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THE ED SHOW
October 1, 2014
Guest: Elijah Cummings, Wendell Potter, Leo Gerard, Peter Hotez, Alex
Padilla, Reese Halter, Julian Bailes
ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening, Americans, and welcome to "the Ed
Show," live from New York Tonight. We start with breaking news. Secret
Service director Julia Pierson has resigned following a big hearing
yesterday on Capitol Hill, which focused on the September 19th security
breach in the White House. A man with a knife jumped the fence and made it
well into the White House before being stopped. Pierson`s replacement will
be veteran Joseph Clancy.
Clancy was formerly the Special Agent-in-Charge of the Presidential
Protection Division of the Secret Service. This news follows yesterday`s
heated house Oversight Committee hearing on Capital Hill. Members of
Congress were not impressed with Pierson`s failure. Moments ago, White
House Press Secretary Josh Ernest addressed the issue.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JOSH ERNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: She spent several hours in front
of the cameras yesterday answering difficult questions for Members of
Congress. In the context of that interaction, she took responsibility for
the shortcomings of the agency that she led and she took responsibility for
fixing them. And that quite simply I think is a testament to her
professionalism into her character.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: President Obama called Pierson following her resignation to
express his appreciation for her time serving the agency. I want to turn
now to the ranking member on the Oversight Committee, Maryland Congressman
Elijah Cummings who was very troubled by what he heard yesterday.
Congressman, is this the move that had to be made? Your thoughts on the
REP. ELIJAH CUMMINGS, (D) MARYLAND: It absolutely had to be made, Ed
because a culture has developed in the Secret Service whereby Secret
Service agents feel more comfortable coming before a Member of Congress and
talking about the problems in the Secret Service and revealing information
that they were either afraid to or feared or do not think would be heard if
they took it to higher-ups like -- to Director Pierson and so...
SCHULTZ: And why was it like that, Congressman? Why?
CUMMINGS: ... I don`t -- I`m not -- I don`t know but that culture does not
help when you try and try to change an organization and by the way, it also
erodes a trust not only within the organization but with the public and
certainly I guess with -- by the First Family.
SCHULTZ: Congressman, there was another security breach in Atlanta on
September 16th. Apparently...
SCHULTZ: ... an armed contractor with a criminal record was on an elevator
with the President and the White House is confirming that the President
found out right before the breach was reported. And it makes me wonder
number one, who`s running the country? How powerful is the Secret Service
and what is the President of the United States going to need to know basis
here? What`s going on here?
CUMMINGS: Well, I got to tell you, Ed there was a lot of very
disappointing information that come out of the hearing yesterday and then,
this Atlanta incident also was very -- gave us a lot of concern. You know,
the Secret Service, Ed a lot of their power comes from their ability to do
the job in an excellent way and have a reputation for doing so. That
reputation is very, very important because a reputation is what helps deter
people from trying to attack the White House or bring harm to the President
and others. And that reputation was clearly eroding and so we had to
hopefully restore. We can now begin to restore some of that trust...
CUMMINGS: ... and restore that reputation.
SCHULTZ: Congressman, why isn`t there`re oversight on a daily basis? Does
the Secret Service -- are they a rogue organization? It would seem to me,
if you want to change the culture like if you want to change the culture in
business you got to change personnel and you got to change procedures.
There`s a lot of things that got to happen to change your culture. Why is
it that they...
SCHULTZ: ... Why is it that your committee isn`t made aware right away of
security breaches? For instance, why wasn`t the government Oversight
Committee told within hours that there was a criminal or a guy with a
contract or with a criminal record on the elevator with the President? Why
SCHULTZ: ... that kind of tightness?
CUMMINGS: We should`ve had that kind of information but that goes to the
very essence of my first statement. When you have Secret Service agents
who don`t feel the comfort of, you know, of going to their higher-ups and
the higher-ups would normally like the head of the I.S. (ph) would normally
bring those kind of concerns to us. And that certainly if not happening,
we have to get it from whistle blower members of the service and that just
Again, I -- but you`ve said something else, Ed that I think we need to keep
in mind. You know, first of all, I want to thank Miss Pierson for a
service -- for 30 years of dedicated service but, Ed this culture then just
come about just because of Miss Pierson.
SCHULTZ: Yeah. And there`s been other breach there.
CUMMINGS: Oh, yeah. And then, Ed my point is that there are probably some
other folks who need to take the exit sign -- the exit ramp out too. And
I`m hoping that Secretary Johnson of Homeland Security will take a very
close look at this agency and make sure that folks who don`t need to be
there are let go.
SCHULTZ: You want some heads to roll?
CUMMINGS: I want some heads to roll.
CUMMINGS: Because I want this organization restored to the reputation that
it had before.
SCHULTZ: And also, Congressman...
CUMMINGS: And it`s very important.
SCHULTZ: ... how about Mr. Clancy? He is now the Interim Director coming
back out of the private sector after years of service. Are you comfortable
CUMMINGS: I`m comfortable with that. The President believes that Mr.
Clancy would take a bullet forward. He has worked with him before. He
feels very, very comfortable with him and he thinks he`s an outstanding
professional. He also knows that he`s well respected by the other members
of the Secret Service. And so, I feel as the President feel that strongly
about him, I feel good about it.
SCHULTZ: Congressman Elijah Cummings, I appreciate your time tonight on
the Ed Show. Thanks so much.
CUMMINGS: Thank you.
SCHULTZ: Changing topics now. Today is a day of anniversaries. Everyone
is worried about ISIS, no doubt, and Ebola. What`s happening there? We`ll
have more on that later on the show.
But on October 1st, 2013, one year ago today, everybody was talking about
the government shutdown and the rollout of ObamaCare. Basically, two very
horrible anniversaries for Republicans right now. This time, we`re going
to hear Republicans were so furious.
Uninsured Americans were finally going to be getting some healthcare, they
shutdown the government and it cost this country a lot of money 18 days.
That`s how long the shutdown lasted. It devastated our economy. Over
100,000 people lost their jobs and it cost our economy $24 billion. This
number is the only thing that Republican Party has accomplished with the
We lost 24 billion.
Democrats and the President -- they did not cave. ObamaCare was enacted
and there was Conservative outrage for months following the rocky rollout.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
REP. JOHN BOEHNER, (R-OH), HOUSE SPEAKER: The problem with the ObamaCare
isn`t just a -- the website. It`s the whole law.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is not working out to be fair to the American
taxpayer. It is not fair to millions of Americans that they are losing the
policy that they have had, that they like, that fits their needs.
ERIC CANTOR, (R-VA), MAJORITY LEADER: The bottom-line is that problems
with ObamaCare run deeper than just a website. I mean the failed website
is the most visible problem with ObamaCare right now but it`s not just the
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That insurance that they decided was good enough for
them is no longer good enough for them and so they can no longer have it.
Now, they must go out and buy an alternative insurance, one that maybe
covers more things, including things that they quite frankly don`t need and
don`t want to pay for. And by the way, will probably cost them a lot more
money. I wished that that was just a horror story in the movies or in
fiction but its reality.
BOEHNER: There is no way to fix this monstrosity.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: I`ll tell you what? We had experts all over the place, didn`t
we? There`s no doubt that the healthcare got gone, the rollout didn`t go
very well but it got fixed. It got better everyday, that`s what the
President said was going to happen.
Problems were fixed and one year later, ObamaCare is doing better than
ever. Let`s take a look at the numbers, folks. So far, and this is the
number, 10.3 million uninsured Americans are now enrolled and they are
receiving coverage since October 1st of 2013. Here`s the big key, there
has been a 25 percent increase in the total number of insurers selling
health insurance in the marketplace. The numbers, it`s the numbers.
You`re in business, it`s the numbers that count, correct?
Well, let`s go to the board. Let me show you some numbers here, folks. We
were told by the Republicans that this healthcare law was going to be
nothing but a big government takeover. Well, let`s look at the stock
market. Let`s look at the private sector. Let`s look at United Health
Gosh, their stock was at 7,258, one year ago today. Since then, they`ve
had a 16 percent increase because that`s what it close that today. That
was just one company.
Well, wait a minute. What about the rest of them? How about Humana? They
closed at 9,535, one year ago today. Today, here they are, 34 percent
If you invested in Humana, you got a pretty good return on your investment.
Looks like ObamaCare didn`t hurt Humana too much.
How about Aetna? 22 percent increase. Cigna, 13 percent increase.
Wellpoint, 37 percent increase. Come on, Republicans tell me how
healthcare is going to get screwed up in America.
Here`s your profit board for the insurance industry right now. That is not
a government takeover. They lied to you. And they lied to you when they
told at you that they had a better plan because if the Republicans had a
better plan, they would have called a big press conference today and say,
"You know, one year ago today, we started out with ObamaCare and look at
You won`t see Boehner -- of course Cantor is not around anymore -- you
won`t see Boehner or any Rubio or any of these other exports on the private
sector coming out and talk about these numbers. Aren`t they a damn key-off
(ph)? Wall Street thinks, "It`s pretty good. 34 percent return to your
money." Well, that 37 percent at Wellpoint?
Well, this says (ph) Obama is not so bad after all.
So much for the Republican lie and that`s exactly what it is of a
government takeover of our healthcare system.
Let`s not forget seniors. 8.2 million seniors have saved over $11.5
billion. Where do you think that money went? That money went right back
into the economy.
By the way, how many months of private sector job growth have we had? The
growth of healthcare has dropped from 2010 to 2013 per capita. Healthcare
costs have grown at an annual rate of 1.1 percent? That`s all? That`s the
slowest rate for any three year period on record.
Let`s talk about the hospitals for a moment. The hospitals are projected
to save $5.7 billion this year in uncompensated healthcare cost. You know
the Republican plan was, well, you can always get healthcare, just going
over to the number to zero. Yeah. But who`s paying the bill?
That`s not happening anymore. That`s how much has been saved. That means
that the taxpayer isn`t picking up the tab for Americans who can afford
74 percent of those savings are coming from states that expanded Medicaid.
But wait a minute, we have Republican governors get in the way. There are
23 states that still have not expanded Medicaid. If Republican governors
would have gotten on board, these hospitals in their states would`ve been
saving billions of dollars. They don`t deserve to be reelected.
The next open enrollment, here we go again. Houston? We got a problem.
The next ObamaCare enrollment opportunity begins on November 15th. There
are some reports saying that the website is going to have some problems but
we`ve been down this road before. It`ll get fix if there are problems.
But after a year, I`m going to bet that the website is going to work pretty
Meanwhile, these guys, they want you to forget about ObamaCare that`s why
they`re not talking about it. They want to talk about ISIS. They want to
talk about social -- the Secret Service. They want to talk about anything
else, but what we were talking about a year ago, which is revolutionary
change, change that I can believe in, change that you can believe in.
The government shutdown was all they gave us and it cost us $24 billion.
This time, last year, the American people pinned the blame solely on them
for costing the government $24 billion.
Notice how Republicans are ominously silent today. Now one is out
complaining one year -- on the one-year-anniversary of ObamaCare. Give me
those healthcare numbers one more time, fellows. You see, I`m a private
sector guy and so is the President. I love profit.
They know its working and they can`t argue with these numbers and the
Get your cellphones out. I want to know what you think. Tonight`s
question, were the Republicans wrong on healthcare? I`m going to ask that
question in a very sensitive voice tonight because I don`t want them
getting mad at me because I have the facts on my side.
But were the Republicans wrong on healthcare? Text A for yes, text B for
no to 67622. And you can leave a comment on our blog at ed.msnbc.com and
of course, we`ll bring you the results later. And I want you to think hard
about who you vote for in November when it comes to a governor that
rejected ObamaCare and the Medicaid expansion in your state that has cost
the taxpayers billions of dollars everywhere.
For more, let me bring in Wendell Potter, Senior Analyst in the Center for
Public Integrity and Leo Gerard, President of United Steelworkers
International. Gentlemen, great to have you with us tonight.
WENDELL POTTER, SENIOR ANALYST: Thank you. Good to be with you.
SCHULTZ: Mr. Potter, one year later, how successful is it?
POTTER: Now, you did a great job, Ed in that -- explaining that. One
thing that I think also needs to be added is that all of us have benefited
because insurance companies can no longer engage in a lot of the practices
they used to do as common business practices. They can no longer drop us
from coverage if we get sick. They can no longer refuse to sell us
coverage because of the preexisting condition. We cannot keep our kids on
our policies until they turn 26.
And the rate of the insured -- uninsured in this country has dropped from
21 percent a year ago to just 16 percent. So we have come so, so far in
just a year`s time.
SCHULTZ: Mr. Gerard, what does this really meant to over 10 million people
who now have insurance and relate that to this election that`s coming up.
Had it not been for the Democrats, this would have never have happened.
They changed people`s lives. Connect that to the election on motivating
LEO GERARD, UNITED STEELWORKERS INTERNATIONAL PRESIDENT: Well, I think the
first thing we`ve got to do is recognize that if all of those governors and
all of those people that tried to make sure that ObamaCare didn`t happen,
if they had not succeeded in preventing ObamaCare in the exchanges in their
states we probably have approximately 20 million people. We got to
remember that Republicans voted over 50 times to repeal ObamaCare.
I think what should have to know is every Democratic candidate in the
country that`s confronting a Republican has to ask them, which part of
ObamaCare would you repeal? The part where women got free breast exams?
The part where your kids can stay on your program? The part where you
close door on (ph) for the seniors that saved billions of dollars? And you
go through each section and ask them which part they would repeal.
And I actually think that you should take that issue head-on in the last
weeks and months or the last days and months of this election cycle.
If they would have succeeded in stopping ObamaCare, we would have had still
growing ranks of uninsured. We`d had escalating things. We`d have kids
who got knocked out of their parent`s healthcare. We`d have people that
may have met their lifetime limit and couldn`t get healthcare. I think now
is the time to confront every Republican running for office and say, what
if you had succeeded?
What would you do about this? What would you do about that?
And we got to go to Mitch McConnell and we had to go to Kentucky where
Governor Beshear was so successful and we have to make sure that Lundergan
Grimes takes him head-on on this issue. He was the one that led the vote
50 times to repeal it.
SCHULTZ: And what`s so amazing is that he is leading in that poll in that
State of Kentucky. Go figure. Another issue is...
GERARD: Well, he`s leading with outside money just pouring in is
SCHULTZ: ... OK. And do you think that could be reversed? Which we know
that for the 47 percent or 39 percent, the latest poll by NBC news in the
Marist poll? Can that be reversed?
GERARD: Ed, I really believe if Alison takes him on and we look at the
close to 500,000 people that got healthcare because of Governor Beshear, a
GERARD: ... having the guts to stand up, having Democrats in the Congress
having their guts to stand up, having Democrats in the Senate the guts to
stand up. Take them on item by item in that healthcare, get those 500,000
people whose now got healthcare to vote and he`s out of there. He deserves
to be gone.
SCHULTZ: Mr. Potter, what`s the next move by the insurance industry? You
saw the numbers? The numbers are what they are. We`ve seen some pretty
healthy profits. Their world hasn`t changed too much, so what`s the next
POTTER: Well, the next move is to get even deeper into the exchanges.
United Healthcare as you have mentioned is going to in 25 states in 2015
which is a doubling of where they were this year. And the other companies
are going to be doing the same thing. We will have a lot more offerings to
choose from, a lot more companies will be selling products, selling health
plans on the exchanges next year than this year.
So they`re getting in this. They can see that this is a way for them to
win and we`re all winners here, not only our Canadian-Americans newly
insured. 12 million, the CBO -- the Congressional Budget Office estimates
by the end of this year, but so as a private sectors you mentioned. The
insurance companies, the hospitals, the drug manufacturers, everybody is
doing quite well.
SCHULTZ: So the Republicans weren`t wrong across the board or am I wrong
in stating that?
POTTER: They were because this has also helped the economy. When you had
people who have insurance, who are able to get the care that they need,
it`s helping the economy. It`s saving money because people are not having
to resort to expensive care in the emergency room often that they can`t pay
for. I hope with fewer (ph) people won`t have the tend -- who will have to
file for bankruptcy so it`s a good thing all around.
SCHULTZ: Mr. Potter and Mr. Gerard, good to have both of you with us
tonight. I appreciate your time here on this very important anniversary.
Next year, it`s even going to be better when it comes to more open
enrollment on ObamaCare.
Remember to answer tonight`s question there at the bottom of the screen.
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Paper or plastic? That`s a question folks in California -- they`re not
going to be having any answer anymore. You see the Rapid Response panel
weighs in on the State`s plastic bag banned and its environmental effects
for the better.
Pus, a warning from a Nurses Union about the threat of Ebola in the United
States. Are we as good as we say we are? We`re right back.
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CUMMINGS: And to be very frank with you, it was very difficult for me to
sleep last night.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The number three Trender, Secret Disservice.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There are on a whole lot of things that Republicans
and the Democrats agree on this date.
DARRELL ISSA, (R) CALIFORNIA: There were a series of security failure.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The security guard who had multiple felony conviction
shared an elevator with the President.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: New details they`re emerged on a Secret Service breach,
the guard allegedly had a gun.
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Why was this man not fully
REP. JOHN MICA, (R) FLORIDA: Have you ever heard of these guys?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Julia Pierson, the director of the U.S. Secret Service
offered the resignation.
JULIA PIERSON, FORMER U.S. SECRET SERVICE DIRECTOR: It is obvious that
mistake`s for me.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s out.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The number two Trender, Blew it Up.
ERIN BURNETT, CNN HOST: The President has been categorical. There will
not be American boots on the ground. Is it a promise that can be kept?
REP. PAUL RYAN, (R) WISCONSIN: I don`t think so, he don`t armchair general
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Paul Ryan challenges Obama`s ISIS plan.
RYANN: What I fear is the President is micromanaging the military.
JOE BIDEN, VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: With all due respect,
that`s a bunch a malarkey.
RYAN: Special Forces teams embedded with indigenous fighters and a
coordinated air campaign has been very successful for us in the past.
BILL CLINTON, 42ND PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We can`t win a land war
in Iraq, we proved that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In our top Trender, Outbreak.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is all hands on deck.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The man left Liberia September 19th. Apparently,
already infected with the disease, but not showing symptoms.
OBAMA: The chances of an Ebola outbreak here in the United States are
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The first Ebola case is diagnosed in the United States.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Four patients have been brought into this country after
contracting the disease in Africa.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The unidentified man is the first traveler to bring the
GOV. RICK PERRY, (R) TEXAS: Some school-aged children have been identified
is having had contact with the patient.
MARK LESTER, HEALTH OFFICIAL: Our staff is trained and prepared.
PERRY: Texas is one of only 13 states certified by the CDC to conduct
diagnostic Ebola testing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The lesson of this is to invest in public health
infrastructure the way we should be investing in other infrastructure.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: And joining us tonight here on the Ed Show, Dr. Peter Hotez, who
is a Ebola expert at the Texas Children`s Hospital.
Doctor, I appreciate your time again tonight. 24 hours now...
DR. PETER HOTEZ, EBOLA EXPERT: Thanks for having me back.
SCHULTZ: ... You bet. 24 hours after this was reported, how do you feel
we`re handling this right now and do we have a good grip on it?
HOTEZ: I think we do, you know, Tom Frieden last night made his remarks,
he thought the likelihood of this igniting an Ebola epidemic is very
remote, close to zero and I agree with that and the reason is because one,
we`ve got the patient -- the index case in isolation.
And secondly, we`ve got a system in place now to track all of the contacts.
My understanding is that as of this evening, there`s about a dozen contacts
have been identified, they`ll be isolated and they`ll have their
temperature taken twice a day. And if they develop a fever, they`ll then
be brought into the hospital and treated accordingly.
SCHULTZ: Doctor, the nurses are really the boots on the ground, there`s no
question they play at front lines?
HOTEZ: They are there the front lines, right.
SCHULTZ: They are the front lines and the National Nurses United Union
says that more than 60 percent of hospitals are not prepared to handle
Ebola. They`re calling for preparedness plan in every U.S. hospital
including training and equipment. Your assessment of this. Is this
possible and do you share their concern?
HOTEZ: Well, I can tell you that in our Texas Medical Center which has a
number of hospitals, we follow CDC instructions very closely. We have
instructions from the CDC, it`s a matter of educating the nursing staff,
making them aware that if a patient has a fibra alumnus (ph), has a fever,
and is coming from one of the three affected West African countries --
Liberia, Guinea, Sierra Leone from the last 21-days, that`s cause to
isolate the patient -- from the protecting -- that`s fairly straight
forward in terms of more detailed isolation precautions.
Most hospitals in the United States should be able to manage that.
SCHULTZ: OK. But does it concern you that the nurses say that they
haven`t been given the proper training to handle this particular situation?
HOTEZ: There`s something that I learned very early on when I was a young
pediatric health officer is you listen to nurses. So I do think we have
take them very seriously and if they`ve made that statement, we have too
look at what the specific gaps are and then address them accordingly. It
won`t have that big in impact right now in this current index case in
Dallas, but I think when things calm down, we need to revisit that with the
nurses. I actually agree with that.
SCHULTZ: The word "epidemic" is pretty strong. No question about that.
But could we potentially believe that there are maybe some other patients
that have Ebola that could, you know, unfold here in this whole scenario
that`s playing out, that there will be more patients yet that their level
of concern (inaudible)?
HOTEZ: I can`t say there will be, I`d say it`s certainly a possibility.
Unfortunately, we had this incident where the patient was sent home. He`s
allowed another two or three days where this individual could have come in
contact with others. So it is a possibility that we could have one or two
more cases rising out of this.
I`m hoping it won`t happen, but there is a possibility...
SCHULTZ: So how do you prevent that?
HOTEZ: ... The good new is both the CDC and the State Health Department I
think our in top of this.
SCHULTZ: Well, how do you prevent that from sending a patient home when
you`re really not sure?
HOTEZ: I`m sorry, I`m not sure about the question.
SCHULTZ: Well, how do you, I mean, if they send a patient home and that
patient came into contact with other people, how do we know that won`t
happen again? How do you prevent that?
HOTEZ: Well, I think at this point now, most hospitals have, you know,
taken the lessons learned from what just happened over the last couple of
days. And I think probably every emergency room in a hospital -- I mean,
emergency room in the country right now has their antenna up (ph) about a
patient coming in from those three affected West African countries and if
they have a fibra alumnus (ph), I`d be very surprise if that happen again.
It shouldn`t happen the first time, I don`t think we know all of the
circumstances what cause that error in judgment that I`d be very surprise
for that to happen again.
SCHULTZ: Dr. Peter Hotez, such a great resource and I really appreciate
your time tonight. Ebola expert from the Texas Children Hospital, thank
you so much, sir.
Coming up, State Senator Alex Padilla, joins me to discuss the bill he
created to end the use of plastic bags in California and have an impact on
Plus Michele Bachmann thinks marriage equality is boring. She lands in
I got your questions next. Ask Ed Live coming up at the Ed Show. Stay
SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. I appreciate the questions in our
Ask Ed Live questions segment tonight. Our first question comes from
James. "Why aren`t people being quarantined when they come from Ebola
infected countries?" Well, why don`t we have travel restriction? That`s
what`s I don`t understand.
Quarantine? I don`t know. I mean you want to bring them here and then
quarantine them. I would think a travel restriction which I would be in
favor of until they are tested from West Africa before they`re allowed in
the United States. It just makes sense.
This is isn`t about political correctness or in offending anybody, this is
a serious health situation and it could spiral out of control if we`re not
careful. I would be in favor of a travel restriction and screening.
Our next question is from Jimmy. "Do you think that the hateful rhetoric
from Republicans puts President Obama and his family in danger?" Well, the
Republicans aren`t the only one that come up with hateful rhetoric towards
the President. Words count and words inspire people and my answer to that
Stick around, Rapid Response Panel is next.
HAMPTON PEARSON: I`m Hampton Pearson with your CNBC Market Wrap.
A steep selloff on Wall Street. The Dow slides 238 points, the S&P drops
26, the NASDAQ falls by 71 points.
Investors largely ignored the report from ATP showing the private sector
added 213,000 jobs in September. That was mostly inline with estimates.
Meanwhile, airline stocks getting hit today on fears that the arrival of
the Ebola in the U.S. might spark an air travel slow down. Delta, United,
JetBlue and Southwest all said its lower.
That`s it from CNBC, first in business worldwide.
SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Thanks for watching tonight.
California took a controversial step to help the environment and reverse
climate change. They did it by the law.
Soon you`re not going to be able to hear the question paper or plastic in
check out counters across the state. You see, Governor Jerry Brown signed
a law of banning single-use plastic bags at grocery stores and pharmacies
starting on July 1st, 2015.
Now this is the first ban of its kind in the country. Not everybody is
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Be sure to think about the impact and neglect -- what
really are we leaving behind and (inaudible) for down that`s with the back
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The trouble is California doesn`t necessarily lead the
attitudes of the real people.
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SCHULTZ: More than 13 billion plastic bags are handed out to Americans
every year. Many of those bags end up in the ocean and travel long
distances with ocean currents and winds. The litter is a vicious killer of
marine mammals, sea birds and other wildlife.
The United States Academy of Sciences estimates the amount of marine litter
in the oceans worldwide is about 6.4 million tons per year. This is a vast
area in the North Pacific Ocean contaminated with plastic. Filmmakers VICE
traveled there to see the impact.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I cannot hear it`s like in the sea, you know, the trash
dump, pieces in the water that you can pull out but instead what I got was
an even ruder awakening.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think the plastic is everywhere...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... all the world.
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SCHULTZ: Environmental conditions are changing dramatically as a result of
human behavior. A new study from the WWF says humans are to blame for a 52
percent decline in wildlife populations between 1970 and 2010.
And this is just an amazing site. Look at this. Right now, there are
thousands of walruses gathered on the shoreline in Alaska. The ice
formations which walruses usually rely on for resting between hunts for
their survival is disappearing.
The retreat of the Alaskan sea ice is accelerating in recent years due to
For more, let me bring in our panelists tonight, Governor -- or should I
say California State Senator Alex Padilla, who introduced the law and wrote
the bill for the single-use plastic bag ban in California. Also with us
tonight, Dr. Reese Halter, Conservation Biologist in New School in
California. Gentlemen, good to have you with us tonight.
Alex, did you...
SEN. ALEX PADILLA, (D) CALIFORNIA: Thanks for having me.
SCHULTZ: Alex, did you think this was going to be a slam dunk? How hard
was this to get through?
PADILLA: Oh, by no means, it wasn`t a slam dunk. In fact, different
iterations of this bill have been introduced for nearly seven years in the
California Senate. I took up the torch last year and even I -- it took me
two years again to the governor`s (inaudible) for the first time, but
Governor Brown saw the vision of this bill. Good for the environment, but
also good for government`s budgets and we could talk about that.
And we hopefully set the standards for the rest of the (inaudible).
SCHULTZ: How so government budgets? How does it help?
PADILLA: Oh, believe me or not, in California, more than $25 million a
year is spent throughout the state by cities and counties to clean up a
plastic bag. It did a beautiful job obtaining the impact of -- in the
Pacific Ocean and the marine life, but plastics bag also impact our
communities, our storm drains, our parks, they create blight and despite of
each efforts, they can`t really be recycled.
And so all that money that previously had been going to collecting plastic
bags, time to dispose of them can not be reinvested into a police, fire
services, schools, libraries much better use of text dollars.
SCHULTZ: And I understand that this bill is also going to be providing
some two million dollars in competitive loans to this plastic bag
manufactures that are shifting their operations, what about that?
PADILLA: Yes. So one of the arguments in the past that sort of helped
stall the bill was this is concern supposedly about the job impact with
California manufactures have to lay people off, you know, I think estimates
for overblown but we did put a provision in this year`s bill to make
California a partner -- any California-based manufacturer who wants to get
out of the business of single-use plastic bags and get in to the business
of reusable bags the -- State of California with help finance those
retooling cost on the condition are be training and retaining those
And with that provision, we`ve earned the support of -- the manufactures
the retailers, the grocers, the environmental community of course...
PADILLA: ... and local governments across the border.
SCHULTZ: Dr. Reese Halter, is this going to have an impact, is this kind
of legislation we got to have is we`re going to reverse this?
PADILLA: Yeah, baby, yeah.
DR. REESE HALTER, CONSERVATION BIOLOGIST: Ed, good evening. And Senator,
nice to see you. This is a landmark decision and for California. Once
again, to lead the State of the Union.
These bags -- my student said, New School and I beach-combed along the Sta.
Monica Bay. These bags are awful because these bags choke tens of
thousands of our sea turtles, they are sponges for DDT, nestle Mercury,
bifennels, PCVs, and every other known toxin in the ocean. This is a
And by the way, around the years, we`ve manufactured over a half, a
trillion of these bags every year. We`re going to get rid of them now.
SCHULTZ: So or have other countries done this, Senator?
PADILLA: Absolutely. If you look at primarily at European countries, they
have faced out single-use plastic bags.
PADILLA: Or the model even that we`ve seen here in the U.S. where make a
plastic bag available for a fee, we don`t even think that`s good enough so
this would face out. Plastic paper would be available and...
PADILLA: ... they can get a bag for a fee. But the ultimate goal here is
to have consumers use reusable bags.
PADILLA: Reduce the waste (inaudible).
SCHULTZ: All right. Dr. Halter, I`ll only show the picture of this
SCHULTZ: .. what is happening here?
HALTER: Oh my.
SCHULTZ: Why are there a 40,000 walruses all of a sudden on shore?
HALTER: OK. Well, we`ve got an excess of 14 million pounds of beautiful
animals that require ice, Ed. And because ice is missing, they`ve
clambered together on shore here. So the first thing that we`re going to
see suddenly is mega aggression. Aggression will follow by hunger. Hunger
will lead to disease. These craters are telling our world, "Hello, is
anyone listening that the ice is melting." And instead of devising a
battle plan, we are continuing to subsidize to the tune of 1.9 trillion
oil, gas, and coal.
We need to future-proof and we need it now.
SCHULTZ: OK. So, is there any other phenomenon that might be unfolding
that would force those walruses to go to shore, is it definitely the ice
cap melting and the temperature of the water that have brought them to
where they are?
HALTER: Yeah. It -- Look, as I tell my students, if you lose your home,
you die. Their habitat is going. Look, the polar bears are in the same
basket here. This is awful and we`re seeing it. Because we`re seeing it,
it`s time to acknowledge it and device a battle plan to reduce...
SCHULTZ: All right.
HALTER: ... our greenhouse gases.
SCHULTZ: And the next time we come back, we`ll talk about what a solution
State Senator Alex Padilla, great work.
PADILLA: Thank you.
SCHULTZ: And also, Dr. Reese Halter, great to have you with us again
HALTER: Thanks, Ed.
SCHULTZ: Thanks so much.
Coming up, disturbing new findings on the impact of football on the human
brain. Dr. Julian Bailes, joins us to discuss. This hits to the game.
SCHULTZ: And in Pretenders tonight, always a hit. Minnesota Congresswoman
Michelle Bachmann makes a cut one more time. Over the weekend, Bachmann
made the headlines after saying same sex marriage is not an issue and
called it boring. On Monday she clarified her remark saying, "What I said
is that this wouldn`t be the issue that drives the 2014 election. I told
the reporter it`s getting boring having them only press this issue with
Republicans while ignoring Democrats." Someone should remind Bachmann she
has a long history of attacking gays in America.
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REP. MICHELLE BACHMANN, (R) MINNESOTA: People who are dealing with a very
real issue of sexual dysfunction in their life and inspectional identity
disorders. This is a very real issue. It`s not funny, it`s sad. Any of
you who have members of your family that are in the lifestyle -- we have a
member of our family that is, this is not funny. It`s a very sad life.
Its part of Satan I think to say that he`s gay.
The envelope is already being pushed. It`s not stopping with same sex
couples. The envelope is being pushed on polygamy, on group marriage, on
pedophilia, on incest, on bestiality. Concepts, a lot of us didn`t even
know were out there very long ago.
I am running for Presidency of the United States. I`m not running to be
anyone`s judge. I do stand very...
DAVID GREGORY, NBC NEWS HOST: But you`ve -- you had judge them.
BACHMANN: ... I don`t judge them. I don`t judge them. I am running for
Presidency of the United States.
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SCHULTZ: If Michelle Bachmann thinks that she can make Americans forget
about her long and disturbing history of attacks on gay Americans, she can
keep on pretending.
SCHULTZ: And finally tonight, in September, the NFL acknowledged nearly
one third of former NFL players will develop at least moderate,
neurocognitive problems and shows symptoms at a much younger age than the
general population. Kansas City Chiefs linebacker Jovan Belcher was just
25 years old. In December of 2012, Belcher shot and killed his 22-year-old
girlfriend, Kasandra Perkins. Belcher then drove to Arrowhead Stadium and
turned the gun in on himself.
Now, over year later after his body was exhumed, an autopsy reveals Belcher
was likely suffering from chronic traumatic encephalopathy or CTE. CTE is
a progressive degenerative brain disease found in people with a history of
repetitive brain trauma or hits to the head. That the disease has been
link to memory loss, confusion, impaired judgment, paranoia, impulse
control problems, aggression, depression, and progressive dementia.
But the NFL is finally taking steps to address the issue of domestic
violence among its players and it`s time to ask the question whether
there`s a link between this disease in violent or abusive behavior towards
others. But these football players are particularly vulnerable to CTE.
According to PBS` Frontline researchers at the National Largest Brain Bank
found evidence of the disease in 76 of 79 former NFL players it examined.
Joining me tonight, Dr. Julian Bailes, he is the Co-Director of the
NorthShore Neurological Institute. Dr., great to have you with us tonight.
Gosh that`s a very high number of former players that have been examined --
76 of 79, what do you make of that?
DR. JULIAN BAILES, NORTHSHORE NEUROLOGICAL INSTITUTE CO-DIRECTOR: Well, it
is a high number. We have to remember that that is a highly selected group
of people. So it was all those who thought they had symptoms or thought
they were having problems. So that is something that we`re aware of. It`s
It doesn`t reflect necessarily that is a number in the general population
of former athletes but it`s an impressive number. It`s an important number
no matter what or how high it is.
SCHULTZ: Dr., what about this disease possibly being connected to domestic
violence and violence against others?
BAILES: Well, that`s another horrific crime that we heard about or a
horrific scene in Kansas City and in that report, I haven`t seen the actual
medical slides or tissues but the report says that he had CTE changes. So
again, a very, very interesting turn and does this mean that this is
occurring in more cases? We don`t know that. This is only one case but
it`s a very important question and it needs the sciences to continue to
pursue this and try to figure it out.
SCHULTZ: Do you think that there is enough evidence there to continue the
research to make sure that this -- there could possibly be a connection
here and this could be the linchpin to it all?
BAILES: Well, I think it`s an important clue perhaps. I think we have to
wait and get more evidence but look, we know that having your head hit
many, many times perhaps thousands of times could result in the injury to
the frontal lobe. So whether that results in these extreme behaviors, we
don`t know for sure. It`s hard for medicine and science to really predict
or explain all human behavior.
SCHULTZ: And Dr. Bailes, every human is different. It maybe a number of
hits on someone`s head versus someone else, is that might not have the
impact or is that an overstatement?
BAILES: No, you`re exactly right, Ed. And it`s individualized and perhaps
there`s a genetic aspect of this as it is -- was so many things in our
lives and our health. So again, I think that it is a perhaps a piece of
the puzzle that we`re beginning to understand more.
SCHULTZ: So, is that a defense for someone who possibly could be involved
in a domestic violence situation and how should be -- in your opinion,
should the NFL move forward with this kind of information? I mean, is
someone responsible for their behavior if they`re suffering from CTE?
BAILES: Well, that`s a question. I don`t think that we have answers or I
have the answers but a very good question. And, you know, is brain injury
enough to explain and excuse or give a legal alibi? I`m not the right
person to answer that question probably but I think this is an evolving
science. I think its one that we still have an incomplete knowledge.
These are still in terms of the epidemiology of any disease still early
days in our understanding of -- that how it all happens and how -- what the
SCHULTZ: Dr. Julian Bailes, great to you with us tonight. It`s a
fascinating subject and it`s something that we`re going to cover again and
I appreciate your time tonight. Thanks so much.
I do want to say that the NFL has agreed to pay $765 million to players
found to have neurological impairments. And many are thinking that that`s
a great start but there needs to be a lot more.
And that is the Ed Show for tonight.
I`m Ed Schultz. Politics Nation with Reverend Al Sharpton starts right
Good evening Rev.
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