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Date: September 19, 2014

Guest: Judy Kluger, Terrence Moore, Jane Kleeb, Bob Shrum, Sarah Slamen

ED SCHULTZ, ED SHOW HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to the Ed
Show live from Detroit Lakes, Minnesota. Let`s get to work.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Out flame hired by women`s advocacy again flying a
banner reading "Goodell must go" above the Georgia Dome.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At least seven NFL payers now facing allegations, four
cases of domestic abuse.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: New NBC news poll shows that more than half Americans
aren`t satisfied with how the NFL has handled the domestic violence stand.

women it is now in the news everyday.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police report claims another Cardinal`s player
Jonathan Dwyer head batted his wife.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The allegation is it that that after she was physically
assaulted he took a shoe and throw it after 18 month old child.

OBAMA: There`s problem no matters to all of us.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Goodell has all but disappeared on the last few days.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 10 days since we saw Roger Goodell before cameras.

ROGER GOODELL, NFL COMMISSIONER: Over the past several weeks, we have seen
all too much of the NFL doing wrong. That starts with me.

I believe in accountability.


SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight folks. Thanks for watching.

The man that`s being talked about in this spotlight stepped out into the
spotlight this afternoon in America`s number media market.

After 10 days of radio silence, Roger Goodell finally addressed the
mounting criticism in the issues facing the national football league.


GOODELL: At our best, the NFL sets an example to makes some positive
difference. Unfortunately, over the past several weeks, we have seen all
too much of the NFL doing wrong. That starts with me.

I said this before back in August 28th and say it again now. I got it
wrong in the handling of the Ray Rice matter and I`m sorry for that. The
same mistakes can never be repeated. We will do whatever it is necessary
to ensure that we are thorough in your review process and then our
conclusions are reliable.

We will get our house in order first.


SCHULTZ: So Roger Goodell, the commissioner of the NFL, makes himself
available for almost an hour today. But he came to the microphone with
just as many questions as members of the media.

Goodell knows what has to be done but it doesn`t mean he knows how to do


GOODELL: We need to change our policies and our procedures and we need to
get some help in trying to identify how to do that. We have state laws
that are different from state to state and even locally.

We need to make sure that we have looked at when the NFL should be involved
in the investigative process. We need to know how much reliance we should
have on the law enforcement information.

So, you`re highlighting exactly the issue and so we aren`t -- we do not
have a clear and consistent policy that allows us to deal with all of the
different issues that are rising.


SCHULTZ: It looks to me like Roger Goodell is hiding behind the legal
system. He can`t empathically state that if any player on the NFL does
anything wrong or is arrested, or out for the season. It just can`t come
out. They can`t come to that conclusion. They don`t understand that they
are a damaged product right now. Goodell also have to answer calls for his


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Had you considered resigning at any point throughout

GOODELL: I have not. I`m focused on doing my job and doing the best of my
ability. I understand when people are critical of your performance but we
have a lot of works to do. That`s my focus.

We`ve been busy in the last couple of weeks. We have results to show for
it. We`ve talked about some of them in my statement but I`m proud of the
opportunity that we have to try to make a difference here and do the right
thing. We have acknowledged that we need to change what we`re doing.

Now we have to get to what are those changes going to be.


SCHULTZ: So here are the numbers. The truth is even though 57 percent of
Americans say they disapprove the way the National Football League has
handled the domestic violence allegations a fact number -- a whopping 85
percent say it has no effect on how much football they`re going to be

Despite his disappearing act of 10 days, a majority 43 percent of Americans
do not think that Goodell should resign. The only positive thing to come
out of these highly publicized, horrific allegations of abuse is other
victims are speaking up in this country.

The National Domestic Violence hotline has seen an 84 percent increase in
phone calls. Unfortunately, a lot of those calls went on unanswered due to
a lack of resources. Now, today the NFL Commissioner Goodell outlined how
the NFL plans to address those needs -- which is good.


GOODELL: We have entered into long-term partnership with two leading
national organizations the National Domestic Violence Hotline and the
National Sexual Violence Resource Senate. They need our help and we are
providing it.

I`m establishing a conduct committee to review these new rules in the
months and years to come and ensure that we are always living with the best


SCHULTZ: Well, there is no doubt this is good start, restart, jump start,
transition, whatever you want to call it. They`re still slow to the punch.

What bothers me about all of this is that it`s important to remember that
Roger Goodell started his career on the National Football League Public
Relations Department. And is this as good as it gets? He`s asking
questions to the media. He gets the question from the media then he fires
back with another question to them without answering what he`s been asked.

Goodell is well-aware of what people want to hear from the frontman. The
question is, is this going to be lip service to calm sponsors in the wake
of a very -- another turbulent week when there`s a number of sponsors out
there canceling, making shifts on their advertising and on the promotional
support because of what NFL is going through right now? And will what they
do make a real difference?

What bothers me here is that Goodell still doesn`t know he has a lack of
intestinal fortitude to make a decision and let it sit there which only
tells me either he`s the wrong guy for the job or he is really a puppet to
the owners. And somebody is really choking his chain.

After all we have seamlessly go through -- child abuse, domestic abuse, all
of that he can`t say, "You get arrested, you`re done for the year and we`ll
sort this out over time." Don`t hide behind some state law. It`s your
law. You need to understand folks the National Football League isn`t run
by the government.

The National Football League is a private business. These owners are
billionaires. They can do whatever they want. They can take a paramount
stand against domestic violence.

OK, so they`re going to catch with the few organizations to help them out
with resources. But wait a minute, what`s restitution to the players?
Well, they really don`t know -- not totally.

Get your cellphones out. I want to know what you think. Tonight`s
question, "Will the NFL`s latest actions do anything to stop domestic
violence among the players?" Text A for Yes , text B for No to 67622. You
can leave a comment on our blog at We`ll bring you the
results later.

And that is another thing that bothers me is that Goodell did not say, "We
have got to stop this and we`re going to do whatever we can to stop it.
There is something wrong with our players. We got a lot of good players
and they`re doing good things. But you know what, what`s happening right
now is epidemic in the NFL." That`s what I wanted to hear -- him fessing
up instead of telling me that well, he made a mistake and it`s his fault.

No. It`s the player`s fault and nobody is doing anything to correct their
behavior. And he could correct their behavior by saying, "You know what
you got arrested. You`re out."

I get arrested, I`ll be out. You get arrested in your business what your
manual say? Would you be voted?

Let`s got to our panel tonight.

We are joined tonight by Terence Moore, national sports columnist and
professor at Miami of Ohio University. Also with us tonight, Dr. Michael
Eric Dyson, George Town University and MSNBC political analyst. And also
with us tonight Judge Judy Kluger who is executive director at Sanctuary
for Families.

Judge, I want to start with you first tonight. What did you hear and what
it did mean? Did it ring a bell with you? Did it strike a nerve? Where
are you tonight?

positive things which is think really bodes well for the discussion and
hopefully for some different kind of action on the part of the NFL.

First of all he talked about education, he talked about prevention, he
talked about sanctions. And I think the proof will be in how all this is
implemented. I think over reliance on what happens in the criminal justice
system is misplaced.

They have to have their own procedures and policies and we shouldn`t rely
on what happens in a court case. But I think we`re all waiting to see
exactly how these all played out in the process.

SCHULTZ: Waiting for the court case -- I have no patience for that. The
league -- if the league can`t determine what`s right and wrong when it
comes to domestic violence on their own merit, then, I don`t know why
they`re in business.

Terrence, what did you hear? What did you see today? What do you think?

this it was just like eating cotton candy. It tastes good for a little bit
but there was nothing there. And I`m going to start with this. I talked
to a top executive of an NFL team yesterday who told me that first of all
his team supports Roger Goodell but his team is very frustrated with Roger
Goodell. And this was all at the record and you`ll see why.

He said two weeks ago his team was all frustrated they started doing things
on their own getting the players together, getting the front office
together, and reading them to Riot Act on what they cannot do when it comes
to sexual assault and also domestic violence. They even brought an expert
to talk to them but I`m not optimistic and I`ll tell you why.

Everybody`s talking right now about this -- what`s going out with Jonathan
Dwyer. I know Jonathan Dwyer. I`ve dealt with Jonathan Dwyer here at
Atlanta. I worked for Atlanta Journal Constitution with 25 years as sport
columnist covering Georgia Tech. Jonathan Dwyer played for Georgia Tech.
I bring that up because they had a visionary athletic director at Georgia
Tech named Home Rice -- when built (ph) this thing called "Total Person
Concept" where this players are taught everything from how to use right
fork and spoon to listening to people talk against domestic violence.

And Jonathan Dwyer was part of that program which tells me that no matter
what the NFL does, there`s something does inherent with these players.
It`s going to be very, very difficult. No matter how much you talk to
them, you`re still going to have an issue and that`s unfortunate..

SCHULTZ: And Michael Eric Dyson, I will put that comment to you. What
about that? What is going to curve this behavior? It`s not going to be
done overnight? What can the NFL do? What did you hear and what did you
say today?

would be a good beginning. I concur with my fellow panelists that this is
a good start. I`ll Mr. Moore`s comments about cotton candy to heart there.
But the only thing that will change that is if Roger Goodell follows up on
it -- that is to say that you can`t just say, "Hey, it starts with me."
Because remember Roger Goodell was hard on the New Orleans Saints when he
came to Bountygate.

And he said, you know, "Ignorance was no excuse." So he seems to be
exempting himself form the most rigorous form of scrutiny that he gives to
players. And I`m sure they`re going to point that contradiction now.
Having said that, moving forward from this day it`s good for them to
contribute to the domestic abuse hotline but they`re got to tell to their
players, "This is not acceptable. You`re grown man. You understand that
this kind of behavior of violence is not something that we will tolerate
for one instance or by violence towards children is not something we will
tolerate for one instance here."

But I would say this that Roger Goodell went out immediately and got a--
impaneled a group of women to be part of this, you know, discussion about
domestic violence not a black women among them and the players I think are
something like 70 percent black.

So the issue of racial tone deafness and gender tone deafness often come
together here. And we`ve got to make sure that we`re being honest and
above board in addressing all of the issues that need to be address when we
talk about child abuse, when we talk about domestic abuse, and when we
speak about the tone deafness of the NFL toward these problems.

SCHULTZ: Judge, what do you makes of the number of phone calls that have
come in over the last week to domestic violence clinics and associations
that deal with victims. What do you make of that?

KLUGER: Well, that it`s not surprising and it`s actually one of the
positive outcomes of an issue like this when it becomes an issue in the
media that people feel that there is someone that will listen to them.
They recognize that they`re not the only ones involved in this. And at
Sanctuary of Families, I think was so interesting -- what you`re other
guest said about zero tolerance. That is our position -- zero tolerance on
issues of domestic violence.

And I think that what the commissioner talks about different laws and
different states, really that`s in relevant to the conversation. It needs
to be a policy that`s implemented, that is uniform across states because it
has nothing to do with the laws of state. It has to do with the conduct of
the players. And I`d like to see.

SCHULTZ: No question about it.

KLUGER: . I really like to see -- he has put together some very, very good
experts and he should take their guidance.

SCHULTZ: Where are the owners? Terrence, I`m stunned. There was a
question at the press conference if the commissioner had talked and the
owners. And he said, "Yes, they`ve been in an out of talk to some of them.
We`re working on some other things."

What in the world could be more important to t he NFL than this story? Why
hasn`t there been an emergency meeting among the NFL owners to quickly come
together? They all have big jets. They can go 500-miles an hour. Get to
a spot for 24 hours and figure out what the hell you`re going to do with
this problem.

What could be more important in this? What about that?

MOORE: Well, it`s the fact that the average NFL team is worth $1.2
billion. And as -- the bottom line is still there that people are going to
still go and watch NFL games. And one thing, Ed, that I get to add real
quick here is that one reason why a very pessimistic about the future of
anything they`ve do come into (inaudible) and having any effect. We are
causing so much on the NFL that we don`t realize -- we`re not realizing a
lot of people that this starts way before the NFL. Colleges -- even way
before that.

And I just talk about the.


MOORE: . situation here at -- with Georgia Tech. But here in Atlanta you
got University of Georgia. And every year during the off season, they lead
the NCAA in arrest. They have seven guys arrested.


MOORE: . this pass off season including one guy for domestic abuse. And
then, you look at University of Miami, LaBare, Miami in Florida not the one
-- I teach, Ed, in Ohio.

SCHULTZ: But they can get rid of those players.

MOORE: Well, some of them do.

SCHULTZ: They get rid of those players.

MOORE: . but not all of them do. A lot of these guys are cottle (ph).
Look what`s going on at Florida State with Janice -- Jameis Winston right
now. You know, the reason it`s gone to that point with him is because they
babied him all the way along down the lines. And contrary to popular
belief, he will be a high draftee in the National Football League and the
cycle is going to continue.


MOORE: . over and over again.

KLUGER: Look, you have to start make something (ph).

SCHULTZ: Say that again Judge.

KLUGER: You have to start in the high schools, in the elementary schools.
I mean that is a separate issue. We need to have a society where violence
is not tolerated but that doesn`t negate the fact that we have a very
broad-based commitment to anti-violence. And that needs to be implemented
by the NFL now for their players and do education from the time our kids
are young.

SCHULTZ: Michael Eric Dyson, Professor, are we dealing with a generational
issue? This isn`t going to be handled this year. I don`t mean to indict
anybody or -- I just think that this is so big at this point, at this
level. And, you know, before this -- I want to give your final comment on
that. What about that?

DYSON: No, you`re absolutely right. It is a generational issue but it`s a
generational issue that has to be taken up now. We have to lay the ground
work for this problem not to be at a crisis moment, you know, 10 years from

We can`t be repeating the same cycle here. And we`ll do that if we pretend
that we`re going to do it. We`re going to give a little money here to this
domestic abuse hotline, we`re going to figure out some policies that look
like we`re window addressing and not addressing the fundamental issue.

Look, football is violence. Sports in America are violent. Men who play
football tend to have higher testosterone levels and aggression that`s
directed toward their sport but they`ve also going to figure their way not
to do that on the field. And I want to invite the judge again to say, "The
experts are great but let`s diversified that." Be sensitive to all women -
- Latino women and African-American women on those panels as well and not
like to see here take that up a bit more self-consciously as well.

KLUGER: I absolutely agree that.

SCHULTZ: Judge, what about that?

KLUGER: . they`re absolutely should be diversity. People should
understand and be able to identify with the people helping them. And my
organization is committed to that. So I agree. I think there has to be
more diversity in the group at the NFL level and throughout the society.
So the victims feel connected to the people who are helping them.

SCHULTZ: All right. Terrence Moore, Michael Eric Dyson, Judge Judy
Kluger, great to have you with us tonight. I appreciate the discussion.
Thanks so much.

Coming up, two months before midterm elections -- Congress -- well they
take another vacation and this one`s a dandy. But first, thousands are
expected to gather in New York City this weekend to the world`s largest
climate change march. Jane Kleeb, Bold Nebraska coming up.

Stay with us. We`ll be right back in the Ed Show.


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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hello, Zack Morris`s phone.

SCHULTZ: The number three trender, call waiting.

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battery life and stronger Wi-Fi.

SCHULTZ: Apple fans line up to pick up the latest iPhone.

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SCHULTZ: The number two trender, Nay.

spoken and it is a clear result.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you English, sir?


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So, you`re English then.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In response to the referendum question, should
Scotland be an independent country, we`re in favor of no.


SCHULTZ: Scots vote to remain part of the United Kingdom.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It turned out at the polls as historic as the

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A total of 86 percent is one of the highest for the
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SCHULTZ: And today`s top trender, march for change.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We know the problem burning fossil fuels is heating up
our planet.

SCHULTZ: (Inaudible) act could end up costing the United States economy
billions of dollars in lost property, crops and labor productivity.

The world`s largest climate march will take place this weekend in New York

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Organizers expect more than 100,000 people to converge
for people`s climate march.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everybody who cares about saving the planet go stand
shoulder to shoulder to demand urgent action.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, we want world leaders to recognize that the
people are speaking with one voice saying it`s time to take action.

UNIDENTIFED MALE: (Inaudible) 21st of March, I send back the signal to the
United Nations.


SCHULTZ: Joining me tonight, Jane Kleeb, executive director of Bold
Nebraska. Her organization of course has been front and center trying to
deny the permits of the Keystone XL Pipeline which is a major project that
many Americans believe should not go through because it will be a threat to
climate change and our environment.

I do want to point out before we get to our conversation here Jane. In the
story in Scotland there was 86 percent turn out of the vote. I mean if
there was 86 percent of the turn out of the vote in this country. I think
that we probably would do something about climate change and we`d see some
serious change in this country just to keep that in mind but this march
coming up in New City is right before the United Nations Climate Summit.

Jane, what do you hope the world leaders are going to take away from this
event? How important is it?

leaders are on the floor of the U.N. talking about climate change and they
always do that they refer to the amount of people that were in the streets,
and Ed, you`re exactly right.

If we actually had people connecting the issues that they care about like
climate change, like clean energy and then marching in the streets and then
on November 4th marching in to the voting booth, that`s when we see change.
And so we do need to see the 86 percent instead of poor 50 percent but a
lot of that is because politicians continue to ignore this issue.

They think that it`s some niche issue when in fact, you`ll see moms, you`ll
see cowboys, you`ll see indigenous folks, you`ll see people from all walks
of life saying we want action on climate change now.

SCHULTZ: What do you hear the most? What do you think Americans want to
do on this issue?

KLEEB: You know the thing I heard the most is that we want to see a
transition to clean energy now. We are really tired of folks saying that
it`s going to be in the future. We can`t do it yet. We can`t rely on
wind. All of that is just hogwash.

Reality is we can rely on clean energy and we have to start that transition
in a real way and so, instead of saying that that will be sometime in the
future, let`s do it now. Let`s start saying we`re going to have 30, 40
percent of our energy, clean energy, by 2025 and let`s actually start
taking carbon pollution seriously.

It`s not just about energy. It`s also about our health. And so I think
you`ll see people in the streets not only talking about the need for clean
energy but also because of carbon pollution, how that is affecting our
health whether that`s in the tar sands region in Alberta or whether that`s
on the frontlines in New Orleans.

SCHULTZ: Now, on Thursday this week the White House announced that it
would invest almost $70 million, $70 million on renewable energy projects
including 240 solar projects. This of course is going to be in an effort
to help the climate change. This has got to be a step at the right

KLEEB: Yes. I mean it`s absolutely a step in the right direction we can`t
stop there. When we are continuing to subsidize fossil fuel companies in
the tune of billions of dollars every year, that is not enough.

I say we need to get rid of the subsidies on the fossil fuel companies,
start really investing in renewable energy and making sure that there is
essentially benchmark for all states and all local communities to reach
unless you have those goals.


KLEEB: . people are going to continue on the status quo.

SCHULTZ: Well, you know what they`re going to be calling this march.
They`ll think of everything under the sun to vilify it and they`re on the
march on the other side too. RNC Chairman Reince Priebus he tweeted out
today in support of the Keystone XL pipeline and House Republicans pushed
through a bill, I believe, yesterday that includes an approval for the

It seems like they have no regard for the environment or the environmental
impact that is taking place and how this pipeline would contribute to it.
It`s just the money, isn`t it? There`s just too much influence on the
other side, is that what it is, Jane, or are they just completely in denial
that they really do believe we`re not having any effect on the climate?

KLEEB: I do think that they believe that we`re not having an effect. I
think that they think that, you know, the bible tells us that there is
changes in weather and everything is going to be fine. And so if Mr.
Priebus actually -- wants to actually care about the things that his party
stands for, which is things like property rights and being against foreign
oil, he would actually be against this pipeline but he can`t get pass the
money from Trans-Canada or Exxon Mobil or all of the other fossil fuel
companies on their side and that`s why it`s critical that people come out.

So there are going to be over 2,000 actions all across the United States
and the globe for the people`s climate march. You can find it actually on
people` and we encourage people to take action and to vote
on November 4th.

SCHULTZ: This is about awareness. That`s what this march is all about,
getting more people into the fold on what we`re facing as a world not just
as a country. It`s a big one. Great to have you a part of it. Thank you,

KLEEB: Thanks Ed.

SCHULTZ: I appreciate your time tonight.

Coming up, Priorities.

Two months before midterms, our do-nothing Congress takes yet another

Oh wait a minute, they got to run home and run for reelection, that`s a
tough job. They don`t have enough money plus the United States Air Force
believes in freedom of religion but Pat Robertson sure doesn`t.

Pretenders is coming up. Your question is next, Ask Ed Live right here on
the Ed Show on MSNBC. We`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. I appreciate all the questions.
Tonight, one big question in our Ask Ed Live segment and it comes from

She wants to know, should taxpayers foot the bill for those stadiums that
the tax-exempt NFL makes billions of dollars from?

Gosh, that`s a very interesting question but you know the NFL is so
powerful, Holly. They call the shots and the public-private partnership
seems to be the model right now.

The NFL was so powerful. They can go in and hold cities hostage. They can
say, "Look, you`re either going to throw billions of dollars to this or
we`re going to find another city to play in and now you know the rest of
the story." Fact of the matter is if you ever do a deal as a municipality
to keep an NFL team, you got to get it on paper that they`re not going to
leave for at least 50 years so it can be a generational commitment.

Stick around, Rapid Response Panel is next.


MARY THOMPSON, CNBC CORRESPONDENT: I`m Mary Thompson with your CNBC Market

The Dow pushes further indirect their territory gaining 13 points while the
S&P falls a point and the NASDAQ loses 13.

Alibaba surged in its first day of trading up 38 percent. It was the
biggest IPO in its history and some Apple lovers stood online for hours
hoping to get their hands on the new larger iPhones which went on sale

Lastly, Oracle shares into down about 4 percent today after the company
said Larry Ellison was stepping down as CEO.

That`s it from CNBC, first on business worldwide.



JOHN BOEHNER, HOUSE SPEAKER, (R) OHIO: I like this idea that has been born
over the last, maybe out of the economy, over the last couple of years that
you know, I really don`t have to work. You know I don`t really want to do
this. I think I`d just rather sit around.

This is a very sick idea for our country.


SCHULTZ: It sure is Speaker Boehner but we should point out before you
left for an eight-week vacation you called those unemployment Americans a
bunch of slackers.

Now, this is Republican leadership who didn`t want to touch any of the
kitchen table topics that are out there across this country before the

Wall Street is on a roll. The supply side conservatives have got to be
loving Obama right now. Take a look at where it was back in January of
2009 and take a look at what the Obama economy has done for the power
brokers in this country today. Wealth has increased.

And you know when I go to folks, in visiting folks around the country like
I was last weekend down in Iowa, they got a lot of concerns and instead
here is Congress. Here is what they have been concentrating on.


BOB CORKER, SENATOR, (R) TENNESSEE: You`re not going to ask for buy-in by
the United States Senate or House of Representatives on behalf of the
American people in a conflict.

RAND PUAL, SENATOR, (R) KENTUCKY: He was running against the wars (ph) of
the previous administration and people voted for that very reason and he
became part of a problem.

He now does everything that he criticized. It`s what the American people
despise about politics.


SCHULTZ: No American could make the case that those aren`t important
discussions. They are very important. But there is no excuse for Congress
to hit the trail this early to ignore what`s impacting Americans everyday.
It`s jobs, it`s tax inversions, it`s citizens united, it`s health care,
these are the things that Americans want addressed. This is what they`re
locked in on.

Maybe that explains why Congress is so disliked by American voters. A
recent CNN ORC poll found 83 percent of Americans do not approve of the way
Congress is working. A stunning 65 percent say they feel it`s the worst
congress of their lifetime.

The conversation needs to be brought back to front and center to what the
American families really care about and what`s going to move people this
election cycle. Will it be the war?

Joining me now on our Rapid Response Panel, glad to have Larry Kudlow with
us tonight, senior contributor at CNBC. Also with us tonight Bob Shrum,
Professor of Politics at USC, Democratic Strategist. Gentlemen, great to
have you with us.


SCHULTZ: Larry, it caught my -- you bet. Larry, you wrote in a recent
article about President Obama`s ISIS strategy. You wrote that Republicans
need to get on board with Obama with this plan. If not, they risk blowing
what appears to be a landslide election.

Why do you put that much emphasis on this strategy in Syria? Do you think
the Republicans risk blowing the election by not paying attention to the
issues I`ve just mentioned? What do you think?

LARRY KUDLOW, CNBC: Well, I think that basically they are backing the
President at least in terms of his goals to degrade and destroy ISIS.

When I wrote that, it was not clear that that was going to happen. I
support the President on the goals. I have some criticisms of his tactics
right now but basically, in the broad sense, we can`t let these terrorists
beheading Americans without doing something to them, without punishing
them. And, you know, I think the President`s goals are correct.

I think most Republicans including Rand Paul are going to back him at least
on the goals.

SCHULTZ: What about the issues I mentioned? Why hasn`t there been enough
attention put on them when I get a real sense that that`s where America is
in this election?

KUDLOW: Well, look at -- One thing, we may not agree on a lot of things
but one thing, Ed, that you`re about is I don`t think Congress works hard
enough. I think they do take too much time, both the Senate and the House.
So, I agree with you on that point.

Regarding the key issues in the election, I don`t know. I`ll tell you
this. I, from my side of the aisle, I don`t think the Republicans really
have a clear message yet, OK? I think they got a lot of work to do in the
next couple of weeks. They`re asking the voters to give them control of
both Houses, OK?

Nonetheless, they have not told the voters what they might do if they got
that mandate. And I`m talking tax reform, I`m talking changing Obamacare,
I`m talking Keystone pipeline, I`m talking slashing corporate tax rates,
those would be my issues. I don`t hear a clear GOP message.

SCHULTZ: Bob, is that going to be a problem in this midterm?

SHRUM: Well, listen it`s nice to see and for once have to agree with Larry
Kudlow, we mostly disagree when I was on his show over the years. I think
the Republicans have a fundamental problem and Larry`s sort of have put his
finger on it.

They can`t have a program. They can`t compromise because as Speaker
Boehner said, he`s got 16 knuckleheads in his conference who can desert him
at anytime. So they can`t propose an alternative to Obamacare, they don`t
have the votes for it. They can`t deal with immigration reform which smart
Republican strategists think they have to do.

They had a tax reform proposal in terms of corporate tax reform that they
didn`t even dare bring to a vote because their own members wouldn`t support
it because it closed loopholes.

And I think Larry is right. They don`t have a compelling message out
there. And the result of that is that the Republican party`s favorability
has fallen very sharply over the last few months. And I think Democrats
have a chance, a real chance now to keep control of the Senate in November.

KUDLOW: I mean -- I think, you know, I think Shrum, we`re making the same
points, we agree for and I like to agree with.

SHRUM: How rare.

KUDLOW: I enjoy it, Bob, you`re a class act but look, Ed. You know, to me
these ashes (ph), they don`t have to write a new contract with America. I
think it is way too late for that, but get five or six key bullets.

By the way, one of them is corporate tax reform. The people who would
benefit the most from a lower corporate tax rate are workers and wage
earners. That`s what the studies show. And I think that they should go
after Obamacare. The GOP stopped talking about Obamacare. From my side of
the aisle, my life, Obamacare, I don`t think it`s working. I think people
are -- Obamcare is just as unpopular now as it ever was and I think major
changes have to be made.

SCHULTZ: Among some people it is, Larry, but the numbers show that it`s
working for millions of the Americans. Millions of Americans have got
coverage that they never had before. I mean, the moral judgment is that`s

SHRUM: I don`t think Republicans want to go into this election saying that
they`re going to reinstate the capacity of insurance companies to deny
coverage for preexisting conditions or put lifetime limits on policies.
And there are Republican think tanks that have come up with alternatives.

But Larry, they can`t get any traction among the Republicans in the House
because there are such bitter enders that all they want to do is repeal
Obamacare. I don`t think that`s something they can sell long term.

Beyond that, when you look at this corporate tax reform and you`re right,
by the way, if you do it correctly you could actually help job creation but
to do it correctly, it`s not just about lowering the rate, it`s about
closing some of those loopholes, dealing with the tax inversion that lets
people hide their profits overseas. There are ways to do that.

They have a proposal. They spent two years on it in the House. The guy
from Michigan who really worked very hard on it held a press conference,
very proud of it, and that was the end of it. The Republicans couldn`t
bring it to a vote.

KUDLOW: Actually -- yeah, you`re right but not quite right.

First of all, Dave Camp, I just refereed, I moderated before the business
roundtable, Dave Camp and Jason Furman, who is a friend, who is President
Obama`s chief economic adviser.

Look at it Shrum, here`s the take. On corporate rates, yes, I believe that
as many deductions as possible should be eliminated. I want to get the top
rate down to 20 percent. If you do that you won`t need to go overseas.
You won`t have to hide your profits overseas.

I don`t like inversions anymore than you guys do, but I`m just saying
companies have an obligation to protect their shareholders. So the answer
is comprehensive tax reform. Get those.

SHRUM: But they can`t do it, Larry. The Republicans can`t -- they can`t
do it. They don`t have the votes.

KUDLOW: Yeah, I think though, you know what, I think they`re going to do
it and I think that the Republicans in the Senate are going to do it. But,
you know what, time will tell. I don`t know.

SCHULTZ: All right. I got it. Larry, you`re a good supply side
conservative. Look at the stock market numbers, you guys got to be loving
up President Obama. I`ll tell you where we were and where we are right
now. Look at that and I don`t want to keep you too long, Larry, because I
know you want to run home and watch that FDR Special that`s been playing on
for long on all the public television stations.

KUDLOW: I like the FDR Special even though I think it`s a little bit
biased but let`s get business profits and that said, some credit for the
stock markets.

SHRUM: Let`s give fairness to all Americans.

SCHULTZ: We`re going to have a big discussion again on this. Larry
Kudlow, Bob Shrum, great to have both of you with us tonight. Thank you so
much for joining.

Coming up, is the Lone Star State ready for Hillary? Sarah Slamen joins
me. We did a focus group in Texas, that`s coming up next.


SCHULTZ: Coming up on the Ed Show. I sat down with a group of voters in
Texas last Friday to find out whether the Lone Star State can turn blue.
We`ll look at that interview next. Stay with us.



RICK PERRY, GOVERNOR, TEXAS: Look at the map of Texas, it is -- it`s
pretty red. Matter of fact, it`s just almost all red. If you look at
those 254 counties as the election results flow in except for one little
blue spot right in the middle where I live. Austin.

I call that the blueberry in the tomato soup.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. This is the story for the folks who
take a shower after work. Where Governor Rick Perry thinks the State of
Texas is the state of denial.

Texas has shown bright red on the election map but it tied really could be
changing the assault on women`s healthcare, the rejection of Obamacare, and
the focus on leaving wage jobs have fired up the liberal base on the lone
star state.

I traveled down to Dallas last Friday to do a focus group with folks about
the changing political climate in the state.


SCHULTZ: Do you think Texas will turn blue?

MICHAEL MCPHAIL, TEXAS VOTER: If national democrats put their money into
Texas. We will flip the state and Republicans will either have to change
their stand -- for the right-wing stand on the issues or face presidential
obscurity. They`ll never get the White House back once Texas slips.

SHARON BARBOSA-CRAIN, TEXAS VOTER: We`ll have better outcomes when we
start dealing with healthcare for our people, especially our women.

SCHULTZ: You`re focusing on Obamacare and women`s issues. Did that
somewhat propel Wendy Davis to go down the road of abortion and had this
story to evolve?

MARYA ALLUMS, TEXAS VOTER: So much emphasis has been placed on, you know,
she stood up for abortion. That wasn`t it. She was actually standing up
for women`s right to have access to healthcare.

KEN STANFORD, TEXAS VOTER: Nobody honestly did not have access to
healthcare. They had -- they might have had problem getting health

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Myself, I have had medical problems that I have been
able -- unable to take care of for the lack of insurance and the lack of

SCHULTZ: They don`t have a state exchange here. They didn`t take you to
Medicare, any of that?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (Inaudible) to the federal exchange.

SCHULTZ: So, it`s back to the old days?


SCHULTZ: You feel like the state missed out on a great opportunity?


SCHULTZ: How so?

RICHARDSON: Well, they`ve turned down billions of dollars in, you know,
Obamacare money to come to the state that will build the economy and jobs.

SCHULTZ: Finally, Hillary Clinton, I want some opinions. I want to hear

CELINA VASQUEZ, TEXAS VOTER: We are absolutely setting up the
infrastructure and the ground game for Hillary Clinton in 2016.

RICHARDSON: College students, we`re faced with, you know, hundreds of
thousands of dollars of debt when we leave college. And they know that
people like Wendy Davis and people like Hillary Clinton will help us get
through that.

SCHULTZ: What about Joe Biden? What about Bernie Sanders?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bernie Sanders would be great.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But when it`s your time, it`s your time and the
momentum right now is with Hillary Clinton.

SCHULTZ: Governor Perry?

MICHAEL MESSER, TEXAS VOTER: I really hope that he runs for president and
here is why. Because every time Rick Perry runs for a higher office, the
national media pays attention to him. They pay attention to him. They pay
attention to his policies. They pay attention of what happens here in
Texas. And that translates to more informed voters here in the state.


SCHULTZ: I`m joined tonight by Sarah Slamen, Field Director of the Fort
Bend Democratic Party in Texas.

Sarah, good to have you on again tonight, I was really surprised at some of
the answers I was getting. I was even told that they think that Hillary
Clinton can win Texas. So, I`m balancing that comment from that group
against the comment of what Governor Perry was saying that of the 254
counties in the state there`s a lot of red out there.

So, is the state as red at heart as it is on the map? Your thoughts.

to say I`m so proud of those Texans and I agreed with everything they`ve

It`s a shame that Perry can`t read a map of his own state. Dallas is blue,
you know, he spends plenty of time there, that`s a blue county.

Absolutely, you know, if like someone said in the clip, national democrats
make the investments and listen to Texans and listen to the people in our
party who have been doing the hard work for the past 30 years, we can build
a momentum we need for 2016 and 2018.

SCHULTZ: Well, Texas is a low-voter turnout state, isn`t it?

SLAMEN: Yes sir, it is. We have the lowest turnout in the nation. We`re
also very big. It`s 26 million person state.

The gerrymandering has not helped for people as far as, you know, if they
could feel represented by whoever is running but yes, we definitely suffer
from low turnout not low voter registration.

SCHULTZ: So, what turns that around? I mean, you`re going to have to get
that turnout if you`re going to turn blue.

SLAMEN: Absolutely. So, I think this year we`re focusing on the base
voters, our true Democrats, you know, from the party standpoint. The
people who come out and vote our primaries will most likely determine our
midterm elections.

By paying attention to these people, these soldiers, who really come out
from you and I`d like to highlight the African-American women who really
carry Democratic Party politics, we`re going to get better at making
messages that connect with voters.

You know, I don`t like it when I hear people talk about Texas as data
points and algorithms and say hard working instead of middle class and
working class.

The more we listen to our primary voters, our most dedicated Texan
Democrats, the better off we`re going to be. So, I think finally having a
full slate that we can really believe in and in the face of all of this
failure from Republican leadership, I think we`re going to be OK.

SCHULTZ: All right. We`re going to have more of Texas conversation in the
coming days.

Sarah Slamen, good to have you with us tonight. Can Texas go blue? We`ll

That`s the Ed Show. I`m Ed Schultz. PoliticsNation with Reverend Al
Sharpton starts right now.

Good evening, Rev.


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