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September 12, 2014

Guest: Terry O`Neill, Terence Moore, Gyasi Ross, Joe Cirincione, Wayne

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to the Ed Show
live from Dallas, Texas. Let`s get to work.


STEVE BISCIOTTI, BALTIMORE RAVENS OWNER: I regret the people that loved us
might not love us anymore.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m not selling my Jerseys. I`m not burning my

ROGER GOODELL, NFL COMMISSIONER: When we met with Ray Rice and his

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I feel like there people who turn a blind eye...

GOODELL: It was ambiguous about what actually happened.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think that people are headhunting now but they
want, you know, Roger Goodell to just step down...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A source with knowledge of the meeting tells the ESPN,
Rice made it clear he had hit her.


BISCIOTTI: I`m sad for that and I`m sorry for that, but I`m not scared of

RHODEN: People will completely have almost forgotten this. That is what
they`re counting on.


SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight folks. Thanks for watching.
This is a story that the NFL wants to go away. But is it going to go away
with all the conversations that`s taking across America. The Ray Rice
story doesn`t look like it`s going to be away anytime soon for the NFL.
Today brings more bad news for Commissioner Roger Goodell.

Earlier today, a source close to the Ray Rice story told NBC News that Rice
says he described to Goodell what he did in the elevator during a June
meeting he had with the Commissioner. Rice says he accept responsibility
and admitted to the Commissioner that he had hit his then fiancee.

ESPN has four separate sources backing up this claim. One source told ESPN
quote, "Ray didn`t lie to the Commissioner. He told the full truth to
Goodell. He made it clear that he hit her and he told Goodell that he was
sorry and that it wouldn`t happen again." A second source said, "He told
the truth. This is a public lynching of Ray."

This directly contradicts what Roger Goodell told CBS News earlier this


GOODELL: When new met with Ray Rice and his representatives, it was
ambiguous about what actually happened.


SCHULTZ: Ambiguous, that`s a big word legally. Goodell also said the
latest TMZ Sports video was starkingly than what Rice told him. This
latest report comes after a law enforcement source told the A.P. he sent a
copy of the Rice video to NFL executives in April.

Last night, the Ravens took the field for the first time since Ray Rice has
been suspended indefinitely by the NFL. Some Raven fans at the game wore
Ray Rice`s jersey and continued to support the forming running back.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I love Ray Rice. He`s done a lot for Baltimore.
Even though I don`t condone what he did. I will never turn my jersey in.
Without Ray Rice, we would have never won the Super Bowl. I`m sorry that`s
how I feel.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I still love Rice. He`s a good man. He made a
mistake. What can I say? I still stand by him. I understand I -- feel my
family have been battered and -- but some people have to learn and some
people, you know, if you do something wrong. Sometimes you make up for it
and you may suffer a lot for it. Good man. He`s a good man.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I wore the jersey in support Ray Rice because I love
Ray Rice and I`m sorry. I don`t believe in abuse but, she struck him first
and any women who can hit a man should be hit back. I`m sorry, that`s my

JOE BIDEN, UNITED STATES VICE PRESIDENT: It`s never, never, never the
woman`s fault. No man has a right to raise a hand on a woman. No means


SCHULTZ: So this is where we are in America. We have a difference of
opinion on domestic violence. Depending on who you are and who you work
for, you can gather a fan base that will forgive you and say, "Hey, move
on. It`s OK." And we`re not really acting to force any changes.

It looks like some fans live inside an NFL bubble. They will stand behind
their team and their players at all cost. Meanwhile, other NFL players are
now the target of public scrutiny because of this Ray Rice situation. For
instance, San Francisco 49er defensive tackle Ray McDonald was arrested on
August 31st on a suspicion of domestic violence.

McDonald has not yet been formally charged. The 49ers have not suspended
McDonald and he played on the first game against the Dallas Cowboys last
weekend. Things look even worse for the Carolina Panthers. Panthers
defensive end, Greg Hardy, he was convicted in July on two counts of
domestic assault against his girlfriend.

Hardy has appealed the conviction. A jury trial is scheduled to begin in
November. On Wednesday, that team`s owner, the Panthers` owner, Jerry
Richardson became emotional when addressing domestic violence.


acknowledge an issue weighing heavily on our sport and our society. When
it comes to domestic violence, my stance is not one of indifference. I
stand firmly against domestic violence, plain and simple.


SCHULTZ: Richard`s sentiment, the owner of the team appears to be far
different from his actions. Greg Hardy continues to practice and play with
that NFL football team, the Panthers. He`s expected to play this Sunday
against the Detroit Lions.

McDonald in the 49ers -- well, he hasn`t been convicted and Hardy is
appealing his conviction. But you have to wonder how committed the
National Football League really is to combating domestic violence when both
players will be on the field this Sunday.

What is going to turn the worm on this story? It is going to be very
intriguing this weekend. Another weekend of NFL action, will this story
just fade away? Who`s going to keep it alive and what sponsor is going to
step up and tell the National Football League, "You know, you ought to
really take it real hard. Look at what you`re doing when it comes to
domestic violence. Clean up your act, change the rules, throw some players

Instead, what we have is a culture in this country. A fan-based, a machine
so strong that women go to football games with jerseys of the guy that was
the perpetrator. A jersey of the man that is now out of the League and
they`re supporting him to come back and they go so far as they say, "I
understand. I know he made a mistake."

They don`t talk about restitution and they`re not talking about the NFL
changing things. And until we get to that point, I`m not so sure that
everything or anything is going to change. The NFL needs to do more.

If Richardson, the owner of the Panthers is really serious, he`ll have a
personal conference one-on-one with the other 31 owners of the NFL and ask
them, "What do you really want to do about this?

Get your cellphones out. I want to know what you think. Tonight`s
question, "Do you think Raven fans who continue to support Ray Rice
contribute to the problem?" Text A for yes, text B for no to 67622, you
can always go to our blog at We`ll bring you the results
later on in the show.

For more, let me bring in Terence Moore, National Sports Columnist and
Professor at Miami of Ohio University. Also with us tonight, Terry
O`Neill, President of the National Organization of Women and of course the
National Organization of Women has called for the commissioner of the NFL,
Roger Goodell, to step down.

And I want to address you with that first if I can, Terry. Do you feel
stronger now more than ever now that there seems to be more contradiction
in the story about a meeting and what was said in the video tape?

Ed. I think that Roger Goodell`s credibility is going down by the day,
frankly. And I think that it`s really obvious that he is trying to -- he
keeps on trying to get the -- two things.

First, make the story go away. Do some things. Have a new policy. Try to
get this thing to go away. And second, if it won`t go away, he`s really
trying to focus this on just one incident, Ray Rice. But as you pointed
out, the NFL has a series of domestic violence incidents that he has
responded to very poorly. In fact, there are over 50 of them. And in all
of them, Roger Goodell has failed to exercise the kind of leadership that
we would expect from an institution like the NFL.

That`s why we are saying Roger Goodell needs to step aside and his
successor must appoint an independent investigator that will do a top to
bottom review of all of the domestic violence issues that the NFL community
has seen and offer solutions.


O`NEILL: And got to recognize there`s a problem.

SCHULTZ: Terence, where is the game changer here? Or was this just
another day at the office for the NFL?

TERENCE MOORE, NATIONAL SPORT COLUMNIST: Well, let me start with this Ed.
This goes back to something that I`ve talked about on your radio show
earlier this week. And it goes back to Janay Rice. It`s about these women
fans. It`s about fans in general. It`s the old Tammy Wynette "Stand by
Your Man" thing.

Just as long as your guy can play, he`s our guy. And I went through that
in awful lot of hearing in Atlanta, Georgia during the Michael Vick
situation with the dogfighting thing. If you are a person who dared said
anything about Michael Vick through that entire process, the majority of
the Atlanta Falcons fans here will look at you as lower than scum, OK?

Not the guy that was strangling dogs, electrocuting dogs, beating dogs,
killing dogs but you and it`s all because these people just want guys who
can help them play. Where -- on sound clip that you played, that`s what
one of the fans say. You know, "He helped us win the Super Bowl". Just as
long as Ray Rice has been one of the most productive running back at the
last four years, is able to play, that`s all these fans care about.


MOORE: It`s sad but true.

SCHULTZ: And Terry O`Neill, isn`t that a sad state of affairs for women in
this country to hear sound like that? I was really stunned that they would
equalize that out because this guy played football for their team in the
NFL, your thoughts?

O`NEILL: You know, I think two things. First of all, there`s an awful lot
of absence of information about the dynamics of domestic violence and
violence against women. And I think that you`re seeing that in some of the
things that the fans say.

Secondly, I think leadership matters. It is not the job of the fans to fix
what`s wrong with the NFL. It is the leadership`s job. It is the owner`s

You have the owner of the Ravens being interviewed and explaining that he
didn`t take action sooner against Ray Rice because he, the owner, thought
it was just an open-handed slap and that she was drunk and had her head too
close to the wall and that`s how she got unconscious.

This is the mindset of a man who doesn`t get it, doesn`t understand
domestic violence. That`s the kind of leadership that is the opposite of
what we need in leadership. And I frankly...


MOORE: I`m not going to judge the fans. I think we need to go to leaders
and say, "You can`t lead, then get out of the way and put in someone who

MOORE: Can I add some to it, Ed?

SCHULTZ: Yeah, go ahead Terence, go ahead.

MOORE: Yeah. First of all, Roger Goodell is not going to resign. The man
is making $44 million a year. He`s not going to walk away from that.

Having said that, as time goes on, I think right now is about a 60 percent
chance he gets forced out. And let me tell you this, Ed. I was talking to
a source of mine who worked in the NFL office for decades, OK? And he
knows Roger Goodell very well, and on the positive side, he said he finds
it very hard to believe that Roger Goodell would lie about whether or not
he saw this videotape.

On the other hand, the source told me that there is no way possible that a
video goes to that NFL office and somebody of import did not see that. So,
I believe what`s going on here is that old Ronald Reagan plausible denial
thing, OK?

Roger Goodell may not have seen that video, but he still had his underlings
see it and they told him exactly what`s going on. And once this report
starts going forward, I don`t think it`s going to be a complete report
because of the -- of all the things which talked -- about in the past, you
got two NFL owners basically in charge of this thing.

But will there be enough smoking guns there that they may have to force
this out -- this guy out. I think there`s a decent chance for that.

SCHULTZ: But the thing that`s so intriguing about this is that there has
been a pattern of behavior within the league that`s been accepted. And
this is the most high profile incident. It`s the videotape.

Now, even when -- 2012, the Chiefs linebacker, Jovan Belcher killed his
girlfriend and then himself, there -- I guess really wasn`t anything to do
about domestic violence because they were both gone. And suicide of course
overtook domestic violence there, but we have started with obviously
domestic violence and it turned into a murder and the statistic show that`s
exactly what happens in our society.

So, it is the tape in this case, isn`t it Terence?

MOORE: Yeah. Well, Ed, it is. And let me tell you something else here
that no ones been talking about. It sound like a minor thing but it`s the
major thing, all right?

Cheerleaders, NFL cheerleaders are suing the NFL or have sued NFL because
they`re beginning less than minimum wage. They`ve been treated like
slaves, OK? And the people who brought this lawsuit were the Raiderettes.

Now, I know something about the Raiderettes, I used to cover the Oakland
Raiders back in early 1980s and I can tell you, the attitude of that Raider
organization was -- and it was justified, a lot of the women who are
Raiderettes were just glad to be there close to the team, many of the
married Raider players, so they`ve felt that they could just take advantage
of the situation of the Raiders in the NFL.

Now that we`re in the era of Oprah, the NFL has got that same attitude they
had 35 years ago with a couple of Raiders and this is when it`s going to
come back to bite them and we`re seeing it right now with these women

SCHULTZ: Well, I would say that if the Commissioner makes it through the
weekend, he is home free and the pressure will be off. And it`s going to
take some sponsors. It`s going to take an economic impact on the League
before the owners move on this.

And the culture of the League is not to change the commissioner. Once they
get a guy making them billions of dollars, making sure things like this can
go away, they`re safe. They don`t have the culture of a revolving door.

And so -- I think it`s going to take sponsors, it`s going to take a fan
backlash which I don`t think is going to happen at this point. And Terry,
the -- Terry O`Neill, the only thing I see at this point is if women`s
groups get together and put social pressure on the NFL somehow, is that
going to happen?

O`NEILL: Sure. We are now engaged in this fight and we are going to stay
with it.

Let me just say this and I would urge all the football fans out there to
ask this question, which of the owners and which of the leaders of the NFL
asked the most important question in any of the -- whenever an incidence of
domestic violence happens, and the most important question is this, "Is she
safe and what are we doing to ensure that she stay safe?"

If that`s not the first question they`re asking, if they don`t ignore all
other questions before they answer that question, they`re doing the wrong
thing. And I`m hoping that the fans out there will demand that at least
that happens.

We need an independent investigation. Right now, Roger Goodell has got an
insider window addressing investigation and we don`t think it`s very
serious. But I would like for even that investigation -- Mr. Mueller
should ask the question, when did the leaders of the NFL asked if Janay
Rice was safe? Did they even care?


MOORE: Or did they try to blame her from the outset with alcohol involved
and she hit...

MOORE: Ed, can I add something to that point also?

SCHULTZ: OK, Terence, go ahead.

MOORE: Well -- going to add to this. That same NFL insider that I talked
to told me that the likely scenario here is going to be after this report,
it`s going to come out, that again, that this lady that got the DVD, she
never passed it on. And he said that the NFL just donate a large sum of
money to different women`s groups and heightened the awareness of different
teams and then call it a day in their mind. In other words, they try to
brush this under the rug.

O`NEILL: Right.

SCHULTZ: Yeah. Terence Moore, Terry O`Neill, great to have you with us on
the Ed Show tonight. I appreciate your time. Thank you so much. We`ll do
it again.

Remember to answer tonight`s question there at the bottom of the screen and
share your thoughts for this on twitter@edshow and at wegoted. Like us on
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you think.

Coming up, Republicans are fanning the flames of fear over ISIS. The Rapid
Response Panel weighs in.

Plus offensive and derogatory, the FCC condemns Washington`s racially
charged team`s name. Trenders coming up, stay with us, we`ll be right


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. We have some breaking news at this
hour, more on the NFL. According to the local Fox affiliate in Houston,
Texas, Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson, the star of the NFL,
has been indicted on a charge of reckless or negligent injury to a child.
The charges for the grand jury stemmed from allegations, Peterson beat his
young son.

Peterson`s attorney has declined to comment. Peterson practice with the
Minnesota Vikings this afternoon, they of course are scheduled to play with
the New England Patriots this weekend.

I am joined again by our National Sports Columnist Terence Moore. Terence,
this is yet another chapter, an embarrassment for the NFL. And this was a
story -- this investigation that was way under the rug. This comes from
nowhere. Did you know that he was being investigated by a grand jury?

MOORE: I don`t think anybody was. I mean, right now it`s raining men in
the NFL and not in a good way. It`s like a drip, drip, drip type thing and
here`s another one. This is another star in the NFL, not just any player,
it`s a star player.

If we start putting all these stuff together, you`ve got to think that the
32 owners who hired Roger Goodell are going to have to say them, "OK, we`re
going to have to have a sacrificial lamb here, because it`s not just Roger
Goodell, its also these other 32 owners who are allowing these things to
take place on their teams.

Because Ed, you know, I missed this before. Again, I can`t stress this
enough. These teams know everything. They`ve got the best security on the
face of the earth. They know when a player breeze, so they understand
these types of things. And for a guy like Peterson still playing, for Greg
Hardy still playing, for Ray McDonald still playing, it just told you that
they just haven`t cared up to this point.

But hopefully...


MOORE: ... this is going to wake -- open some eyes.

SCHULTZ: Let`s talk about that NFL security. This story wasn`t anywhere
and all of a sudden, the most prolific running back in the National
Football League is now being under indictment by a grand jury for negligent
behavior or for beating his young son. Doesn`t this speak to how the NFL
can keep things under wrap and how stories just simply do not leak out?

MOORE: Oh, I mean no question about it. It`s like we were talking about
yesterday about Spygate, the big story about Spygate with Bill Belichick,
the coach of the New England Patriots, illegally tipping teams to win three
Super Bowls essentially. There`s a fact that when the NFL gathered the
evidence of the videotapes and the notes, they destroy them, OK?

And then, before the Senate Judiciary Committee led by Arlen Specter, just
went and looked at him and just smugly said, "Well, I mean it was the right
thing to do." This is what we`re dealing with here. And, when you really
think about it, it`s very scary.

SCHULTZ: Adrian Peterson indicted on negligent injury to a child by a
Texas grand jury. That story being carried by a Fox affiliate in Houston,
Texas at this hour. The attorney for Adrian Peterson, one of the top
running backs in the NFL, has no comment.

Terence Moore, thanks for joining us tonight. I appreciate you staying

Still ahead, Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson says ISIS` threat to the United
States is over hyped. Rapid Response Panel is going to weigh in.

Plus Democratic heavy hitters and potential hopefuls are heading to Iowa
this weekend. I will be at this Harkin Steak Fry. It`s the 37th and final
Harkin Steak Fry, and it`s also got to open up to the field to 2016.

Stick around, we`ll be right back.


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SCHULTZ: The number three trender, The Thundering Herd.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ESPN College GameDay rolled into the City of Fargo.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Thundering Herd arrived again.

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will look like Saturday morning.

SCHULTZ: College GameDay returns to the North Country.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Loyal Bison fans lined in Broadway sporting their green
and gold welcoming the crew to Fargo for a second year in a row.

SCHULTZ: Touchdown North Dakota State.

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on the whole town.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you`re in Fargo, North Dakota you want this type of

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, yeah. That`s a yeah.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Energy of this team is got to be seen and heard.

SCHULTZ: Just win, baby.

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SCHULTZ: A bear hits the links for some high jinx.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Golf has been waiting for a final notice.

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the flag.

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SCHULTZ: And today`s top trender, poor reception.

Redskin is our fans.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s a -- the Redskin`s name is a dictionary-defined a
racial slur.

SCHULTZ: The head of FCC speaks out against D.C.`s football team name.

SNYDER: You`re going to have some people that feel certain way.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They say they`re honor us. There`s no honor.

SNYDER: And we respect those opinions.

MOORE: There are a lot of people who just don`t get it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are human beings. We are not mascots.

SNYDER: But I hope they will respect out opinion. The respect needs to be

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We want the logo to go away. We want Daniel Snyder to
listen to the voice of the native people.


SCHULTZ: We are joined tonight by John Fugelsang, Political Commentator
and T.V. Host and also Gyasi Ross with us, Attorney and Author of "How Do I
Say I Love You in Indian", also a very strong activist, great to have both
of you gentlemen with us tonight.

Now, this is a new twist. You have gotten to radio stations who carry the
Washington Redskins. Their licenses are being targeted by some activists.

John Fugelsang, is this something that could maybe put real pressure on the
Redskins in the NFL or is this just a sad bar story that might not go

JOHN FUGELSANG, POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: It might not go anywhere Ed, but
every voice hurt. Another log in the fire it helps make this flame go
brighter and -- that someone who`s only a tiny, the Cherokee, you don`t
have to be a full-blooded Indian to be offended by this.

It makes us look like racist bigots of the rest of the world and it`s the
equivalent waving a confederate flag around in the 21st century. It`s a
great way of saying, "I don`t care about your feelings." It`s an extremely
poor taste and if the Wampanoag Indians have known this would happen one
day, maybe they wouldn`t have fed the pilgrims back in the first

Every voice helps. And even if the FCC Commissioners words are an empty
statement, it`s damaging. And Dan Snyder needs to send Ray Rice a canned
hammer (ph), a box of flowers to thank him for making him the second most
loathed man in the NFL this week.

SCHULTZ: Well, Tom Wheeler is the Chairman of the FCC. He called the team
name offensive and derogatory but that public pressure was the best course
of action to get the name changed. It might be the best course of action
so far.

Sponsors of course are responding to some radio stations around the country
that carry the Redskins but, Gyasi what is going to move an NFL owner in a
select society of 32 billionaires that call the shots to make a move like
this? What will it take as you see it?

GYASI ROSS, ATTORNEY: Ultimately, as has been mentioned many times, it`s
going to be economic pressure. These things -- this -- look, it`s not the
Redskins alone. This is part of a overall composite of caveman behavior.
Cris Collins once said that -- he famously said that the NFL appeals to the
caveman and that`s all. And if that`s true, then Roger Goodell was the
best NFL commissioner of all time.

He`s the caviest of the caveman. He`s chapping (ph) the caveman, right?
He`s the guy who did absolutely nothing about serial bullier, racial
harrasser. Richie Incognito did nothing about the Philadelphia Eagle
safety, who called black people to N-word and did very, very little about
Ray Rice until the video came out.

This is the overall conglomerate of very, very cavemanish behavior and
that`s what`s needs to change. And I think that that what`s ultimately
going to drive a market shift that is going to cause change for the
Redskins as well as some of these other procedures that need to be in

SCHULTZ: Well, I`ve never done an NFL game back in the day but it sure
seems like the announcers are pretty well reeled in on what they can say
and what they can`t say because they all sound the same to me. They all
tell us how great these players are and you`ll never see anybody like this
in the NFL and that`s the best route ever run and a catch like that. He is
the best. And this running back`s one of the best in the League.

This tackle`s the best in the League. Everybody in the NFL is the best in
league. It`s like they`re being pulled. This is what has to be said and
the critique is very, very slim.

So, if you have got some NFL commentators who have said that they will not
use the team`s name on air, do Wheeler`s comments embolden other members of
the media to take a stand as well? And if the Redskins are not being
pressured by the League, why wouldn`t they tell to the announcers to go
ahead and use the name?

John, what do you make all of these?

FUGELSANG: Well, I think that, you know, these things move glacially and
let`s not forget that they`ve really haven`t done much about long-term head
injuries in the NFL. I mean they, you know, they say nothing about the --
ignoring the tape of this woman being beaten since last April. I mean,
these guys have to be dragged into the 21st century morality.

And every new voice helps with this. That`s why I don`t think there are
any empty gestures, whatsoever. You know that your ethnic group has been
marginalized to the point of extinction.

When you can name a football team after them but after an ancient racist
epithet describing their pigment, you`ll never see the Heartland Darkies
(ph) take on the Kennebunkport white leg, blue-eyed devil donkeys (ph).
It`s not going to happen.

But this is a sign that we are becoming more moral as a society. We are
slowly inching into the 21st century.

And if I was in the NFL Commissioner who needed some good moral P.R. this
week, I`d weigh in on this because the time has come.

SCHULTZ: Yeah. Well, we just played some sound earlier in this broadcast,
fans supporting the running back and question Ray Rice with the Baltimore
Ravens and our recent poll conducted by ESPN show that only a quarter of
people want the Washington Redskins to change their name.

It`s almost, "Hey don`t mess on my football team, don`t mess of my
players", I mean we have this mindset in society right now -- what are
people missing in the debate Gyasi?

ROSS: Well, they`re missing the same thing that they`ve always missed. I
equate this Redskins fiasco very closely with segregation, with Plessy V.
Ferguson where people were completely convinced that separate equated to
equal. And in hindsight we realize that that`s absolutely absurd, but at
the time it may have sense.

People right now think that this is somehow honoring us native people.
Meanwhile, there`s a lot of native people who are saying, "No this is doing
no such thing" and neither is this group of white men -- powerful white men
who were speaking for us and speaking for an interest and trying to tell us
in the words of Easy Rawlins that they`re peeing on our head and calling it
rain. We know that it`s not rain.

FUGELSANG: And don`t forget, this franchise was founded by the greatest
races in the NFL history and have to be forced by the government to start
using black players. This has been going on since the beginning of the

SCHULTZ: John Fugelsang, Gyasi Ross, good to have you with us here on the
Ed Show tonight. I appreciate your time.

Stick around. Rapid Response panel is next here on the Ed Show. We`re
right back.

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SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Thanks for watching tonight.
There`s a sale job going on folks, the day after President Obama laid out
his plan to destroy ISIS, the CIA assessment put the number of Islamic
State fighters across Iraq and Syria between 20,000 and 31,500 people which
is higher than a previous estimate of 10,000. Quite a difference.

However, the night after President Obama`s address, the Republican Party
started fanning the fire of fear. Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson told me on
this program Thursday, he has a different perspective from his party.


group is phenomenal. I frankly find it difficult to believe. Great powers
like the United States taking counsel of their fears is the first step to
destruction. We do not need to fear these people in the way that the media
and others are hyping it and people from my own party like Lindsey Graham
and John McCain.


SCHULTZ: Joining me tonight on a Rapid Response panel, Joe Cirincione,
National Security Expert. Also with us, Former Congressman Patrick Murphy,
MSNBC contributor who was the first veteran of the Iraq war to serve in
Congress, gentlemen, good to have you with us tonight.

Joe you first, why would the White House have the President -- Why would
the President give a speech to the American people in the next day, numbers
change of an intelligence report when you know he is looking for support
from the Congress? I mean the timing of this is suspect as I see it, your

JOE CIRINCIONE, NATIONAL SECURITY EXPERT: It is suspect but it`s perfectly
reasonable. We`ve seen stories for weeks now and fighters are flocking
into ISIS. So we would expect their numbers to grow. They have seized a
large block of territory. They now control the lives of four perhaps five
million people in those parts of Syria and Iraq. So you would expect some
growth. But Larry Wilkerson`s point is well taken.

Even at 30,000, this is a formidable force. It`s a well-funded combat,
hardened, very savvy force but this is not the Mongol hordes. This is not
the end of Western civilization. You can defeat these force. They`ve made
a strategic error. They have tried to cease and hold land. America is not
very good account of insurgency but defeating a small land army, this is
what we know how to do.

SCHULTZ: Well, as an American tax payer and as a guy who does the news,
I`m confused. I don`t know how good, how well-resourced and how dangerous
ISIS is. They`re growing one day. They`re not a threat to the homeland
the next day. We got to go to Congress to get more resources. Oh, if we
don`t have a coalition, we can`t take these guys down.

Patrick, are there mixed signals here or am I overplaying this? Have at

PATRICK MURPHY, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: Ed, you`re absolutely right. There are
mixed signals here and that`s because frankly, we have ISIS who -- they`re
a horrible organization. They`re a Sunni terrorist group. But right now,
they are in the battle right now with some Shia and including folks from
Iran that`s tying to pop up the Iraqi forces.

So, what I have an issue with is that you`re having folks down in
Washington from the Republican Party saying, "We need boots on the ground."
That`s a litmus test. We need boots on the ground. The air strikes aren`t
enough, coalition voting isn`t enough. And that is not the answer.
Getting involved in the middle of a religious civil war in Iraq and the
border of Syria is not the answer.

I understand we have to take them out but we need to have an objective. We
need to have basically an endgame and they`re -- isn`t really clear right
now Ed, to be honest with you.

SCHULTZ: Yeah. Well, there clearly is no endgame because we really don`t
know what we`re getting into. So I think the President -- National
Security people are going to say, "We`re going to do whatever it takes."
It might take boots on the ground, it might not. Nobody wants to put boots
on the ground, nobody. Not even military people want to put people on
harm`s way, but the fact of that matter is we don`t know what we`re dealing
with. At least that`s the conclusion I have to come to. So everything
should be on the table.

Joe Cirincione, there is no doubt that this country is war torn and we`re
weary of it all. And it seems to me that if this is such a bad group ISIS
and they`re growing in the numbers at the intel report says, why don`t we
say it`s a war? Why don`t we call it what it is?

It`s supposed to be in extreme counter-terrorism operation that`s taking
place. It`s almost -- Joe. It`s almost Joe, as if they`re afraid to use
Bush language here because they know it`s going to turn off a lot of
American people. Are the Obama people having the hard time calling it what
it is?

CIRINCIONE: Well, you heard these folks, people at the White House and the
Pentagon today calling this a war. The State Department is not yet using
that word. I think we should call it what it is. We`re at war with ISIS,
but I feel deeply ambivalent about this adventure and I think most
Americans do, I think you do Ed, and that`s a good thing. We should be
worried about this. We`ve seen what happens of military adventurism in the
Middle East.

The Middle East is a military sinkhole. There was no al-Qaeda in Iraq
before we invaded Iraq and created this terrorism and threat. Obama is
trying to clean up the mess the previous administration left, but he is a
reluctant warrior. He is not looking for this fight. The fight came to
him, the fight came to us, and this isn`t that the kind of leader that you
actually want, someone who`s stingy with American lives, stingy with the
American resources, reluctant to go to war and acts carefully building
alliances before we act.

You`re right. We don`t have a clear idea of how this ends. That`s one of
the reasons we`re preceding so cautiously.

SCHULTZ: Patrick, who are the Syrian moderates? Who are we arming over
there? Do we know how loyal they`re going to be? Now, they`ve got to
fight on two fronts. They`ve got to fight the Assad and they`ve got to
fight ISIS and they`re going to be armed by the United States and counseled
by us. We don`t even know who`s on our side, do we?

MURPHY: We don`t. I mean it`s really the Free Syrian Army, Ed. And the
problem Ed, is that, you know, they`re with us now they may not be with us
2 years from now or 5 years from now or 10 years from now. And us getting
involved in religious civil war -- and again, ISIS is a bad group. Yes.
According to the CIA that came out yesterday, they have tripled in size to
about 30,000 at the top level.

But still, you know, I understand the military industrial complex. They`re
pushing and pushing and pushing to get us engaged, get us engaged but it
can`t be a coalition of just European nations coming together to get in the
middle of this. It has to be -- the regional players there.

SCHULTZ: I know what you`re saying, but I think America has to realize
that the military industrial complex did not cut two Americans` heads off.
And I think that there is a real moral component to all of this that we
have to come to grips with, that this is what these people do and if they
are growing in size then I don`t want anything in limitation, we`re going
to take them out. I feel a lot better with that, but that doesn`t mean we
have to put boots on the ground right now. And so -- and I do think the
President needs...

MURPHY: I agree.

SCHULTZ: ... to -- he can`t rely -- do you agree with that? And if you
were a member -- OK. Go ahead.

MURPHY: Ed, I`d agree with that, but what we want to see as far the
American public is to make sure this is well thought out, because at the
end of the day, we haven`t paid for the last Iraqi war. We still have
29,000 troops including my cousin in Afghanistan. We have a suicide rate
of 22 veterans that commit suicide everyday.

We need to make sure if we do it, we have to do it the right way, and a
broad spectrum of American power comes to play here on a clear mission, a
clear objective and a clear end state and that`s what the American people
wants to meet in here.

SCHULTZ: And finally, Joe Cirincione, with the numbers that are growing by
this Intel report. Now, they`re over 31,000, can air strikes do the job or
is that as casual sex as one former military officer said? What do you
make of that?

CIRINCIONE: Yeah. Air strikes alone cannot win this war although you see
the decisive role they can play for example in Kosovo and in Libya but you
have to have the ground troops going in and holding the land and to do
that, you need a political settlement. That`s the course, that`s the way
the President is trying to thread this needle.

SCHULTZ: Lots of things got to go right. It is threading the needle, no
doubt. Joe Cirincione, Patrick Murphy, good to have you with us.

We are following breaking news on Minnesota Vikings running back, Adrian
Peterson. We`ll have an update next. Stay tuned, another NFL player
facing legal problems.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. We have some breaking news.
Problems just won`t go away for the National Football League. There`s
another star player in trouble. According to multiple media reports at
this hour, Minnesota Viking`s running back, Adrian Peterson, has been
indicted on charges of reckless or negligent child -- injury to a child.
NBC news has not independently confirmed this report. The case was
received earlier this year by Montgomery County Sheriff`s Investigators.

Investigators said that Peterson has been cooperative with them. The
Montgomery County D.A. told ESPN that Peterson has not been arrested.
Charges stemmed from allegations Peterson beat his young son. Sources tell
TMZ sports the alleged victim is a male child for Minnesota who is visiting
Peterson in May at his home in Texas. Sources say the child returned home
to his mother in Minnesota who noticed injuries and took the child to a

A short time later, the doctor contacted authorities in Texas to report
Peterson. Peterson`s attorney has declined to comment on the story.
Peterson practice with the Minnesota Vikings this afternoon and he`s
expected to play this weekend. We`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. After five terms, Senator Tom
Harkin is retiring in Iowa, meaning the annual Harkin Steak Fry is coming
to an end. For his final steak fry, Harkin has invited Hillary and Bill
Clinton to headline. This will be Hillary`s first visit to the State of
Iowa in six years. Clinton is the early favorite. A whooping 53 percent
of registered Iowa Democrats saying they would support Hillary if the 2016
caucuses were held today.

But Clinton isn`t the only Democrat on the radar screen, hitting up the
state with the first presidential primary. Senator Bernie Sanders has
plans to hold three town hall meetings in Iowa this weekend, and Vice
President Joe Biden will appear at the Iowa State Capital on Wednesday.

Joining me tonight is Wayne Slater, Senior Political Writer for the Dallas
Morning News, Mr. Slater, great to have you with us tonight. Is this the
kick off? It would seem to me that if Bernie Sanders is going to hold
three town hall meetings and Joe Biden is not going to be out of the
spotlight, there`s a lot of calculation being made in Iowa that coming up
on Sunday. What do you think?

WAYNE SLATER, DALLAS MORNING NEWS: Yeah. Let me tell you, Indianola, this
is politically the Thanksgiving Day parade before the Christmas season
starts. This is an historic event for Democrats, what the Republican Iowa
Caucus (ph) poll is to the GOP. So this is really a kick off.

And it`s an amazing thing to see Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton seeing
people at the last Harkin event where a steak fry is always been where you
want to be if you`re a Democrat politically. And this is the one where
there are going to be some tears for Tom Harkin because it`s the last one.

SCHULTZ: Well, Bill Clinton and Tom Harkin have been friends for a long,
long time and of course Hillary as well, but it`s out of respect if it`s
not out of politics but it is politics. And I mean this is probably one of
the most clear indications that Hillary is running, don`t you think?

SLATER: Oh I think so. I mean -- I think it`s one of these things we keep
asking, is Hillary running? She is running until she`s not running and
there`s no indication that she`s not. The interesting thing I think to
watch and I know you`re going to be there, Ed. The most interesting thing
I think to watch is how Bill and Hillary Clinton in this hot house,
political hot house of Indianola, Iowa act? He`s the big dog. He consumes
the room as you know.


SLATER: They`ve been with each other many times but in this case, Hillary
has got to show, she is the star, she is the one. And you`re right, this
really suggest, she is running and this is enormous respect that she`s got
top billing.

SCHULTZ: She did not win the Iowa caucus in 2008 but is she a better
candidate today than she was then?

SLATER: You got to think that -- you got to think that for no other reason
that political experience, not the political but the government experience
that she has. She`s obviously smarter. Let`s hope that we`re all smarter
after some of these events. So yeah, she`s a better candidate. She is the
center of the political universe, Democrat side right now.

SCHULTZ: Well, what about Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden? Could they mount
the charge?

SLATER: It`s going to be hard. It`s really going to be hard. I think you
know, you know, a lot of progressives, Bernie Sanders is going to be very
difficult to talk about things, but in the end, it`s Hillary`s I think to
lose, Joe Biden`s impressive, others are impressive but she`s really got
the credentials all across the board.

SCHULTZ: OK. Wayne Slater, great to have you with us tonight. I
appreciate it so much.

That`s "the Ed Show." I`m Ed Schultz. "Politics Nation" with Reverend Al
Sharpton starts right now.

Good evening, Rev.


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