The Ed Show for Wednesday, September 3rd, 2014
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THE ED SHOW
September 3, 2014
Guest: Bill Richardson, Terence Moore, Nydia Tisdale, William Finch, Epps-
Addison, Larry Cohen
ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to the Ed Show
live from Detroit Lakes, Minnesota. Let`s get to work.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: Our objective is
clear, that is to degrade and destroy ISIL.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The message is, "We`re still thinking about it".
OBAMA: We`re very clear on what our objectives are.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It seems like the White House messaging, "Our office is
OBAMA: We`ve made the case to Congress. We`ve made the case to the
SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS HOST: I`m not trying to psychoanalyze the president
RALPH PETERS, RETIRED U.S. ARMY LIEUTENANT COLONEL: We have a president
who has a real psychological problem.
PHIL ROBERTSON, TELEVISION PERSONALITY: Convert them or kill them?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kill them.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This president is not doing enough, he`s too
OBAMA: . degrade and destroy ISIL.
JOHN KERRY, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: The United States will hold them
accountable to. No matter how long it takes.
SEN. JOHN MCCAIN, (R) ARIZONA: ... things the president said and stood for
which have been completely wrong.
JOE BIDEN, U.S. VICE PRESIDENT: We will follow them to the gates of
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Good to have you with tonight folks, thanks for watching. We`ll
follow them to the gates of hell but wait a minute, if you`re a
conservative that`s just not good enough. We start tonight with outright
Republican criticism over President Obama`s handling of the ISIS crisis.
It`s out there, it`s abound.
The day after an American journalist Steven Sotloff was murdered by ISIS.
President Obama came out and condemned the killing.
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OBAMA: Whatever these murderers think they will achieve by killing
innocent Americans like Steven, they have already failed. They failed
because, like people around the world, Americans are repulsed by their
barbarism. We will not be intimidated. Their horrific acts will only
unite us as a country and stiffen our resolve to take the fight against
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: But wait a minute, as a conservative, that`s not good enough, we
need more. A short time later President Obama said it`s going take the
international community to combat ISIS.
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OBAMA: We know that if we are joined by the international community, we
can continue to shrink ISIL`s sphere of influence, its effectiveness, its
financing, its military capability to the point where it is a manageable
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SCHULTZ: Dog gonnit, that`s not just good enough. That`s too academic,
that`s too thought out, that`s just too "we have a plan." Americans aren`t
ready for that, at least conservatives aren`t. You see, Republicans are
shamelessly using ISIL and the killing of Sotloff to slam the President of
the United States. It`s just another day at the office.
Well, here comes the criticizer-in-chief, Senator Lindsey Graham of South
Carolina criticized the President immediately after Sotloff`s murder.
After giving condolences to the Sotloff family, time to turn political. He
says this, "Condemnation is not enough to deal with the scourge. It is
time we act decisively against ISIL wherever it resides. Mr. President, if
you can`t come up with a strategy, at least tell us what the goal is
SCHULTZ: You know, it`s almost sickening. This country cannot get on the
same page about anything. Graham`s buddy John McCain who is still a grumpy
old man and can`t forget 2008 outcome, he jumped all over the President
again. Senator McCain used the bogus argument, "We should have left troops
in Iraq", that`s the talking point he`s using.
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MCCAIN: All of this didn`t have to happen. We could have left a force
behind in Iraq that would have stabilized Iraq. And we are paying an
incredible price for the President`s leading from behind whether it, be in
Iraq or Syria or Libya or a number of other countries in the Middle East.
You are seeing the chickens coming home to roost.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: We are paying an incredible price of President Obama, that`s what
McCain says. This doesn`t have anything to do with, map it up the invasion
of 2003 does it? Now as we pointed out on this program before, President
Bush negotiated the exit agreement with Iraq. President Obama wanted to
leave some troops behind but Maliki would not grant the American troops
amnesty which of course would have put America in a legal tight rope and
also in an untenable position legally.
President Obama, what is he doing? He`s using a stern, coherent, and
thoughtful approach. Many Republicans like McCain, well they`re not
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VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: ISIS, what are we going to do about it?
MCCAIN: Kill them. They`ve got to be destroyed. And you`ve got to have a
goal, the President does, and we have to have a strategy to fit that goal.
And policies that will implement it, we have none of the above.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: So we haven`t killed any ISIS people at all? We haven`t killed
any of these terrorist? You mean we just keep hearing that these air
strikes are intensifying but they`re not really not hitting anybody?
McCain is not connected with what`s happening.
The Fox News talking heads are even worse. Geraldo wants to sink to the
level of ISIS, he twitted this morning, "The president finally declared our
strategic goal to degrade and destroy ISIS. We must hold him to it.
Behead the ISIS butchers."
Hold it right there. Just so we`re on the same page here Geraldo because
you do say you`re a journalist. You want United States marines to be on
the ground and capture ISIS and cut their head off, that`s what you want
American troops to do? Things really went off the deep end on Hannity`s
show last night.
Mr. Duck Dynasty, Phil Robertson the patriarch of the family has a genius
plan to take down ISIS, convert or kill.
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ROBERTSON: In this case you either have to convert them, which I think is
-- would be next to impossible. I`m not giving up on them but I`m saying,
either convert them or kill them, one or the other.
HANNITY: You know, that`s going to be.
ROBERTSON: Converting them maybe has -- that time has come and gone. So I
think that -- with this ideology that were faced with, this is like street
gangs, street thugs on steroids.
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SCHULTZ: Oh yes, what a very innovative way to advocate for war. They`re
just like guys out on the street to break the law in America, let`s take
them down, let`s not ask any questions, let`s just shot first and think
about it later. Convert or kill, you know, Phil Robertson, maybe you
should get your grand kids to arm up and go out and get ISIS.
It`s absurd that Phil Robertson wants to take a page out of the ISIS play
book and use the convert or kill strategy. It`s exactly what ISIS is doing
throughout Syria and Iraq. And another thing, Mr. Robertson, I just wonder
how many good Christian creatures you can get to back you up on that
comment that maybe it`s time to convert or kill.
The conservative rhetoric of ISIS is talk, but most of all, it is smear on
the President. Republican criticism over President Obama as I see it is
way out of proportion. It`s par for the course these days, no matter this
President does Republicans are going to slam him for it. President Obama
is doing the right thing with targeted air strikes which are intensifying,
and the President is not buckling to this terrorist propaganda.
And one thing that the Republicans have most of all now is amnesia. I
remember in Gulf War I, we had to wait for George H. W. Bush to be a
coalition to go after Saddam. But of course we`re not going to give
President Obama that kind of quarter or that kind of room. And I remember
before we went into Iraq in 2003 that we gave President Bush all the
latitude in the world to juggle the intelligence to get the American to
think that we`re 45 minutes from a mushroom cloud.
I remember the Coalition of the Willing, why can`t we get a Coalition of
Willing right now? It`s because we`ve made to so many mistakes in the
past. And this President is trying to get it right. So now he has the
guts to go NATO and say, "You know what? All of you guys have got to back
We got to find out who in NATO wants to get the job done. When it comes to
the Russians, then we`ve got to find out if we`ve got Coalition of the
Willing to go after ISIS.
Get your cellphones out. I want to know what you think. Tonight`s
question, "Would Republicans like to follow Phil Robertson`s foreign policy
play book?" Text A for yes, text B for no to 67622, you can always go to
our blog and leave a comment at ed.msnbc.com. And will bring you the
results later on in the show.
Leave it to Fox News and Sean Hannity to go into a duck slew try to find an
expert on what do with American foreign policy. I think I`ll pass. For
more let me bring a gentleman who has been there, who has been in a public
arena, who has been an ambassador, who has been a negotiator. Former New
Mexico Governor and former Ambassador to the U.N. Bill Richardson, Bill
good to have you with us tonight, I appreciate your time.
FRM. GOV. BILL RICHARDSON, (D) NEW MEXICO: Thank you Ed, nice to be with
SCHULTZ: You bet. There seems to be no patience, no room given to this
president in a very tough situation. Mr. Ambassador, what are our options
as you see it at this point when Americans are getting their heads cut off?
RICHARDSON: Well, I think you`re absolutely right. You know, I was around
the 9/11, the Gulf War -- there was bipartisanship, there were
disagreements over tactics, but in the end we came together. I think the
President`s options are one, you`ve got to build a coalition, you can`t
just do military air strikes, they`re working and you pointed out, they`re
succeeding with helping the Kurds or succeeding in Iraq. But there has to
be a diplomatic strategy Ed. That involves Arab countries.
The good news is that there are a lot of entities in countries that hate
ISIS, Hezbollah, Iran, Iraq, the Gulf state, Saudi Arabia. You have to
build that support but most importantly in this NATO meeting which you also
pointed out. We got to get our allies, the French, the Germans to help us
with some of the air strikes -- it can`t just be the U.S. alone.
So, I think what is needed here is, let`s get behind this country, let`s
get behind the President. He is being, I think very systematic about
developing a coalition policy that involves military, that involves
diplomatic options, that involves economic suctions. We`ve also got to get
those wealthy Arabs to stop funding ISIS. Let`s be smart, let`s collect
the best intelligence. So, look, I fully agree with the points that you`ve
SCHULTZ: Well, Mr. Ambassador, it`s inevitable that something happened in
Syria, is it not? I mean of ISIS is permeating geographically the country
side, if we don`t go in and get them, who`s going to do it? And if we`re
not -- and we`re going to do it alone, we`ve tried that before, it didn`t
work, but the geographic territory that ISIS now has in Syria, it`s only
going to build.
So this is really the predicament right now. And the question is being
asked to Congress by a lot of people, would you support air strikes in
Syria? Is that option that we really have to consider, your thoughts?
RICHARDSON: Well, I think we have to consider that Ed because this is a
very strong movement that is getting stronger everyday. But we have to be
systematic, now you don`t want to do air strikes in Syria that help Assad
who is our enemy, who has been anti-the United States, he`s been a human
rights violator, he`s had chemical weapons.
So we have to -- with our best military precision and we`ve got the kind of
military that can make those targeted assessment. We have to do it right,
we can`t just bomb indiscriminately. We have to find ways to do it
successfully and decisively. But it would really help if the French and
the Germans and our NATO allies that are also threatened by ISIS.
The Saudis, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar -- a Coalition of the Willing
that can be strong, that can be united. The U.S. can`t just do it alone.
SCHULTZ: Yeah. Well, Bill that tells us that -- history tells us that
takes months. And so this is not going to fit the 24/7 news culture that
this country has become addicted to in our expectations of solutions. And
so this is going to -- be a long argues process, isn`t it?
RICHARDSON: That`s right Ed. You know, I remember I was around -- I`m
that old, I was a congressman and Secretary of State James Baker made over
30 trips to Syria to get Syria to endorse our efforts. Assad`s father in
the Gulf War against Saddam Hussein, and he got it but it took 30 trips,
and built a coalition that was very strong.
But the point is that there were debates in Congress. In the end, we came
together as a country, and I worry that, you know, in this time where
Americans are being beheaded, when the national interest requires
bipartisanship, that, you know, everyone seems to want to take political
shots, and this not the time for that to happen.
SCHULTZ: Bill Richardson, great to have you with us tonight on the Ed
Show, I appreciate your time so much, thanks.
Let me bring in E.J. Dionne, columnist for the Washington Post and an MSNBC
contributor. E.J. the President came out in the last 24 hours and said
that justice will be done. Why isn`t that good enough, for the guy who got
Osama bin Laden?
E.J. DIONNE, THE WASHINGTON POST: You know, there are times when I wonder
and maybe this is unfair, that if President Obama dropped a nuclear weapon
on someone, the response on the other side would be, he`s weak because he
didn`t drop two or three or five. I mean, the fact to the matter is that -
- what Ambassador Richardson just said is very important.
Go back to the first President Bush. When Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait,
he didn`t start to hit back the next week, he didn`t hit back the next
month, he took months to do two things, to build up American forces in the
region and to build a very broad coalition and support. What President
SCHULTZ: President Obama gets none of that. Yeah, President Obama gets no
room at all to do that.
DIONNE: Well, I think that the time is so partisan, and the, you know, the
attitude is, that if Obama does "X", the opposite of "X" must be true and
it`s a real problem. And again, you go back to that...
DIONNE: ... that first war, a lot of Democrats voted against the war in
Congress, it was real debate, it was an open debate...
DIONNE: ... but because the way of Bush handled it, he didn`t make it
partisan. We came together after that and we were far more unified. And
what Obama is doing right now is -- and I know, it is said he doesn`t have
a strategy. He`s got a very clear strategy. We don`t want this to turn...
DIONNE: ... into a Sunni-Shia battle, he`s trying to get all of the Sunnis
who are against the horror of ISIS to come with us, so this thing can work.
SCHULTZ: E.J., what`s you`re reaction to Phil Robertson`s comment,
"Convert or kill"? The convert or kill plan?
DIONNE: Well I guess my first reaction is -- I don`t care if Fox News
thinks he`s an expert, I don`t particularly care what Phil Robertson says.
But when you think about it, that is so antithetical to the ideas that the
United States is propounded in the world. What do we stand for? We stand
for religious freedom and religious toleration and openness.
And the very thing we are trying to do in the world is unite people across
religious lines, Christian views, Muslims and others who are opposed to
this, if I can use the term religious totalitarianism. And so, why Fox --
other than the fact that Duck Dynasty, the show has good ratings had him on
their sand mat, I guess they have to answer that question.
SCHULTZ: E.J. Dionne, good to have you with us tonight here on the Ed
Show, I appreciate your time.
DIONNE: Good to be with you.
SCHULTZ: Former Governor Bill Richardson also E.J. Dionne, thanks for your
time. Remember to answer tonight`s question there at the bottom of the
screen. Share your thoughts with us on Twitter@edshow and on Facebook,
I`ll be podcasting about this subject tomorrow.
Coming up, caught on camera. A blogger is arrested for video taping, just
video taping a public Republican event. Later in the show she`ll be here
with her attorney to tell us why she was wrongfully arrested. But first, a
49ers player accused of domestic violence puts the new NFL policies to the
test. Trenders is next, stay with us.
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SCHULTZ: What`s hot what`s not? Time now for the Trenders, keep in touch
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The Ed Show social media nation has decided. We are reporting.
Here are today`s top trenders voted on by you.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The number three trender, Ted talks.
DIANE MACEDO, WCBS-TV ANCHOR: The Tea Party Texan took a swipe at the girl
while talking about border security.
TED CRUZ, TEXAS SENATOR: Listening to senator is like Chuck Schumer
lecture John Cornyn and me on border security.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m not listening.
CRUZ: I understand that Manhattan is very concerned with our security with
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No you didn`t.
CRUZ: But it`s a little bit different on 2,000 miles to the Rio Grande.
SCHULTZ: Cruz gets the Bronx cheer for his bureau bashing.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It is ignorance.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ted Cruz`s willingness to traffic in the outdated
stereotypes of past decades is disgusting, and is totally devoid of truth.
CRUZ: That`s kind of the AFP approach. We don`t do anything, halfway.
SCHULTZ: The number two trender, exposed.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A mass of hacking scandal.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But if you take a picture and it will last longer.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Racy pictures resembling celebrities surfaced online.
SCHULTZ: Scandalous celebrity selfies go public.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hollywood, A-listers like Jennifer Lawrence.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Rihanna, reportedly Kate Upton.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ariana Grande, her rep said that these are fake.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The hacker is allegedly obtained the images through
an iCloud leak. This is a flagrant violation of privacy.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They`re in big trouble. We have wire fraud, computer
fraud, and those crimes attached a lot of years in jail.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And today`s top trender, tackling violence.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The league is now toughening it`s stance on players who
are charged with domestic violence.
SCHULTZ: "Domestic violence and sexual assault are wrong. They are never
acceptable and have no place in the NFL."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Players will face a suspension of six games without pay
for a first time offense, and a banishment from the league for a second.
SCHULTZ: Another domestic violence arrest puts the NFL`s new policy in the
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 49ers defensive lineman Ray McDonald was arrested after
officers in San Jose responded to a report of domestic violence
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Since the year of 2000 77 players have been evolved in
domestic violence incidents.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ray, do you have any comments?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Simply put, we have to do better and we will.
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SCHULTZ: Joining us tonight, Terence Moore, National Sport columnist and
professor at Miami of Ohio University, professor, good to have you with us
tonight. You know, this story -- we were wondered how long it was going to
take. I mean the league clearly has got some issue but McDonald`s charges
come just days after the NFL instituted their new policy on domestic
violence. How could he have not known what the new policy is? And what
does this illustrate about the league and do they have to do more? Your
TERENCE MOORE, NATIONAL SPORT COLUMNIST: Well, I`ll tell you Ed, there are
a lot of bad things here and let`s start with this, OK? First of all, the
NFL obviously is going to have to change how it does I.Q. test when they
get these players, because how dumb can you be to be Ray McDonald, three
days after the commissioner of football issues the toughest penalty known
to mankind when it comes to domestic violence as far as professional sports
is concern to pull something like this off.
And if you look at his police report, you know, and it`s terrible. He`s
doing this against his pregnant girlfriend, that`s strike number one.
Strike number two it says, that involved him -- bruises on her arm and also
on her neck, that`s bad. Strike number three is, this guy is 6`4", 300
something pounds. You`re talking about a coward.
And the other thing is, even before all those happened with the
commissioner, months before that, Jim Harbaugh who is the coach of the
49ers gathered all of his players into a room and said, look, don`t even go
there because you`re going to get nailed. This guy would not be designing
space (ph) any time soon.
SCHULTZ: Well, Terence is this signal to the NFL that, you know, six games
ain`t enough. First time domestic...
SCHULTZ: ... violence offense maybe they need to get tougher. Maybe they
need to look at it one more time. What do you think?
MOORE: Well, it`s partly that and I`ll also tell you how deep this problem
is because look, this goes beyond Ray McDonald. This entire thing took
place at his birthday party that he held for himself at his home. And more
than half of the 49er team was at this party. Now, the reason I bring this
up is because you got all of his teammates now kind of playing the Sergeant
I know he wasn`t a keen of you, Sergeant Schultz from Hogan Hero, remember
that? You know, "I know nothing". And just like yesterday Vernon Davis,
one of his teammates was asked, he said, "What did you see at the party?"
And Vernon Davis said, "Well, I don`t, I mean, I was leaving the party I
saw these cop cars around, but I never thought to ask what was going on."
In other words, these guys are not holding each other accountable which
makes it even worst, and this tells you that even though Roger Goodell is
doing the right thing, he`s got a tough battle here.
SCHULTZ: What do you know about the league`s plans to educate players and
personnel about this issue? I mean what steps are they taking to rectify
this? You mentioned that the coach talked to the team, even in the team
event there wasn`t somebody there that was willing to step in and help this
guy out in a situation at his own birthday party. I mean, there`s a
disconnect here isn`t there?
MOORE: Well, there is. Well, let me bring up something else Ed, that`s
very huge here, OK? We can`t leave out what just happened here, the last
couple of day was Jim Irsay who was the owner of the Indianapolis Colts,
who was suspended by the NFL for six games, a fine of $500,000 for, you
know, for his various substance abuse problems. Driving -- DUI and those
types of things.
And a lot of people are upset with that because they didn`t think he got
slapped hard enough which is true. And I bring that up because if you got
a guy like that who is in the high profile position and even Roger Goodell
said this himself that you have to hold the owners to a higher standard,
you`ve can got to really nail them.
Now, defenders of Roger Goodell will point out and they say, well, first
time offenders for players, they don`t get suspended and they only fine
$30,000 or $50,000. This guy was fined $500,000 which is the limit that
you can fine an owner, but there`s also provision that says the Roger
Goodell could go to the other owner and say, look, can we up this a little
Even if they were to refuse and say, "No, no, we want to keep it like
this". It Mr. Roger Goodell look as if he`s really trying to do something
tough here and not only sends a message to the rest of the public but also
to these knuckle head players.
SCHULTZ: One more thing. The Dallas Cowboys last night signed Michael Sam
to the practice squad, what`s your reaction to that? Good move?
MOORE: Well, I mean let`s get this out of the way. You got Jerry Jones,
the owner of the Dallas Cowboys. He`s Mr. Showbiz, there`s no question
that a lot of this has to do with the fact that it`s about that, I mean
Jerry Jones is the only NFL owner that does not split in the revenues that
he gives from a selling his team`s paraphernalia. And Michael Sams jersey
sell in the preseason was number seven of all the sales.
That being said, this is mostly a football move. Dallas`s defense has been
awful forever here and they need this guy badly particularly in the pass
rush, and Michael Sam has proven during the preseason that he can play, he
had 11 tackles, three sacks. And remember, this is also guy who is the Co-
Defensive Player of the Year of the greatest conference on the face of the
earth, the SEC, also led the SEC in sacks and tackles for loss. This is
all about that, he needs Michael Sam needs for Dallas Cowboys. It`s a
match made in heaven.
SCHULTZ: All right. Although I`m a Big Ten guy Terence. Hang on, on that
greatest conference in the world stuff, all right?
MOORE: Well, I was worried, it`s all good (inaudible).
SCHULTZ: All right. Good to have you with us tonight. Thanks so much.
Coming up, police, they are caught on tape arresting a blogger at a public
event. What did she do? She joins us exclusively to give her side of the
story. What happen at this Republican event? Plus, there`s no place like
home, Eric Cantor makes his debut on Wall Street again.
Next, your question is coming up. Ask Ed Live at the Ed Show on MSNBC.
We`ll be right back.
SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. I appreciate the questions. I love
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question is from Kathy. She wants to know, "Why do righties say we can`t
blame Bush for the war in Iraq while they blame Obama for the aftermath?"
Bottom line is, they inherently have a hard time with history. They can`t
learn it, they can`t put it on the context because it`s just so easy for
them to grab on to bullet points.
Our next question is from Jimmy. He want`s to know -- interesting here,
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big savings. It`s a lot cheaper to go solar in the long run than it is to
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SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Thanks for watching tonight. You
might not believe this story. When Congress goes on summer recess,
lawmakers what do they do? They traditionally have time to go back and get
in touch with their constituents. They host town hall meetings or campaign
events in their home districts, to hear from voters and remind folks that,
you know what? It`s all about you.
It`s a staple of our democracy unless you`re at a Republican event in
Dawsonville, Georgia where a citizen journalist was dragged out simply for
recording. Atlanta`s NBC station, WXIA has the story.
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NYDIA TISDALE, CITIZEN-JOURNALIST FROM ROSWELL: I`ve got this bruise where
the deputy was pushing his thumb.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A week later, Nydia Tisdale is still in pain. She was
arrested while covering this public political rally in Dawson County last
TISDALE: Aww (ph), that hurts. You`re hurting me.
He slams me up against the counter top and bends me over.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tisdale says she had permission to shoot video, and for
several minute, she was there recording the political speeches. It`s not
clear when her presence was no longer welcome but it appears to begin when
the insurance commissioner Ralph Hudgens, when he makes this joke about
Democratic senate candidate Michelle Nunn.
RALPH HUDGENS, INSURANCE COMMISSIONER: And I thought I was going to
absolutely puke listening to her. I mean, I don`t know why you`re video
taping but yes I`ve said that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was later asked to leave but she refused. Finally,
she was forcibly removed by this Dawson County Sheriff`s Deputy.
TISDALE: It`s traumatic. It`s emotional. I was doing absolutely nothing
wrong. I had a video camera and to use that much force.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In the video, you can see Dawson County GOP Chairwoman
Linda Clay Umberger walk out because she`s so upset.
LINDA CLAY UMBERGER, GOP CHAIRWOMAN: I am sorry that people are treating
you this way. This is wrong.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Outrages at best. Joining me is citizen journalist, Nydia
Tisdale and also her lawyer, William Finch, great to have both of you with
Nydia, what were you doing to get arrested? Now, I know you just said on
that package tour that you weren`t doing anything but I want to hear you
say. You know, what happened? Why were you arrested?
TISDALE: I was sitting at the rally and video recording the speakers, the
stump speeches and someone didn`t want me to record and grabbed me and
pushed me out and arrested me. It was...
SCHULTZ: And, you had been given permission to record, is that correct?
TISDALE: Yes, I spoke to an owner when I first arrive, Mrs. Kathy Burt and
she offered me pumpkin pie and I explain what I do, I follow the candidates
along the campaign trail. I film debates, I film meet and greets, and
rallies and I post them on YouTube and -- then I link to them and put them
on my website which is called about -- presize.com and also put on Facebook
and on Twitter so that the voters can hear from their candidates and try to
make an educated decision.
SCHULTZ: So, to be very clear, you weren`t doing anything here that you
haven`t done before? You want boisterous, you weren`t using profanity, you
weren`t making a scene -- none of that was taking place, correct?
TISDALE: Correct. And three weeks earlier I had found a similar rally in
the City of Roswell where the same candidates, legislative candidates were
present and I filmed unfettered. I have actually a very nice video that I
put on YouTube from that rally in Roswell.
SCHULTZ: Mr. Finch, the arresting officer was later cleared of any wrong
doing. First of all, what`s your response to that and were your client`s
right violated here?
WILLIAM FINCH, NYDIA`S LAWYER: Well, we think, first of all that this
investigation that took place was rather quickly done, and there were 75
people or more that were present at Burt`s Farm and this investigation
concluded within two days of it being announced. And I believe there are
only two witnesses that are listed on the police report. I think that`s
premature, and as to the second part of your question. Yes, I believe my
client`s rights were violated.
SCHULTZ: So what`s your course of action now?
FINCH: Well, we`ll be defending her in the State Court of Dawson County on
the criminal charges and we expect to file federal suits.
SCHULTZ: The Governor of Georgia, Nathan Deal was there. I`m told he was
in the front row, number one, is that correct?
SCHULTZ: And do you think he should have taken action Nydia, what about
TISDALE: Nydia. I don`t hold him responsible. It was some campaign staff
or handler, one of the people on the entourage, his name is Clint Bearden
who came and told me I had to turn my camera off or leave. And he did not
introduce himself. I don`t know his name. I did know by what legal
authority he had over me.
And then another unnamed person likewise came up and made the same order
and before I could even respond, this unnamed man had my arm twisted behind
my back and was pushing me out of the tent. And then, we went up into the
barn, he pushed me into this store area. He slams me up against the
counter top, bent me over and my camera was still rolling as you probably
seen the video of it.
And, he pushed his body up into my body and eventually wrestled the camera
out of my hand and grab my other hand and pushed it, twisted it behind my
back as well and he was there for quite sometime. I kept asking, "What is
your name sir? Identify yourself", he did not provide any of that
information. I had no knowledge of who he was, by what authority he had to
remove me or to ask me to stop recording, because I`ve already spoken to
the owner when I first arrived and several of the candidates and no one
objected to me video recording.
SCHULTZ: What does this say Nydia about this kind of treatment? What does
it say about the Republican Party there in Georgia?
TISDALE: I don`t know what it says about the Republican Party, Mr. Schultz
but I think the campaign stuff gets a little over zealous, and over
protective of their candidate, and I wasn`t a threat to anyone. I`m simply
there with a video camera. It`s a little tiny video camera and to treat me
with that much force, to shove me out of a campaign rally that was
advertised its open to the public in the local newspaper and also on
It was uncalled for, it was terrifying and this is in a farm in Dawson
County, a Pumpkin Patch where kids go to buy pumpkins and take hay rides.
So, I certainly didn`t feel like I was under any threat of being assaulted
in a Pumpkin Patch, when it wasn`t even Halloween, it was absolutely
terrifying. I thought I would be safe in a place like that.
SCHULTZ: Nydia, let`s see that camera again, hold that up. I mean that
somewhat of a -- most people don`t have those kinds of cameras unless
they`re going to use it for some kind of a professional work. Mr. Finch,
it`s very clear what your client was doing and she`s got a pattern of doing
this. What are your chances of being successful in reopening this
investigation and having some justice on this, seeing that from the
evidence, from what I can see, Nydia was somewhat brutalized?
FINCH: Well, I won`t see how we will ever be successful with investigation
that`s taking place so far. I mean it was conducted by Sheriff Billy
Carlisle in Dawson County. I don`t foresee any success there. Now, if
you`re going to ask, if an outside agency will come in and reach a
different conclusion I think that can happen.
SCHULTZ: OK. Keep up the good work. This is what America is all about.
You`re suppose to be able to go on the crowds and do whatever you want and,
you know, within the law which you clearly did, and they give you no reason
as to why you were arrested. It`s really a travesty that this unfolded.
Nydia Tisdale, thank you for joining us tonight. William Finch, her
representative, I appreciate your time as well.
Coming up, fast food workers nationwide plan for their biggest protest yet.
Stick around, we`ll be right back on the Ed Show.
SCHULTZ: And in Pretenders tonight, Home Sweet Home. Eric Cantor. Cantor
may have been booted from Congress, but his job hasn`t changed. On
Tuesday, he announced he`ll officially be on Wall Street`s payroll. Cantor
is doubling his congressional salary and enjoying a hefty signing bonus.
Eric Cantor has always gone bad (ph) for the big banks. He`s vowed to
disarm the consumer protections in Dodd-Frank.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ERIC CANTOR, FORMER U.S. REPRESENTATIVE: We want to help you continue to
lead for America, that`s means we got to do our part when you see the
implementation of Dodd-Frank coming at you, well, like a barreling train.
We want to help control that and so that we can now get some sensible,
sensible follow up to that legislation that`s very trouble.
The Republicans that our growth agenda are very focused on stopping
regulations that negatively impacted people who want to create growth.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Cantor vilified anyone who stood up to corporate greed. He
labeled protesters, mobs.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CANTOR: I, for one, am increasingly concerned about the growing mobs
occupying Wall Street and the other cities across the country.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: The cushy banking gig isn`t a new job, it`s a home coming. If
Eric Cantor wants us to believe he wasn`t working for Wall Street from the
moment he walked in the Congress, he can keep on pretending.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
OBAMA: All across the country right now, there`s a national movement going
on, made up of fast food workers, organizing to lift wages so they can
provide for their families with pride and dignity. There is no denying a
simple truth. America deserves a raise.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. On Monday, President Obama
highlighted the national movement of fast food workers demanding higher
wages. Tomorrow, workers will go on strike at restaurants in roughly 150
cities across this country. This time around, workers seeking a $15 an
hour wage are ready to get arrested in acts of civil disobedience as a way
to step on pressure on the fast food chains. We`ll be following the
strikes tomorrow. Be sure to join us for the latest.
Joining us tonight, Jennifer Epps-Addison, Executive Director of Wisconsin
Jobs, who will be out, reporting tomorrow for us in Milwaukee and also with
us tonight, Larry Cohen president of the Communication Workers of America.
Jennifer you first, what are your expectations tomorrow? What do you think
this has going to do?
JENNIFER EPPS-ADDISON, WISCONSIN JOBS NOW: I`m looking forward to the
biggest strikes, this movement has seen yet. We`ve got a 150 cities
including 14 here in Wisconsin who are going out on strike tomorrow. And,
I think it`s very telling, three days after President Obama came to
Milwaukee and said that if he was a service worker he would want a union.
In Wisconsin we`re seeing our biggest response yet, and we`re seeing more
and more workers on the ground taking up arms, ready to go on strike and to
do whatever it takes for their $15 an hour and the right to form a union.
SCHULTZ: Larry, is this long overdue? Mr. Cohen, what do you think of
LARRY COHEN, CWA PRESIDENT : Yeah, long overdue and I think for the rest
of us who aren`t fast food workers, our job is to stand up and protect
those workers who are standing up for their rights. Because the fact is,
it affects the entire economy. The wages in the U.S. are far too low,
working people of all types have far to -- few rights and as a result, the
demand side of economy is depressed.
So, fast food workers are leading the way amazingly, it`s not just them --
it`s Walmart workers, it`s Committee for a Better Banks. It`s all kinds of
people in this country who want to organize, who want to say to this
President, we`re ready to join the union. We hope the government will
stand up and support our rights.
SCHULTZ: The Service Employee International Union, are they are
encouraging home care workers, Jennifer to march along side the fast food
workers? I mean, could this be the start of a real push that this county
has never seen in years? What do you think?
EPPS-ADDISON: It absolutely is. When you look at victories that have
happen already, the raises in the minimum wage, when you`re seeing the
power that workers are building, you know that this is a new forefront for
organized labor. And I really, you know, focused on this idea of organized
labor, because what I`ve seen out of these fast food workers is nothing
short of the best organizing I`ve seen in all of my years, in all of my
years being an organizer.
These folks are in the office everyday. They`re going out to job sites
talking to workers there. When I left the office today they were out there
making confirmation calls for strikers. This is a real movement and we
think our brothers and sisters...
EPPS-ADDISON: ... in organized labor, whether that`s Ask Me or CWA or SEIU
for supporting a whole new generation of labor activist.
SCHULTZ: And Jennifer, why are people willing to get arrested for this?
Why -- is it come to that?
EPPS-ADDISON: Well, I was honored enough to be at the fast food workers
convention in Chicago. And, table after table, people said, "We`re ready
to do whatever it takes. We`re here to standup for our families and for
our children." You have to remember that they are, you know, hardworking
Americans who are getting up and going to work everyday, trying to survive
on $7.25, nobody can support us, our family on $7.25.
And when you see the corporation you work for, raking in billions of
dollars in profits, and yet paying you a poverty wage. You know something
has to happen and these workers have had enough. They`re ready to do
whatever it takes and we have to be willing to stand with them and demand a
fair economy that works for everyone, not just the wealthy and the
SCHULTZ: What kind of impact can this have Mr. Cohen? And your thoughts
on people at a point where they`re willing to say, "Hey, I`ll go ahead and
COHEN: I think it can be a spark for, you know, millions of workers who
have no rights on the job, who don`t have any collective bargaining. I
mean this slogan is $15 and a union. It`s not just the minimum wage
campaign. It`s a campaign about rights on the job, and some of these
companies that on these fast food enterprises, they`re wealthiest in the
They hide behind franchisers, and what we`re all saying to them whether
we`re a fast food worker or not, is that we`re ready to standup and fight
back and cross this country so that workers in this country have a voice.
That`s what Labor Day should`ve been about. That`s what we`re ready to
make it about as we move forward.
SCHULTZ: This is very important after Labor Day before the election, isn`t
it Mr. Cohen?
COHEN: Yeah, absolutely I mean, this election should be about, what kind
of economy do we want in America not just what kind of economy does Wall
Street want for us. And this is an opportunity to more than a 150 cities,
not just for those fast food workers but for all of those supporting them
which should be all of us to say, we`re ready to make a difference and
that`s what we`re doing tomorrow.
SCHULTZ: All right. We will have coverage of this tomorrow from numerous
locations around the country to see how this all unfolds. Jennifer Epps-
Addison, Larry Cohen, great to have both of you with us tonight. I
appreciate your time. We`ll be back tomorrow with a story.
That`s the Ed Show. I`m Ed Schultz.
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