all the best. We`ll do it again. Thank you.

BURKE: Thanks, Ed. Good to be with you.

SCHULTZ: You bet. Still ahead, the immigration debate rages on, as both
sides attempt to stall the issue. Congress Luis Gutierrez weights in on
whether we`ll see movement before the November elections. Plus, former
House Speaker Eric Cantor scores a cozy new gig, thanks to his Wall Street
cronies, Pretenders coming up. Questions next, Ask Ed Live. Stay with us,
we`ll be right back on the Ed Show on MSNBC.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Appreciate the questions in our Ask
Ed Live segment. Our question tonight comes from Mark. He wants to know,
"How do you feel about the President Obama`s cautious approach to what`s
happening in Ukraine and Syria?"

We`ll let`s take Syria and ISIS. Look, I think as our intelligence gets
better, our air strikes are going to intensify and that is the correct path
until we get a big coalition to do what we have to do against ISIS. Keep
in mind the backdrop to all of this, no matter what the President does,
he`s going to be criticized by Conservatives. Stick around Rapid Response
Panel is next.

JANE WELLS, CNBC MARKET WRAP: I`m Jane Wells with your CNBC Market Wrap.

Stocks end of day mixed. The Dow is down 30 points, the S&P 500 falls one,
but the NASDAQ added over 17.

Home Depot may have been the target of a massive credit card breach. The
retailer said it`s looking into, "some unusual activity" and insurance of
Home Depot fell about two percent on that news. And manufacturing growth
in the U.S. was strong in August, a closely watched gauge of activity, rose
more than expected to its best level in over three years.

Who says we don`t make things in America anymore? That`s it from CNBC,
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SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. President Obama is getting pressure
from all sides on immigration reform. In June the President signaled, he
would use executive power to go it alone. Now, just two months before the
midterm elections, the President is being pressured by members of his own
party to delay action on immigration.

Senate Democrats fighting close midterm races are worried about the broader
political ramifications. They`re looking to avoid a September surprise, as
what they call it but President Obama isn`t letting the pressure stop him
from continuing to call out Republicans on the issue.


OBAMA: When unions and CEOs, when law enforcement and the evangelical
community, when folks who usually don`t agree on anything, agree that we
should be fixing our broken immigration system but the Republicans and the
house or representatives have been sitting on a bill for more than a year,
it ain`t right.


SCHULTZ: Joining me tonight, Illinois Congressman Luis Gutierrez,
Congressman, good to have you with us tonight. What is...


SCHULTZ: ... your response? You bet. What is your response to Democrats
who want the President to wait until after the midterms to do something on
immigration policy reform or executive order? What about that?

GUTIERREZ: Yeah. Well, that everyday a thousand people are deported.
Everyday we leave children without a mom or dad. Everyday our country is
less secured. You we`re talking about ISIS and our war. You know what?
Let`s put our energy and our resources into those who would cause harm.
The President can take millions of people and simply put their finger
prints on file with the FBI. Let us know where they`re at, where they`re
working, who they are and make our country more secure and then use those
resources to make sure that the homeland is more secure.

Our economy, we need -- look, the fruit and the vegetables that we eat
everyday, they`re picked by foreign hands in his country. We know that 70
percent are undocumented. Shouldn`t they get a fair wage and shouldn`t
they get a fair break in this county.

So, when Democrats do the right thing for security, for our economy and for
justice and fairness, we win. The President wants to be bold, he wants to
be broad, he wants to be generous -- he should be.

SCHULTZ: So, you want him to move and put all political calculation off?

GUTIERREZ: Absolutely.

SCHULTZ: What if he does -- What if he doesn`t? What if he doesn`t do
anything? What does that do before the midterms to the Hispanic vote?

GUTIERREZ: Here`s what I think, you know, they`re afraid that angrier
older people might come out to vote. They`re coming out to vote Ed. The
question is, "Are you going to give young people, women, people in the
labor room, that Latino and immigrants, are you going to give them a
motivation to come out to vote in the midterm election? Are you going to
say no because we`re afraid of these other folks that are never going to
vote for us?"

We have to stand on principle and for our values as a Democratic Party.
Let me just say this Ed, if this was about the LGBT community, we would not
be having this conversation.


GUTIERREZ: If this was about reproductive rights for women, we would not
be having this conversation. If this was about voting rights and civil
right, we would not be having this conversation. We should not be having
this conversation about the rights of the immigrants. The President wants
to do the right thing and Democrats should allow and get out of the way of
this president doing the right thing.

I think President Barack Obama wants to do the right thing. He has
indicated that. He`s -- Look, he`s the one I voted for. Let that man
stand up and lead for America.


GUTIERREZ: And I think the Democrats just got to step aside.

SCHULTZ: Congressman Luis Gutierrez, great to have you with us tonight. I
appreciate your answers on this.

GUTIERREZ: Thank you.

SCHULTZ: Thanks so much for joining us. Now let me bring in Marielena
Hincapie. She`s the Executive Director of the National Immigration Law
Center. Marie, does a time table make a difference? The midterms, in
terms of an election coming up, does the time table make a difference?

invitation Ed. Absolutely not, I think as Congressman Gutierrez just said,
the time is now for the President to lead. He made a promise on June 30th
and he needs to follow on that, follow through on that promise.

If we wait until after the November elections, we`re talking about almost
100,000 families who will have been ripped apart because of the current
deportation levels. We can`t allow that workers -- we just celebrated
Labor Day, and workers would benefit from this. We can`t continue to
allow, abusive employers to exploit workers because they don`t have work

This is good for workers, it`s good for immigrants, it`s good for the
economy, and it`s time for the President to lead and not to be shortsighted
and not let politics play -- be the deciding factor.

SCHULTZ: So what would another delay signal to the Hispanic groups in this
country, progressive and activist who have been fighting for reform?

HINCAPIE: It will show that they will have lost faith in the President
because he will not have follow through on his promise from June 30th.
Second, it will show that the Democrats are also playing politics with our
communities. And we know Ed that the Democratic Party, time and time
again, stands up for workers, stands up for women, for working people, for
families, for immigrants.

But if the Democratic play politics and use that shortsighted effect,
people will stay home, not only in the November midterm elections but they
will stay home in 2016. And the opportunity to lead, both by the President
and the Democratic Party will have been lost.

SCHULTZ: Marielena Hincapie, I appreciate your time tonight. Thanks so

HINCAPIE: Thank you Ed.

SCHULTZ: Coming up, solar energy and the clean coal myth, and that`s what
it is. What Americans can do right now to combat climate change? And I`ll
show you a real change. Stay with us.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. There has been an all-out attack on
solar energy in America by big oil and the coal companies. The oil
companies have been on a mission to destroy clean energy and it`s wrong.

Coming up, I`m going to show you how I turn my fishing lodge into an energy
efficient machine. And just how you can do it and you could do it with
solar. You don`t want to miss it. Stay with us, we`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Coal is a carbon-belching power
which contributes nearly eight times more energy than all of the nation`s
wind and solar generation combined. We`re hooked on coal. So how can we
make a difference? There are clean alternatives such as solar and wind and
the technology is moving fast, although conservatives are trying to derail


administration`s political goal here, economic goal is to eliminate coal
power from the U.S. economy?

SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL, (R) KENTUCKY: The reason we`ve been calling this a
"War on Coal" is that`s exactly what it is. The President said that back
in 2008 before he was elected, he admitted it. He admitted and he`s
keeping his commitment.

SCHULTZ: The thing that`s frustrating, when you do the research on solar
power and you see how effective it can be, and when you think about the
United States, our country, we use 5 percent of our energy on solar and
wind. Why? Why is that or is it -- it`s the oil lobby, it`s the coal
lobby? But wait a minute, it`s us. We have to decide as a country that we
want to be clean. It can be done.

My family and I decided to move toward a cleaner future by installing solar
panels in a major solar operation at lodge in Canada.

This is now here at North Country Lodge in Manitoba, the largest off-grid
solar operation of all of Manitoba and Ontario and one of the largest in
Western Canada. Now, these 48 panels, they were flown in and constructed
by Solar Solutions. We are producing 14 kilowatt. And when you have a
sunny day like this, these batteries, they store up the energy and you can
go for hours. And when they get to a full charge, you can go up to 24
hours without using any kind of backup generation.

We just cut a trail through the woods here, from our solar panels that go
to our generation house and we sync them up together. Because we still
have to use the generators a little bit to bring the battery power up when
it`s a cloudy day, but it`s a huge savings and a huge reduction and
pollution, that really is something else.

This is our generator house here at the lodge. This is the electrical
switch. It runs all the way across the lodge, of course, all of this is
generated from two big generators, diesel generators. This is a 30
kilowatt and then we`ve got a 56 kilowatt. It`s more power than you can
ever imagine.

So, this is dirty technology. And if someone had told me five years ago
that we were going to be total solar when we came to lodge, I would have
said, "No way." But attitude change, things change, technology changes.

Coal-fired power plants are the largest contributors to the atmospheric CO2
concentrations. A new study shows, carbon emissions last year reached 400
parts per million for the first time in human history. Lawmakers and
conservatives need to understand the long-term consequences of continuing
to use dirty energy.

BILL O`REILLY, FOX NEWS HOST: We like solar and wind power to be
affordable. But in the meantime if you think hammering U.S. corporations
will stop the fires in California or storms like Sandy, you`re nuts.

SCHULTZ: Our biggest challenge is convincing people that this is the right
way to go. When they see it, when we saw it, our eyes were open to
something that was just absolutely amazing. And the technology is
advancing all the time. And when you take that first step to go solar, you
think, "Is this going to work?" I mean -- we were skeptical.

But if you see the power of it and you see how clean it is and it`s -- it
really is a great feeling. And our kids are seeing it, our grand kids are
seeing it and it`s really transforming how they view energy.

And if we don`t take the lead as a country when it comes to taking
advantage of the technology, forgetting the profit and thinking about the
environment, there`s plenty of money to be made when it comes to solar and
wind and alternative energies. And so we`re proud of the fact that we`ve
been able to do this, we`ve seen it on a personal level.


SCHULTZ: Michael Brune, the Executive Director of the Sierra Club joins us
tonight. Michael, good to have you with us...


SCHULTZ: ... in this doing this story and going to through this whole
process, there is a propaganda war out there against clean energy in this
country, your thoughts on that.

BRUNE: Well there`s a propaganda war just to defend the status quo. But
what I have to say is congratulations Ed. What you did is this exact same
thing that hundreds of thousands of families across the country are doing.
What they`re basically doing is they`re taking control over their own
energy, they`re cutting their own cost, they`re cutting pollution, they`re
creating jobs and they`re helping to move our country and up in Canada as
well, into the future.

So, what we see is an opportunity to solve multiple problems with one
solution. And using solar and wind is a great way to do that.

SCHULTZ: Well, communities can do this, consortiums...

BRUNE: Yeah.

SCHULTZ: .... can be put together. And this idea that it`s too expensive
is simply wrong. O`Reilly doesn`t know what he`s talking about. It`s
amazing. We have cut our fuel bill by over 90 percent...

BRUNE: Yeah.

SCHULTZ: ... with this investment.

BRUNE: Yeah.

SCHULTZ: And it comes with a 25 year warranty. I mean, how can the
country say no to that?

BRUNE: It`s awesome. You know, my wife and I, we put solar up on the roof
top of our own house a couple years ago. And you don`t often get the
chance to save money and cut pollution at the same time. But every time
that a church or a business or a family installs solar, they`re creating
jobs right in their community and they`re also helping to make our country
more competitive, by letting these industries grow.

SCHULTZ: And the future is exciting and the technology...

BRUNE: Yeah.

SCHULTZ: ... is absolutely amazing. Michael Brune, good to have you with
us tonight. I appreciate your time. We`re going to be doing more stories
on clean energy, coming up. That`s the Ed Show, I`m Ed Schultz.

Politics Nation with Reverend Al Sharpton starts right now. Good evening


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