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October 8, 2014

Guest: Peter Hotez, Corey Hebert, Bernie Sanders, Scott Paul

ED SCHULTZ, ED SHOW HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to the Ed
Show. You have been listening too and watching a press conference out of
Frisco, Texas where another person is reportedly experiencing symptoms of
Ebola. It`s important to note that this is not a second confirmed Ebola

Late this afternoon the patient arrived at a Texas Health Presbyterian
Hospital. This person claims had contact with the first Ebola patient in
the United States Thomas Duncan. The Frisco Texas Fire Chief just said
that the patient did not have contact with Duncan.

Moments ago, CDC director Dr. Thomas Frieden addressed the newest possible


THOMAS FRIEDEN, CDC DIRECTOR: My understanding and this is kind of recent
information but we will get definitive information in the next few hours,
is that there is someone who does not have either definite contact with
Ebola or definite symptoms of Ebola who`s being assessed.

And you know what we expect is that as people are more concerned as there`s
a higher index of suspicious, people will be assess, there will be rumors
and concerns and potential cases and that`s as it should be, we should just
keep it in perspective.

Right now, there`s only one patient who`s ever been diagnosed with T.B. --
I`m sorry, with Ebola in the U.S. and that individual tragically died
today. We are tracing the other -- the 48 people, 10 with definite and 38
with possible contact, none of them as of today has had fever or symptoms
suggestive of Ebola.


SCHULTZ: Earlier today Thomas Duncan, the first person diagnosed with
Ebola in the United States passed away. Duncan was pronounced dead at 7:51
A.M. at the Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas. Duncan arrived
in the United States from Liberia on September 28th and fell ill several
days later.

Today, it was confirmed, Duncan`s body will be cremated.

There have been no other cases of Ebola diagnosed in the United States.
CDC Director Frieden said hospitals need to keep Ebola on the forefront.


FRIEDEN: The three key steps are first, thinking of the possibility of
Ebola and identifying who may have the disease so that -- second, they can
be rapidly tested and third, effectively isolated. That`s crucial for our

And identification, diagnosis, and safe care of anyone who may have Ebola
needs to be top of mind right now for health care providers throughout the


SCHULTZ: In West Africa, the outbreak continuous to spread with over 3,700
people reported dead and 7,400 infected with Ebola. Today the CDC and the
Department of Homeland Security announced additional screening at a number
of different major U.S. airports, JFK, Dulles in Washington, also Newark
New Jersey, Chicago O`Hare, and Atlanta Hartsfield will see all new
measures taken to incoming passengers. Logan Airfield in Boston is also
looking into new screening at that airport.

Travelers from affected countries will be taken to a screening area and
observed for signs of illness and interrogated about their whereabouts and
how they are feeling. The new screening will start this Saturday at JFK in
New York.

It`s interesting to point out that 94 percent of travelers from Ebola
affected nations fly through that airport so they`re going to be doing the
screening here in the United States.

Moments ago, Dr. Frieden detailed the new measures.


FRIEDEN: The Department of Homeland Security, CBP, Customs and Board of
Protection will be implementing a new detailed questionnaire as well as
temperature taking and providing information to each traveler. If any
travelers are found either have a fever or have history of contact with
Ebola then the onsite Centers for Disease Control and Prevention public
health officer will further interview that individual, assess the
individual, and take additional action as appropriate.


SCHULTZ: Frieden said with these measures will of course come false


FRIEDEN: It`s going to find people with fever or contact who don`t have
Ebola. In fact, we know that over the past couple of months, about one out
of every 500 travelers boarding a plane in West Africa has had a fever.
Most of those had malaria. None of those as far as we know have been
diagnosed with Ebola. So we expect to see some patients with fever and
that will cause some -- obvious and understandable concern.


SCHULTZ: Earlier today, President Obama held a conference call with the
CDC and HHS officials to discuss the administration`s response to Ebola.

For more on all of this, let me bring in Dr. Peter Hotez. He is the
Director of the Texas Children Center for Vaccine Development and founding
Dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of


SCHULTZ: Also with us tonight, Dr. Corey Hebert, professor at LSU Health
Science Center.

Gentlemen, great to have you with us tonight. Dr. Hotez the screenings,
the American people want to know how effective are they going to be and
what kind of a firewall is this going to be to protect us against the
spread of Ebola. Your thoughts tonight sir?

PETER HOTEZ, EBOLA EXPERT: Thanks for the questions. It`s not a firewall
but it is belt -- extra belt and suspenders. Remember, these patients are
-- these individuals who are traveling from West Africa are getting
screened before they board the plane if they`re found to have fever, they
are not allowed to board the plane or any suggestion of an Ebola virus. In
the sense they`re getting re-screened when they come off the plane.

If you think about it, it`s very much like those of us who traveled form
Europe, we go through the initial screening of the European airport, and
then when they know it`s in American flight you get through a second round
of screening. So that`s like the way I think of it.

SCHULTZ: So Dr. Hotez, let`s say someone comes off a plane and has a high
fever, in your professional opinion what is the next best step for America
to take?

HOTEZ: If it`s a patient that comes from one of the three affected West
African countries, Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea and that patient comes
off the plane with a high fever, you want to immediately isolate the
patient. And as Dr. Frieden appropriately points out, remember Ebola is
still a very rare disease so the overwhelming likelihood is it`s not going
to be the Ebola, it`s going to be malaria or as we get closer into to flu
season it`s good enough to start thinking about influenza. So isolating
those patients and then taking the appropriate measures from there.

SCHULTZ: And is the isolation Dr. Hebert, something that can be done
effectively? And not to over blow this or not to make this into a big play
that America is going to have an Ebola outbreak. But people coming into
the country with a high fever or any kind of a fever could be a number of
different illnesses as it`s been pointed out. But how far do we go with
this and who`s responsible for doing it at this point?

mildly concerned about these quarantine rooms that they are trying to say
that they`re going to put these patients in. Because, you know, as the
doctor mentioned, you know, we have viruses that are a lot more contagious
than Ebola out there.

And so if you have a patient that has a fever and they have measles or they
have fever and they have the flu, if you put these people in the room and
they`re all together, then you might give someone the flu or you may give
someone the measles with could be more fatal than Ebola.

So that`s something that we really have to think about because do these
airports actually have the facilities to be able to handle a quarantine
type situation with the positive pressure or negative pressure rooms that
are necessary for -- depending on each type of illness. So I`m mildly
concern about that but I do think that this is a way to decrease the
possibility of having an Ebola case coming into the country.

But by no means -- let`s be very clear, by no means, is this a fail-safe to
stop an Ebola patient coming into this country.

SCHULTZ: At this point Dr. Hotez is there more that we should be doing at
airports, is this enough?

HOTEZ: No, I think this is a good measures, it`s an appropriate measures.
Remember, Ebola is still a rare disease in West Africa. We`re talking an
area with a population the size of Texas, with the number of cases which is
only two or three times the number of fatal drunk driving accidents we have
in Texas over the same period of time. So it`s still an uncommon disease.

If we get -- if a patient happens to have a fever they should be picked up
before they go on to the plane. So, I think it`s a good measure. It`s not
foolproof but its worthwhile undertaking.

SCHULTZ: Dr. Hebert, what do you think medical science has learned from
treating Mr. Duncan and what he has gone through now that he`s passed away?

HEBERT: Well, you know, I`m really saddened by the fact that this young
man passed away, I mean, he was on an experimental medication Brincidofovir
which something, you know, each case is going to be treated very
differently. But what I always want people to understand about his case is
that possibly, we can`t say for sure, but possibly if he had been picked up
as an Ebola case before he was sent home, the possibility of him getting
the appropriate care would have obviously been increased and that may have
been able to stop his demise.

As a physician every patient is different but what we learned is that, we
have to have Ebola on the mind just like the Director of the CDC said. So
that when a patient comes in, if they say that they have traveled to West
Africa and they have a fever, by no means can you think that they just may
have malaria. You have to think Ebola until proven otherwise.

SCHULTZ: Dr. Hotez, I`m just guessing that the American people now that
this gentleman, Mr. Duncan has passed away and that the announcement of
screenings are going to be taking place at these numerous airports where 94
percent of the people coming from these countries affected and this is
where folks normally coming into the United States, what message does that
send to the American people?

That -- can you tell our audience tonight that we`ve got to handle on this,
we`ve got to grip on this. And there`s a very slim chance that this is
going to turn into a big outbreak that the country needs to be seriously
concerned about.

I think that`s just intuition and gut check. I think that`s where most
Americans are right now. They`re trying to read what are these airport
screenings really tell us about what we know about what the future of Ebola
in America could be?

HOTEZ: Well, I think it`s important to keep in mind what we know about the
Ebola virus and the infection. This is a virus that is not easily
transmitted from person to person. It is very difficult to transmit the
Ebola virus infection.

The reason it is taken off so terribly in the three affected West African
countries is because of the complete breakdown and health care
infrastructure, inability to isolate patients, inability to provide beds
for them. That`s going to change as the President is now sending in 3,000
troops and Army Corp of Engineers and other interventions to create an
infrastructure there.

We`re looking at a very different situation in the United States. So I
think the likelihood that we`re going to see another Ebola case for
instance from this one individual from Dallas is low. I don`t think we`re
going to be seeing a lot of additional Ebola patients if any, but having
said that, we have to take a lot of precautions and I think both the CDC
and state and local health agencies have their antennas up, and do have
things well in hand. So I feel very safe tonight about Ebola.

There`s a lot of tropical disease affecting the United States and those are
the ones I worry about.

SCHULTZ: OK. Dr. Hotez, Dr. Hebert, great to have you with us tonight on
the Ed Show. I appreciate your time on this. Coming up, outsourced,
senate hopeful Dave Perdue is celebrating his job killing past but first
Vikings` running back Adrian Peterson`s day in court.

Keep it here, lots more coming upon the Ed Show. We`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: Time now for Trenders on the Ed Show, join the Ed Team. Here`s
where you can find us. You can get my podcast at,,, and on iTunes. It`s available 24/7.
It`s free.

Ed Show social media nation has decided. We`re reporting. Here are
today`s top trenders voted on by you.


JOHN KERRY, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: I`m here this morning to make an
urgent plea to countries in the world to step up even further.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The number three trender, threats in Syria.

MARTIN DEMPSEY, U.S. ARMY GENERAL: They`re becoming more savvy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now, the nation`s top military leader fears the terror
leaders (ph) about to take control of a key city in Syria.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It wants to thumb its nose at Turkey, it was the thumb
its nose at the United States.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The U.S.-lead coalition conducted six airstrikes near
the town.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ISIS moves to capture Kobani.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ISIS fighters have tried to capture the Kurdish city
for weeks.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, certainly no one wants to see Kobani fall.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They`re still calling for more strikes and they`re
still calling for a weapon, corridors (ph) to be open.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The number two trender, Ferguson unrest.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The NLB playoffs games in St. Louis have been
identified as "protest targets".

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If we don`t get it.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: These all come after about 50 demonstrators delayed
part of a St. Louis symphony performance.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Protesters clash at Busch Stadium.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Justice for Mike Brown.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Justice for Mike Brown.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s a high level of emotion and a high level of

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They continued their call for, a look into law

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And today`s top trender, on defense.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Adrian Peterson is due in court this morning.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This man loves his children dearly. He is a really
good guy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A report this week in the Minneapolis Star Tribune that
his fathered at least six children out of wedlock and was investigated for
rape he was never charged. Corporate sponsors like Nike and Radisson cut

ANDREA TANTARO, FOX NEWS COMMENTATOR: The only thing they understand is
the bottom dollar.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Peterson still collecting $11.75 million in salary.

Adrian Peterson`s lawyers are hoping for a quick trial date so he can get
back on the field.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a case about parenting decisions and whether
something unfortunate happened.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Peterson twitted in September, "I never ever intended
to harm my son. I will say the same thing once I have my."


SCHULTZ: Joining me tonight, Michael Eric Dyson, Professor of Sociology at
Georgetown University and MSNBC political analyst.

This is as much legal as it is anything else tonight, our conversation
professor. The trial date for Adrian Peterson set for December 1st. His
camp is looking for a speedy trial. This is some real delicate territory
here. If he is convicted on this he`s going to be facing several years of
incarceration which is mandatory.

And you heard his attorney saying, well, he love his kids. He`s really a
good guy.
He has personal habits that -- what many Americans maybe tough to defend or
understand. How does this play as you see it?

absolutely right in laying it all out. Legally of course, you know, belts
and brushes are accepted as normal practices within corporal punishment
because corporal punishment is legal in every state in this country. But
when you look at, you know, cords and when you look at other implements,
they`re seen as abusive.

So it`s going to be a very delicate balance between, on the one hand
understanding the legitimate need as has been defined parents to exercise
corporal punishment though I disagree with that but American said you can
do this.

So Adrian Peterson believes that he`s within his rights to do that but
other are trying to prove, the people who are bringing the case against him
of course is that he was abusive. And if the story holds up that they were
lesion in the mouth, that there were welts on the body, that this boy was
threatened with further punishment should be tell. And that Peterson has
exemplified and exhibited a pattern that he`s been strikingly abusive then
it`s going to be a more difficult road for him.

SCHULTZ: A report in Minneapolis Star Tribune highlights a controversy
with the funds in Peterson`s charity and a dropped sexual assault
investigation. Trials can be the image basis in a big way. What kind of
an impact do you think this would have on him?

DYSON: We`ll he`s going to take a hit in terms of his brand, there`s no
doubt. Because look this man is in a vowed, a professed and vocal
Christian, he talks about his principles, he wears his religion on his
sleeves, he`s proudly -- like Tim Tebow was before, a person who
understands the nature of public proclamations about faith. But then on
the other hand, you know, he`s taking a hit in terms of somebody`s

Now those accusations were made but never brought to trial and never
officially -- he was never officially charged. And so as a result of that,
legally he maybe clear but in terms of his -- the perspective of him as a
human being I don`t think that that is immaterial. I think that will have
an impact upon how people see him.

It maybe had an impact about how people, you know, judge him in a jury case
or a judge who`s going to look at the evidence to suggest that this is a
disturbing pattern of poor choices and abusive relationships in his entire

SCHULTZ: And we are dealing with a high platform star athlete major
visibility, there are probably is no bigger story the NFL this year in
this. And the judge in the hearing was asked to apologize for calling
lawyers on both sides media horse.

DYSON: Right.

SCHULTZ: Do you think the court proceedings are going to be marked by a
spectacle as we move forward?

DYSON: Absolutely right. And plus, there`s a hearing I think November 4th
whether or not that judge recuse himself and be replaced by another judge.
The judge did apologize in Judge Case but I think that -- look, it`s going
to be a very difficult case to manage. The public, you know, interest in
this is high, even when Mr. Peterson was walking into court, you know,
women were shrieking about how handsome he was.

And, you know, you got -- look, this is race, this is gender, this is age,
this is region, this is football, this is an iconics, you know, person on
the one hand who`s a football star versus the perception about abuse among

So you`ve got all the elements of making up a sensational trial and I don`t
think that Adrian Peterson will be able to escape this and he won`t be able
to shield himself...


DYSON: ... from some of the hits that he will take in terms of his

SCHULTZ: Dr. Dyson, how is this about race? I have to ask you that
question? Isn`t this about behavior? Isn`t this about child rearing? How
is race as you see it play into this?

DYSON: Well look, of course all of -- you know, many Americans -- most
Americans agree that corporal punishment is a good thing and they believe
in that. So I`m not suggesting that corporal punishment is -- by any means
specifically African-American tree, but we can trace the ways in which
African-American people have used corporal punishment or how corporal
punishment has been used against us.

So in my New York Times op-ed I talked about the relationship of slavery to
corporal punishment. Often black people had to beat their kids in front of
the slave master to prove that they can the beat the initiative out of that
child or the independent spirit of the child, so that child won`t escape.
And they have to prove to the slave master that they were capable of
disciplining that child.

I`m saying passed on from generation to generation during General McCall,
they wanted to make sure they beat their children so they would not
misbehave in white public spaces where white people could murder them or
arbitrarily exercise violence against them. Think about Emmett Till
swizzling (ph) at a white woman, if that was the case and then taken of and
then thrown into Tallahatchie River so -- and murdered.

So the point is black people doing every stage of American history have had
to discipline their children. Think about now, with the police department
here in America, police departments across the country. Black people
believe if they are to have exercise control over children, they must
discipline them with corporal punishment so that they will not sass the
police person because of they sass the police person they may end up dead
on the street.

So there`s a vicious racial component in terms of understanding the context
within which black people have had to discipline their kids, and the
beliefs that, "Spare the rod and spoil the child." Now we know that`s a
1662 point by Samuel Butler. That`s not a biblical principle but a lot of
people appeal to the bible to say if you let your kids go rampant and run
wild they`re going to do things that are going to be messed up in the long

SCHULTZ: And I want to take just a 30 more seconds on this. I`m out of
time but I want to ask you this.

DYSON: Sure.

SCHULTZ: Did you just present the best possible defense for the running
back of the Minnesota Vikings?

DYSON: I mean maybe so. You got to talk about the fact that this is
inherited from our tradition. This is something that black people have
done for a long time. This is something my mother did to me.

This is an acceptable practice. Religious figures could come forward and
say, "Yes, this is what we believe." And even though I disagree of what
that particular kind of outlook...


DYSON: ... and perspective and practice, there`s no doubt that Adrian
Peterson will be appealing to these kinds of arguments to substantiate his
claim that what he did is not exceptional but within the acceptable bound
of black moral practice.

SCHULTZ: OK. Dr. Michael Eric Dyson always, great to have you with us on
the Ed Show. I appreciate your time tonight.

DYSON: Thank you.

SCHULTZ: Coming up, a month before the midterms, Georgia senate candidates
debate over what`s important to folks in America. Jobs

Senator Bernie Sanders joins me to discuss. I heard a lot about that today
in Iowa as well.

Plus, the most shocking reaction to the Supreme Court`s decision to
legalize gay marriage. See who lands in pretenders tonight.

Next, your questions on Ask Ed Live here on the Ed Show on MSNBC. We`ll be
right back.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. I appreciate your questions every
night. We answer a few here on Ask Ed Live.

Our first question comes from C.J. "Why don`t most Americans care about
the midterm elections?" You know, I hope and pray that they do care about
it but the dumbing down of America could be one of our most saddest
chapters when it`s all said and done.

Americans need to care because the issues are very intense and this is
probably one of the most important midterm elections ever. Because the
country has become very radical, on the left and on the right for that
matter somewhere in there is there center? I don`t know.

But everybody says low turnout. I was in Iowa today and I heard that there
as well. I`ll tell you what people are sick of, the constant berating of
one another and the commercials that are never ending.

Our next question is from Adam. He wants to know, "What is your favorite
beer?" Well, to be honest with you folk, I`m just not a big beer drinker
anymore. Not that I`ve turned into wine snob but if you want to go
Beefeater and Tonic and a twist of lime now you`re talking big Ed`s

Stick around, Rapid Response Panel is next.

Market Wrap.

Stocks surged optimism about low interest rates. The Dow jumping 274
points, it`s the best gain of the year. The S&P adds 33. The NASDAQ ends
up 83 nearly 2 percent.

Markets rallied after the releasing of latest Fed Minutes. They showed
policy makers in agreement about future rate hikes being dependent on
economic data. And after the closing bell, Alcoa reported revenue and
earnings that beat estimates shares are higher in late trading.

That`s it from CNBC, first in business worldwide.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. We go now to a topic Americans care
more about than Ebola and ISIS and that would be jobs. And there are
numbers to prove it.

The latest polling from CBS shows 34 percent of Americans say the economy
is the most important issue. I was in Iowa today, not one person said ISIS
or Ebola to me. They all talked about jobs.

Healthcare comes in second with 17 percent and terrorism comes in third
with 16 percent.

Folks, it`s all about the economy and jobs. I know its 20-years-old, it`s
the economy stupid but its still plays.

This is on full display down in Georgia and a number of other Senate seats
that are in play. Democratic candidate Michelle Nunn of Georgia and
Republican candidate David Perdue are in a close race in one of Georgia`s -
- for one of Georgia`s Senate seats.

In the latest poll shows Purdue is up by just three points. It`s within
the margin of error and right now it really is anybody`s race. Last night
the candidates squared of in a headed debate of the Georgia State Fair.
Michelle Nunn went on offense and slammed Purdue`s long career as a proud


he has unique experience to, you know, really give him the opportunity to
serve in the Senate with 10 other folks that have business experience. But
I`ll tell you he would be even more unique than that. He would be the only
Senator that from his own words has built a career around outsourcing
American jobs.

That is not the experience that we need in Washington.

David and this deposition talked about 16 countries, Thailand, in
Singapore, in Indian, Pakistan but not once did he talk about creating jobs
in the United States.


SCHULTZ: Perdue claims this is just one big smear on his reputation.


SEN. DAVID PERDUE, (R) GEORGIA: This is another attempt by my desperate
opposition to use one line out of a 186-page document to define a career.
Let me tell you what the issue is. The issue is over the past 30 or 40
years we`ve decimated entire industries because of bad government policies,
tax policies, regulation policies, compliance issue.

What I have fought for in this campaign is to get this economy going again.
I believe that we have to stop the nonsense in Washington. It doesn`t work
for us. We`ve got to reform our tax code, we`ve got to reform our
regulatory overreach, and finally we got to unlock our energy resources.


SCHULTZ: First of all, it`s going to be hard for Perdue to backpedal from
his careers as an outsourcer when asked about the report in question. He
said, "Defend it? I`m proud of it."

Perdue also blames outsourcing on government regulation. He is flat out
wrong on that number. If anything more regulation would stop outsourcing.

Since NAFTA was passed in 1994, we`ve lost over 700,000 jobs because of
outsourcing. Our trade deficit with Mexico has skyrocketed to over $60

Republican practices of the regulation free trade in outsourcing have
crashed American jobs and put pressure on the middle class. President
Obama has worked hard to bring back American manufacturing jobs. A few
days ago he highlighted the recent success of American manufacturing.


opening their doors. More than half of manufacturing executives have said
they`re actively looking to bring jobs back from China. Our businesses are
selling more goods overseas than any time in our history.


SCHULTZ: The numbers don`t lie. Since February of 2010, the American
manufacturing sectors has added 700,000 jobs. Thanks to Democratic efforts
some of NAFTA`s damage has been offset.

The American economy has own a roll, if you want to call of that, 55
straight months of private sector growth. What is not on the roll is upper
wages. Over 10 million jobs have been added but a lot of them at lower

In just 26 days Americans have a very important choice to make. You can
vote for the hard progress, President Obama has made or you can vote for
the party of David Perdue that is a concrete track record of shipping jobs
overseas. That`s their economic model.

For more, let me bring in Bernie Sanders, Senator from Vermont and Scott
Paul who was the President of the Alliance for American Manufacturing.

Senator, I know you`ve been in Iowa a lot. I`m doing a story on it for
next week`s Ed Show. I was there today. I heard a lot about opportunity,
I heard a lot about jobs going overseas and what is come back in to Iowa,
does that match what has left. Is that what you`re hearing?

SEN. BERNIE SANDER, (I) VERMONT: Absolutely Ed. The fact to the matter
is, since the year 2000 we have lost 60,000 manufacturing plants in the
United States of America and millions, millions of decent paying jobs and a
lot that is attributable to our disastrous trade policy of not NAFTA,
CAFTA, permanent normal trade relations with China.

And it`s not only the loss of jobs. We are on a race to the bottom because
now companies in America will have to compete with companies that have
moved a broad -- who can manufacture at a lower wages. And that is one of
the reasons why median family income has declined by $5,000 since the year

So this is the issue that people are talking about. In my view everything
that I hear is, people want us to transform our trade policy, demand the
corporate America, start reinvesting in the United States of America and
not in China. And I find it very hard to believe that a candidate like Mr.
Perdue could actually be proud of throwing -- helping to throw American
workers out on the street and move plants aboard.

That`s nothing to be proud of.

SCHULTZ: Scott Paul, the President is making the case that manufacturing
has bounced back. President Obama says that a big progress has been made
in manufacturing. Is that true? Do you see it that way?

PAUL: We made some progress Ed. And certainly we`ve seen more progress in
manufacturing jobs than we have anytime since the early 1990s. Senator
Sanders has correctly identified the biggest impediment to further
manufacturing job growth which is our trade deficit.

We have a record trade deficit with China last year. We have continuing
high trade deficits with countries like Japan. And I think this attack
that Michele Nunn has launched will have some power if you are rewind the
tapes to 2012, think about the Romney-Obama Campaign one of the most
powerful images from that campaign was an ad that included Bain Capitals
outsourcing of jobs in states like Indiana.

It was actually recorded as the most powerful spot of the election cycle.
So I think this will resonate with voters and I will say unfortunately it`s
not confined to David Perdue himself, there`s lots of candidates who have
bad ideas as well about where to head on free trade with China and other
countries, and not only do we need to address the business practice of
outsourcing but we need to address the policy, the trade policies as well
which is something I didn`t here from David Perdue`s mouth.

SCHULTZ: Senator, Ebola and ISIS have sacked a lot of action, out of the
room, grabbed a lot of attention yet when you go to the middle of the
country, you still hear about jobs. And they`re doesn`t seem to be a lot
of confidence in what President Obama has accomplished with 55 months of
private sector job growth. Where is the disconnect here as you see it and
what has to be messaged to the people before the midterms?

SANDERS: Well, I think there are a couple of disconnects, Ed. First of
all the corporate media unfortunately is not terribly interested in what
happens to the American working class. Just not all that interest, not a
lot of discussion about trade, not raising the minimum wage about pay
equity, about growing income and wealth and equality. That`s not just what
they`re interested in.

Second of all, what I think is that in every meeting that I go to, Ed, the
issues that people are talking about is what is happening not only to their
lives and in many cases what their lives are about, working longer hours
for lower wages, worrying whether they could have a job tomorrow. But
they`re also worried about their kids. What kind of economic life are
their kids going to have? All they`re going to be decent paying jobs for
their kids.

Look, in my view, you are never going to have a strong economy unless we
are producing real products. And while we have seen in recent years an
increase in manufacturing jobs in this country, what we have also seen is
that many jobs being created including the manufacturing jobs are not
paying the kinds of wages that our working people need.

In fact many of the new manufacturing jobs being created today are paying
significantly less than the manufacturing jobs that we have lost. So I

SCHULTZ: No doubt.

SANDERS: . while we are much better, and I think nobody can deny this.
Economically today than where we were six years ago, the reality is that
the middle class continuous to decline, people are still struggling, wages
are not inadequate, poverty is much too high and the gap between the people
on top and everybody else continuous to grow wider and wider.

SCHULTZ: Senator Bernie Sanders, Scott Paul, Alliance for American
Manufacturing, good to have you gentlemen with us tonight. I appreciate it
so much. Thank you

Coming up, Sunny Place Shady Politics, we got the latest in a closely
watched race from in Florida for governor. Keep it here. We`ll be right


SCHULTZ: And Pretenders tonight, the good Reverend Mike Huckabee, the
former Arkansas Governor is not impressed with the reason Supreme Court
non-ruling on gay marriage. The court`s decision to step aside and put the
issue back to the lower courts effectively legalized same-sex marriage
equality in several new states.

Huckabee suggested states should just ignore the highest court in the land.


FRM. GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE, (R) GOVERNOR: I think we would remind people that
constitutional crisis is not when we actually have obeyed it. It`s when we
utterly disregard it. I mean, I look back to 1973 and I`m wondering what
would have happened had the two branches of government the executive and
the legislative simply said, we appreciate your opinion court, but now if
states wish to empower that, I guess t hey can do so. But until that
happens then we`re not automatically going to go killing 55 million babies
over the next 40 years.


SCHULTZ: Huckabee`s thinking is not only wrong, it`s dangerous. The
Federal Government is the glue that keeps the United States united.
Whether it`s a Federal Law like Obamacare or a Supreme Court ruling states
must abide by the law. If Huckabee thinks it is good governance for states
just simply ignore the Supreme Court, he can keep on pretending.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. It`s getting hot in Florida. The
governor`s race heading with the Sunshine State, Charlie Crist is making
sure the voters remember Republican Governor Rick Scott is responsible for
the largest Medicare fraud settlement in history.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is Columbia HCA putting profits ahead of patients.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They were and Rick Scott was CEO.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He was specifically training their executives to
basically steal from the government.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Scott pled the fifth 75 times. His company found
guilty of massive Medicare fraud. Tax payers and seniors are cheated but
Rick Scott walked away with millions.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You got rich on the back of American health care

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He got rich and we`re still paying the price. Rick
Scott, "Too Shady for the Sunshine State".


SCHULTZ: In the past, Governor Rick Scott has tried to sell himself as a
Medicare and Medicaid defender.


GOV. RICK SCOTT, (R) FLORIDA: I worked everyday to make sure their
assistance can get health care. Our Medicare recipients see their Medicaid
program rated by the administration.

The administration is not thinking about the families in Florida, they`re
not thinking about senior citizens that paid into Medicare, when they raid
Medicare to pay for Obamacare.


SCHULTZ: Florida voters are being bombarded by ads from both candidates,
the race is among the most expensive state level contest in the entire
country this year. More than $31 million has been spent mostly by outside
groups and 64,000 television ads are played.

The race is still extremely closed. A new survey, U.S. poll has Charlie
Crist with 44 percent, Rick Scott at 42 percent, libertarian candidate
Adrian Wyllie is in at 6 percent.

Crist and Scott will faced off in the first of three televised debates on
Friday. It should be heated. Ahead of that debate, Rick Scott is getting
some high profiled GOP help on the campaign trail.

Today, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie is making to stops with Scott in
South Florida.

Mike Papantonio, Ring of Fire Radio Host and also Florida resident and
American`s Attorney joins us tonight.

Mike is this -- it`s very clear that Crist is trying to get people to
remember just what happened with Rick Scott and Medicare. Is it going to
work? Is the Medicare fraud going to be a big drag on Scott`s campaign
down the stretch?

State" is working. Look, this is -- Scott spent $30 to $40 million to try
to move his favorable. His favorable is right somewhere around Ebola and
ISIS kind of numbers.

So when that happens to a candidate, he has to short (ph) his unfavorables.
So what`s happening this time is you have Scott`s last run. He ran against
the very weak candidate. He had huge Koch money. But he can actually move
his favorables. He can`t do that this time and Crist keeps that attack up
"Too Shady for the Sunshine State" is working.

It`s resonating because it`s simple. He`s simply calling Rick Scott a
criminal. He`s not equivocal about it. He doesn`t mince words. He says
this is guy that stole $1.7 billion from Medicaid and Medicare and now he
tries to pay his way out of it which he did as a multimillionaire after he


PAPANTONIO: . 75 -- but the point Ed, this doesn`t help him -- this
doesn`t help Scott move his favorables in his camp is kind of freaked out
that they can`t move his favorables up.

SCHULTZ: Mike, what is Chris Christie going to do for Rick Scott? Is this
a good play for him?

PAPANTONIO: It`s amazing that Republicans already have this branded
criminality after McDonald, after Rick Perry, Scott Walker, all of these
investigations going on and you have Chris Christie out there as your
campaign stunt guy who`s always already very suspect. The best thing he
could do probably is put Jeb Bush out.

But Chris Christie is -- I mean do really want to -- do you really to
surround yourself with folks, where there`s this suspension out there. And
there`s a huge suspension about Chris Christie. So, especially when you
already have this notion by the voters that you`re a criminal yourself and
that`s happening to Rick Scott. It`s lead to this.


PAPANTONIO: . it`s lead to them asking questions even Ed about Rick
Scott`s sketchy blind trusts. Now the media is getting on to that issue it
makes him look more like a criminal. He`s got a criminal problem and
criminal image.

SCHULTZ: And what about the absentee ballots, they are now out across the
state, voting has basically started, what does Crist need to do to get
Democrats in his corner?

PAPANTONIO: Exactly what he is doing. Last time -- look you hear these
people saying that this argument about Scott being a criminal doesn`t work.
They tried it last time. Well, they tried it with a very weak candidate
and they tried it during the time when Scott...


PAPANTONIO: ... couldn`t move his favorables. He is simply can`t do that
now. It`s not a good argument.

SCHULTZ: And what about these three televise debates, the first one on
Friday. How is this going to play out?

PAPANTONIO: There is something that we call in Florida that`s developed.
It`s called the creepy image that Rick Scott has, that creepy image
surfaces every time he`s in front of the camera, every time he does an ad.
He`s horrible in debates and the creepy image is going to come out. It`s
going to really hurt is my prediction in a big way.

SCHUTZ: All right Mike Papantonio, great to have you with us tonight.

I want to tell only all of you that spent the day in Iowa today. It is
about jobs. I`ll have that report next Monday. And tomorrow I`m going to
be in South Dakota focusing on that senate race as well. The middle of the
country, the Republicans think they have it wrapped up. We`ll the story
next week here on the Ed Show.

That`s the Ed Show, I`m Ed Schultz.

Politics Nation with Reverend Al Sharpton starts right now.

Good evening, Rev.


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