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Date: October 24, 2014

Guest: Larry Johnson; Alex Rozier; Clint Van Zandt; Wendy Walsh, Evan

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC ANCHOR, THE ED SHOW: That`s "the Ed Show." "Politics
Nation" with Reverend Al Sharpton starts right now. Good evening, Rev.

REVEREND AL SHARPTON, MSNBC ANCHOR: Good evening, Ed. And thanks to you
for tuning in.

We start tonight with breaking news, that horrific shooting at Marysville-
Pilchuck high school high school near Seattle, Washington. Two people are
confirmed dead. One was the shooter, a student. The other a female
victim. Law enforcement sources tell NBC News that the shooter has been
identified at Jaylen Fryberg. Witnesses say he was a freshman and a member
of the school football team. He reportedly walked into the cafeteria with
a .40 caliber Beretta pistol and opened fire on other students before
turning the gun on himself.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He was quiet. He was sitting there. Everyone was
talking. All of a sudden I see him stand up, pulled something out of his
pocket. And at first, I thought it was just someone making a really loud
noise what is like a bag, like a bit loud pop until I heard four more after
that. And I saw three kids just fall from the table, like they were
falling to the ground, dead.

I jumped under the table as fast as I could. And when it stopped, I looked
back up and I saw he was trying to reload. It looked like his gun had
jammed. And that`s when I -- he started messing with it, and I ran out.
So I think his gun jammed and he got it back to working and he popped off a
couple more shots after that. He had a blank stare. He was just; face
calm during the whole thing.


SHARPTON: Four other people were injured, three of them critically. For
hours after the shooting, students were holed up inside the school, waiting
for police to clear them from their classrooms. Parents gathered at a
nearby church waiting desperately for news.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m just trying to figure out about the kids that are
driving, because my sons drives. But we haven`t been able to get a hold of

UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: How old is your son? What year?



UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Has he contacted you at all?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He`s been texting that he was OK, but that`s all I`ve

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right now he says they`re still hiding and that`s about
it. Him and the other kids and teachers, hiding.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He text me when that happened. He was looking for me.
Paranoid, scared.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We haven`t heard anything yet. I think everybody`s
calling and we just don`t know.


SHARPTON: A terrible tragedy at the school. Tonight, our thoughts and
prayers are with the victims, their families, and all those young
witnesses, teenagers, who saw this terrible attack.

Let`s go to Alex Rozier, reporter for KING Seattle. He`s outside the
Harbor View medical center in Seattle.

Alex, how many are at the medical center, and what`s the latest on their

ALEX ROZIER, KING REPORTER, SEATTLE: Well Al, right now, there are two at
Harbor View medical center, and then there are also two at Providence.

Harbor View medical center is right in Seattle. Providence medical center
in Everett, Washington, is about 30 miles to the north of us. But if you
see this chopper behind us, this landed just minutes ago. Originally there
was one victim here, a 14-year-old boy with a jaw injury. And Harbor View
officials told us that they were not going to be taking any more patients
as far as they knew. But then we just received words minutes ago that
another person was on the way and they landed in this chopper, and they
took him by ambulance from that chopper inside to the emergency room here
at Harbor View.

Four people were injured in this shooting. Two people dead. One of the
dead, a shooter, the male Jaylen Fryberg, a freshman. He was the shooter.
A female was also killed in the shooting this morning and then those four
others who are injured.

As I mentioned, the 14-year-old boy who was injured with the jaw injury,
he`s here and now one other. We have not learned anything else about this.
But in the last few hours, sources close to the situation have told us a
little bit more about Jaylen Fryberg, the shooter. He was an athlete, a
good student, they said, and most recently, he was crowned homecoming
prince for his freshman class at Marysville-Pilchuck high school. And the
sources tell us that today it was an argument with another boy over a girl
that led to this shooting, and a shooting that really shook the entire
country. Another school shooting, one with two people dead and four
seriously injured.

As we learn more, Al, we`ll bring it to you. But for now, outside Harbor
View medical center in Seattle, I`m Alex Rozier. We will send it back to

SHARPTON: Now Alex, it`s very confusing to a lot of people that here is a
popular kid, well accepted, and not a loner, not fitting the profile of a
lot of people that we`ve seen in these kind of situations in the past. Is
the fact that there`s this alleged argument with another classmate, is this
becoming the theme that they are trying to look into?

ROZIER: Well, very little has been released officially from law
enforcement, Al. But from what we`ve been able to gather from people close
to this family, close to the friends of Jaylen Fryberg, the 14-year-old, it
seems like it was one incident. Everyone that we have talked to since the
school shooting this morning, they said that this just isn`t the kid that
you would picture to go out and open fire in a cafeteria. And perhaps,
they`re pointing now to this one incident, this argument with another boy
over this girl, that led to this shooting. But I`m sure more information
is going to be coming out in the days and weeks to come.

SHARPTON: The other person dead is a girl. The other two injured one girl
and one boy. There`s no significance yet from any official word on what
that could mean?

ROZIER: Exactly, yes. They have reiterated that their injuries are very
serious. The one boy who was here originally at Harbor View, had a jaw
injury, shot in the jaw, but they mentioned right away that he was going to
survive. His injuries were not life-threatening. But the others, we don`t
know about.

One thing we can tell you about the Seattle area here is that people with
very, very serious injuries are typically transported to Harbor View, and
that`s why this scene was so concerning. They said they weren`t expecting
any more patients and now this chopper landed just a few minutes ago.

And early this morning, they originally said one person was dead. Early
this afternoon, they said two people are dead. This isn`t a good sign,
having the chopper land. A very critically injured person was just dropped
off. We don`t know their status, but hope to get that answered here in the
next couple hours.

SHARPTON: All right, Alex of KING-TV, thanks for your time tonight.

ROZIER: You got it, Al. Thank you.

SHARPTON: Now, let`s bring in Larry Johnson, president of the National
Association for School Safety and Law Enforcement Officials and Jim
Cavanaugh, MSNBC law enforcement analyst.

Let me go to you first, Larry, an argument with another boy over a girl.
What`s your reaction?

ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS: Well, first of all, our hearts and prayers go out
to the families and communities in Marysville, Washington today. There`s a
lot of questions that are still yet to be answered this that community.
And it just goes to show you how our young people are struggling in our
schools across the country. And we just need to be doing some more around
mental health and more counseling for our young people.

SHARPTON: Jim, what strikes you about the circumstances of the shooting?

JIM CAVANAUGH, MSNBC ANALYST: Well, Reverend Al, you know, the reporter
who outlined that the motive might be over a girl, you know. I`ve been to
high schools where there`s been a killing over a girl. But the guy killed
the other guy. And you know, we`re all familiar with domestic cases and
I`ve been to murders where, you know, a spouse or a boyfriend, girlfriend
kills another.

But here you have multiple people shot. So there may be a little more to
it than that. I think we have to see how the investigation develops.
There`s not one person killed. And of course the young man brought the
firearm to school. So that indicates there`s a some reason that he brought
the firearm to school. He pulls it out at the table and he shoots at point
blank range. And he shoots three, four people. I don`t think we have the
exact number.

So there`s more questions, you know, where did he get the gun? How long
was it simmering? Was there a precipitating event? Which a lot of times
we find when we have these shootings, there`s some event that precipitated
it, that caused the person, or it could be a series of precipitating
events, but we`ll see. We just don`t have all those answers yet.

SHARPTON: Larry, from what you`ve heard, how do you think school officials
and police handled this situation?

JOHNSON: Well, from the national media that I was watching and listening,
and the individuals I`ve talked to already, it was a great response.
Unfortunately, they had to use a response. But many of the protocols that
has been put in place and that the school districts around the country have
been training on for years now, are unfortunately have to be used. And
again, this is just another one of those tragedies that we wish we would
not have had to experience. Our kids are just being desensitized to more
and more violence. But at the early on set is they had some appropriate
protocols were taken. However, some lives were lost. And for that reason,
we still a lot of work to do.

SHARPTON: Larry, how are officials trying to help students who may be
traumatized by what they saw?

JOHNSON: You know, I think that school officials have to come to grips of
the new normal. And what we have to understand that many of our kids, be
it suburban, urban, rural, doesn`t matter, our kids are suffering from
post-traumatic stress syndrome, urban post-traumatic stress syndrome. And
so, we have to increase the number of counselors we have in our schools,
mental health providers in our schools in working with our kids.

We will know -- we have not recovered from this national events around the
country. And just when we think we`re out of the water, out of the woods,
something else happens. So again, we are putting a lot of emphasis on
response. What we need to do is get a lot of work around intervention and
prevention and early warning signs. And paying attention to the early
warning signs to help young people who may be struggling and who may bring
some of these violent tendencies back into the school.

SHARPTON: Yes. Jim, you know, I must say, we`ve seen too many of these
tragic incidents before.

CAVANAUGH: That`s right, Reverend, Al. You know, as a negotiator, you
know, talking with people that are in crisis, and people that get suicidal,
and you know, being involved in some of those over the years, I agree with

I think, you know, conflict resolution to people is important before it
gets to the stage where you want to pick up the gun and go into the school
and start shooting. You know, you have to realize that you can resolve
these conflicts that you have with another people, and we all have them,
and we`re all going to have them. And it`s like people think that they`re
the only one going to have them. It`s so personal. I have to end it. I
have to shoot myself, shoot someone else. So that`s a huge issue for law
enforcement to have to deal with people that sort of get into this mode.
That the gun, you know, is the answer.

And so, we do have to look at it across the board. And the school resource
officers and the school police, you know, often are at the front lines.
They stopped a lot of these. It remains to be seen if the school resource
officer approached the student and then, you know, what happened then? He
might have resulted in him committing suicide or the officer shot him, but
somehow it might have been, you know, the end of the event. We have seen
that many times in Newtown and across a lot of these shootings.

SHARPTON: Jim Cavanaugh, Larry Johnson, thank you both for your time

CAVANAUGH: Thanks, Reverend Al.

JOHNSON: Thanks for having us, Al, on such a sad occasion.

SHARPTON: And we will have much more on our continuing coverage of the
shooting at a high school in Marysville, Washington, next.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And he was perfectly fine the day before. I remember
talking to him. He seemed like the normal old, you know, kid that we all
knew. And everyone knew him. Everyone knew him as that kid and he was
always very nice. No sign of -- I mean, he was always a little bit of a
child and got into a fight, but he was always a very nice kid.



SHARPTON: Many in our social media community are keeping the families
involved in the high school shooting tragedy today in their thoughts and

Robert says, so tragic, just shameful.

Anna posted, I`m beyond getting upset, I`m working on making a difference.

Coming up, who was the shooter? And how did a popular kid who was the
homecoming prince do this?


SHARPTON: Continuing our breaking news of the school shooting at
Marysville-Pilchuck high school near Seattle, Washington.

Right now, we know that two are dead, including the student who opened
fire. Law enforcement officials have confirmed the shooter was named
Jaylen Fryberg. We don`t know if the victim is a student or adult. Four
other people were injured, three of them critically. And we`ve heard
troubling reports about the shooter.

The local NBC affiliate, KING, has reported that he was popular, and even
recently crowned homecoming prince. One student described Fryberg earlier


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Knowing him, I knew he was a good kid. He did
wrestling. And I knew his other cousin. And yes, he didn`t seem like he
was troubled at all. He seemed like a great kid.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: What do you mean, great kid? How do you
define that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He was doing school, doing well in school, not getting
in trouble. And something went wrong.


SHARPTON: So how did this happen? Joining me now is Dr. Wendy Walsh.
She`s an adjunct professor of psychology at California State University,
Channel Islands. And former FBI profiler and NBC news analyst Clint Van

Dr. Walsh, we`ve heard reports that the shooter was popular, even just
voted homecoming prince. We`re used to hearing that school shooters were
loners, had a lot of problems. Does this surprise you?

image of a shooter is a kid who has social issues, who is an introvert, who
doesn`t fit in, is missing some kind of social chip.

But you know, emotional problems can even happen to the most popular if
they`re not given a good way to express them. I looked at this young man`s
twitter feed, and there were days and days and days of angry tweets on it,
that no one seemed to be paying attention to.

SHARPTON: We`ve heard reports that this was about a girl. What`s your

WALSH: Well, you know, I specialize in attachment theory. And these are
the ways that people attach across the life span. And in our most intimate
relationships or our desire for most intimate relationships are where, you
know, that fine line between love and hate takes place.

When you get rejected by somebody who is a potential romantic interest, if
your self-esteem is connected to it, if you believe that on some deep
level, a life line has been brought, it has been broken, violence can
happen. I mean, this attachment injuries create a lot of violence.

SHARPTON: Clint, I want to ask you that. How can, if this is any way
proven to be right, how do you go from a broken heart to this?

CLINT VAN ZANDT, FORMER FBI PROFILER: Well, this is going to be the
challenge for investigators, Al. I mean, many students suffer a broken
heart. Few ever pick up a gun and act out in violence. If, as Wendy
suggests, her readings of his twitter feed has showed anger, maybe
frustration or rage that went unanswered, these are the things we want
people to pick up on. We want students and teachers to become aware. We
would love to have seen another student say, you know, I see on his twitter
feed, he`s really expressing some anger, some rage, maybe about this fight
we heard that took place concerning a girl. That if somebody had brought
that to the attention of the school officials. Because one witness, Al,
says he walks up behind four students, to include a girl, and shoots them
all in the head as they`re just sitting there, and he just stares them
down. I mean this is cold, this is callous. It`s like all of his emotions
and everything are funneled into the barrel, into the end of that gun, and
now he`s reaping his revenge. He`s acting out. He`s evening the score.
And then, of course, like so many cases, he turns that gun on himself.

SHARPTON: Dr. Wendy?

WALSH: I want to say one more thing. This is a freshman, a high school
freshman, a ninth grader. I mean, he was in middle school a minute ago,
right? And his twitter feed was also filled with a lot of sexually
explicit retweets. Obviously, there are pictures of him online holding
guns. He was an avid hunter. So this kind of stuff, again, we should be
concerned about when they show up in clusters angry, hyper sexuality for a
young, young person, use of gun.

You start to look at the whole picture and you say, wow, was anybody paying
attention? I think the tweet that bothered me the most was the one that
said, it looks like I`m sweating this off, but I`m not. So inside he was
in pain.

SHARPTON: Clint, on his twitter page, it seemed like a lot of interest on
guns. Does that tell us something?

VAN ZANDT: Well, again, he`s from a part of the country, Al, where a lot
of people hunt. Now, of course, he couldn`t have done this, number one,
without a weapon, and number two, without access to a gun. He`s 15-years-
old. He can`t buy a gun by federal standards. So he had to get the gun,
one would assume, in his home, or from a friend or relative, something like
that. So we have the situation that Wendy`s talking about. We have to be
able to identify these pre-incident indicators and get somebody some help.

And number two, we have to make sure that parents and others lock these
guns down and make sure that children don`t get access to them unless the
adults are with them at the same time. So there`s two challenges here that
perhaps we could have intervened, we could have done something. And it
looks like we missed our two chances. Not only to save this young man, but
maybe these other students that he shot also, Al.

SHARPTON: Well, certainly a lot of unanswered questions here. We`re going
to stay on this and help try to figure this out.

Dr. Wendy Walsh and Clint Van Zandt, thank you both for being with us.

WALSH: Thank you.

SHARPTON: We`ll be right back.


SHARPTON: Now to the breaking news on Ebola and the image of the day.
That`s President Obama hugging the first patient who contracted Ebola on
U.S. soil, Nurse Nina Pham, in the oval office. This image, a message to
calm fears in America. The meeting came after Pham was released from the
hospital, after being declared Ebola-free.

Now the focus shifts to that 33-year-old doctor, fighting Ebola in New York
City. Right now Dr. Craig Spencer is stable and alert. And we got a very
key update today on his condition, going to the hospital. We find that
officials are revealing his temperature was actually 100.3 degrees when he
went, not 103 as originally reported.

Dr. Spencer`s fiancee and two friends are quarantined, though none are
showing symptoms. And disease detectives are now tracing his steps. But
will any policy change here?

Today the White House is reportedly looking at new quarantine measures of
health care workers returning from West Africa. We`ll have that debate
coming up.


SHARPTON: Now to breaking news on that bloody hatchet attack in New York
City. Today police officials are calling it an act of terror. Thirty-two-
year-old Zale Thompson went after four Rookie officers Thursday with a
hatchet. He hit two of them, injuring one critically with a head wound.
That officer is now hospitalized in stable condition. You can see the
blood on the hatchet here. Two other cops then shot and killed Thompson
before he could do more damage.


UNIDENTIFIED MAN: I`m very comfortable this was a terrorist attack,
certainly. More recent indicators based on the search of his computer,
show activities visiting websites that are focused on designated terrorist
groups, al Qaeda, ISIS, al Shabaab as well as looking at different acts of
violence including beheadings attacks, up until an including the fence-
jumping incident in the White House, the shooting in Canada, which as you
know, almost immediately precedes this incident.


SHARPTON: The key point, officials today describing Zale Thompson has a
recent Muslim convert who did not have links to international terrorism,
but who appeared interested in it, raising new concerns about potential
copycat attacks. It comes as dramatic new security camera surfaces from
Canada, showing the man who shot and killed the soldier at the War
Memorial, running into parliament. Officials say that like Zale Thompson,
he appears to have acted alone. And though he aspired to fight in Syria,
the Canadian foreign minister said there`s no evidence he was connected to
ISIS. The question now, how ready is New York City, and America, for these
apparent lone-wolf attacks?

Joining me now are NBC News terrorism analyst Evan Kohlmann, and Jonathan
Dienst, chief investigative reporter for WNBC in New York. Thank you both
for being here.



SHARPTON: Jonathan, you were working this story all day. What else can
you tell us about this investigation?

DIENST: Well, it was an extraordinary press conference at police
headquarters today. The police commissioner coming out and saying,
preliminarily, this does appear to be an act of terror. And as you heard
on the sound bites, they say because this suspect was basically visiting
jihadist websites, they say he converted to Islam about two years ago, and
since then, increasingly he had been online at his home, in his own
computer, looking at al Qaeda websites, ISIS websites, videos that show
beheadings, as you heard, and that is part of it. Now, leading up to until
today, we had heard basically he was sort of a lone criminal, a nut, if you
will, who had some past radical views that blacks and other minorities in
this country were treated unfairly and that there needed to be an uprising
from within America.

Overnight, they went further to his online behavior and found his interests
in radical jihadist websites. And they also said during this news
conference that the videos from the neighborhood show that he was following
these officers around a bit, and that he had that axe, that machete in the
bag. And that when the officers stopped to take a picture with a
photographer, with their backs turned, that`s when he took out that 18-inch
machete and lunged at the officers. Literally hacking away at their heads.
One officer was able to block it with his arm, suffering injuries to his
arm, but the other one, really badly injured with a blow to the head from
that axe. He is out of surgery in critical, but stable condition, in a lot
of pain, we`re told, but his condition improving.

SHARPTON: And that`s when they shot him, is that correct?

DIENST: And they shot and killed him, that`s correct. And one of the
bullets hit an innocent bystander half a block away by mistake. She`s
still hospitalized, but doing okay.

SHARPTON: What about the hard drive? Anything found there?

DIENST: Again, there`s lots of writings, there`s lots of evidence in terms
of his rantings, that he is angry at America. He was angry about
everything, from the Vietnam War, to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. He
had a problem with police officers. There`s some anti-white rhetoric,
we`re told, on his computer and in his writings as well. But again, what
was most concerning, and what seemed to be an increased activity, was his
visiting these jihadist, these Islamic-based websites, that perhaps served
in part, an impetus for this attack. That is the leading theory, or a
leading theory police are working on at this time. The FBI taking a
somewhat more cautious approach, saying the investigation is ongoing, but
again the police commissioner holding that news conference this afternoon,
that police headquarters calling this preliminarily a terrorist attack.

SHARPTON: Facebook had some references to Islamic jihadists Evan Kohlmann,
what does that tell us of anything?

KOHLMANN: Well, look, we have to be careful there, a lot of people out
there with jihadist references on their websites. There are some people
who do browse jihadi videos, and not everyone who does that is a criminal.
Nonetheless, it`s certainly true right now that ISIS has managed to
cultivate the attention and interest of a fringe group that`s not just here
in this country, but in a variety of western countries. Now, the good
news, it`s a fringe group, meaning that it`s not a large group of people
that are believing this. And a lot of people that are supporting ISIS are
much like this individual that appear to have very serious personal
problems on top of whatever interests they have in Syria, Iraq, or ISIS.
And certainly this is one of the causes that appeared to have motivated
this individual, not the only one. But nonetheless, look, it doesn`t take
a PH.D to murder someone.

And I think this is an excellent example of how much chaos can be caused by
one man with a hatchet. And we saw that also in the UK, don`t forget, you
know, you had a British soldier was attacked by two British nationals, you
know, sought to making an event like this. And they hacked a guy to death
on the street. And it was a major incident, they captivated the attention
of the world. It made it into an al Qaeda propaganda video in Somalia.
That`s how important it was. It was noticed not just by people here in the
west, it was noticed by al Qaeda itself. We`ll have to see whether or not
they take any interest in this latest attack here in New York.

SHARPTON: Now, Evan, here`s an excerpt from ISIS propaganda effort that
sparked alarm in Australia recently. Quote, "if you`re not able to find an
IED or a bullet, then single out the disbelieving American, Frenchman, or
any of their allies. Smash his head with a rock, or slaughter him with a
knife, or run him over with your car, or throw him down from a high place,
or choke him or poison him." Is this a new ISIS tactic?

KOHLMANN: Look, it`s chilling. One thing we have to keep in mind is that
this is not entirely new. The same kind of philosophy was pioneered by al
Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula back in about 2009. Were there individuals
that followed that order? Yes, sure, Major Nidal Hasan of the Fort Hood
Massacre fame followed exactly those orders, among others who followed
those instructions. However, look, there were problems caused by these
individuals. People lost their lives, but they didn`t fundamentally change
the nature of this country. And I think that`s the issue here. We have to
understand it`s a threat, but we can`t lose our heads about this. This is
a threat that we can deal with, we just have to understand it`s a challenge
because these guys are not that easy to spot. Some of them look like your
friends and neighbors. Some of them may have very deep personal problems
that go beyond supporting terrorism. Only the people that know these
folks, they`re going to know when they`ve been radicalized to the point of
being danger to the community, and that`s why, you know, you see something,
you really need to say something.

SHARPTON: Well, New Yorkers can deal with it, thank you very much, Evan
Kohlmann and Jonathan Dienst. Thank you both for your time tonight and
have a good weekend.

KOHLMANN: Thank you.

DIENST: Good to be here.

SHARPTON: Coming up, a big debate today, should medical workers returning
from West Africa be quarantined? And switching gears to this.





UNIDENTIFIED GIRL: What the (bleep)! I`m not your pretty princess in

UNIDENTIFIED GIRL: I`m pretty powerful and ready for success.


SHARPTON: Yes, it`s called F-bombs for feminism. Is it good for the
cause? Is it bad parenting or both? "Conversation Nation," that`s next.


SHARPTON: We`re back now with "Conversation Nation." Joining me tonight,
Elizabeth Plank from Josh Zepps of HuffPost Live. And host of
Judge Faith, attorney Faith Jenkins. Thank you all for being here tonight.




SHARPTON: Should medical workers returning from West Africa be
quarantined? Some are wondering why New York Ebola patient Dr. Craig
Spencer was allowed to move around just days after returning from his
heroic work in Africa. We know he took a three-mile run in Manhattan. He
visited the high line on tourist park area, he took the subway, used a car
service, and went bowling the night before he was diagnosed. Medical
officials say Spencer posed no threat before he contracted a fever. But it
has a lot of people outraged today. The White House is reportedly looking
at new quarantine measures of health care workers returning from West
Africa. Faith, what do you think? Should medical workers returning from
West Africa be quarantined?

JENKINS: Well, I think it`s something that definitely has to be
considered. And I know all the medical officials say, if you don`t show
symptoms, then the disease is not contagious. But if a doctor wakes up one
morning and he has a fever, when did he start showing those symptoms? What
if they were actually were there and he didn`t know it the night before
when he went bowling? And I think that`s why people are concerned. So in
an abundance of caution, I think that medical professionals coming back
from treating the disease in Africa, need to take a strong look at the
places that they decide to go while they`re in that 21 day period when
they`re most susceptible to showing symptoms from the disease.

ZEPPS: Elizabeth, you`re in New York City, Elizabeth. What do you think?

PLANK: Well, look, I think it`s important to stress these aid workers are
heroes. Craig Spencer was a hero, he went, you know, with doctors without
borders and did amazing work treating patients with Ebola. But when you`re
dealing directly with people who had been infected, I would like it if you
would not just go bowling in Brooklyn, or make out with their fiancee.
Just wait a white to make sure that you have not contracted the disease.
At this point, I mean, aid workers are an incredibly vulnerable population
out of the 450 health care worker who have been infected by this disease,
half of them has died. And so we need a protocol when it comes to dealing
with this very vulnerable population.

SHARPTON: Josh, I heard you were trying to get in there, I cut you off.
What do you think on this?

ZEPPS: Yes, look. I just think we just need to focus on what the real
threat here. The greatest threat to Americans here is not actually an
outbreak here in the United States. The greatest threat is a complete
collapse of West Africa. And the way that you prevent that, I mean, we`re
nowhere near providing enough beds and enough professionals, enough
healthcare professionals over there. You could see governments fall. You
could see the rise of groups like Boko Haram. You could see our interest
in Africa severely weakened. So, you won`t be able to facilitate health
care officials going in and out pretty easily. And I think by quarantining
them when they come back, that would only complicate that problem.

SHARPTON: But isn`t it true, Faith, that you can`t deal with the -- or
it`s not all of West Africa, but certainly the nations that we know have
had a problem -- Guinea, as well as Sierra Leone -- and aren`t we really
avoiding it until we deal with the basis of where this is coming from?

JENKINS: We have to deal with the basis. I mean, that`s important. And
this is now an epidemic, and people are dying, you know, in large numbers.
And it has to be addressed. But at the same time, when you have doctors
who are coming back from treating patients and they are now testing
positive for Ebola, you have to look at what we are going to do and what
measures we`re going to take in the U.S. as well.

ZEPPS: They`re professionals, Faith, they know what they`re doing. You
know, I think we just have to trust the medical professionals to come back
and be able to self-diagnose.

SHARPTON: Well, I think we`ve also have to deal with Liberia, and Sierra
Leone and Guinea and a commitment to Africa.

But now changing gears to a video sparking a lot of controversy. It
features little girls, dressed like princesses, dropping the f-bomb in the
name of feminism. Take a look.





UNIDENTIFIED GIRL: What the (bleep)! I`m not your pretty princess in

UNIDENTIFIED GIRL: I`m pretty powerful and ready for success.

UNIDENTIFIED GIRL: So what is more offensive, a little girl saying,
(bleep) or the (bleep) on --


SHARPTON: The video was produced by a clothing company that sells shirts
with anti-sexism and anti-racism messages. The company says they`ll donate
$5 of every sale to charities for their causes. Elizabeth, a lot of
outrage about this one. Your take?

PLANK: Well, look, I like the video. I thought it was funny. And I
certainly heard a lot about it in all of my networks. A lot of people also
thought it was funny. And the video now has more than a million views. So
clearly it has run its course and people are clicking on it and sharing it.

ZEPPS: You fell for it. You fell for the shameless ploy.

PLANK: You have to remember who this video is for. It`s not for children.
It`s not for these kids. Obviously, it`s starring children, but it`s for
young adults. It`s for people like us. And frankly, I`m more offended by
some of the things that are said by our politicians and some of the people
who say, don`t even believe in the wage gap and can say that with a
straight face, than a few, you know, young actresses using the f-word.

SHARPTON: But Josh, it is young kids using the f-word. What do you think?

ZEPPS: I hate it, Reverend. I`m not offended by the fact that the young
kids are using and dropping the f-bomb. I`m offended by the shamelessness
of the -- the people who got them to do it. Look, I believe in equal
rights for women of course. But there`s something about this company that
just robs the wrong way, they sell t-shirts for men that say, this is what
a feminist looks like. Ladies, if a man is wearing that, he wants to get
in your pants.


SHARPTON: Well, it is Friday night, Judge Faith, what do you say?

JENKINS: If I were to come home at that age dropping f-bombs and I told my
mom I`m doing it for feminism on taking one for the team, I can tell you
right now, it would not go over very well. I did not like the video. I
agree with you. I just think it undermines the integrity of the message
that they`re trying to send.

SHARPTON: Well, Faith, I think if you went home at this age dropping f-
bombs, you might have a problem.


Everybody, stay with us, because coming up it`s Monica Lewinsky. She`s
back in the spotlight this week. And today we`re learning more about how
she was treated -- or mistreated by authorities. Next.


SHARPTON: We`re back with our panel, Elizabeth, Josh and Faith. And we go
to Monica Lewinsky, who made headlines this week, breaking her silence for
the first time since the scandal, in an emotional speech.


ways. First, with an FBI sting in a shopping mall. It was just like you
see in the movies. Imagine one minute I was waiting to meet a friend in
the food court, and the next, I realized she had set me up, as two FBI
agents flashed their badges at me. Immediately following, in a nearby
hotel room, I was threatened with up to 27 years in jail for denying the
affair in an affidavit and other alleged crimes.


SHARPTON: And today, for the first time, we are learning government
lawyers thought Lewinsky was mistreated in that investigation. "The
Washington Post" has uncovered a report from 2000, commissioned by Ken
Starr`s successor to investigate what happened in that interrogation. The
report found that the prosecutor who confronted Lewinsky, quote, "exercised
poor judgment and made mistakes in his analysis, planning and execution of
the approach." That through the 12 hour investigation, Lewinsky was
crying, sobbing, regaining her composure, screaming, and that she tried in
various ways to contact her lawyer, but was advised not to consult with
anyone. Faith, did prosecutors go too far threatening Miss Lewinsky?

JENKINS: Well, first, if someone asks for their lawyer and you`re a
prosecutor and you`re questioning them, then you fall back, that`s when you
fall back and you call them into the room. And at this point, they know
they`re dealing with a young woman who is very impressionable. Who
obviously made some mistakes with her life, but they are now threatening
her with the rest of her life, spending it in prison. So they took a very
hard and, in my opinion, cruel approach. In the way they questioned and
treated Monica Lewinsky. A lot of people did, unfortunately.

SHARPTON: Isn`t that really egregious, to muscle her out of talking with a
lawyer under those circumstances?

JENKINS: Yes. Yes, it is. And not only is it egregious, Josh, it`s
unethical. If she asked for her lawyer and she wanted her attorney to be
present during questioning, she had every right to have that attorney
president and they should have --


ZEPPS: Yes. It`s not just unethical, it`s illegal. Now we have this
government report that says that Monica Lewinsky was mistreated, this is
presumably produced by the department of no, kidding, Einstein because she
was mistreated incredibly on all sides. It was abominable the he chose. I
mean, even from Clinton himself when he`s talking about, I did not have
sexual relations with that woman. Just calling her, "that woman." And
then the prosecutors from -- down and even the way that the public
responded, even the way that progressive women responded, kind of
demonizing her, thinking we don`t want to let down the Clinton side. I
just feel so sorry for her. And, you know, she was really the first person
whose life was ruined by the internet.

JENKINS: Yes. She was like 24-years-old, just a kid.

SHARPTON: Elizabeth?

PLANK: Well, look, I think at this point, it`s very clear that Monica
Lewinsky was a victim in this whole thing, not only at the level of talking
with Bill Clinton, the president of the United States, you know, using his
authority and clearly there`s a problematic thing happening there, when
she`s an unpaid intern, and she`s only 22, but then the portrayal of women
in the media, the portrayal of everyone in the media. But then also at the
level of officials. She had no power, she had no control. And again, I
have to share, I share the same sentiment as Josh. I was just heartbroken
when I read this report. I wish we had it before.


JENKINS: And it continues today with her --

SHARPTON: Well, I`ve got to leave it there. I got to leave it there.
Elizabeth Plank, Josh Zepps, and Faith Jenkins, thank you all for your
time, have a great weekend.

JENKINS: Thank you, Rev.

PLANK: Thank you, Rev.

SHARPTON: We`ll be right back.


SHARPTON: Today nurse Nina Pham was declared Ebola-free, and met President
Obama at the White House. And Dr. Craig Spencer is now getting the best
medical care. But in Africa, it`s a different story. Nearly 10,000 Ebola
cases, more than 4,800 deaths. And at least 3,700 children have been left
orphaned by the outbreak. Many are isolated by the stigma of being Ebola
orphans. Even relatives are too scared to care for them. Today, Group
Plan International says, that now adult Ebola survivors, some of whom lost
their own children to the virus, are taking care of them. We can`t close
our eyes to this desperate need overseas. We can`t just close our borders.
There are many ways to help, and you can reach out to those aid groups on
the screen. To find out what you can do. It`s a human tragedy, so it`s
our business.

Thanks for watching. I`m Al Sharpton. Have a great weekend. "HARDBALL"
starts right now.


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