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September 8, 2014

Guest: Angela Rye, Zerlina Maxwell, Terry O`Neill, Rani Whitfield, Kent
Conrad, Sarah Slamen

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Assaulting his now wife.

RAY RICE, BALTIMORE RAVENS, NFL: Her pain is my pain. My pain is her

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Rice received only a two-game suspension which led NFL
Commissioner Roger Goodell last week to say he didn`t get it right.

RICE: This thing happened with me and my wife, you know, everybody
questioned, you know, what happened.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This video was released by TMZ Sports showing that
domestic violence incident.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The Ravens have terminated running back Ray Rice who
signed back this afternoon.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Suspended indefinitely by the NFL.

RICE: You know, it`s something I have to live for the rest of -- I have to
live with the rest of my life.


ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good to have you with us tonight folks. Thanks
for watching.

We start with breaking news. The Baltimore Ravens and the NFL have cut
their ultra running back Ray Rice.

This morning, new shocking video or at least a video that had not been
revealed of Ray Rice knocking out his then fianc‚e in Atlantic City casino
elevator surfaced via TMZ. Now, the video is violent, it`s brutal, it`s
disturbing and it is the story and it`s forcing a man out of the NFL. But
it`s important to show this to keep it all in perspective.

As you just saw, Ray Rice knocked out his fianc‚e. You also see Rice
dragging her unconscious body out of the elevator doors as bystanders of
the hotel and hotel officials come to the scene.

Now with the surfacing of this video tape, the Baltimore Ravens have cut
Ray Rice from the ball club. A short time ago, a tweet from the NFL
spokesman said, "Roger Goodell." the commissioner, ". announced that based
on new video evidence that became available today, he has indefinitely
suspended Ray Rice." In response to calls for a stronger punishment, the
NFL said, "The video was not made available to us and no one in our office
has seen it until today."

OK. What kind of investigation was this? Somebody in the NFL ought to
speak up and tell us exactly how thorough it was. This could be a game
changer when it comes to domestic violence all throughout this country. A
team has taken a stand without league interference or in coordination with
the league. That`s probably how it came down.

A sheer speculation here, it would seem to me that the Baltimore Ravens
said, "You know, we`re going to handle this because we live in Baltimore
and we have our fans and we have our image and we all know that the
National Football League is big on image." And then the league, to make
sure that nobody else is going to pick up this all pro-running back, made
sure that he is going to be suspended indefinitely.

Now I`m sure the Ravens because there`s always a football calculation, the
Ravens are sitting there and saying, "Well, if we let this great running
back go, how do we know he`s not going to be competing against us later?"
So I`m speculating tonight, I do believe that there was a real league
effort here to take care of this as quickly as possible when this video
tape surfaced.

Now Roger Goodell said that he blew it. Well, he blew it again because now
we find out that the thorough investigation is not there. That this video
tape should have been made available, it should have been rendered in
judgment and we shouldn`t be at this juncture today.

Joining me tonight Zerlina Maxwell, Political Analyst and Contributor to, also with us Angela Rye, Political Strategist at Impact
Strategies, great to have both of you with us tonight.


SCHULTZ: You know, Angela, what kind of investigation was this? When I
first saw this video tape today and the story surfaced, as the first thing
I thought, "Well, the league shouldn`t be at this juncture right now."
Your thoughts.

RYE: Well, a couple of things, Ed. One thing we know for sure is that we
can count on TMZ for some elevator footage. We first thought some elevator
footage related to Jay-Z and Solange and with Solange just leaned on Jay-Z
folks are quick to talk about that. I have no idea why the NFL could not
get access to these tapes when they say they asked for them and everyone`s
in shock in dismay.

And this thing that I really don`t understand why in July when Ray Rice
apologizes for his actions? He`s been punished elsewhere. I have no idea
why the NFL would think that they might have even gotten right it then. So
of course Roger Goodell applies -- apologizes for it later but he shouldn`t
look to the actions of the NBA commissioner, when Donald Sterling took
actions that were harmful and would`ve cause the team, the Lakers -- I`m
sorry, the Clippers a great deal of pain. Why didn`t he say look at those
actions that apply those best practices into this particular investigation
and take prompt and clear action when the role was on the -- when the roles
are reversed earlier on as it related to Michael Vick, for example, they
were quick to punish Michael Vick for.


RYE: . dog fighting but not for a woman getting beat up in an elevator?

SCHULTZ: Zerlina, your thoughts on this.

ZERLINA MAXWELL, THEGRIO.COM: Well, I think the thing that bothered me the
most this morning was that everybody was pretending that this is new
information. We -- when.

RYE: Right.

MAXWELL: . two people get on an elevator and one person gets off
unconscious, there are only a couple of different ways in which that can
happen and we know she didn`t pass out on her own. He admitted that he hit
her and she was unconscious. So with the.

SCHULTZ: So why wasn`t the league more curious about how.

MAXWELL: Exactly.

SCHULTZ: . did she get unconscious?

MAXWELL: Exactly. Not only were they not curious but they took an active
role, particularly the Baltimore Ravens in blaming her for being
unconscious and blaming her for her role in this incident. And victim
blaming actually worked in this case where the public were like, "Well, we
don`t know what happened before on the elevator." even though we saw her
unconscious and if you put your two-firing neurons together, you can
conclude logically that once two people get on an elevator one gets off,
somebody was hit and knocked unconscious.

SCHULTZ: So, the league says they didn`t see this until it was, you know,
put out by TMZ?

MAXWELL: I just don`t buy it. I mean, even if that`s true, they had
enough facts to this point with the previous video and him admitting what
he did to suspend him indefinitely.

SCHULTZ: So are we curious as to who does these investigations for the
NFL? Angela?

RYE: Yeah.

SCHULTZ: I mean, do we have to now come to the conclusion that, well the
NFL is a joke. I mean.

RYE: Well.

SCHULTZ: . they say one thing, they put the guy on suspension for two
games and now, oh, wait a minute, we got a new video tape.

RYE: Yeah.

SCHULTZ: . we better mop up the image right here.

RYE: And yet, there`s a far longer suspension for someone who is smoking
marijuana and I`m not saying that one is right or.

SCHULTZ: Yeah. Well, I`m not saying.

RYE: . one is not. It is legal in some states. And I do just think that
at some point if you cannot execute an investigation properly for whatever
reason and then you hire some folks from the outside. That`s what they do
with legal council so they know how to do that when there are other issue
that they face whether it`s with the team or with someone in the
administration or whatever else.

They know how to move forward when if someone -- they know how to move
forward within external investigation if they are not properly equipped to
handle. And I think, you know, a lot of people have alleged today that it
was perhaps a cover up and we know that that maybe true because of, you
know, Ray Rice, his incredible record on the field but you really have to


RYE: . that you can`t -- you`re not allowed to tackle people off.

SCHULZ: You bring up a very interesting point. The credibility of the NFL
is going to be on the line here. You mean, this is as deep as their
investigation. I mean, if you look at this video tape, she`s lucky to be

RYE: Right. Right.

SCHULTZ: If he had been maybe an inch higher, who knows what the outcome
would have been.

MAXWELL: But, Ed, that`s the scary part too. It looks like he would`ve
dragged her off the same way if she was dead.

RYE: Right. Right.

MAXWELL: How do we know that he thought that she was alive?

RYE: Right.

MAXWELL: He doesn`t do anything but kick her when he gets off the
elevator. I mean, he drags her really like she is not even a human being
and I think that, you know, obviously we all projected assumptions on to
what we thought could`ve transpired on the elevator because we saw the
aftermath but it`s not a big leap to conclude like I said before that two
people get on an elevator, one leaves unconscious that the other person
knocked him out and he admitted it and they used the strategy of victim
blaming to take the responsibility off of him and place it onto her.

SCHULTZ: So, since this took place, since the Ray Rice ordeal unfolded in
his suspension, there was yet another player with the San Francisco 49ers.
Where`s the game changer here? There`s only going to be a game changer
here is if the players start acting right.

MAXWELL: Or if Roger Goodell or somebody after him convene (ph) and
actually takes in a really serious look at the NFLs domestic violent policy
but also the training programs and workshops that they have because
domestic violence among families is not something that`s unique to the NFL
but they have a unique role and opportunity to take.


MAXWELL: . the lead on this issue.

SCHULTZ: All right. Zerlina Maxwell and Angela Rye, thanks for your time

Domestic violence is a growing problem in America. One in four women will
experience domestic violence in their life time. An estimated 1.3 million
women are victims of physical assault by their partner each year. Almost
one-third of female homicide victims are killed by their partner. And with
those numbers, there`s no wonder that the National Football League and the
Ravens had to take action but it`s slow.

Is it enough and will it wake up athletes around the world and other sports
to reevaluate their relationships and their actions and how devastating
they are to the victim and also to themselves? I think it could make the
argument tonight that it could be over completely for Ray Rice.

Let me bring in Terry O`Neill, President of the National Organization for
Women. Terry, how troubling is this "investigation" now that this video
tape has surfaced?

outrageous. It`s really beyond troubling.

You know, the NFL, things that has an image problem, the NFL does and it
has a woman problem. And what the organization needs to do is two things.
In the short run, it needs to immediately begin providing serious services
for victims of domestic violence committed by those within the NFL.
Clearly, those services are not available. You have a football industry in
which men, young men are trained to be tough, trains to be very physical
and you cannot have that kind of environment and not have services for
women who experience domestic violence within that world.

Longer term, the NFL really needs to rethink the way it treats women and
the way it treats the image of women. Just look at all of the sexual
harassment problems that they have with NFL cheerleaders, look at the
objectification and sexualization of the women cheerleaders and you begin
to understand that the NFL has not an image problem but a woman problem.

SCHULTZ: So what would you suggest the league`s next move would be, Terry?

O`NEILL: Well, they cannot simply rest on firing Ray Rice. They must
institute services and it`s not about training the men although that`s
important, it is about providing real wrap around services for women.

You know, I took a look at their new policy and the policy is certainly a
step in the right direction. But one of the aspects of it really troubled
me and now, was when they talk in there about if a woman begins to recant
or pullback on her accusations of domestic violence that there will be
punishments for the woman who does that. That`s exactly the wrong thing to
do. That is the opposite of best practices in this area and so it`s clear
that the NFL really doesn`t get it quite yet.

SCHULTZ: Well, the NFL does extensive background checks and character
checks on players before they`re brought into camp and they had to go with
this combine, they know everything and they try to find out everything they
possibly can about these players. I don`t know if they asked them about
domestic violence or any kind of police record. I would imagine they do
that. But right now, this is a piece of information and there has been
another incident as I mention since this ordeal took place.

Is this good restitute, was this the proper thing to do to make sure that
he`s suspended indefinitely or should he have been kicked out of the

O`NEILL: You know, I think he should be kicked out of the league and not
be allowed to play football in the league at all anymore but it`s not
enough to do the background checks. You have to create an environment in
which women are not likely to be a problem.

SCHULTZ: So, you`re saying that the NFL has to get the message to the
players and they`re millionaires, you know, they think they can do whatever
the heck they want to do. They`re young. They`re bulletproof. You know
how -- the way it is and there`s a lot of good players. There`s no
question about that and a lot of good citizens in the NFL but it seems like
the message to those who have been involved in this is that, you know, it`s
OK. We`ll get around them. We got an attorney. You know, and the league
has to do something much greater and who knows what other leagues might do.

O`NEILL: Well, yeah. And the teams and the league, what they need to do
is stop circling the wagons to protect a perpetrator and that is exactly
what happened in the Ray Rice case. For heaven`s sake, it now appears that
we need to ask the question whether parts of this video were suppressed,
whether people within the NFL actually.


O`NEILL: . saw the entire video.

SCHULTZ: I find it hard to believe that the Ravens would cut a player of
this profile and the league office not to know about it. OK. And I think,
the league office said, "OK, you do this. You got to live in Baltimore.
This is your image and your town. You got to make a statement and we`ll
make sure that this guy is not going to be competing against you." because
I think there was a football component to all of this too and then we`ll
make the next move.

I mean, it would look bad for the Ravens if he NFL has to come in and
manage their team. And so, I think that this -- there had to be some
coordination there. There just had to be. The question is, what do they
do next time? And there will be a next time.

Terry O`Neill, good to have you with us tonight. I appreciate your time.

Coming up, President Obama is making a big speech to this week on the
threat of ISIS. Former Senator Kent Conrad will tell us why the president
can`t act along.

But first, a rare respiratory disease spreads like wildfire across the
Midwest. Dr. Rani Whitfield, he will join us to tell us what you got to do
with your kids.

Stay with us, we`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: All right. What`s hot and what`s not. Time now for Trenders
Social media, this is where you can join the Ed team. You will find this
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Ed Show Social Media Nation has decided. We`re reporting. Well, actually
you decide and we`re reporting. Here`s today`s top Trenders voted on by



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The number three Trender, Oh, baby.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The royal family said to expand once again a
speculation about a second baby has never been far away. The queen is sent
by Kensington Palace to be delighted with the news.

SCHULTZ: William and Kate announced a second royal baby is on the way.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The Duchess is finding out it`s not so easy the
second time around either.

days -- week or so. We`re obviously basically thrilled.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A new baby, boy or girl, will automatically be fourth

have a -- I think he`ll be thrilled having another small younger brother or

SCHULTZ: The number two Trender, foul lines.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Atlanta Hawks controlling owner Bruce Levenson
announced today that he will sell his interest in the team.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: An e-mail he wrote two years ago to fellow team
executive suggesting the Hawk`s fan base was too heavily African-American.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My theory is that the black crowd scared away the

SCHULTZ: The Atlanta Hawks owner calls it quits after an offensive e-mail

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But I think southern whites simply were not comfortable
being in an arena or at a bar where they were in the minority.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And that so, that make you raise an eyebrow towards the
ownership groups that exist within the NBA.

BRUCE LEVENSON, ATLANTA HAWKS OWNER: I trivialized our fans by making
cliched assumptions about their interests.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Fans, they are going to express their frustration
because they`re embarrassed by the way their owner is acting.

SCHULTZ: And today`s top Trender, outbreak.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just as kids are getting back to school, a mystery
respiratory virus is sending hundreds of them to the hospital.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The CDC now saying the reported cases may just be the
tip of the iceberg.

SCHULTZ: A back to school bug has Midwestern kids calling out sick.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Health officials suspect the cause as a form of

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Symptoms are like the common colds.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Cities like St. Louis, Kansas city and Columbus, Ohio
are all reporting the spike in respiratory illnesses.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In Colorado? More than 900 cases at children`s
hospital in Aurora.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The CDC is looking into whether there maybe a
possible regional outbreak now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think we`re going to have a pretty busy winter.


SCHULTZ: Joining me tonight is the hip hop doc, Dr. Rani Whitfield. He is
the medical director of The National Association of Free Clinics.

Doctor, always good to have you with us tonight. I`m sure that there`s a
lot of parents around the country.


SCHULTZ: You bet. I`m sure that there`s a lot of parents around the
country right now thinking, "OK, where is this going? How serious is it?"


SCHULTZ: What about that?

WHITFIELD: Right. Well, you know, first Ebola and now this and I know
everybody is scared but we`ve got to calm down first and just take control.

The Enterovirus is a very quite -- actually quite common, Ed. Ten to 15
million people each year are infected by Enteroviruses and in most cases
they`re self limited and benign.

What we`re seeing now is very unusual, very atypical for the Enteroviruses.
Again, you can have some very mild symptoms, you know, a sneezing, runny
nose and cough but those to develop the rash, the fevers and difficulty
breathing, you know, are having to be the concern especially those who have
preexisting respiratory problems. But again, these viruses are quite
common. It`s just very unusual how this epidemic has started and how it`s

SCHULTZ: Well, this has moved pretty quickly, hasn`t it?

WHITFIELD: Right. Yes, moved quicker than normal. Again, Enteroviruses
are very common. All of us who have had that intense summer cold and
that`s why this is close to Enterovirus, the second most common viruses to
infect humans, following only Rhinoviruses which is what we call the common
cold. And because so many kids are being infected and many of them have
gone to the hospital on these different areas it`s been quite alarming.

Unfortunately, there`s no treatment. There is no vaccines but we do need
to be aware of the signs. What`s not cool is that this presents -- in many
cases like the simple common cold, so most parents will ignore it, kids
will go to school and so we`ve got to teach some proper things to protect
themselves, to protect others around them so that it won`t spread if it
does happen. But again, this is a virus that does not respond into
antibiotics so we`ve got to raise awareness. We appreciate you for
bringing attention to this issue.

SCHULZT: It does not respond to antibiotics and why young people?

WHITFIELD: It does not.

SCHULTZ: Why young people?

WHITFIELD: Well, the young people`s - I mean, infants, adolescents and
teen`s immune systems have not been exposed to many viruses at this point
in their lives so they haven`t built up an immune system -- a response to
this. It can happen to adults but again, it tends and targets infants,
teens and young adolescents but it can happen on adults and particularly
talking to those who have respiratory problems like asthmatics. So we`ve
got to be careful with our kids who have asthma problems. And if they have
that fever rash or cough that`s recalcitrant you`ve got to call the doctor,
and if they developed any other symptoms and fevers that type of thing get
them to the hospital right away.

SCHULTZ: OK. To the hospital, are we talking about a real spike fever
early on and how to parents protect their kids?

WHITFIELD: A given way to protect their kids is by commonsense things. I
mean, we`ve got to wash our hands, you disinfect areas that maybe infected
because this virus can exist, there`s fomites or germs on other materials.
If you are feeling unwell, obviously avoid people, don`t drink after
people, don`t kiss, don`t hug, just avoid that close contact because that`s
how it spread. I mean, some very common sense things that we would do with
the typical common cold. But again it is epidemic. The way that it`s
spreading has alarmed everyone. I`ve heard some articles, a risk article
saying this is just the tip of the iceberg.

But again, I don`t want people to get scared. We`ve just got to be aware,
raise awareness and pay attention to your children. I mean this is a busy
time of year. We`re going back to school. There`s a lot of stuff. I
spend five hours on my daughter Rena (ph) doing homework the other day. So
she told I could be quite tough and.


WHITFIELD: . I think all of our immune system can be suppressed if not
getting the proper amount of risk. So we`ve got to stay hydrated. You`ve
got to rest well. And again, the simple things, washing hands, disinfect
areas that are commonly touched like toys and door knobs.

SCHULTZ: Well, what would motivate someone to say it`s the tip of the
iceberg? I mean, 12 states have asked the CDC to look into the rise of
these cases of this illness.


SCHULTZ: I mean, do you think we`ll see the spread beyond the areas that
it`s in right now if there - I mean, if we`re being told it`s the tip of
the iceberg?

WHITFIELD: Right. It could possibly be, you know, the areas now but
again, in most cases that it presents like the common cold so we`re not
sure. It could be a Rhinovirus like I said which is the common cold or it
could be this Enterovirus. An Enterovirus just means it enters the
stomach, the system to the stomach but many kids don`t have diarrhea or
anything with Enteroviruses.

This can actually progress to myocarditis inflammation to the heart,
encephalitis which is swelling on the brain and I`m not sure if those cases
have been seen yet but again, what would alarm them is that the rapid rate
of which this is spreading. And again, although it`s common this time of
year, the severity of the illnesses have not usually been this way and
that`s why people are getting a little bit scared, a little bit concern
about it.

So at this point it`s a little too early to make predictions about what`s
going to happen. How it`s going to spread but I could easily say that it
maybe in other areas presented as a common cold.

SCHULTZ: Yeah. Well, and finally, parents are probably wondering, do I
send my child to school? And you say don`t over react. We`ve got to be,
you know, very vigilant in the way we handle ourselves and what not but do
you send your kids to school?

WHITFIELD: You send your children to school. You know, we had to use
those universal precautions of washing our hands in disinfected areas.


WHITFIELD: . but we held every child out of school because of viruses and
no one will be going to school, Ed.

SCHULTZ: All right.

WHITFIELD: So we`ve got to go to school, just find out what`s happening in
your area.

SCHULTZ: Dr. Rani Whitfield, great to have you with us tonight. Thank you
so much.

WHITFIELD: Thank you so much, Ed.

SCHULTZ: Coming up -- Coming up -- You bet.

Coming up, Congress is back from vacation. They got some tough decisions
to make on fighting ISIS. Former Senator Kent Conrad is here with reaction
and we`ll draw on his experiences. He was one of the ones who voted
against the war in Iraq.

Plus, Americans got it right in 2012 but Mitt Romney doesn`t think so.
Pretenders coming up.

Stay with us and we`ve got your questions on Ask Ed Live next here on the
Ed Show on MSNBC. We`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. I appreciate all the questions.

And in our Ask Ed Live segment tonight, our first question comes from
Julie. She wants to know, "Will you be adding solar panels to your lake
home in Detroit Lakes, Minnesota?"

Well, the home`s 10 years old. I wish we had known about the technology
and how advanced it could be 10 years ago but of course, we don`t have it.
We`re thinking about it. We`d like to do it. We`re looking at the
conversion possibility. Of course, we did the story last week -- a couple
of weeks ago on we`re solar at the lodge, north of the border. You can`t
be 100 percent solar because there are clouds in the sky, OK? But you
could reduce your fuel cost and your electricity bill by 90 percent.

Our next question is from Pam. She wants to know, "Are you going to Tom
Harkin`s last steak fry in Iowa on Sunday?"

And that is a big, fat yes. I said fat because there might be a fat steak
there. No, I`m looking forward to this. Tom Harkin has been in the Senate
for a number of decades and this is the 37th Annual Steak Fry. We`re going
to be there with our cameras talking to the folks. The Clintons will be
there and I`m sure they`re excited to see me.

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SCHULTZ: Welcome back the Ed Show. Thanks for watching tonight.

Congress is back from vacation and war talk is on the schedule. Since the
beginning of August, there had been over a 100 U.S. air strikes on ISIS
targets in Iraq. Key ISIS militants have been killed and a number of
armory convoys have been destroyed. Air strikes are having an impact but
ISIS still controls large amounts of territory in Iraq and Syria.

On Sunday, President Obama said that he`s working on his plan of action to
take down ISIS.


get an Iraqi government in place and I`m optimistic that next week, we
should be able to get that done. And I will then meet with Congressional
leaders on Tuesday, on Wednesday. I`ll make a speech and describe what our
game plans are going to be going forward. But this is not going to be an
announcement about U.S. ground troops. This is not the equivalent of the
Iraq war. What this is is similar to the kinds of counterterrorism
campaigns that we`ve been engaging in consistently over the last five, six,
seven years.


SCHULTZ: President Obama will be giving a speech on ISIS the day before
the 13th anniversary of 9/11. Republicans have tried to nail this
president on every issue. You pick the subject and they`re against it.
They`re against the president. So, all these Republicans who have been
critical to the president in his strategy in dealing with terrorism, well
now you have the chance to support the president of the United States.


OBAMA: I`m going to be asking Congress to make sure that they understand
and support what our plan is. And it`s going to require some resources, I
suspect above what we are currently doing. And we...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is asking the Congress for a vote? An
authorization of your.

OBAMA: Well.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: . strategy. This is not a -- what does that mean by

OBAMA: Well, I`m confident that I`ve got the authorization that I need to
protect the American people and I`m always going to do what`s necessary to
protect the American people. But I do think it`s important for Congress to
understand what the plan is, to have by-end, to debate it and that`s why
we`ve been consulting with Congress throughout.


SCHULTZ: Throughout the entire Iraq war, Republicans were making the case
President Bush had plenty of authority. They should have no problem
standing with President Obama on handling ISIS. The president stopped
short of asking Congress for a vote, President Obama has the authority to
act without Congress, but I think it`s important to have members of
Congress on record.

We have a midterm election coming up in 56 days. Every American heading to
the polls should know where their current Congressional member and senator
stands on military action in Iraq. If need be, this country made the
critical mistake of not debating military action in the past.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This chamber is for the most part ominously, ominously
dreadfully silent. You can hear a pin drop. Listen. You`re going to hear
a pin drop. There is no debate. There`s no discussion.


SCHULTZ: Only 23 senators voted against the Iraq war. Of those 23
senators, only nine are still serving in the Senate today. The halls of
Congress have been silent on war in the past and it would be a huge mistake
to do it again. Both Democrats and Republicans are calling for a vote.
Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia is leading the Democratic effort in the
Senate for a vote.


SEN. TIM KAINE, (D) VIRGINIA: What I have strongly promoted is the notion
that the president should not engage in military action against ISIL
unilaterally without Congress. The tremors of the Constitution clearly
intended that Congress should have to give approval prior to the initiation
of military action.


SCHULTZ: Kaine is exactly right. It`s the job of Congress to make tough
decisions like authorizing the use of force. The president will lay out
his plan on Wednesday and then it should be put to a vote. Our troops
overseas should know their leaders and the American people are supporting
their fight against ISIS in Iraq.

For more, let me bring in Former United States Senator Kent Conrad from
North Dakota and also E.J. Dionne, Columnist for the Washington Post and
MSNBC Contributor.

Senator Conrad, you were one of 23 who voted against the war. Are the
circumstances that much different this time around?

FMR SEN. KENT CONRAD, (D) NORTH DAKOTA: Yes, I think they`re very

In the case of Iraq, we were told that we were going after them because of
9/11 and of course Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. We were attacked by
Al Qaeda led by Osama Bin Laden, not Iraq led by Saddam Hussein. So we
were really sold that conflict in a totally incorrect way.

In this circumstance, I think ISIS does represent a threat really to the
whole civilized world because they`re extreme, they are totalitarian.
We`ve seen this movie before. These people have to be stopped. The
question is how do you do that in a smart way? And I think what they are
trying to set up is a conflict that is between Islam and the West, between
Islam and America. That is not in our interest to have this conflict seen
in that way and really that is not the conflict. This is a conflict
between extreme Islam and the rest of Islam and the rest of the civilized
world. So there have to be boots on the ground but they should be Iraqi
boots and Kurdish boots and obviously, we have to play a role because we
have the airpower and the intelligence to help rollback and defeat and
destroy ISIS which I think is in the interest of the whole civilized world.

SCHULTZ: Senator...

CONRAD: We should let this become a conflict where we are the face of the


CONRAD: ... to Islam. That would be a big mistake.

SCHULTZ: Well, that`s what NATOs meeting was all about last week and it
was certainly a very important moment for the president. But, Senator, do
you think there should be a vote in Congress on extended action and the
president saying it may take more resources?

CONRAD: You know, I`ve always believed Congress should, beyond record,
when America goes into conflict and this is no different.


CONRAD: Congress of the United States should stand up and support this
president and the actions taken to protect this country.

SCHULTZ: E.J. Dionne, what are you expecting from the president`s speech
on Wednesday? He`s been criticized for not having a plan. This is it,
isn`t it?

E.J. DIONNE, WASHINGTON POST: Well, I think he laid out a lot of the plan
both in at the NATO meeting and then when he talked to Chuck Todd on
Sunday. I think that there`s a core argument here which is you can use
American power against the dangers we faced without committing tens of
thousands of American troops. The New York Times had a very good piece
that said, "Look, this is going to be a long effort." John Kennedy
famously talked about a long twilight struggle.

They are, you know, this is going to come in three phases, we`ve already
started the bombing campaign against ISIS. You know, the next phase would
be to arm an Iraqi army presuming they can put together unity government
help the Peshmerga, perhaps help the Sunni forces who want to fight ISIS.
And then the third phase would be do we want to take them on and need to
take them on in Syria?


DIONNE: But I think there`s a lot of realism here. No one`s talking about
an instant victory, no one is saying this is going to be easy and no one is
saying that America can do it alone. I think the president wants to use
American power where it can best be used but without...


DIONNE: ... committing large and aggressive American forces. That`s the

SCHULTZ: Senator, you were on the country before that vote, what it was
going to cost as a ranking member and chairman of the Senate Budget
Committee and we`re a war-weary country right now because of Iraq and
Afghanistan, how do we know we`re not walking into another financial
quagmire that would cost even more strife here at home?

CONRAD: Because this really is fundamentally different than the kind of
massive invasion we had of Iraq, at least to this point, that is not what
is contemplated and it`s not what`s needed. What is needed is targeted
intelligence, U.S. airpower and absolutely boots on the ground. But the
question is, whose boots? And I think it`s absolutely in our interest that
those be Iraqi boots and Kurdish boots and that we not fall into the trap
of making this a conflict between the West and all of Islam. That`s
exactly what these guys are trying to do. They`re trying to pasture this
conflict in that way and that`s not in our interest.

SCHULTZ: Is the president handling it correctly in your opinion, Senator?

CONRAD: I think the president has been very smart and very careful. And
they are being very successful now at rolling back ISIS in Iraq.
Obviously, this is not something you can do overnight because you`ve got to
put together the coalition that involves other Sunni states, Shia states,
other parts of the Islamic world who is repelled by these people in the
same way we are. Look, these are outrageous...


CONRAD: ... what these people have done. They`ve got to be stopped. But
to do it, we got to be smart.

SCHULTZ: E.J., finally, the president had said no boots on the ground. Is
he going to have to walk back from that at some point if this spirals out
of control? I mean, and then you look at what they control in Syria, we`re
going to have to answer the searing question here pretty soon.

DIONNE: Right. Well, in terms of boots on the ground, we already have a
small number of boots on the ground and I think if need be, he may send in
some more advisors for the Iraqi army. But I think he is very committed
for a lot of different reasons against sending a large numbers of America -
- or any American ground troops to fight this war.


DIONNE: And in terms of Syria, it is complicated and I think, you need a
stronger force against ISIS and the pre-Syrian army or something like that
who are oppose to ISIS but also oppose to Assad`s regime and that`s going
to take time.

SCHULTZ: All right. Senator Kent Conrad and also E.J. Dionne, great to
have both of you with us tonight, I appreciate your time.

DIONNE: Good to be with you, Ed.

SCHULTZ: You bet.

Coming up, Wendy Davis tells all in her new book. Now Conservative groups
are up at arms. We`re right back.


SCHULTZ: And in Pretenders tonight, binders full of delusion. Mitt
Romney, the failed presidential candidate says he knows better than a
majority of Americans?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In your heart, do you still think that you would make
the best president of all the people out there?

FMR. GOV. MITT ROMNEY, (R) MASSACHUSSETTS: Look, there`s no question in my
mind that I think I had been a better president than Barack Obama has been.
No question in my mind about that.


SCHULTZ: Well, Romney`s mind is precisely the problem. You see voters
didn`t want it anywhere near the White House. The former governor wanted
to destroy all of President Obama`s policies. Romney`s America would have
never looked like this.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: For now, over 10 million jobs, this is 54 month in a
row of private sector job growth.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Auto sales exhilarate in August on pace for the
fastest rate since before the financial crisis.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are seeing job growth everywhere from the largest
companies, thousand plus employees to the smallest companies.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The unemployment rate, 6.1 percent.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sales up as housing recovers, sales crush

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Affordable Care Act would still be taking, still
reducing the debts by a trillion dollars.


SCHULTZ: So, I`m not sure if Romney knows how to run a country but he sure
knows how to run to a talk show and whine.

If Mitt Romney thinks losing the presidency can gain him some credibility,
he can keep on pretending.


SCHULTZ: And welcome back to the Ed Show.

Last summer, Texas Democrat Wendy Davis made national headlines when she
waged a 13-hour filibuster against a restrictive abortion bill. Now, just
months out from Election Day, the Democratic nominee for Texas governor has
revealed she made the difficult decision to undergo the procedure herself
twice in the 1990s.

In her new memoir "Forgetting to Be Afraid", Davis describes terminating a
1994 ectopic pregnancy which was considered medically necessary. In 1997,
doctors told Davis her unborn daughter had a severe brain abnormality and
would be unlikely to survive.

In an exclusive interview with ABC`s Good Morning America, Davis described
how difficult her decision was.


families across this country, we made that difficult decision with as much
love for our daughter as can be imagined. Her name was Tate Elise Davis
and we loved her as we love our living daughters Dru and Amber and she
forms of course a very important part of my life.


SCHULTZ: Republican Attorney General in Texas Greg Abbott, Davis` opponent
in the governor`s race was sure to shred lightly in his response despite
his anti-choice stance. Abbott issued a statement reading, "The
unspeakable pain of losing a child is beyond tragic for any parent. As a
father, I grieve for the Davis family and for the loss of life."

Joining me tonight is Sarah Slamen with us here in New York. She`s a field
director for the Texas Fort Bend Democratic Party and also with us tonight,
Terry O`Neill, President of the National Organization for Women.

Terry, you first, this is a very bold move that Wendy Davis is making. Not
many people publicly talked about this. Not many women talk about this
traumatic experience and this very tough decision. Why do you think she
did it?

O`NEILL: You know, Ed, I can`t say why Wendy Davis did this but I will
tell you, women from Texas that I have talked to have said how grateful
they are to her. That they made her -- That her speaking out has actually
made them feel less alone. You know, when I first read that she put this
in her memoir and she was talking about it, I thought she is really one of
the most courageous politicians, male or female, in the country. But then
talking to people that I know down in Texas, it was really striking to me
that that one woman said, "I just", she has had an abortion and she said,
"I just don`t feel so alone now."

SCHULTZ: Sarah, do you think that this is going to have an impact on the

going to have an impact. You now, Wendy didn`t tell this story for
political reasons. Wendy told this story to help the rest of Texas get to
know her better and it`s just another chapter in her incredible story of
strength. So, it remains to be seen but I`m just proud of her, like Terry
said, as a Texan woman for telling it.

SCHULTZ: No political motivation here at all?

SLAMEN: I don`t see any political motivation. You know, in fact, Senator
Davis withheld telling the story when she set up for 13 hours and told the
rest of her story. She came across the story that was nearly identical and
proceeded. That was a moment as a politician where she could have squarely
put the spotlight on herself and instead she continue to tell our stories
that the House Committee would not allow us to keep speaking about at the
hearing. So I don`t think there`s too much...

SCHULTZ: So what has the response been to this in Texas from what you can
see among Democrats? I mean, is this going to motivate people to vote?
She`s behind in the polls right now by eight points.

SLAMEN: Absolutely. So I think when you look at the left of our party, no
one can accuse Wendy Davis of running from abortion at this point. On the
right side of our party, I think it`s, you know, clearing up this issue
once and for all. She has the authority to speak about this procedure in
healthcare access. No one can question that after this point. So I think
people are going to be enervated by it.

SCHULTZ: Terry, how do you view this? Was this a political move by Wendy
Davis? She`s behind in the polls and would a story like this generate
sympathy among women voters?

O`NEILL: You know, I don`t think it was political at all. I agree with
Sarah. I think that she has always -- this has always been a very much an
uphill battle for her to win the governor`s mansion.

I think, however, that politically, it`s a good thing for this to be out
there. I think women voters need to understand that if Greg Abbott had his
way. He maybe a very nice man but if he had his way, victims of rape would
not be able to terminate their pregnancies, victims of incest would not be
able to terminate their pregnancies. Mr. Abbott had said that he considers
rape and incest to be just another means of beginning a life and for him,
not matter how the beginning happens, that abortion must be criminalized.
He has personally participated in shaming women around abortion and in
stigmatizing women around abortion. And I think it`s very good politically
for Wendy if women in Texas start having a conversation about that.

SCHULTZ: How do think Abbott handled it?

SLAMEN: I think he`s handling a typical style. He tried to put out a nice
statement. The first thing his campaign did was attack and her and report
her campaign to the Texas Ethics Commission about her book tour. I think
again, it`s another example of them trying to keep Wendy Davis quiet.
During the filibuster that we all watched, you know, and ruptured in Texas,
they pulled up three procedural violations to try to shutdown that
filibuster, that were all completely made up. They understand now that
they can`t control this. They can`t control the floor of the Senate. They
can`t control the public marketplace of ideas.

SCHULTZ: I keep hearing that Texas is going to turn blue but if Wendy
Davis is down by eight points, how is that going to happen less than 60
days out?

SLAMEN: You know, I as a wonk, as a fellow wonk, I can totally respect the
polls but I think Nate Silver just had a pretty great article talking
about how are they supposed to induct it, who are they talking to? If
he`ll get Texas in 2010 to 2014, it`s a different state. We`ve had a lot
of people move in, we had incredible registration efforts.

I think that she conducted really close this gap especially when we look at
the land poll scandals that have happened to our Governor Perry and Greg
Abbott who`s been on the losing end of two core cases in the past weeks,
all of these 20 years of Republican ruler catching up with their candidate
while ours is continuing to lead.

SCHULTZ: Terry O`Neill, there had been a lot of big news stories over the
last 90 days. Before that, there was a tremendous amount of focus on
women`s rights in this country. Quickly, the polls of women in this
country about turnout for this November.

O`NEILL: Well, I`m hoping that turnout for women will be much higher this
year than it will be in 2010 and I think actually women are paying
attention. As you said, Ed, a lot of this election is going to be about

SCHULTZ: Sarah Slamen, Terry O`Neill, good to have you with us on the Ed
Show tonight. Thank you so much.

That is the Ed Show, I`m Ed Schultz.

Politics Nation with Reverend Al Sharpton starts right now. Good evening,


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