The Ed Show for Tuesday, September 16th, 2014
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THE ED SHOW
September 16, 2014
Guest: Corey Herbert, Tim Ryan, Barbara Boxer, Terence Moore, Tiernan
ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to the Ed Show
live from New York. Let`s get to work.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: This is the largest
international response in the history of the CDC.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A 50 percent mortality rate.
BRUCE RIBNER, AMERICAN DOCTOR: Ebola virus has a new infection on this
SAMANTHA POWER, U.S. AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N.: We as an international
community get serious about addressing the public health, humanitarian and
security effects of this outbreak.
RIBNER: But our colleagues across the ocean have been dealing with it for
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The death toll is now 2,400 and climbing fast.
REP. JOHN BOEHNER, (R-OH), HOUSE SPEAKER: A serious threat, not just to
Africans but to others around the world.
POWER: This disease is preventable and this outbreak is controllable.
OBAMA: We know that if we take the proper steps, we can save lives. But
we have to act fast.
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SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight, folks. Thanks for watching.
We start with breaking news. The United States is going to be sending
3,000 military personnel to Africa in an effort to combat the worst Ebola
outbreak in world history. Today, President Obama traveled to Atlanta
where he received a full briefing by the CDC on the outbreak. A short time
ago, the President stepped out and made clear how bad the situation in West
Africa actually is.
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OBAMA: Hospitals, clinics and the few treatment centers that do exist have
been completely overwhelmed. An already very weak public health system is
near collapse in these countries. Patients are being turned away and
people are literally dying in the streets. Now, here`s the hard truth, in
West Africa, Ebola is now an epidemic of the likes that we have not seen
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SCHULTZ: President Obama said, "The world is looking to our country to
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OBAMA: Faced with this outbreak, the world is looking to us, the United
States, and it`s a responsibility that we embrace. We`re prepared to take
leadership on this, to provide the kinds of capabilities that only America
has and to mobilize the world in ways that only America can do. That`s
what we`re doing as we speak.
Right now, the world still has an opportunity to save the countless lives.
Right now, the world has a responsibility to act, to step up, and to do
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SCHULTZ: The President laid out a clear four-point plan to combat the
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OBAMA: We`ve devoted significant resources in support of our strategy with
four goals in mind. Number one, to control the outbreak. Number two, to
address the ripple effects of local economies and communities to prevent a
truly massive humanitarian disaster. Number three, to coordinate a broader
global response. And number four, to urgently build up a public health
system in these countries for the future. Not just in West Africa but in
countries that don`t have a lot of resources generally.
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SCHULTZ: The new campaign to fight Ebola could cost up to $750 million
over the next six months. By the end of the week, the military is expected
to set up a regional command post in Monrovia, Liberia. Liberia is the
country where transmission rates are the highest. The command center will
help oversee and coordinate international and U.S. relief efforts.
Here is the government`s plan of action. The Pentagon will send engineers
to set up 17 treatment centers in Liberia. Each treatment center will have
a 100 bed capacity. The military will be training up to 500 healthcare
workers a week in the region. The United States will also -- they have
their plans to send 400,000 basic Ebola response kits to Liberia.
The kits include protective gear for families along with gloves, masks,
disinfectants, and fever reducing drugs. And the U.S. helps to reduce the
Ebola transmissions from patients to family members who are caring for
Today, the World Health Organization called this Ebola outbreak
unparalleled in modern times. So far 2,500 people have died from the Ebola
outbreak in West Africa. Over 5,000 others have been infected. The World
Health Organization estimates 20,000 people could be infected in the coming
One senior White House official said the number could spike into the
hundreds of thousands. Things aren`t so bad Republicans are supporting the
president on this.
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SEN. MITCH MCCONELL, (R-KY) MINORITY LEADER: I support these efforts to
contain the Ebola epidemic and know that we`ll monitor this humanitarian
crisis in the weeks ahead.
BOEHNER: I think this Ebola outbreak in Africa is a serious problem and
I`m a bit surprised that we`ve -- that the administration hasn`t acted more
quickly to address what is a serious threat, not just to Africans but to
others around the world. And I think in the coming weeks, you`re going to
see the Congress and the administration take further steps to look at how
do we best contain this very horrible disease.
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SCHULTZ: The World Health Organization said Ebola is still spreading at an
exponential rate. They estimate it could take up to a billion dollars to
turn the tide against the outbreak. You know the word crisis gets tossed
around a lot in our new cycles there days. This is a crisis, it must be
And I`m sure tonight many Americans are asking the basic question "Is it
coming here? And am I going to get it?" For more on all of that, let`s
turn to Dr. Nancy Snyderman, NBC News Chief Medical Examiner and also Dr.
Corey Hebert, Professor at LSU Health Sciences Center, great to have both
of you with us tonight.
DR. NANCY SNYDERMAN, NBC NEWS CHIEF MEDICAL EXAMINER: Thanks, Ed.
SCHULTZ: Dr. Nancy, is this the perfect storm? I mean when you look at
the region of the country, the region of this continent, what has unfolded
and what they`re looking as far as resource...
SNYDERMAN: Well, it`s the perfect storm that we`ve seen a virus jumped
from animal to man, it then jumped borders. There are more roads down in
West Africa so that connected towns. For the first time ever we`ve seen
Ebola, not burned out in a little village but make it into a major
metropolitan area, Monrovia. And then of course, we had it jump countries
with air travel.
So this has been unprecedented in how quickly it`s growing and also the
modes of transmission. So this is -- these are the reasons why it`s a
perfect storm and why it spiraled out of control.
SCHULTZ: What are the chances of it coming here and being a major health
SNYDERMAN: Zero to none because we have a robust, sophisticated healthcare
system that if someone showed signs, that person would be taken out of the
general public, put in an isolation area in a hospital, any first - people
who come into contact would be watched for 21 days and the infection would
go away. And remember, the people who`ve come back to United States have
survived because we`ve been able to give them the supportive treatment of
IVs, monitoring blood pressure and heart rates. Those basic modalities
aren`t even available in West Africa so most people die of vomiting,
diarrhea, and then hemorrhage.
SCHULTZ: Dr. Hebert, how do we know that we`re doing enough? How do you
DR. COREY HEBERT, LSU HEALTH SCIENCES CENTER: Well, you know, having gone
to Monrovia and worked in those areas, I mean there`s a huge difference
between medicine in the first world and the medicine in the third world.
And most people don`t realize it, we know we`re doing enough because basic
sanitation and basic hygiene is really all you need but you have to have
the support. Meaning you have to have the logistical support to be able to
build these clinics and to be able to build places that the patients can
come and be triaged and treated appropriately, that`s why that wouldn`t be
a big deal here in the United States because we have those -- that type of
In Monrovia, that doesn`t exist. I mean dirty needles, no gloves, no masks
and then also, we also have to remember that when the dead are being
disposed off in a way that they take care of them in Monrovia, all over
West Africa, the people are becoming infected because they are interacting
with the fluids from the deceased people and the people who died from Ebola
virus. So we would never have that type of situation happening in the
SCHULTZ: So, Dr. Hebert -- training, what kind of training a lay person
all of a sudden gets thrown into the position of having to help the
community? What has to be learned and how hard is that?
HEBERT: Well, it`s not very hard at all. I mean that the most important
thing as like I said, support. But when you have the lay person that, you
know, they have to know the signs and symptoms. And the reason why this is
so out of control over in West Africa is because the signs and symptoms are
just almost the same as the flu. And so when you`re looking -- trying to
educate a population on it, you know, "Do you have Ebola or do you have
Those are going to be the same to a lay person and that`s why it`s so
important that the healthcare providers in the United States have to be
very aware of the Ebola virus and the symptoms as well because when a
person comes to the United States on an airplane, nobody`s really checked
for Ebola when they come here unless they have symptoms and if there`s a
little hospital somewhere in middle America where a person showed up with
Ebola and the doctor or the nurse practitioner, the nurse doesn`t know that
-- know the signs...
HEBERT: ... then that could be a real problem.
SNYDERMAN: Every physician in this country, when seeing a patient, I think
every physician has to say, "Have you recently traveled? If so, where?"
That should be part of a typical head -- a typical physical examination, I
don`t care where you are in the United States now. That`s how small this
globe has become.
SCHULTZ: Dr. Snyderman, and why the military? Are they the only ones that
have the muscle to take care of this?
SNYDERMAN: They`re really great at quickly building mass units. So our
troops know how to quickly build things, train people and expedite things.
I think the real question will be now, "Who`s in-charge?" We can move in
troops. We can educate people but I think we have to wait to see where the
U.N. Security Council comes in to say, "OK, what is the chain of command
all the way up?" because we are really guests in Liberia.
SCHULTZ: Can we do this alone? I mean is this coalition building again to
SNYDERMAN: Multiple countries have signed up today. You`re going to see a
global effort and I think hopefully, this energizes the conversation we
should have about the importance of global health not just public health
and I believe it`s the burden of wealthy countries to help the poor
SCHULTZ: Will the first allocation of money do it? Well, do you -- or how
confident are you that $750 million and 3,000 troops and the number of
facilities that are going to be setup is going to do what it has to do?
SNYDERMAN: Well, I wouldn`t be shock if this cost about over a billion
SCHULTZ: OK. Dr. Nancy Snyderman, Dr. Corey Hebert, great to have you
with us tonight.
The politics of all of this, let me bring in Congressman Tim Ryan of Ohio.
Congressman, very rare that the Republicans and Democrats get together on
something, and the word crisis as I said a moment ago, gets tossed around
an awful lot. How do you view this? What`s the conversation at the halls
REP. TIM RYAN, (D) OHIO: Well, I think there`s going to be support for
this effort, you know, you can see John Boehner from the comment that you
played earlier. You know, he made the comment that it needs to be
addressed, took his time out to take a potshot at the President for not
doing something quick enough which is their standard line today, but I
think the support is going to be there because it`s getting so much play on
T.V. It`s on all the shows. I think people are concerned about it.
It`s one of those things that, you know, people have seen movies about this
kind of thing and they get concern. And so I think the Republican know
politically it would be in bad standing to not support the President.
Again, it`s a coordinated effort. Multiple countries involved, World
Health Organization, lot of confidence in the Center for Disease Control.
In this country you see the Paul Allen Foundation, you see Doctors Without
Borders, Those kind of very credible organizations I think, provide a lot
of political cover for the Republicans for once, to recognize how important
it is, for public investment and things like the CDC that these are
government organizations that are going and out doing it, but it would just
be too politically inappropriate for them not to support it at this point.
SCHULTZ: Not to be a medical question but this is a rather unusual mission
for our troops, isn`t it?
RYAN: Well, most definitely but I think your previous guest stated it why?
We`re talking about infrastructure as far as the military side of things.
We`re talking about some trainings, some basic training on health issues.
We`re talking about setting up facilities. These are the things the
military has a good deal of experience doing especially given the last 10
years where they were setting up bases and camps all over the world.
SCHULTZ: What is our moral obligation here, Congressman? How far do you
think the United States should be willing to go on Ebola?
RYAN: Well, I think it`s such a risky disease that, you know, it`s going
to have to go week by week, month by month and see where it is but I think
we should have a strong commitment. This is a really important issue.
This is something that could get way out of hand. This is a humanitarian
crisis. And again, I mean I think the United States has a very unique role
on the world to lead the way on these humanitarian type issues whether it`s
ethnic cleansing or in this instance Ebola, we have a responsibility to
take the lead and get commitments.
Now, we should continue to build again, a coalition. We shouldn`t be the
only ones putting in money. We should try to get other neighboring
countries to the extent they can support. What`s happening here? They
should support - not only here (ph), they should support also with money so
that we`re not carrying the whole burden and this can lay the groundwork
for the next couple of decades because the world has shifted and we need to
rely on other countries as well. But ultimately, at the end of the day, we
have to lead the way.
SCHULTZ: All right, Congressman Tim Ryan of Ohio good to have you with us
tonight. I appreciate your time on this.
Coming up, a past child abuse allegations come to the life for former
Minnesota Viking running back Adrian Peterson. Wait a minute, he`s not
former. Guess what? He`s playing and reinstated.
But first, Chuck Hagel and General Dempsey strategize against ISIS.
Senator Barbara boxer joins me next. We`re right back.
SCHULTZ: What`s hot, what`s not? Time now for Trenders. Social media, we
want you to join the Ed Team. Facebook.com/edshow, Twitter.com/edshow, and
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The Ed Show social media nation has decided. We`re reporting. Here are
today`s top trenders voted on by you.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Benghazi.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Benghazi.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Benghazi.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The number three trender, Benghazi blitz.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Two years since the terrorist attacks in just two days
until the opening hearing on those select committee.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everyone is just tuned out about Benghazi right now.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A former State Department official is blowing the
whistle on incendiary accusations against Hillary Clinton and her staff.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re not. We`re not.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We hope that people are being (ph).
SCHULTZ: Conservatives revived their favorite talking point.
REP. JASON CHAFFETZ, (R) UTAH: They were essentially creating two piles --
things that Accountability Review Board would see and anything that shed
"Bad light on Hillary Clinton."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They`re with zero coverage on it last night.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If this happened as Maxwell is saying. I mean this is
really serious. This is a cover-up.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mainstream media and this other stuff to talk about.
SCHULTZ: The number two trender, on alert.
REP. PETER KING, (R) NEW YORK: We have to assume that every threat is
If ISIS would come to the U.S. and attack us, and then they want to attack
SCHULTZ: Peter King predicts Lower Manhattan could be an ISIS target.
KING: We always shave to on our guard and ISIS could attack us anytime.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Congressman Peter King told us this week he is not
convinced ISIS is not a threat to the New Yorkers.
KING: ISIS definitely is a major player. ISIS is a very real threat.
SCHULTZ: And today`s top trender, senate showdown.
CHUCK HAGEL, U.S. SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: If left unchecked, ISIL will
directly threaten our homeland and our allies.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Chuck Hagel and General Dempsey discussed the strategy
to take out ISIS.
HAGEL: American military power alone cannot -- will not eradicate the
threats posed by ISIL.
MARTIN DEMPSEY, U.S. ARMY GENERAL: This won`t look like a shock in our
campaign but it will be a persistent and sustainable campaign.
HAGEL: The United States and our allies and partners must take action
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No more rules. No more rules.
HAGEL: This will not be an easy or a brief effort.
DEMPSEY: If we reach the point where I believe our adviser should
accompany Iraqi troops on attacks against specific ISIL targets, I`ll
recommend that to the President.
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SCHULTZ: Joining us tonight, Senator Barbara Boxer of California who sits
on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Senator, good to have you with
SEN. BARBARA BOXER, (D) CALIFORNIA: Thank you.
SCHULTZ: The information gathering that`s taking place by your senate
office and yourself, where do you stand tonight? Senator, what are we
getting into here? How do you see it?
BOXER: Well, I view this through the lens of the President. I think that
he speaks for me when he says, "The world cannot stand by and allow a group
like ISIL", which is a very well-funded group. It`s an outgrowth of al-
Qaeda. I think it came into being because of the Iraqi war, that`s another
discussion we can have but there it is and they`ve kidnapped 46 people from
Turkey. We know what they`ve done to two innocent American freelance
journalists, what they`re doing to the Brits they captured, they say every
American is a target.
We have to build the world coalition and so far, they`ve done that with 40
nations including Arab nations. And I think we have three choices, Ed, OK?
We could say, nothing, we`re doing nothing and let them just go forward
with their reign of terror, raping women and girls, selling them off,
giving them as gifts to their fighters or we can take a stand, build a
coalition, use combat troops on the ground from the countries in the region
where we are building the strategy, the military strategy.
And the third thing is what a lot of my Republican friends are talking
about. People like John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Jaime Nap (ph), all out
war, and so I picked that middle ground which is exactly what the President
is saying and I think he`s right.
SCHULTZ: Senator does the administration really know what it wants to do?
Are we on the same page? General Dempsey today did not rule out putting
boots on the ground but this afternoon, the State Department fired back at
Dempsey`s comments. Here it is.
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MARIE HARF, STATE DEPARTMENT SPOKESPERSON: The President has been very
clear. We will not have troops on the ground in combat roles, period.
That has been the underlying principle of our actions in Iraq. I think
there was a long exchange this morning about what the advisers are doing
but again, we`ve been very clear about the military idea of combat boots on
the ground question.
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SCHULTZ: Where do you stand on that, senator? Do you see any scenario
unfolding where the United States would have to use troops and I`m wanting
to say boots on the ground, I`d just say, well, we`ve already got boots on
the ground. I`m talking combat troops...
BOXER: Right. No...
SCHULTZ: ... that would be taking the fight to ISIS. Do you see anything
unfolding where we would be at that position?
BOXER: We`re not there and I don`t see it because I do believe, what the
President is doing makes sense and I think it`s very important that we
train the vetted Syrians and this is a very well thought out operation that
I hope the Congress will rally around in a vote coming later this week.
And, you know, we have to remember we have one commander-in-chief. If
you`re going to ask the military, do they take anything off the table?
BOXER: They don`t and it`s a hypothetical. So that thing, I saw when that
answer came across, I was watching and I didn`t take it that way at all.
It`s a hypothetical and we have one commander-in-chief and if anyone wants
to keep the combat troops of American soldiers off the ground, it`s this
BOXER: So I think he`s taking that middle ground. He`s building the
coalition and I think we`re on the right track. We cannot sit by in the
face of this group. We just simply cannot. You know, sometimes they`re
gracious. This to me is black and white and I voted against the war in
Iraq. I`m very, very cautious about this. But you don`t sit back in the
face of this kind of terror.
SCHULTZ: The element that`s playing into the story now, part of the plan
was that the United States is going to arm the Syrian moderates.
SCHULTZ: Now it unfolds that the Syrian moderates have cut a deal with
ISIS a nonaggression pact. How is this going to work out? Who are we
BOXER: Well first of all, there are many different opposition groups.
We`re working with the ones that are on our side, that are not working with
ISIL. Now, I happened to be in Turkey about a month ago and I had a very
important meeting with the number of colleagues with the head of the Syrian
opposition coalition and he`s fighting ISIL. I mean ISIL is going after
the Syrian moderates. So are there some that were not going to pass the
test and we`re not going to work with? Of course. But we`re going to work
very hard to just these Syrians and we`ve been doing it in a cohort
BOXER: Now, we`re trying -- just do it in an open fashion and Saudi
Arabian have said, we can build the training camps in their country. So,
this is something we`ve got to do Ed, unless you think -- I don`t mean
BOXER: ... unless the human being thinks that you can sit back in the face
of what we`re seeing from this group because literally, if you don`t
convert to their form of the Islam, they give you three options, you know,
you can convert, you flee, or we`ll kill you. I mean, we can`t allow this
to go on unchecked.
BOXER: And we know since 9/11 of course that we`re a target. This isn`t a
shock. We`ve known that. And we`re going to continue to be a target. We
can`t answer it with fear and honker down and say, "Oh we`re too afraid to
go against this group." That`s the worst thing we could do.
SCHULTZ: We`ll I don`t think its news if just one congressman says, he
thinks we might get yet. I mean we all know that we`ve to be vigilant and
we all know that we`re living in a different world right now.
BOXER: We got hit at the Boston Marathon.
SCHULTZ: Yeah but -- true.
BOXER: We did got hit at the Boston marathon. So let`s not forget it. We
have to be vigilant since 9/11 and now, more so but this is not something
that`s a shock.
SCHULTZ: OK. What about the extreme end of Lindsey Graham and John McCain
who think that we`re not doing enough? How do we know they`re not right?
BOXER: What could I say, they were so wrong on Iraq and I know it
personally. John McCain, he`s my friend. We talk all the time, OK? He
told me when he saw me one day in the hall, when things weren`t going well
in Iraq, he said, "Barbara, don`t worry. This thing is going to be over in
six weeks, eight weeks." He was so wrong. Lindsey Graham was so wrong.
They got us involved in the worst foreign policy disaster. They`re were on
the floor of the Senate. Saddam Hussein has nuclear weapons and all of
SCHULTZ: So they have no credibility?
BOXER: To me, they have zero and why? And my message to the American
people is, don`t follow the people that let us into the worst foreign
policy disaster. Work with the President. He has the moderate position
and that`s what`s going to move us forward. We stand up to a group that`s
got to be stop. We do it in a way with the whole world is with us. That`s
what we should`ve done after 9/11 instead we went into Iraq, a disaster.
BOXER: And now, we have an opportunity to lead the world against this kind
SCHULTZ: Senator Barbara Boxer of California, always great to have you
with us, senator. I appreciate your time tonight. Thank you.
Coming up, Vikings` running back Adrian Peterson is in hot water again.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just hours after learning, the NFL star will be back on
the field Sunday. The KHOU 11`s I-Team uncovers another investigation of
Peterson for the way he disciplined another son.
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SCHULTZ: Plus, America`s foremost female expert steps in it again.
But next, I`m taking your questions, Ask Ed Live, coming up here on the Ed
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SCHULTZ: Good to have you back with us. Thanks for watching tonight. We
got breaking at this hour. Sponsors are starting the process of turning
away from the National Football League. Nine corporate sponsors so far
have made statements in regards to the recent domestic violence cases
against the NFL.
A short time ago, the NFL`s major corporate sponsor Anheuser-Busch released
this statement, "We are disappointed and increasingly concerned by the
recent incidents that have overshadowed this NFL season. We are not yet
satisfied with the League`s handling of behaviors that so clearly go
against our own company culture and moral code. We have shared our
concerns and expectations with the League."
A short-time later, the NFL responded saying, "We understand. We are
taking action and there will be much more to come."
Campbell Soup Company has been an official sponsor of the NFL since 1997.
That company released a statement just a short time ago saying, "Domestic
violence is abhorrent. We are watching developments closely and look
forward to the findings of the independent investigation underway. Upon
completion of the investigation, we expect the NFL to take appropriate
action. We have shared our views with the NFL."
The NLF has to be concerned that this doesn`t get contagious. When the
Radisson Hotel chain found out that Minnesota Vikings decided to reinstate
its star running back Adrian Peterson for the for the weekend it suspended
its sponsorship for the team.
Notice the signage behind Richfield, the Vikings General Manager, during
Monday`s new conference. It`s nothing but the Vikings team logo -- the
That -- The suspension of that sponsorship comes on the heels of news that
Adrian Peterson is reportedly faced a second allegation of child abuse
against yet another one of his sons.
Late Monday night, CBS affiliate news in Texas KHOU had this report.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Another child, another series of photos. These from an
incident that allegedly occurred last June.
They show a head wound to a boy identified as Adrian Peterson`s four-year-
old son. A wound that, weeks later, left the scar above his right eye.
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SCHULTZ: A lawyer for Adrian Peterson released this statement saying,
"This is not a new allegation. It`s one that is unsubstantiated and was
shopped around to authorities in two states over a year ago and nothing
came of it. An adult witness admittedly insists Adrian did nothing
inappropriate with his son. There is no ongoing or new investigation into
Joining me tonight in our Rapid Response Panel, Terence Moore, a National
Sports Columnist and Journalism Professor at Miami of Ohio University and
Mike Papantonio, Ring of Fire Radio Host and America`s Attorney. Great to
have you with us gentlemen.
Well, Terence you have been with me on this story on a number of different
occasions that just continues to snowball. We have the conversation about
the money. Now the sponsors are getting nervous.
What does this mean? What`s your reaction to Anheuser-Busch and Campbell
Soup statements at this point?
TERENCE MOORE, NATIONAL SPORT COLUMNIST: Ed, I`m going to surprise you. I
am not encouraged one bit. Even though I`m a journalist and professor of
this semester at Miami University of Ohio, where I went to school, I
majored in Economics, OK?
Anheuser-Busch to Radisson -- but it`s not as if we`re talking about
Marriott, OK? And the other thing is suspending? What is that mean, you
know, OK? Not dropping, suspending. And let`s look at the two big issues
Anheuser-Busch is paying the NFL $1.2 billion as a sponsor. They`re not
going anywhere and -- look at the wording here. They said that we are
concern that this affecting the season. Oh, poor babies, OK.
Then you got Pepsi, another big sponsor saying that -- actually Pepsi is
just, we are encouraged by what they`re doing. And let`s get to the quick
here, all right? They know what everybody should know that the NFL is
going to remain very popular.
The reason why these sponsors signed these long-term contracts is because
even if they -- and Anheuser-Busch paying $1.2 billion, if they signed for
two or three years and trying to get back in, it`s going to be three, four
times that amount, so this just all a window dressing.
SCHULTZ: OK. Mike, looking at the legalities of all of these -- I mean,
there are pictures which of course make this a heck of lot different than
hearsay or even a deposition of sorts.
There is evidence here and there is the arena of public opinion and then
there is the illegal arena. Which is worst on the NFL right now?
MIKE PAPANTONIO, RING OF FIRE RADIO HOST: Well, this is a schizophrenic
message from -- by both of Vikings owner and Roger Goodell. If we make a
comparison, if Ray Rice for example would have simply beaten his wife with
the tree branch and instead of his fist, I guess everything would have been
OK with the NFL leadership. That`s how schizophrenic this is. It gets
In 2001, the Vikings cornerback Chris Cook was forced inactive for 10 games
for domestic assault charge where he was acquitted. Then the Vikings
immediately released both running backs Caleb King and A.J. Jefferson
within hours of simply being accused of domestic assault. So, there was no
due process there.
Back then, there was none of this fantasy cop out babble talk about leading
the judicial process come to final decision like we`re hearing in this...
PAPANTONIO: ... Peterson case. The Vikings didn`t feel like they needed
King, they didn`t need Jefferson to win a football game back then, but now
they know they need Peterson to stay alive against the Saints or they`re
going to get clobbered by, you know, like they get clobbered by the New
It`s all about money here, Ed.
PAPANTONIO: Putting fans in seats, both Goodell and the Vikings owner are
having to hold their nose and look over -- overlook the facts. The facts
are very, very clear in this case
SCHULTZ: So Terence, what has changed from last week`s game and the
upcoming game that would make it for -- available for Adrian Peterson to be
able to play? I mean, this is a gross reversal by the franchise, isn`t it?
MOORE: Yeah. What is chased is they got clobbered by New England at home.
And I`ll tell you something.
SCHULTZ: You really thing that`s it?
MOORE: Yeah. Because -- I`m going to tell you something, Ed, one of the
most discussing thing that`s going on here is they have the NFL and these
teams throwing around this term, "due process". I mean, this hark (ph) us
back to the old days of south when they said, "States` rights, oh it`s not
about slavery it`s about states` right".
This is a code and the code is -- as your guess, just pointed out is they
want their star players to play. It just goes right around the horn (ph)
here. We`re just talking about Minnesota to getting clobbered. They`re
playing in New Orleans this week against the teams that they said they can
You`ve got San Francisco with Rick McDonald. They lost the game into the
Bears and they thought they should have won. Now they are playing this
weekend at Arizona which is 2-0 in their division so there is no way in the
world that McDonald`s not going to play.
And then Carolina, you can say Carolina -- set their guy Greg Hardy but
they`re going to -- we got viral that one.
SCHULTZ: So it`s all about the money and it`s all about the wins and the
losses at this point. And the Vikings...
PAPANTONIO: That`s the bottom line.
SCHULTZ: ... are making -- do you think the Vikings are making a football
calculation here that, you know, "We`ll get through this, he`s going to
MOORE: Yeah. And this is why the NFL has got to take over and decide
these things. If that`s going to happen, they`re going to act like they`re
going to do it but the NFL got to make the decision because teams always
are going to on to side up. We want our guy out there.
SCHULTZ: What legal responsibility does the NFL have here if any, Mike? I
mean, if they have a code of conduct for the League players and this is how
they act, don`t they leave themselves wide open -- the mother of a young
child, they gets whipped like that. If the League didn`t do anything about
it, I don`t mean to be a stretch here but it would seem to me that the
League might have some kind of legal liability here or not.
PAPANTONIO: Well, they`ve probably got boilerplate kind of material to
protect themselves but the closer they get to this type of thing, the
bigger problem they have.
Look, this isn`t -- for example in this case, this isn`t new news.
Peterson faced a similar story in 2013 when he was accused, as you pointed
out, of beating his four-year-old to the point at the child`s head and
needed to be bandage. No charges were brought and the facts aren`t been
missed by a sitting grand jury Ed, and prosecutor that heard testimony, saw
pictures and other evidence that concluded that Peterson should be charged
with reckless injury to his child. Now, what that means?
SCHULTZ: So the League doesn`t have to do anything. The League has no
PAPANTONIO: At this point, for them to be able to say we don`t have any is
a nice thing to say, a good attorney looking at this. Every fact is going
to be different. Every case is going to be different but the best way to
describe what this guy -- Peterson has been accused of is to describe from
a legal definition is where a person -- I`m talking about recklessness with
the way he acted with his child, it`s where a person drives his car maybe
80 miles an hour through a school zone after drinking a quart of Whiskey.
It`s selfish, it`s indifferent, it`s stupid...
PAPANTONIO: ... but the point is this is not a man you should be playing
PAPANTONIO: There`s nothing equivocal about what happened here.
SCHULTZ: So Terence Moore, your predictions, he play the rest of this
MOORE: Oh, they can get away with it...
MOORE: ... and the NFL just invented this Department of Social
Responsibility whatever that is...
MOORE: ... they`re trying to make the public think that they`re doing
something when they`re doing nothing.
SCHULTZ: All right. Terence Moore, Mike Papantonio, gentlemen thanks so
Coming up, the Green Mountain State`s largest city is going green. We`ll
bring you the details on Burlington Vermont`s historic change to renewable
energy. Stay with us. We`ll be right back.
SCHULTZ: And in Pretenders tonight, no means no. Rush Limbaugh, the radio
host. Now here`s the guy who knows a thing or two about losing
advertisers. He says there`s nothing romantic about consent.
Limbaugh slammed Ohio State University`s new effort to combat sexual
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
RUSH LIMBAUGH, TALK SHOW HOST: At Ohio State University, to avoid being
guilty of sexual assault or sexual violence, you and your partner now have
to agree on the reason why you are making out or having sex. Agreeing on
the why takes all the romance out of everything. Takes all the seduction -
- seduction used to be an art. Now, of course, it`s prudish and it`s
predatory and it`s bad.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: The self-anointed master of seduction mocked the guidelines.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
LIMBAUGH: The absence of no does not mean yes. It must be asked every
step of the way. It cannot be implied or assumed even in the context of a
How many of you guys, in your own experience with women, have learned no
means yes if you know how to spot it.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Limbaugh`s thinking is both dangerous and disgusting. If Rush
Limbaugh thinks there is romance in sexual assault, he can keep on
SCHULTZ: And finally tonight, this is a story for the folks who take a
shower after work.
The State of Vermont set a goal of getting 90 percent of energy from
renewable resources by the year 2050.
Now Burlington, Vermont, the state`s largest city -- wow, these folks are
way ahead of schedule. The Burlington Electric Department purchased the
7.4 megawatt Winooski one hydroelectric project on the Winooski River
earlier this month.
It was the final push needed to get the city of 42,000 running on 100
percent renewable sources using wind, water, and biomass.
Burlington joins about 11,000 residents of Central and Northern Vermont who
reached the goal of 100 percent renewable energy earlier this year under
the Washington Electric Cooperative. This isn`t just the environmental
consciousness thing to do. It is really making economic sense as well.
Both utilities will buy power from traditional sources if the wind isn`t
blowing or the rivers are low. However, when the resources are available,
they can sell off the surplus which is the best of both worlds. The state
is expected to sell more than they buy.
And this is how you lead, folks. If states are the laboratories of
democracy, Vermont is proving that if we can invest and make this
transition to renewable energy it can certainly change America. They`re
leading the way.
Joining me tonight, Tiernan Sittenfeld, she was the Senior Vice President
for Government Affairs for the League of Conservation Voters.
Tiernan, what does this mean? These folks are way ahead of the curve. Why
aren`t more cities and states going down this road?
TIERNAN SITTENFIELD, LEAGUE OF CONSERVATION VOTERS: This is really great
news and we absolutely are excited for the people of Burlington that they
are leading the way, setting an example, all while enjoying the cheapest
electricity rates in the State of Vermont. And it`s a very question in
We have seen more and more progress throughout the countries from cities
and states who are taking leadership but it`s time for Congress to catch
Unfortunately, there more than 100 climate change deniers in the Congress
today and that is a real problem because they are standing the way of a
clean energy future.
SCHULTZ: Do you think it`s going to work? Now, you got a number of
different sources here. You got wind, you`ve got -- I don`t know if solar
is involved in this but hydroelectric is very strong if there`s water, and
biomass. Is this a formula for the future?
SITTENFIELD: This is absolutely a formula for the future and in fact,
Vermont actually has the highest per capita rate for solar jobs. So, if
Vermont called less sunny states and others around the country can lead the
way then we are confident that some of the states in the South and the
Southwest can lead the way as well.
So I think it`s really bodes well. It`s time to stop doubling down on
dirty energy and really move toward a clean energy future that`s when,
when, when, it`s going to create jobs, it`s going to protect their national
security and it`s going to protect the planet.
SCHULTZ: Doesn`t Burlington have somewhat of perfect population for this?
Meaning, this isn`t too big in metropolitan area. I mean 42,000 people it
would seem that this is not been a heavy of a lift. And if it does reduce
energy expenses for families, how can states not invest and what about the
size of the community, how ideal is that?
SITTENFIELD: I think that those are very important factors that you`ve
pointed out but I think that we`re seeing by Burlington`s example that this
can be done in places across the country. And, you know, that there`s sort
of a receptive audience or population in Burlington but we actually are
finding and poll after poll across the country cutting across all ages, all
walks of life, all demographics.
And people overwhelmingly want to have a clean energy future. They support
the EPA`s commonsense proposal to cut carbon pollution from coal burning
power plants which is responsible for 40 percent of the carbon pollution in
this country. So, this makes us even more optimistic but if we band
together, if we elect the right people to Congress, reelect clean energy
champions in the Senate, people like Udalls in Colorado and New Mexico,
people like Gary Peters in Michigan and Bruce Braley in Iowa, Jeanne
Shaheen in New Hampshire, those are the kinds of people we need to really
help Congress lead us toward a clean energy future.
SCHULTZ: What`s going to be interesting to see is if the consumption of
electricity is going to be the same? I know the coal industry isn`t going
to like this story nor they like this technology but do you think
conservatives might be more inclined to hop on board if they understood the
economic advantages here?
SITTENFIELD: We certainly hope so. Definitely hope springs eternal -- I
should know if there is one Republican Senator Susan Collins from Maine who
has been a very strong supporter of clean energy and the fight to address
climate change but again there are more than 100 climate change deniers in
the Congress today.
They need to see that these are win-win solutions. There`s actually a
recent report out -- in the last couple of days showing that addressing
climate change is good for the economy. It creates jobs, it saves
consumers` money and it`s clearly the way forward.
SCHULTZ: It will be a campaign issue in 2016, no doubt.
Tiernan Sittenfield, great to have you with us tonight. Thank you. I
appreciate your time.
SITTENFIELD: Thank you.
SCHULTZ: That`s the Ed Show. I`m Ed Schultz.
Politics Nation with Reverend Al Sharpton starts right now.
Good evening, Rev.
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