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Date: March 13, 2015
Guest: Lanny Davis, Bob Shrum, Caroline Heldman, Joe Cirincione, Laicie
Heeley, Zerlina Maxwell, Bernard Sanders

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to the Ed Show
live from Detroit Lakes, Minnesota.

Let`s get to work.


SCHULTZ: Tonight, a new chapter in the Clinton Dynasty.


SCHULTZ: And later, blaming the President for the Ferguson Police

RUDY GIULIANI, FRM. NEW YORK CITY MAYOR: There`s an atmosphere of
unbalance here.

SCHULTZ: Plus...

PRES. BARACK OBAMA, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: For them to address a letter
to the ayatollah.

SCHULTZ: Kitty the fool (ph)...

OBAMA: I`m embarrassed for them.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You are entitled to nothing.

SCHULTZ: Saving Social Security.

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS, (D) VERMONT: The one thing I do know damn well is
that, you don`t cut those benefits. You expand those benefits.


SCHULTZ: Good to have you with use tonight, folks. Thanks for watching.

Lots to get to America could careless. That`s the analysis right now about
the Hillary Clinton using her personal e-mail account.

The Gallup Poll shows that 50 percent of Americans have a favorable opinion
of the former Senator, the former First Lady and the former Secretary of

Republican candidates can even get close after all of this controversy and
attention this week. Jeb Bush, he`s in 35 percent, Chris Christie at 31
percent, Mike Huckabee at 30 percent.

Republicans -- the bottom line is, they get a lot work to do if they want a
shot at the White House. And they are trying to catch up by manufacturing
bogus news.

The private server frenzy is nothing but an attempt to drag down Clinton`s
poll numbers.


REP. TREY GOWDY, (R) SOUTH CAROLINA: I`m not sure how setting up your own
private servers more convenient than just having an intern, add an e-mail
account to your smart phone.

SEN. RAND PAUL, (R) KENTUCKY: I think that the fact that she didn`t obey
the rules on putting our e-mail on a government server and now she says
there wasn`t classified information, I`m not sure that can be trusteed
since we can`t trust her to do the right thing the first time.


SCHULTZ: I`ll tell you what Senator Rand Paul, you just thought to go
right all over the CIA and be an investigator. That`s pretty heavy.

Jeb Bush is been very critical of Hillary Clinton over this e-mail
controversy. People in glass houses shouldn`t throw stones. He called the
use of a private e-mail "Baffling" and said it posed security risk, how
does he know? It turns out that Jeb Bush is a hypocrite.

And new report from the Wall Street Journal says that Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio
and Scott Walker -- Oh, holy smokes -- they all use private accounts.

Bush`s private e-mail while he was Governor from 1999 to 2007 in Florida.
In December, Bush released hundreds of thousands of e-mails from his time
as Governor but the Bush`s spokesperson said e-mail from his private
accounts are -- they were just unrelated to government business. They
weren`t turned over to the state for any kind of preservation at all. So,
Jeb Bush, what did he do? Well, he did exactly the same thing Hillary
Clinton did.

Another reason Republicans are going after the Clinton`s is money.

A new report shows that Bill Clinton, he knows to rake it in. He received
$16 million through the former President`s Act. Well, he travels all over
the world, its more money that any other president. It`s called security.
Look at all the good that he`s done.

Republicans know that Clintons are a political machine. They are well-
funded, organized and they`re already polling (ph) well and nobody is even

We could see an official announcement from Hillary Clinton very soon.

Campaign donors are reportedly urging Hillary to announce so that she can
better address the e-mail controversy. At this point, Clinton`s team is
still reportedly planing for an early April launched dates.

What does this prove? Where there`s smoke there`s fire. There might be
smoke but there`s no blaze around this story. And I think Democrats across
America saying, "Is this going to be what it`s like?" Bring it on.

This is been a big loser week for the Republicans. They are losing on the
Iran letter and they are losing on attacking Hillary Clinton when their own
very candidates have done the same thing.

Gets you cellphones out, I want to know what you think.

Tonight`s question, "Are Republicans hypocrites for blasting Hillary
Clinton?" Text A for Yes, text B for No to 67622, leave a comment at my
blog at and you get my video podcast as well.

For more, let me bring in an old, old friend, not an age only in time
knowing this man.

All right. Lanny, you can get that smile off your face because this is
really going to be tough. You`re on with Big Eddy again.


SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us.

DAVIS: Well, it`s great...

SCHULTZ: You bet.

DAVIS: ... when we are on the same side, Ed. You`re tough when you`re on
the other side.

SCHULTZ: Well, I was an Obama guy, you are a Clinton backer at that time,
we had our friendly scraps but you know what? It`s still early on in all
of this.

But I think that Democrats -- yes. I think Democrats are wondering right
now, is this what a Hillary campaign is going to be like? Is it going to
be constantly turning off (ph) these attacks? Your thoughts on that.

DAVIS: Yes, because the media wants a fight. Not bashing the media, they
do it to Republicans and Democrats equally, the compounded press (ph) in
Washington from all the Sunday shows, compounded (ph) on all the cable
shows including this great cable network, all do the same thing, Hillary is
in trouble. She is not handling it well. This is terrible thing and they
have short memories.

Let me just remind you that for three years and $70 million, thousand
column inches in the New York Times, the Washington Post and L.A. Times,
three great newspapers about something called "white water". And where did
it end up? Zero.

Ken Starr (ph) successor said and it`s almost a direct quote, "There is no
wrong doing here".

The American people know that the only thing Republicans can do is
investigate, make accusations. The press runs with it. It becomes, "The
latest Clinton scandal" which is absolutely zero all smoke. And that`s
where we are...


DAVIS: ... and that`s why Hillary Clinton still as popular.

SCHULTZ: Well, the Republican Party back in the era that she were just
talking about, is a lot different from the one today. I just don`t see in
any stretch of the imagination of Trey Gowdy coming out someday and saying
the same kind of things that can Ken Starr (ph) said, "There is no there
there, there`s nothing here."

I mean, I don`t think that he would ever exonerate Hillary Clinton. I
mean, this is a mission to destroy. So how does this affect the campaign
as you see it? The announcement, the campaign, the run, how does Hillary
get her message across if this is the kind of stuff she`s always going to
have to be dealing with?

DAVIS: Well, first of all, she is great on issues. She is a progressive
Democrat and she knows international affairs better than any of the
Republicans all put together. And with the danger of ISIS, and with the
danger of Iran, and with this economy needing a middle-class program, with
big banks needing regulation, and consumers needing protection, Hillary
Clinton stays on the facts on the issues, and all of the onslaught coming
in is viewed by most Americans as just about politics and ends up helping

SCHULTZ: So does she end up getting the far left? Does she end up getting
those who are more liberal than she is? She`s been accused of being a
corporate Democrat...

DAVIS: Yeah.

SCHULTZ: ... kind of Wall Streeter (ph)...

DAVIS: Yeah.

SCHULTZ: ... but yet, would she get all liberal on board because you
certainly can`t vote for the other guys the way they have gone after --
their track record for the last 15 years is pretty brutal on all fronts,
from wars, to taxes, to the economy, to cutting programs, the whole thing.
So can Hillary galvanize the entire base?

DAVIS: So on issues, there is a single issue I can think off where she
doesn`t agree with base voters on. I don`t know what they`re talking about
when they use labels. She is populous in a label but on issues, she
specifically votes in a way that progressive was want her to.

So the labeling, I don`t understand. I do know this, stylistically she
will be a strong general election candidate because moderate Republicans
like the fact that she has reached across the isle as a U.S. Senator and
can work with Republicans who attack (ph) Kennedy, was able to work...


DAVIS: ... with Orrin Hatch. So that`s the combination. You get a
progressive Democrat who can work with the other side.

SCHULTZ: All right. Lanny, your former White House Counsel, is there
anything that has unfolded this week, in dealing with this e-mail
controversy that you as an attorney would be concern about for Hillary
Clinton? Is there anything there at all that -- would raise your ire to
something that could -- there could be some problem?

DAVIS: I`ve look at it closely and my answer is no, there isn`t. But
don`t believe, I`m an old friend and I`m going to be seeing as a partisan.
Believe the attorney quoted in the New York Times story, Mr. Jason Baron
who was the top attorney in the archives administration, who said on CNN,
not quoted in the Times, they wouldn`t quote this quote. "She did nothing
illegal, she didn`t violate the 2009 rules, she didn`t violate any rules,
and she didn`t violate any laws." That`s what he said. The New York Times
hasn`t published that quote but it was on a rival network and no Republican
can undermine. The law is the law.

SCHULTZ: All right. Lanny Davis, good to have with us tonight, we`ll have
you back,

DAVIS: Nice to be back, Ed.

SCHULTZ: See you again.

DAVIS: Thank you very much.

SCHULTZ: You bet.

Let me bring in Michael Steele, former RNC Chair and MSNBC Political
Analyst, Bob Shrum with us tonight, Democratic Strategies and Warsaw
Professor of Politics at USC and Professor Caroline Heldman who is a
Professor of Politics at Occidental College.

All right. Now, Michael, this e-mail account that Jeb Bush is got going...


SCHULTZ: ... you know, its sounds like the exact same thing Hillary was
doing, what`s the big issue here?

STEELE: Well, it maybe on paper in terms of the way it was setup, I don`t
know if he had a private server or anything like that. I mean, that
acknowledge using a private e-mail account.

But, you know, I guess, Ed, I look at a little bit different. I don`t
equate the private e-mails of a Governor of Florida with what we`re talking
about here with the former Secretary of State, dealing with some of the big
and hot issues that she was dealing with that time.

I think that she is unwillingly created a mess for herself. This could be
very easily handled by saying, here take the server, pull off the
government related documents, the private stuff I do not want release
publicly, could have put the appropriate monitors in place to make sure
that it didn`t happen, people from her world or from the government world.
But I just think this has become a lot of noise that feed the narrative
about the Clinton`s as a whole and Hillary specifically of that is going to
darker right into her announcement, post announcement and throughout the

Yeah. Republicans, they`re going to make...

SCHULTZ: All right.

STEELE: ... a lot of noise with it, they`re going to have a lot of fun
with it. But some of this stuff she can cut off herself and she`s not
doing that.

SCHULTZ: Bob Shrum, what`s the counter to that?

BOB SHRUM, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Well, I think they`re going to have a
lot of fun with it and they`re going to have a lot of losing with it.

Look, they`ve been doing this for 20 years. They`ve been going after the
Clinton`s and it hasn`t worked out very well. But if you look those Gallup
Poll numbers and you look at how she`s doing against all these Republicans.
It`s tough for them to bet her on issue. They have a real demographic
dilemma, so they`re going to prosecute for the next 20 months a campaign of
relentless personal destruction.

Maybe it doesn`t work but it`s about all they have right now. It`s also
compounded by the press, and Lanny is right about this.

It`s not that the press has a personal animus, it`s they have an aversion
to competition for the Democratic primaries. So they`re going to provide
the competition, the press was going to be Hillary`s principal opponent in
all of these.

But when you get to the bottom line, let me tell you. I believe voters
care a lot more about their jobs, their health care, their kid`s education,
than Hillary Clinton`s e-mails.

SCHULTZ: Caroline, how does she handle it after the announcement? Some of
her aides are saying that if she announces earlier than expected, it`ll
give her a better platform to address all of these. What do you think?

CAROLINE HELDMAN, OCCIDENTAL COLLEGE: Well, I think she has to address the
perception as she did this week. And I would disagree with Michael, I
think she actually did a great job explaining that she did nothing wrong.
And I do see a difference between Jeb Bush being an executive at the state
level and Hillary Clinton being on the State Department.

That the fact to the matter is neither of them did anything wrong, neither
of them broke the law nor did they even break norms. And so, yes, she has
to deal with the appearance.

But the fact is only 17 percent of Americans are following this closely,
the story closely. And it has zero effect on her feasibility rating, so
again, a lot of smoke no fire on this instance.

STEELE: Ed I could just -- just to be clear.


STEELE: I didn`t say that she didn`t do a good job this week and I thought
she did a great job. She stood in the gallery and she took the incoming.

All I said was, she help perpetuate the noise by not addressing what the
media obviously needed to have address in their questions. And by creating
this political environment in which she is going to have to deal with this,
leading up to and including -- and post her announcement. So yes, she did
a great press conference.

HELDMAN: She didn`t create this political environment.

STEELE: But -- oh, she did, absolutely. She absolutely...

SCHULTZ: So, Michael...

SHRUM: She did not create the environment. She`s not going to spend a lot
of time dealing with this.

STEELE: Oh, she is.

SHRUM: She`s going to have to deal with Benghazi Committee and the
Benghazi conspiracy freaks because they`re going to try to ripple through
her personal e-mail.

STEELE: Let`s go back in...

SHRUM: But the truth to the matter is, voters are not going to vote on
this. You guys tried this with Bill Clinton.

STEELE: That maybe...

SHRUM: It didn`t work and it`s not going to work with here.

STEELE: That maybe. But all I`m saying is, this is something that she can
get off of her plate to create blue skies ahead of her announcement for the
presidency and then, that the ensuing few weeks thereafter. This is going
to be the story line. Trust me.

SCHULTZ: Well, Caroline, how do we know that this isn`t going to be
another "white water" type coverage? That there might be even one network
out there that would never let this go and then...

HELDMAN: Well, that`s a...

SCHULTZ: And then Trey Gowdy`s trying to make a name for himself. I mean,
who says this is going to go away anytime soon just because the way Hillary
talks about it?

HELDMAN: Well, Ed, I don`t think going to go away. In fact, I think that
the Fox News network will keep it alive. Trey Gowdy will keep it alive.

But the fact is only one in five Americans are following this. They
understand the basics that no laws were broken, no ethical violation here
and so, will they continue to fan this flame? Sure. But it won`t be
effective because it hasn`t been effective so far. And so, if it`s not
effective when it first comes out, you know, dragging it on and on like a
Benghazi Committee has been doing looking for the smoking gun. You know,
it`s not going to an effective tactic and I would agree with Bob that she`s
not going to spend a lot of time on this, because she did nothing wrong.

STEELE: Good luck with that.

SCHULTZ: But, Michael, you guys got to keep this alive as long as you can
aren`t you?

STEELE: No. Look, Ed...

SCHULTZ: You got just (ph) the people to do it.

STEELE: No. No. No, we don`t need to because there will be more goodies
that Hillary will give us along the way. And I quite frankly to be honest
with you, you know, as a fact (ph) to that matter, this is nothing and this
is actually a waste of airtime and a waste of conversation. As a political
matter, yeah, it`s good (inaudible). But I think substantively, there`s
enough for Republicans to talk about Hillary`s legacy and the initiatives
that she`s back and the program that she`s supported, and what she wants to
do as president that will be an engaging conversation in and out of itself.
All I`m just saying is...

SCHULTZ: Well, now it would take...

STEELE: ... with political noise out of the away.

SCHULTZ: How can subpoenas and two more appearances in front of a Benghazi
Committee be a waste of airtime? I mean, this is part of bedding process,
Bob Shrum.

I mean...

SHRUM: Well...

SCHULTZ: ... the Republicans` better be right on this, that mean the
Republicans are setting themselves up. If they don`t find anything, this
is going to hurt them all the way down to ticket isn`t it?

SHRUM: Well, this happens over and over again. The Clinton`s enemies, the
Clinton`s critics were over react and they create sympathy. There`s a
backlash and I don`t think the Benghazi Committees going to get anywhere.
They`re going to keep talking about it, I don`t think they`re going to get
anywhere. They`re going to satisfy their base, they`re going to satisfy
Fox News, their not going to hurt her.

And I think Michael is entirely wrong, because when this campaign gets the
issues and we start talking about education, we start talking about
investing in the future. We start talking about standing up for the
middle-class. She`s going to be in a very strong position especially with
the Republican Party that continually, willfully and recklessly alienate
Hispanic voters.

There`s a leading Hispanic polls the other day who said Hillary Clinton
could get over 80 percent of the Hispanic vote. If she does that, there is
no way a Republican can win the election.

SCHULTZ: All right.

STEELE: Well, that would, or could, or should and let see what happens
once this starts.

SCHULTZ: All right. Gentlemen and Caroline Heldman, great to have with us
tonight, I appreciate your time. Thank so much.

Remember to answer tonight`s...

STEELE: Thank you, Ed.

SCHULTZ: ... question there at the bottom of the screen. We appreciate
your comments on Twitter @edshow, thanks for the follow, on Facebook as
well. You can get my video podcast at

Coming up, President Obama doesn`t mean his words about the Republican
letter to Iran. Plus, we have breaking news. The military chopper that
went down off the coast of Florida is being pulled out of the water right
now, details ahead.

Stay with us, we`ll be right back on the Ed Show.


SCHULTZ: And we are back.

Republicans have taken a lot of hit for their open letter to Iran.
President Obama is taking them the task in a new interview with Vice News.


OBAMA: I`m embarrassed for them. For them to address a letter to the
ayatollah who they claim as our mortal enemy and their basic argument to
them is, don`t deal with our President, because you can`t trust him to
follow through on an agreement. That`s close to unprecedented.


SCHULTZ: The excuses Republicans are making are equally embarrassing.

The GOP has tried deflecting the blame onto the President of the United
States. Senator Rand Paul claimed, he signed the letter because he wanted
to strengthen the President`s hand?

Now, John McCain is trying to blame it all on the weather. Senator "Bomb,
bomb, bomb Iran" told Politico that the process was rush because "Everybody
was looking forward to get out of town because of the snow storm." He went
on to say that "I think we probably should have had more discussion about
it given the blowback that there is."

You mean the Republicans act before they think or think before they act?
Which is it?

I had no idea that weather had such an impact on such penetrating letters
to other countries.

Meanwhile, the Tom Cotton circus made a stop in Cuba today with an
appearance from Iowa Senator Joni Ernst.

The ring leader of the Iran mess spent the day touring the Guantanamo Bay
detention facility with a -- few of his fellow freshmen Republican

Joining me tonight, Joe Cirincione, President of Ploughshares Fund and also
Laicie Heeley of the Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation. Great
to have both of you with us.


SCHULTZ: Joe, you first. Now, Secretary Kerry is going to go face to face
with negotiators on Sunday for the first time since this letter by the 47
senators was signed. What it`s going to be like, what impact is it going
to have?

I mean I would assume that the Iranians didn`t fall out of bed last week.
They kind to have a pretty good idea of how our government works and who
has the authority and who doesn`t, but what kind of impact might this have?

CIRINCIONE: The Iranians understand us very well. Mr. Zarif, the Foreign
Minister, got his graduate degree from the University of Denver. In fact,
there are more American PhDs in the Iranian cabinet than there are in the
Obama cabinet. So they understand this.

The Cotton letter will make things a little more difficult for the United
States. It`s pretty clear that this place into the hands of the hard-
liners in Iran saying, "See, you can`t trust this people. You can`t make a
deal with them." But the fallout from this Cotton letter has been so
catastrophic for the Senate Republicans, has been so scathing whether it`s
on late night T.V. or the editorial pages of most American newspapers that
it really freeze Obama.

He now has less to worry about Congressional interference. They`ve been
effectively sideline. We are now in the end game. The next 10 to 15 days
will decide whether we get this deal or not.

SCHULTZ: OK. From the standpoint of negotiating, Joe, I mean obviously,
the Iranians are going to say, "How do we know we can trust you? How do we
know who we`re talking to? You have to convince us that everything we`ve
talked about so far is the real deal." I mean, that`s really what they`re
going to put on the table, isn`t it?

CIRINCIONE: Yes, it is. And so that`s probably raise the cost for us
little bit. I would expect the Iranians are going to demand more sanctions
relief, a little faster, a little more upfront. But the President can do

And what the President`s team will be doing is walking them through what
the sequencing and pacing of these sanctions relief will be, as we also
discuss the requirements that they will have to allow inspections
everywhere to reduce and rollback their program.

SCHULTZ: Laicie, what do you make of these rollback efforts? You got
Lindsey Graham out there saying, we`ll he signed it because of the veto
threat by the President when it came to sanctions? I mean I think the
President has been very clear along that "Look, don`t do anymore sanctions.
Give this as a chance to work." And he`s even had to say that to members
of his own party.

But now we`re seeing excuse, this is why they signed it. Well, we got the
weather and even Rand Paul saying, "Well gosh, I`m trying to help the
President out of here". I mean, come on. So what do you make of this

it`s clear that this is an effort that was put together on a rush. It was
signed in rush.

Even Michael Gerson, -- President George W. Bush speech writer, the
columnist for the Washington Post. He called this an effort that was put
together with all the gravity of a blog posts, and that it`s something that
should force us to question the GOP`s ability to lead.

This is really an effort that was a very, very, very serious -- takes on a
very serious issue and it could have threatened the negotiations and it was
put together, as you`ve said, while everyone was getting ready to live for
a snow storm. This is something that we should be concern...


HEELEY: ... about, if this is the way that the GOP does connects their

SCHULTZ: So, Laicie, what would more sanctions do if the Republicans got
their way? Well, that`s just kill the deal across the broad, would it
pushed the Iranians to negotiate harder?

HEELEY: So, ultimately, the problem with the Republican clan is that,
there is no plan. When you ask what happens next, well they say more
sanctions potentially covered action. But what we`ve seen is that Iran
built its current program under sanctions.

Iran went from 100 to 20,000 centrifuges under sanctions. All that Iran is
going to do if we put them under more sanctions, is to not capitulate.

Iran is going to react by deciding particularly enlighten weathers like
this but they can`t deal with the United States. They can`t trust the
United States. And that ultimately, they`re going to have to go the
nuclear weapon in order to be taken seriously on the world stage and in
order to have a means of protection if the last and next step is war.

SCHULTZ: Yeah. Joe, what about Netanyahu? I mean, he`s stocks (ph) seems
to be sleeping quite a bit. He seems to be more in trouble than he ever
was when it comes to this election in his favorability in the United
States. I mean, that speech didn`t him any good.

So has this been a looser week for the Republicans? And they just -- in
fact, when Cotton was on T.V., he didn`t talk about his party or what their
mission was, he talked about Netanyahu as if he`s taking his lead from him.

CIRINCIONE: Yeah. That`s right. Well look, for Senator Tom Cotton, I
mean, personally, this is probably been a good week for him. Everybody
knows his name.

The bad news is, he`s usually the punch line to a joke. Whether it`s being
excoriated on late night T.V. or blasted in the editorial pages. He is now
toxic and you see out there, even his own party distancing themselves from

The party itself has had disastrous two weeks. Rarely do you see a party
shoot itself in the foot three times in a row. The Bibi stunt backfired on
them, who trying to rush the Corker bill that would kill the deal to the
floor of the Senate. We peeled (ph) at the Democratic supporters in that
deal, that deal has been sidelined and now the Cotton to buckle.

So it`s been a very bad week for the GOP. Their only hope of recovering
from this is to try to let people forget about this to lay quiet for a
while and then try to regroup for a fight over the deal itself when it
comes sometime at the end of this month.

SCHULTZ: All right. Joe Cirincione, Laicie Heeley, great to have you with
us tonight. Thanks so much.

HEELEY: Thank you, Ed.

SCHULTZ: Coming up, new developments out of Ferguson, Missouri. Plus, a
super fan meltdown on the two-minute drill. Coming up, I got some
questions coming my way on Ask Ed Live.

Stay with us. We`ll be right back on the Ed Show.


SCHULTZ: And more news at this hour. We are following breaking news out
of Florida.

You are looking live at wreckage from the military helicopter training
accident being salvage from the water off the coast of Florida.

The UH-60 Black Hawk chopper was reported missing around 8:30 p.m. Tuesday
evening near the Elgin Air Force Base. 11 military service members are
presumed dead.

A drop in oil prices is shaking the drilling job landscape.

U.S. crude oil prices fell to a six-week low Thursday and the dip is
impacting production. The number of oil-drilling rigs in North Dakota for
instance, has fallen to its lowest level in six years. State official say
an estimated 3,000 to 4,000 jobs have been lost.

Texas, the nation`s number one oil producer, has seen 40 percent decline
according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration.

And of course, we love hearing from our viewers tonight in our Ask Ed Live

Our question is from Dennis, and Dennis wants to know, "Do you ever think
about doing a fishing show?"

Dennis, not every other day that would be everyday.

Stick around, Rapid Response Panel is next.

I might someday, you never know.


Stocks end the week lower pressured by strength in the dollar. The Dow
slides 145 points, the S&P is off 12, the NASDAQ sheds 21.

The latest read of producer prices shows inflation remains in check. The
producer price index fell 0.5 percent slipping for a fourth straight month.
Investors are watching inflation to figures closely ahead on the fed`s (ph)
meeting next week.

And consumer sentiment decline this month due to a rebound in gas prices
and hitting (ph) cost.

That`s it from CNBC, first in business worldwide.


SCHULTZ: And we are back.

There is a $3,000 reward being offered in Ferguson, Missouri.

Lawmakers are looking for anyone involved in the shooting of the two police
officers early Thursday morning.

Police say they have strong leads but no suspects. Three people were
questioned on Thursday and released shortly after. The two officers who
were shot are recovering at home.

Overnight, a smaller crowd, held a rally outside the Police Department.
President Obama reacted to the shooting during an appearance on Jimmy
Kimmel Live last night.


OBAMA: Well, we have to make sure this is that -- the folks who disregard
and disrespect the other side, people who resort to violence, that they`re

JIMMY KIMMEL, "JIMMY KIMMEL LIVE" HOST: They set us all back. They do.

OBAMA: They do. And then -- but they`re not the majority.


SCHULTZ: There were peaceful protests last night. There were no
shootings, there were no arrest.

Joining me tonight on our Rapid Response Panel, Zerlina Maxwell,
Contributor for ESSENCE, also with us Dr. Michael Eric Dyson, MSNBC
Political Analyst and Professor at Georgetown University.

I want to start with this. Earlier today, St. Louis Police Lieutenant
reacted to this shooting. Here it is.


LT. JERRY LOHR, ST. LOUIS POLICE: This is a fresh wound. This is
something that has just happened within (ph) -- it`s not even 12 months.
You know, the decision was in November. You know, the Department of
Justice report was released last week.

Again, so, this is -- it`s a wound that`s going to take time to heal,
although I think that as a community, we can come together and accomplish


SCHULTZ: So how were people on the ground responding? MSNBC`s Craig
Melvin spoke to residents of Ferguson last night.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The end game is to continue. Continue to fight until
we have a system that is going to be equal to everyone

MELVIN: We had three top officials step down over the past week or so in
this area, is that not enough?



SCHULTZ: Zerlina, what`s the cure? Are we on a new path now for Ferguson?
What`s your sense of it?

ZERLINA MAXWELL, CONTRIBUTOR FOR ESSENCE: I think the first step in terms
of starting that new path is to honestly confront on the institutional
races under the Ferguson report showed and that the protesters have been
saying over and over and over again for the past seven months. And the
reports served as proof and evidence of what their gripes were with the
Ferguson Police Department.

And I think that often times, especially when you have people in the
streets and you have some -- minority of those folks being violent or, you
know, causing a ruckus, and in this particular case with this shooting, we
actually do not know anything about the shooter.

So to say that it has something to do with the peaceful protesters, I think
is a little bit misleading generally. But I think that we have to focus on
these substantive issues that the protesters are bringing to light, that
the Department of Justice report showed are true.

And we have to start confronting racism and implicit bias that maybe in the
Police Departments -- not just in Ferguson but all throughout the country.

SCHULTZ: Dr. Dyson, do you feel like Ferguson started to turn the corner?

turn in the corner but people of mistake the turning of the corner for
achieving the entire scope of what Ms. Maxwell was just referred to.

We`re turning a corner but we got to understand that this is just the
beginning of the entire block which is in a neighborhood which is in a
city, which is in a nation.

So yeah, turning the corner but there is a lot more work to be done, Ed.
Ms. Maxwell talked about the fact that the Justice Department made a report
that is pretty damning. And the President said as Ms. Maxwell said, look
people are not making this up. This is not illusionary. You know, people
accuse black people and others of their allies, you`re just kind of
generating the stuff out of a whole cloth but it`s not.

So when we address systemic racism, when we address systematic inequality,
when we address the fact that people have to stand up and assert their own
political right to exist at the post and in the streets then, we begun to
see the substance of change we`re speaking about, and then when the entire
community begins to embrace that change not just to seeing these people as
interlopers or others of their allies is somehow intervening on a process
that they are not likely to be welcomed to. When we begin to see, this is
part of our destiny as American citizens then...


DYSON: ... something to change going to occur.



SCHULTZ: Not that this gentlemen has any credibility at all but Rudy
Giuliani does get a lot of attention. He says he wants President Obama and
he needs him to act more like Bill Cosby.

Dr. Dyson, what`s reaction to this kind of rhetoric?

DYSON: Well I guess, Mr. Giuliani thinks that Mr. Cosby being a committee
is not enough, so he wants to tell jokes as well.

Look, it is unfortunate at this particular point in Mr. Cosby`s career that
Mr. Giuliani would point to him as an example of what must be done. But
number two, where have you been?

Obama has been on his Bill Cosby like podium from the very beginning. When
he speech before the church in Chicago, where he told black men to step up
to the plate. At Morehouse College, at the celebration of the 50th
anniversary of the March l in Washington, now I happen to disagree with
this particular interventions but the point is, that they have been made
and in the very similar position, in similar position that Rudy Giuliani is
adopted and Bill Cosby asserted Mr. Obama, President Obama, did the same
thing. So I think he`s been asleep on him.

SCHULTZ: Zerlina, isn`t Ferguson, Missouri now trying to develop a new
model? I mean, with what is unfolded in that community, the national
attention that it`s gotten, the attention from the Justice Department, this
report. And then a city manager is stepping down, then a police chief
stepping down, I mean, are we looking for a model here had a turn
communities around, what do we go by?

MAXWELL: Well, I think that the White House (ph) task force that actually
went to -- not only just Ferguson and St. Luis -- at the St. Luis area but
all across the country and not only used activists and experts and the
people who can reform Police Departments. They have a report with
recommendations on how to move forward and that includes not only having
independent investigation into police killing, having a special prosecutors
appointed when you have situations where there is this much internal
corruption within the system, and you have essentially a district attorney
in Ferguson who is tasked with working with the same Police Department that
we`re trying to get him to indict for killing a citizen.


MAXWELL: And so there are embedded inequalities and inequities in the
system that are -- that unfortunately are impacting people of color, in
brown -- and black bodies and that consistency, the fact that, since Mike
Brown died seven months ago, we`ve had merely someone brown or black killed
by a police officer every single day and that that has to end.

We can no longer, you know, use respectability politics or black people
are, you know, abiding by a police instruction quick enough in order to
deserve life.

You deserve life and respect and the police officers are tasked with you
know, serving and protecting the community. And that needs to be where we
start with the community policing at the center of these reforms.

SCHULTZ: Dr. Dyson, a very direct question, what does the black community
in Ferguson have to do now as you see it?

DYSON: First of all, they got to continue to keep pressure up.

Secondly, they must divide by the new revelations of the Justice Department
report and then systematically plan to implement on their part of
substantive things that can change their community.

Thirdly, they got to show up at the polls and vote, because when they begin
to change the complex and the outlook of the elected officials, they are --
they begin to take their destinies into their own hands.

And then finally, begin to reach out and mentor some of those young people
who are there. Some of those young leaders who are doing tremendous things
must be embraced and celebrated...


DYSON: And if the entire community stands behind them, it will be an
extraordinary thing.

SCHULTZ: Zerlina Maxwell, Dr. Michael Eric Dyson, great to have you with
us tonight. Thanks so much for joining us.

DYSON: Always great to be with you.

MAXWELL: Thanks, Ed.

SCHULTZ: Coming up, saving Social Security, it`s a mission. Senator
Bernie Sanders is definitely on it and he`s got some help.

Stay with us. We`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: All right. Here we go. Two-minute drill -- holy smokes, we got
Jimmy Graham fever.

Now this week, the Seahawks traded the Saints a first round draft pick and
center Max Unger for superstar tight end Jimmy Graham, and one seven-year-
old New Orleans Saints fan, he just can`t believe this happen.

LEXIA WOODS, JIMMY GRAHAM FAN: Wherever is Jimmy Graham goes is where I
go. He`s just not smart of (inaudible) to let Jim Graham over there. He
is really good player and I like him and I wanted to say no to Saints

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What would you tell to Jimmy Graham right now if you

WOODS: That you can go to Seattle.


SCHULTZ: Well, it looks to me like the Seahawks have just got a new 12
person and a new fan.

Selection Sunday is coming up this Sunday. NCAA this weekend will choose
the standings with the 68 teams headed to dance (ph).

This year`s college basketball tournament, Kentucky, Wisconsin, Duke and
Virginia are favor to be in the final four.

There was an unexpected face on the baseball field on Thursday. Will
Ferrell played friezes of baseball in Arizona.

Throughout the day, Ferrell played for 10 teams in five games. Ferrrell
actually pitch for the Dodgers and ended his career with a zero ERA.

All this was part of the HBO special first comedy website "Funny or Die"
and it was funny.

And there`s much more coming up. Stay with us, we`ll be right back on the
Ed show.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed show.

This is the story for the folks who take a shower after work. There are
new attacks coming on Social Security.

Republicans want to weaken the system so they can just gut (ph) it.

A new bill has framework to fortify the system Americans paid into and
depend on. The Social Security Expansion Act would solidify benefits for
45 years.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let me be clear, you are entitled to nothing.

SCHULTZ: Don`t let Social Security a work of fiction.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ll need to re-think Social Security.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do we want a crater on the (ph) great welfare state?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We can`t maintain the welfare of state as we know it.

SANDERS: When people tell you Social Security is going broke, you look
them in the eye and you tell them, they`re not telling you the truth.

SCHULTZ: Senator Bernie Sanders has a new bill to strengthen Social

SANDERS: More than 1.1 trillion has been targeted by the wealthiest people
in this country instead of going into the Social Security trust office.

SEN. TED CRUZ, (R) TEXAS: Current people pay into it...


CRUZ: ... we would take the money and we would pay it out other
recipients. That`s the definition of a ponzi scheme.

SANDERS: You don`t cut those benefits, you expand those benefits.

SCHULTZ: Two million Americans signed a petition to back him up.

SANDERS: Because inequality has reduced the Social Security trust fund.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We got Medicare and Social Security design to fail or
be dramatically reduced in about 15 years.

SANDERS: Some of my Republican colleagues want to cut Social Security

SCHULTZ: Republican passed a rule which triples the reallocation of Social
Security payroll tax revenue.

SANDERS: There`s a great nation that is not what we should be doing to
some of the most vulnerable people in this country.


SCHULTZ: Joining me tonight Senator Bernie Sanders. Senator, good to have
you with us tonight.

Senator, I want you tell us about testimony that you heard on the hill this
week from someone who I think is pretty much out of touch and very wealthy,
what does you hear?

SANDERS: Well, former Governor of Michigan, John Engler, came before the
Budget Committee, representing the business round table. And what we
discovered, the business round table consists of CEO`s of the largest
corporations in America. It turns out that the retirement benefits that
they will receive are about $88,000 a month, over a million dollars a year
in retirement benefits. And the business round table, Corporate America,
came before the committee and said, "You know what? You should cut Social
Security for people who are trying to survive on $14,000 a year." And I
told them that is advice that I, certainly, I`m not going to take.

SCHULTZ: So the business round table -- why would someone that wealthy, of
that position want to mettle (ph) into Social Security program that is has
been so successful?

SANDERS: Well, I think it is part of the corporate class welfare against
working families and elderly (ph). And what they want to do essentially,
and that`s what they said at the hearing, they want to cut Social Security,
they want to cut Medicare, and surprise of all surprise they want to reduce
taxes for the wealthiest people in this country and the largest
cooperation`s. That is their agenda.

SCHULTZ: We have seen this movie before, now what is your bill going to
do? Is this going to remove the cap for wealthy or Americans to -- they
give the program more solvency in the out-years? Tell us about it.

SANDERS: Yeah. The answer is yes. But what we should all understand, if
Congress does nothing and Congress in my view is got to act to that
quickly, Social Security which has $2.8 trillion surplus in the trust fund
can pay out every benefit owe to every eligible American for the next 18

What my legislation would do is to two things. Number one, it would extend
make Social Security solvent until the year 2060, 45 years from now.
Second of all, it would expand benefits by about $65 per month for most

The other thing that I would do, Ed, is change the formulation as to how we
adjust COLAS. Because right now, I think the way we do it is unfair to
seniors and underestimate inflation for what seniors purchase.

SCHULTZ: You anticipate this being a hot issue in 2016? I mean, are they
that adamant about getting this done?

SANDERS: Well, I tell you. All I can tell you is that, in three out of
the four hearings that we have had on the budget committee, the Republicans
have brought forth witnesses when one way or another are talking about
cutting Social Security.

The Koch brothers who as you know fund a lot of the Republican Party from
way back when...


SANDERS: ... our adamant that the federal government should not be involve
in retirement benefits that Social Security should be privatize.

SCHULTZ: All right. Senator Bernie Sanders always great to have you with
us, I appreciate your time tonight. Keep up the good fight. Reverend Al
and "Politics Nation" are next.


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