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January 7, 2015

Guest: Michael Kay, Suzanne Nossel, Negin Farsad, Tim Ryan, Mark Potok

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to the Ed Show
live from New York. Let`s get to work.


barbaric attack this morning.

PRES. FRANCOIS HOLLANDE, FRANCE: France`s deadliest terror attack in at
least two decades.

JOHN KERRY, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: The horrific attack in Paris.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This clearly was an organized hit.

BAN-KI-MOON, U.N. SECRETARY-GENERAL: It was also a direct assault on a
cornerstone of democracy.

freedom of speech and freedom of the press.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This threat that`s posed by foreign fighters.

OBAMA: These kinds of attacks can happen anywhere in the world.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It is the Republic that has been attacked.

KERRY: Every American stands with you today.


SCHULTZ: Good evening Americans. We start tonight with breaking news.
The world is reacting to a horrific terrorist attack that took place in
Paris, France today. It is now 11:00 P.M. in Paris and three suspects are
still on the loose after delivering the country`s deadliest terror attack
in decades.

The Associated Press has identified the three suspects but not named them.
The two masked gun men involved in the attack were armed with AK-47s
stormed the offices of the Charlie Hebdo Satirical Magazine. One suspect
drove the getaway car after the shootings took place. It had a level of
organization no doubt.

12 people were shot and killed in the attack including two police officers
and 8 journalists, several others were critically injured. The gunman
reportedly screamed Allahu Akbar during the shooting. The attack is
thought to be in retaliation for the newspaper publishing satirical images
of Islam including the Prophet Mohammed. France is currently under the
highest level of terror alert. NBC`s Steve Handelsman has the latest.


STEVE HANDELSMAN, NBC CORRESPONDENT: Leaving behind the dead or dying at
the newspaper, the gunmen in Paris calmly walked to a car, got in, and
escaped. And France went on highest alert against more attacks.

OBAMA: We will provide them with every bit of assistance that we can.

HANDELSMAN: President Obama deplored the killing of journalists.

OBAMA: Freedom of expression is something that can`t be silenced because
of the senseless violence.

HANDELSMAN: Today`s target was a satirical newspaper called Charlie Hebdo.
It ran cartoons mocking the Prophet Mohammed and was firebombed in 2011.
Police say today, masked gunmen with assault rifles rushed in, went to a
staff meeting and killed everyone, including a police bodyguard. Outside
the gunmen coolly fired on police, wounded another officer then executed

It was not a lone wolf attack like the one last month in Australia or in
Canada in October. In Paris some mistook today`s team of terrorists for
elite French anti-terror forces.

are guys who have either had prior battlefield experience who were able to
get significant military training somewhere outside of France.

HANDELSMAN: ISIS claims 500 French fighters in Syria and Iraq. Witnesses
say today`s attackers spoke perfect French. Extra guards are posted
tonight at French facilities in the U.S. A crowd gathered in Paris in
solidarity with the slain journalists as the search went on for the


SCHULTZ: Earlier today French President Francois Hollande said today`s
events represented an attack on democracy and freedom. He declared
tomorrow a national holiday of mourning for France. A reaction from world
leaders around the world has been fast and stern. Earlier today British
Prime Minister David Cameron addressed the situation.


CAMERON: What has happened in Paris is an appalling terrorist outrage and
I know that everyone in Britain will want to stand with the French
Government and with the French people at this time. We must never allow
the values that we hold dear, of democracy, of freedom of speech to be
damaged by these terrorists. We must stand against what they have done and
I feel huge sympathy for everyone in France, particularly for the families
of those who have lost loved ones. We will stand with you at this time.

And I know that Chancellor Merkel will absolutely agree with me that
everyone should combine to condemn completely this outrage and stand with
the French people at this time.


SCHULTZ: The manhunt for the three suspects is still underway at this
hour. We`ll bring you any updates or new details as we get them. For more
let me bring in NBC News White House Correspondent Kristen Welker. Kristen
how closely are American authorities working with the French in any kind of
assistance to try to solve this horrific shooting?

fact intelligence officials, national security officials have been in
contact with their French counterparts throughout the day. We know that
late today President Obama spoke with French President Francois Hollande.
We are still waiting for an official read out of that call.

But of course earlier today President Obama condemned the attacks in the
strongest possible terms. And that the United States would offer its full
assistance to France as it continues its investigation. Now officials with
the Department of Homeland Security, the Defense Department, the Secret
Service are monitoring the situation. At this point they are not
increasing the threat level here because there is no known terror threat
here against the United States at this point in time.

Having said that, President Obama said that what happened in Paris a
reminder that a terrorist attack can happen anywhere, so we are seeing some
beefed up security in some major cities like Boston and New York City. So
the Obama administration continuous to monitor the situation quite closely
now, of course President Obama left this afternoon for a three-day three-
state trip that was initially supposed to be focused on the economy,
previewing his State of Union Address.

But now undoubtedly this terrorist attack will to some extent at least
overshadow that trip. I am told that President Obama is going to get
regular briefing throughout the day, the evening and over the coming days
as he continues on that trip, Ed.

SCHULTZ: Kristen Welker at the White House thank you for your time. I
appreciate that. Let me bring Mikey Kay whose international affair
correspondent, former British Senior Official, also with us tonight Steve
Clemens, MSNBC Contributor and Editor-at-Large for the Atlantic. Gentlemen
thank you for you time.

Mikey you first, how sophisticated, how well trained we`re these attackers

video that you were showing, I think there`s a lot of clues in that. Its
certainly from my experience, it looks calm, it looks methodical, it looks
premeditated. These guys look like they had prior training.

There was no urgency in them wanting to get away so that tells me that
they`ve scouted out this location. The fact that the magazine was being
launched on a Wednesday it was the day of the attack. They would have
known that there was a big meeting going on headed up by Stephane
Charbonnier who is the editor that was killed.

SCHULTZ: So there was a level of planning here and on level of comfort on
the part of the perpetrators going into this?

KAY: It certainly looks like that from the evidence that we can see on the
video footage that was shown.

SCHULTZ: And the ruthlessness in the execution of the man that was shot
and then shot in the head right on the side walk brings us to the
understanding of just how ruthless these people are. But we don`t know
who, we don`t know why and there`s no confirmed responsibility. What do
you make of that?

KAY: Clinical is the word. It was absolutely clinical. And for me there
has to have been some former experience. There has to have been some sort
of training that has gone on prior to this event happening. You know, we
have seen the events that happened in Sydney where a lone wolf goes into a
cafe, and it`s all sort of a little bit discombobulated. This wasn`t.

This was premeditated. And these guys knew what they were doing. So for
me if I was the intelligence community I`d be looking deep into these --
into the backgrounds of the suspects and try to work out, you know, where
they got these experiences.

SCHULTZ: How valuable is this video tape?

KAY: It`s incredibly invaluable. I mean the intelligence community will
be strolling all over this. I mean, as I said right at the very beginning
it gives some very good clues as to the mindset of these perpetrators.

SCHULTZ: Let`s go to Steve Clemens. Steve, good to have you with us
tonight. What is this...

STEVE CLEMENS, THE ATLANTIC: Good to be with you Ed.

SCHULTZ: You bet. What does signal? Is this a new type of warfare that
we`re going to be seeing possibly coming? What do you make of it?

CLEMENS: Well, I think there has been a lot of discussion today about lone
wolf attacks and why this isn`t that, and Mikey Kay went into great detail.
He`s a terrific analyst of what we saw unfold. But as many people are
watching this, there are many people looking at how clinical, deliberate,
confident and methodical this horrible incident was. And you worry that it
becomes a template for others.

I mean the biggest concern that one has that this is a self-selected cell.
One that wasn`t necessary completely connected ISIS. And you`re beginning
to see a capacity develop and metastasize inside, in this case France but
perhaps other places down the road. And that`s very, very disconcerting if
that were to happen. So we -- what one -- wants to happen is to analyze
this, look at it and look at how you pull the plug on this kind of

And it`s hard because you don`t know where they`ll hit or strike. And
Paris is not exactly a nonsecure city. It`s a very secure city.

SCHULTZ: What about social media? That of course has played a big factor
in the aftermath of this today. Intelligence authorities, how closely are
they paying attention to that and how credible do they think it could be?

CLEMENT: I think they`re paying a lot of attention to the social media
connections. I`ve been talking to intelligence officials who are paying a
lot more to the -- attention to the linkages between people particularly as
you`ve seen groups like al-Nusra and ISIS and other groups that we`re
talking about the al-Qaeda affiliate groups in Yemen and in North Africa.

There was a visit by the Minister of Defense from France to Washington just
a couple of months ago where he was expressing concern about increased
communication and coordination between groups. They were based in Africa
and outreach to ISIS and mimicry of ISIS. And that was one of the things
he tried to raise and alert level here in Washington and invited a number
of journalists including myself to talk about that.

So this has been on the French radar screen for sometime. So there`s an
awful lot of analysis and constant turning of the social media activity
going on as a way to begin doing something. Part of the question is, once
you see that map what do you do with it?

SCHULTZ: Yeah. Well, as an accomplished journalist of decades, how do you
feel about this? This is, to me anyway, a new wave or terror and sets up a
whole new theater of possibilities that could take place on freedom of
speech and those who are involved in the industry. Is this is changing?

CLEMENT: Ed, you`ve hit on the head and it`s very disconcerting. A short
while ago somebody asked me, what should the United States, what should
other countries be doing? I said, hug your journalist, hug your comics,
hug the people that are out there making culture, making films, writing.
We have in this country, you know, battles between the Department of
Justice and reporters who are doing their jobs.

You have in Turkey, Erdogan has jailed a cartoonist that he doesn`t like.
You have in Egypt, Al Jazeera journalist sitting in jail because of them
reporting the news. And so, we`re talking about horrible acts that
terrorist have taken today against journalist. But governments are also
setting a very poor standard.

Right now the best thing every government can do, particularly illiberal
governments that are trying to uproar (ph) what happened into Paris, is
they need to celebrate and hold up those people who shine a spotlight on
what`s happening on their society.

That is a very disconcerting thing that that`s not happening more around
the world.

SCHULTZ: Outstanding observation. Now, Mikey how confident are you that
these suspects will be apprehended?

KAY: I`m pretty confident, we`re already starting to get reports emerging
that the police through French media, the BCC reporting that the -- they`ve
actually been identified. I think you`ll be to run but I don`t think
they`ll be able to hide on this. I think this is fascinating because, you
know, Steve has already touched upon some of the groups that could be
involved but there are (inaudible), it`s not just ISIS, it`s Jabhat al-
Nusra. If we look into Africa, it`s Boko Haram, it`s al-Qaeda Maghreb

If we look into Yemen AQAP, I mean there are just a myriad of organization
that could have influenced this in some way. But, we have rewind back to
2003. The French have had issues with Jahadist in France since 2003.
People wanting to go to Iraq pulled the -- al-Zarqawi who was the, then
leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq and was taken out by U.S. airstrike in 2006.

This has been brewing for a long time. In Europe, U.K. specifically has a
protect arm to counter insurgency strategy which is trying to identify how
the disenfranchise people within the countries are growing, how that
organic treat is going. And that in my opinion is just as important as
taking bombs, bullets and mortars to Syria.

SCHULTZ: But the only consistent protection here is constant surveillance,
constant intel.

KAY: Yes...

SCHULTZ: I mean there`s no protection in a free society to stop things
such as this.

KAY: Well...

SCHULTZ: You got to be lucky to be able to stop it.

KAY: Well look, you got to take a step back, you`re going to take a
holistic approach to this treat. What do I mean by that is we got to have
the support of regional partners around Syria, Saudi Arabia...

SCHULTZ: OK but, but if they`re making a determination on criticism,
critique or disparaging media comments or, you know, satirical critique or
anything like that, this opens up the whole Pandora`s box of terror that we
have never seen before.

KAY: It is, but I mean look, we`ve seen -- I`ve seen pictures in France as
we speak, in the Place de la Republique there are thousands and thousands
of French public amassing together in solidarity to say, look, you know,
you can come on us all you want, we are going to carry on with our lives,
we are still going to report in freedom of speech, freedom of press, we`re
carry out and exercise those democratic values. And whatever you do isn`t
going to change that.

And I think that`s important. I think the response by the French public
has been phenomenal.

SCHULTZ: All right, this just in. NBC news has confirmed three new
suspects have been identified. Two suspects are in their 30s, the other
suspect is 18-years-old, what do you make of that demographic Mike?

KAY: Again, you know, I`ve done a lot of research into this, I`ve been to
Lebanon. I spoke with radical shakes (ph). This is about the younger
society. I was recently in central Asia doing a report on radical Islam.
You speak to the elders, the moderates. They`re very happy and content
with life, they`re very happy with the modern (ph) reform of Islam, the
interpretation. You speak to the youth, the younger generation, that`s
where the disenfranchisement is occurring.

That`s where the -- that`s what we need to address, is these youngsters
that have been disenfranchise, that are going to mosques, that are
basically absorbing this hatred and (inaudible), that`s where we need to
get into, and also foreign policy. We need to understand that unintended
consequences and the secondary consequences of our own foreign policy. We
got look (inaudible) as well.

SCHULTZ: Steve Clement says this all unfolds in the hours, in the
aftermath in the coverage and the feeling of it all. It is emotionally
paralleling that of 9/11 when you see the world out commenting on this.
And, this could also be a unifying moment again, not that we haven`t had it
since 9/11 but revisiting the unification to fight terrorism and to
understand the treat that is out there.

How do you respond to the response of the French people and the way they`re
protesting in solidarity right now?

CLEMENT: Well I think what Mikey laid out about the people that are, you
know, sticking with their freedoms of expression and saying that we`re
going to continue to do what we do to have a healthy civil society and not
be intimidated. I would like to see candlelight vigils all around the
world in honor of those people who died today in this horrific attack. But
where I`d like to most see them are in Riyadh, in Jeddah, in to Iran and
around the Middle East, in places where you have illiberal civil society.

You have governments, you have a lot of this stress and you have confusion.
It is time for those societies and the leadership in those societies to
stand up and spit on what happened today. And for people who are -- who
want to see a better lives for their children and for their society stand
up and say, our world of Islam does not include what we saw happening...


CLEMENT: ... in Paris. And, I think that is not something we can
initiate. It has to come from there. And I`m so happy to see it happening
in France but what I really want to see is that to infect in a positive way
the emotional currents inside the Middle East.

SCHULTZ: All right Mikey Kay and Steve Clements, great. Gentlemen, thank
you, thanks for being here on the Ed Show tonight with our coverage.

Coming up, France`s message to the world, we are not afraid. We`ll look at
what this deadly attack means for freedom and the press abroad, here at
home as well. Keep it here we`ll be right back.


OBAMA: But the one thing that I`m very confident about is that the values
that we share with French people, a belief -- a universal belief in the
freedom of expression, is something that can`t be silenced.

KERRY: The freedom expression that it represented is not able to be killed
by this kind of act of terror. On the contrary, it will never be
eradicated by any act of terror.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. You were looking live at the gift
of the country of France gave this country, the United States, 128 years
ago the Statue of Liberty. Freedom of expression is part of democracy.

Democracy was targeted in today`s attacks in Paris, France. Two gunmen
open fire inside the offices of satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo. 8 of
the 12 people shot and killed were journalist. Several others were
critically injured. Right now, thousands of people are gathering in a
public square in Paris holding a vigil in solidarity for the lives lost

Charlie Hebdo has been a target of violence in the past for its satirical
take on the news and current affairs. The paper was recently accused of
blasphemy for publishing a cover Muslims called offensive. In November of
2011, a magazine was firebombed one day after it printed a caricature for
the prophet Muhammad.

France is the birthplace of democracy itself. The country has a long
history of sacrifice for the price of freedom. In 2015, lives should not
be lost for freedom of expression. You can feel the world uniting as this
coverage continues around the world tonight.

Joining me now is Suzanne Nossel, Executive Director of the PEN American
Center. Also with us, Negin Farsad Writer and Director of the comic
documentary, "The Muslims Are Coming". Great to have both of you with us

Negin, you first. The culture of France attacked today. Just not a
newspaper but a real culture and I think that`s evident in the fact that
the French people are out protesting tonight in solidarity. What do you
make of this? Put into words what you`ve experienced today.

nothing more to really say other than it`s completely tragic, it`s totally
wrong. I`m a Muslim and I denounce the act -- this act, I mean -- and it`s
disgusting. I mean, I`m not exactly sure what else there is really to be

SCHULTZ: But, this type of satirical news coverage, this is something new.
It`s been around for the ages. So why this and why now?

FARSAD: I mean, I`m not exactly -- I mean, I think that you can`t really
answer that kind of question when you`re dealing with a really deranged
small group of people. I can`t really say why if deranged people did what
they did. I can`t really say why there are mass gun shootings in United
States and why they`re deranged and why they do it.

I think, you know, we`re really -- really want to get on this, talking
about as a terrorist provident and giving it a larger geopolitical
significance. But I`m really more interested in saying that these people
are really deranged and that if they`re doing something in the name of
Islam, they`re not really Muslims.

SCHULTZ: Well, they`re clearly motivated. The way it was organized and
clinical. It`s the way it was described by our experts earlier.

Suzanne, where does it all go from here? How much of a mark on this is
freedom? And now, it really underscores a new level of bravery to do what
we do.

SUZANNE NOSSEL, EXEC. DIR., PEN: It`s true. I mean it comes on the hills
also in the Sony attack and the threats that we think illuminated (ph) from
North Korea which intimated a movie studio, led to the cancellation of
another potentially controversial films.

So it is sort of this moment where we have the confrontation between people
that believe that insults and offenses whether it`s to Kim-Jong Un or its
the prophet Muhammad or grounds for threats, attacks, and violence and it`s
the question of how the rest of the world response whether a Muslim leaders
around the world step up and denounce this. They`re doing so here in the
United States. They`re doing so in some of the Islamic organizations but I
think we`re still waiting to hear from some of the heads of states, some of
the clerics who have a very influential voice.

I mean, it is the work of deranged individuals, I think that`s true. But
at the same time, we have to knowledge there is an ideology at work.
There`s been an effort in the U.N. system to impose a global ban on
blasphemy. And there are people who believe that these insults are
justifications and provocations for violence and can actually legitimize

SCHULTZ: And that`s why I said earlier in this broadcast that -- asking
the question, is this a new wave of motivation for terror in this world?
It`s almost like they are looking for any morsel (ph) of information or
reason they can to go hit innocent people.

NOSSEL: I mean, there`s an Anti-Western ideology at work. I mean it`s not
entirely new it begun in 2005 it`s kind of phenomena with the Danish
cartoons and the protests, some of which turn deadly in Danish consulates
and diplomatic installations around the world. Then we saw the "Innocence
of Muslims", and that triggered a whole wave of violence as far away as

So, it`s an intensification that`s been building but, you know, today is
sort of the first time we`ve seen something so methodically targeted,
meticulously planned, you know, individuals, 80-year-old cartoonist, you
know, inside an office. And I think you`re right, that has struck a very
deep cored and forced people who maybe had ignored this issue until now to
kind of come grips (ph) of it.

SCHULTZ: Professionally, what does it do to people that do what you do?

FARSAD: I mean, I think for people who are really in the game it does
nothing. I mean, we`re going to stick to our jokes. We`re stick to our
satire. And there`s nothing that`s going to help us.

SCHULTZ: You wouldn`t change anything at all at this point. This could
give you stronger resolve?

FARSAD: Absolutely not. I mean, I`ve said plenty of things on camera that
have gotten me in trouble and have gotten me hate mail from Christians,
Jews, and Muslims. All groups equally offended.

So, and nothing has ever stopped me and this is really tragic. This is
really awful but I don`t think that it will stop -- I don`t think it will
stop the satirist of France, I don`t think it will stop this satirist of
the West.

SCHULTZ: Your comic documentary, "The Muslims Are Coming", how do you feel
about it now? Is it the right thing to do?

FARSAD: To get people to build a bridge with the Muslim Americans -- I
mean, I think, you know, it`s interesting because just recently President
Hollande commemorated 100,000 Muslims servicemen who fought in World War I
and World War II.

And that, you know, we, you know, we call them French patriots that day and
I wish that positive association with Muslims was pasted to the entire
Muslim world, but instead we take these violent act that happened and we of
a few people and paste that on that to the entire world. It`s not a
logical way of looking at it.

SCHULTZ: Will there be industry changes? You`ve mentioned North Korea
Suzanne. Could that be the norm? Could there be new precautions taken for
releases now because of what we`ve seen?

NOSSEL: I think we certainly are hearing about that in the film industry
and I think what happen Sony is giving all industry executives a measure of
pause. I don`t know how quickly we`ll see another assassination film
related to a sitting head of state.

You know, I think that Negin is right, that there is an attitude defiance
and many satirist or journalist saying, you know, we`re going to come back
even harder. We published images from Charlie Hebdo on our website today.
Other organizations are doing the same, stand with them and make clear that
we want these images to get out even further and wider, but effects of
these are also insidious. You know, their individual editors were making
calculations and somewhere in the back their mind, you know, do these fears
for safety, reputation, you know, employees, play some part in this
judgment calls.

You know, that`s hard to say so I think we do have to be on guard for
chilling effect. I don`t think we can dismiss it.

SCHULTZ: Now, your instinct right now as people who work in the industry
of saying whatever you want, OK. How threatened do you feel? How
emboldened are you right now? And how do you think the world is going to
react to this?

OK, there`s a protest out there but really what is the aftermath of this
going to be?

NOSSEL: Well, this kind of fine line. You know, here editors certainly
think about, you know, whether it`s an Anti-Semitic cartoon or an Anti-
Muslim cartoon.

You know, in the United States we are a multicultural society. We`re very
conscious about religious and ethnic differences not offending people,
being tolerant. And some of these, there can be a fine line between that
kind of editorial judgment and a sort of self-censorship that says, you
know, this just goes too far, it`s too incendiary. Maybe it could even be

So I think we -- all of us have...

SCHULTZ: So you think that critic will now be there. That evaluation of
work will be there that maybe hasn`t been there in the past...

NOSSEL: I don`t know if people would be affront about it.


NOSSEL: You know, I think it works in insidious ways but we can exclude
that. I mean, this -- every editor who, you know, is going to look at
cartoon that is inflammatory, you know, somewhere they`re going to think...

SCHULTZ: I mean, there used to be a mindset -- there used to be a mindset,
print it, let`s go, you know, and it might not be like that. Is that what
I`m hearing?

FARSAD: Well, I mean, there`s a time too and you could deny the Holocaust
in France and they`ve been denying the Holocaust in France. And so I
think, you know, there might be something along those lines that the French
might want to tackle for when it comes to images of the prophet Muhammad.
I wouldn`t, you know, but that might be something that we see coming out of
this as we`ve seen, you know, with the banning of Holocaust (ph).

SCHULTZ: And finally, how do you think your audience is going to be
receiving the "Muslims Are Coming"?

FARSAD: I hope that they continue receiving it in the spirit that it was
made. We`re trying to build a bridge between Americans and Muslim-
Americans in the United States. Muslim-Americans are not Saudis, they`re
not Pakistanis, they`re not terrorists. They are completely different
group in we`re, you know, we don`t want to keep explain citizens of a few
(ph). We`re a loving people.

SCHULTZ: Negin Farsad and also Suzanne Nossel, great to have both of you
with us tonight. I appreciate your time here on the Ed Show. Thank you.

Coming up, President Obama pledges support to France. We`ll talk to
Congressman Tim Ryan about the nation`s terror response. Where do we go
from here?

And later, combating violence and hatred here in the United States, we`ll
have the latest on the attack on the Colorado NAACP.


SCHULTZ: This hour, NBC News has identified the three suspects in the
Paris attacks. We know two of the men are in their early 30s and the third
gunman is 18-years-old. It`s not clear if police and authorities are close
to apprehending the suspects. We`ll have a live report out of Paris next
here on the Ed Show. There`s a lot more coming up. Stay with us.

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SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. We`re following today`s breaking
news out of Paris, France. Two gunmen armed with AK-47s stormed the
offices of the French satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo, killing 12 people
including 8 journalists and 2 police officers, 11 others were injured, 4

The gunmen fled the scene in a waiting car. The Associative Press has
identified the three suspects who carried out the attacks. At this hour,
three have -- there have been no arrest although the suspects have been

French prosecutor Francois Molins said in an earlier press conference,
details of the manhunt are being kept confidential.

I`m joined tonight by NBC News`s Cassandra Vinograd on the scene in Paris.

Cassandra, what is the latest from Paris tonight?

police have confirmed NBC News the identities of the three suspects who are
believed to still be on the run, two 30-year-old men and one 18-year-old.

As far as other information, they`re keeping it pretty close to the best.
It is a massive manhunt at the moment and police in France have really
stepped up security not just in Paris but around the country.

SCHULTZ: Cassandra, if they have identified the suspects, do they know who
they`re associated with? How much information do we know about where these
attackers came from?

VINOGRAD: To be honest, we know very, very little at the moment and I
wouldn`t want to speculate. We know that the suspects have been identified
as Said Kouachi who`s 32, Cherif Kouachi who`s 34 and Hamyd Mourad, he`s

In terms of whether they`re affiliated with any known groups or whether
they`re known to police, sorry it`s really too soon to say.

SCHULTZ: Cassandra, how are the people in the community of Paris reacting?
I know that there has been some solidarity protests that have unfolded
spontaneously in the city. Describe what`s happening for us?

VINOGRAD: Well, the French President Francois Hollande said earlier that
it`s important right now for everyone to come together and that`s really
exactly what we`re seeing in Paris. Tens of thousands of people turned out
for a rally this evening in support Charlie Hebdo, the magazine which came
under attack.

You have people filling the Place de la Republique which is an iconic
landmark in Paris, saying we are Charlie just to show that they`re
supporting the magazine, its staff, the families of those who lost loved
ones and also showing that the press will not be silence.

SCHULTZ: What is the strategy at this point? How resourceful, I mean, are
all resources, all hands on deck and all effort being made to apprehend
these three. Give us a description of just how much effort is being put
into this by authorities?

VINOGRAD: Authorities are really sparing no amount of manpower. They`ve
deployed I think 16 additional police units throughout Paris. They`re
sending out extra military personnel to beef up security on public places
and tourist sites and shopping malls, places of worship, you name it. And
they really pledged that they will track down the proprietors of this
horrific attack and they`ll make sure that they`ll see justice.

SCHULTZ: Cassandra, is there a level of shock that such innocent people
who have made their living of freedom of the press have been just viciously
and violently and horrifically attacked? If you could describe the
demeanor of the French people right now of how they`re responding to this
and just how emotionally straining this is for them as far as being so
shocked that this happened?

VINOGRAD: You know Ed someone said on French radio earlier that this is a
9/11 for France. There have been attacks here on the past but this is
really the largest in a very, very long time. And it`s not just a terror
attack it`s also an attack on freedom of the press and the French President
Francois Hollande also said earlier, you know, this is an attack on
democracy and attack on freedom. These were journalist working for freedom
of the press and they were gunned down doing their jobs.

SCHULTZ: Cassandra Vinograd in Paris tonight for NBC News on the Ed Show.
I appreciate your time. Thank you so much.

The attacks on the journalist in Paris came with no warning. It leaves not
only France but the world on edge because of the bold nature of the attack.

Let me bring in Congressman Tim Ryan of Ohio, a member of the House Armed
Services Committee. Congressman, certainly not the subject we want to talk
about but also we have to shed light on the fact that this may give us
pause as to just how vulnerable we are in an open and free society. What
is the reaction on Capitol Hill tonight Congressman? What`s the
conversation amongst your colleagues?

REP. TIM RYAN, (D) OHIO: Well, I think it`s worrisome, you know, in many
ways from the security point of view. This is something that can -- it`s
been out of control. I mean, here you have these small cells, small groups
of people, three, four, five, organizing themselves to create a terrorists
attack big or small. You know, maybe not thousands of people but tens of
people and that can happen almost anywhere and any part of our society
especially in the west.

And, so it`s very, very worrisome I think for many people here on Capitol
Hill and obviously a tragedy for so many families and a tragedy for a great
ally of ours.

SCHULTZ: What assistance do you think the United States can provide to
France in this situation Congressman?

RYAN: Well, you know, I think a lot of that has to be through the
intelligence community. From a couple of the reports that I heard, there
were other potential attacks like this in France that were disrupted
because of the intelligence. So, I think, you know, we need to make sure
that we`re learning from what happened in this scenario and what we can do
to maybe help the French.

Maybe something slipped to the cracks and why did that happen and so, using
our expertise and the intelligence community and also Homeland Security to
help them better understand what happened in this particular instance but
also be prepared for things that may happen in the future.

SCHULTZ: Congressman when you see this video tape as horrific as it is,
what do you think? What is it tell you? I mean, it looks organized, it
looks planned. There was a sense of calm among these guys who did this.
It seemed like they knew exactly what they were going to do and how they
were going to do it and there would be no resistance.

RYAN: Yes, what really instruct me too this wasn`t a suicide bomber, you
know, this wasn`t someone with a vest on that was going to walk in and take
their own lives. These are people who clearly planned this out in an
organize way. And then got into a car and drove away.

So they clearly want to do it again. So, I think we`re moving in to some
new territory here where it`s not, we`re going to fly planes into a
building or we`re going strap a bomb to our chest and pull it in an open
area or open market like it happens a lot in certain countries. This is
someone who`s planning an attack. They want to execute it and they want to
survive and go off and I think this is some new territory for us to be in.

SCHULTZ: Well that is a very profound point to be made. I mean, could
this be the start of a way of a new type of terror around the globe, that
it`s not going to be airplanes flying into buildings. It`s going to be
attacks like this which clearly are on minds of every soul on the planet.

RYAN: Right, and I don`t think it`s just, you know, it`s -- yeah, it`s a
horrific act but I think, you know, you look at the European economy for
example, you know, these smaller attacks in retail places of business could
ultimately have an economic impact as well as we saw after 9/11 here on the
United States. It had a major impact on what was happening economically.

So, they`re getting a multiple benefit from their advantage point of these
small scale attacks. It provides a good deal of terror throughout society
but also has economic impact as well.

SCHULTZ: Congressman Tim Ryan of Ohio, good to have you with us tonight.
Thank you sir, I appreciate it.

RYAN: Take care, Ed.

SCHULTZ: Coming up, the search is on for a terrorist bomber who targeted
an NAACP Office on the State of Colorado. The story ahead here on the Ed
Show, stay with us. We`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Today divers in the Java Sea from
the first significant piece of wreckage from AirAsia Flight 8501,
Indonesian searchers discovered the part of the tail buried in mud 100 feet
below the water surface.

The tail may hold the plane`s block boxes. The voice and flight data
recordings could give investigators clues into the cause of the crash.

Strong currents are making it difficult for crews to reach the wreckage.
The plane crashed 11 days ago in route from Indonesia to Singapore, 162
people were onboard. One more body was recovered earlier today bringing
the total to 40 only 24 of those victims have been identified.

No survivors have been found. We`ll continue to follow any developments.
Keep it here on the Ed Show. We`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: And finally tonight, the nation remains ever vigilant this
evening. Baltimore officers disarmed a man who walked into the police
station on Tuesday morning. When law enforcement searched the 29-year-old,
they found a 22 caliber handgun with a round on the chamber.

The man said he was set by his gang.


in the City of Baltimore sent an armed suspect into our building to see our
security, to test our security. That is alarming for us. That is alarming
to me and I`m going to send a message along those lines to understand that
we`re not going to cower.


SCHULTZ: And then Colorado Springs, Colorado. The FBI is actively
investigating an explosion outside of the local NAACP Chapter. Bomb squad
members combed the scene after an explosive device detonated against the
building. No one was injured.

The device was placed near a gas can which did not ignite in the explosion.
The President of the local chapter said the incident will not deter their
community work.


doing something correct. Apparently we have gotten someone`s attention
that we are working toward civil rights for all. And that is making some
people uncomfortable.


SCHULTZ: FBI officials say they don`t know if the explosion was aimed at
the civil rights organization. Law enforcement is searching for a balding
white male in his 40s with a white pick-up track.

Joining me tonight on this Mark Potok, Senior Fellow at the Southern
Poverty Law Center. Mark, good to have you with us tonight.

Colorado, is this kind of activity everywhere, what do you make if it
happening in Colorado Springs?

MARK POTOK, SR. FELLOW, SPLC: Well, I don`t think it`s terribly surprising
that it would occur there. I mean Colorado is a bit of a strange state and
that it has very liberal enclaves in Denver another cities, but once you
get on the country it is a very, very conservative state. And of course
Colorado Springs itself was for many, many years the kind of national
capital of the Christian right with all kinds of big organizations there.

They also have another attack in 1997, a group of antigovernment so-called
patriots who firebombed the IRS building in Colorado Springs and actually
it cost almost $3 million in damage.

SCHULTZ: What are the implications that this is a hate crime?

POTOK: Well, if it indeed was an attack on NAACP it was the latest in a
very long string of bombing attacks on that organization, going back at
least to 1965 and probably considerably before. I mean there been a whole
string of these attacks.

In 1981 for instance NAACP Office was attacked. In 1989 an NAACP lawyer in
Savanna was murdered with a latter bomb. There was an attack with the tear
gas bomb on the Atlanta headquarters at the NAACP in early 1980s and it
really goes on and on. It`s been quite something.

You know, if it actually turns out to have been an ideological attack on
the NAACP, to me that is nearly the latest manifestation of the kind of
anger that you see in this country directed at black people in general.
There`s a lot of theory out there. It`s been exacerbated I think by
Ferguson, by the black Lives Matter Movement and so on.

SCHULTZ: Well, are we seeing a softer response from lawmakers on these
hate groups and should there be more focus put on this?

POTOK: Well, I`m not sure I would say there`s a softer response, however
every time there`s an incident like the attack today in France, you know,
it very much throws the focus unto Jihadist and Islamic groups and so on.

You know, after 9/11 I think that it`s fair to say that law enforcement to
some extent took their eyes off the domestic terrorist bomb (ph) but that
has seemed less true in recent years. There been so many attacks since
Barrack Obama came to office that I do not think it escape the attention of
law enforcement.

SCHULTZ: OK, Mark Potok of the Southern Property Law Center. Thanks for
you time tonight. I appreciate it.

That`s the Ed Show, I`m Ed Schultz.

PoliticsNation with Reverend Al Sharpton starts right now.

Good evening, Rev.


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