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THE ED SHOW
October 15, 2014
Guest: Kelly O`Donnell, Peter Hotez, Tim Ryan, Larry Kudlow, Brad
Woodhouse, Harold Cook
ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to the Ed Show
live from New York.
Let`s get to work.
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CLAY JENKINS, DALLAS COUNTY JUDGE: We are preparing contingencies for more
and that is a very real possibility.
MARK POTTER, NBC NIGHTLY NEWS HOST: Officials are quite serious when they
say there are maybe other cases. The CDC, the local officials, they knew
DANIEL VARGA, TEXAS HEALTH RESOURCES SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT: There was an
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One flew out of the areas.
VARGA: I don`t think we have a symptomatic, institutional problem.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The CDC clearly fell down on the job.
DR. THOMAS FRIEDEN, U.S. CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL AND PREVENTION
DIRECTOR: I`ve been hearing loud and clear from health care workers from
around the country that they`re worried.
SYLVIA BURWELL, SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES: I do have
confidence in the CDC and Dr. Frieden.
FRIEDEN: I wish we had put teams like this on the ground the day that
patient -- the first patient was diagnosed.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Crisis management 101...
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Obviously, one case is too
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SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight, folks. Thanks for watching.
We start with breaking news at this hour on Ebola that`s happening here in
the United States as we are waiting for remarks from the President on Ebola
just moments ago. We`ll get that tape to you soon. We`ll bring it to you
when the President speaks.
But first, a second nurse at the Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital has
tested positive for Ebola. The nurse has been identified by NBC News as
Amber Vinson. Vinson provided care to the first Ebola patient Thomas
Duncan who later passed away. Vinson will be transferred to Emory
University Hospital today to undergo treatment. She reported a fever on
Tuesday morning and was put in isolation within 90 minutes.
On Monday Vinson traveled by air from Cleveland, Ohio to Dallas, Texas, the
CDC confirmed she took this Frontier Airlines flight 11:43. Vinson showed
no signs or symptoms while on the flight, however, because of the close
proximity of time between the flight and initial symptoms, the CDC is
reaching out to all passengers and crew that we`re on that flight. Anyone
who might be at risk will be closely monitored.
CDC Director said today that there was a very low risk that anyone who
traveled on that flight. Frontier Airlines` plane was moved to a remote
runway at Cleveland Hopkins Airport and decontaminated and is expected to
be back in operation later this evening.
Vinson is related to three workers at Kent State University who have been
asked to remain off-campus for 21 days. A total of 77 workers treated
Duncan at Texas Health Presbyterian. The other 75 are being closely
The CDC said today, monitored workers will no longer be able to travel. So
far, two have fallen ill with Ebola and there is a chance others will get
Last night, National Nurses United held a conference call with nurses from
the facility Dallas Health Presbyterian Hospital. The nurses from Dallas
asked to stay anonymous for fear that they might lose their jobs.
Here`s what they told National Nurses United.
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DEBORAH BURGER, CALIFORNIA NURSES ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT: Mr. Duncan was
left for several hours, not in isolation, in an area where other patients
were present. Initial nurses who interacted with Mr. Duncan wore generic
gowns. They also left exposed the majority of their heads and their scrubs
from the knees down.
After they recommended that the nurses wear isolation suits, the nurses
raised questions and concerns about the fact that the skin on their neck
was exposed. They were told to use medical tape and had to use four to
five pieces of medical tape.
Some hospital personnel were coming in and out of the isolation areas in
the emergency department without having worn the proper protective
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SCHULTZ: As we reported on this program, nurses around the country feel
like the hospitals are not prepared to handle Ebola.
A survey showed that 85 percent of nurses say their hospital has not
provided education on Ebola with the ability to ask questions. 37 percent
say their hospital has insufficient protective gear.
These issues must be addressed or more accidents area going to happen.
For more, let me bring in NBC News Correspondent Kelly O`Donnell who is at
the White House tonight.
Kelly, there has to be a heightened sense of urgency amongst the White
House personnel. What are you hearing tonight?
KELLY O`DONNELL, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Well at any moment Ed, we expect
that the door behind me may open up and the group of rotating reporters
known as the White House pool will bring out the tape after observing the
President having a meeting with key agency and cabinet officials to talk
about this issue.
The President were told that making remarks about 10 minutes in length but
it is not a live feed so we`re expecting that tape. That will give us the
newest indication of what the President`s concerns are, steps he`s prepared
Earlier today, the Press Secretary Josh Earnest talked about the situation
saying that the President who canceled political travel today, some
fundraising in order to be here gives an indication of how they considered
this an urgent matter, also talking about the potential for changes in
protocols and at the same time still expressing confidence which is an
important marker in terms of management in the head of the CDC.
We know of course the head of the CDC, Dr. Thomas Frieden has acknowledged
that there have been some missteps and how this was initially handled. He
suggested it might have been more prudent to send a team of experts on
Ebola to the Dallas hospital right away.
And now we`re seeing some changes in protocols, lots of questions. The
White House is still saying of course the likelihood of the spreading is
still very, very remote and it is still very difficult to catch but at the
same time, now that there are issues of transportation involved, more than
one case in the United States that there are issues they need to consider
and work out. So we expect to hear the President`s remarks at anytime now.
It is notable that the President canceled political travel today, Ed.
We`re only three weeks away from the election. It`s a sign of how
seriously they take this at a time when both the facts and the perceptions
surrounding all these issues related to the outbreak of Ebola are a
concern. Trying to ease people`s fears, provide them information and at
the same time questions being raised about effective is the management on
And those are questions that are popping up because of concerns about the
varying protocols or there are concerns or misunderstandings among the
nurses who have contracted the illness. All those things need to play out
and that`s what we expect to hear a bit more about from the President.
We know that he had a conference call with some world leaders earlier
talking about the need for the international community to address this
specially with respect to the Western Africa. The White House is also
still saying they do not believe any kind of a travel ban to West Africa
would be effective or appropriate at this time.
The reason they give they said that that would slow down relief efforts and
attempts to try to bring aid to those in need there, where the outbreak is
far more serious that what we`ve seen so far in the United States.
SCHULTZ: All right. Kelly O`Donnell at the White House tonight, I
appreciate your time. Thank you so much for that reporting.
Let me bring in Dr. Peter Hotez who is the Founding Dean of the National
School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine. Dr., good to
have you with us again tonight.
The Nurses United...
DR. PETER HOTEZ, EBOLA EXPERT: Good to be here.
SCHULTZ: ... you bet. The nurses on the scene at the hospital on that
conference call last night clearly explained that there has been a breach
in protocol, certain measures weren`t followed and there was exposure that
no one knew about until now. What`s your take on that?
HOTEZ: Well, I think we`re learning that we really cannot treat
complicated Ebola patients at community hospitals and that we really need
specialty hospitals for that purpose such as the three that we already have
nationwide in Atlanta, in Nebraska and in Montana.
And if you think about it, that makes sense. We don`t treat complicated
cancer patients at the community hospitals. We don`t do complicated heart
surgery at community hospitals, why should Ebola be any different?
SCHULTZ: Well Dr., it would seem to me that someone in a position of
authority now hearing the frontline defenders and the care providers right
there come out and explain exactly what unfolded with Mr. Duncan who passed
away a week ago.
That someone would say this can`t happen. And in some overwriting
authority is going to have to come in here and make some changes. What
changes have to be made?
You just mentioned about the community hospitals but what would be the
overwriting authority and how would that all unfold?
HOTEZ: Well I think it`s worth taking a step back and really understanding
a little more about this virus and who`s at risk and who`s not. I mean,
remember that when you`re first infected with the Ebola virus, the amount
of virus in your body is very low. And the risk of transmission from
person to person in an airplane or other settings such as that is
So, the first thing I want to do is put people at ease that they were not
going to be seeing an Ebola outbreak anywhere between Dallas or Cleveland.
The thing that happens about this virus, though, it has the unique ability
to inactive our immune defense mechanism. It inactivates the protein known
And that`s very important because what happens in the end-stages of
disease, we get massive virus proliferation. So that in the end-stages of
an illness you can have a patient of billions and billions of virus
particles in their body and they`re destroying their liver and other
So that`s why sometimes people were a bit confused. On the one hand, why
we are saying it`s not very contagious on the other hand we have all these
health care providers who maybe at risk of getting the infection and that`s
because at the end-stages of this illness, it`s a very different type of
disease and there is a lot of risk to health care providers and that`s why
we have to do it in specialty hospitals.
SCHULTZ: If two have fallen ill, do you think that there will be others
who are going to get sick?
HOTEZ: It`s possible. I`m hopeful that it won`t be given the incubation
period of the virus and I was hopeful that Ms. Pham was going to be our
last nurse infected. But we`ll have to see so that there could possibly be
one or two more.
SCHULTZ: Now there -- as you mentioned there are four hospitals around the
country with specialized biocontainment units for Ebola. Why do you think
only the second nurse has been moved to Emory? Should there be more?
Should there be more precautions taken?
And I guess I`m kind of troubled that if I were on that airplane and I
found out that a provider, a health care provider who was in direct contact
with Duncan that I was around, you know, I`d say, you know, I don`t feel
real good about that. And I was feeling somebody is going to roll on that.
HOTEZ: Yeah, I mean and clearly -- Well clearly, this nurse should not
have traveled. I don`t know what kind of miscommunication there was
between the nurse and the hospital staff and others. That was clearly a
But, you know, I mean -- I guess we`re still in the early stages of really
understanding what this virus is all about. And in some ways, I think an
enormous amount has been learned over the last couple of weeks and we`re
seeing new changes being implemented by the CDC.
I think in fairness to the CDC, what we have to say is why there may have
been some -- a couple of missteps, there has not been any community
transmission of the virus. Meaning, Mr. Duncan has not passed the virus on
to others out in the community and that`s because of the good work of the
CDC and state and local health agencies who have been able to identify
contacts and isolate them which is just the opposite of the situation we
would have in Liberia or Guinea or Sierra Leone.
SCHULT: All right. Dr. Peter Hotez, I appreciate your time tonight.
Thanks so much.
Let me bring in Congressman Tim Ryan of Ohio.
Tim, good to have you on set with us here tonight. This health care
provider went to your district. You must have questions tonight, what are
REP. TIM RYAN, (D) OHIO: Well, how do you get on an airplane? I mean, I
think that`s the basic question. And if she was not supposed to get on an
airplane and she was able to get on an airplane, what was their -- what was
the mistake? And why aren`t these folks who should be isolated, why aren`t
they flagged as a public health concern that they will not be able to get
on the airplane in the future. And clearly there`s a hole there and I want
to know how that`s happened.
SCHULTZ: Well this story continues to drip. For a week now we`ve been
told that the country is going to have it under control but yet another
piece of information comes out.
I think those nurses speaking because they were afraid they might get
fired. That`s not a very good situation to be and that you`ve got a
workplace of intimidation and you`ve got people`s lives on the lines and
they are afraid to speak up.
So they have this conference call last night. They`re talking about
exposure. So, who reels that in? Who`s the overwriting authority here?
Who`s going to come in with the hammer?
RYAN: Well, I think it`s the doctor. A lot of people are starting to pay
attention now and we`re seeing that the protocols and many of these
hospitals aren`t what they need to be.
The preparedness is not I think what it needs to be. And I`ve talked to
all the hospitals in Akron in my community. They`re getting ready. They
are prepared. They know what they`re doing.
They`re playing offense on this and not waiting around which is really good
news. We`ve got some great leaders in those hospitals.
But the reality of it is $200 million has been cut from Health and Human
Services preparedness, we lost $10 million just in Ohio hospitals alone.
And, not to mention the state in local cuts through the recession and
budget cuts in certain states.
So, how can these hospitals can be prepared if they don`t have the
resources? And so I think we need to get back to Congress. I think
Congress should be called back in session.
We need an emergency spending bill. We`re spending $1 billion in Western
African out through military, through the overseas contingency plan. Only
$88 million was allocated for the CDC.
We need to get back to D.C. and we need to make sure that we`re get some
new eyeballs on this to make sure that all the procedures are being
followed and the resources are there. You don`t want to come back later
and say, "Geez, we didn`t have enough money" or "We didn`t make enough
investments" to track down everybody that was on that airplane. Or any
further extensive contact tracking.
You need personnel. You need people.
SCHULTZ: Should there be strict oversight of these hospitals that are
dealing with this in handling Ebola? I mean, clearly the nurses are saying
that there are some issues when it comes to education, preparedness,
funding, all of these things and exposure.
So what`s the oversight here? Some hospital administrator who wants to
make a dollar?
RYAN: Well I think it should be immediate CDC comes in and make sure that
there`s a reeducation, that certain protocols are followed. I mean, the
idea is you got to catch it right where it is.
And everything that I`ve read about this is you got to, you know, you got
to get it right now and not wait around. And so the CDC should -- and they
should have the personnel to be able to go in and do that. And I`m not
sure exactly what`s happened down in Texas.
The full story will probably continue to reveal itself.
SCHULTZ: Your thoughts on a travel ban.
RYAN: You know, I don`t know if we`re there yet but I do think if we need
to have certain protocols in place in Western Africa to make sure that
they`re screening in place. You know, that may be something that we need
to look at.
But I think we need to get back to D.C. so that members of Congress are
educated about what all of our options are. And hearing it from the CDC,
hearing it from the administration, hearing it from the public health
experts as to what the decisions we should be making are.
SCHULTZ: It`s clear now that the hospital in Dallas was doing things that
the CDC did know about.
SCHULTZ: I mean that should be one hell of a concern, shouldn`t it?
RYAN: Yeah. It`s a big concern.
SCHULTZ: I mean, so we`re taking the hospitals word for it that, you know,
they`re on par, they`re on top of this. Oh by the way, some of their
people are traveling. One of their personnel was traveling and who knows
how many people those other 75 people have been exposed to.
RYAN: Yeah. And I don`t think there is many hospitals in our country
given all the budget cuts, given that the cuts that I mentioned in other
state and local cuts to public health that can possibly be prepared for an
Ebola outbreak or an Ebola patient. There`s not many that can be there.
So, immediately the Center for Disease Control should go in and not to
takeover the hospital but certainly manage and make sure that the workforce
there is prepared and trained in following the proper procedures and
SCHULTZ: OK. Congressman Tim Ryan of Ohio, good to have you with us
And of course President Obama spoke with reporters moments ago and we will
get that tape to you here before we get off the air. As soon as we can,
we`ll get it to you.
Coming up, Americans vote against their own best interest.
I spoke to the folks of Newton, Iowa. Rather interesting.
Plus, Republicans continued to fight for income inequality. Keep it here.
We`ll be right back.
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SCHULTZ: We`ll have more on what are Republican in Congress would mean for
the United States economy in just a moment. But first, a volatile global
economy is taking its hold here at home. The markets saw their worst
intraday loses since September of 2011.
The Dow ended the day down 173 points after dropping as much as 460 points
during trading hours. The S&P was down almost 3 percent during trading,
but end of the day, off less than one percent. In the NASDAQ dipped into
correction territory during the afternoon after dropping more than 100
points but, end of the day, off 11 points.
Larry Kudlow joins us tonight, Senior Contributor CNBC. Did we dodge a big
one today or what?
LARRY KUDLOW, CNBC SENIOR CONTRIBUTOR: The opening that`s really ugly,
SCHULTZ: What happened? What - what?
KUDLOW: I mean I`ve been around a while but that looks ugly.
SCHULTZ: What`s going on?
KUDLOW: You know, I think there`s a bunch of things but the biggest thing
I keep hearing is growth. People are very worried that the world economy
is going down the tubes. They`re starting in Europe and then they come to
the U.S. and they wind up in Japan and China.
I don`t happen to believe that, I acknowledge the world economy is low. I
actually I think the USA is better, believe it or not. Europe is worst
however. My view, take it for what`s it`s worth...
KUDLOW: Sometimes I get it right sometimes I get it wrong. I would buy
this correction. I would absolutely add to my 401K -- I don`t see any
recession, I don`t see any insulation, I see profits rising. And I think
lower oil prices and gasoline prices are unambiguously great for both
consumers and business.
SCHULTZ: Who else is going to put more disposable income in people`s
SCHULTZ: There`s no doubt about that. Anybody will take a good gas price,
but we`re of course using less gas. We have...
KUDLOW: We are.
SCHULTZ: ... since 2007 and 2013.
KUDLOW: You got it. You got the fracking revolution which is putting all
this gas on the market, OK? Oil and gas.
Secondly, you have some much lower consumption. You`re exactly right. I
thought the price would break last spring. I`m amazed it waited this long.
SCHULTZ: So, let me guess were Larry Kudlow is on this. Profits for
corporations are going to continue.
SCHULTZ: Interest rates, they`re not going to do anything, they`re going
to be about where they are right now.
KUDLOW: They`ll go up.
SCHULTZ: And the market`s going to stay pretty stable. And energy prices
that -- which are down right now are going to help this fourth quarter.
KUDLOW: I agree. I think -- I actually think politics decide...
SCHULTZ: How can you be right on so much stuff and then be wrong on so
much stuff when it comes to these hard workers out there?
KUDLOW: I`m a hard worker. I want to see the hard worker get jobs.
KUDLOW: I think the economy is moving up a little bit, you know, even
running at 2 percent for five years, OK. It`s not a good recovery. Look,
evidence shows it maybe moving into two half to three, next couple quarters
could be in the 3 percent zone. Look at man, I think it`s good for
SCHULTZ: Why is the Republican Party better suited to create jobs than the
Democrats or does it matter?
KUDLOW: Well look, I think it can matter. I mean, I`m writing a book
about JFK by the way and its tax cuts which gave America one of the
greatest economic booms in history. So, it could be bipartisan. But, it`s
And I will say this Ed, you may disagree. To me, the two biggest things we
should be doing right now. Number one, we should pass the Keystone
Pipeline and get that whole momentum going again create literally 100 of
1000 of blue collar jobs.
Second, I want to corporate tax cut. I want corporate tax cut. And I will
argue that the people who would benefit the most from a corporate tax cut
are not rich people. They are actually wage earners. Middle class wage
earners will benefit the most from a corporate tax.
SCHULTZ: Now, I want to be this interview to be testimony about how I can
keep my cool. The Keystone XL Pipeline will not create a 100 of 1000 of
jobs. I was there in there middle to country, those are temporary jobs
maybe 30,000 in construction that would be less than 18 months and about 40
full-time jobs at the end of the day.
KUDLOW: But secondary enter share, you got a lot of services, you got a
lot of transportation. I bet the pipeline itself is probably about 50,000
SCHULTZ: Not true.
KUDLOW: But when you calculate that out over a period of time, you`re
going to get a lot of job. Look, the thing is, we have a lot of pipelines
in this country.
SCHULTZ: We do.
KUDLOW: OK. They`re pretty good, they`re a lot safer than rails, they`re
a lot of safer that trucking. The President himself has flirted with the
Keystone. I guess he doesn`t want to do it before the election. Send the
signal, energy has become our greatest industry. Send the signal and if
you want to talk infrastructure, we need pipeline infrastructure to get all
that stuff from North Dakota and so forth, get it to the East Coast, get it
to the refineries. So, gasoline prices can come down.
SCHULTZ: Pipelines leak, putting it over the aquifer is a big, big risk.
And there`s other ways, a diversified way to move this oil and yet we don`t
needed because it`s the worst oil in the world this Tar Sands stuff.
KUDLOW: No, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. The Keystone Pipeline will
carry some Tar Sands stuff, I agree and it`s heavy. So...
KUDLOW: But, but, but, but the infrastructure I`m talking about will get
the ultra light oil from the Dakotas to the rest of the country.
SCHULTZ: That`s already being done by rail.
KUDLOW: Not enough and it`s dangerous.
SCHULTZ: Well, Dakota`s not complaining about it. He knows Burlington
Northern. He`s really moving that oil and the farmers are mad because they
can`t get grain on there.
KUDLOW: You`re right. But I will say this, it`s a lot safer to do it by
pipeline. It`s a lot safer. So, if you`re worried about that, you should
be really in favor. Look, we are -- Obama had said, we have lots of
SCHULTZ: And do have a lot of pipelines.
KUDLOW: He`s not against that.
SCHULTZ: But we don`t have it going over the all Ogallala aquifer. And
that`s -- This is away too much of a risk.
KUDLOW: But they`ve got -- they`ve gone around that.
SCHULTZ: No, they haven`t. They haven`t got it. They...
KUDLOW: This is the Nebraska thing you`re talking about.
SCHULTZ: That`s right. They don`t even have it -- that`s not permitted
properly in South Dakota, that ran out. It`s not permitted and it`s a
constitutional issue for eminent domain in Nebraska right now, big issue
there can have the government or anybody come along to say, "Hey, I think
I`m going to put a pipeline over your land."
The risk is too great. There`s -- And plus the oil is dirty as hell. I
mean there`s no reason for us to do it. Look at gas price is right now.
We`re pump in more oil right now that we ever have out of Dakotas. So, why
take Canadian oil across our soil and have that risk when it doesn`t affect
our market at all, Larry?
KUDLOW: The Canadians -- that oil is going to be pumped no matter what you
do. So, there is...
SCHULTZ: I don`t think so. Wait, wait.
KUDLOW: Sure, they`re going to pump. They`re going to pump west to China
or the latest one after listened to the Harper government in Canada,
they`re going to go east. Now, that`s an interesting thing because and
this is my biggest pointer, second biggest point.
I want to get our oil all this fracking oil to Europe. When you get into
Europe you are undermining Vladimir Putin and his creep-do (ph) empire.
SCHULTZ: Well, the fact that we`re using less is hurting the exporting of
oil right now. We`re hurting Putin right now because we`re using less oil
that we ever had.
KUDLOW: I agree with that.
SCHULTZ: Wind, solar, battery, all that stuff is where we have to go as a
country and that`s where the jobs are and that`s where we have to invest.
KUDLOW: It`s only two percent.
SCHULTZ: You`re coming back.
KUDLOW: I know you...
SCHULTZ: I got to run here...
KUDLOW: It`s only 2 or 3 percent.
SCHULTZ: Larry Kudlow, good to have you with us tonight. Thanks so much.
KUDLOW: My pleasure.
SCHULTZ: Coming up, Americans vote for personality over policy. My
interview with the folks in Newton, Iowa. Coming up.
Stay with us. We`ll be right back.
SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. You were looking at live pictures
of the second Ebola patient being transferred for care to Emory University
in Atlanta. This is Love Field in Dallas. We are also awaiting President
Obama`s remarks on the Ebola crisis.
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SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. The Senate race in Iowa is closer
than ever. The latest Quinnipiac Poll has Democrat Congressman Bruce
Braley trailing Tea Party-er Joni Ernst by just two points just three weeks
out from Election Day. Ernst in support of the Koch Brothers and does not
believe in a federal minimum wage.
She has said she`s opposed to the tax credits which have provided thousands
of green energy jobs to Iowa workers. Ernst wants to get rid of the
environmental production agency, Ernst who highlights her roots as a
farmer`s daughter said that she would have voted against the Farm Bill`s
Clean Water Act.
It raises questions. What motivates people to vote against their own self-
interest? I went to Newton, Iowa last week and talked to folks about why
they were siding with Ernst.
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So, you say, you voted, who`d you vote for?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I voted the Republican Party this time.
SCHULTZ: OK, and this time, you voted for Democrats in the past?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have.
SCHULTZ: What push you to the Republicans in the middle country this time?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, because -- Harry Reid is the guy I just like the
SCHULTZ: What do you think of all the filibusters that the Republicans
have had in the Senate? And when you hear the word obstruction, what`s
your response to that?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t know, it can be kind of a waste time and
money. And I`m not sure where...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What filibusters are you talking about?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The one...
SCHULTZ: Well, there`s a record number of filibusters, in other words, the
Senate has been stopped by the minority party on everything that they have
tried to pass, a record number of filibusters.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s the problem then. They don`t vote on anything.
Its Harry Reid does not let it come to the floor. So, they`ve never passed
the budget in what? In five years in the Senate? Now, how can you do
that? How can you run the government without budget?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Joining me tonight on a rapid response panel Brad Woodhouse from
the Democratic Party Communications Director and Harold Cook Democratic
Strategist from Texas. Gentlemen, good to have you with us tonight.
BRAD WOODHOUSE, U.S. DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR:
HAROLD COOK, PUBLIC RELATIONS STRATEGIST: Thanks.
SCHULTZ: It`s tough to go to the middle of the country sometimes and
listen to people who simply don`t know what the hell is going on. Where --
Brad, where`s the disconnect here when it comes to issues that are vital to
people`s lives and yet they vote against their own best interest. Your
take on this?
WOODHOUSE: Well, I mean look Ed, I think it`s often a head scratcher, I
mean I take the issue of seniors, I mean, so many seniors will vote with
Republicans who wanted to voucherize their Medicare, privatize or eliminate
their Social Security. The seniors went out to this kind of Koch brothers
in insurance industry, rallies against the Affordable Care Act saying, you
know, hands off my health care when they`re on Medicare.
So I think, part of the problem is the polarization, part of it is, you
know, people only get their information from certain sources either the
WOODHOUSE: ... or on the internet. And it`s really hard, it`s hard to
breakthrough but, you know, that`s why we got to keep plugging away.
That`s what Bruce Braley is plugging away and I want to think that`s why
he`s making progress in the recent polls.
SCHULTZ: You know, in politics certain issues and people get targeted.
Harry Reid has been targeted, Harold Cook, break it down for us. It
reached one couple.
COOK: Yeah. You know, I think it general there are sometimes three things
going on when people seem to vote against their self-interest. Thing
number one, I think Republicans are frankly better than Democrats sometimes
at stating over that 30,000 foot kind of value statement level when a lot
of voters wouldn`t even be aware that they`re stabbing themselves in the
The good example, it`s not a rare Republican. They`ll walk around and say,
"Oh, I`m in favor of the free market to grow the economy." Well, that`s
the same, it doesn`t sound half bad to some people even minimum wage
workers, but they may be unaware what that probably means is that that
candidate will not be supporting worker protections in case you get hurdled
or killed on the job and probably will not be supporting a raise in the
minimum wage and may not believe in the minimum wage at all.
That`s thing number one. Thing number two, I`ve seen it here a lot in
Texas, Republicans hate to say it. They`ll just lie. We`ve got Republican
candidates who run on all over the State of Texas right now, convincing
voters that public education is their highest priority. These are the same
Republicans who voted on the state legislature to cut $5.5 billion from the
COOK: And they crowded classrooms and they`ve laid off teachers. So I
mean, they will just lie but then, we ought to be very careful about
talking to this and we don`t disrespect voters because a lot of times, what
we believe should be, you know, logically, you know, voters best self-
interest is not what the voter himself believes is in his best interest.
They maybe distracted by a lot of things and the Republicans have been very
good at it, especially when it comes to their partnership with religious
SCHULTZ: Brad, what else in this minimum wage an issue that`s going to
WOODHOUSE: Well, I do. Look, I think it`s a help in Iowa to a great
extent. And I think it`s not just the minimum wage. It`s really -- It`s
the issues around...
WOODHOUSE: ... the minimum wage.
SCHULTZ: Gentleman, I got to interrupt you. We`ve just got this President
Obama tape in speaking with full reporters at the White House about Ebola.
Here it is.
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OBAMA: ... the second health care worker in Dallas with Ebola and in light
of this second case, I thought it was very important for me to bring
together our team including our CDC Director Tom Frieden to hear directly
from them in terms of how we are wrapping up our efforts here.
Obviously, initially, we want to express concern for the two health workers
who`ve been affected, you know, our nurses and our health care workers are
absolutely vital to the health and well-being of our families. They
sacrifice for us all the time not just in this case but in the case of
other illnesses that affect us.
They are selfless. They work hard. They`re often underpaid and so our
thoughts and prayers are with them and we have to make sure that we are
doing everything we can to take care of them even as they take care of us.
As a consequence, what we`ve been doing here today is reviewing exactly
what we know about what`s happened in Dallas and how we`re going to make
sure that something like this is not repeated and that we are monitoring,
supervising, overseeing in a much more aggressive way exactly what`s taken
place in Dallas initially and making sure that the lessons learned are then
transmitted to hospitals and clinics all across the country.
First of all, what I`ve directed the CDC to do is that as soon as somebody
is diagnosed with Ebola, we want a rapid response team, a SWAT team
essentially from the CDC to be on the ground as quickly as possible,
hopefully within 24 hours so that they are taking the local hospitals step
by step through exactly what needs to be done and making sure that all the
protocols are properly observed, that the use of protective equipment is
done effectively, the disposal of the protective equipment is done
The key thing to understand about this disease is that these protocols
work. We know that because they`ve been used for decades now, in Ebola
cases around the world, including the cases that were treated in Emory and
in Nebraska. So, if they`re done properly, they work. But we have to make
sure that understandably, certain local hospitals that may not have that
experience are walking -- walk through that process as carefully as
possible and we`re going to make sure that this rapid response team can do
In addition, we are reviewing every step of what`s happened since Mr.
Duncan was initially brought into the hospital in Dallas so that we
understand exactly where some of the problems may have occurred and doing a
thorough canvas and inventory of all the workers who had contact with Mr.
Duncan including those who engaged in some of the testing that took place.
We are now communicating all these various lessons to hospitals, clinics,
first responders around the country and obviously given all the attention
that this is received. We`re going to make sure that that provision of
information is constant, ongoing and being updated on a real-time basis.
In addition, we are working very carefully with the mayor of Dallas, the
governor of Texas and others to make sure that in the event, any other
cases arrives from these health workers that they are properly cared for in
a way that is consistent with public safety.
I know that people are concerned about the fact that the second health care
worker had traveled.
Here`s what we know about Ebola that it is not like the flu, it is not
airborne. The only way that a person can contract Ebola is by coming into
direct contact with the bodily fluids of somebody who is showing symptoms,
in other words, if they don`t have symptoms, they`re not contagious.
What we are able to do however is to do what`s called contact tracing so
that anybody who may have had contact with someone even who is incidental
contact, even if they weren`t showing symptoms, being able to identify who
those individuals are and make sure that they are then being monitored, in
a way that allows us to make certain that the disease does not spread
further. And that`s currently taking place in a very aggressive process
conducted by the CDC, HHS and the rest of our teams.
I want to use myself as an example just so the people have a sense of the
science here. I shook hands with, hugged and kissed, not the doctors but
couple of the nurses in Emory because of the valiant work that they did in
treating one of the patients. They followed the protocols. They knew what
they were doing and I felt perfectly safe of doing so. And so, this is not
a situation in which like a flu, the risk of a rapid spread of the disease
If we do these protocols properly, if we follow the steps, if we get the
information out then the likelihood of widespread Ebola outbreaks in this
country are very, very low. But, I think what we`ve all learned over the
last several weeks is that folks here in this county and a lot of
nonspecialized hospitals and clinics don`t have that much experience
dealing with these issues and so we`re going to have to push out this
information as aggressively as possible and that`s the instructions that I
provided to my team.
Just couple other points, you know, we are going to be monitoring carefully
the health status of the other health care workers in Dallas and obviously
they`re concerned. We understand that many of them are scared and we are
going to make sure that we`re on the ground 24/7 to provide them the kind
of support, information and assurance that they need to get through this
And finally, we`re also going to be continuing examining our screening
processes in airports. We`re making sure that in the event that we
additional cases that involved the need for transporting those patients to
specialized hospitals that those teams are in place and those facilities
are in place.
And, you know, we will make sure that on a day to day basis, we provide the
public with all the information they need and any updates about what is
happening not just in Dallas but what is being done across the country.
I`ll end with this point.
We are going to have to make sure that we do not lose sight of the
importance of the international response to what is taking place and what`s
I am absolutely confident that we can prevent a serious outbreak of the
disease here in the United States. But, it becomes more difficult to do so
if this epidemic of Ebola rages out of control in West Africa. If it does,
then it will spread globally in an age of frequent travel and, you know,
the kind of constant interactions that people have across the borders. And
so, it is very important for us to understand that the investment we make
in helping Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea deal with this problem is an
investment in our own public health.
This is not simply charity although, obviously it`s important that America
takes the lead on the humanitarian crisis that`s taking place there but it
is also probably the single most important thing that we can do to prevent
a more serious Ebola outbreak in this country is making sure that we get
what is a raging epidemic right now in West Africa, under control. So for
that reason, last night, I had a call with Prime Minister Abe of Japan to
solicit greater support for the international effort.
This morning, I spoke with Chancellor Merkel of Germany, Prime Minister
Renzi of Italy, President Hollande of France as well as David Cameron, the
Prime Minister of Great Britain to make sure that we are coordinating our
efforts and that we are putting in a lot more resources then. So far at
least the international community has put into this process.
So bottom line, in terms of the public, I want people to understand that
the dangers of you contracting Ebola, the dangerous of a serious outbreak
are extraordinarily low but we are taking this very seriously at the
highest levels of the government. And we are going to be able to manage
this particular situation but we have to look towards the future and if we
are not responding internationally in an effective way, and if we do not
set up the kind of preparedness and training in our public health
infrastructure here in the United States, not just for this outbreak but
for future outbreaks then we could have problems.
So, in the meantime, I want everybody to be thinking about and praying for
the two health workers that have gotten sick. Those who also treated this
patient with compassion and care, we just want to say thank you to them
and, you know, we are going to be doing everything we can to make sure that
they are properly cared for.
OK. Thank you very much everybody.
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SCHULTZ: The President within the last half hour at the White House
briefing pool reporters on exactly what America`s game plan will be in
dealing with Ebola. Clearly, the President is trying to reduce the fears
of the American people here, talking about his personal contact and
experience that he had with the health care providers at Emory University.
West Africa`s problem is our problem, that`s pretty much what the President
I`m joined tonight by NBC News correspondent Kelly O`Donnell at the White
House. Kelly, a very serious situation. They`re not taking it lightly.
The game plan, interesting, the SWAT team. Where did that come from? Was
that the White House`s idea or is that coming from health care providers
and professionals suggesting that?
O`DONNELL: Well, we don`t know the exact origination of that idea but it`s
certainly is something that is relatable to the public. We all have kind
of a mental image of what that means.
And the President was both trying to be reassuring and yet, raising a
significant amount of caution about the needs that are real and the dangers
of the Ebola virus. At the same time, really trying to hammer home the
idea that contracting it is rare and the incidents of that is low even
though many people are afraid.
So the notion of a CDC rapid response team which is something that in
effect, Doctor Frieden, the head of the CDC acknowledges that that probably
should`ve been done to sending experts to Dallas shortly after that first
case of Thomas Eric Duncan who had traveled from West Africa to the United
States then the first nurse, and now, a second nurse.
The idea that you`ve got to bring in experts who have the equipment and
really the understanding of all of the circumstances while health care
professionals deal with ill patients all of the time. This level of
protection is not something that they do day in, day out. The President
acknowledged that, while also reminding everyone to have some compassion
for the nurses who have contracted this illness, they were on the
frontline, so to speak, dealing with that first patient who has now passed
away at a point when he was extremely ill.
And so, we don`t have a sense of what their experience was like in terms of
their work day there and we`ve heard from nurses and nurses representatives
in terms of unions raising concerns about is there enough information. So
the President is laying out a change and how things will be done, raising
concerns about the need for the international community to get involved.
And at the same time, he putted in personal terms that we don`t often see
from this President or any president when it comes to a crisis like that,
even the anecdote Ed, about hugging some of the staffers and touching some
of the staffers at Emory where they have been dealing with these issues to
make the point that this is not something that is easily transmitted.
He also acknowledged some of the concerns about travel now that we know the
second patient who is in now in Atlanta, traveled by air and that raises
So the cabinet meeting went on for a considerable amount of time, trying to
address what has happened so far, change that need to be made. And again,
making that bigger international plea to try contain the virus where it has
been mostly lethal in West Africa. Ed?
SCHULTZ: And of course, the President reintegrating that the protocols
work and making sure that the American people know that if these protocols
are followed that we are going to be able to contain this and meet the
seriousness of this disease in America even though there`s no vaccine for
Interesting how they have want to I.D. the problems, they wanted to have
communication and use as much technology in communication as they can with
the different medical teams. And of course, also do the tracing of
Now, today, Amber Vinson traveled on Frontier Airlines and that airplane
has been cleaned and I understand Kelly, its back in the service tonight.
There you a picture of Amber Vinson. She`s been transferred to Emory
But the President made very clear and it seemed like his mission here
Kelly, was to reduce the fears of the American people that we`re going to
get through this but also, really stating that West Africa is where we
really have to put resources if we`re going to stop this or it will spiral
out of control. Where does Congress come in on that role as you see it?
O`DONNELL: Well, it will be important tomorrow, Ed. We will hear from
some of the officials including the head of the Centers for Disease Control
at a hearing. We know Congress is not in session right now but the Key
House Committee will be back in town to address some of these concerns.
There have been differing responses, some members of Congress are saying --
in both parties, are saying in both parties, are saying a travel ban is
necessary to try to blunt the spread of the illness.
There are others who say, that is not the right solution and in fact, would
make things worst in West Africa, there will be debates about how much
money and resources need to be pushed to this. So there are some political
dimensions to this as well Ed, that hearing tomorrow will be in other way,
we`ll see that play out.
SCHULTZ: And of course, the President talked about more screening at
airports and the efficiency of that, monitoring the workers. President
Obama`s speaking with no notes, it seems like he has a pretty good handle
on all of this at this point, spending the day, canceling a fundraising
trip today and making sure that everything is going to be put in place so
America can fight this.
He says we need to learn from all of the lessons and all of the mistakes
that have been made so far. The SWAT team, this rapid response team, as
the President called it, is something that is going to be used if there are
anymore cases that are reported of Ebola. But it`s very clear that the
President using his cabinet to fullest extent and the CDC to get ahead of
this and admitting that there have been some mistakes made.
Kelly O`Donnell at the White House, I appreciate your time tonight. Thank
you so much.
We will continue to follow this here on MSNBC, that tape ran about 10
minutes, the President laying out the game plan for exactly what we`re
going to do as a country and we`ll have more coverage with all of our shows
coming up here on MSNBC tonight.
That`s the Ed Show. I`m Ed Schultz.
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