The Ed Show for Friday, March 6th, 2015
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Show: THE ED SHOW
Date: March 6, 2015
Guest: Eric Boehlert, John Fegulsang, Jesus Garcia, Alex Isenstadt, Jim
Warren, Peter Barca, Amory Lovins
ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to the Ed Show
live from New York, let`s get to work.
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Tonight, the way forward for Camp Hillary.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We haven`t seen Hillary Clinton on camera yet talking
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Clinton is slated to speak up at University of Miami
SCHULTZ: As for the economy, it`s cooking. And later.
HARRISON FORD, ACTOR: Get off my plane.
SCHULTZ: Harrison Ford`s real-life drama.
FORD: 53178 engine failure with immediate return.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh no. Oh no. Oh no.
SCHULTZ: Plus, reinventing fire.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We claim to have an advanced industrial economy.
REP. JOHN BOEHNER, (R-OH) HOUSE REPRESENTATIVE: We`re going to continue to
fight for Keystone Pipeline.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yet it is run on primeval swamp goo and dinosaur poop.
SCHULTZ: The energy revolution is now.
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Good to have you with us tonight folks, thanks for watching. We start with
a couple of major stories, first the American economy and then the
controversy surrounding Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, former Secret
of State, I got to get that right.
Look, why isn`t the economy getting more attention? Can we comprehend
Labor department announced today that the economy added 295,000 jobs in
February. Now the unemployment rate is sitting at 5.5 percent. Today
marks the 5th straight year, not month but year of private sector job
growth for the economy. The economy has produced 200,000 jobs a month for
a full year. That`s being on a roll.
Now, every sector in the economy added jobs except mining. Now we`ve got
manufacturing, since 2010 that sector has added roughly 800,000 jobs.
February jobs report show that it is improving momentum in the U.S. labor
market, there`s no doubt about it. Construction, 29,000 jobs,
manufacturing, 8,000 jobs, trade added 62,000 jobs, hospitality added
66,000 jobs, education and health care -- what? Health care, you mean
Obamacare didn`t kill any jobs? 54,000 jobs right there.
The business service sector added 51,000 jobs. Now look, there is a
problem and this is what the Democrats have been focused on and that is
flat wages. The growth rate for the average hourly earnings feel back to
2.2 percent from 2 percent. So -- but isn`t this good news? In other
words, if you go into a car dealer and you want to finance that new rig,
they`re probably going to give you 60 months at probably 5 percent.
Yes, I can handle that, that`s a long time, 60 months? That`s how long the
economy has been adding jobs, I got to talk to the former RNC chair about
this and get some counseling.
Michael Steele who`s economy is this? Good to have you with us tonight.
MICHAEL STEELE, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: It`s good to be with you. Well,
no this is Obama`s economy. And look, the reconciliation to come is going
to be, how do Republicans talk about this economy if this job growth
continues and I don`t see any reason why it shouldn`t.
Now look, there`s still some issues as you know Ed that need to addressed.
You know, you talked about the wage component, there`s still a significant
number of Americans who are unemployed for the last 18 plus months. We
want to see how they get factored back into the economy. But this is good
Now, the one thing I will say, you say how come no one is talking about
this? Well how come the Obama administration hasn`t been talking about
this? Now in recent months...
SCHULTZ: They have a hard time talking about anything as I see it. I mean
this is the shyest administration...
SCHULTZ: ... in the history of this country. They`ve got a lot of good
stories to tell but it`s almost as if they might offend somebody if they
start about, you know, this is where we started, this is where we are. I
guess the point in all of this is what do the Republicans do with these
numbers? I mean, we can say, OK, wages are flat which have to be addressed
no doubt about it.
But, this is something that -- Michael, they haven`t partaken in this.
They haven`t been a part of this.
STEELE: Well I think...
SCHULTZ: Fair comment?
STEELE: I think -- yeah, partly a fair comment, I think there`s also --
went to the extent that they have put the brakes on some of the levels of
spending. You know, we went to the whole battle with shutting down of the
government and all of that. We have sequester that`s been put in place
that helped capped some of that spending, in particularly in the area of
So there are some things that the Republicans can say that they did to help
put the economy on a path where it could get...
STEELE: ... momentum to growth.
SCHULTZ: Well, there`s a lot of positive stuff out there right now and I
would say that it`s going take almost a train wreck to slow this down.
It`s not going to slow down overnight, there are no signs out there that
says this American economy is going go end of the tank anytime soon. But
I`m glad that you`re an honest broker and say this is the Obama economy,
that stimulus package must have worked.
I just want to know, when are the Republicans going to get on the train and
be a part of this whole thing? Stay with us I want to talk more with you
here tonight. Now Michael Steele with us here on the program, stay with
Right now, Hillary Clinton also, the other story dominating the headlines.
She stands by the fact that she hasn`t broken any laws. Now the State
Department is reviewing over 55,000 e-mails from Hillary Clinton. Now,
there could be a problem here. A State Departments source told the
Washington Post that Clinton using personal e-mail did not break the rules,
however, the review could show, could show e-mail from a personal account
included sensitive information that is usually required on a secured
system, so as her personal e-mail and secure system.
So, there`s a lot to unpack here. Now there`s no way to know if Clinton
broke any rules until this review is complete. And this is what makes it a
story. It`s not just, well I didn`t do anything wrong. The State
Department has to cover themselves on this.
Now, regardless of all the stuff that`s going on, the Republicans are in
the attack mode. They immediately came down with that nasty case of
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REP. TREY GOWDY, CHAIRMAN, SELECT CMTE. ON BENGHAZI: Despite some attacks
from those who claim that all of the questions regarding Benghazi have been
asked and answered, the revelation that Secretary Clinton used this
personal e-mail accounts lays that claim bare.
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SCHULTZ: House Republicans have issued subpoenas, Republicans, their 2016
presidential hopefuls, they`re throwing stones out of glass house as I see
Let`s take Scott Walker, what is his political organization doing releasing
a statement on this story? But they did.
"Hillary Clinton`s potential evasion of laws is something she should answer
Now, do we have to do a refresher course here? One big problem for Walker,
the John Doe investigations is still going on. Walker allegedly used his
personal e-mail and laptops to conduct campaign business on government time
while he was the Milwaukee County Executive.
Jeb Bush, he`s jumping into the game. He tweeted out that, "Transparency
matters. Unclassified Hillary Clinton e-mails should be released, you can
see mine." No sales job there.
Clinton Group obviously have pushed back hard on this story. Last night on
this program David Brock had this to say.
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DAVID BROCK, FOUNDER & CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBER OF MEDIA MATTERS FOR
AMERICA: I think people are understanding what this is. I think that they
understand that the Republicans are desperate. They tipped off a
newspaper. They get a false story and then you get this entire media
complex, and you get this explosion of coverage and the truth has a hard
time catching up. And people are still confused to that that there was no
violation of law here, that these e-mails were reserved.
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SCHULTZ: All right, I want you to get your cellphones out. My next three
guests are already working on their iPhones on this one.
Tonight`s question, "Do you care that Hillary Clinton used her personal e-
mail for state department business?" Text A for yes, text B for no to
67622, leave a comment at my blog at msnbc.com, the Ed Show and of course
you can get my podcast at wegoted.com.
Let bring in Eric Boehlert tonight, senior fellow at Media Matters, also
with us tonight Abby Huntsman, co-host of "The Cycle" on MSNBC, and John
Fegulsang who is a Sirius XM radio host, and Michael Steele is still with
us. He`s good enough to stick around.
All right, let`s go back to Michael, is this a problem for Hillary now that
the State Department, they`ve got to answer some questions.
STEELE: Yes they do, everybody`s got to answer some questions and Hillary
has to answer some questions and I think Hillary should start by just
taking that server out of her house and giving it to the State Department.
ABBY HUNTSMAN, "THE CYCLE" HOST: Yeah.
STEELE: The more transparent she can do at this point the better. I don`t
need to have Hillary come out and say anything per say at this point but
actions do matter...
SCHULTZ: No more tweets you mean?
STEELE: ... I think to the extent -- yeah, no more tweets, just do. Give
them everything they need to get this story behind her. The question is,
what did you write and...
STEELE: ... what`s in those e-mails? We need to see it otherwise this
story will live through the summer.
SCHULTZ: Abby Huntsman, make it go away.
HUNTSMAN: Yeah, and speak to the American people about it, forget the
tweets. This is so classic Clinton, and this is the problem here. Is
this, the Clinton world and we all are just living apart of it, right?
That they are above the rules. That`s the problem here, it`s not even
about the e-mails anymore it`s how they handle this controversy...
SCHULTZ: Is it rules or laws?
JOHN FEGULSANG, SIRIUS XM RADIO HOST: It`s rules.
HUNTSMAN: Well, I think in time we`re going to figure that out, but I
think there was law in place in 2009?
SCHULTZ: No, it was after that, it was after her time as -- when this all
FEGULSANG: He is guilty of doing exactly (inaudible)...
HUNTSMAN: But we might...
SCHULTZ: I just don`t think she`s in a position -- I think she`s too
experienced, too savvy and too smart to put sensitive information about the
HUNTSMAN: OK, then why...
SCHULTZ: ... that would jeopardize...
HUNTSMAN: ... would her team, knowing that she was probably going to run
for president, why not back then was her team surrounding her not thinking
more about this, why not think smartly about this knowing this would (ph)
ERIC BOEHLERT, MEDIA MATTERS: She`s seen this show before. We`ve seen
this for 20 years. I mean you talk about classic Clinton. This is classic
Clinton when you look at the press cover. So the Washington Post, this is
what could go wrong, this is what they might find. Well, they might now,
right? The media attention and the explosion is so out of proportion for a
story about an e-mail account.
But the President has sort of gone all in so the Washington Post needs to
sort of keep it going, keep it going. This is what we might find. Is that
news? This is what we might find wrong. I guess when you find something
wrong it`s news.
SCHULTZ: Is it Benghazi fever?
FUGELSANG: The fever to exploit the tragic murders of those four Americans
for cross (ph) political gain will never be cured Ed. And I think it`s
kind of telling that in a week that we find out that David Petraeus
actually gave CIA secrets to his mistress and is avoiding jail time while
Chelsea Manning does 35 years for sharing secret with us that this is the
big story. Of all the grievances that people could have about a Hillary
Clinton candidacy this seems like the sort of thing that people who hate
her will be outrage about, people who love here will say no problem.
And I`m willing to wear a sign that says, will stay (ph) outrage over
Hillary Clinton e-mails if it makes Elizabeth Warren run.
SCHULTZ: Why do we always try to tear people down? I mean, that we think
the negative right away. Abby is this the best thing they got on Hillary
HUNTSMAN: This is a way it`s going to be for the next year and half.
BOEHLERT: And that...
HUNTSMAN: I mean this is just what getting...
SCHULTZ: But that`s what...
HUNTSMAN: This is what we do in the media too Ed. We are responsible for
this too. I mean this is what we all talk about, we feed off of this. But
I`m with you, I don`t really think this is a huge story.
SCHULTZ: But don`t you think...
FUGELSANG: It`s another...
SCHULTZ: ... Republics...
BOEHLERT: It`s either way.
SCHULTZ: Don`t you think Republicans are trying to create a narrative and
tire down Democrats. Oh, you don`t want this Hillary thing. This is the
way it`s going to be for the next -- if she`s gets elected.
HUNTSMAN: This is a good narrative for them because as I said earlier, it
feeds into the narrative that people are so sick of, that they`re above it
all. I think that is something that does resonate with Americans across
the country and they are frustrated about that. And I think they`re going
to use that advantage.
FUGELSANG: If Americans cared about that Dick Cheney would be in Hage (ph)
BOEHLERT: No, and if Americans cared she won`t have 50-point lead and she
won`t be leading every, you know, Republican. You know, the story is
supposed to reinforce how, you know, people don`t trust the Clinton`s and
things like that. She`s been voted. I think the most admired woman in the
America for all of these years. That does in itself end of story...
SCHULTZ: Why do think people care -- Michael Steele, do you think people
care about this, do you think they care -- I can`t wait to see you poll
SCHULTZ: And you better be voting by the way.
STEELE: At the end day. Yeah, no I know I am. And in fact no, I don`t
think they do care. I think that his is a lot to do about nothing...
SCHULTZ: So then why do Republicans care...
STEELE: Well, it does.
SCHULTZ: When people don`t care why do Republicans...
STEELE: Well, I`ll tell you, there are two reasons why. One, and both
have to do with both Clintons and Republicans. Clintons because of, what
Abby said how they handle it. They always handle it the wrong way. They
feed the furnace before instead putting the fire out. And two, Republicans
just ties into Gowdy and Benghazi hearings that they want to conduct. It
completes the narrative and actually round it out for them in terms of what
Clinton`s are all about.
HUNTSMAN: Yeah, I think the Benghazi hurts Republicans in my personal
opinion. I think...
STEELE: I agree.
HUNTSMAN: ... they got a lot of this one (inaudible)...
FUGELSANG: I agree with that.
SCHULTZ: Then why are they doing this subpoena thing. Why are going down
HUNTSMAN: Michael said (inaudible).
SCHULTZ: They (inaudible) Benghazi. What you know.
FUGELSANG: New ideas to help working people Ed? Come on.
BOEHLERT: Look, if you talk about Benghazi this committee is not going to
be spend months probably a years millions...
BOEHLERT: ... investigating something that is absolutely nothing to do
with the attack on Benghazi.
SCHULTZ: So how do you map it up if you`re in the Clinton camp?
FUGELSANG: You can`t. This is now -- and again the biggest sin on her
part is sloppiness. When the biggest grievance the Republicans...
FUGELSANG: ... could have with you is, you didn`t follow Barack Obama`s
rules. It was weak case.
SCHULTZ: Well, why is the White House quiet. I mean isn`t the Presidents
stepping out saying, Hillary everything is fine.
HUNTSMAN: Well, Valerie Jarrett spoke today...
SCHULTZ: Just tells us everything is fine.
HUNTSMAN: ... and that`s only person we really heard from is Valerie
FUGELSANG: Well, but it`s not fine.
SCHULTZ: What about that Michael?
STEELE: I was going to say Ed to the extent that they did step out. They
really kind sounded they throw her under the bus a little bit.
STEELE: When you listen to Josh Earnest the other day say, well these were
the rules we put in place and she didn`t follow them. You know...
STEELE: ... so it`s, you know, again, this administration is not helping
her and she`s not helping herself which is why the story continues to
BOEHLERT: I think this story is going to continue no matter what. Again,
I think she`s handle it well. She has seen this so many times over the
last 20 years. And it`s going to play out and these e-mails are going to
be reviewed and I don`t think in 18 months anyone going to...
SCHULTZ: Well on Twitter. I mean...
FUGELSANG: We`re going to be hearing e-mail gate like we heard filegate
and travelgate for year after year it means nothing...
FUGELSANG: ... its red meant for the bubble.
FUGELSANG: (Inaudible) story.
SCHULTZ: But she was the...
FUGELSANG: That`s the easy meeting (ph).
SCHULTZ: ... the country`s number one diplomat. She had a lot of
responsibility. She went all over the world. You know what kind of
communication had to be in there as secretary of state with everything that
was bubbling up with the Russians and also in the Middle East. There has
to be concern about security.
SCHULTZ: There`s no question about that. So why go on Twitter Hillary?
Come out and do a press conference. Press conference and go out there. I
don`t know, pull at Chris Christie for two hours.
HUNTSMAN: I mean she...
SCHULTZ: That`s why I`m just a little...
FUGELSANG: But the last time she that...
SCHULTZ: You know.
FUGELSANG: ... because Benghazi hearing one line of her, what difference
does it make was taken out of context and they`ve beaten her up with it for
two years it to her advantage to wait.
HUNTSMAN: You know, so she`s got to take control. She got to get...
HUNTSMAN: ... people talking about what her qualifications are to be
president of United of States. This is the challenge, it`s a narrative...
FUGELSANG: I agree.
HUNTSMAN: It`s going to continue to be the fact that she`s above the
rules, blah, blah, blah and people not going to be talking about her...
SCHULTZ: All right.
HUNTSMAN: ... and why she might be president.
BOEHLERT: No one.
SCHULTZ: I have -- she normally enjoyed listening to all of these.
FUGELSANG: I don`t believe you. I`m going to hack your e-mail tonight and
find out what you do (ph).
SCHULTZ: Next time Michael Steele and I would be in the same room
STEELE: That`s right.
SCHULTZ: All right, great to have you with us tonight Eric Boehlert, Abby
Huntsman, John Fegulsang and Michael Steele here on the Ed Show.
Remember to answer that question there at the bottom of the screen. Share
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Coming up. The investigation into Harrison Ford`s crash landing, Lester
Holt joins me in studio.
Plus, another crack in the bedrock of unions. Scott Walker gets his way
again. It`s all coming up in this fight again workers. Stay with us.
SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. The NTSB is looking into what
caused actor Harrison Ford`s vintage plane to crash land. Investigators
were on the scene this afternoon, near the Santa Monica California Airport.
Ford`s World War II airplane went down at the Penmar Golf Course Thursday
Afternoon. Ford communicated with the tower just after take off from the
Santa Monica Airport.
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FORD: 53178 engine failure with immediate return.
AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL: Ryan 178, runway 21 clear to land.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s kind of just went right below the tree line and
then you can see him a couple second later, it`s a like a crash like
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SCHULTZ: After communication Ford attempted to return to airport,
witnesses on the ground helped Ford out of the plane. All emergency crews
arrive after the crash. The 72-year-old underwent surgery Thursday night.
The UCLA Medical Center says he suffered a broken pelvis and ankle. He
suffered cuts on his arms and face after hitting his head on the plane`s
console upon impact. His expected to make a full recovery.
Honored tonight, we have with us NBC News Anchor and Correspondent Lester
Holt who has covered a lot of these. What do you make of this? How did he
LESTER HOLT, NBC CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know, he responded I think the
way pilots are trained. Though I`m not a pilot I grew up on the flying
family and I`ve spend a lot of time in small planes. And everyone tells me
how one of the first lessons of flying is, what if your engine quits in a
single-engine plane? And stories of instructors pulling the throttle back
and telling the student, OK, you just lost an engine, what are you going to
do now? And so they teach them to look for golf courses, you know,
football fields, open spaces where you can get the airplane down.
Airplanes glide. There are no in computations of the angle of attack and
you would do it but there`s a certain amount of distance you can go,
assuming you have enough altitude to find a suitable place. Now, when you
start having to maneuver, you know, you`re going to lose some altitude and
it becomes a little more dicey. But it sounds based on what we`re seeing
there that he clearly saw the golf course and thought that`s a suitable
place he got the plane down.
SCHULTZ: People might be wondering, gosh he was flying a 1942 airplane,
that`s awful old, but it`s very common isn`t it?
HOLT: Vintage planes are popular in this country. Many years ago I used
to often go to Oshkosh, they have a big air show there every summer and
people bring in a lot of the vintage airplanes. They raise vintage
airplanes out at Reno, Nevada, at the air races every year. They`re very
popular. Like anything else, you take care of it, you maintain it, they
have to be certified, you know, to fly by the FAA.
You might think that`s an older plane but training planes typically are a
little more forgiving than, you know, more high-performance one.
SCHULTZ: And this was a training plane. That`s what it was built for.
HOLT: It was built for that. So I don`t know if it would glide like a
Cessna (ph) for example, but I saw this and remind me when I used to work
in local news in Los Angeles. I remember covering a guy. I want to say
it`s an air traffic, a radio traffic report, I`m not sure. But he lost an
engine, single-engine and he put it down in a parking lot of Los Angeles
City College. And I remember that was remarkable.
Years later I`m on a work trip, chartered a plane, the pilot pulls in my
side, hey we`ve met before. I said when? He was, remember that plane
you`ve covered Los Angeles, the parking lot? That was me. And I said you
know what? Good job.
SCHULTZ: If you can walk away from it or if you can be carried away from
it in this you`re a lucky guy and that`s the mission. You can always
repair the airplane. If you`re going to lose an engine it`s going to be on
take off. I find this really interesting and he knew exactly what to do.
First thing he did was communicate, look for the airport, and of course he
wasn`t going to be able to make it.
HOLT: Not a lot of spots. I mean, I`m very familiar. I spent a lot of
time in Santa Monica just a couple of miles from where that -- or even less
where that happened. I mean it`s a very densely populated area. But in
Southern California there are -- our golf course is nearby. And we`ve see
it -- how many times have we seen planes landing on freeways? It`s not by
happen chance. That`s a pilot who and said, I`m in trouble. I need a
straight, you know, place to put this down. There`s a gap on the cars.
I`m going to go for it.
From everything we`ve heard he is an accomplished pilot and has certainly
been well-briefed in thought on emergency procedures.
SCHULTZ: So, they can only place 17 holes of that golf course instead of
18 for a while.
HOLT: But they got a story to tell.
SCHULTZ: Not a big deal. He just did some rearranging. Look, he is
lucky. Any pilot that walks away from it there is an element of luck but
all pilots are trained to be able to handle engine failure. You`re
constantly asking yourself, OK, what do I do if the engine...
HOLT: After take off, remember, you don`t have a lot of altitude.
SCHULTZ: That`s right.
HOLT: You know, it`s one thing to lose it when you`re flying along at
5,000 feet, when you`re climbing out...
SCHULTZ: And that`s a very profound point because he did exactly what he
had to do, is communicate and then take the action he did. Lester, great
to have you with us tonight.
HOLT: How many times did I have to walk by before you finally invited me
HOLT: And that`s the way it is.
SCHULTZ: OK and see you tomorrow night. Coming up, Rahm Emanuel runner
(ph) moves into single digit in Chicago. Plus, Scott Walker gets another
notch in this union busting bill.
Stay with us, we`ll be right back on the Ed Show.
SCHULTZ: And we are back. Senator Robert Menendez of New Jersey may face
corruption charges from the Justice Department. He will address the media
tonight at 7:00 P.M. Today a grand jury document was mistakenly posted to
the court website. Menendez is under investigation for allegedly trading
favors with a Florida eye doctor. Both the Senator and the doctor deny any
wrongdoing. The federal grand jury in New Jersey is still hearing
Apple will join the Dow Jones Industrial Average. AT&T will drop out of
the 30 stock group to make way for the tech company. Apple`s market camp
has reached $736 billion in recent months. The company will join the Dow
Jones in mid-March in response to a planned split in this stock.
For the first time, a spacecraft has successfully achieved orbit around a
dwarf planet. NASA is not monitoring the mini planet Ceres. Ceres was
discovered over 200 years ago but remained unexplored. The spacecraft Dawn
launched seven and a half years ago and will now spend the next 16 months
in orbit around Ceres to collect data and photographs.
There`s more coming up on the Ed Show. Stay with us. We`ll be right back.
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Stocks slide on fears of rising rates. The Dow plummets 278 points closing
below the 18,000 level. The S&P drops 29 and the NASDAQ slips 55.
And you heard early, the unemployment rate fell to 5.5 last month. A level
economist and some fed officials associate with full employment raising the
stocks over rate hike.
Meanwhile in incorporate news, office retailer Staples posting its eight
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MAYOR RAHM EMANUEL, (D) CHICAGO: They say your greatest strength is also
your greatest weakness. I`m living proof of that. I can rub people the
wrong way, or talk when I should listen. I own that. But I`m driven to
make a difference.
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SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel clearly
desperate to keep his job. Emanuel has a reputation for having short fuse.
He is obviously well aware of that. It didn`t stop him from allegedly
screaming at a mental health care advocate saying in a closed door meeting
on Wednesday his office denies it. But it`s these kinds of stories that
have given Chuy Garcia, his opponent all kinds of confidence. He`s banking
that that hot temper reputation is going to work in his favor.
The latest polling shows that Emanuel has a narrow 43 to 39 lead over
Garcia and we`re one month out of the Chicago Mayor`s race sends within
single digits and Emanuel is really the first mayor of Chicago in the
city`s history to be forced in to runoff.
In February, Emanuel failed to gather 50 percent of the votes. So on April
7th, Emanuel will face Garcia, the Cook County Commissioner who came in
second place with 34 percent of the vote. It was supposed to be slam dunk
for Emanuel. He has a massive campaign war chest. He`s outraced all the
other opponents combined and of course he has the endorsement of President
The latest numbers prove money can`t erase Emanuel`s record on school
closings or his hostile relationship with organized labor or his reputation
for being Mayor Mr. 1 percent. And of course we have invited the Mayor of
Chicago on this program and he has declined.
For more, let`s turn to Chuy Garcia who is the candidate running against
Rahm Emanuel. I don`t want to overplay this temper. I don`t want to
overplay the short fuse but I keep hearing it. I want you to comment on
that. Is that a factor in this race, are people tired of this or is it
just media talk?
JESUS "CHUY" GARCIA, CHICAGO MAYORAL CANDIDATE: No, people in Chicago are
tired of it. They want someone who is going to be engaging, someone who
will be patient, someone who will be strong but compassionate and that`s
why we forced them in to a runoff on February 24th. That`s why we`re in a
dead heat in spite of the fact that we were outspent 12 to 1. It`s a new
day in Chicago.
SCHULTZ: So it seemed not compassionate Mr. Garcia? Is Rahm Emanuel not a
heartfelt guy at all?
GARCIA: No, the school closings are one indication of it. The latest
tirade is another indication of it. So, you run ads showing you in a nice
fluffy sweater in your kitchen saying that, you know, you also have a good
side (ph) to you. But then when mental health advocates, you know, inquire
about why you did it and whether you`ll commit to reopen those mental
health clinics you come out of bag and you show them who real Ralm is. And
the real Ralm is the guy with a tirade.
SCHULTZ: What do you think of that commercial? It`s almost like he`s
GARCIA: It`s a little bit too late. People have gotten a chance see him,
to experience him and to see Chicago work for a select few. People in the
neighborhood want change. That`s why we force them into a runoff. And
there was another very important message sent by voters and that is, 19
members of the Chicago City Council are in runoff elections. So, strong
message was send, people want change in Chicago. And Chicago I think is at
a turning point in terms of its politics.
SCHULTZ: All right. I want to turn now to Alex Isenstadt who is a
reporter from Politico and also with us tonight Jim Warren who is a
reporter for the New York Daily News.
Jim, what`s the talk on the ground there in Chicago? Is this going to be
JIM WARREN, NEW YORK DAILY NEWS: Well, just to put things in context if
you went on the street right now, you probably have more people talking
about the Bears ditching their star wide receiver Brandon Marshall to the
Jets on a trade. I think its part in parcel of a sort of passivity when it
comes to this race. That does not necessarily bode well from Rahm Emanuel,
it (ph) had pretty low turnout about 33 percent in the election and he`s
going to need I think a dramatically increase of vote total.
But that said, you know, there something folks going to be waiting for from
Mr. Garcia and that`s going to include the answers to the question where
the heck you`re going to come up with the real revenue to deal with, among
other things $1.2 billion...
WARREN: ... in pension payments for unionize firefighters, police and
teachers and up to now Mr. Garcia`s been saying that he`s studying the
issue and he will, you know, met his own time...
SCHULTZ: What is Ralm say?
WARREN: ... as far as giving us the answer. Well, Ralm is a guy who`s
already raised taxes. I can tell you as taxpayer in the city with one kid
in Chicago public school, he jacked up taxes already. He`s dodging that a
little bit more. But he`s proving that he`s willing to make the tough upon
appealing decision attempting to jack up revenue.
But right now I think conventional wisdom would be that not anybody who
equivocally says they know what`s going to happen...
WARREN: ... on April 7th is arrogant or a moron.
SCHUTZ: Too close to call it.
WARREN: Key matters of where votes are going to come out and what wards
where --which have very, very low turnouts, are they going to be Latino,
are they going to be African-America, or they going to be on the heavily
white north side?
SCHULTZ: Alex, you write about this in your most resent article. You
talked about the progressive groups lining up to help Garcia. Is there
enough money out there to bring him over the top? How do you see it?
ALEX ISENSTADT, POLITICO REPORTER: Well, this has been the real question
here. You have progressive and liberal across the country who`d love to
complain about a Ralm Emanuel for years now. But they haven`t really
invested real money to take him out. Now the question is, with five weeks
left before the runoff is not going to change? You`ve seen some labor
groups this week, said they`re going to give several $100,000 to Chuy
Garcia. He`s going to need more than that.
Ralm Emanuel has got some deep pocket backers across the country. He`s
going to have the potential for President Obama to step in and fundraise
for him or to come into the city and campaign for him. So he`s going to
need all the help that he get. But, you know, you`re seeing some signs
with new poll numbers for Chuy Garcia that maybe he`s getting some
momentum. And that could encourage some progressive to open up their
checkbooks for him.
SCHULTZ: Jim Warren, what about these 50 schools that where closed. Where
are those neighborhoods going to go? Wouldn`t that put Chuy Garcia over
the top or should I say create a problem for the mayor?
WARREN: Boy Ed, it`s absolutely fascinating complicated matter, you know,
in a poor African-American neighborhoods there`s a looming questions of
whom a particular gentleman a multimillionaire or businessman named Willie
Wilson who got 10 percent of the vote last month. Is he going to come out
after initially saying he would back Garcia and do a 180 and suggest that
10 percent go vote for Ralm Emanuel. Remember Emanuel got a huge African-
American vote seen as sort of, you know...
WARREN: ... with the guy tied to Barack Obama the last time. A lot of
those neighborhoods where those schools are closed tradition --
particularly in Latino neighborhoods have anemic voter turnout.
WARREN: So it`s going to be interesting to see if Garcia can galvanize
them to show up at polls more than they traditionally do.
SCHULTZ: Can you do that Mr. Garcia. Can you do that and can you get
Wilson behind you?
GARCIA: We`re going to do that and more. We`re going to roll out a series
of important endorsement over the coming days. We`re going to raise the
money necessarily to be on television and radio, social media. We`ve
picked up lots of steam. Without having to spend $0.1 we`ve made this a
dead heat in the last week and half in Chicago, we`re going to win on April
7th, the city is at financial free fall due to Ralm Emanuel`s mismanagement
for stewardship of the Chicago finances and there will be change in
SCHULTZ: Alex, how big a defeat would this be if Ralm Emanuel didn`t get
ISENSTADT: It`ll be pretty stunning. Ralm Emanuel is one the most
celebrated political tacticians of his era. You know, he`s a celebrated
figure not just in Chicago but also in Washington. A really big figure and
if Chuy Garcia we`re to win this race it would send some shock waves across
the country I think.
SCHULTZ: Gentlemen great to have you with us tonight on the program. I
appreciate it so much. We`ll do it again and we`ll keep an eye on this
race, no doubt.
Coming up, kicking the fossil fuel habit. We`ll introduce you to one of
the leading minds in alternative energy. Stay with us.
SCHULTZ: When the banner should read mission accomplished, workers in
Wisconsin are taking another hit. Scott Walker will sign legislation on
Monday that makes Wisconsin a right-to-work state. And the Badger state
will become the 25th state with anti-worker laws.
Now the state assembly passed right-to-work legislation 62-35 on a straight
party line vote, lawmakers debated for 19 straight hours.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If they don`t like the union they can vote by majority
to decertify the union and not be a union. But Mr. Speaker remembers, at
the end of the day unions are about the middle class.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Forced union states lost 2.1 million jobs. That`s over
a decade, that`s convincing.
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SCHULTZ: Walkers previously said the bill wasn`t a priority. He promised
to sign into law once Republicans fast-tracked it though. And of course
the legislator ramp through the bill which contains language nearly
identical to ALEC`s model legislation. Right-to-work weakens union
resources for collective bargaining and workers will have no obligation to
pay union dues and of course this put Wisconsin workers safety wages and
benefits at stake. That is the argument.
Joining me tonight Wisconsin State representative Peter Barca. Mr. Barca
good to have you with us tonight. This has been a long mission put forward
by the Republicans for years and it`s what Walker has wanted. Is this what
the residents of Wisconsin want? Putting all politics aside and just the
heartbeat of the state, is this what the state resident want?
STATE REP. PETER BARCA, (D) WISCONSIN: Well Ed, at the hearing that we had
in the Senate and assembly labor committee, 1,800 people showed up and
testified and registered against the bill, only 25 in favor of the bill. I
think people know it`s going to lower wages. It`s going to increase
injuries. And it`s going to take away valuable training in a time that we
need skilled workers.
But, we`re astonished Ed, because the governor, when he was on a dead heat
virtually for reelection on September 2nd. He told the Milwaukee Journal
Sentinel, I`m not pushing it, I`m not supporting right-to-work in this
session, he clearly deceived people. So I think people in the states are
in the state of shock.
SCHULTZ: And so, when you look at this there was not one Republican that
voted against it. They got their fraternity in line didn`t they?
BARCA: Well, they have. Now Senator Petrowski in the Senate, we did have
one Republican who is very courageous in opposing it. And, you know, the
other thing that`s interesting Ed is that, this isn`t just knock against
the middle class and workers. We had 440 small businesses and contractors
band together and form a coalition to oppose this bill. So, this is a
knock on small business and on workers. There`s no question it`s going to
hurt our state desperately.
SCHULTZ: How much about Walker`s national profile and platform plays into
BARCA: Oh I think it`s enormous. You know, it`s pretty difficult when you
promised to people you`re not going to bring it up. He said he knew we`d
be polarizing once again. He said that while he went after public sector
worker. He realized private sector workers were his allies that create
250,000 jobs. Of course unfortunately Ed we`re 35th in the nation in jobs,
dead last in the Midwest. His agenda is now working of course trickled
down economics rarely does. And I was proud that we had 440 businesses...
BARCA: ... stand with the workers oppose of this. And all Democrats were
solidly opposed to it. We want to stand with the middle class and small
BARCA: ... (inaudible) job...
SCHULTZ: You have to get the governor chair back and you have to get
majorities and the assembly in the Senate to reverse this. I mean, right
now you`re powerless to do anything about it, correct?
BARCA: Well, of course it`s very difficult that Republican put forward a
very partisan, extreme redistricting proposed hall (ph) that gerrymanders
these district are incredibly. On 2010 and 2012 election, right after
redistricting, assemble Democrats got 175,000 more votes than assembly
Republicans but of course they had big majority...
BARCA: ... because of the way they drew the districts. So, we have our
hands full, make no mistake of it. But I think people are going to catch
on. Professor Chowdhury Economic Professor at Marquette University said
this could take up to $3.8 billion out of the economy. An economy that is
dead last in the Midwest, the governor`s programs are not working so it`s
surprising that he`s doing so well in Republican polls.
SCHULTZ: Well, he`s gone after public education, he`s gone after unions
now he`s got the state right-to-work, he`s given corporate tax brakes. I
mean he`s perfect for their national agenda. He didn`t care about
Wisconsin but that just my take. Wisconsin state representative Peter
Barca, good to have you with us tonight, I appreciate your time.
Stick around a lot more coming up on the Ed Show. Right after this.
SCHULTZ: And finally tonight, we continue the MSNBC series "7 Days of
Genius" with one of the leading minds in the alternative energy revolution.
Tonight we meet the architect of a groundbreaking plan to get the United
States completely off oil and coal sooner than ever imagined.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The earth has warmed by about 1.5 degrees Fahrenheit.
Well over half of that warming has happened in the last 50 years.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In America our aging, dirty and insecure power system
has to be replaced anyway by 2050.
SCHULTZ: Innovator Amory Lovins has a plan which could get America off
dirty energy in the next 35 years.
GINA MCCARTHY, EPA ADMINISTRATOR: Unleash market forces that will drive
even deeper reductions through innovation and investment.
AMORY LOVINS, PHYSICIST AND ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENTIST: Not just technology
and policy but also design and business strategy.
SCHULTZ: Although Congressional gridlock is holding the United States back
from more new clean advances.
PAUL GIGOT, CONSERVATIVE POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Is it fair to say that the
administration`s political goal here, economic goal is to eliminate coal
power from the U.S. economy?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Absolutely.
FRM. GOV. SARAH PALIN, (R) ALASKA: We will drill here and drill now and
now is when you chant drill, baby, drill.
SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL, (R-KY) MAJORITY LEADER: The reason we`ve been
calling this a "War on Coal" is that`s exactly what it is.
MCCARTHY: For the sake of our families` health and for our kids` future we
have a moral obligation to act on climate.
SCHULTZ: Last year, 36 percent of all new electric capacity came from
solar. Wind energy generated 4.4 percent. And corporations are taking
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The companies will build $850 million solar energy
farm in California.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And George Washington University and American
University to buy more than half of their power from three solar power
LOVINS: Already in about 20 states private installers will come and put
those cheap solar cells on your roof.
SCHULTZ: Experts predict the cost of solar power will drop 40 percent over
the next three to four years.
LOVINS: With no money down and beats your utility bill.
SCHULTZ: We have to decide as a country that we want to be cleaned. It
can be done.
OBAMA: Let`s set our sights higher than a single oil pipeline.
SCHULTZ: Lovins also agrees building new oil pipelines like the Keystone
XL is not a solution to energy independence.
HILLARY CLINTON, FRM. U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: Our economy still run
primarily on fossil fuels and trying to change that will require strong
leadership and intense cooperation.
BOEHNER: Let`s build a keystone pipelines.
CLINTON: We do not have to choose between a healthy environment and a
LOVINS: And the long transition is already well under way.
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SCHULTZ: Amory Lovins joins us tonight. He is the chief scientist and
cofounder of the Rocky Mountain Institute.
Mr. Lovins, tell me about design, when you said in that sound bite we can
do it with design. What do you mean by that? And good to have you with us
LOVINS: Thanks for having me. Well, design is about how you put
technologies together to achieve your purpose. So, I look for example in
the house up in Rocky where it used to go to minus 47 F on occasion. We
are now harvesting our 58 banana crop with no furnace and it was a little
cheaper to build that way because we built in so much insulation and super
windows and other efficiency that they got rid of the heating system saving
enough capital cost to pay for the efficiency with a little money and left
There is now over 30,000 houses in Europe that can do that. You can do the
same kind of thing in big buildings. In fact our new office going up
nearby will be about twice as efficient as the most efficient new office in
the country was four years ago and still have a business case and not need
any central heating or cooling equipment. And we can do this...
SCHULTZ: So how do we accelerate this? How do we -- is it just public
knowledge. Is it investment? What is it?
LOVINS: Well, all of the above. We need more people to realize this is
possible not just in buildings that use three quarters of our electricity
but in vehicle design and at in industry. And then, once the designers
have the skill and the customers know they can do it, we need to clear away
some obstacles like the way in most states we reward utilities for selling
in more energy and penalizing for cutting your bills so we get the opposite
on what we want. The way we pay architects and engineers for what they
spend rather than what they save.
So, there are a lot of barriers we need to bust, probably 60 or 80 of them
that can be done in the private sector or in the state level or in the
federal level. There`s a lot of different ways to get things done and our
rich federal structure.
SCHULTZ: You have got a long-term plan and -- so, give us a snapshot of
what you think our country is going to look like when it comes to
alternative energy in five years, 10 years.
LOVINS: Well, already in much of the country and within 5 or 10 years and
essentially all of the country solar and wind will beat your utility bill.
And -- so with huge changes coming at the utility industry basically 21st
century technology and speeder colliding head on with 20th of 19th century
institutions rules and cultures.
There`s a similar revolution happening in transportation. We`re moving
from what we call pig to seals (ph) that is from personal, internal
combustion gasoline still dominated, you know, heavy vehicles to sharable
electric autonomous lightweight service vehicles. That will
revolutionalize how we get around and new ways of designing our communities
mean we won`t need to get around so much to get access to where we want to
be because we`re already pretty much be there.
And this of course will increase profits for developers and a reduced tax
cost for infrastructure. Now, in industries, the same thing, we`re ringing
a lot of wastes out of the system and we recently for example...
SCHULTZ: To the futures` rate (ph). We got to run here. Mr. Lovins, this
is fascinating. I love the subject. It`s what we got to be doing as a
country and as a globe.
I appreciate your time tonight. We`ll visit again. Thank you and for more
information on the "7 Days of Genius" series log on to msnbc.com/genius.
You can get my podcast on iTunes, in wegoted.com, rawstory.com,
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