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THE ED SHOW
December 1, 2014

Guest: Emanuel Cleaver, Lisa Bloom, Zerlina Maxwell, Jim Souhan


(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... unrest is getting out of hand.

FRM. MAYOR RUDY GIULIANI, NEW YORK CITY: We`re talking about the exception
here. It`s a very rare exception when a white kills a black.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hands up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don`t shoot.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hands up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don`t shoot.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Even NFL players are getting in on the protest on the
field.

KENNY BRITT, RAMS WIDE RECIEVER: We wanted to come out and show our
respect.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That was usually irresponsible and highly
disrespectful.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A young man lost his life.

GIULIANI: 93 percent of blacks are killed by other blacks.

MICHAEL ERIC DYSON, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: Let me tell you. Black
people who kill black people go to jail.

GUILIANI: I`d like to see if any Dr. Dyson has ever saved as many lives in
his community as I saved.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good to have you with us tonight folks. Thanks
for watching.

Well, let`s mix the two. Al Davis the former owner of the Oakland Raiders
used to say that, "The NFL is part of our American culture". We found that
out over the weekend didn`t we? Some players from the St. Louis Rams
showed us that on Sunday.

The Rams players, Tavon Austin and Kenny Britt showed up with their hands
up. What wrong with this? Because they wear a jack strap for a living and
play football they can`t have an opinion on what`s going on in their
community?

The owners of the team didn`t know they were going to do this. The coach
of the team didn`t know they were going to do this. These guys are taking
a chance by showing their support. Hands up to support Ferguson
demonstrators from around the country, good for them, keep it right where
it needs to be, in the focus of the American people.

The rest of receiving core, well they`ve joined in and they went on the
field with him with hands up. The move has some conservatives and some
police officers outraged, in fact the St. Louis Police Officer Association
went so far as to release a statement and discussed.

They said, "They`re profoundly disappointed with the members of the St.
Louis Rams football team who chose to ignore the mountains of evidence
released from the St. Louis county grand jury this week and engage in a
display that police officers around the nation found tasteless, offensive
and inflammatory".

I guess they`re speaking for everybody around the country now, this
association. The statement went on to say that officers association is
calling for the players involved to be disciplined, for the Rams in the NFL
to deliver a very public apology.

Now, today the NFL took a stand, in that they didn`t choose a side. They
said it will not adhere to the association`s request. The league will not
discipline any players involved on the on field Ferguson demonstration.

The post game locker room obviously was a little bit different. After
betting the Raiders 52 to nothing, the media questioned receiver Kenny
Britt about the demonstration.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kenny what would you say to people who say you are
taking sides by doing the hand up, that that`s different from the police
side? How do you view that?

BRITT: By taking sides, we believe -- we want to show that -- over here
for (inaudible) giving our positive -- something positive came out, that
why (inaudible).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right, but do you see how the police might say, well,
do you care about the side of it?

BRITT: I do not care with the police, I`m just saying (inaudible) that
mean that could come of it if you know what I mean, if people come together
and we should have something to say about.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is that something you guys tell Coach Fisher or?

BRITT: If something -- I don`t want to bother coach something that only
before the game that we`re going out there and we`re going to put our hands
up to support on what`s going down the Ferguson because we -- as our
community we`ve going to let them (inaudible) know that we support the
community.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right, so you didn`t do this picking side?

BRITT: Absolutely I was support it`s not on good side, in the good side.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well no that`s how people are interpret because that.

BRITT: OK. We just want know the community know that we support them.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: I think we got a serious misinterpretation going on here, because
these players put their hands up doesn`t mean that they`re against law
enforcement. They`re trying to draw attention to a very serious situation
in our society, that it is a fact that kids get shoot unarmed in fact and
it happened in Ferguson. This is not about what played out that day on the
streets of Ferguson. The Rams were only showing support for their
community not picking a side.

The NFL released a statement today on the Rams action saying that, "We
respect and understand the concerns of all the individuals who have
expressed views on this tragic situation". Sunday`s demonstration on the
football field came as Officer Darren Wilson resigned from the Ferguson
Police Department. Wilson said he didn`t want to put the Ferguson
residence and other police officers at risk by staying on the force.

And there`s no doubt that tensions are still very high in the aftermath of
what unfolded in Ferguson with the grand jury decision last week.
President Obama is working to relief those tensions. Earlier today, the
President met with young civil rights leaders to discuss their recent
efforts related to Ferguson. The President also met with elected officials
and faith leaders from communities around the country.

They discussed how communities and law enforcement can work together to
build this trust that`s need and strengthen neighborhoods across America.
It start with communication and it`s been one week since the grand jury
announced its decision not to indict Officer Darren Wilson and the country
is still definitely is laser focused on the story and demonstration and
demonstrators aren`t going to be going way anytime soon.

But the misinterpretation is, is because these players came out with their
hands up doesn`t mean that they`re against law enforcement or they`re for
breaking the law. They want to draw as I understand it attention to what
is a very serious problem and unless there are demonstrations, how else is
this going to continue on? Can you make the case if maybe if there weren`t
any demonstration in Ferguson that they wouldn`t be have a meeting at the
White House right now about what`s going on?

Get your cellphones out I want to know what you think. Tonight`s question,
"Do you support the Rams players in their hands up demonstration?"

Text A for yes, text B for no to 67622, leave a comment at our blog at
ed.msnbc.com. We`ll bring you the results later on in the show.

For more let me bring Missouri Congressman Emanuel Cleaver. Congressman
good to have you with us tonight, I know that you have commented on this
extensively. But first I want to get your reaction to the Rams players and
as Al Davis said before he passed away that the NFL is such a big part of
our culture. You know, we`re about winning and losing in America, and
there`s no doubt that the NFL is on a big platform what this players do
gets immense attention and these players coming out in St. Louis doing
this.

What`s your reaction to what they did and how do you feel about it?

REP. EMANUEL CLEAVER, (D) MISSOURI: Well, you know, back in the 1970s we
had professional athletes like Jim Brown, like Kareem Abdul Jabbar and
others who became intimately involved with the civil rights movement. Jim
Brown started the black economic union and then these guys, Bill Russell
they all worked involve and trying to make a more equitable society.

I am trilled that there are young athletes, professional athletes now who
are going beyond taking up their paycheck and performing on the field or on
the basketball court. I think it`s a good thing.

Keep in mind, at least I hope that to understand does not necessarily mean
that one aggress and I guess the deep down move in this country right now -
- movement in this country with African-Americans is to say, "Look please
try to understand our pain. You don`t have to agree just try to understand
how we feel when these things like this happen."

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

CLEAVER: And I don`t think there`s a great deal of people -- a great
number of people were speaking to try to understand.

SCHULTZ: You know, Congressman there`s been a tremendous amount of
conversation on this network about Ferguson. And there`s been a tremendous
amount of focus on the peaceful demonstrators. The people in the community
who want to make the change. And for these athletes to come out with their
hands up, they`re not against the cops, they`re not supporting the
violence, they`re making a statement about the statement that needs to be
made if we`re going to address race relation in this country.

That`s how I see it. And those athletes were taken a real chance because
in the NFL there is the man, there is the owner and they are powerful.
They could have seen their careers end by doing something like this. And I
think it was a courageous move by these athletes to do this and I hope
other athletes do it because the American people pay attention to what goes
on to the NFL.

Congressman what are you expectations with the meetings with the President?
What can came out of this?

CLEAVER: Well, I think the thing that the President is trying to do is to
inspire Americans to do what they don`t really want to do in order to
achieve what they really would like to achieve, which is a race-less
society. And it`s difficult where -- it`s not the number one job that the
President has. But in many ways he is an evangelist. And the meeting at
the White House today was evangelistic in the sense that, he`s trying to
come up with ways in which we can reduce the tension and then try to move
forward to get to another level in this country.

I don`t think there`s anybody except the crazies who feel comfortable right
now with what`s going on. And for the President to call a meeting in the
White House I think is symbolic of what he what people to do around to the
country today is look for solutions. This is not about hating police
depart.

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

CLEAVER: This is not about attacking police at least that certainly not
mine. I put my own life and my family`s life in the hands of police. I
was a Mayor of Kansas City for eight years with security from the Kansas
Missouri Police Department.

And 99.9999 percent of those guys are good human beings. But like any
other profession there are always some who will go hurrah (ph).

SCHULTZ: Sure.

CLEAVER: And these athletes, you hit it on the head Ed, I think. I mean
these guys did -- had no idea of what the reaction would be from the
ownership. And so I think, to some degree they are courageous and we need
more of them to stand out and speak out on issues and become involved in
supporting change -- changes in society that they can do probably better
than those of us who`ve been elected.

SCHULTZ: Congressman I want to play a clip from former New York City Mayor
Rudy Giuliani who now apparently is an expert on race relation. Here it
is.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GUILIANI: I think just as much, if not more responsibility is on the black
community to reduce the reason why the police officers are assigned in such
large numbers to the black community. It`s because blacks commit murder
eight times more per capita than any other group in our society. And, when
I assigned police officers with Commissioner Bratton and Commissioner
Safir, we did it based on statistics.

We didn`t do it based on race. If there were a lot of murders in a
community, we put a lot of police officers there. If I had put all my
police officers on Park Avenue and none in Harlem, thousands and thousands
more blacks would have been killed during the 8 years that I was mayor.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Congressman your response to that.

CLEAVER: Well, first of all, you know, it`s not helpful and the issue of
black on black crime is one that African-American needs to address. That`s
not -- that`s not the conversation right now. The conversation is about
people who have been entrusted with human lives, who are then involved in
the shooting that many of us see as unjustifiable, so their apples and
oranges.

One issue needs to be eliminated and that is black on black crime. It is
far too high and those of us who live in African-American communities can`t
afford not to trust the police, can`t afford not to want to work with their
police. And so it`s in our best interest to have a police department...

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

CLEAVER: ... that`s respondent.

SCHULTZ: OK, Congressman Emanuel Cleaver. I appreciate your time tonight
on the Ed Show. Thank so much for joining us.

CLEAVER: Good to be with you.

Let me bring in Michael Eric Dyson Professor MSNBC Political Analyst and
Professor at Georgetown University, and Lisa Bloom with us tonight trial
attorney at the Bloom Firm and Today Show Legal Analyst, great to have both
of you with us. Michael, respond to Rudy Giuliani, I know you`ve had your
spats with him but he won`t give it up, in your respond to Giuliani`s
remarks.

MICHAEL ERIC DYSON, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: First of all, when we talk
about this statistical analyst of crime. We could disaggregate that data
in a number of ways. First of all, 84 percent of white people who are
killer are killed by white people, 90 percent of black people who are
killed are killed by black people. So the reality is people kill where
they live, people killed in fits of rage and crimes of passion.

So, that`s on both sides, we don`t have a vocabulary available for white on
white crime. For white people who murder each other. And when we look at
the numbers, we look at the fact that an overwhelming number of those
who`re murdered white on white is against woman...

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

DYSON: ... so there`s a sexual violence against women that is more
pronounce in this communities. Are we sending policeman there to stop,
discourage of domestic violence that leads to death in white America.
Let`s put out policeman on every corner. So I think that again, the Mayor
is missed representing the...

SCHULTZ: Well he`s shifting...

DYSON: ... truth and he`s doing it -- he`s shifting the focus is doing it
in a racially charged manner.

SCHULTZ: I mean, Dr. Dyson as I see it he is shifting the focus and of
course we`re always told how Rudy Giuliani is a former prosecutor. Instead
talking about a lousy job by the prosecutor, what he`s doing right now is
shifting the conversation about what`s wrong with the black community in
America and somehow that has something to do with...

DYSON: Well.

SCHULTZ: ... with why an unarmed teenager were shoot.

DYSON: Sure, but even when shift the conversation is wrong. My point is,
"OK, let`s take the legitimacy of the shift of conversation even though we
know was not." Even when you shift the conversation, it doesn`t bare up
under the empirical proof that he needs to substantiate his claims. All
I`m saying is that even when you go there friend you still messed up.

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

DYSON: The broader issue is why is it that unarmed black youth and others
are being routinely murdered by police people. This would be unacceptable
if a bunch of black cops were murdering and killing young black...

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

DYSON: ... young white kids. It would not be something acceptable. Let
me say very quickly about those young men. I bet you if those St. Louis
Rams players are come out with some St. Louis P.D. on their caps, their
would be no controversy at all...

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

DYSON: ... among anybody in the major set there.

SCHULTZ: Lisa, the St. Louis Police Officers Association says the
shootings where completely justified. Did the grand jury prove that?

LISA BLOOM, TRIAL ATTORNEY, THE BLOOM FIRM: Absolutely not. The grand
jury needed nine members to say that there should be indictment. They
couldn`t get that nine. That means there were at least that said that
should not be. But there`s not finding one way or the other. In legal
terms double jeopardy does not attach, translation, the feds can still
prosecute, especial prosecutor could be appointed who could prosecute
because there`s been no legal finding whatsoever.

SCHULTZ: So, where does the justice department go in their investigation?
What options are there as you see it legally right now that might reverse
what most of Americans think was a horrific decision?

BLOOM: Well, I`ll tell you one thing. I wish the Justice Department would
do what -- right away, and that is dust Darren Wilson`s gun for finger
prints because nobody looks for fingerprint apparently even though his
story is not just that Mike Brown reached for the gun but that Mike Brown
grabbed the gun.

That should have left a fingerprint and yet nobody apparently bothered to
look for them among other many, many mistakes that made in this
investigation.

SCHULTZ: So shoddy police worked all the around to protect an officer?

BLOOM: Yeah, I mean Darren Wilson was allowed to wash his hands twice, we
has allowed to bag his own gun, he was allowed to leave the scene. The
police investigators who interviewed him, not only didn`t record the
interview initially, they didn`t even bother to take notes on it. So he
could lawyer up, he could look at all of the evidence, he could practice
his testimony before he came in.

And I got to tell you, having read hundreds of pages of this grand jury
transcript. Darren Wilson was treated with kid gloves, no tough questions
but the eyewitnesses who said that Mike Brown was shoot with his hands up
were crossed examined, were confronted with evidence that was difficult for
them to explain. Made them inconsistent with their story, so clearly there
were a double...

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

BLOOM: ... standard going on in there.

SCHULTZ: All right. Michael Eric Dyson finally, what does this mean?
Hands up. How are people sitting in there living room supposed to
interpret law or St. Louis Rams players coming out on the field hands up?

DYSON: There should be no apology offered by the St. Louis Rams players.
They are in a group of people who have been victimize and targeted. There
is nothing wrong as, you know, was indicated by Emanuel Cleaver the
Congressman administer that Jim Brown or Luol Synder (ph) then later Kareem
Abdul Jabbar and Muhammad Ali.

The people we now lionize took a stand. So these players are taking a
stand, they have not given into corporate culture where they defer to the
interest of the commercial bottom line. They are seeing the moral bottom
line here. We should be applauding them and not indicting them. Again,
have they come out with St. Louis caps on their head, they would be
celebrating the heroes.

SCHULTZ: All right.

DYSON: But because they have the temerity to stand up and represent their
people they are now somehow indicted. I think that`s a problem.

SCHULTZ: Michael Eric Dyson, Lisa Bloom great to have both of you with us
tonight. Thanks so much.

DYSON: A pleasure.

SCHULTZ: Remember to answer tonight`s question there are the bottom of the
screen. Share your thoughts with us on Twitter @edshow and on Facebook.
We certainly want to know what you know think.

Coming up, the lame ducks are back and they are -- and they have got
immigration really in their sights right now.

Plus, Ray Rice`s wife explains the night in the elevator and talks about
her own regrets. That story ahead stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Let`s go live to President Obama
commenting on Ferguson.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: ... that too many
individuals. And particularly, that people of colors do not feel as if
they are being treated fairly.

And as I said last week, when any part of the American family does not feel
like it is being treated fairly, that`s a problem for all of us. It`s not
just a problem for some. It`s not just a problem for a particularly
community or a particularly demographic.

It means that we are not as strong as a country as we can be. And when
applied to the criminal justice system, it means we`re not as effective in
fighting crime as we could be.

And as a consequence, what I`ve been able to do today -- thanks to
excellent work by Eric Holder, our Attorney General who had to fly down to
Atlanta to start the conversation down there around these issues as well as
the outstanding leaders around this table, is to begin a process in which
we`re able to surface an honest conversation between law enforcement,
community activists, academics, elected officials, the faith community to
trying to determine what the problems are. And most importantly try to
come up with concrete solutions that can move the ball forward.

You know, one of the most powerful things that happened today was I have
the opportunity to meet with some young people including a couple of young
outstanding leaders from the Ferguson community, Brittany Packnett and
Rasheen Aldridge, who were both served on Ferguson committee, who live in
the area, and I think have been hearing from a lot of young people in that
area.

And, what made me concerned was, the degree to which they feel as if they
are not heard or that the reality of what they experienced has been denied.
What made me greatly encouraged was how clear their voices were when they
were and how constructive they are, in wanting to solve these problems.
And I think anybody who had a chance to listen them here today felt the
same way.

We also heard from law enforcement and we`re reminded of what a tough job
it is to be in law enforcement, whether you`re in a big city or in a small
community, as Eric Holder put it, police officers have the right to come
out. And if they`re in dangerous circumstances, you know, we have to be
able to put ourselves in their shoes and recognize that they do have a
tough job.

I don`t think those realities are a reconcilable. In fact I`m convinced
that if we work hard, that we can make sure that police officers and the
communities they served are partners in battling crime, partners in making
sure everybody feels safe, that we can build confidence and we can build
trust but it`s not going to happen overnight. And it`s not going to result
just for a conversation around the table in Washington. It`s got to the
result in concrete steps that we are able to lift up in communities all
around the country and institutionalize.

In order to advance that goal, here are couples of specific steps that
we`re taking. First of all, I want to thank Chuck Ramsey, the Commissioner
of the Philadelphia Police Department, as well as Laurie Robinson, who is
professor of criminology, law and society at George Mason University, and a
former assistant Attorney General.

They are going to co-chair a task force that is not only going to reach out
and listen to law enforcement, and community activists and other
stakeholders, but is going to report to me specifically in 90 days with
concrete recommendations, including best practices for communities where
law enforcement and neighborhoods are working well together -- how do they
create accountability, how do they create transparency, and how do they
create trust, and how can we at the federal level work with state and local
communities to make sure that some of those best practices get
institutionalized.

So, this was not going to be an endless report that ends up collecting dust
on a shelf. My expectation is concrete recommendations that we can begin
to operationalize both at the federal state and local levels.

And the good news is, is that we`ve got two folks who are respected by
activists and respected by law enforcement and I`m confident they`re going
to do an outstanding job. I want them to help us to make sure that crime
continues go down while community trust in the police goes up.

Second, one of the issues that came up during the response to the Ferguson
back in August was the issue of military equipment being utilized in the
face of protests that maybe taking place in the community. It raised a
broader issue as to whether we are militarizing domestic law enforcement
unnecessarily, and it is the federal government facilitating that?

I have now received the review that I ordered from all the agencies
involved in this program, the 1033 Program. I will be signing an executive
order that specifies how we are going to make sure that that program is
accountable, how we`re going to make sure that that program is transparent
and how we`re going to make sure that we`re not building a militarize
culture inside our local law enforcement.

Third, I`m going to be proposing some new community policing initiatives
that will significantly expand funding and training for local law
enforcement including up to 50,000 additional body-worn cameras for law
enforcement agencies. And I look forward to working with Congress to make
sure that in addition to what I can do administratively and with resources
that we`ve already got that we are in a conversation with law enforcement
that wants to do right thing to make sure that they`re adequately resourced
for the training and the technology that can enhance trust between
communities and police.

And finally, as I mentioned, Eric Holder is going to be working in parallel
with the task force to convene a series of these meetings all across the
country, because this is not a problem simply of Ferguson, Missouri, this
is a problem that is national. It is a solvable problem, but it is one
that, unfortunately, spikes after one event and then fades into the
background until something else happens. What we need is a sustained
conversation in which -- in each region of the country people are talking
about this honestly and then it can move forward in a constructive fashion.

Let me just close by saying this. It was a cautionary note I think from
everybody that there have been commissions before, there have been task
forces, there have been conversations, and nothing happens. What I tried
to describe to people is why this time will be different. And part of the
reason this time will be different is because the President of the United
States is deeply invested in making sure that this time is different.

When I hear the young people around this table talked about their
experiences, it violates my belief in what America can be to hear young
people feeling marginalized and distrustful, even after they`ve done
everything right. That`s not who we are. And I don`t think that`s who the
overwhelming majority of Americans want us to be.

And I think there maybe a convergence here where we`ve got outstanding law
enforcement officials who recognize that times have changed and want to be
responsive. I know that Richard Barry of the International Associates of
Chief of Police spoke about how eager they are to work with us. I think
that we`ve got activist on the ground who don`t always give attention
because it`s oftentimes the people who aren`t being constructive that get
attention, but there are folks there who were working really hard.

I think there`s a maturity of the conversation right now that can lead us
to actually getting some concrete results. And in the two years I have
remaining as President, I`m going to make sure that we follow through, not
to solve every problem, not to tear down every barrier of mistrust that may
exist, but to make things better. And that`s how progress was always made
in this great country of ours.

All right. Thank you very much, everybody.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: President Obama speaking at the White House just moments ago
meeting with law enforcement, faith leaders, elected officials, community
leaders around the country talking about the climate and distrust that is
taking place between certain communities in America and law enforcement.

He says, this time it will be different. And he wants to make sure that
voices are going to be heard and there`s a number of things that the
President outlined that he will be initiating to try to make change.

Zerlina Maxwell, Political Analyst and Contributor of theGrio joins us.

The President seems determined but what can he actually do? Another tasked
force. In fact, that was brought up there. What would you make of his
answer?

ZERLINA MAXWELL, POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, one of the things I think is
really interesting here is that you have a black President, a black
Attorney General, and yes, this is one of those moments that is going to be
different because you have a hurdle of misstep which is often a barrier to
getting sort of the white majority to understand a problem like police
brutality.

You already have two people in position of power to do something who have
experienced discrimination and racial profiling and who are willing to
listen to the young people who are coming into the White House today and on
the State of streets of Ferguson because they themselves have experienced
this. So you are already leaping over one of these barriers often to
dealing with this kind of problem.

SCHULTZ: The President saying is going to be different this time because
he is personally involved. He says because the President of the United
States in involved here.

I found it interesting that he`s going to review the 1033 Program which
deals with equipment that goes to law enforcement. Often times we hear law
enforcement say that they don`t have the tools, they don`t have the
resources to do the kind of job that they have to do. That`s going to be
reviewed. I guess I interpret that as someone of his equipment
accountability, how its use and why its use?

Also cameras...

MAXWELL: Yes.

SCHULTZ: ... and then of course this is all going to come from the tasked
force. But Zerlina, aren`t we talking about police procedures here?

MAXWELL: Well we are talking about police procedures. But one of the
things I think we always need to understand is that it is important to
review sort of the militarization of the police department across the
country, because if they have tanks and, you know, machine guns going to
that protesters, but yes Darren Wilson says he didn`t want to wear his
taser because it was uncomfortable and not every police officer in Ferguson
had access to a taser then maybe that`s a place in which we can
strategically make a change.

And police procedure to make sure that they have tasers so that we can
avoid these deadly situation.

SCHULTZ: Not to be critical here but we hear a lot of generic talked about
how the federals are going to work with the state and there`s going to be
all this back and forth. What can the federals do?

You now have the Republicans in charge of the House and the Senate and they
have never been really willing to do anything to, you know, hurt law
enforcement when it comes to the way they want to operate and police their
community. So this could yet being another fight in Washington, doesn`t
it?

MAXWELL: It`s definitely is going to be a fight in Washington but I think
one of the things that`s different in this moment is that you have so many
different groups of people out on the streets protesting and making their
voices heard. And so, I don`t think that that is going to be able to be
sustained without Congress paying attention and listening to the people
that are in the streets because they must, right?

This is not about Ferguson like the President said. It`s bigger than that,
it`s Sean Bell, it`s Jordan David, it`s Trayvon Martin. So many different
names and it shouldn`t be that way.

SCHULTZ: Zerlina Maxwell, thank you so much. I appreciate it.

There`s lot coming up on the Ed Show. Stay with us. We`ll be right back.

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SCHULTZ: Should Ray Rice go back in the NFL? Trenders is up next.

You`re watching the Ed Show. Stick around, we`ll be right back.

JOSH LIPTON, CNBC CORRESPONDENT: I`m Josh Lipton with your CNBC Market
Wrap.

Stocks fall across the board this Cyber Monday. The Dow ends down 51
points. The S&P is off 14. The NASDAQ sheds 64.

A report on the health of the manufacturing sector help sends stocks lower.
Showed November, factory activity following compared with a month ago. And
a lackluster read on holiday shopping did little to encourage investors.

The National Retail Federation has Americans spent nearly $51 billion this
weekend, 11 percent less than last year.

That`s it from CNBC, first in business worldwide.

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SCHULTZ: Time now for Trenders. What`s hot and what`s not? This is where
you can join the Ed team, facebook.com/edshow, follow me on Twitter at
twitter.com/edshow and ed.msnbc.com. Podcast is up and running everyday
Monday through Friday 24/7. It`s free. You can get it on iTunes,
wegoted.com, rawstory.com and ringoffireradio.com.

The Ed Show social media nation has decided, we`re reporting.

Here are today`s top Trenders voted on by you.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The number three trender, seven up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There has been an awakening. Have you felt it?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you are a Star Wars fan this was like Christmas.

PRINCESS LEIA, "STAR WARS" CHARACTER: I hope that this day will always be
a day of joy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The latest Star wars movie trailer awakens fans.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That trailer went in live Friday. It nearly broke the
internet.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Between fades to black it`s a clip reel of dramatic
veiniest...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The whole movie won`t even come out for another year.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They celebrate life day before you know it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I always I build him after George like this.

DARTH VADER, "STAR WARS" CHARACTER: I find your lack of faith disturbing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The number two trender, bar hops

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A Republicans staffer on Capitol Hill is under fire
for harshly criticizing the President`s daughter.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh no she did not.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Elizabeth Lawton slammed the girls on Facebook
dressed like you deserve respect not a spot at a bar.

MCADAMS: I love your skirt. Where did you get it?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: People accusing her of Cyber bullying.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A GOP staffer gets bounced for her comments about the
first daughter`s,

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A GOP Communication Staffer for Congressman Fincher is
resigning over comments about Sasha and Malia Obama.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s an unwritten rule that you don`t go after the
children of the President.

LIZZY CAPLAN, ACTRESS: You are a mean girl.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And today`s top trender, speaking out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That infamous incident in an elevator in Atlantic City
has changed their lives forever.

MATT LAUER, "THE TODAY SHOW" HOST: Has it been hard to not speak out about
this?

JANAY RICE, RAY RICE`S WIFE: Yeah. That`s been the hardest part.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Janay Rice talks about the tape and the aftermath on
Today.

RICE: In the moment you`re not thinking about, "Oh my God, I`m on camera."
Of course people are going to read into everything.

LAUER: Was there ever any incident of violence in your relationship with
Ray or has there been any incident of violence since that elevator
incident?

RICE: No. But I feel like I choose me in the right word. And it was
certainly we`re in this to what people are going through everyday.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yeah.

RICE: Even though it`s not what I`m going through everyday.

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SCHULTZ: I`m joined tonight by Jim Souhan, Sports Columnist for the
Minneapolis Star Tribune and also host of a podcast at
souhanunfiltered.com, Jim, good to have you with us tonight. Ray Rice has
not gotten a phone call from anybody at the NFL. Is this just the way it`s
going to be? What do you think?

JIM SOUHAN, SPORTS COLUMNIST: I believe so. I think there are two reasons
Ray Rice probably won`t play in the NFL again. Number one is that the
video is graphic, so shocking and it can`t be explained away. It can`t be
handled by a P.R. staff. Everybody`s seen it. It is what it is.

And the other reason is, and this probably might matter even more to a lot
of NFL executives. He`s not a very good player anymore. If he -- if he
played for the Ravens this year he`ll probably be the third best running
back. Nobody`s going to take a P.R. hit for a mediocre player.

SCHULTZ: Mediocre player, no one`s really ever said that. It`s almost
been like a given like he`s going to the top players in the NFL. But when
it comes down to it, he`s kind of damage goods physically as well isn`t he?

SOUHAN: Yeah, I mean he was a good player say three years ago. He was a
big factor in them winning the Super Bowl. But old running backs age very
quickly. They diminish very quickly. Running backs pass the age of 30
very rarely are productive. Ray is coming off a bad year, and then
obviously he punched his wife in an elevator. I just don`t see anybody
wanting to deal with either of those things on their team.

SCHULTZ: And what about the NFL, Goodell is he getting off Scott Free here
because he said earlier that this running back was not forthcoming? Yet an
arbitrator said, "Oh yes, he was." So there`s a miscommunication or
misinterpretation there, isn`t there?

SOUHAN: I think it`s just Goodell`s incompetence. He`s handled everything
-- the man`s getting paid $44 million a year to make the league look good
or protect it from looking bad. His decision-making has been abysmal. He,
you know, he wanted to come down hard on all NFL infractions.

He tried to become the Sheriff. And then he was faced with Ray Rice
punching his wife in an elevator knowing that Ray Rice punched his wife in
an elevator. He gave him a two games suspension. Everything he`s done
since then has been reaction to that.

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

SOUHAN: I wish I can come up with better line (inaudible) the New York
Times said, he`s breaking all of the rules that he`s making up as he goes
along and that`s exactly it.

SCHULTZ: Jim Souhan, good to have you with us tonight. I appreciate it.

SOUHAN: Thanks Ed.

SCHULTZ: You bet. Climate change is gearing up to be next big political
and economic battle. I`ll tell you the story of an American company that`s
ready for the challenge. The Punch Out ahead. Stay with us.

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SCHULTZ: As the political landscape gets greener. We will introduce you
to an American industry on the forefront of the energy revolution. Keep it
right here on the Ed Show, we`ll be right back.

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SCHULTZ: And this is the story for the folks who take a shower after work.
You know, with climate change in the forefront we have to think about
conservation. An obvious fix is for big billions in America and companies
to become more energy efficient. There`s a team of specialty contractors
whose main objective is just that. I visited the iSave Insulation Training
Facility in Chicago last week.

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SCHULTZ: It seems that Washington can`t agree on anytime but one thing we
should be able to agree on is creating jobs and saving billions of dollars.
This is a story about not being able to see the forest because of the
trees. In our own backyard, if we pay attention to particulars we can do
both create jobs and save billions of dollars. In the energy sector it`s
about mechanical insulation.

What? Yeah. Mechanical insulation, nobody talks about it but there are
billions of dollars on the table to be saved if we act as a country and if
Congress does its job.

ALEC REXROAT, EXEC. DIRECTOR, ISAVE TEAM: For years our industry has flown
unto the radar. We`ve not been out promoting. That`s what we`re doing
now, we`re trying to promote. What we need to do is make sure plant
managers understand what we bring to the table. We need incentives,
preferably if we can get them from Congress, incentives to do this work.

And then once we show the workbook, once we show them that this works then
we`ll see that people start buying into mechanical insulation in the
maintenance sector.

SCHULTZ: In 2008 the big discussion and debate was about health care.
Following elections, it was all about the economy. Now the next big
discussion is about climate change as it relates to energy.

I`ve been Iowa and I`ve done a lot of work on wind. I`ve been in other
states doing work solar. Is that what you`re talking about, you really
need to have some tax incentives to get people moving in this direction?

REXROAT: Exactly.

SCHULTZ: Because those have definitely worked.

REXROAT: They have worked. They have worked. The other big one that`s
worked is the little curly cue light bulb. Everybody has a new light bulb
that -- everybody`s buying new light bulbs. It takes nine years to trade
for the light bulb. For the average steam valve, it pays for itself in
three to six months.

SCHULTZ: The iSave team is taking a revolutionary approach to promoting
mechanical insulations. Mechanical installation is the first true green
building component.

REXROAT: This is a whole another segment of various types of materials,
various systems that are in place and we`ll -- I`ll show what we do and how
we do it and why it`s important. And I can do that over here. I`m going
to show you a couple of devices we use when we do energy audits.

SCHULTZ: Sure.

REXROAT: And we have two separate ones. This is just a laser gun. It`s a
pipe and tells you the temperature.

SCHULTZ: Sure.

REXROAT: That`s a 106 degrees. The thermal imaging gun when shot on that
same elbow -- well, you can just see what happened there. There`s the
elbow. It`s a 113 degrees. I got it. These are mock ups obviously. But
this would be a mock up of a plumbing wall. It`s a castle type like you
would have in your house. And these guys are learning how to insulate
those properly. This is Armaflex, Foamglas -- close cell material. And
that`s what it will look like when it`s done.

And the energy savings on this domestic water 120 degree water will pay for
itself in about 22 months. This represents a steam line and any oil
refinery or whatever it is, you`re going to have a pipe that`s 350 degrees,
something like that. That`s what this would be in an oil refinery system
(ph). We have two representations here, one of a valve cover that we call
a hard cover, this is regular insulation inside.

SCHULTZ: Sure.

REXROAT: This is a removable blanket that this young lady made. And she`s
going to show you how you put that on. When that`s removed, first of all
it leather. Second of all when it`s removed and somebody has to work on
that valve they can just put that right back on.

SCHULTZ: Sure.

REXROAT: And it doesn`t have -- this cost a lot of money. These two but
only once.

SCHULTZ: You got a lot of success with these.

REXROAT: Yeah, oh yeah. They`re fantastic.

SCHULTZ: It`s right in front of us, cooper facilities that are energy
efficient, are money savers but also job creators.

You mentioned billions of dollars. We just haven`t put it together
properly have we?

REXROAT: No.

SCHULTZ: And if we were to do that, if we were to have a massive somewhat
of an infrastructural change amongst facilities in this country we would
see a big return on investment?

REXROAT: Ed, it would be enormous. It would be absolutely enormous. The
Chicago market alone, the average hospital has 13 miles of pipeline,
insulated pipe.

SCHULTZ: The average hospital?

REXROAT: The average hospital.

SCHULTZ: OK.

REXROAT: 13 miles. The Department of Energy estimates that between 10 and
30 percent of the mechanical installation that should be in place is
missing or damaged to point where it`s not functioning properly.

SCHULTZ: So we have this big hole.

REXROAT: We have a huge hole.

SCHULTZ: And this hole is about facilities, conservation, good jobs.

REXROAT: Jobs.

SCHULTZ: Right?

REXROAT: Absolutely, absolutely.

SCHULTZ: And this would be a long project for America wouldn`t it? I mean
if we were to -- this is a big concept. I mean this could be found in
every state, every region, every town where improvements could be made.

REXROAT: Yes. The short answer is yes. The long answer is that the
markets, when these markets turn around and start doing this the pay backs
will be so fast compared to other things that we could put so many people
to work today. Its shovel -- this is shovel ready. We don`t need any new
technology. The materials are in place. 95 percent of the materials we
use are made in America. So this is all here just waiting for us to
embrace it.

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SCHULTZ: And that`s the Ed Show. I`m Ed Schultz.

Politics Nation with Reverend Al Sharpton starts right now. Good evening,
Rev.



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